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From YouTube: Leeds City Council -Scrutiny Board(Children and Families) Consultative Meeting 15th September 2021
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A
Good
morning
and
welcome
to
today's
meeting
of
the
children
and
families
scrutiny
board,
my
name
is
counselor
alan
lam
and
I'm
the
chair
of
the
board
just
to
clarify
this
is
a
remote
consultative
meeting
of
the
children
and
family
scrutiny
board,
and
so,
while
it's
being
webcast
live
to
enable
public
access,
it's
not
being
held
as
a
public
meeting
in
accordance
with
the
local
government
act
1972..
A
A
B
Good
morning,
yes,
my
name's
kate
black,
I
am
the
prime
minister's
parent
governor
representative
on
the
board
good
member.
Thank.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councillor
brooks
please.
A
E
A
No,
no
sign
of
celia,
so
we'll
come
back
to
her
councillor
forsakes.
Please.
A
No
problem,
thank
you.
Councillor,
forsyth,
andrew
graham,
please,
good
morning.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
gruen,
please.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
hazelwood,
please.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
hussain.
Please.
A
Thank
you.
Councillor
lay
please.
C
Good
morning,
everyone
councillor
sandy
lay
representing
otley
and
edenward.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
marshall
katong.
Please.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
renshaw.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
then
can
I
give
a
warm
welcome
to
councillor
linda
richards
who's,
a
new
member
of
the
board,
so
council
richard,
if
you'd
like
to
introduce
yourself.
Please.
A
Very
fine
part
of
the
city
councillor
senior,
please.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
jackie
ward.
Please.
A
B
A
J
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Sorry,
I
just
disappeared
for
a
second
somewhere,
don't
know
where
celia
thought
school
staff
representative.
B
Yes,
snap,
I
got
thrown
off
too
my
name's
emma
flynn,
councillor
for
wheat,
woodward.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
then
we
can
move
straight
into
the
agenda
so
item
one.
Do
any
members
have
any
declarations
of
interests.
A
A
note
of
the
the
board's
consultative
meeting
on
the
7th
of
july
has
been
provided
for
information,
and
while
this
is
not
for
formal
approval,
it's
still
an
opportunity
for
members
to
raise
any
matters
that
they
have
in
relation
to
that
note.
So
do
any
members
have
anything
that
they
wish
to
raise
from
that.
A
No,
so
we
can
move
on
to
the
substantive
items
now.
So
the
first
item
is
going
to
be
item
three,
the
update
on
thriving,
which
is
the
child
poverty
strategy.
A
Issues
surrounding
child
poverty
remains
a
key
area
of
interest
to
the
board,
and
so
the
purpose
of
this
report
is
to
provide
board
members
with
an
overview
of
thriving
the
child
poverty
strategy
for
leads
and
the
work
that
sits
underneath
the
strategy,
including
work
that's
occurred
during
the
pandemic.
Appendix
one
of
the
report
gives
an
update
on
each
of
these
work
streams
in
terms
of
recent
activities,
outcomes
and
next
steps.
A
Thank
you
councillor
prior,
please.
G
A
Thank
you,
julie.
Please,.
A
Thank
you
and
a
particularly
warm
welcome
to
shaheen,
who
is
the
new
deputy
director
for
learning
and
feel
free
to
give
a
bit
of
a
bigger
introduction
to
yourself
shaheen,
but
you're
very
welcome
to
your
first
well.
No,
it's
not
your
first
meeting
you're
with
us
last
week,
weren't
you
but
good
to
have
you
with
us.
C
A
Thank
you,
then
ruth
terry.
Please.
A
Thank
you,
val
waite.
Please.
A
No
problem
at
all,
okay,
so
if
I
can
hand
over
to
sal
and
councillor
venna
initially
to
give
a
brief
introduction
to
the
report
and
then
we
can
get
straight
into
into
questions
and
comments
from
there.
K
Yeah
and
thank
you,
chair
I'll,
just
make
some
brief
comments,
because
I've
talked
about
this
a
number
of
times
actually
on
the
screen,
because
this
is
a
report
that
we
bring
to
you
six
monthly
I'll.
Just
just
so
I'll.
Just
make
some
brief
comments.
K
K
So,
obviously
a
really
major
one
is
the
20
pound
uplift
on
universal
credit
being
removed
at
the
same
time
as
furlough
ending
code,
self-isolation
payment
sending
and
fuel
costs
going
up
so
that
that's
got
the
potential
to
be
catastrophic
in
terms
of
poverty.
The
round
tree
foundation
estimate
that
just
the
universal
credit
uplift
alone
will
push
an
additional
200
000
families
in
poverty.
That's
on
top
of
the
300
000
I've
just
referred
to
so
there's.
K
Obviously
as
you'll
be
aware
from
the
news,
a
lot
of
campaigning
around
that
and
a
lot
of
cross-party
campaigning,
it's
so
it's
possible
that
might
change,
but
I
think
that's
doubtful
and
then,
of
course,
we've
got
the
additional
national
insurance
that
low-paid
families
will
also
be
paying.
So
we're
really
good
up
in
terms
of
thriving
still
to
deal
with
this,
but
this
autumn
is
a
partic
particularly
challenging
time,
and
the
report
refers
to
some
of
the
causes
of
poverty,
because
my
ward
colleague,
council
inworth
asked
a
previous
meeting
why
children
were
in
poverty.
K
So
there's
some
references
in
the
report
to
things
like
housing.
There's,
a
really
big
change.
That's
occurred
in
our
city
and
in
cities
across
the
country
is
that
now
our
our
largest
amount
of
housing
stock
is
private
rented,
it
would
have
been
social
housing.
You
know
30
years
ago
and
I
think
that's
something
that's
been
really
magnified
during
the
pandemic.
I
know
that
from
delivering
you
know
food
parcels
in
my
own
wards,
the
number
of
families
living
in
very
low
quality.
K
You
know
private,
rented,
rented
housing
and
then
there's
also
some
references
and
causes
to
the
benefits
system.
So
the
thriving
strategy
has
seven
work
streams
and
for
each
work
stream.
You've
got
some
quantitative
information
like
how
many
packs
of
period
products
you've
given
out
how
many
meals
you've
given
out
and
you've,
also
got
qualitative
feedback
and
case
studies.
K
So
you
might
remember
some
really,
unfortunately,
negative
publicity
that
children,
young
people
in
hair
hills
attracted
during
the
first
lockdown
when
they
were
playing
out
on
the
streets
and
our
youth
service
and
police,
worked
together
on
that.
But
it
was
really
really
understandable.
Why,
in
terms
of
you
know,
families
living
in
incredibly
densely
populated
areas
in
small
housing,
overcrowded
no
gardens?
K
You
know
there
are
seven
high-rises
in
my
own
ward,
all
of
which
have
children
living
in
them,
and
I
think
families
definitely
had
an
easier
time
doing
lockdown
if
they
had
a
garden.
You
know
if
they
could
really
easily
walk
to
a
park
when
we
were
allowed
out
once
a
day.
So
so
lack
of
access
to
green
space
was
really
highlighted.
As
an
issue
we
hadn't
looked
at,
I
hadn't
had
that
focus
on
before.
So
that's
a
new
worksheet
which
we
haven't,
got
loads
of
detail
in
the
report,
but
we're
working.
K
I
mean
the
whole
of
thrive
is
very
cross
cross
council
and
cross
city,
but
we'll
be
having
we'll
be
bringing
there's
two
people
from
planning
and
parts
and
countryside
that
are
coming
onto
the
thriving
board
just
just
to
work
on
the
green
space
issue.
K
We've
also
focused
a
lot
more
on
on
working
in
a
cross-directional
way
around
around
care
leaders
and
that's
partly
through
thriving,
in
partnership
with
corporate
parents
board.
But
I
also
chair
where
we've
got
really
brilliant
sort
of
cross-directional
work
between
housing
and
children's
around
our
care
leavers
and
who
often
are
in
in
housing
need
and
the
fact
they
are
our
children
and
what
that
means
and
what
it
means
for
how
the
housing
department
to
be
a
corporate
parent
in
terms
of
making
sure
care
leavers
are
appropriately
housed.
K
One
of
the
areas
that
we
need
to
focus
on
now
is
the
voice
of
children.
Young
people,
in
that,
when
we
set
up
thriving,
which
was
three
years
ago,
children
were
really
involved
pre
up
to
the
pandemic.
Actually
children
were
really
involved,
so
we
had
a
child-friendly
ambassador
event
on
child
poverty
that
was
held
at
catch
in
hills
that
was
hosted
by
children.
They
did
loads
of
the
presentations
and
that's
kind
of
dropped
off
a
bit
during
the
pandemic.
K
So
we
need
to
look
at
how
we
directly
have
children
young
people
involved
in
the
work
of
the
board,
but
in
a
way
that's
interesting
and
engaging
in
terms
of
you
know.
Long
meetings
aren't
always
that
attractive
to
children
and
they're
totally
zoomed
out,
so
our
voice
and
influence
team
have
struggled
a
bit
with
things
like
our
care
leaders
council
and
have
a
voice
counselor
in
terms
of
getting
children
young
people
to
engage
in
zoom
when
they're
having
to
do
it
all
the
time
for
studying.
K
So
that's
the
priority
for
the
next
few
months
is
how
we
re-engage
children
really
directly
in
the
work,
and
my
final
comment
is
one
that
I
make
every
time,
which
is
that,
as
a
politician,
it's
sort
of
quite
frustrating
really
that
we
don't,
as
a
local
council
control
the
levers
to
lift
people
out
of
poverty.
That's
that's
that
rests
with
national
government,
but
we
do
have
a
responsibility
to
ameliorate
the
impact
of
poverty
and
that's
what
per
that
wise
drive
exists
and
also
there's
a
really
strong
moral
imperative
to
the
work.
K
So,
even
if
we
can't
demonstrate
outcomes,
even
if
we
can't
demonstrate
that
healthy
holidays
and
feeding
children
in
school
holidays
means
they
get
better
exam
results,
we
will
still
do
it
because
it's
morally
wrong
that
children
hungry
so
there's
a
really
strong
moral
imperative
to
the
work,
as
well
as
having
a
solid
evidence
space
where
we
can
demonstrate
both
outputs
and
outcomes.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
councillor,
venice
sal.
Is
there
anything
you
wanted
to
add
at
this
point,
not
a
lot
of
cancel
them.
I
think.
L
L
Our
plan
with
have
fun
with
this.
A
We're
just
struggling
a
bit
with
your
your
connection.
You
sound
a
bit
like
you're
underwater,
so
I'm
about
to
persevere
from
it,
but
if
it's
worth
with
you,
logging
out
or
backing
or
anything
like
that,.
L
Okay,
I'm
happy
to
log
out
and
come
back
in.
That's.
A
Okay,
okay!
Well,
I
think
we've
had
a
really
good
introduction
from
councillor
venner.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
officers
kind
of
surprised
anything
you
wanted
to
to
chip
in
yep
go
ahead.
G
Just
very
briefly,
I
mean
I
think,
councillor
venera
is
completely
right
in
saying
that
that,
while
we
don't
have
some
of
the
levers
to
to
lift
people
out
of
poverty,
it
is
our
role
to
alleviate
some
of
the
the
effects
of
that
poverty.
And
I
just
wanted
to
to
highlight
one
statistic
in
the
report
when
we're
looking
specifically
at
free
school
meals
across
leeds
back
in
march
2020,
before
the
lock
down,
we
had
almost
26
000
children
on
free
school
meals
across
the
city.
G
Today,
that's
increased
by
around
30
percent
to
about
33
000
children
on
free
school
meals.
So
I
think
that
just
demonstrates.
G
We
have
this
work
on
child
poverty
to
do
before
the
pandemic,
actually,
the
the
volume
of
work
and
the
significance
of
that
poverty
and
how
much
that's
increased
over
the
past
18
months,
and
I
think
that
just
puts
into
context
the
scale
of
this
task-
and
I
think
that's
just
important
to
note.
A
A
F
Yes,
not
exactly
a
question
really.
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
the
inclusion
of
that
new
section
about
the
use
of
green
space
and
notice
that
part
of
the
report.
I
Is
is
necessarily
quite
short
at
the
moment.
There's
major
opportunities
there.
F
In
using
the
green
space-
and
I
one
one
thing
that's
not
mentioned-
is
the
possible
opportunity
for
use
of
our
hra
land
to
actually
start
to
possibly
grow
food
and
to
engage
people
in
actually
working
some
of
the
land
as
well.
That's,
yes,
okay,
so
that
was
the
only
part
I
wanted
to
sort
of
highlight.
C
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
council
forsake.
The
hands
are
leaping
up
now,
but
just
just
on
that
point
would
be
useful
to
to
understand
what
work
is
going
on
with
the
planning
department.
A
I
know
from
I
sit
on
development
plans
panel
and
myself
and
council
are
growing
and
others
have
been
pressing
hard
to
make
sure
there's
much
more
engagement
with
children
and
young
people
as
part
of
the
planning
process,
and
we're
pleased
to
hear
that
children
and
young
people
have
been
quite
heavily
engaged
in
the
in
the
local
plan,
update
one
around
climate
change
and
there's
very
positive
feedback
from
officers,
but
it
it
has
felt
a
battle
at
times
to
try
and
persuade
them
of
the
value
of
engaging
with
children
and
young
people
and
children
services.
A
D
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
there,
okay,
well
just
to
say
that
actually,
we've
had
a
lot
of
support
from
our
corporate
colleagues
and
I
think
really,
I
think,
on
the
back
of
the
pandemic,
the
lockdown.
You
know
the
impact
that
we
have
seen
on
children
and
families
who
haven't
had
access
to
open
space
to
green
space.
I
think
has
really
really
brought
the
issue
to
the
fore
like
never
before
so.
Actually,
we've
got
a
lot
of
support
going
on
across
corporately,
also
with
those
sector.
D
Colleagues,
local
community
groups-
and
so
I
think,
really
we're
now
we're
pushing
against
an
open
door.
If
you
like,
I
think,
there's
a
real
amendment
and
commitment,
I
think,
has
been
referenced
in
the
report.
It's
early
days
in
terms
of
the
work
stream,
but
we've
got
dates.
We've
got
meetings
in
place
now,
so
I
think
it
will
be
about
us
agreeing
and
some
really
clear
priorities
and
objectives
for
that
work
stream
and
to
really
see
some
direction
as
we
go
forward.
D
A
B
Thank
you
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about.
It
was
actually
something
that
I'd
read
in
the
national
press,
just
thinking
about
what
you
were
saying
fiona
in
relation
to
poverty
and
housing
in
particular-
and
I
was
just
concerned
by
an
article
that
I
was
reading
about
the
impact
particularly
of
inappropriate
housing
on
children
with
disabilities.
So
children
and
families
with
disabilities
really
are
just
thinking
it's
quite
striking.
B
What
what
you
and
jonathan
have
said
about
the
you
know
the
obviously
the
the
significance
of
increase
in
poverty
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
and
how
that's
impacting
on
families
and
the
changes
in
terms
of
availability
of
social
housing
versus
private
housing,
and
I
was
just
quite
concerned
to
read
this
article
about
the
impact
particularly
on
children
with
disabilities
and
to
what
extent
there'll
be
any
sort
of
focused
work
on
their
needs
and
particularly
in
the
context
of
obviously
what
you've
talked
about.
K
K
So
most
most
families
with
disabled
children
are
actually
living
in
poverty
and
yeah
housing's,
a
really
major
issue,
so
I
mean
as
a
council
in
terms
of
social
housing,
we
do
undertake
adaptations
for
families
where
they've
got
children
with
disabilities
in
private
houses,
as
well
as
in
our
own
in
our
own
housing
stock.
But
there
is.
There
is
no
doubt
that
the
pandemic
has
particularly
affected
families.
Who've
got
children
with
disabilities.
K
I've
had
quite
a
lot
of
direct
contact
from
families,
particularly
in
the
first
lockdown,
in
terms
of
the
isolation
that
people
were
experiencing
and
within
housing.
We
do
have
another
work
stream,
which
is
around
selective
licensing,
I'm
not
sure.
If
it's
a
conference
referred
to
in
this
report,
the
other
selecting
licensing,
we
have
a
selective
licensing
scheme
in
hair
hills
and
in
eastern
and
south
leeds.
So
that's
two
of
our
highest
depravation
areas
with
really
high
numbers
of
children.
K
I
mean
the
pandemic
really
impacted
on
this
in
that
officers,
weren't
able
to
go
in
and
do
house
visits,
but
this
is
about
raising
standards
in
the
private
sector.
It's
about
landlords
having
to
have
particular
licenses
and
part
of
it
is
a
rigorous
program
of
inspections
where
people
will
be
going
into
private,
rented
housing
which
and
that's
a
really
important
piece
of
joint
work
between
housing
and
children's.
It's
not
only
about
poverty.
A
C
Thank
you.
My
question
is
just
around
a
provision.
G
For
healthy
holidays,
obviously,
and
the
holiday
time
can
be
very
vulnerable.
C
Time
for
children
in
poverty-
and
I
welcome
the
provision-
that's
gone
on
for
healthy
holidays
and
provision
of
food
seems
to
be
particularly
successful.
I'm
just
keen
to
know
how
we
ensure
that
there's
a
fair
kind
of
geographical.
K
Yeah,
I'm
really
happy
to
pick
it
up.
I
was
wondering
if
this
sits
under
me
and
councillor
price,
so
cancer
crime
might
want
to
come
in
as
well.
It
is
a
it
is
a
limited
part
of
funding,
which
means
we
haven't
been
able
to
distribute
it
to
every
area
of
the
city
in
every
holiday.
K
It
has
been
targeted
at
the
areas
of
highest
deprivation,
which
is
obviously
the
right
thing
to
do
when
you've
got
a
limited
amount
of
money.
But
what
we
have
encouraged
areas
to
do
is
to
work
in
consortiums
and
to
work
in
partnership
with
other
areas,
so
that
out
of
areas
can
can
have
access
to
the
to
the
schemes
as
well,
and
it's
been
delivered
through
schools
and
community
hubs
and
third
sector
organizations
it
it.
It
is
really
successful,
correct
so
valley
development
just
deliver
it.
K
In
my
ward
and
I
spoke
to
the
manager
yesterday,
who
said
over
the
summer,
they
have
they've
had
something
I
think
it's
426
families
which
is
just
just
fantastic
and
and
it's
really
well
targeted,
so
it
is
targeting
children
that
access
free
schools.
I
think
the
reality
is
with
the
funding.
We've
had
access
to
that,
we've
had
ourselves
and
the
leaders
community
foundation
have
administered
the
reality
is
we
it
doesn't
reach
every
child
on
free
school
meals.
K
It's
not
enough
to
do
that,
so
we
do
have
to
target
it,
which
means
I
mean,
there's
loads
of
metrics,
that
inform
the
areas
that
goes
to
it.
It's
looking
at
free
school
meals,
looked
after
children
send
deprivation
in
areas.
So
it's
it's
really.
It's
really
well
considered
where
the
funding
goes,
but
the
reality
is
we
we
reach
as
many
children
as
we
possibly
can,
who
have
that
who
we're
entitled
to
three
schools,
but
we
can't
reach
every
single
one.
K
We've
also
done
some
things
like
giving
schools
themselves
access
to
resources.
So,
for
example,
when
we've
given
schools
hampers
to
give
give
out
we've
given
them
10
more
then
they've
got
children
on
free
school
meals,
so
they
can
make
some
judgements
about
the
families
that
are
just
below
the
preschool
meal
threshold,
but
may
still
be
struggling.
So
we've
worked
with
schools
as
well
to
access
as
many
children
and
families,
as
we
can.
A
C
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
leads
and
page
15
talks
about
the
measures
of
child
poverty.
The
government
has
two
measures,
one
that
is
60
of
the
uk
average
17
760
and
absolute
poverty
at
13
166.
C
That
says
what
is
our
leads
definition
of
poverty,
or
do
we
just
do
we
just
look
at
people's
circumstances
rather
than
a
financial
number
like
the
government
uses
the
second,
so
I'd
like
to
better
understand
the
leads
definition
other
than
because
it
goes
on
to
talk
about
causes
of
child
poverty
straight
underneath,
but
it
doesn't
say
that
that's
the
definition,
so
I
just
want
to
understand
the
leads
definition
a
bit
better
and
secondly,
we
compare
ourselves
to
national
figures
and
regional
figures.
C
So
it
would
be
nice
to
know
how
we
compare
with
courses.
Thank
you.
A
D
I
think,
in
terms
of
I
suppose
the
leads
approach
to
you
know
identifying
children,
families
that
are
living
in
poverty.
Obviously
we
have
those
natural
national
definitions.
I
think
in
needs
really.
I
think
it
is
about
the
impact
on
the
children.
You
know
in
the
family-
and
I
think
you
know
that's
for
me-
is
about
back
to
our
values
our
principles,
about
having
the
right
conversation
at
the
right
time
with
individual
children
and
families.
So
I
think
you
know
the
in
that
sense.
The
door
is
not
closed.
D
I
think
it
is
about
us
working
together
together
as
a
system
within
children
and
families,
but
with
our
partners
to
identify
the
impact
of
poverty
on
children
and
families,
and
I
think
that's
about
it
being
very
needs-led.
I
mean
obviously
in
terms
of
some
of
the
funding
that
comes
into
the
city.
There
is
national
criteria
around
that,
so
we
have
no
leeway
in
terms
of
that
in
terms
of
how
we
use
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
julie.
Can
I
bring
in
councillor
renshaw
next,
please.
J
Thank
you
chair,
I'd
just
like
to
ask
if
there
are
any
ways
of
projecting
now
that
universal
credit's
going
to
be
cut
along
with
many
other
things
and
more
adults
will
be
going
back
to
the
furloughed
scheme
of
work
which
may
bring
more
poverty
actually
into
families
of
young
people,
and
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
any
projected
figures
and
now
we're
going
to
tackle
that
in
the
increase
in
poverty
which
will
impact
on
the
mental
health
and
well-being
of
young
people.
J
So
I
just
wonder
if
there
are
any
plans
in
place
for
the
mental
health
and
well-being
of
young
people
which
we're
already
struggling
due
to
the
lack
of
funding,
obviously
through
the
to
our
budget,
that's
shrinking
every
year
year
on
year.
So
what
can
we
do
with
the
council
in
order
to
help
those
young
people.
K
Yeah
there's
a
do
sorry
chair.
Is
it
okay
for
me
to
come
back
on
that,
so
some
of
that
some
of
that
projections
happen
nationally,
some
of
it's
happening
locally.
So,
for
example,
I
referred
to
the
reality
foundation
of
estimated
200
000
families
who
have
fallen
to
poverty
because
of
the
20
pound
uplift
being
removed.
We
know
in
later
50
000
people
on
furlough.
I
think
that's
right.
K
Jonathan
will
correct
me.
If
it's
not
so
we
have
got
some.
This
is
the
piece
of
work
that
we've
been
doing
so
that
we
can
plan
for
the
impact
in
the
autumn
of
all
these
things
happening
at
once
like
further
ending
trying
to
find
uplift
ending
etcetera
council
venture.
K
I
raised
this
in
this
started
as
a
project
within
children's
because
of
thriving
because
of
thrive,
but
I
also
sit
on
the
mental
health
partnership
board
and
a
chair
future
mine,
which
is
the
children's
mental
health
strategy
board,
and
I
raised
this
at
the
mental
health
partnership
board
because
we
know
from
the
suicide
audits
we've
done
in
the
city
that
increasingly
in
each
subsequent
audit
and
they're
always
covering
three
years.
Worklessness
finance
and
debt
has
been
an
increasingly
presenting
issue.
K
So
we
know
it
has
potentially
devastating
consequences
for
adults
and
children,
so
it
felt
important
that
that
work
actually
became
adults
and
children.
So
the
work
around
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
the
impact
of
the
autumn
is
happening
across
adults
and
children's
and
we've.
I
think
future
in
mind,
are
going
to
present
the
next
scrutiny
board
or
the
one
after
that.
K
So
we
know
that
the
two
really
really
big
impacts
of
the
pandemic
that
are
falling
particularly
hard
on
children
and
the
mental
health
impact
and
the
economic
impact
and
the
obviously
they
also
overlap
into
intersect.
You
know
affects
each
other,
so
there's
a
huge
amount
of
work
happening
around
children's
mental
health
in
the
city,
which
is
very
much
in
the
context
of
covid
in
the
context
of
child
poverty.
J
I'll
just
ask
maybe
jonathan
as
well
council
prior
is:
are
the
schools
doing
any
work
to
prepare
themselves
for
this,
especially
well
all
the
schools
throughout
the
city
to
prepare
themselves
to
to
help
deal
and
tackle
the
mental
health
issues
that
will
be
sort
of
on
board
with
families
that
they
probably
didn't
expect
it
with.
J
To
support
those
families
that
would
already
on
the
poverty
line,
but
not
quite
clusters,
living
in
poverty.
G
Yeah
from
conversations
I've
had
with
schools,
a
lot
of
schools
will
be
running
kind
of
their
own
programs.
I
know
some
academy
chains
do
as
well
as
well
as
kind
of
the
more
city-wide
things.
It
is
kind
of
just
straight
slightly
from
this.
The
scrutiny
board
when
we're
talking
about
kind
of
furlough
and
the
end
of
furlough,
but
obviously
employment
is
part
of
my
remit
as
well,
and
we
all
do.
G
I
just
want
to
reassure
the
board
that
we're
also
doing
quite
a
hefty
bit
of
work
to
kind
of
shift
around
some
of
our
employment
practices
and
kind
of
before
the
pandemic.
A
lot
of
our
work
was
geared
at
those
kind
of
furthest
from
employment.
Those
who'd
maybe
been
on
long
term
sick
or
you
know
kind
of
what
we
needed
to
do
to
get
them
back
into
the
world
of
work
with
furlough
ending.
G
We
may
be
in
a
situation
where
we've
got
a
large
proportion
of
highly
employable
people
who
suddenly
find
themselves
unemployed,
so
we're
doing
work
with
businesses
across
the
city
just
seeing
what
we
can
do
to
basically
turn
people
around
and
get
them
straight
back
out
into
work.
So,
yes,
absolutely
that
work
is
being
done
on
kind
of
what's
going
to
happen.
J
A
That
does
come
to
us
on
a
regular
basis.
Council
adventure
anyway.
So
we
can
certainly
keep
an
eye
on
that
and
I
just
want
to
ask
councillor
if
we
know
just
to
help
with
the
indications
of
the
I
mean
if
we,
if
we
take
account
of
roughly
50
000
people
on
furlough,
do
we
is
there
a
figure
of
how
many
of
them
have
been
doing
other
employment
while
they've
been
on
furlough,
which
would
help
to
give
us
a
clue
as
to
how
many
are
going
to
be
in
a
a
difficult
situation
afterwards,.
G
A
Fair
enough
yeah
just
be
useful,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
forget
that
you
can
still
do
other
other
work
if
you're
on
furlough
and
many
people
will
just
seamlessly
they'll
they'll
be
doing
quite
nicely
in
some
cases,
because
they've
been
getting
80
of
their
their
previous
wage
and
100
of
the
wage
of
their
other
work
and
they'll
see
a
drop
off,
but
it'd
just
be
useful
to
to
know
and
help
us
to
understand
what
that
impact
is
going
to
be
when
furlough
unwinds.
M
Yeah,
I'm
just
going
to
do
some
thanksgiving.
I
was
just
going
to
pick
up
on
council
rancho's
point
about
whether
schools
were
prepared
for
the
mental
health
and
well-being
of
the
young
people
and
from
our
discussions
with
schools
over
the
last
particularly
the
last
six
months.
There's
a
significant
amount
of
preparation
and
planning
from
schools
that
they've
been
putting
that
in
their
development
plans,
of
how
they're
going
to
support
those
young
people.
M
I've
had
a
significant
impact
on
on
their
well-being,
their
mental
health,
as
as
well
as
their
education
and
lots
of
the
schools
are
linked
in
with
support.
That's
coming
from
teams
that
work
with
val
in
in
terms
of
all
the
the
menthol
and
health
mental
health
development
for
their
for
their
staff
to
support
the
young
people.
So
I
think
that
schools
have
done
a
significant
amount
of
work
and
are
very
prepared
for
those
those
issues.
A
Thank
you
that
I
see
val
and
julie.
I've
both
got
your
hands
up
to
come
in,
julie
was
fastest
to
unmute,
so
I'll
bring
you
in
first.
In
fact,
there
are
quite
a
few
members
waiting,
so
if
I
just
encourage
you
both
to
be
as
brief
as
you
can
please
thank
you.
D
That's
councillor
yeah.
I
just
wanted
just
to
reiterate
you
know.
As
councillor
venice
said,
I
think
it's
referenced
in
the
report
about
the
group
that
we've
pulled
together
from
children's
services,
adult
services
and
key
partners
really
to
take
a
proactive
approach
to,
I
suppose,
combating
mitigating
the
impact
of
the
reduced
income
for
children
and
families,
and
within
that
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
children's
centers
early
help
hubs.
The
targeted
services
leads
in
the
clusters
to
really
reach
out
in
terms
of
a
awareness
raising
the
children
and
families.
D
A
Thanks
julie
and
val,
did
you
want
to
to
add
something
at
this
point.
D
Yes,
very
very
quickly,
council,
just
to
reassure
members
really
an
awful
lot
of
resources
have
gone
into
schools
and
are
accessible
to
schools
and
that
the
educational
psychology
team
are
currently
making
visits
to
every
single
school
across
the
authority,
one
to
find
out
how
things
are
going
right
at
the
beginning
of
term
and
to
identify
any
specific
needs
in
young
people
or
any
specific
needs
in
terms
of
additional
resources
and
support
them
for
the
training.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
I
appreciate
everybody's
patience.
There's
still
a
few
people
with
hands
up,
I'm
just
going
through
in
the
order
that
they
went
up
so
I
will
get
to
you
so
councillor
brooks
is
next.
Please.
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
I'm
going
to
sort
of
go
back
to
planning.
Sorry,
it's
it's
one
of
my
things
because,
because
I
I'm
an
inner
city
representative,
I
have
to
say
like
70
to
80
of
my
case.
Work
is
housing
related,
and
so
my
my
motivation
comes
from
this
lived
experience.
D
My
constituents,
but
I
am,
I
am
encouraged
that
the
the
department
is
going
to
be
liaising
more
closely
with
planning
but
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
like
affordables
and
action
on
affordables
I'd
just
like
to
know,
because
obviously,
housing
costs
are
one
of
the
highest
costs
and
one
of
the
main
causes
of
poverty
according
to
the
joseph
roundtree
foundation.
D
So
I
just
I'd
just
like
to
know
how
how
much
information
is
shared
with
the
planning
department
from
from
child-friendly
leads
and
the
data?
That's
that's
gathered
because
I
really.
I
really
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
bigger,
a
bigger
emphasis
on
on
delivering
affordables,
not
just
social
housing,
but
also
affordable,
housing.
A
Yeah
thanks
councillor
brooks
and
if
I
can
just
add
something
to
that,
usually
the
engagement
with
the
planning
department
tends
to
be
around
education
on
specific
applications
and
I
think
there's
something
for
corporately
the
the
children's
department
to
think
about,
perhaps
paying
more
attention
to
applications
that
are
coming
in
and
submitting
comments
about
how
they
will
impact
children
and
young
people.
A
There
should
be
an
assessment
done,
but
it
tends
to
be
a
bit
tokenistic
in
in
my
experience,
councillor
caroline
grew
might
want
to
comment
as
well
as
chair
of
a
planning
committee,
but
I
feel
that
there
could
be
a
much
stronger
relationship
and
actually
living
in
the
exact
opposite
to
council
brooks
I
represent
aboard,
which
is
very
green,
although
it's
not
not
anywhere
near
as
much
as
you
might
think
is
accessible.
But
there
are
lots
of
places
to
walk
to
play.
A
Most
people
live
close
or
close
enough
to
walk
to
to
some
green
space,
lots
of
nice
places
to
walk
and
exercise,
and
you
should
really
see
the
benefit
to
children
and
young
people
of
that,
and
I
I'm
as
passionate
as
councillor
brooks
is
about
trying
to
and
counseling
with
if
he
was
here
would
be
making
these
points
as
well.
But
having
that
access
to
green
space
in
inner
city
areas
is
really
something
that
should
be
given
a
much
much
bigger
priority.
N
K
I'll
make
a
couple
of
comments,
but
I
do
think
it
would
be
good
to
go
to
caroline
to
councillor
grew
in
after
me.
If
that's,
I
know
slightly
out
of
sequence,
but
I
think
the
point's
probably
on
this
in
this
area
I
used
to
chair
development
plans
panel
out,
but
at
the
height
of
the
kind
of
site
allocations
plan
process,
and
actually,
I
have
to
say
I
would
have
really
welcomed
the
input
of
children.
It
would
have
been
a
lot
easier
to
communicate
with
than
some
of
the
people
I
needed
till.
K
I
ate
it
at
that
time
and
actually,
when
chair,
when
you
did
the
scrutiny
inquiry
about
its
leads
child
felicity,
I
know
that
planning
came
out
as
one
of
the
areas
where
there
does
need
to
be
increased
liaison
between
children's
and
planning,
and
I
think
we
would
all
welcome
that.
Just
to
give
you
a
practical
example
of
where
that
has
happened,
and
this
was
instigated
by
by
councillor
gruen.
K
It
used
to
be
the
case
that
when
a
private
sector
organization
set
up
a
children's
home
anywhere
in
the
city,
it
would
they'd
apply
for
planning
permission
to
do
that.
But
it
wouldn't
come
to
the
children's
services,
it
wouldn't
come
to
children's
services.
K
K
So
that's
an
example
where,
where
communication
is
better
than
it
was
between
planning
and
between
planning
and
children's,
but
in
terms
of
affordable
homes,
I
think
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
that's
necessary,
but
we
are
working
within
really
frustrating
national
planning
legislation,
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
affordable
housing
doesn't
mean
affordable,
it
means
percentage
of
the
cost
of
the
other
houses
in
the
scheme.
So,
yes
and
again,
I
think
this
is
an
area
where
it
feels
like.
We
don't
have
to
leave
us
to
change
this
nationally.
K
We're
dealing
with
the
impact
of
poor
quality
housing
and
the
impact
of
not
having
enough
housing
stock.
You
know
like
councillor,
brooks
I've
got
an
inner
city
ward,
so
it's
predominantly
housing
case
work
and
not
enough
housing
stock.
Not
enough
affordable
housing
is
the
is
the
main
issue,
but
it's
a
nation.
It's
an
issue
within
national
legislation.
There's
a
really
limited
amount
to
what
we
can
do
to
change
that
locally,
we're
much
more
ending
up
dealing
with
ameliorating
the
impact.
Thank
you
chair.
A
H
Yes,
it
is
on
this
subject,
sir,
because
you
invited
me
to
comment,
so
I
thought
I
would
give
my
zenith
on
on
this
one.
Yes,
I
mean
I,
I
know
that
you
are
passionate
and
many
members
of
the
development
plan
are
passionate
about
this
issue
about
making
places
to
live,
and
that
includes
places
for
children
to
live
happily
and
comfortably,
and-
and
I
would
just
point
to
some
strategic
things,
some
of
which
are
actually
out
of
the
council's
control,
but
all
of
which
the
council
could
work
towards.
H
More
about
where
it
is
in
its
dimensions
and
form,
and
so
on
so
there's
lots
of
room
for
improvement
there.
As
you
mentioned
chair,
I
think
that
the
involvement
of
young
people's
views
in
the
planning
arena
has
long
been
sought
and,
although
we're
beginning
to
chip
away
at
that
one,
we
absolutely
are
not
there.
And
one
of
the
issues
I
have
around
the
planning
service
is
that
it's
a
very,
in
my
view.
H
I
could
really
understand
the
construction
of
those
reports,
and
I
think
it
really
is
down
to
us
to
present
young
people
with
something
that
they
can
really
understand
and
make
sense
of,
and
they
would
make
a
massive
contribution,
for
example,
towards
what
we
consider
to
be
good
play
areas
for
children.
I'm
sure
that
they
would
be
able
to
ensure
that
we
do
a
lot
better
than
we
do
actually
in
that
arena.
H
So
I
do
think
children
are
a
priority.
The
the
other
big,
I
won't
call
it
a
barrier.
The
big
challenge
that
we
have
in
this
area
has
got
to
be
the
developers,
and
I
think
it's
down
to
us
to
develop
better
partnerships
with
developers,
but
developers
will
only
do
what
results
in
a
profit
for
them,
so
it
can
be
really
hard
work,
getting
developers
to
give
sufficient
attention
to
placemaking
that
is
suitable
for
families
and
families
in
all
income
groups.
A
Yeah,
no,
it's
really
helpful.
Councillor
grew
and
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
in
it
and
linking
it
back,
which
was
councillor
brooks's
point
for
raising.
This
is
the
impact
that
this
has
on
on
poverty
and
child
poverty
makes
it
a
prize
worth
pursuing
and
things
like,
perhaps
trying
to
engage
corporately
with
the
developers
at
a
high
level
to
get
them
on
board
with
the
child
friendly
ambitions
and
get
them
to
understand,
actually
what
a
big
impact
they
can
have
in
what
they
do.
A
It
is
one
of
the
the
real
key
drivers,
so
it's
perhaps
something
we
might
even
want
to
look
at
doing
a
bit
more
work
on
as
a
board.
We've
done
piece
of
work
previously,
but
it
it
could
have
a
huge
impact
if
we
could
address
it.
So
I
don't
know,
did
anyone
else
want
to
comment
sal
or
council
of
energies?
You
want
to
come
back
on
any
of
that.
L
Thank
you,
don't
move
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
really
do
take
on
board
the
points
that
have
been
made
in
relation
to
this,
and
you
know
one
of
the
that's
why
we've
got
the
one
of
the
priorities
through
thriving
to
be
the
greens,
green
spaces,
work
stream,
and
so
hopefully
we'll
start
to
get
some
feedback
back
in
in
our
regular
updates
through
thriving
about
the
work
that's
going
on
there.
L
But
I
also
take
the
points
that
have
been
raised
around
our
engagement
with
planning
and
when,
when
major
programs
do
come
through
from
different
parts
of
the
council,
they
do
come
through
the
corporate
leadership
team
which
we
are
present,
and
it
is
my
role
there
to
champion
children
within
within
that
process.
And
so
you
know
I
do
raise
that
issue
in
terms
of
whether
those
whether
those
plans
and
programs
fully
consider
the
needs
of
children.
L
So
there's
a
kind
of
championship
championing
role
that
I
undertake
there.
But
I
also
accept
that
some
more
dedicated
and
formal
liaison
with
planning
department
and
can
take
place
and
I'll
pick
that
up.
A
Thank
you,
sal,
okay,
so
I
I
really
do
appreciate
everybody's
patience
so
far,
councillor
flint
was
next
on
the
list.
Please.
B
Oh,
thank
you
yeah.
I
think
this
brought
report
is
brilliant
and
I'm
really
proud
that
we're
prioritizing
child
poverty
across
all
departments,
and
I
really
welcome
the
addition
of
looking
at
access
to
green
space.
I
guess
I
was
from
my
experience
of
use,
work
thinking
about
how
poverty
needs
to
to
be
to
have
a
fully
rounded
picture
of
child
poverty.
We
need
to
really
emphasize
like
poverty
of
opportunity
as
well
and
as
well.
B
In
addition
to
this
stream
for
green
space,
maybe
we
need
to
prioritize
more
access
to
creativity
and
the
arts,
because
I
think
children
and
I
guess,
highlighted
by
the
pandemic-
it's
such
a
vital
part
of
kind
of
having
an
outlet
and
improving
mental
health
having
access
to
the
arts,
and
I
think,
when
we
look
at
joining
poverty,
there's
a
real
lack
of
opportunity.
B
So
I
think
we
really
need
to
prioritize
as
a
council
looking
at
that
and
from
my
sociology
days,
looking
at
kind
of
the
inverse
care
law,
even
though
we
put
things
out
to
be
available
like
who
is
actually
accessing
these.
Is
it
the
children
that
actually
need
it?
So
I
think
when
we
talk
about
kind
of
programs
for
helping
children
living
in
poverty
with
their
mental
health,
a
lot
of
the
time
children
don't
want
to
sit
around
and
talk
about
their
mental
health.
B
They
want
to
do
something
and
that
might
be
sport,
but
it
might
be
reading.
It
might
be
theater,
it
might
be
dancing
and
we
just
need
to
really
look
at
equal
access
and
opportunity
yeah
to
arts
and
culture,
as
well
as
the
green
space.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
council
flint.
Anyone
want
to
pick
up
on
those
points,
dave.
M
Yeah,
just
just
briefly
in
terms
of
the
I
think,
there's
a
there's,
a
real
hope
and
desire
council
effect
that
the
work
around
the
year
of
culture
will
feed
very
much
into
that
agenda
that
you're
talking
about
there.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
going
around
councilwide
in
terms
of
development
of
the
arts
and
we've
just
from
a
school
point
of
view.
We've
already
had
those
very
early
conversations
with
head
teachers
about
how
we
can
engage
schools
and
settings
with
the
the
year
of
culture
to
promote
the
culture
and
the
arts.
A
I
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
I
was
kind
of
focusing
on
the
employment
and
transition
section,
because
that
is
an
area
that
I
do
get
involved
with.
I'm
aware
that
traditionally,
children
from
you
know
these
poverty
backgrounds,
there
are
poor
outcomes
in
terms
of
progression
and
I'm
wondering
if
anybody
can
give
me
if
there
are
any
stats
which
show
how
the
covid
has
impacted.
I
It
was
really
good
to
see
the
responses
to
this
to
talk
about
the
work
which
is
already
going
on,
and
you
know
we
talk
about
the
arts
and
all
these
things
which
are
already
happening,
but
I'm
interested
to
see
whether
schools
are
being
directly
engaged
to
actually
positively
focus
on
these
particularly
vulnerable
groups
of
children.
A
Okay,
thank
you
who
can
respond
to
that.
Please.
A
N
Yeah,
I'm
erica
hines,
I'm
the
knock
to
19
league
and
we
are
actually
doing
a
a
lot
of
work
to
try
and
promote
and
positive
destinations
for
all
pupils
and
and
particularly
for
the
more
disadvantaged,
but
to
get.
What
we're
actually
currently
doing
is
asking
all
schools
to
contact
the
fif
15
to
20
of
last
year's
year.
N
11
cohort
prioritizing
the
most
vulnerable
and
also
those
who
intended
to
do
an
apprenticeship
and
confirm
that
they've
reached
their
destination
and
if
they
haven't
we're
asking
careers
advisors
to
work
with
the
young
people
in
the
first
instance
to
secure
a
positive
destination
and
if
further
support
is
required
to
contact
the
leeds
pathways
team.
So
that
and
we're
getting
we're
we're
responding
much
more
quickly
than
usual
to
to
young
people
who
are
potentially
neat
than
we
have
done
in
the
past.
A
Thank
you
erica,
so
it's
councillor
flynn
next,
please
thank
you
for
your
patience.
E
Thanks
alan
emma
and
I
are
getting
thoroughly
confused
with
our
names
being
so
similar.
I
think
this
one's
for
sal.
We
had
this
conversation
style
about
18
months
or
so
ago.
One
of
the
keys
to
escaping
poverty
obviously
is
education,
and
I
think
we
agree
that
the
earlier
we
start
the
better,
but
it's
always
simplistic.
I
think
you
said
when
we
last
spoke
about
this
to
sort
of
correlate.
E
You
know
an
earlier
start
with
with
outcomes
of
the
later
life,
but
it
certainly
can't
do
any
any
harm.
I
was
just
looking
at
the
the
the
early
years
and
the
take-up
of
three
nursery
places
on
pages
39
and
40.,
and
I
don't
think
it's
any
surprise
to
see
that
the
the
three
areas
which
are
suffering
most
from
from
a
low
take-up
path,
beeston,
hair
hills
and
burman
tufts,
and
I
think
we
talked
in
terms
of
the
the
specific
difficulties
that
surround
us
all-
those
three
areas.
E
It
doesn't
seem
to
have
moved
much
since
we
last
spoke
sal.
But
of
course
covid
is
in
has
intervened,
and
I
just
wondered.
I
know
what
your
targets
are,
no
problem
at
all
with
those,
but
getting
those
two-year-olds
or
the
two-year-old
cohort
up
to
the
90
percent
from
where
they
are
now,
particularly
in
the
likes
of
hair
pills,
looks
a
massive
task.
L
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think,
you've
identified.
You
know
the
key
issue
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
corvid
there
in
terms
of
us
being
able
to
do
much
about
this.
L
We
did
when
we
had
this
conversation
before
talk
about
series
of
measures
that
we
had
in
place
that
were
aimed
at
really
targeting
those
children
and
young
people
to
co,
to
engage
in
taking
up
their
two-year-old
places
and
we're
taking
a
series
of
measures
by
looking
at
places
where
this
was
better
than
in
leeds
and
so
we'd
looked
at
plans
that
we'd
that
newcastle
had
implemented,
and
there
were
some
relatively
straightforward,
low-cost
no-cost
type
of
approaches
that
we
could
take
and
we
wanted
to
implement
those.
L
But
obviously
we've
had
to
respond
to
how
matters
have
progressed
in
terms
of
corvid
we've
been
providing
services
around
earlier
on
early
years,
services
have
been
providing
during
the
pandemic
have
had
to
provide
services
from
hubs
rather
than
from
every
single
children's
center
being
open.
Private
providers
have
been
hit
significantly
through
the
pandemic,
but
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
to.
L
We
are
now
obviously
getting
back
up
to
speed
in
terms
of
children
using
our
own
children
centers,
but
through
the
pandemic
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
supporting
particularly
the
private
sector
in
terms
of
early
years
in
child
care,
and
we
developed
stronger
relationships
with
the
sector.
I
think
in
that
period
of
time,
so
I
would,
I
would
say
that
we've
got
the
potential
now,
if
the
you
know,
if
we're
getting
back
to
some
sense
of
normality,
to
try
and
build
on
the
plans
that
we
had
previously.
L
We've
also
engaged
with
the
organization
called
nester
who
are
going
to
help
us
with
an
analysis
around
strong
analysis
about
of
how
we
collect
the
data
and
an
analysis
of
the
data
to
help
us
with
driving
forward
plans
to
really
improve
this,
because
I
think
there's
plenty
of
evidence
around,
as
you
say
that
actually
impacting
very
early
and
children
and
young
people
makes
a
massive
difference
in
terms
of
their
outcomes
as
adults.
I
know
others
might
want
to
pick
up
on
bits
more
of
that
detail.
A
D
Three,
possibly
five-year
partnership
with
nestor
and
the
whole
focus
is
on
reimagining
our
early
years
services
across
the
city,
we've
had
a
discovery
phase,
and
in
that
discovery,
phase
we've
identified
the
key
priorities,
one
of
which
is
around
tick,
with
a
two-year-old
offer
doing
a
lot
of
work.
D
In
terms
of
you
know,
why
is
it
that
as
an
example,
some
children
centered
and
are
doing
better
than
others
when
actually
the
demographics-
and
you
know
the
areas
are
similar,
so
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work
going
on
and
you
know
look
forward
to
perhaps
updating
the
board
at
future
meetings,
because
I
think
there
will
definitely
be
some
really
great
outcomes
as
a
result.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
julie,
so
I'm
going
to
take
celia
and
then
jackie
and
then
the
responses
to
those
points
and
then
just
if
there's
any
final
points
from
councillor
fenner
prior
or
sal
before
we
we
just
sum
up
and
then
move
on
so
celia.
Please
thank.
J
You
and
thank
you
councillor
flynn,
because
she
set
that
up
very
well.
My
question
is
about
children's
centers
and
I
am
aware
of
the
nest
of
work
going
on.
I
attend
the
learning
for
life,
update
meetings
for
unions
and
it
sounds
very
interesting.
My
question
about
the
children's
centres
is:
I'm
really
aware
of
that.
The
culvert
had
a
big
impact
on
their
ability
to
remain
open.
J
There
were
partial,
closer
closures
and
full
closures,
and
I'm
also
aware
that
staffing
recruitment
issues
are
still
a
problem
so
that
again,
and
councillor
flynn
asked
them
about
how
do
we
get
more
take
up
in
areas
of
need,
but
also
how?
How
do
we
support,
because
coming
this
win
autumn
and
winter,
it's
likely
we're
going
to
have
some
of
the
same
issues
with
corbid?
J
How
can
we
support
the
children's
centers,
both
the
local
authority
ones
and
the
private
ones
to
to
remain
open
and
and
allow
parents
to
to
actually
carry
on
working?
In
many
cases,.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Celia
and
jackie.
Do
you
want
to
make
your
point
as
well
and
then
we
can
do
the
responses
and
then
wrap
up
on
this
section.
F
Yeah
mine
is
a
different
one,
completely
I'm
looking
at
the
young
people
status,
who
is
not
known.
It's
like
the
neat
figures
like
between
the
knees
and
the
not
known
we're
going
over
a
thousand
children,
and
my
question
is:
is
it
are
the
figures
that
high
for
the
not
known
because
the
six
forum
providers
or
the
apprenticeships
people
haven't
come
back
yet
to
us
to
say
where
they've
gone?
F
Are
they
just
not
known,
and
nobody
knows
where
they
are
and
because
I
thought
over
the
years
in
the
last
10
years,
I've
been
on
the
board.
We've
been
quite
good
at
knowing
where
people
have
gone,
and
I
know
with
apprenticeships
over
the
corvid.
A
lot
of
apprenticeships
didn't
happen
because
I
I
know
people
would
you
know
the
vacancies
weren't
there
or
else
because
the
covet
couldn't
start
so
I
was
thinking.
Are
they
starting
now
or
what's
happening?
A
D
It's
absolutely
right
to
say
that
our
own
children's
centers
have
had
you
know
significant
challenge
and
during
the
pandemic
you
know
as
a
result
of
infections
and
stuff
having
to
self-isolate
just
the
national
guidance
around
that
and-
and
you
know,
as
has
been
said-
it's
it's
not
just
you
know
little
hours,
our
own
children's
and
it's
right
across
the
piste
in
terms
of
all
of
the
early
years
day
care
providers
in
leeds.
D
We
have
regular
bronze
meetings
with
all
of
those
providers,
and
that
does
provide
a
forum
really
to,
I
suppose,
share
the
challenges
problem
solve
and
you
know,
try
to
take
a
coordinated
approach
where
we
can
to
particular
problems
and
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
within
our
little
l's
centers
is.
We
have
increased
the
number
of
apprenticeships
across
the
piste
as
a
response
to
this
particular
challenge.
D
So
we've
now
got
an
increased
taking
of
apprenticeships,
so
that
will
really
enable
us
to
grow
our
own
because
we've
got
to
have
our
eye
on
the
future
as
well,
because
I
don't
think
that
this
is
an
issue.
That's
going
to
go
away
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
recruit
into
the
sector.
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
have
done
is
we're
forming
a
relationship
with
migration,
yorkshire.
D
So
again,
looking
at
individuals
who
perhaps
have
been
newly
arrived
into
the
city
as
an
example
who
may
well
have
a
wealth
of
experience,
whether
that's
professional,
whether
that's
through
bringing
up
their
own
children
and
their
own
families,
and
so
we
have
a
real
strategy
around
this.
It's
trying
to
think
a
little
bit
outside
of
the
box
and
a
little
bit
more
creatively,
and
you
know,
but
I
have
to
say
it
has
been
a
challenge
and,
and
it
does
continue
to
be
a
challenge.
G
G
We
did
as
a
council
make
a
guarantee
and
the
guarantee
still
stands
that
anyone
who
has
an
apprenticeship
disrupted
by
covid
and
say
they
were
part
way
through
the
council
will
will
intervene
to
ensure
that
they
can
finish
that
apprenticeship,
so
that's
either
by
matching
them
up
with
a
new
employer
or
kind
of
finding
the
funding
for
for
the
current
one
to
to
finish
that
qualification.
G
D
Quickly
in
response
to
jackie's
question-
and
that
was
around
those
figures
of
children
from
education-
yes,
particularly
those
that
are
at
the
level
where
they're
school
leavers,
leaving
schools
and
into
colleges
and
going
into
other
local
authorities
neighbouring
authorities,
we
do
sometimes
have
issues
that
are
around
actually
the
data
collection
where
young
people
have
joined
the
role
of
a
college,
it's
outside
of
leeds
it's
an
enabling
authority
and
they
collect
their
data
at
different
times
to
the
way
that
we
can
then
present
it.
D
So
we
are
working
very
closely
with
those
individual
institutions
and
this
year
we're
seeing
a
far
better
return
so
that
we're
knowing
where
young
people
are
some
of
it
and
the
work
that
is
being
done
at
the
moment
around
need
is
very
much
that
we
often
have
destinations
for
young
people
when
they're
leaving
school
some
of
the
issues
that
they
maintain
that
placement
you
know
over
the
following
year
after
they've
left
school.
So
again,
we've
got
a
whole
program
of
work.
That's
addressing
that
in
terms
generally
of
children
missing
education.
D
We
have
got
a
whole
again
the
priority
that
is
looking
at
those
children
that
are
missing
education
and
what
the
reasons
the
rationales
are
for
that
and
whether
it's
safeguarding
knocking
on
doors,
which
we
do
on
a
regular
basis
of
children
that
you
know
have
not
attended
school,
have
not
returned
to
school
in
september,
there's
a
whole
program
of
safeguarding
where
we
go.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
There's
a
quick
question
from
councillor
flynn
in
the
chat,
if
so,
who's
best
place
to
respond
to
that
one.
Please.
D
Jump
in
canada,
I
was
just
typing
into
the
chat
and
just
to
say
that
this
is.
This
is
an
example
of
the
very
issue
that
we
are
looking
at
in
more
detail
through
the
nestor
program.
So
there's
something
about
unpicking
our
data
diving
into
the
data,
but
as
an
example,
we've
just
had
a
focus
group
with
parents
from
from
here
hills
from
that
area,
just
to
engaging
with
them.
You
know
to
find
out
from
them.
Why
is
it?
What
are
the
reasons?
What
are
the
barriers?
D
There's
already
some
initial
learning
around
that
in
terms
of
the
sorts
of
activities,
issues
around
english,
not
being
first
language,
issues
around
speech
and
language,
so
we're
really
getting
into
the
detail
to
understand
the
barriers
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
the
solutions
to
have
an
improved
picture.
A
Yep,
thank
you
for
that
julie.
So
I
think
that's
been
a
really
useful,
an
interesting
session
just
for
for
members
information.
This
is
an
item
that
comes
to
us
every
six
months.
So
it's
due
again
in
march,
we've
got
a
commitment
from
councillor
prior
to
come
back
with
a
little
bit
of
information
around
furlough
and
and
some
statistics
around
that
I
wouldn't
suggest.
A
If,
if
you're
agreeable
and
sal
and
council
are
venerably
agreeable,
and
you
please
favor
to
respond
when
you
sum
up
in
a
second
that
perhaps
might
be
appropriate
for
me,
on
behalf
of
the
board,
to
write
to
the
chief
planning
officer
to
to
raise
some
of
the
issues
we've
discussed
today
and
invite
him
to
come
to
that
session,
which
I
think
will
be
in
march
when
we're
discussing
this
again
to
see
what
to
sort
of
look.
A
Look
for
sort
of
a
joint
action
plan
between
sal
and
mr
feeney
to
see
how
those
issues
can
be
picked
up
and
how
we
can
get
better
engagement
between
children
and
families
and
and
the
planning
department.
And
that
would
give
six
months
to
to
sort
of
look
and
start
thinking
about
that
and
have
some
conversations
and-
and
I
can
show
you
castle
green
and
myself
and
councillor
brooks
and
others
will
be
banging
away
at
development
plans
panel
and
various
plans.
A
Panels
on
that
issue
as
well
so
but
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
to
feedback
on.
So
I
don't
know
sal
councillor
venue,
council
probably
got
any
final
thoughts
you
wanted
to
make
before
we
move
on
that
and
then,
if
the
board
are
agreeable
with
with
those
things.
K
The
only
point
I
wanted
to
make
was
in
response
to
that
chair.
I
think
that's
a
really
good
idea
and
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
give
much
detail
at
this
meeting
about
the
green
space
priority
because
it's
brand
new,
we
can
have
more
focus
on
that
than
the
other
priorities
at
the
next
meeting,
because
yeah
we
can.
We
can
look
at
planning
and
green
space
because
we'll
have
people
from
parks
involved
in
that
as
well
as
planning.
So
maybe
they
could
come
too.
But
thank
you
for
your
contributions.
K
H
Sorry
to
come
in
on
invited
chair,
but
I'd
just
like
to
make
the
immediate
suggestion
that
we
include
children
and
green
spaces
in
the
program
of
training
for
planning
panel
members,
which
is
quite
extensive
but
hasn't
featured
either
of
those
things
thus
far.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we're
going
to
move
on
to
item
four,
which
is
the
covert
19
update
on
learning.
We've
got
all
the
same
contributors
everybody's
introduced
themselves.
A
There
might
be
one
or
two
people
disappearing
but
I'll
hand
over
to
councillor
pryor
initially
and
then
sal
to
give
us
a
brief
introduction,
and
then
we
can
go
into
questions
and
comments
on
this
item.
G
Fab,
thank
you
chair,
so
obviously,
we've
schools
have
since
returned.
Since
our
last
meeting,
it's
been
a
reasonable
start
back
at
school
over
the
past
week.
A
lot
of
them
have
kind
of
been
staggered.
A
lot
of
schools
have
had
insect
days
and
the
schools
are
all
back
now.
We've
had
no
reports
of
schools
being
closed,
so
we
think
things
have
gone
relatively
relatively
smoothly.
G
I
suspect
kind
of
the
the
biggest
issue
most
people
will
will
have
on
their
minds
will
be
the
announcement
from
the
government
yesterday
that
the
children
aged
12
to
15
will
be
able
to
get
their
first
copied
vaccine
shortly
and
given
this
announcement
was
only
yesterday,
I
we
don't
really
have
much
more
beyond
that
to
update
the
board
on
other
than
that
we're
working
with
public
health
and
the
ccg
and
awaiting
further
guidance
from
the
government.
On
that.
G
Obviously,
over
the
summer
we've
had
the
the
big
learning
conversations
the
details
of
which
are
are
in
the
report,
and
this
is
kind
of
setting
out
a
new
set
of
priorities
to
establish
following
covet,
so
we're
refreshing,
the
three
a's
the
attainment
attendance
achievement.
These
are
still
the
priorities
of
the
council,
but
obviously
we've
got
quite
a
large.
The
past
18
months
will
have
significantly
changed.
G
We'll
need
to
kind
of
refocus,
refocus
that
as
a
council
we're
still
supporting
schools
with
regular
meetings
with
leaderships,
proactive
and
reactive
covert
support,
and
there
was
a
comment
earlier
from.
I
think
it
was
celia
who
mentioned
kind
of
closures
and
the
amount
that
the
children
have
missed
over
over
the
past
18
months
and
across
the
uk.
It's
an
average
of
missing
115
days
of
education
and
I
think
quite
a
lot
of
the
time.
G
A
lot
of
that
conversation
is
around
very
much
the
formal
attainment
that
the
children
are
missing
out
on,
but
I
do
just
want
to
talk
briefly
around
some
of
that
poverty
of
opportunity
that
council
flint
mentioned
earlier
and
actually
those
key
experiences
that
a
lot
of
children
and
young
people
will
have
missed
and
and
how
different
they're
going
to
be
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
You
know
they'll
have
been
missing
out
on
those
cultural
experiences,
those
social
experiences.
G
G
On
this,
though,
by
no
means
the
only
the
only
project
like
this,
we
ourselves
as
a
council
run
them
as
well,
but
there
was
a
clear
impact
not
only
on
the
children's
mental
health
of
having
this
kind
of
cultural
experience,
but
actually
their
attainment
in
maths
and
english
rose
as
well,
and
I
think
it
really
just
demonstrates
the
the
the
benefit
of
kind
of
those
cultural
experiences
that
children
have
in
schools,
and
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
key
things
that
children
will
have
missed
out
on
and
and
a
key
part
of
the
catch-up
going
forward.
G
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
the
board
wants
to
look
more
deeply
at
to
kind
of
make
sure
children
are
are
kind
of
equally
receiving
those
experiences.
But
to
me,
that's
something.
I'm
quite
keen
I'll
be
looking
at
over
the
next
well,
the
next,
coming
months
and
years,
thanks
I'll
pass
on
to
sal
now.
L
Councillor
prior
I
mean,
I
think,
council
prize
covered
most
of
it
really
quite
comprehensively
there,
but
I
mean
I
guess,
we're
on
on
the
learning
side
of
just
reflecting
back
over
the
last
18
months
and
what
a
completely
unprecedented
set
of
circumstances
we've
been
through,
and
what
we've
tried
to
do
as
a
local
authority
is
really
support.
L
L
When
you
start
to
look
back,
you
can
you
can
kind
of
see
different
phases
and
the
enormous
effect
that
our
schools,
community
and
school
staff
have
made
all
of
the
staff
in
their
schools
too,
to
support
children
and
young
people
through
the
pandemic,
and
the
same
goes
for
our
early
years
providers
in
the
same
way
as
I
described
earlier
on
in
terms
of
our
engagement
with
them.
We've
had
very
strong
engagement
with
schools
from
right
across
the
spectrum,
and,
I
have
to
say,
we've
had.
L
You
know
lots
of
positive
feedback
about
the
support
that
they
have
felt
through
that
period,
and
I
think
that
gave
us
a
great
opportunity
towards
the
end
of
term
to
bring
together
different
leaders
in
in
the
learning
part
of
the
world
primary
school
head
secondary
school
heads
across
16
providers
and
early
years
providers
really
to
look
at
what
we
need
to
do
in
this
next
phase
and
it's
difficult
to
predict.
L
L
It's
still
an
unpredictable
place
to
be
really,
and
so,
whilst
we're
trying
to
plan
ahead
and
we
are
pulling
together
that
learning
strategy
and
a
strategy
around
special
education
needs
and
disabilities,
that
is
in
a
very
changing
environment
and
in
some
ways
having
written
this
report
and
then
arrived
today
at
the
meeting,
things
have
changed
even
in
that
very
short
space
of
time,
but
as
councilor
price
said,
schools
back
in
a
bit
of
a
staggered
start
for
some
of
them
last
week,
but
everybody
was
in
by
by
wednesday
thursday
and
are
doing
okay.
L
But
it
remains
to
be
seen
how
the
infection
rates
progress
now
and
we
are
awaiting
further
guidance
working
very
closely
with
the
ccg
lookout
from
the
12
to
15
year
olds.
But
we
are
taking
our
relationships
and
engagement
that
we've
had
with
the
learning
learning
part
of
the
world
into
this
next
term.
So
we
will
be
communicating
them
heavily
with
them
in
just
in
the
same
way
as
we
were
previously
and
responding
and
supporting
them
as
much
as
possible.
C
Thank
you
councillor.
I
think
sal
and
counselor
prior
have
covered
their
main
points
really,
but
I
think
it's
great
to
see
that
our
schools
have
been
very
keen
to
start
back
in
a
very
smooth
and
calm
manner.
Our
children
have
been
very
positive.
Coming
back
to
school,
I
think
they've
been
very
keen
to
get
back
in
their
friendship
circles
with
their
peers
and
start
learning
again.
C
Now
is
just
to
make
sure
that,
again,
that
support
is
very
focused
on
the
vaccinations
and
making
sure
that
we
are
supporting
schools
with
the
guidance
that's
coming
through
the
ccg
public
health
teams
and
make
sure
that
the
disruption
is
as
low
as
possible
to
learning.
And
that's
that's
the
main
sort
of
headlines.
There.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
shaheen.
So
who
would
like
to
kick
off
with
questions
please
celia.
First,
please.
J
Thank
you
sal.
You
referred
to.
They
come
in
autumn
winter
and
the
possible
impact
of
covered
in
trying
to
keep
schools
open
and
asking
see
the
whole
candle
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
seems
to
be
affecting
the
the
passing
of
the
virus
from
one
person
to
another
is
ventilation,
even
more
so
than
contact
on
handles
and
surfaces,
and
things
like
that,
but
our
school
of
state
is
probably
not
geared
up
to
being
as
well
ventilated,
as
is
required.
J
Is
there
anything
that
you're
able
to
do
that
is
being
done?
I
know
this
is
more
health
and
safety,
but
I
mean
that's
really
surrounding
the
whole
problem
of
corporate.
M
M
They
need
more
support
on
that
ventilation.
There's
co2
monitors
that
they're
discussing
in
terms
of
bringing
those
into
schools.
M
We
had
a
meeting
with
dfe
colleagues
and
public
health
colleagues
this
week
about
that
and
we've
pushed
you
know
for
more
guidance
and
clarity
on
how
those
will
be
rolled
out
to
schools
and
how
they'll
be
utilized.
M
So
I
think
we're
very
aware
that
it's
an
issue
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge
for
schools,
not
just
in
leeds
but
right
across
the
country.
I
think,
from
our
point
of
view,
we
just
need
to
keep
pushing
on
all
our
channels
that
we've
got
to
to
get
further
information
and
guidance
from
from
dfe
and
public
health.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
dave
councillor,
hazelwood
is
next.
Please.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'd
just
like
to
go
back
to
where
council
prior
was
talking
about
children
missing
on
average
115
days
of
learning
now
over
the
last
18
months,
and
what
I
want
to
ask
about
is
is
I
I
understand
all
the
measures
put
in
place
and
hopefully
we
will
have
no
or
very
little
disruption
this
academic
year
compared
to
the
last
two
academic
years.
I
But
what
I
do
want
to
to
ask
about
and
ask
what
we've
got
what
how
we're
going
to
tackle
this
is
is
the
gcse
exams
that
are
going
to
be
taken
this
year.
I
will
declare
an
interest
because
my
son's
going
into
year,
11
and
I
will
say,
I'm
extremely
worried
for
him
and
all
the
other
year
11's.
I
You
know
that
are
going
into
year,
11
now
that
are
going
to
have
to
take
the
gcses
we've
had
two
years
of
teachers
predicting
grades
and
and
and
obviously
those
grades
have
been
going
up
and
up,
we've
seen
that
we
and
that's
not
a
bad
thing.
You
know,
teacher
assessment
is
not
a
bad
thing.
In
my
opinion,
however,
the
government
have
said
that
we're
going
to
go
back
to
exams
this
year
and
we
are
going
to
see
those
exam
results
drop
this
year.
I
As
a
result,
he
took
his
mock
exams
in
july
they're,
not
as
good
as
we
were
expecting
because
of
the
last
18
months
disruption
and
that's
a
child
who's
had
a
place
to
learn
at
home.
You
know
quiet
space
in
you
know,
with
a
desk
and
a
laptop
and
everything
else,
so
we've
got
children
out
there
who
haven't
had
that
haven't,
had
those
facilities
to
learn
as
well,
and
so
I
I
I'm
really
concerned
about
these
year.
11's
now
and
their
gcses,
they
are
going
to
have
to
set
exams.
I
They
haven't
done
all
the
learning
they
need
to
do.
I
you
know
the
government
haven't
said
anything
yet
about
this
other
than
they
are
going
to
say
exams,
and
we
know
it's
gonna
have
an
impact
on
grades
because
of
the
the
teacher
assessment
and
then
going
back
to
the
exams
because
of
this
115
days
of
learning
that
these
these
young
people
have
missed
and
they've,
also
missed
out
on
things
like
doing
the
duke
of
edinburgh
award,
which
would
have
had
on
the
cv
to
go
on
to
sixth
form
college
and
and
apprenticeships.
I
That
kind
of
thing
so
they've
missed
a
lot
of
other
things
as
well,
which
would
have
helped
them.
You
know
in
their
course
16
career,
as
well
as,
as
the
other
two
years
have
as
well.
I
understand
that
so
yeah.
I
just
want
to
know
how
we're
going
to
tackle
that
and
and
what
we're
going
to
put
in
place
and
and
what,
how
we're
going
to
help
our
children
and
also
are.
We
are
we
going
to
write
to
the
government
as
well
to
express
our
concerns
on
this.
H
I
was
going
to
say
many
of
the
things
that
some
council
has
always
said,
but
just
to
add
you
clearly,
I
guess
the
authority
will
have
a
view
about
the
results
this
year
and,
as
I
say,
they're
looking
positive.
H
How
well
will
those
results
serve
the
young
people
who
now
have
them
and
what
kind
of
value
will
they
have
in
the
job
market?
But
I'm
I'm
also
keenly
interested
in
all
the
other
things
that
that
jules
asked
about.
N
So,
first
of
all,
there
was
a
consultation
at
the
end
of
last
year
between
by
of
qual
and
the
dfe
about
the
exams
in
2022,
and
what
they're
proposing
in
that
consultation
is
that
they
will
actually
cut
down
on
the
amount
of
things
that
children
will
be
examined
on
and
that
that
will
become
public
in
january
and
the
reason
for
the
lateness
of
that
is
because
actually
they
don't
want
to
lead
to
any
curriculum
narrowing
before
then.
N
So
the
the
emphasis
is
on
on
schools,
to
try
and
to
schools
and
colleges
to
try
and
teach
as
much
as
they
can
of
the
specification
of
the
syllabus,
but
in
january
to
say
right.
These
are
the
things
that
will
be
examined.
These
are
the
things
that
there
will
be
questions
on.
So
at
that
point,
schools
and
colleges
can
have
a
more
focused
and
look
at
certain
areas,
so
that-
and
that
is
still
that
consultation
is
now
closed.
N
But
the
results
of
that
have
not
come
out,
but
that
looks
like
the
most
likely
thing
so
that
it
won't
be
quite
as
a
broader
scope
that
children
will
be
on
examined
on
so
to
make
it
easier
for
them.
N
There
is
quite
a
a
clamor
at
the
moment
for
a
plan
b
in
case
examinations
can't
go
ahead,
because
that
is
the
government's
preferred
option
is
to
have
examinations,
and
so
a
number
of
unions
are
asking
for
that,
and
and
obviously
we
we
would
support
a
plan
b.
Quite
a
lot
of
schools
and
colleges
and,
following
on
from
last
year,
are
doing
a
series
of
up-to-date
marks
so
not
just
be
reliant
on
results
from
last
year,
but
from
having
exam
evidence
this
year,
so
that
they
can
draw
on
that.
N
Should
they
have
to
make
should
they
have
to
use
evidence
to
support
teacher
grades
and
the
question
of
grades
this
year
or
well
in
2022,
the
there
is
two
sort
of
camps
at
the
moment.
One
is
that
they
should
go
back
to
the
way
that
they
were
before
in
2019
in
the
in
the
same
kind
of
numbers.
If
you
like,
there's
also
an
argument
that
they
there
should
be
a
sort
of
gradual
move
to
the
2019
grading
system,
so
that
the
2022
cohort
are
not
disadvantaged
it.
N
It's
fought
with
difficulty
and
and
to
answer
councillor
gruen's
question.
To
be
honest,
I
I
can't
yet
answer
that
question.
You
know,
I
think
we
don't
know
how
the
grades
of
this
year
and
last
year
will
be,
will
serve,
serve
young
people
and
it's
a
totally
different
system
and
in
some
ways
you
could
say
that
they
may.
N
It
could
be
that
those
are
better
indicators
of
what
what
pupils
can
do
and
know
because
they're
based
on
teacher
assessment
and
on
evidence
of
work
as
opposed
to
how
they
performed
in
an
exam
on
two
single
days,
for
instance,
but
I
don't
think
we'll
know
in
terms
of
employers
making
comparisons.
N
N
Every
time
I
apply
for
anything,
do
you
realize
how
good
these
are,
because
in
comparison
to
what
what
came
afterwards-
and
we
also
have
you
know-
a's
and
a
stars
have
changed
so
in
some
ways
the
system
has
never
been
comparable
for
one
year
to
another.
That's
not
helpful
for
employers,
but
actually
employers
have
never
been
totally
aware
of
that,
so
it
is
fraught
with
difficulty,
and
there
is
no
one
answer
to
that.
A
A
So
perhaps
we
members
might
want
to
reflect
on
that,
whether
it's
it's
worth
and
offices,
if
it's
too
soon
to
be
thinking,
should
we
have
a
working
group
to
just
specifically
to
look
at
this
again,
as
we
did,
and
perhaps
with
the
intention
of
writing
with
our
views
to
to
government
to
feed
into
that
conversation
at
an
early
stage
or
whether
we
think
it's
too
soon
to
to
do
that.
I
I
So
at
that
point,
as
erika
was
saying,
it
will
start
to
solidify
a
little
more
as
to
the
shape
and
format,
because
the
actual
structure
of
the
tiny
tip
will
give
you
an
indication
of
the
nature
of
the
exams
themselves.
So
so
that
will
be
it,
and
I
would
also
again
like
to
confirm
what
she's
saying
that
in
most
circumstances,
the
qualifications
for
maybe
gcse's
vocational,
whatever
a
levels
they
are
passports
to
the
next
stage.
I
They're,
not
they're,
very
rarely,
sort
of
standalone
assessment
of
the
individual
and
therefore
gcses
are
in
the
main
passports
to
the
next
level
of
level,
three
provision
etc.
So
what
happens
there
is
that
there
isn't
that
you
know
you've
got
more
aids
in
this
or
the
other
than
the
previous
year
group
or
less
than
the
one
that
will
come
next.
I
It's
just
what
it
will
enable
that
young
person
to
move
on
to
in
the
next
stage
and
erica-
and
I
have
both
been
examiners-
and
we
know
that
they
have
this
amazing
process
of
normative
normalizing
things
and
they
look
at
it
and
essentially
most
times.
Students
will
not
be
hard
done
by
in
that
way,
because
nobody
wants
to
see
students
be
put
at
risk
by
that.
So
that's
just
matter.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
I'm
going
to
go
to
councillor
prior
then
dave
and
then
there's
a
few
other
people
waiting
to
to
contribute
so
cancer.
G
Just
to
to
kind
of
follow
on
from
from
from
both
previous
previous
speakers,
council
richards
is
absolutely
right.
A
M
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
points
have
been
picked
up
by
councillor
richardson
councillor,
prime,
and
just
to
reflect
on
your
point
about
sort
of
the
scrutiny.
It
was
very
useful
I
think
last
year
the
officers
working
with
scrutiny
and
councillor
pryor
in
terms
of
the
response
to
the
plans
for
for
examinations.
M
A
B
Thank
you
just
wanted
to
ask
a
question
about
the
vaccinations
for
12
to
15
year
olds,
which
was
obviously
touched
upon
earlier,
and
I
think
there
was
reference
to
guidance
for
schools
coming
through
from
the
ccg
and
health
and
just
thinking
from
the
perspective
of
a
parent
of
an
almost
13
year
old
and
knowing
that
that's
quite
a
tricky
age
group
and
that
those
young
people
may
well
have
in
some
cases
quite
strong
views
and
opinions
about
the
vaccination
and
whether
they
should
have
it
or
not,
whether
it's
right
that
they
should
have
it.
B
So
I
just
wondered
to
what
extent
schools,
if
you
could
just
give
a
bit
more
information
about
the
extent
to
which
schools
will
be
supported
in
regards
to
those
issues
that
might
pop
up
within
school,
because
I
know
schools
obviously
deliver
the
flu
vaccination
and
hpv.
But
this
is
obviously
something
completely
new
which
in
adults
has
been
delivered
at
mass
vaccination,
centers
or
doctor
surgeries
and
things.
B
And,
to
what
extent
will
schools
sort
of
be
supported
around
potential
issues
and
difficulties
that
might
crop
up
with
children
and
young
people
and
their
families,
particularly
where
there
might
be
a
disagreement
between
the
child
and
young
person
and
their
parents
about
whether
they
should
have
it
or
not
and
school's
understanding
of
guilty
competence?
And
all
of
those
issues?
Because
I
could
just
see
there
might
be
a
few
tricky
tricky
sort
of
scenarios
in
schools
that
staff
might
have
to
try
and
manage.
L
Can
I
just
come
in
first
council
along
just
of
course
just
to
say?
Yes,
thanks
kay,
I
think
you're
absolutely
right
that
there
will
be
a
number
of
quite
complex
and
difficult
issues
for
people
to
work
through,
and
I
think
we,
as
a
local
authority
will
be
in
a
position
where
we
receive
some
further
guidance,
we're
in
conversations
and
have
been
for
a
couple
of
weeks
now
with
public
health
and
with
the
ccg.
L
And
so
we
will
come
up
with
a
guidance
and
a
mechanism
to
support
schools
to
work
through
some
of
those
some
of
those
issues,
and
it
will
be
a
challenge.
I
think,
because
there
could
be
extensive
issues
to
deal
with,
but
we've
got
all
the
communications
routes
set
up.
We've
got
dcs
alert
emails
where
schools
could
come
in
and
make
you
know,
come
in
and
make
inquiries
with
us
and
as
well
as
public
health
and
the
ccg.
L
We
also
have
our
own
health
and
safety
team,
so
we'll
be
drawing
on.
All
of
those.
I
think
we
just
need
to
the
announcement
is
so
recent
that
we
just
need
to
wait
for
further
guidance
to
come
through.
I
had
a
conversation
with
dfa
yesterday
about
that
and
then
we'll
move
forward
with
it
carefully.
But
it's
obviously
our
intention
to
just
spot
schools
with
some
tricky
decisions
that
they
might
have
to
make.
N
Just
very
briefly-
and
we
did
hold
a
meeting
last
night
for
all
secondary
head
teachers
and
four
members
of
the
leeds
vaccination
program.
It
was
very
well
attended
and
we
there
was
an
opportunity
for
the
vast
majority
of
the
time
for
head
teachers
to
ask
questions
from
that.
We're
producing
a
frequently
asked
questions
sheet
which
will
hopefully
go
out
tomorrow,
sorry
on
friday
and
the
nhs
provided,
a
single
point
of
contact
for
vaccination
program
for
head
teachers
and
the
discussion
about
difficult
situations
and
did
come
up,
and
that
was
discussed.
N
So
I
I
think
we
we
are
well
underway
supporting
head
teachers
with
with
the
the
difficulties
that
they
may
face.
M
So
there's
a
there's
quite
a
good
link
up
kate
in
terms
of
those
understanding
what
they're
doing
and
then
asking
for
our
feedback
as
well
to
what
to
work
together
jointly.
A
B
Yeah
thanks
thanks
very
much
for
that.
That's
really
helpful,
reassuring.
The
other
question
was
just
really
quickly
about
transitions,
because
we've
talked
about
that
previously
and
how
sort
of
the
previous
year
that
were
transitioning
into
high
school
and
into
sixth
form
and
beyond
and
things
it
was
quite
difficult
for
them,
because
there
wasn't
enough
time
to
kind
of
prepare
them
and
we'll
be
obviously
very
much
in
the
midst
of
just
coming
out
of
the
first
lockdown
and
we're
a
bit
further
forward
in
the
pandemic.
Now.
B
It
was
just
thought,
be
helpful
just
to
do
a
bit
of
a
compare
and
contrast
and
see
if
you
had
any
observations
or
any
information
to
share
that
might
be
relevant.
M
Thanks
again,
transition
has
been
improved
this
year.
I
think
because
schools
have
made
it
a
real
priority
in
terms
of
being
their
focus
to
you
know,
they
understand
the
impact
that
the
poor
transition
has
on
those
young
people
to
settle
them
in
quickly
into
their
new
things.
M
Lots
of
our
lots
of
our
bronze
meetings
with
the
schools,
both
secondary
and
primary,
were
focused
around
transition,
so
lots
of
schools
sharing
their
the
ways
that
they
were
doing
transition
sharing
that
good
practice
sharing
ideas.
M
Still
I
think
this
year,
schools
have
absolutely
sunk
themselves
into
that
sort
of
virtual
world,
as
well
so
they've
utilized
where
they
that,
where
they've
been
able
to
do
on-site
activities,
transition
activities
where
they
haven't
they've
got
great
sort
of,
like
virtual
tours
of
the
school
made,
the
head
of
you
and
all
that
sort
of
sort
of
stuff.
So
I
think
I
mean
schools
have
been
incredible,
and
school
leaders
have
been
incredible
through
this
whole
pandemic
and
and
actually
have
just
risen
to
the
challenge.
M
Time
and
time
again,
and
actually
you
can
see
it's
not
it's
not
been
perfect
in
terms
of
transition.
Far
far
from
it,
we
would
you
know
we
wouldn't
want
to
pan
out,
but
actually
they've
again
sort
of
risen
to
that
challenge
of
knowing
that
that's
a
key
priority
for
them
to
get
right
because
they
want
those
that
really
start.
So
I
think
it's
been
better
and
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
effort
put
in.
I
think
that
transition
will,
you
know,
as
they've
got
say.
M
For
example,
the
u7's
in
now
there'll
be
there's
a
big
focus
from
our
secondary
colleagues
to
actually
make
the
time
now
in
school,
even
more
impactful,
and
I
think,
as
we
move
through
the
year
in
terms
of
you
know,
we
don't
know.
What's
gonna,
we
hope
for
a
settled
academic
year.
We
don't
know
what
the
bumps
in
the
road
are.
Gonna
be,
but
actually
as
part
of
our
discussions
with
with
say,
with
secondary
and
primary
colleagues.
That
transition
will
still
remain
a
focus
for
us
to
share
that
practice
and.
M
N
Yeah
I'll
I'll
be
brief
and
dave's
absolutely
right.
We've
made
transition
a
big
focus
this
year
and
at
16
plus
we
established
a
leeds
agreement,
we're
very
grateful
to
leeds
city
college
who
led
on
that
basically
establishing
a
set
of
principles
that
we
wanted.
Leaders
in
leads
to
sign
up
up
to
about
how
to
take
into
account
individual
circumstances
of
pupils
how
they
might
have
been
affected
by
covid,
for
instance,
encouraging
a
a
phone
conversation
or
something
about
an
individual,
and
quite
a
lot
of
schools
did
sign
up
to
that.
N
So
there
was
discussion
around
that
and
we
also
made
some
developments
in
terms
of
the
transfer
of
safeguarding
information,
because
what
we
didn't
want
is
young
people
who'd
experienced
difficulties
in
their
school
for
their
college,
not
to
be
aware
of
that
and
for
that
to
lead
to
them
to
to
drop
out
and
because
exam
results
were
well.
All
the
teacher
assessment
grades
were
submitted
on
about
the
12th
of
june.
N
If
I
remember
correctly,
we
did
have
a
big
push
with
schools
to
say:
can
you
use
the
rest
of
that
time
meaningfully
to
do
progression?
Activities
with
with
pupils
with
young
people
and
a
lot
of
them
were
doing
those
kind
of
activities
and
making
sure
they
had
a
positive
destination,
but
also
worked
on
developing
their
cvs,
their
interview,
skills,
etc.
At
the
transfer
from
primary
school
to
to
secondary
school
dave's
right,
we
had
a
one
school
and
one
cluster,
not
cluster,
sorry
and
one
family
of
school.
N
Where
were
doing
a
project
around
the
tempest,
which
was
very
interesting.
That
was
in
primarily,
I
think
it
was
the
north
west
group.
N
Yeah
yeah
with
the
laws
would
lead
city
academy
as
well
and-
and
we
also
did
some
work
with
schools
about
data
transfer
because
obviously
there
were
no
sats.
So
we
actually
thought
that
some
of
the
information
that
we
were
encouraging
primary
schools
to
get
to
secondary
schools
was
more
meaningful
about
what
pupils
could
actually
do
and
not
do.
And
finally-
and
we
did
work
about
trans
transition
into
reception,
we
had
something
like
such
as
the
reception
reading
project.
N
Was
there
13
schools,
which
kind
of
basically
encouraged
reception,
children
or
who
were
going
to
be
reception,
children
to
read
a
selection
of
books
and
meet
other
children
who
would
be
in
their
class
at
the
local
library
for
the
for
those
books
so
reset?
I
hope
that's.
Given
you
a
flavor
of
the
type
of
work
we
were
doing
around
transition.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
erica.
So
I'm
gonna
take
the
final
contribution
from
councillor
marshall,
katung
and
then
we'll
sum
up
on
this
item.
I'm
going
to
propose
that
when
we
have
a
very
short
comfort
break
before
we
move
on
to
the
final
item
on
the
agenda,
so
councillor
marshall,
catherine,
please.
C
Thank
you
and
my
apologies.
I
have
to
kick
up
at
the
meeting
and
I'm
back
now
so
counselor
prior
has
actually
touched
on
what
I
would
like
to
say
in
terms
of
the
cohort
for
year
13..
So
if
we
all
know
that
year,
those
who
are
in
year
13
now
at
the
first
set
up
at
the
first
year,
who
did
not
write
gcses
in
2020
and
now
we'll
be
writing
a
levels.
Councillor
richards
also
mentioned
about
concession.
C
If
we
look
at
the
trend
and
what's
going
on-
and
my
concern
here
is
our
children
who
are
in
terms
of
equality
are
far
from
one
end
to
the
other
so
and
counselor
would
they
say
we
have
children
and,
for
example,
my
kid?
Yes
again,
my
kids
are
in
because
I'm
talking
about
so
my
twin
boys
and
year
13,
but
as
a
mother
and
obviously
I
am
able
the
the
days
that
they
have
been
at
home
and
I've
spent
40
days
in
isolation
because
of
two
of
them.
C
So
that's
two
of
them
as
well,
not
being
in
school
for
40
days,
but
I'm
able
to
get
them
extra
tuition
to
ensure
that
they're
still
studying
whilst
at
home,
but
we
will
have
so
many
children
in
that
same
position
as
my
boys,
without
digital
access,
without
the
comfort
that
in
their
homes
like
mine,
would
have
and
will
not
have
the
same
learning
as
their
mates
in
school
and
will
now
have
to
go
back
this
september.
They're
going
to
be
writing
mocks
in
october.
C
A
lot
will
determine
for
predictive
grading
that
they're
going
to
be
sending
to
universities
for
them
to
be
making
applications
next
year.
So
with
all
of
these
things
that
has
happened,
universities
have
not
changed
what
their
requirements
will
be.
So
my
problem
is
how
we're
going
to
bridge
the
gap
for
those
children
who
will
fall
behind
for
so
many
reasons.
C
Of
course,
covet
is
definitely
one
huge
part
of
it
and
the
inequalities
that
children
from
less
privileged
backgrounds
will
have
to
suffer
come
april
may
next
year,
when
they're
writing
their
a
levels
and
then
they
need
to
get
into
university
for
september
and
will
not
have
the
grades
they
would
have
had
if
everything
was
normal.
So
that's
the
concern
that
I
have
at
bologna.
A
Marshall
katong
so
who
can
respond
to
that?
And
then
I'm
gonna
wrap
up
on
this
item
because
I'm
just
conscious
of
the
time
dave.
M
A
M
Yeah
I
mean
there
are
real
issues
councillors
in
terms
of
the
the
impact
and
the
the
the
pandemic
will
have
had
on
different
sections
of
the
communities
and
the
different
children,
one
of
the
things
that
schools
are
working
hard
on
at
the
moment
and
we'll
be
supporting
with
that
is
in
terms
of
that
catch-up
fund
in
terms
of
the
the
the
one-to-one
tuition,
for
example,
in
terms
of
identifying
those
young
people
that
have
suffered
significantly
that
have
fallen
behind
and
then
I've
had
digital
access,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
good
things
that
I
think
the
government
have
changed.
M
Their
advice
on
is
in
terms
of
rather
than
just
using
the
one-to-one
tuition
fund
for
external
support
for
those
young
people.
Schools
can
then
choose
to
utilize
it
within
school,
so
they
could
actually
have
teachers
that
know
them
well
to
actually
provide
that
sort
of
that
capital
one-to-one
funding.
So
I
think
that's
a
real
step
forward
that
gives
schools
much
more
control
over
a
much
more
more
safer.
What
those
young
people
really
need
to
actually
push
them
on.
M
N
Yes,
dave
so
basically,
and
they
are
the
all
the
laptops
provided
by
the
dfe
now
have
security
controls
on
them,
which
will
last
to
the
end
of
august
2022..
M
And
I
think
just
just
on
a
final
point
in
that
I
think
schools
are
very
aware
as
part
of
their
development
plan,
schools
and
academies
in
working
with
those
children
that
have
suffered
significantly.
I
think
that
that's
that
really
is
their
priority.
All
the
all
the
discussions
we
have
with
school
leaders
is
about.
How
do
we
mitigate
the
impact
that
those
young
people
have
had
on
their
education?
So
it's
it's
not
easy,
but
I
think
there's
a
determination.
A
I
Thank
you
for
sneaking.
All
I
will
say
is
that
this
is
the
time
as
you're
right
councillor
castle
for
the
ucas
applications,
I'm
in
the
process
of
doing
it
as
we
speak,
and
I'm
also
aware
that
staff
are
being
amazing
and
they're
very
professional,
and
they
know
their
children
and
they're
asked
to
make
a
prediction
and
they're
asked
to
make
a
prediction
based
on
that
individual
and
that's
exactly
what
they
do
and
they
give
them
those,
and
then
the
system
will
work
its
way
up.
I
So
my
experience
is
that,
whilst
there
is
obvious
disparity
between
access
to
what
has
been
going
on
that
the
schools,
the
systems,
the
teachers,
parents,
students
are
all
working
together
to
lessen
that
impact
and
to
give
those
young
people
the
opportunities
they
deserve.
End
of.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay
again,
this
bit,
we've
covered
a
lot
of
ground
and
a
lot
of
useful
things
we've
covered
there.
What
I
want
to
propose
is
that
we'd
look
perhaps
to
have
a
working
group
in
october.
That
will
enable
us
to
look
at
the
exams
issues.
A
A
We
would
be
useful
perhaps
to
look
at
an
update
on
the
3a
strategy
at
that
point
and
to
discuss
some
of
these
wider
issues
around
year,
13
and
transition,
and
look
at
how
we
can
respond
and
perhaps
feed
into
to
government,
as
we
did
last
year
so
councillor
prior
sally.
Are
you
happy
with
that
approach
and
is
that
something
that
would
be
useful
to
you.
L
But
yeah,
that's
fine
with
me.
I
think
we
can
we're
going
to
do
the
work
schedule
at
the
end
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting
as
well
until
we
can
yeah
about
how
just
how
we
might
and
how
the
timing
might
work
on.
All
of
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
angela
have
we
got
everything
that
we
need
for
that
item.
B
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
yes,
that's
fine
and,
as
sal
said,
we
could
do
a
little
recap.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
so
we've
got
one
more
substantive
item.
I'm
going
to
propose
that
we
have
a
very
quick
five
minute
comfort
break
before
we
move
on
to
that.
So
just
in
order
to
facilitate
that
the
webcast
will
still
be
going
on,
there'll
be
a
slide
that
goes
up
just
to
say
we're
adjourned,
so
if
everyone
will
make
sure
they're,
muted
and
your
camera
is
off
until
we
start
again.
Otherwise,
the
whole
world
wide
web
will
be
able
to
hear
everything
that
you're
saying
and
doing
for
the
next
five
minutes.
A
So
it's
I
make
it
11
57.
So
a
1202
will
be
getting
going
again.
A
Okay,
welcome
back
everybody
now
the
slides
down
we
can.
We
can
get
back
on
so
we're
moving
on
to
item
five,
which
is
updates
on
the
ofsted
focused
visit,
and
it
seemed
appropriate
to
bring
this
to
the
board
at
the
the
earliest
opportunity,
which
is
why
it's
on
the
agenda
today.
Many
members
will
be
aware
it
was
discussed
in
full
council
yesterday
and
everyone
can
make
their
own
view
about
that
debate.
A
But
just
to
remind
this
is
obviously
we're
very
keen
to
keep
the
political
stuff
out
of
the
scrutiny
board,
because
it's
not
helpful
to
our
discussions
so
I'll
ask
both
in
those
contributing
and
board
members
that
we
just
keep
that
in
mind,
and
one
thing
I
would
say
on
that
is
as
someone
who's
been
involved
in
this
board
for
most
of
the
last
15
years,
and
there
are
a
few
other
members
who
have
been
around
for
a
long
time
right
through
the
the
many
journeys
of
children's
services.
A
I'm
very
proud,
and
I
think
we
should
all
be
proud
of
the
role
that
this
board
has
played
in
that
improvement
journey
and
it's
out
absolutely
our
role
to
work
with
the
department,
the
executive
members
and
sal
to
make
sure
that
we're
always
trying
to
improve
from
whatever
level
we're
at,
and
so
it's
in
that
context
that
we're
having
this
discussion
and-
and
I
I'd
just
ask
everybody-
to
keep
it
to
the
right
tone,
I
think,
is
what
I'm
looking
for.
A
So,
if
I
can
ask
sal
and
councillor
veno
just
to
introduce
to
reports,
the
main
purpose
for
us
is
to
consider
what
further
action,
if
any,
the
scrutiny
board
want
to
take
into
looking
into
this
and
monitoring
this
and
it'd
be
useful.
Just
to
hear
silent,
castlevania's
thoughts
on
on
that
as
well.
Please,
when
you're
you're,
introducing
the
report.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
going
to
just
do
do
some
overview
comments
and
then
sal
will
fill
in
a
bit
of
detail,
particularly
about
the
improvement
action
plan.
I'm
really
aware
that
for
elective
members
this
some
of
this
will
be
repetitive
in
terms
of
what
I
said
yesterday.
But
obviously
this
is
a.
This
is
a
karma
version.
K
I
really
respect
the
points
of
my
chair
about
tone,
so
so
this
is
a
focused
visit
that
is
part
of
the
framework
for
how
children's
services
are
inspected
and
it's
it
always
happens
between
main
inspections.
K
So
we
got.
We
were
last
fully
inspected
in
2018
and
we
do
another
inspection
this
year,
although
it
might
end
up
being
early
early
next
year
and
you
have
a
focus
visit
in
between
so
it's
a
two
day
visit
with
two
inspectors
for
a
full
inspection.
You'd
have
more
like
between
nine
and
twelve
inspectors,
they've
been
for
about
a
week.
K
So
on
the
visit
they
looked
at
about
20
cases
in
a
full
inspection,
it
would
be
literally
a
few
hundred.
So
it's
a
snapshot
and
focused
on
the
front
door
to
children's
social
work
and
it
doesn't
result
in
a
judgment
for
the
authority.
You
get
a
letter
of
recommendations
for
improvement,
which
means
we
still
hold
our
outstanding
ofsted
judgement
and
will
do
until
you
know
we're
reinspected
when
they'll
make
a
new
judgement,
so
the
inspectors
have
identified
areas
for
improvement,
which
they
always
do.
K
So
even
when
we
got
our
outstanding
judgement,
we
still
had
recommendations
for
improvement
as
part
of
that,
I'm
not
I'm
trying.
I'm
really
really
mindful
of
what
you
said
about
tone
chest.
I'm
not
trying
to
be
provocative,
saying
this,
but
obviously
I'm
really
aware
you
know
cancer
stephenson
wrote
to
you
where
he
copies
you
into
the
letter
to
me
and
I've
responded
to
that
which
you've
seen
his
letter
says
and
his
press
release
that
there's
serious
deficits
in
relation
to
child
protection
and
safeguanding.
K
What
I
really
wanted
to
stress
is
that
ofsted
didn't
find
any
children
to
be
at
serious
risk.
There's
two
things
they
can
do
if
they're
concerned
on
focused
visits.
So
one
is,
they
do
what's
called
referring
cases
back
to
you.
So
of
the
around
20
cases
that
they
saw
if
they
thought
any
of
those
children,
individual
children
were
at
risk.
They
refer
it
back
to
us
and
say:
can
you
look
at
this
because
we're
concerned
about
whatever
their
kind
of
nuclear
option?
K
K
They
talked
really
positively
about
the
leads
way
of
working
and
they
said
they
were
proud
to
work
for
leeds.
They
made
the
point
in
the
letter
that
children
were
seen
by
their
own
social
worker
throughout
the
pandemic,
and
I
wanted
to
stress-
that's
actually
massive
if
you
think
about
the
challenges
of
the
pandemic
in
a
city
that
leads
so
so
badly
hit
by
covid
the
fact
that
people
were
seen
by
their
own
social
workers
throughout
the
pandemic.
K
I
think
that's
probably
something
most
authorities
wouldn't
be
able
to
claim,
and
we
don't
use
any
agency
stuff,
which
again
is
a
real
change
from
where
we
were
say
10
years
ago,
and
it
was
millions
of
pounds
every
year.
So
so
families
were
getting
consistent
service
in
terms
of
who
they
were
seeing.
K
So
the
ofsted
letter
identified
no
areas
of
serious
weakness
and
that's
really
important
to
stress
that
there
were
no
areas
of
serious
weakness
when
we
were
inadequate,
they
were
using
language
like
widespread
and
systematic
failure.
That
is
not
the
language
they're
using
now,
but
they
did
identify
three
recommendations
where
practice
can
be
improved.
K
I
was
in
the
feedback
meeting
with
ofsted,
which
was
at
the
end
of
the
the
inspection,
so
we
met
him
in
person
at
marion
house
and
there's
absolutely
no
doubt
that
consistency
was
a
major
theme
that
that
was
the
thing
that
most
jumped
out
at
me
and
when
they
were
talking
about
things
like
management
oversight,
it
it
wasn't
saying,
managers
aren't
properly
overseeing
work.
It
was
saying
they're
not
fully
recording
their
rationale
for
things
and,
similarly,
with
the
point
on
supervision,
they
weren't
saying
supervision
is
not
happening.
They
weren't,
saying
it's
not
effective.
K
It's
not
providing
that
kind
of
therapeutic
reflection
and
appropriate.
You
know
holding
social
workers
to
account.
They
were
saying
it's
not
being
thoroughly
enough
recorded,
so
it
felt
like
quite
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
were
quite
processed
orientated.
They
were
not
saying,
there's
bad
practice
and
they
were
not
saying
children
are
placed
at
risk,
but
they
were
saying
you
know.
Some
of
the
plans
are
written
better
than
others.
Some
are
too
narrative.
K
We
will
be
able
to
pull
back
when
people
are
back
in
their
offices
together,
and
I
was
reflecting
on
my
own
experience
of
managing
services,
although
it's
quite
different,
so
I
used
to
manage
mental
health
crisis
services,
as
some
of
you
know-
and
I
was
thinking
actually
I'm
not
sure
I
could
have
delivered
a
consistent
service
if
I
didn't
have
loads
of
contact
with
my
team
and
we
weren't
all
together
a
lot.
So
it
did
feel
like
a
lot
of
this.
K
We
will
be
able
to
pull
back
in
a
lot
of
it's
about
people
having
been
working
from
home
and
not
been
all
together.
There's
some
details.
I
will
be
able
to
talk
about
in
in
more
depth
about
things
like
the
strategy
discussions,
the
comments
around
domestic
abuse.
They
did
acknowledge
that
we've
introduced
a
daily
multi-agency
meeting
to
strengthen
that
response,
but
that
it
was
too
early
at
the
point.
They
came
to
note
the
impact
of
that,
so
children's
services
are
already
we've.
K
You
know
we've
got
an
improvement
plan
and
we're
working
with
relevant
partners
on
that,
because
the
strategy
discussions,
for
example-
it's
that's
us-
the
police
and
health
in
response-
also
to
council
stephenson's
letter
where
we
talked
about
other
authorities.
We
have
always
always
sought
expertise
from
other
authorities
and
from
leading
academic
social
work,
leading
academic
social
workers
in
terms
of
the
developments
of
best
practices,
one
of
our
great
strengths.
K
You
know
we
look
locally
nationally
internationally,
but
I
would
stress
here
that
we
are
the
only
city
that's
outstanding
and
the
only
about
seven
or
eight
areas
in
the
country
have
outstanding
and
the
others
are
much
smaller
and
much
more
affluent.
So
council
stephenson
taught
yes
yesterday
quite
a
lot
about
north
yorkshire.
I
do
know
my
equivalent
in
north
yorkshire.
I
do
already
work
with
her
a
bit
because
there's
a
regional
meeting
for
lead
members
for
children
in
yorkshire
and
humber,
and
we
also
both
sit
on
the
national
local
government
association.
K
K
K
We're
really
happy
to
be
accountable
to
you
and
to
report
regularly
on
the
action
plan.
You
know
we
do
fully
accept
the
recommendations
and
we
are,
you
know,
working
to
be
back
where
we
would
want
to
be,
when
I
said,
come
back
for
a
full
inspection.
One
of
the
things
I
am
concerned
about-
and
I
really,
although
obviously
full
council,
is
a
theatrical
space
where
you
know
we
behave
differently
to
how
we
do
when
we're
in
groups
like
this.
K
I
do
have
some
concerns
that
the
way
this
is
being
presented
is
not
helpful
and
has
the
capacity
to
demoralize
staff
who
are
working
under
massive
massive
immense
pressure
and
really
have
gone
above
and
beyond
throughout
the
pandemic,
from
our
amazing
foster
carers
to
our
social
workers,
and
I
do
feel
it's
really
important
going
forward
that
we
approach
this
focused
visit
in
a
constructive
and
collaborative
way
that
recognises
that
actually,
the
austin
letter
is
pretty
balanced,
so
it
has
some
really
clear
recommendations
for
improvement,
which
we
fully
accept,
but
it
also
has
some
really
positive
comments
and
we've
been
on
a
really
amazing
improvement
journey
over
the
last
10
years,
and
I
just
don't
want
that
to
be
undermined
by
the
way
some
of
this
has
been
presented
I'll
end
their
chair.
K
Thank
you
and
obviously
we're
really
open
to
questions
and
comments,
but
I
know
sal
can
fill
in
some
of
the
detail
around
the
improvement
plan.
Thank
you.
Everybody.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
councillor,
vela,
and
I'm
really
I'm
very
grateful
for
for
the
tone
that
you've
struck
to
to
start
the
debate
off,
which
I
really
do
appreciate
it,
and
I
hope
you
know
from
my
perspective
what
I'm
looking
for
is
that
we
have
a
calm
and
collaborative
response
to
this.
It's
quite
right
that
we
look
at
it
as
a
scrutiny
board
and
do
our
work
as
a
critical
friend,
but
both
of
those
two
words
are
key
in
that
we're
here.
A
As
a
friend,
we
want
to
to
keep
that
improvement
journey
going,
and
it's
just
finding
the
right
mechanisms
for
the
scrutiny
boards
to
to
support
that
work
and
to
make
sure
that
staff
do
feel
valued
and
supported
and
I'm
sure
I'll
see
nods
going
around.
But
from
the
scrutiny
board
we
can
say
loud
and
clear
that
we
we
do
really
appreciate
and
value
the
work
that
they
do
and
recognize
how
difficult
it's
been.
A
L
L
People
will
be
aware
in
the
last
week
of
school
term
and
just
as
the
restrictions
were
being
lifted
on
the
21st
of
the
21st
of
july,
but
prior
to
the
inspection
we'd
invited
in
colleagues
from
around
the
region
to
undertake
a
peer
review,
and
they
in
addition
to
what
was
looked
at
by
ofsted.
They
looked
at
a
a
number
of
cases
as
well
and
again,
there
was
no
nothing
from
that.
L
That
was
that
was
sent
back
in
some
ways,
the
feedback
from
and
that
peer
review
was
made
fully
available
to
boston
so
that
they
utilized
some
of
that
in
terms
of
the
judgments
that
they
made
and
in
some
ways
the
lead
from
that
peer
review
said
to
me,
you've
got
all
the
hard
bits
that
people
find
really
difficult
in
place,
and
you
know,
but
there's
just
these
bits
that
are
some
of
these
process,
things
that
are,
that
need
a
bit
of
attention,
and
I
would
say
you
know
we
have
been
through
a
massive
pandemic.
L
I
was
sat
here
with
the
inspector
during
the
inspection
and
pointed
to
places
like
little
london,
which
two
weeks
prior
to
the
inspection,
had
sixteen
hundred
per
hundred
thousand
rate
of
infections,
and
that
includes
our
the
children,
the
families
and
the
communities
that
we
work
in,
but
it
also
impacts
on
our
staff
and
within
the
service
you
know
we
have
had
people
who
have
passed
away
from
call
which
have
been
impacted
upon
significantly
or
their
partners
or
families
have
been
significantly
impacted
from
like
everybody
has,
and
I
think
that
we,
I
think
that
we
just
have
to
have
that
context
in
mind
when
we
look
at
this
and
given
that
context
often
were
very
positive
about
our
early
help
arrangements
which
and
whilst
they're
saying,
are
well
resourced.
L
They're
well
resourced
because
of
the
strategy
that
we've
been
on
for
10
years,
where
we've
been
able
to
move
away
from
more
statutory
interventions
to
creating
a
much
more
of
a
preventative
and
helpful
and
supportive
system
for
those
families.
Where
and
that's
what's
needed,
you
know,
staff
felt
proud
to
work
for
leads.
They
talked
about
understanding
the
model
and
understanding
the
lead
practice
model
and
even
through
all
those
difficulties
they
talked
about
how
well
supported
they've
been
now
we
have.
You
know
three
recommendations
that
we
are
working
on.
L
We
always
have
a
service
improvement
plan
that
runs
all
of
the
time,
because
we're
constantly
trying
to
improve
things
and
obviously
from
the
peer
review
and
from
the
inspection
we've
adjusted.
L
Those
improvement
plans
to
deal
directly
with
some
of
the
issues,
but
many
of
them
are
things
that
we
were
working
on
and
the
first
one
around
the
quality
and
consistency
of
assessments
is
a
bit
like
the
fourth
road
bridge,
and
you
do
some
training
and
development
with
people
and
over
a
period
of
time,
people
move
on
and
you
have
new
stuff
coming
place
and
you
have
to
go
back
around
it
again
and
again,
so
we
are
constantly
working
on
how
we
improve
that
that
level
of
consistency
and
the
quality,
and
it's
often
about
the
analysis
and
sometimes
what
you've
got,
are
assessments
that
are
a
bit
more
descriptive.
L
So
we
have
master
classes
where
we
invite
academics
in
to
come
and
support
our
staff
with
how
they
do
that.
I
know
that
analysis,
but
actually
how
they
record
that
analysis
is
often
a
greater
challenge
when
often
have
been
to
inspections.
Previously
they
sit
down
and
talk
to
the
social
workers
and
in
that
conversation,
and
they
tend
to
get
the
analysis
that
might
not
have
been
as
fully
recorded
or
as
effectively
recorded
as
that
person
understands
the
circumstances
that
they're
working
in
so
it's
something
that
we
continue
to
work
on.
L
I
think
there
were
certain
circumstances
in
terms
of
a
number
of
matters
that
were
being
dealt
with
as
the
inspectors
were
on
site
and
that
where-
and
somebody
had
talked
to
the
inspectors
about
a
live
case,
and
they
were
going
away
to
record
the
record-
the
rationale
afterwards.
L
But
it
wasn't
there
at
the
point
that
they
were
talking
to
the
inspectors
and
but
we
have
had
a
closer
look
at
that
and
we've
got
a
clear
process
in
place
now,
so
that
the
decision
making
as
council
lavender
said
is,
is
logged
because
it's
done
as
part
of
the
system
there's
an
additional
bit
that
we
are
that
we're
in
that
we're
supporting
staff
to
do
which
is
putting
down
the
rationale
behind
the
decision
making.
And
then
the
third
recommendation
is
around
the
quality
and
independence
of
audits.
We
are.
L
We
have
had
a
large
number
of
audits
that
have
been
undertaken
and
through
the
pandemic,
and
people
have
been
auditing
cases
that
sit
within
their
team.
We
do
have
some
moderation
processes
that
inspectors
weren't
really
here
long
enough
to
see,
but
we
accept
that
we
need
to
do
more
cross-auditing.
So
we've
put
that
in
place
and
from
this
month
that's
that's
what
is
happening
with
the
the
audience.
L
There's
a
cross-audit
process
in
place
where
teams
have
been
paired
with
each
other
in
order
to
undertake
audits
in
other
teams
and
there's
a
layer
of
moderation
that
takes
place
by
service
managers
and
then
moderation
process.
That's
undertaken
by
the
heads
of
service,
all
of
that,
and
we
have
in
place
mechanisms
to
pull
together
what
the
themes
are
and
the
learning
isn't
we.
You
know
we
have
been
sending
out
a
bulletin
that
goes
out
to
all
staff
that
identifies
those
things.
L
So
again,
we
are
strengthening
that
drawing
out
the
themes
from
those
orders
and
then
communicating
that
with
staff
so
that
it
can
impact
on
their
practice.
I
mean
we
have
also
had
multi-agency
audits
that
are
independent
and
we
work.
So
we
have
a
something
called:
the
joint
targeted
area,
inspection
which
runs
along
the
themes
that
ofsted
are
inspecting
on,
and
we
use
that
as
a
multi-agency
group
to
undertake
case
of
audit
activity,
which
is
on
a
multi-agency
basis.
But
we
also
have
a
audit
process
that
comes
through
the
lead.
L
Safeguarding
children's
partnership,
so
I
think
one
of
the
areas
that
we're
going
to
strengthen
is
how
do
we
pull
all
the
themes
from
all
those
different
areas
regularly
into
a
report
and
then
use
the
communication
mechanism
that
I
have
that
I
have
described.
We've
got
detailed
action
plan.
I
won't
go
through
all
of
that
now,
but
in
each
of
those
areas
to
really
help
us
to
strengthen
that
consistency
of
the
quality
which
is
what's
being
pointed
to
by
by
austin.
L
The
other
issue
that
has
come
up
is
the
issue
around
strategy
discussions
involving
all
three
partners
and
again
this
is
something
that
we
worked
on
following
the
last
inspection
in
2018
and
we've
seen
some
improvements
in
this
area.
Again,
you
know
I
just
have
to.
L
L
So
how
do
you
get
a
social
worker
police
officer
and
a
health
visitor
to
have
that
composite
conversation
very
quickly
within
that
24
hour
period,
and
we
have
been
managing
that
you
know
in
the
last,
in
the
in,
in
the
few
weeks
at
the
off
state,
we're
looking
at,
we
haven't
been
managing
that
in
around
47
of
circumstances,
but
again
as
people
come
back
into
the
office,
and
we've
got
people
physically
being
this
together.
That
and
that
will
improve.
L
We've
put
significant
measures
in
place
to
improve
that,
and
we
have
week
on
week
since
the
inspection
seen
and
increased,
where
all
three
partners
are
part
of
that
are
part
of
the
strategy
discussions
and
from
last
week.
We've
also
implemented
an
escalation
process
where
that
doesn't
happen
so
that
we
can
very
quickly
on
a
daily
basis,
be
picking
up
and
what
those
issues
are
and,
as
I
say,
as
people
are,
as
the
restrictions
have
been
lifted,
and
people
are
back
in
the
office
much
more
there's
much
more
face-to-face
work
going
on
we've.
L
You
know
we
will
see
that
continue
to
significantly
improve
very
quickly,
but
we've
also
set
in
place
a
longer
term.
Look
at
whether
there
are
other
ways
in
which
we
can
improve
the
process
around
the
strategy
discussions
so,
overall,
what
I
would
say
is
that
we
accept
the
areas
for
improvement
that
often
have
outlined.
We've
got
a
plan,
and
that
is
very
quickly
onto
this.
We're
focused
on
bringing
those
improvements
about,
but
we're
also
building
on
the
strengths
that
they
identified
in
the
in
the
inspection
as.
A
Well:
okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Sorry,
we've
had
very
comprehensive
introduction.
I've
got
a
few
hands
and,
just
just
being
mindful,
our
focus
is
on
what
what
is
the
response
and
further
work
that
the
board
might
want
to
do
so,
and
that's
really
what
I'm
looking
for
people
to
reflect
on
in
their
comments.
So
councillor
gruen,
please.
H
So
what
I
would
say,
having
listened
to
the
introduction,
is
that
I
would
just
push
back
a
little
bit
on
whether
or
not
the
areas
for
improvement
are
largely
process
driven
because
the
my
reading
of
the
letter
and
the
and
the
wording
that's
used
if
supervision
is
not
reflective
and
audits,
are
not
of
the
same
quality
and
consistency,
then
I
I
would
suggest
that
there
it's
more
than
just
process
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at,
but
and
indeed
you've
covered
a
lot
of
what
what
you're
planning
to
do
about
those
areas.
H
H
Why
have
we
had
something
in
place
and
then
it's
it's
got
a
little
bit
worse.
That
would
be
the
signal
that
the
letter
would
say
to
me.
That
would
be
the
root
of
my
concern
in
an
entirely
constructive
and
positive
way.
I'd
be
asking
those
questions
of
myself.
H
The
second
point
is
that
how
disappointing
that
the
police
and
the
nhs
have
not
been
there
at
assessments
and
case
reviews.
I
wonder
why
that
is.
Were
they
attending
regularly
last
time,
and
could
that
be
an
easy
win?
I
mean,
should
we
should
we
invent
consequences
for
people
not
being
in
attendance
at
those,
because
that
again
seems
a
pretty
serious
gap
which
is
not
entirely
of
our
making,
and
and
perhaps
we
need
to
look
at
ways
in
which
we
can
bring
that
clearly
under
our
control.
H
The
other
question
I
had
in
mind
really
was
just,
and
I
think
it
will
be
addressed
at
the
conclusion
of
the
debate.
How
will
scrutiny
monitor
and
support
this?
Well,
I'm
guessing
the
action
plan
will
continue
to
come
back
and
it
does
say
in
the
report
that
the
findings
of
the
report,
the
report
will
be
taken
account
of
in
the
next
in
planning
the
next
inspection
visit
do.
Do
we
have
any
understanding
of
what
this
level
of
report
and
the
language
in
this
report?
K
In
terms
of
why
things
have
declined,
actually,
the
pandemic
is
a
massive
massive
factor
in
that,
and
it
was
frustrating
that
it
felt
like
they
didn't
actually
really
take
that
into
account
fully,
and
I'm
saying
that
with
regards
to
both
the
verbal
feedback
that
we
had
at
the
meeting
and
the
letter,
both
the
verbal
meeting
and
the
letters
started
by
saying
we
know
this
context
of
a
pandemic
and
then
continued
as
if
there
wasn't,
and
actually
comparing
us
to
north
yorkshire
has
happened
yesterday
at
the
impact
of
the
suspect
has
been
massively
different
of
the
pandemic.
K
I
think
this
is
obviously
a
national
issue,
not
just
a
leeds
issue,
and
I
know
that
from
some
of
the
work
that
I
do
nationally,
that
it's
a
it's
a
frustration
for
people,
germany,
that
the
ofsted
regulatory
framework
hasn't
changed.
Although
they're
saying
we
know
this
pandemic,
actually
the
framework
they're
using
is
the
same
and
doesn't
reflect
that.
So
I
mean
cell
will
be
able
to
respond
to
you
more
fully.
K
That's
one
response
from
me
and
with
regard
to
austin
coming
back
in
some
ways,
although
obviously
it's
disheartening
getting
getting
a
letter,
that's
got
critical
feedback
as
well
as
positive
feedback.
It's
also
a
really
it's
really
helpful
because
it
does
direct
us
very
clearly
to
the
areas
that
we
need
to
improve
before
the
next
inspection.
K
L
Yeah
thanks
councillor
growing,
I
think
councillor
benner
has
answered
those
two
points.
I
do
think
that
I
think
one
of
the
issues
when
they
came
in
2018
for
the
full
inspection
as
as
we've
said
they
were
here
for
a
long
period
of
time.
There
were
a
lot
more
inspectors,
so
they
got
into
a
greater
level
of
depth
to
see
what
what
practice
looked
like.
L
This
is
a
snapshot
of
this
of
us,
a
smaller,
a
smaller
subset
of
what
they're
looking
at,
but
well
the
day
before
the
inspection.
L
The
front
door
team,
for
example,
came
together
in
person
in
preparation
for
meeting
the
inspectors
the
following
day
and
one
of
them
tested
positive,
so
the
whole
team
had
to
self-isolate
and
therefore
all
of
those
interviews
that
then
took
place
had
to
be
done
remotely.
That's
just
one
simple
example
of
how
different
it
would
be
in
the
2018
inspection
that
would
have
been
here
at
marin
house
and
downstairs
from
where
I
am
on
the
sixth
floor
is
where
the
front
door
team
sits.
L
But
it's
not
the
same
as
seeing
it
absolutely
in
person
and
as
I
try
to
set
that
context
in
what
I
said
in
my
introduction
about
the
fact
that
how
much
people
have
been
impacted
upon
during
this
period
of
time-
and
you
know
we
are
seeing
now
as
people
are
backing
back
in
the
office
and
the
teams
are
together-
we're
seeing
how
that
is
having
a
positive
impact
on
on
the
practice
on
the
communication
or
the
support
that
people
can
get.
L
I
think
it
you
know
you
can
have
supervision
and
people
have
been
doing
supervision
and
team
meetings
in
a
remote
way,
and
there
is
something
about
sitting
face
to
face
with
somebody
in
a
supervision
session
that
is
more
qualitative
and
slightly
different
in
in
in
the
way
that
you
respond.
L
Normally,
what
people
will
be
doing
is
going
out
to
visit
children
and
families
and
coming
back
to
an
office
space
where
there
would
be
their
peers
where
there
would
be
their
manager.
You
know
many
of
these
visits.
People
have
gone
out,
done
quite
tricky
visits
and
then
gone
home
and
then
you're
waiting
for
an
opportunity
through
the
team's
arrangements
to
speak
to
your
manager
about
it.
It
is.
It
is
different
in
that
context,
and
so,
when
this
talks
about
some
of
that,
the
consistency.
L
It's
not
that
these
processes
haven't
been
taking
place.
They
have
been,
but
it's
the
consistency
of
the
quality
because
they
they
did
say
that
many
of
those
circumstances
where
that
supervision
has
taken
place
has
been
reflective
and
has
led
to
good
outcomes
for
children
and
young
people.
But
it's
not
consistently
being
met,
and
so
we
are
working
on
on
that
quality
with
our
staff
as
about
range.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
so
we've
got
there's
quite
a
few
people
to
contribute.
I'm
conscious
of
the
time.
I'm
also
conscious
that
I
don't
want
to
I'm
going
to
bring
you
back
in
a
second
counselor.
A
I'm
conscious
also
that
I
don't
want
to
stifle
the
debates,
but
we
usually
try
and
finish
at
about
half
12,
clearly
we're
not
going
to
so,
but
if
people
could
keep
their
their
comments
as
brief
as
possible
and
focused
on
our
next
steps
as
best
as
we
can
so
in
terms
of
order
of
speakers
council
granted,
you
want
to
come
back
back
on
those
points
quickly.
H
We'll
just
point
out
the
police
and
the
nhs
attending
about
something
produced.
Sorry,
yes,
can
I
pick
that.
L
Up,
I
mean,
I
think
the
we've
got
the
different
levels
of
engagement
in
each
of
those
meetings
by
the
different
agencies
that
are
involved,
and
sometimes
it's.
You
know.
I
think
we
are
working
very
closely
with
them.
I've
had
conversations
with
the
senior
partners
in
the
police
and
the
health
service.
This
is
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it
at
the
safeguarding
children's
partnership
and
it's
and
people
in
a
more
operational
in
more
operational
roles
are
also
working
on
this
in
absolute
detail.
L
So
we'll
reassure
you
that
we've
got
commitment,
absolute
commitment
from
our
health
partners,
absolute
commitment
from
our
police
partners
in
terms
of
resolving
this
issue,
you
know
again,
I
will
just
point
to
the
fact
that
we
have
been
trying
to
manage
some
of
this
in
a
in
a
pandemic
where
people
at
times
have
been
pulled
away
from
their
day-to-day
responsibilities
to
respond
on
a
more
global
level,
and
as
that
happens,
sometimes
some
of
these
processes
aren't
able
to
be
met.
L
The
health
service
continued
to
provide
us
with
information
and
to
in
those
circumstances
where
they
might
not
be
able
to
immediately
attend
a
strategy
discussion,
and
given
that
the
process
is
beyond
that,
ofsted
found
to
be
absolutely
in
place
in
terms
of
child
protection
conferences.
All
of
those
things,
then
you
did
get
an
early
engagement
with
all
of
the
agencies
in
those
processes,
so
we're
all
looking
across
the
partnership
together
about
what
the
barriers
to
this
are.
We've
already
seen
an
improvement
since
the
inspection
and
we're
working
hard
to
continue
that
further.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
so,
and
I
wonder
perhaps,
if
part
of
our
ongoing
work
looking
at
this,
it
might
be
useful
to
hear
from
from
those
partners
at
some
point
so
jackie's.
The
next
contributor.
Please.
F
Just
one
or
two
comments,
sometimes
I
feel
sometimes
we
focus
on
the
nexus
too
much
and
I
just
like
to
say
that
all
children
saw
their
social
workers
and
for
each
child
to
see
social
work
over
the
last
18
months
is
a
huge
thing
for
each
child.
They
weren't
left
and
no
child
was
in
danger
and
all
our
children
were
safe
and
for
me
that
is
the
main
thing
for
each
child.
F
All
staff
worked
under
very
difficult
circumstances
over
the
last
two
years
and
we
have
to
see
that
in
whatever
comes
up
as
well.
It's
you
can't,
you
can't
say
we
have
to
celebrate
our
positives
as
well.
As
I
know
we
have
things
to
do,
but
we've
come
a
long
way
in
the
last
10
years.
I've
been
on
the
board,
just
like
you
know,
requiring
improvement.
We've
come
a
long
way.
Yes,
we've
got
three
or
four
things
that
we
need
to
improve,
but
it's
a
lot
better
than
we
were
10
years
ago.
A
Thank
you,
jackie.
That's
really
helpful
and
appreciated.
I'm
sure
councillor
richards
is
next.
Please.
I
Thank
you,
chad,
as
councillor
benner
alluded
to
the
theatre
of
full
council,
doesn't
allow
full
stories
sometimes
to
come
out
and
offset
is
also
a
bit
of
a
performance,
and
I'm
aware
of
that-
and
I
think
you
made
a
really
good
point-
that
the
issues
raised
by
the
ofsted
letter
make
the
focus
so
much
easier
and
make
it
absolutely
spot
on
for
you
to
be
for
it
to
be
easier
to
be
done.
My
only
question
is
about
timescale.
I
I
know
that
it's
been
said
that
you
know
things
are
being
addressed
immediately.
Etcetera,
I'd
just
be
interested
to
know
what
the
sound
of
the
short
medium
and
sort
of
a
longer
term
plan
would
be
because,
as
you
again
pointed
out,
council
event,
there
will
be
this
process
where
there'll
be
a
revisit.
There'll
be
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
I'm
just
interested
to
know
where
that
sits
within
the
time
frame,
that's
being
given
to
you
in
that
way.
L
Yeah,
so
if
you
you
look
at
the
recommendations,
then
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
quality
and
independence
of
projects
we've
made
the
changes
there
now
to
ensure
that
there
that
there
is
explicit
independence
and
moderation
of
those
audits,
we've
put
in
place
a
way
that
we
will
pull
together
the
themes
and
communicate
that
with
them
with
all
of
our
workforce.
L
So
you
know
we'll
start
to
see
the
impact
of
that
within
within
a
few
weeks,
because
people
are
doing
that
people
will
be
undertaking
that
process
in
a
different
way
the
quality
and
impact
of
management
oversight.
Again,
we've
worked
with
the
managers.
L
There's
a
plan
in
place
for
what
immediate
actions
we
need
to
take
in
terms
of
the
rationale
for
decision
making
being
absolutely
clear
and
explicit
in
all
of
the
case
files,
so
that
workers
is
is
already
there
and
then,
and
I've
just
talked
about
what
we've
done
around
the
strategy
discussions.
This
issue
around
the
quality
and
consistency
of
assessments
and
and
supervision,
and
we've
put
we've
already
met
with
some
of
our
frontline
staff
to
understand
what
some
of
the
challenges
are,
and
that
will
be
something.
L
That
is
something
that
we
work
on
all
of
the
time,
because
it's
the
you
know
it's
a
bit
like
the
core
bit
of
teaching
and
learning
in
in
schools.
It's
the
thing
that
you
have
to
keep
concentrated
on
keeping
people
trained
and
developed
and
supported
on
them.
So
what
we
have
done
with
that
is
to
increase
the
development
opportunities
around
that
and
making
sure
that
we
we've
put
processes
in
place
that
ensure
that
everybody
gets
that
training
development.
They
have
ease
of
access
to
it.
We're
making!
L
You
know
just
taking
different
approaches
to
some
of
that,
some
of
that
development.
But
we
think
that
that,
alongside
the
face-to-face
teams
coming
together,
the
face-to-face
management
supervision
will
improve
the
consistency
of
that
practice.
So
we
should
see
that
happening
again
fairly
soon
and
we've
put
some
some
actions
in
place
that
are
as
I've
described
immediately.
But
those
those
issues
about
the
continuing
improvement
of
practice
are
much
longer
term
ones
and
we're
already
part
of
our
service
improvement
plans.
But
we've
we've
bolstered
them
to
make
it
more
robust.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
I've
got
councillor
flynn
next,
please.
E
Thanks
alan
caroline
salon,
to
a
certain
extent
yourself,
I
actually
pretty
much
answered
the
the
questions
I
was
going
to
ask
and
really
I
I
wondered
if
we
could
have
a
regular
update
at
each
scrutiny
board
meeting
in
future
about
progress
on
the
on
three
areas
that
the
austin
inspection
identified,
but
more,
particularly
because
I
was
very
concerned
at
the
lack
of
attendance
of
the
nhs
and
the
police
at
the
key
strategy
meetings.
So
if
that
could
fall
for
past
of
the
report,
back
I'd
be
grateful
thanks.
L
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
I
just
want
to
take
you
know
we
take
joint
responsibility
as
a
partnership
for
those
for
those
strategy
discussions.
So
it's
all
of
our
responsibility
to
ensure
that
all
of
our
processes
are
really
tight
and
that
we
are
engaging
with
each
other
to
make
that
process
as
straight
forward
as
possible,
because
it
has
to
happen
within
a
very
short
space
of
a
very
short
space
of
time,
and
we
have
seen
some
improvements
previously.
L
But,
as
I
said,
since
they
inspect,
you
know
got
full
commitment
from
both
both
sets
of
partners.
Absolutely
no
doubt
on
that,
and
since
the
inspection
in
terms
of
that
raw
data,
which
is,
it
has
significantly
improved
and
we'll
have
to
come
back
and
report.
A
B
Thanks,
I
was
just
I'm
going
to
say
just
from
the
perspective
of
somebody
who
has
worked
in
the
past,
with
directly
with
social
workers,
in
capacity
of
providing
legal
support
and
actually
going
into
social
work
offices
and
seeing
how
they
actually
operate
on
the
ground.
It
is
obviously
a
very
collaborative
profession
and
particularly,
I
think,
for
newly
qualified
and
recently
qualified
staff.
It's
so
important.
B
A
sale
says
to
have
that
contact
with
colleagues
on
the
ground
to
learn,
particularly
in
terms
of
understanding
about
how
to
analyze
how
to
provide
the
rationale,
and
it's
obvious
that
the
pandemic
has
hugely
affected
staff's
ability
to
be
able
to
do
that
which
would
explain
some
of
the
issues
around
the
consistency
and
reflection.
It's
really
encouraging
sort
of
here.
You
know
the
plan
for
improvement,
and
I
see
it
as
an
opportunity.
B
I
don't
see
as
a
negative
at
all
in
the
context
of
you
know,
really
difficult
circumstances
that
really
dedicated
staff
have
been
working
in.
I
think
my
only
sort
of
question
would
be.
B
Obviously,
people
are
working
they're,
seeing
each
other
they're
back
working
together,
again
more
so
at
the
moment,
but
I'm
just
conscious
of
the
government's
plan
b
in
terms
of
infection
rates
and
the
potential
for
us
to
go
back
to
a
bit
of
a
working
from
home
scenario.
Again.
How
does
that
actually
affect
social
work,
practice
on
the
ground
and
the
ability
to
sort
of
address
these
areas
for
improvement,
and
also
just
in
terms
of
sort
of
the
training?
B
Really
I'd
be
interested
to
know
a
bit
more
about
that
in
terms
of
what
extent
do
against
more
newly
qualified
staff
get
the
opportunity
to
really
kind
of
sit
down
and
look
at
individual
case
studies
and
have
that
sort
of
discussion
around
you
know
you
know
how
to
analyze,
how
to
you
know
how
to
rationalize
how
to
reach
decisions
and
recommendations,
but
yeah?
No,
I'm
not
sorry.
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say
as
well
was
just
in
terms
of
other
agencies
as
well.
B
All
of
the
agencies
are
obviously
under
such
significant
pressure
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
and
I
think
it
was
difficult
prior
to
the
pandemic,
often
to
get
representatives
from
agencies
to
attend
strategy
discussions.
I
can
tell
you
that,
from
experience
from
getting
back
a
long
time
but
and
unconscious,
you
know
of
those
increasing
pressures
going
forward
and
I
think
as
well.
B
It
comes
down
to
resources,
it
comes
down
to
funding
and
it's
just
really
encouraging
to
hear
sal
saying
that
you
know
agencies
are
sort
of
you
know,
working
together
and
there's
really
good
dialogue
happening.
So
I
just
sort
of
want
to
say
don't
be
disheartened.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
kate.
I'm
going
to
take
councillor
brooks
as
the
the
last
contribution
and
then
we
can
sum
up
and
and
sort
of
agree
what
what
our
next
steps
are
from
there.
So
councillor
brooks
please.
D
Thank
you
chair
just
very
briefly
to
know
that
time's
pressing.
So
it's
on
page
60
of
the
report.
It
says
with
regards
to
the
the
domestic
abuse,
because
I
think
I
think
we
all
know
that
there's
been
a
national
rise
in
domestic
violence
over
the
pandemic
and
there's
a
recently
introduced
multi-agency
meeting
to
strengthen
their
response
to
domestic
abuse
and
then
it
it
says,
as
this
is
a
recent
development,
it
was
too
soon
to
identify
the
impact
of
these
arrangements.
D
I
just
I
just
wondered
if,
like
internally,
whether
whether
there's
been
any
sort
of
positive
outcomes
from
that
approach,
or
whether
it's
still
too
soon
to
say,
like
it's,
not
clear,
whether
that's
it's
sort
of
too
soon
for
the
for
the
ofsted
report
to
say,
or
whether
it's
too
soon
for
the
council
to
say,
if
that
makes
sense,.
A
L
I
think
julie
wants
to
come
in
on
the
detail
of
that
soon.
Okay,.
D
Yeah
just
to
say
it
is
a
multi-agency
arrangement,
so
it
is
something
that
will
review
it's
very
very
early
days,
but
we're
almost
reviewing
it
on
a
weekly
basis
and
then
a
more
detailed
multi-agency
review
on
a
monthly
basis.
So
it's
ourselves.
It's
like
the
lease.
It's
the
police.
You
know
it's
a
whole
multi-agency
approach.
We
are
hearing
really
positive
feedback
from
the
operational
staff
who
are
involved,
and
there
was
something
about
it.
D
The
process
helping
us
in
particular
look
at
re-referrals
so
where
we
were
having,
you
know,
victims
of
domestic
violence
who
were
being
referred,
our
instance
of
domestic
violence
in
relation
to
the
same
families.
This.
This
is
an
area
that
we
really
really
wanted
to
focus
on,
because
the
question
is:
what
do
we
need
to
do
differently
in
order
to
break
this
cycle
and
to
address
the
issues?
So
we've
got
some
really
really
positive
feedback,
we're
monitoring
it.
D
As
I
say
on
a
weekly
and
monthly
basis-
and
there
are
some
tweaks-
you
know,
as
you
would
expect
just
in
terms
of
you
know
more
process
in
terms
of
pathways,
etc.
And
but
you
know
the
early
indications
are
that
it
is
having
a
positive
impact
and
in
particular
on
some
of
the
areas
where
we
did
want
that
additional
focus.
L
And
just
come
and
cancel
on
just
a
couple
of
points
from
kate's
contributions,
so
thanks
kate.
For
for
that,
that's
really
helpful.
I
think
I
do
think
that
there's
something
for
us
if
we
end
up
in
a
another
situation,
there's
something
for
us
about.
You
know
now
kind
of
knowing
a
bit
more
about
what
people
really
might
have
needed
in
that
in
that
pandemic.
Given
I
think
it's
the,
I
think
it's
the
depth
with
which
it
has
impacted.
L
If
you
think
about
those
you
know,
we
think
about
those
rates
that
I
talked
about.
You
know
a
couple
a
quarter
of
a
mile
from
here
and
sixteen
hundred
per
hundred
thousand
and
you've
got
professionals
that
are
needing
to
go
in
and
visit
in
those
circumstances
and
where
they
come
away
to
and
where
they
have
that
face-to-face
contact.
I
think
that
we
would
want
to
maybe
look
at
what
have
we
learned
from
that?
L
If
we're
going
to
another
lockdown,
is
there
something
else
that
we
can
do
to
really
shore
up
and
strengthen
the
face-to-face
support,
even
in
even
in
those
quite
challenging
circumstances?
So
there
is
that
I
think
again,
very
insightful.
L
In
terms
of
your
points
about
newly
qualified
staff
and
the
support
that
they
need,
you
know
I,
I
could
still
tell
you
about
who
the
people
were,
that
influenced
me
in
my
first
few
months
as
a
social
worker
back
in
1994,
and
so
the
interaction
with
your
team
and
your
team
manager,
particularly
and
your
advanced
practitioner
in
your
team.
L
Those
are
the
people
that
you
learn
the
most
from,
and
it's
often
a
really
big
step
between
becoming
qualified
and
doing
those
first
few
visits
and
working
on
your
first
few
working
with
your
first
few
children
and
families,
and
so
I
think
that
we
pay
attention
to
that
as
people
are
coming
back
and
making
sure
that
they've
got
all
the
support,
and
you
know
leadership
that
they
need
in
that
space.
A
D
I
think
the
final
thing
for
me
on
this
is
that
the
fact
that
as
people
have
come
back
in
to
be
quite
honest,
you
don't
really
know
what
you've
missed
until
you're
back
in.
So
I
think
we're
you
know:
we're
really
gathering
feedback
from
staff
from
really
qualified
staff
from
experienced
social
workers
from
team
managers
just
about
now
that
they're
backing.
Actually
they
can
almost
sort
of
retrospectively
think
about
what
would
have
made
that
difference
going
forward.
D
You
know
and
in
the
event
that
we
are
in
a
plant
b
and
we've
certainly
got
a
lot
of
feedback
from
staff
that
we
can,
and
you
know
we
can,
we
can
use
to
plan
ahead.
Thank
you,
ken.
A
Thank
you,
julie
and
thank
you
very
much
to
everyone.
Who's
contributed
and
I
would
I
think
exactly
the
right
tone
has
been
struck.
It's
our
job
to
be
challenging,
but
the
way
we
make
the
challenge
is
as
important
as
making
the
challenge.
So
in
terms
of
next
steps,
I
think
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
keep
this
as
a
standing
item
for
as
long
as
we
feel
is
appropriate.
That
might
be
for
not
too
many
cycles
or
or
a
few.
A
It
doesn't
have
to
be
particularly
in
depth,
and
I
don't
want
to
put
huge
pressure
on
on
sal
on
the
team
to
bring
us
a
massive
report
every
time
it
can
just
be
theirs.
It
doesn't
necessarily
even
need
a
report
which
is
there's
an
item
for
information
to
give
us
an
update
and
then,
as
things
progress,
we
can
sort
of
determine
if
any
more
action
is
needed
or
if
we're
comfortable,
that
everything
is
on
the
right
track,
and
so
does
that
sound
reasonable.
A
A
Okay,
is
everybody
happy
with
that
or
are
there
any
alternative
suggestions,
I'm
seeing
thumbs
up
and
nods,
so,
okay,
excellent
right?
Well,
thank
you
and
thank
you
again,
everybody
for
for
striking
the
right
tone
in
that.
So
if
we
move
on
to
item
six,
which
is
the
work
schedule
I'll
hand
over
to
angela
to
take
us
through-
and
I
believe
sal
might
want
to
chip
in
on
on
this
one
as
well
so
angela.
B
This
report
relates
to
the
board's
fourth
grade
work
schedule.
However,
the
report
does
also
reference
the
decision
that
was
taken
by
the
board
to
hold
an
additional
meeting
last
week
on
the
8th
of
september,
primarily
to
consider
the
proposal
to
expand
saint
edwards
catholic
primary
school
and,
as
the
board
is
aware,
a
statement
was
subsequently
produced
agreed
by
board
members,
which
sets
out
the
board's
observations,
conclusion
and
recommendations
for
the
consideration
of
the
executive
board
as
part
of
its
forthcoming
meeting
on
the
22nd
of
september.
B
So,
with
regard
to
the
board's
fault
schedule,
the
latest
version
is
attached
with
appendix
one
for
members
consideration,
and
I
will
now
be
updating
this
to
reflect,
what's
being
discussed
today
by
the
board
in
relation
to
the
board
receiving
regular
updates
to
track
the
implementation
on
the
impact
of
the
improvement
action
plan
that
has
been
put
in
place
following
the
off
day.
B
Focused
visit
the
child
property
update
report
for
march
meeting
now
also
the
proposal
to
arrange
a
working
group
meeting
during
october,
primarily
to
look
at
implications
and
forthcoming
guidelines
for
gcse
and
a
level
assessments
for
2022.
B
Also,
looking
at
issues
that
have
been
raised
around
transitions,
there's
also
the
intention
of
the
directorate
to
bring
a
report
scrutiny
around
the
revised
three-year
strategy,
and
so
what
is
actually
proposed?
Just
it's
obviously,
myself
and
and
the
chair
followed
us
up
with
sal
and
his
leadership
team
in
terms
of
looking
at
appropriate
time
skills
for
these
other
pieces
of
work.
B
For
me,
then,
to
communicate
this
to
board
members,
including
any
potential
impacts
it
may
have
in
relation
to
other
planned
items
on
the
work
schedule,
as
I'm
sure
the
board's
keen
to
ensure
that
future
meeting
agendas
do
remain
manageable.
I'll
pass
back
to
you
now
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that,
angela.
I
think
that
the
summary
is
that
how
to
do
this
just
got
a
bit
longer
so
and
sal
did
you
want
to
add
anything.
L
I
think,
given
the
time
the
time
it
would
be
appropriate
for
yourself,
angela
and
myself,
to
have
that.
Have
that
communication
about
how
we
might
put
it
and
then
send
it
out
to
people
for
any
comments.
A
No
problem,
okay,
so
with
that,
then,
unless
there
are
any
questions
on
the
work
schedule,
I'm
not
seeing
any
hands
going
up.
So
if
I
can
just
really
thank
everybody
for
for
their
contributions
this
morning,
we've
covered
an
awful
lot
of
ground
in
an
incredible
amount
of
depth
and
detail,
and
it's
in
contrast
to
yesterday.
It
really
shows
how
well
and
effectively
we
can
all
work
together
when
we're
we're
focused
on
on
exactly
that.
So
it's
kind
of
reassuring
to
come
to
come
here
after
after
yesterday.
A
So
thank
you
all
for
that,
and
finally,
I'd
just
like
to
really
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
councillor
flynn,
as
it
was
technically
his
last
board
meeting
last
time
out
and
he's
substituting
for
council
stevenson,
but
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
really
recognize
the
great
contribution
he's
made
to
this
board,
which
I
certainly
recognize.
We've
got
outstanding
replacement
in
council
richards,
but
we'll
still
miss
you
councillor
flynn,
and
and
thank
you
for
for
all
that
you've
brought
to
this
to
this
agenda.
It's
much
appreciated.
A
A
All
things
going
to
plan.
We
should
be
back
in
civic
hall
in
room
six
and
seven,
and
I
will
be
able
to
provide
biscuits
at
that
point
and
it
will
feel
hopefully
a
bit
more
like
normal,
and
it
would
be
really
good
to
see
all
of
you
in
person
again
and
so.
Thank
you
very
much
everybody
and
see
you
next
time.