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A
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
can
I
welcome
you
to
the
strategy
board
environment,
housing
and
communities
15th
of
october?
Hopefully
you
find
this
morning's
agenda,
something
that
you
can
find
to
your
liking.
What
we
are
doing
with
doing
this
meeting
remotely.
A
A
The
only
other
thing
is,
if
you
do
want
to
speak,
if
you
just
use
the
hands
symbol,
the
raise
hand
button
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
I'll
then
be
able
to
pick
up,
but
I
will
ask
at
various
times
if
anybody
wants
to
speak,
if
that's
not
working
for
any
reason
at
all
now
in
terms
of
the
technicalities,
if
I
cannot
establish
a
connection,
we
need
to
appoint
a
deputy
chair
and
in
the
past,
we've
had
councillor
graham
cheering
it.
A
If
I
cannot
get
back
in
again
and
then,
if
councillor
graham,
was
to
fall
out
for
any
reason
at
all,
councillor
gruen
would
then
take
over.
So
I
don't
see
anybody
dissenting
from
that.
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
do
so,
what
I'm
going
to
do,
first
of
all,
is
get
everybody
to
introduce
themselves
now,
just
at
this
stage
the
counselors,
I
will
then
get
the
participants
and
the
officers
to
introduce
themselves
as
and
when
so,
if
we
can
go
through
I'll,
do
it
in
alphabetical
order,
council.
B
A
A
G
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
in
terms
of
the
minutes
item
six
everybody
happy
with
those
minutes.
If
anybody
wants
to
shout
out
if
they're
not
happy
so
we'll
assume
that
that
is
all
correct.
So
as
I
because
of
the
ongoing
situation
with
coronavirus,
a
gold
meeting
has
been
called
just
now,
which
means
that
james
rogers
and
neil
evans
cannot
currently
make
the
meeting
at
this
point.
They
would
hope
to
be
able
to
come
in
round
about
11
o'clock.
A
H
Thanks
chair
council
matthew,
robinson
from
the
harewood
ward,
I
originally
brought
the
request
for
scrutiny
on
this
item.
Thank
you.
Councillor
cooper.
I
Good
morning,
everybody
paul
money
chief
officer
for
safer,
leads
the
community
safety
partnership
in
the
city.
D
Yes,
harvey
sandby,
head
of
operational
delivery,
safe
leads.
A
Okay,
okay
right,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we've
got
the
reports
in
front
of
us,
but
I'm
going
to
invite
harvey
and
mr
money
to
outline
the
important
points
they
want
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
board.
I
will
then
invite
council
robinson
to
say
anything.
He
would
like
to
add
to
what's
already
been
said.
A
I
Thank
you,
councillor
anderson.
Firstly,
if
I
can
say
that,
I'm
I'm
grateful
to
the
support
that
we've
received
from
our
colleagues
in
in
public
health.
I
The
safer
leads
anti-social
behaviour
team,
our
colleagues
in
trading
standards
and
west
yorkshire
police
in
terms
of
the
the
detail
that
I'm
now
going
to
take
the
opportunity
to
to
to
to
talk
you
through.
So
hopefully,
you've
got
a
copy
of
the
relevant
report
as
part
of
your
scrutiny
board
pack,
so
I'll
just
go
through
some
key
highlights.
I
If,
if
I
may
start
at
2.1,
which
details
the
fact
that
we
have
received
a
number
of
complaints
and
those
complaints
around
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide
in
the
city
have
have
increased,
although
it
looks
like
we
may
be
tracking
some
seasonal
trends
in
terms
of
complaints
around
nitrous
oxide,
so
the
the
peak
that
we
saw
in
the
summer
months
is
starting
now
to
dissipate
slightly
we'll
come
on
to
more
detail
around
that
further
in
the
report.
I
The
other
issue
in
terms
of
usage
is
that
it
has
been
quite
difficult
to
determine
whether
we've
got
that
increased
use
say
this
year
compared
to
last
year
or
whether
what
we've
got
is
is
is
an
issue
that's
taking
place
in
a
more
visible
setting
due
to
the
current
coronavirus,
temporary
closures
of
venues
and
events.
Where
we
know
from
our
intelligence.
We
see
this
kind
of
usage
taking
place.
I
Okay
in
terms
of
2.3
just
talks
there
about
nitrous
oxide
and
the
impact
that
this
has
on
an
individual,
particularly
an
individual
who
chooses
to
inhale
this
particular
gas.
It
slows
down
the
brain
and
the
body's
responses
and
the
effects
of
the
the
gas
depending
to
some
degree
and
how
much
has
been
inhaled
can
cause
feelings
of
euphoria,
relaxation,
calmness
laughter
as
well
as
sound
distortion
and
in
some
instances,
with
reports
of
hallucinations.
I
Although
nitrous
oxide
is
not
physically
addictive.
Our
colleagues
in
public
health
do
advise
that
it
is
possible
to
become
at
least
psychologically
dependent
upon
nitrous
oxide,
meaning
in
some
instances
that
those
who
use
it
can
develop
an
increased
use.
I
But,
unlike
a
number
of
other
substances,
not
not
addictive
in
that,
in
that
sense,
in
terms
of
the
legislation
there
are
various
pieces
of
legislation
relevant
to
nitrous
oxide,
3.2
details
the
criminal
offences
and,
as
you
can
see
there,
it's
an
offence
to
produce
psychoactive
substances,
it's
an
offence
to
possess
a
psychoactive
substance,
but
only
with
intent
to
supply
it's
an
offence
to
supply
and
offer
to
supply,
and
there
are
other
offences
in
terms
of
the
importation
and
aggravated
offenses
where
essentially,
what's
taking
place,
is
involving
children
terms
of
the
current
trends
in
leeds
at
section
four,
the
most
common
trend
we
see
are
reports
of
groups
of
of
tends
to
be
younger
people.
I
It
does
tend
to
be
males,
but
not
wholly
exclusively
in
vehicles,
parts
of
various
different
locations,
inhaling
the
canisters
from
from
balloons,
which
is
typically
how
how
the
substance
is
is
inhaled.
I
We
have
had
issues
in
house
parties
and
also,
I
call
them
unofficial
raves.
I
think
I
think
members
will
will
understand
what
I
mean
there,
but
unauthorized
gatherings
that
we've
seen
through
the
summer
months.
I
The
current
intelligence
around
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide
is
is
essentially
is
is
coming
to
us
in
a
number
of
different
forms.
West
yorkshire
police
do
not
currently
record
the
use
and
incidents
they
deal
with
around
psychoactive
substances
in
a
standard
manner.
I
They
have
a
number
of
ways
of
categorizing
their
incidents,
but
we
we
are
able
to
distill
from
their
calls
for
service
the
number
of
incidents
and
the
types
of
incidents
we're
dealing
with,
and
the
number
of
incidents
tends
to
be
higher
in
inner-city
wards
and
again,
it's
more
to
do
with
those
vehicles.
Parts
of
those
car
meets
those
vehicles
parked
up
that
colleagues
have
seen
in
their
particular
awards
in
terms
of
the
volumes
you
can
hopefully
see
at
5.4.
I
What
I
think
I
was
starting
to
allude
to
in
terms
of
maybe
a
seasonal
trend
issue
that's
been
picked
up,
certainly
in
terms
of
recorded
and
reported
incidents.
You
can
see
that
the
numbers
are
beginning
to
come
back
down
again
from
the
peak
there
in.
I
think
the
peak
for
us
was
may
and
june,
but
that's
maybe
of
of
interest
to
members.
There's
also
some
analysis
there
of
the
npt
areas.
Colleagues
will
be
familiar
with
this,
but
for
those
that
are
not,
those
are
the
neighborhood
policing.
I
Team
areas
and
city
refers
to
the
city
center
in
in
terms
of
a
geography
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
about
tackling
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide.
With
regards
to
enforcement,
at
least
we
have
our
disposals
have
already
said:
criminal
and
civil
legal
remedies
to
control
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide
and
they're
available
to
us
and
to
other
authorities.
I
The
police
have
powers
to
address
the
unlawful
supply
and
production
of
nitrous
oxide
and
local
authorities
typically
can
use
the
raft
of
social,
anti-social,
behavior
legislation
that
I
know
most
people
recognize
to
address
the
issue,
including,
if
necessary,
the
use
of
pspos
and
other
court
orders.
The
use
of
these
powers,
civil
and
legal,
complement,
ongoing
national
and
local
harm
reduction.
I
I
Unlike
the
misuse
of
controlled
drugs,
as
defined
most
typically
in
the
misuse
of
drugs
acts
1971,
there
is
little
evidence
that
we're
picking
up
nationally
and
internationally
that
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide
is
linked
to
other
other
crime
types
in
the
way
that
maybe
some
other
class
a
drugs
that
colleagues
will
be
familiar
with.
I
Certainly
does
our
colleagues
in
trading
standards
are
not
currently
aware
in
leeds,
at
least
of
any
leeds-based
businesses,
retailing,
nitrous
oxide
capsules
to
members
of
the
public
for
for
for
for
use
in
an
inappropriate
way
and
the
main
the
main
supply
route
seems
to
be
through
networks
of
individuals
face
to
face
and
using
internet-based
suppliers,
with
a
particular
link
around
facebook
and
and
amazon.
Of
course,
the
capsules
the
nitrous
oxide
capsules
are
are
legally
available
for
for
use
in
business.
I
We
do
also
see
over
above
the
the
public
health
issue.
We
do
also
see
a
significant
issue
in
terms
of
littering
in
our
communities
and
our
street
cleansing
teams
are
reporting
the
the
collection,
if
you
will,
of
discarded
canisters
from
estates,
parks
and
streets,
and
we
use
that
in
terms
of
intelligence,
to
inform
where,
for
instance,
we
might
look
to
direct
our
neighborhood
policing
team
patrol
colleagues
to
to
operate
the
preventative
information.
I
Discouraging
the
use
of
such
substances
is
also
extended
through
work
that
we
do,
particularly
with
parents
and
children
and
and
most
recently
in
school
and
educational
settings.
And
again
it's
about
it's
about
just
just
raising
awareness.
As
many
colleagues
will
be
aware,
we
do
benefit
from
a
fairly
significant,
safer
schools,
police
officer
footprint
in
our
educational
establishments
and
in
our
colleges
and
universities,
and-
and
this
is
very
much
a
topic
that
is,
that
is
progressed
in
those
settings
with
young
people.
I
I
Due
to
the
current
situation
that
we're
in
in
terms
of
social
distancing,
our
campaign
is
being
undertaken
predominantly
online.
If
I
can
just
move
to
maybe
some
key
issues
around
conclusions
now.
So
I
appreciate
there's
a
jump
there,
but
hopefully
colleagues
have
had
the
opportunity
to
read
the
kind
of
sections
in
between.
If
I
can
take
you
to
section
14
in
the
report
and
just
just
try
to
distill
out
some
some
key
themes
from
the
work
that
we've
done.
I
I
I
think
it
is
important
to
say,
though,
that
nitrous
oxide
is
not
known
to
have
any
significant
short,
medium
or
long
term
adverse
effects,
certainly
in
terms
of
the
engagement
they've
done
with
our
public
health
colleagues-
and
there
doesn't
appear
to
be
any
evidence
of
any
significance
about
people
being
at
significant
risk
of
becoming
dependent
upon
it
due
to
that
non-addictive
status.
I
It
could
it
could
be
argued
by
many
that
the
current
legal
status
of
nitrous
oxide
and
its
ease
of
purchase
may
in
some
respects,
be
quite
important
factors
with
regards
to
contributing
to
any
recent
perceived
increase
in
its
use.
I
Obviously,
members
can
confirm
their
own
view
on
that,
and
I
I
I
think
it
is
likely
that
the
visible
use
in
public
spaces
is
likely
to
be
exacerbated
as
a
consequence
of
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
touched
on
there
with
regards
to
the
pandemic
and
and
the
impact
that
that
has
had
the
government
advisory
body,
as
you
can
see
at
14.3
appears,
at
least
so
far,
to
assess
the
harmfulness
of
nitrous
oxide
as
not
not
warranty,
control
under
the
misuse
of
drugs
act
that
I've
already
referred
to.
I
Over
and
above
what
we've
already
got,
and
so
with
this
in
mind,
it
does
seem
to
me
at
least
that
there
appear
to
be
options
that
we
can
potentially
explore
taking
this
piece
of
work
forward,
but
in
particular
a
review
of
the
legislation
which
could
be
argued
as
warranted
and
opportunities
to
work
with
government
industry,
retailers
to
better
understand
and
maybe
give
us
a
better
opportunity
to
disrupt
the
supply
chains
at
source
as
a
part
of
a
of
an
overactive,
problem-solving
approach.
I
I'll
I'll.
Just
conclude,
council
honestly,
if
I'm
there
by
saying
that,
I
obviously
do
recognize
that
this
is
a
significant
issue
for
for
local
communities
and
members,
and
and
we
are
tackling
this
issue
and
the
issues
as
they
arise
predominantly
using
our
local
ward
based
partnership
footprint
using
the
legislation,
both
criminal
and
civil,
as
appropriate
in
the
in
in
the
circumstances,
and
I
think
our
our
ambition
will
be
to
ensure
we
have
an
equitable
balance
around
doing
work.
I
A
Fine
thank
you
before
I
invite
council
robinson
to
come
in
casa
bentley.
For
the
sake
of
completeness,
can
you
introduce
yourself
so
that
the
public
are
aware
who
you
are.
B
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
jonathan
bentley
councillor
for
wheatwood,
and
my
apologies
for
my
late
arrival.
I
normally
blame
the
traffic,
but
I
can't
on
this
occasion,
but
I
do
apologize.
J
B
It
being
late
to
my
to
my
desk.
A
A
Having
difficulty
but
we'll
come
back
if
we
need
to
bring
claire
and
we'll
get
her
to
introduce,
introduce
ourselves
so
matthew,
do
you
want
to
give
us
your
reaction
to
what's
been
said?
As
you
were,
the
originator
of
the
request.
H
Thank
you
chair,
yes,
and
I
I
share
with
paul
the
welcome
input
from
all
the
different
agencies
involved,
including
trading
standards,
and
it's
really
excellent
to
see
them
all
working
together
and
coming
together
to
report
back
on
this
and
recognizing
that
there
is
an
issue
here
and
that
it's
a
multi-agency
approach.
That's
required
to
tackle
this
going
forward
some
thoughts
on
on.
What's
in
the
report
paul
mentioned
there
about
there
not
been
a
record
of
leeds
businesses
who
have
been
involved
in
selling
this
illegitimately.
H
We
might
say
if
there's
anything
from
trading
standards
about
non-leads
businesses,
because
we
know
that
crime
in
west
yorkshire
doesn't
obey
local
authority
boundaries
just
because
something
is
is
sold
in
bradford
or
wakefield
means
it
can
set
up
in
leeds
and
vice
versa.
So
I'd
be
interested
in
that
the
there
were.
It
was
mentioned
about
information
sharing
between
the
cleansing
and
safer
leads
team,
and
again
I'm
assuming.
There
is
a
commitment
to
ongoing
reporting
of
this,
and
perhaps
it
comes
back
to
the
executive
board
in
a
year's
time.
H
So
we
can
see
what
the
trends
look
like
another
area
of
concern
and
again
I
appreciate
this
might
not
be
paul.
It
might
have
to
go
to
our
public
health
colleagues.
It
is
around
support
for
parents
so
how
parents
can
identify
if
their
child
is
engaged
in
this
and
and
what
might
be
involved
or,
if
they're,
seeing
issues
around
school
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
been
talked
about,
school-led
support,
but
what's
coming
for
parents
as
well?
H
Finally,
I
would
just
recognize
that
it
was
commented
at
the
last
scrutiny
board
that
I
attended,
where
I
raised
this
issue,
that
there
are
other
more
serious
drug
offences,
and
I
just
want
to
put
on
record
that
my
my
report
around
nitrous
oxide
isn't
to
denigrate
the
work.
That's
been
done
around
those
other
offenses.
We
know
that
drugs
offenses
went
up
between
april
2019
and
march
2020
that
there
is
in
west
yorkshire.
H
There
is
an
issue
to
be
dealt
with
here
and
I
think
it's
about
a
multi-agency
approaching
bringing
lots
of
people
together,
but
nitrous
oxide
is
clearly
not
just
an
issue
from
the
statistics.
That's
affecting
outer
areas
it's
affecting
the
whole
city
and
I'll
pause,
their
checks,
I'm
sure
there
may
be
questions
and
an
opportunity
to
come
in
later.
A
So,
just
again,
just
coming
back
when
I
invited
claire
to
introduce
yourself
she's
actually
got
a
problem
with
her
mic,
but
claire
smith
is
the
anti-social
behavior
service
delivery
manager
for
safer
leads,
so
opening
that
up
to
questions
from
members,
any
member
want
to
ask
any
questions
or
raise
any
issues.
B
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
came
in
just
at
the
just
at
the
sort
of
conclusion
of
mr
money's
report,
but
I
have
I've
read
the
report,
but
I
just
came
into
the
conclusion
of
paul's
presentation,
so
it
may
have
been.
A
We
seem
to
have
an
issue
with
councillor
bentley's
connection:
can
someone
just
check
it
out?
Okay
and
I'll
pass
over
to
councillor
smith?
In
the
meantime,.
G
Thank
you
chair,
so
so
mine
is
just
a
couple
of
questions
really.
If
I,
if
I
may
firstly,
in
your
report
paul,
you
said
that
trading
standards
weren't
aware
of
anywhere
in
the
city
that
we're
actually
selling
the
canisters
inappropriately,
shall
we
say:
we've
got
two
petrol
stations
in
the
ward
that
we've
reported
on
a
number
of
occasions
to
west
yorkshire
police.
G
So
they
certainly
should
be
aware
of
at
least
those
outlets,
and
the
other
thing
is:
I've
had
a
quite
an
in-depth
conversation
with
a
former
slash,
reformed
drug
addict
and
they've
said
that
whilst
taking
these
canisters
isn't
seen
as
harmful
in
themselves,
they
are
seen
as
an
entry-level
drug
to
you
know
the
more
dangerous
substances
so
really
I
just
wanted
to
and
say
that
and
and
get
your
views
on
that.
Please
thank
you.
G
I
Okay,
yeah,
what
I'll
just
do
I'll,
maybe
just
pick
up
on
councillor
smith's
point
and
also
councillor
robinsons,
just
to
just
to
clarify
a
couple
of
issues.
I
If
I
may,
firstly,
in
terms
of
the
trading
standards
work,
we
we've
not
been
able
to
identify
with
our
colleagues
in
trading
standards,
any
any
businesses
that
are
undertaking
this
type
of
unlawful
activity
impacting
on
us
in
in
leads,
but
I'll
come
back
to
to
that
more
specifically
in
terms
of
council
or
smith's
point
in
a
second,
I
would
say
that
there
that
there
will
continue
to
be
an
absolute
commitment
in
terms
of
local
partnership,
working,
particularly
with
our
colleagues
in
in
street
cleansing
around
ensuring
that
the
intelligence
flow
between
partners
continues
to
improve,
because
whilst
there
is
effective
working
clearly,
we
need
to
keep
focused
on
that
and
not
be
complacent.
I
I
I
I
think
members
can
maybe
play
a
role
in
that
in
terms
of
that
local
partnership
infrastructure
to
to
continually
help
reinforce
that
messaging,
that
there
should
be
join
up
between
enforcement
services
and
our
colleagues
in
street
cleansing.
I'll,
certainly
do
my
bit
on
on
that.
I
I
think
the
point
around
parents
is
a
good
one
that
council
robinson
makes,
and
I
think
there
would
be-
and
is
more
information
available
through
our
public
health
colleagues
about
how
we
are
permeating
that
group,
more
broadly
in
along
the
lines
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
educational
settings.
So
I
can
certainly
provide
some
more
information
on
that
front.
Regards
to
council
of
smith's
points
really
interesting.
I
I'd
be
very
interested
in
the
details,
obviously
of
the
locations
offline,
because
if
we
have
got
some
local
community
intelligence
about
premises
that
are
linked
to
this
type
of
activity,
then
that
local
partnership
structure
is
there
and
can
certainly
take
that
piece
of
work
forward
for
us,
so
very
happy
to
pick
up
offline
with
council
smith.
I
On
that
particular
issue
and
and
again,
I
think
the
the
observation
that
the
use
of
psychological
substances
and
nitrous
oxide
may
be
a
link
to
maybe
a
pathway,
if
you
will
to
the
use
of
more
significant
drugs
is,
is
not
something
that
I'd,
certainly
just
dispute,
particularly
with
regards
to
where
that
information
has
come
from
somebody
with
that
experience.
I
think
that
again
is
is
a.
I
Is
a
conversation
that
we
need
to
take
forward
with
our
colleagues
in
public
health,
in
particular
around
the
awareness
raising
and
ensuring
that
everybody's
aware
of
the
the
obvious
dangers
that
are
associated
with
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide.
In
this
way,.
A
Okay
right,
council
bentley:
do
you
want
to
come
in
again.
B
Can
you
hear
me
now
chair?
Yes,
clearly,
okay,
I
think,
there's
a
fault
on
my
my
microphone
and
headset.
Okay.
Earlier
I
I
read
the
report
and
just
came
in
at
the
end.
B
We
said
it
doesn't
lead
to
addiction,
is
it
any
more
harmful
than
having
a
can
of
beer
or
even
a
cigarette?
I'm
sure
it's
not
as
hard
as
having
a
cigarette,
but
these
are
things
which
young
people
do,
and
would
we
even
be
aware
of
the
problem
if
it
wasn't
for
the
rubbish,
that's
left
the
little
canisters
that
left
so
people
see
those,
and
I
I'm
I'm
failing
to
see
how
this
is
a
big
issue
other
than
having
to
clear
up
some
mess
which
we
we
do,
which
is
an
environmental
issue.
B
It's
the
same
as
youngsters
gathering
green
spaces
on
parks
and
having
some
alcohol
or
smoking
a
crafty
cigarette
as
youngsters
will
do,
and
I'm
I
don't
I
don't
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
downplay
what
council
robertson
is
is
identifying,
but
I,
if
I
and
if
I'm
missing
a
trick
on
it,
please
tell
me,
but
apart
from
the
mess
that
is
left
which
say,
young
people
do.
Is
there
any
evidence
that
it's
actually
causing
anybody
any
harm.
I
Paul
yeah
a
couple
of
thoughts
on
on
on
that,
certainly
certainly
with
regards
to
a
comparison
as
councilor
bentley
just
made
there
with
maybe
alcohol
and
tobacco.
I
I
I
don't
speak
as
a
public
health
expert,
but
I'm
pretty
confident
in
telling
you
that
they
would
say
that
those
two
issues,
alcohol
and
tobacco-
are
significantly
more
harmful
to
to
to
to
people
who
choose
to
to
consume
them
in
whatever,
in
whatever
way
that
nitrous
oxide
ever
is,
and
so
that's
the
first.
I
That's
that
that's
the
first
point
in
terms
of
of
harm.
I
think
in
terms
of
the
use,
though,
certainly
from
a
community
safety
point
of
view.
Over
and
above
the
the
issue
about
the
harm
to
individuals,
I
am
conscious
of
the
impact
of
the
use
of
nitrous
oxide
in
communities
both
from
a
from
an
antisocial
behavior
perspective,
because
often
it
is
associated
with
anti-social
behaviour.
I
Secondly,
in
terms
of
the
perception
that
this
causes
for
local
people
in
their
areas,
so
I
think
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
context,
what
I
would
want
to
reassure
colleagues
about
is
we
we
do
take
this
issue
seriously.
I
I
suppose,
I
suppose
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I
feel
like
in
terms
of
the
local
partnership
arrangements
that
we've
got
in
place
bolted
in
across
the
city,
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
deal
with
this
issue
in
a
proportionate
way,
with
the
results
that
we've
got
and
the
and
the
legislation
that
I've
alluded
to.
I
The
littering
you
know
is
a
significant
issue
on
occasions,
particularly
where
you
have
large
gatherings
and
the
unlawful
rave
type
activity,
and
it
does
come
at
significant
public
expense
clearing
this
lot
up,
so,
I
hope
that's
kind
of
covered
in
as
broadway
as
possible.
The
points
made
by
councillor
councillor
bentley
around
you
know
the
significance
or
otherwise
of
the
issue.
A
B
Come
back,
I
I
think
perhaps
some
of
that
reinforces
my
point
really.
The
gatherings
and
the
litter
and
the
antisocial
behavior
is
not
a
consequence
of
people
taking
nitrous
oxide.
It
is
associated
with
it,
but
it
could
just
be
associated
with
gatherings
and
people
haven't,
have
it
having
having
alcohol
or
or
anything
else.
So
I
I
it's
not
sort
of
a
it's,
not
a
causation
that
you
know.
You
know
the
the
taking
knight
society
doesn't
cause
that
and
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned.
B
I'm
glad
paul
said
a
bit
concerned
that
you
don't
want
to
be
criminalizing
young
people
for
an
activity
which
really
is
just
passing
and
it
doesn't
really
do
a
great
deal
of
harm
that
wouldn't
be
caused
other.
Otherwise
I
I
I
I
just
feel
that
we
we
are
perhaps
making
too
much
of
it.
There's
lots
of
other
things.
I
think
we
could
be
concentrating
our
time
on
both
as
a
scrutiny
board
and
and
as
a
city
council
brooks.
I
D
Thank
you
and
in
terms
and
so
in
in
terms
of
the
impact
as
as
councillor
bentley
was
saying
like
the
impact
does
seem
mostly
to
be
like
leaving
the
canisters
behind
after
use
and
the
the
associated
sort
of
raves,
of
which
you
know
that
there
has
been
some
issues
with
that
in
my
ward,
but
on
the
whole,
in
terms
of
the
the
sort
of
longer-term
impacts
of
communities
that
the
drug
addiction
causes,
for
example,
burglaries
street
street
begging.
I
No,
no,
we
don't.
We
don't
really
see
that
that
kind
of
link
in
the
same
way
as
we
do
with
the
other
substances
I
know
council
robinson,
has
made
reference
to
and
and
and
recognizes
so
no
it's.
It
is
it's
quite
different
from
from
from
individuals,
perhaps
using
heroin,
spice
cannabis,
cracker.
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
that
report.
I
think
it's
very
welcome
and
it
gives
information
be
aware
of.
I
think
councillor
bentley.
I
can
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
but
aren't
we
best
to
look
at
it
now
and
stop
this
before
it
gets
out
of
hand
and
touchwood
in
miami
council
bruinsward.
We
don't
have
a
big
issue
with
it.
We
have
had
some
space
where
the
canisters
are
left,
and
that
is
the
issue.
D
Children
pick
these
canisters
up
if
they're
left
in
the
park
and
also
animals,
and
then
we
have
to
bring
in
the
environment
teams
to
clean
up,
and
it's
all
the
other
things
that
leads
on
from
it.
So
I
think
it's
something
we
do
need
to
stop
and
look
at
now
so
paul.
Please
continue
with
your
work.
A
Thank
you
right
now
what
I
want
to
do
before
bringing
this
to
conclusion,
councillor
cooper
from
your
perspective,
what
are
you
intending
doing
now?
You
know
to
move
this
forward,
or
are
you
satisfied
that
the
information
that
mr
money
has
put
before
us
today
gives
you
satisfaction
and
that
you're
going
to
keep
on
watching
brief
on
it?
Where
are
you
on
the
the
cycle.
E
Yeah
thank
you,
chair
and,
and
I
appreciate
the
report
that
has
been
put
together
by
paul
and
his
team
actually
to
respond
to
council
robinson's
request
for
information
around
this.
So
I
think
it
does
set
us
up
for
to
look
at
this
issue
further
as
we
go
along,
but
I'm
I'm
quite
satisfied.
E
Actually,
with
the
report
that's
been
given
that
we're
quite
capable
of
taking
this
on
and
keeping
a
an
eye
on
how
it
goes
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
bring
an
update
back
to
scrutiny
in
a
timely
manner.
When
you
think
that
you
need
to
do
that,
but
I
have
to
say,
as
a
few
others
have
mentioned
as
well,
I
think
there
is
a
wider
issue
of
drugs
and
alcohol,
maybe
that
we
need
to
address
with
public
health.
E
So
I'd
like
to
take
it
away
and
do
some
work
on
that
through
my
portfolio
and
my
colleagues
portfolio,
to
have
a
look
at
that
the
forest
group
near
brings
it
back
again
because,
as
has
been
mentioned
apart
from
the
community
safety
angle,
it
is
more
about
the
public
health
side
of
things
really
that
need
to
address
this.
And,
of
course,
that's
another
scrutiny
board
as
well.
So
so
I
do
think
that
you've
had
lots
of
information
in
this
report
that
you
can.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
probably
get
an
update
report.
I
don't
know
in
say
six
to
12
months,
we'll
agree
on
a
figure
in
a
minute
and
also
pass
the
report
through
to
the
chair
of
the
health
scrutiny
board,
so
that
she
is
aware
of
the
public
health
impacts
and
she
can
then
decide
whether
or
not
she
wants
to
do
a
further
inquiry
or
whether
she
wants
to
work
with
councillor
cooper
to
try
and
move
these
particular
issue
forward.
Now.
G
Thank
you
chair,
I
think,
12
months,
and
then
we
get
a
comparison
on
figures
yeah,
because
this
report
gave
us
some
very
good
statistics
and-
and
I
think,
if
we
get
a
comparison
on
figures,
we
can
actually
see
you
know,
is
the
problem.
Staying
about
the
same
is
the
problem.
Rising
is
the
problem
slacking
off,
and
I
think
that
would
give
us
a
good
indication
if
that's
okay,.
I
A
Okay,
so
what
we'll
do
is
we
will
ask
for
we'll
put
it
on
the
successor
boards
work
schedule
and
we
will
pass
it
on
to
the
public
health
scrutiny
board.
Council
robinson.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
12
months
is
a
fair
proposal
because
being
in
lockdown
as
well
at
the
moment,
this
has
the
possibility
of
skewing
figures,
and
we,
you
know,
are
we
comparing
apples
and
oranges
through
this?
H
In
essence,
raising
this
issue
alone
has
done
some
of
the
job
that
I
set
out
to
do,
which
is
raising
the
profile
that
there
is
a
problem
or
there
is
an
issue
whether
you
feel
that
the
issue
is
littering
or
you
feel
that
the
issue
is
the
purchase
of
this
and
how
it's
used
and
the
figures
have
dropped
since
I
raised
it.
So
I
can.
H
I
can
perhaps
suggest
that
the
the
jobs
being
done
already
and
claim
some
success
for
that,
but
I
think
it's
the
agencies
involved
on
the
point
around
deaths.
I
I
do
accept
what
councillor
brooks
and
councillor
bentley
are
saying.
I
there
have
been
deaths
when
nitrous
oxide
is,
is
on
the
on
the
death
certificate.
H
Unfortunately,
the
royal
college
of
nurses
have
raised
concerns
about
this,
so
I
think
taking
it
down,
a
joint
working
group
with
health
makes
sense,
but
I
would
the
only
part
I
would
add
is
the
support
for
parents
that
was
mentioned
earlier
and
how
they
can
identify
this
and
what
can
be
done-
and
I
I
know
paul
sought
to
address
that,
but
putting
a
specific
line
in
there
would
be
useful
to
see.
What's
happened
in
the
12
months,
since
this
report.
A
Right
so,
unless
anybody
has
got
any
other
points
they
wish
to
make,
then
the
recommendation
is
that
we
will,
with
the
amendments
that
have
been
suggested,
we'll
go
for
12
months
and
we'll
pass
it
to
the
public
health
screening
board.
So
in
that
case,
can
I
thank
paul
and
his
team,
and
can
I
thank
council
robinson
for
bringing
it
to
our
attention
in
the
first
place?
Thank
you
all
very
much.
Thank
you.
A
If
we
can
now
move
on
to
item
eight,
which
is
the
budget
consultation,
so
if
the
following
people
can
introduce
them
themselves
in
some
cases
again,
but
anyway,
counselor
cooper,
do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
again.
E
A
A
L
If
you
like
to
begin
with
cancer,
anderson,
yeah
and
maybe
james
can
do
it
do
his
so
just
to
so
to
explain,
I
mean
we're
facing
a
gap
as
a
council
of
around
about
119
million
next
year
in
the
general
fund,
that's
been
reported
to
executive
board
and
we
have,
as
a
sort
of
first
step,
try
to
identify
some
savings
in
the
general
fund,
which
have
been
approved
now
by
executive
board
in
in
september,
and
that
that
that
amounted
to,
I
believe
around
about
32
million
of
which
around
around
about
11,
was
within
the
resources
and
housing
department.
L
But
nearly
all
of
those
savings
are
actually
part
of
the
resources
side
of
things
because
that's
what's
covered
by
the
general
fund
in
in
resources
and
housing.
I
suppose
what
I
would
say
is
is
there's
a
big
gap
between
32
million
and
119.
L
So
this
isn't
the
end
of
the
story.
So
these,
if
you
like,
are
I've
been
the
the
more
immediate
things
which
we
could
get
get
on
with
and
get
get
agreed.
But
we
will
have
to
clearly
revisit
all
our
services
to
to
look
at
what
what
else
needs
to
be
done
to
bridge
that
gap
in
terms
of
a
strategy-
and
I
think
again,
we've
laid
this
out
for
executive
board.
L
We
would
be
looking
probably
to
use
something
in
in
the
order
around
about
40
million
of
kind
of
one-off,
one-off
measures
to
actually
reduce
it
to
a
level
which
is
possible
to
achieve
in
one
year
without
causing
huge
disruption
to
the
city,
but
clearly,
there's
still
a
big
gap
between
the
32
million
and
80
in
recurrent
savings
which
we
would
need.
L
Just
before
I
go
say
something
about
the
housing
revenue
account
so
in
terms
of
the
general
fund,
what's
covered
by
your
department
is,
is
very
small
amounts
of
money.
Really,
it's
there's
some
elements
of
housing
options
which
advises
on
homelessness,
which,
which
is
covered
by
the
general
general
fund.
L
L
We
have
extraordinarily
low
levels
of
temporary
accommodation
compared
to
other
cities,
and
anything
which
leads
to
an
increase
in
temporary
accommodation
would
far
outweigh
any
savings
that
we
that
we
achieve
through
through
staffing
and
to
give
you
an
example,
you
know
an
area
like
a
birmingham
has
spent
as
much
as
10
million
pounds
on
on
temporary
accommodation.
L
So
so,
if
anything
like
that
goes
out
of
control
it
it
it's
it's
enormously
damaging
and
the
other.
The
other
area
is
what
is
the
private
housing
side,
which
again
is,
is
pretty
heavily
covered
by
grant
and
by
licensing
fees.
L
So
so
the
other
bit
then,
which
is
in
the
the
presentation,
is,
is
the
housing
revenue
account
itself
and-
and
I
think
I
explained
to
to
a
number
of
members
or
off
in
a
in
a
working
group
meeting
the
the
housing
revenue
for
those
who
are
uninitiated.
The
housing
revenue
account
is
completely
separate
from
the
general
fund.
It
is
it's
around
about
a
260
million
pound
fund,
it's
paid
for
by
the
rents
of
tenants,
and
it
has
to
actually
be
for
the
benefit
of
tenants.
L
So
we
can't
use
the
housing
revenue
account
to
subsidize
the
general
fund,
and
neither
can
the
general
fund
be
used
to
subsidize
the
housing
revenue
account
and
because,
because
the
housing
revenue
account
is
paid
for
by
the
rents
of
tenants
and
it
so
long
as
we,
we
actually
collect
their
rent
and
we
keep
our
numbers
of
properties
up
then.
Actually,
it's
a
more
stable
account
than
the
general
fund,
and
we
are
it
was
we've
got
some
pressures
in
there.
L
It's
we're
not
under
the
same
sort
of
pressure
that
we
are
in
the
general
fund
by
by
any
by
any
means,
so
we're
looking
next
year
at
pressures
of
around
so
so
to
give
you
a
con
to
give
you
a
contrast,
our
our
net
budget
for
the
for
the
for
the
city
is
550
million
territory,
we're
trying
to
find
120
million.
L
L
And
there
are
a
few
other
items
in
there
as
well,
which
give
us
some
of
that
give
us
some
of
that
issue.
The
way
that
we
will
meet
it
in
the
main
will
be
well
there'll,
be
two
two
separate
measures
one
will
be.
L
We
will
follow
the
formula
that
we've
been
using
since
the
cap
was
lifted
from
the
george
osborne
reduction
in
rents,
which
will
be
to
increase
rents
by
cpi
plus
1.
L
We
will
also
increase
service
charges
along
the
same
lines
and
we
will
continue
to
close
the
gap
on
on
on
self
payers
on
the
sheltered
charge
which
the
people
still
receive
a
subsidy.
At
the
moment,
we've
been
increasingly
by
two
pounds
of
two
pounds
a
week
to
kind
of
close
out
that
subsidy
over
a
period
of
years,
and
then
we
will
also
then
be
reducing
some
of
our
staffing
budgets,
which
I
think
are
reflective
of
the
fact
that
we
are
looking
after
less
properties
at
the
moment.
We're
also
taking
some
some
lessons.
L
I
think,
from
the
way
we've
been
operating
over
this
last
number
of
months,
so
how
we've
been
able
to
support
some
things
remotely,
and
we
will
continue
with
some
of
that
in
in
the
future,
because
some
of
it's
been
effective
and
we've
been
also
looking
at
other
options.
Other
opportunities
to
kind
of
maximize
on
on
on
some
of
the
things
which
we've
been
benefiting
from
over
the
last
six
months
in
terms
of
expense
like
things
like
staff,
transport
and
and
so
forth.
L
So
a
whole
series
of
measures
there
on
staffing
and
expenditure,
which
amounts
to
around
about
3
million.
The
the
point
of
trying
to
do
that
is
is
frankly
the
the
easy
way
for
the
hra.
To
always,
balance
is
to
just
simply
reduce
the
amount
of
money
that
we
spend
on
on
improving
our
properties,
and
I
think
it's
the
the
priority
for
council
cooper
and
and
ourselves
as
a
department
to
to
actually
ensure
that
we
maximize
the
amount
of
money
that
we
are
spending
on
improving
our
property.
L
L
So
that's
that
that's
kind
of
the
the
package
of
proposals
for
for
housing
and
if
they're
a
little
bit
difficult,
then
they're
like
they
pale
in
comparison.
I
say
into
to
what
we
have
we
faced
within
the
general
fund,
so
I'll
leave
it
there.
A
F
Morning,
neil
good
morning,
I
want
to
just
say
that
I
strongly
agree
with
your
comments
and
counselor
coupons
about
maximizing
the
spend
on
the
hra
on
maintaining
our
properties
and
building
new
properties.
As
you've
indicated
in
my
day,
we
used
to
have
something
called
decency.
F
We've
always
been
keen
as
an
administration
on
that,
and
I
welcome
the
fact
that
you're
continuing
to
keep
up
those
standards
and,
in
fact
improve
those
standards
so
well
done.
I
also
wanted
to
say
from
the
report
reading
about
the
rent
collection
section.
In
particular,
I
can
see
how
very
dedicated
and
hard
housing
staff
are
working
to
try
and
bring
in
that
kind
of
income
and
again
I
think
they
are
to
be
congratulated.
F
My
question
is:
when
you're
talking
of
the
situation
financially
overall
in
our
discussion
on
your
discussions
with
senior
civil
servants,
has
there
not
been
any
leeway
in
terms
of
our
need
to
annually
make
the
budget
balance?
Have
they
not
agreed
to
any
flexibilities
around
that
at
all?
Thank
you.
L
Yeah,
so
I'm
on
so
on
the
general
fund
position.
We
are
in
specific
discussions
at
this
moment
in
time
around
the
gap
that
we
face
within
2021.
L
So
members
again
will
have
seen,
perhaps
in
the
executive
board
report
that
we've
been
indicating
a
gap
of
50
million
over
and
beyond
the
receipt
of
a
grant
that
we've
received
from
government
to
date
and
that's
a
mix
of
shortfall
in
income.
It's
it's
a
it's
also.
A
number
of
land
sale
deals
which
we've
not
been
able
to
actually
conclude
within
the
year
because
of
the
situation,
and
there
are
there's
also
the
issues
around
the
inability
to
capitalize
some
staff,
because
a
number
of
physical
projects
haven't
gone
through.
L
So
it's
around
about
50
million
and
what
we're
seeking
to
do
is
get
an
agreement
with
government
which
would
allow
us
to
capitalize
that
50
million
and
borrow
long
with
interest
rates
at
as
they
as
they
currently
stand,
so
that
we
can
actually
we
can
actually
manage
that
period
but
manage
that.
L
That
sum
over
a
much
longer
period
of
time
and
to
some
extent
all
we're
doing
really
is
asking
government
to
do
what
government
is
doing
itself,
which
is
borrowing
to
get
through
an
unprecedented
period,
so
that
that
discussion
is
is,
is
taking
place
right
now
there
will
be.
L
There
are
other
discussions
which
will
be
taking
place
with
them
over
next
year's
settlement,
and
there's
probably
you
know
and
there's
obviously
a
lobby
right
across
local
government
about
that
settlement
and
we're
we're
having
it
partly
separately,
but
we're
also
doing
it
through
lga,
core
cities
and
so
forth
as
you'd
expect-
and
there
are
some
particular
things
to
look
at
like
what
happens
to
to
business
rates.
Support,
for
example,
if
that
the
amount
of
takings
through
business
rates
goes
down,
as
we
would
anticipate
next
year.
A
K
Yeah,
I
can
do
chair
by
all
means,
so
the
pages
to
concentrate
on
in
terms
of
the
community
environment
budget
proposals
are
paid
to
16
and
17
of
your
agenda.
You'll
see
there
two
tables
over
those
two
pages
which
total
2.8
million
pounds
worth
of
savings
proposals
for
2122.,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
them
individually.
So
I'll
just
give
you
a
bit
of
a
flavor
of
the
nature
of
the
the
proposals
that
are
on
those
two
sheets.
K
So
you've
got
a
number
of
proposals
which
relate
to
managerial
and
supervisory
restructures.
So
the
first
one,
for
example,
environmental
service
manager
and
supervisor
restructure
635
000
is
one
example
there,
but
you've
got
two
or
three
other
examples.
As
you
look
through
that
list,
there
are
a
number
of
increases
in
terms
of
charges
that
we
make
for
various
things,
whether
it
be
bereavement
charges
to
developers
for
bins,
whether
it
be
charges
to
commercial
waste
traders,
cap
hacking,
income,
so
they're
all
included.
K
There
is
additional
income
that
we
expect
to
generate
some
savings
on
contracts
such
as
the
grounds
maintenance
contract,
where
we're
going
to
do
more,
relax
mowing
in
areas
and
reduce
that
contract
by
by
10
percent.
K
There
are
some
savings
in
there
which
relate
to
things
like
channel
shift
savings
in
the
contact
center,
which
scrutiny
bar
members
will
be
familiar
with
with
the
previous
work
that
you've
done,
so
the
70
000
worth
of
additional
savings
there
to
take
it
in
total
to
420
000,
with
what
we've
got
in
the
midterm
financial
plan
already,
and
then
there
are
other
things
on
that
list
which
are
expected
grant
funding
that
we
expect,
such
as
new
burdens,
grant
funding
our
funding
that
we're
going
to
get
from
migration
yorkshire
to
cover
their
support
costs.
A
K
A
Right,
that's
right!
Anybody
get
any
questions
themselves
that
they
would
like
to
raise.
I
don't
see
any
indications
if
anybody
is
one
if
he
comes
to
blackburn
you've.
Yes,
I'm
unmuted.
So
what
did
you
do?
Okay,.
C
Yes,
my
concern
is
with
the
call
center
savings
there
and
I
know
it's
said
to
do
with
ships,
but
I
know
that
my
residents
have
many
times
stated
even
recently
about
them
having
problems
of
getting
through
and
when
they
sometimes
they
just
get
a
message
on
saying,
leave
a
message
and
when
they
do
leave
a
message,
nobody
gets
back
to
them.
So
if
you're
talking
about
reducing
stuff
in
there,
then
that's
not
going
to
be
a
good
situation
for
our
residents
to
be
in
because
obviously
they're
very
busy.
C
Now,
because
housing
offices
in
the
main,
our
contact
centers,
are
still
closed,
and
so
there
will
be,
and
residents
are
encouraged
to
either
contact
via
email
or
phone.
C
But,
as
I
said
so,
the
phone
the
phones
will
be
going
crackers.
So
I'm
concerned,
if
you
reduce
that,
then
it's
going
to
affect
residents
getting
in
touch
with
with
housing,
etc.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
council
blackburn's
right
to
the
extent
that
we've
been
very
busy
over
recent
months
and
you
wouldn't
expect
otherwise.
I
don't
think
in
terms
of
the
the
covered
19
pressures
that
were
we've
been
having
to
to
deal
with,
but
we're
managing
volume
as
well
at
the
present
time
and
no
particular
no
particular
problems.
K
I
think
what
we've
got
to
do
is
look
at
this
proposal
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
to
do
in
the
future,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
is
to
get
fewer
people
ringers,
because
they're
able
to
access
the
information
or
get
the
service
that
they
want
digitally
through
the
website
or
through
other
digital
means
that
we
can
put
into
place,
and
this
is
what
these
savings
are
about.
K
C
C
The
fact
is
that
many
residents
don't
have
access
to
to
computers
to
get
this
information
and
now,
as
I've
said,
contact
centers
in
the
main
still
closed,
and
some
of
us
don't
have
contact
centers
in
our
worlds
anyway.
But
the
fact
is,
then
it
particularly
with
the
older
people
they
they
ring
up.
You
know,
and
I'm
sure
certainly
all
of
us
have
residents
to
tell
them.
C
They
have
quite
a
number
and
the
they
ring,
and
then
they
just
get
frustrated
that
they
can't
get
through
and
that
nobody
gets
back
to
them,
so
they
rank
the
counselors
and
obviously
yes,
we
sort
it
out.
C
But
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
you
might
say
we
should
be
getting
more
people
into
the
call
center,
not
less,
and
our
residents
will
suffer
by
this.
So,
yes,
I
do
have
a
huge
concern
over
that.
K
Just
to
come
back
very
quickly
on
that
point,
council,
blackburn
yeah,
we
acknowledge
that
there
will
be
some
people
who
haven't
got
access
to
computers
or
smartphones
and
therefore
may
struggle
with
doing
things
digitally,
and
that
far
there
will
always
be
an
opportunity
for
those
people
to
ring
us.
The
the
issue
here
is
that
the
overwhelming
majority
of
people
do
have
the
ability
to
do
many
things
for
themselves
and
it's
actually
increasing
the
number
of
options
that
we've
got
available
for
people
to
do
that.
K
K
E
A
A
I
am,
but
I
am
back
whether
that's
a
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing
we'll
soon
find
out,
but
I
am
back.
I
don't
know
what
happened
there.
So
did
we
progress
anything
in
my
absence.
H
A
What
did
you
mean?
Where
were
we?
I
was
getting
some
information
back
again.
Did
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
james's
presentation?
A
Obviously
there
is
a
meeting
going
to
be
coming
up
in
november
as
a
result
of
the
executive
board
of
october
and
november,
bringing
forward
further
proposals
which
we
will
then
have
the
chance
to
scrutinize.
A
So
if
no
one
has
got
any
other
questions
or
queries,
cousin
smith,
you've,
undeleted.
G
A
G
Okay,
so
it
was
just
a
query
about
the
additional
income
from
the
commercial
trade
waste
services
and
how
it
was
envisioned
that
this
may
or
may
not
impact
on
further
flight
tipping,
which
would
then
put
more
strain
on
the
environmental
services
team.
G
Obviously,
we,
since
the
introduction
of
charges,
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
flight
tipping
and
if
we
raise
charges
further
or
broaden
them,
will
this
lead
to
an
increase
and
will
that
impact
a
different
budget.
K
Yeah,
thank
you,
council
smith.
This
issue,
I
think,
was
raised
when
we
had
the
working
group
discussion
and
just
to
show
members
that
I
mean
we
only.
We
only
deal
with
a
small
proportion
of
commercial
waste
because
there
are
a
lot
of
other
waste
disposal
companies
who
deal
with
commercial
waste.
K
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
just
putting
our
prices
up
and
we're
confident
that
they
remain
competitive
and
if
people,
if
they
weren't
competitive
people,
would
go
to
other
providers
which
would
be
a
negative
impact
upon
our
budget
and
as
a
consequence
of
that
sort
of
broader
picture.
We
don't
anticipate
that
this
would
have
any
major
impact
in
terms
of
lighting.
A
Okay,
right,
I
don't
see
any
other
indications.
Anybody
wanting
to
speak
up
if
they've
got
anything
else
to
say.
If
not,
can
I
thank
officers
for
making
themselves
available
and
we
look
forward
to
getting.
C
There
I'm
sorry
about
this.
I
should
have
stated
earlier.
While
I
was
speaking
about
the
other
matter,
can
I
just
raise
the
subject
of
a
reduction
in
the
cleaner
neighborhood
teams.
C
K
James
yeah,
thank
you,
chair,
just
to
be
clear
that
there
are
no
budget
proposals
that
which
will
affect
frontline
cleaner,
neighborhoods
team.
What's
weather
included
here,
what
you've
got
there
is
a
70
thousand
pound
saving
on
general
expenditure
budget,
so
all
of
my
service
areas
have
been
through
line
by
line
and
their
budgets
and
identified
where
they
can
be
reduced.
K
A
Good
okay,
so
if
there
is
no
one
else,
as
I
said,
can
I
thank
officers
for
making
the
time
available
and
if
we
can
make
sure
that
any
of
the
future
proposals,
if
we
can
get
them
as
early
as
possible,
so
that
we
have
a
chance
to
read
through
them
and
draw
our
own
conclusions
from
them.
It
means
that
when
we
meet
next
to
discuss
the
budget,
we
are
better
informed
and
we
can
have
a
good
discussion
on
things.
So
thank
you
all
very
much
for
coming
along.
A
So
we
can
move
on
to
item
nine
now,
which
is
the
housing
activity.
So
if
again,
if
I
could
ask
the
following
people
to
introduce
themselves,
mr
evans.
M
Chair,
sorry,
for
jumping
in
it's
gerald,
tinsdale,
head
of
housing
services,
jill
waldman
can't
make
this
board
today.
So
she's
asked
me
and
adam
to
go
through
the
report.
I
think
that's.
Okay,.
J
Good
morning,
bob
john
guidas,
chair
of
tenant
scrutiny,
board.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so
over
to
adam
and
gerard
as
to
the
setting
out
the
salient
facts
that
are
in
the
report.
M
Okay,
thanks
chair
I'll
I'll,
just
run
through
briefly.
Some
of
the
key
points
in
the
report
and
then
myself
and
adam
will
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
since
lockdown
commenced.
On
the
23rd
of
march,
we've
been
working
hard
as
a
service
to
maintain
levels
and
with
a
particular
focus
around
the
most
vulnerable
residents
in
leeds,
and
we
put
a
number
of
emergency
services
in
place
to
ensure
that
happened.
M
But
since
lockdown
measured
started
to
ease
from
may
this
year,
we've
started
the
re-mobilization
of
our
services
and
we've
done
that
through
consultation
with
unions,
health
and
safety.
Colleagues,
and
we've
ensured
that
we've
got
risk
assessments
and
method
statements
in
place
to
allow
us
to
re-mobilize
around
the
number
of
the
functions
that
are
laid
out
in
this
report,
which
I'll
just
touched
on.
So
in
terms
of
repairs.
It
can
be
seen
the
report
we've
managed
to
complete
around
48
000
and
this
financial
year.
M
M
M
In
terms
of
gas
compliance,
I
think
we're
doing
relatively
well
in
this
area.
We're
now
at
99.4
in
terms
of
gas
checks
and
benchmarking
is
against
local
authorities
in
other
areas.
It
puts
leads
in
a
very
strong
position,
there's
still
about
228
overdue
and
we're
working
hard
to
reduce
that
normally
the
level
would
be
around
around
100.
Their
chair
and
kovid
did
at
one
point
create
a
backlog
of
just
over
800.
M
other
compliance
checks
that
we're
carrying
out
such
as
fire
risk
assessments.
What
hygiene
inspections,
asbestos,
inspections,
we've
managed
to
carry
out
around
six
thousand
of
those
since
covered
was
put
in
place
and
we're
more
or
less
fully
immobilized
in
that
area.
Now,
in
terms
of
the
investment
program,
we
now
fully
re-mobilize
with
the
capital
investment
program
and
we've
got
about
20
active
projects,
delivering
improvements
to
residents,
homes
such
as
district
heating,
cctv,
ground
source,
heat
pumps,
rewiring
and
so
on.
M
In
terms
of
voids
and
lightings,
we
suspended
choice
based
lettings
during
the
pandemic,
and
we
introduced
an
emergency
allocations
policy
and
that
was
to
ensure
that
our
most
vulnerable
customers
could
still
access
housing
and
up
until
the
end
of
august,
we'd
helped
around
150
applicants.
In
that
way,
we've
now
reintroduced
choice-based
lanes
that
is
still
running
alongside
our
emergency
panel
and
works
going
well
in
this
area.
M
Now,
we've
managed
to
get
our
void
levels
back
down
to
about
721
as
of
this
week,
which
is
about
1.3
percent
of
our
stock,
but
just
to
remind
the
board
that
in
in
july,
at
the
peak
of
the
pandemic,
we
had
over
900
properties,
memphis,
so
there's
been
some
significant
progress
and
we're
hoping
to
get
back
to
pre-covered
levels
by
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
if
not
sooner
in
terms
of
rent
collection.
M
The
collection
of
arrays
during
lockdown
has
been
a
challenge,
particularly
given
the
restrictions
on
applying
for
evictions
and
the
serving
of
notices,
and
this
cause
there
is
to
increase
by
around
about
590
000.
However,
by
supporting
tenants
with
applications
for
benefits
and
universal
credit,
we've
managed
to
continue
to
reduce
this
figure.
M
Arrays
work
around
the
serving
of
notices
is
recommencing.
We've
got
about
236
residents
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
to
serve
notices
on
just
to
be
clear
to
everybody,
we're
not
looking
at
asking
for
any
possession
through
the
courts.
We're
not
looking
at
doing
any
eviction
work
at
this
moment
in
time,
and
the
notice
is
that
we're
looking
to
serve
is
only
on
people
that
have
got
six
months
or
more
rent
arrears
and
that's
following
current
government
legislation
around
this.
M
I
think
a
positive
note
in
terms
of
the
collection
figures
we're
actually
around
about
half
a
percent
higher
than
we
were
last
year.
96.5
and
just
picking
up
on
some
of
the
comments
mentioned
earlier
around
the
hra.
M
Last
year,
in
terms
of
tennessee
management
and
support,
staff
have
continued
to
stay
in
contact
through
lockdown
stay
in
contact
with
tenants,
sorry
through
lockdown,
and
that's
merely
been
through
telephone
contact
text
and
emails,
and
our
focus
was
to
ensure
we
made
contact
with
the
most
vulnerable
tenants
and
we
were
successful
in
contacting
around
about
12
and
a
half
thousand
tenants
aged
over
60
with
a
non-vulnerability,
and
we've
also
managed
to
contact
around
4
000
tenants
who
were
shielding
to
carry
out
well-being
checks
in
terms
of
the
private
rented
sector
to
support
the
sector
during
lockdown,
the
council
suspended
requests
for
fees
of
all
licensed
types,
both
mandatory
and
selective
licensing.
M
M
This
will
allow
the
scheme
to
continue
and
we've
now
got
about
80
of
those
paid
in
terms
of
homelessness.
The
covered
lockdown
meant
we
quickly
had
to
reconsider
our
approach
to
providing
emergency
accommodation.
This
resulted
in
the
service
acquiring
at
a
peak
around
about
230
hotel
rooms
for
use.
M
M
For
today,
we've
just
got
53
left
in
the
hotels
and
the
intention
is
to
get
our
ta
numbers
down
to
pre-covered
levels
by
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
in
terms
of
managing
increased
demand
for
the
service.
That's
remained
strong
and
we've
still
maintained
a
prevention
rate
for
people
that
contact
us
at
risk
of
homelessness
around
about
90
percent
and
and
and
just
to
put
that
in
a
national
perspective.
M
Nationally.
It's
around
about
50
percent,
so
he's
maintaining
a
real
strong
position
in
that
area,
and
we've
we've
been
successful,
chairing
in
submitting
a
number
of
bids
to
government
to
try
and
increase
our
funding
to
help,
particularly
around
rough
sleeping
and
homelessness,
and
we've
been
awarded
just
over
a
million
pounds
to
support
bringing
in
an
additional
20
one-bedroom
properties
and
works
on
the
way
to
acquire
those
properties
and
that
will
further
reduce
the
numbers
in
in
temporary
accommodation.
M
In
terms
of
the
outbreak
planning,
we're
continuing
to
support
the
corporate
approach
in
terms
of
the
outbreak
planning,
signposting
tenants
is
needed
for
testing
ensuring
relevant
information
is
shared
and
we've
actually
got
a
small
team
in
place
now,
and
we
use
that
more
recently
in
hair
hills
to
support
that
local
outbreak,
I
think
to
to
summarize
covered,
is
required.
Housing
lisa
think
differently
about
how
we
manage
our
services
moving
from
an
office-based
environment
to
working
from
home
and
to
support
this
new
way
of
working.
M
We're
looking
at
another,
a
number
of
different
options,
such
as
better
software
for
customer
engagement,
remote
video
tools
to
carry
out
virtually
specimen
inspections,
so
that
we
can
deal
with
repairs,
much
quicker
and
looking
at
contact
over
the
phone
and
over
email,
rather
than
actually
having
staff
going
out
and
knock
on
people
doors.
Although
there
is
still
an
element
of
where
we
need
to
go
to
people's
properties
and
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
we've
got
processes
in
place
to
allow
us
to
do
that.
M
And
then
I
just
think
linking
up
on
the
last
agenda
item
in
terms
of
the
financial
pressures
on
the
general
fund
when
we
had
the
the
peak
in
the
increase
in
in
temporary
accommodation.
That
was
predicting
a
pressure
for
us
around
2.4
3
million,
given
the
work
that
I've
just
alluded
to
we'll
reduce
that
pressure
down
to
about
640
thousand
this
year
and
that
work
continues.
M
That's
just
a
brief
update
on
the
report
chair
and
adam
and
myself
will
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Excellent.
D
Thank
you,
chair.
Just
listening
to
you
say
that
you're
going
to
try
and
get
the
rent
arrears
sorted
out
and
talking
to
the
tenants
about
monies.
They
owe
how
much
of
a
problem
have
we
generated
by
delaying
sending
some
of
our
tenants
invoices
for
food
that
they've
received
through
the
the
voucher
scheme.
I
was
concerned
a
month
or
so
ago
that
we
still
don't
send
invoices
out
to
tenants,
and
I
would
assume
that
a
lot
of
our
tenants
have
taken
advantage
of
that
scheme
because
they
are
vulnerable
people.
D
Have
we
actually
looked
at
that
side
of
it,
because
I'm
just
mindful,
if
we're
putting
under
them
under
pressure
for
rent,
but
they
also
owe
us
money
for
other
things.
It
could
be
a
little
bit
too
much
for
some
people.
Have
we
looked
at
that?
Please.
M
It's
certainly
something
that
we
would
speak
to
our
customers
about.
If,
if,
when
we're
talking
to
people
that
owe
his
money
we'll,
we
will
obviously
look
at
any
other
debts
there.
Obviously
housing
is
a
priority
debt
counsellor,
but
we
would
work
with
them
to
create
some
type
of
affordable
payment
method
to
ensure
that
they
can
cover
all
debts
and
still
remain
in
the
home.
M
I
I
don't
have
an
answer
to
that
part.
The
question
council
or
no.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Just
for
a
point
of
clarity
really
for
councillor
collins,
the
volunteer
hubs
and
the
food
distribution
was
from
the
communities
director
and
not
from
the
directly
from
housing.
So
it's
a
separate
directorate's
budget
that
we're
talking
about.
So
it's
not
on
on
gerrard's
activity
report.
E
It's
a
different
entity,
but
nonetheless,
still
an
issue
if,
if
some
of
our
tenants
have
had
bills
for
other
things,
including
other
bills
from
us
as
a
council
and
an
authority
as
well
as
a
you
know,
reminder
about
rent
arrays,
also
that
they
have,
but,
as
general
gerard
reassured
you
earlier,
there
will
be
no
action
taken
against
possession
of
property
at
this
point
in
time.
E
Actually
what
we
need
to
do
is
to
collect
the
arrears
that
are
due
to
us
in
a
timely
manner,
and
I
think
reminders
can
maybe
help
us
to
do
that.
A
lot
of
people
are
back
at
work
now
and
unable
to
pay
their
rent.
So
if
we
need
to
remind
people,
then
that's
what
we
need
to
do
at
this
point
in
time.
D
Thank
you
chair,
and
can
I
also
welcome
the
excellent
report
from
gerald
welcome
general
and
also
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everybody
involved
in
this
reheating.
As
you
know,
in
birmingham's
richmond
hill
we've
got
the
most
multi-story
blocks
and
that's
where
over
2000
properties
going
to
be
benefiting
from
disrepeating
and
people
already
seen
the
reduction
in
bills
and
the
fuel
poverty
and
people
are
willing
to
spend
that
money
saving
on
on
to
a
food
and
other
things.
So
that's
welcome.
Thank
you.
M
D
Thank
you
and
what's
the
numbers
on
our
waiting
list
for
the
housing
general
police
in
lincoln
council.
M
D
Thank
you
just
like
it,
noting
that
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
gerard
and
council
cooper
and
to
the
team
at
swarklife
housing
office,
especially
helen
marlinson,
because
I've
spoken
to
her
on
a
daily
basis
several
times,
because,
obviously
we're
all
getting
more
phone
calls
emails
and
the
service
received
has
been
excellent
and,
let's
hope
it
can
continue
when
we
come
back
to
normal
when
they're
in
their
office.
But
they
really
have
given
an
excellent
service.
So
thank
you.
M
A
C
Yes,
I'd
like
to
just
agree
with
what
council
khan
has
been
saying
about
his
concern
about
the
833
votes
and,
yes,
I
think
we'd
all
like
it
to
be
28
days.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
at
the
moment
and
it
is
of
concern
when,
as
we've
said,
there's
so
many
people
that
are
waiting
and
also
so
many
people
putting
in
for
the
houses
that
are
advertised,
which
you
know
it
isn't
really
many.
When
we've
got
204
to
let
and
833
vibes.
C
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
on
that,
perhaps
less
important
one
might
say,
is
to
do
with
walk
arounds
with
counselors.
Now
in
my
world
there
was
there's
been
two
just
with
a
counsellor
which
okay,
yes,
I
understand
we
covered
about
that
and
then
it
seems
to
have
stopped
and
I
just
wondered
what
it
was
like
in
other
people's
worlds,
because
I
wondered:
has
it
stopped
full
stop,
or
is
it
just
maybe
my
word
or
what
the
situation
is
with
that?
Please.
Thank
you.
A
Right
before
bringing
gerard,
then
niels
indicated
he
would
like
to
come
into
mr
evans.
L
Yeah,
just
on
the
issue
of
voice,
I
mean
clearly
we
want
as
low
as
number
as
possible
and
but
the
situation
just
to
put
into
context
again.
I
guess
I
think
I
think
gerald
referred
to
this-
is
we've
gone
up
to
1.3
of
our
property
being
void.
L
We've
done
room,
we've
had
remarkably
low
void
numbers
over
the
last
few
years
down
as
low
as
like
0.6,
I
mean
any
landlord
with
that
level
of
voice.
Would
you
know
it's?
It's
been
pretty
astonishing
performance,
so
we're
up
to
1.3
percent.
We
will
get
that
back
down
to
under
1
in
the
next
in
the
next
number
of
weeks,
because
clearly
it
is
important
for
us
to
to
get
as
low
as
possible.
I
don't
want
members
to
feel
is
kind
of
out
of
control,
because
I
think
the
fact
that
we
have
55
000
houses.
L
Sometimes
when
you
see
the
raw
number
like
800,
it
kind
of
looks
more
than
it
actually
is
as
a
as
a
real
proportion.
I
think
the
issue
around
the
28
days
also
just
needs
to
be
thought
about
carefully.
Clearly,
we
want
to
turn
rip
things
around
as
fast
as
possible,
but
the
voi,
but
the
void
process
is
also
the
opportunity
for
us
us
to
actually
improve
houses,
and
we
that
is
the
opportunity,
when
somebody's
out
of
the
home
to
do
any
works
around
things
like
retrofit.
L
To
do
rewires
to
do
all
the
work,
which
is
actually
very
difficult
to
do
when
people
are
in
situ
and
therefore
there
is
a
balance
to
actually
dealing
with
those
things
properly,
actually
making
sure
that
when
somebody
actually
moves
in
they're,
getting
a
good
property,
averting
long
term
maintenance
costs
and
balancing
that
around
the
speed
of
turnover.
So
yeah,
just
that's
something
I
think
for
scrutiny.
Boards
just
bear
in
mind
when.
A
I
mean
certainly
to
answer
council
blackburn
in
my
word
in
terms
of
walkabouts
they're
still
ongoing,
but
they
are
limited
to
one
councillor
to
go
out
at
any
one
time.
The
housing
staff
themselves
are
frustrated
at
that.
I
know
because
they
would
like
to
meet
all
of
us
because
in
some
words,
you've
got
three
counsellors
who
are
actively
interested
and
in
most
wards
two.
A
It's
very
rarely
do
you
only
find
one
counsellor
interested
in
an
award
in
the
council
housing
side,
so
it's
frustrating
the
officers
as
well
so,
but
they
are
still
continuing
and
I
was
speaking
to
our
housing
manager
the
other
day
and
they
are
intent
in
continuing
with
them
as
well.
Jared
is
anything
else
you
want
to
add
in
respect
to
the
walkabouts.
M
It's
an
area
of
work
that
we
were
looking
to
carry
out
much
much
more
chair,
but
but
given
the
additional
measures
in
in
the
country
and
in
leeds
we've
just
had
to
hold
back
on
that
you're
right,
they
are
taking
place
across
a
number
of
our
estates.
Now
we've
got
risk
assessments
in
place
to
allow
us
to
do
that,
but
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
social
distancing
and
the
numbers
that
actually
attend
yeah.
Thank
you
right.
Council
smith,.
G
Thanks
chef
well,
firstly,
I
I
welcome
this
report
and
having
spoken
separately
to
adam
yesterday
and
getting
a
better
understanding
of
of
where
he
and
the
team
are
are
going.
I
welcome
some
changes
that
are
coming
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
void.
G
Yet
they
are,
they
are
high,
but
they
are
a
small
percentage.
G
I
would
personally
be
happier
with
their
current
idea
of
making
the
homes
the
best
they
can
be
before
they
are
let
again
because
I
get
so
many
complaints
within
the
ward
that
they've,
you
know,
they've
just
taken
a
house
and
there's
still
this
to
be
done
and
that
to
be
done,
then
the
the
resident
is
being
constantly
disturbed.
G
So
if
we
you
know
if
we
can
continue
that,
but
obviously
as
as
expediently
as
we
possibly
can,
then
obviously
that
is
the
best
way
forward,
but
I
think
you
know
the
housing
team
in
in
certainly
the
pudgy
office
are
doing
an
absolutely
amazing
job,
very
difficult
term
circumstances.
They
actually
lost
one
of
their
team
passed
away.
So
you
know
I
personally
would
like
to
put
my
thanks
on
record
to
sophie
roberts
and
the
team.
I
think
I
think
they've
done
an
absolutely
brilliant
job.
G
I
think
this
report
is
is
very
positive
and
I
think
you
know
if
we
can
all
work
together.
We
we
can,
we
can,
you
know,
make
improvements
and-
and
that's
got
to
be-
for
the
greater
good
of
every
home.
You
know
every
every
council
owned
home
in
in
the
in
the
city.
Thank
you.
A
Okay
right,
mr
gitos,
do
you
want
to
say
anything
on
behalf
of
the
scrutiny
board.
J
Yeah
good
morning
chair,
thank
you
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
way
back
in
march,
the
board
decided
that
we
were
going
to
the
service.
We're
going
to
look
at
in
2021
was
going
to
be
tenant
engagement
since
may
we've
had
seven
meetings.
J
The
third
stage,
where
you
is
the
housing
advisory
panels,
we
want
to
look
at
the
the
service
support
which
supporting
wider
communities
and
the
third
would
be
the
street
strategic
tenant
influence
and
we're.
Looking
at
tenant
engagement.
With
the
view
of
the
white
paper
that
the
government,
we
believe,
he's
going
to
be
producing
by
the
end
of
the
year
and
because
of
what
happened
at
grenfell.
J
We
feel
that
maybe
the
tenant's
engagement
is
going
to
come
very
much
to
the
fall
in
that
white
paper,
and
I
I
will
end
there.
But
I
want
to
at
this
same
time
say
to
you
that
I'm
hoping
that,
at
the
end
of
each
stage,
instead
of
what
we
normally
do,
make
a
report
at
the
end
and
make
it
recommendations
to
the
council.
Then
we're
hoping
to
do
this
after
each
stage
and
I
hope
to
be
given
the
chance,
like.
I
have
done
presently
on
previous
reports,
presenting
each
stage
to
you.
J
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity,
first
of
all,
to
thank
mandy
sawyer
and
their
team
for
giving
us
the
tools
again
in
this
challenging
time.
To
do
what
we're
doing.
I
want
to
thank
councillor
cooper
and
she
has
been
one
taking
updates
on
this.
J
We
have
had
two
meetings
since
may,
and
there
are
other
meetings
pencilled
in
and
also
yourself
chair,
for
giving
us
this
opportunity.
You've
been
to
our
board
a
number
of
times
and
thank
you
for
listening
this
morning.
A
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
this
opportunity
really
to
thank
scrutiny,
board
youth,
chair
and
scrutiny,
board
members
and
also
wider
elected
members
for
their
support
for
our
housing
teams.
Out
in
your
various
wards,
I
have
to
say
and
and
assistance
to
them
in
what's
been
an
extremely
challenging
time
since
lockdown
I've
got
to
say
and
as
councillor
smith
said,
we
have
had
some.
E
You
know
some
sadness
within
our
housing
teams
of
people
who
have
become
ill
and
we've
actually
lost
some
members
of
staff
as
well.
So
I
do
you
know,
I
do
think
it's
been
an
extremely
challenging
time
for
the
teams
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
support,
but
I
also
generate
presented
the
report
on
behalf
of
jill
who
couldn't
be
with
us
today.
E
You
know-
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
pass
my
thanks
on
to
neil
to
jill
and
to
all
the
team
for
everything
that
they've
done
during
this
extremely
challenging
time.
I've
got
to
say.
I
know
that
I've
spoken
to
a
number
of
them
completely
outside
of
social
hours,
that
you
would
expect
them
to
be
responding
to
issues
and
I'm
sure
you
have
as
members
as
well
and
they
have
responded
and
they
they've,
you
know
done
what's
been
necessary
for
for
you
and
for
the
tenants
as
well.
E
So
please
can
you
neil
and
jared
pastor
jill,
my
thanks
for
everything
that
you've
done
over
this
period
of
time,
I'm
extremely
proud
to
be
the
executive
board,
member
with
responsibility
for
this
team.
They
go
above
and
beyond
every
time,
and
thank
you
again
for
it.
E
I
think
the
report
you've
got
in
front
of
you
today
really
shows
the
depth
of
the
work
that
housing
has
done
over
recent
times
and
particularly
over
the
difficulty
we've
had
since
the
lock
down
from
corvid
and-
and
it
shows
you
some
fantastic
examples
of
what
we've
been
able
to
achieve
working
together,
not
only
with
with
our
elected
members,
but
also
geographically
through
our
local
partners
and
also
with
the
government.
Actually,
you
know
giving
us
grant
funding.
That's
been.
E
There
allowed
us
to
do
some
of
the
the
intense
work
we've
needed
to
do
with
rough
sleepers
and
homelessness
over
that
time
as
well.
So,
hopefully,
you've
had
a
chance
to
to
read
it
all,
but
it's
some
some
great
examples
of
everything
that's
been
done
in
that
time
and
we
all
should
take
pride
in
in
all
of
that
work,
that's
being
done
on
our
behalf
as
elected
members
in
the
city.
A
No,
no,
that's!
Okay!
Right
in
that
case,
then,
can
I
draw
this
to
a
conclusion:
can
I
first
of
all
pass
on
my
own
personal
thanks
at
the
chairs
brief,
the
chairs
brief.
A
As
far
as
this
report
was
actually
very
short
because
it
was
so
well
written
and
it
contained
everything
that
I
wanted,
there
was
no
need
to
challenge
or
to
debate
about
trying
to
get
this
in
or
latin
the
cooperation
and
the
way
that
the
management
team
have
worked
under
neil
and
jill's
guidance
is
a
credit
to
them
and
to
officers
in
general.
In
terms
of
this
is
the
way
that
we
should
be
doing
it
and
in
terms
of
making
themselves
available.
A
If
you
need
to
know
anything
about
the
council,
housing
position
and
housing
in
general,
this
is
a
bible
that
you
can
actually
use.
You
can
use
this
report
in
order
to
get
access
to
the
information
so
that
you
can
update
your
residence
in
terms
of
what
you're
doing
and
if
there
are
anybody
who's
listening
in,
wants
to
and
are
a
tenant
or
nose
of
a
tenant.
Then
this
report
is
worthwhile
getting
a
copy
of.
A
A
Our
next
formal
meeting
is
on
the
12th
of
november,
and
you
can
see
the
items
that
we're
going
to
be
covering
at
that
and
we've
got
a
working
group
meeting
on
the
16th
of
november
to
look
into
the
budget
proposals
that
are
coming
forward
in
the
october
and
november
exec
board
meetings.
Becky.
Is
there
anything?
I
have
forgotten.
D
A
Good
in
that
case,
then,
I
look
for
thank
you
all
for
your
attendance
today.
We've
even
managed
to
cope
with
becky
did
point
out
that
some
of
us
we're
kicked
out
literally
of
the
system
and
there's
been
a
systems
problem.
That's
why
you've
lost
some
of
us
at
various
times
today,
but
we've
managed
to
come
through
that
and
show
that
good
old
british
spirit
that
we
go
on
and
that
we've
always
got
other
people
to
replace
us
if
we're
not
there.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
effort.
Today.