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A
A
I
think
to
everybody
agenda
item
four
declarations
of
interest.
I'm
sure
that
if
you've
got
any,
you
would
have
declared
them
already
agenda
item.
Five:
apologies
for
absence
and
notification
of
substitutes.
We've
got
councillor
renshaw
here.
Welcome
karen
we're
substituting
for
council
lisa
martin
councillor
sharpa
center
apologies
and
we've
also
got
apologies
from
martin
farrington
for
gender
item
seven
and
julian
mcleod
for
agenda
item
eight.
Okay.
Now
I've
got
that
out
of
the
way
I
will
do
the
introduction
so
going
around
the
table.
A
E
A
F
A
Thank
you,
everyone
and
I'm
councillor,
paul
truswell.
I
represent
middleton
and
belle
isle
and
I
chair
this
scrutiny
board.
Okay,
moving
on
to
agenda
item
six,
the
minutes
and
notes.
We
have
to
agree
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
7th
of
april,
because
I
think
we
haven't
been
able
to
approve
them
at
a
properly
constituted
meeting
since
that
time,
so
I'll
just
go
through
them
in
the
time-honored
fashion,
page
by
page
any
points
you
want
to
raise
or
any
corrections
please
just
shout
out
so
page
five.
A
Page
eight
and
page
nine.
So
can
I
take
the
border
agreeable
to
my
signing
these
as
a
true
record
of
that
meeting?
Okay
right
and
I
think,
we're
also
expected
to
acknowledge
the
the
meeting
that
took
place
on
the
22nd
of
july.
That's
my
understanding
becky,
although
that's
not
a
formal
part
of
the
meeting,
so
on
page
11,
just
going
through
again,
if
you've
got
any
comments
or
any
matters
arising,
any
corrections.
Please
shout
out
so
page
11.
A
On
page
14.,
okay,
thank
you
that
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
seven,
which
is
obviously
the
referral
that
we
received
from
councillor
matthew,
robinson
relating
to
the
temporary
closure
of
road
in
his
water
skulls,
and
I'm
not
going
to
do
any
great
introduction
other
than
to
say
the
floor.
Is
yours
matthew?
Normally,
we
would
allow
10
minutes
for
you
to
explain
to
us
why
you
want
us
to
look
at
this
as
a
scrutiny,
bud
we're
not
to
the
odd
minute
here
or
there.
So,
basically,
your
time
starts
now.
G
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
scrutiny
boards
and
I
will
try
and
er
on
the
side
of
brevity,
because
I
know
that
you
will
have
read
the
papers.
The
referral
was
made
on
the
12th
of
july
and
we
are
now
at
a
stage
where
the
temporary
closure
has
ended.
The
road
is
now
back
open,
but
I
think
that
this
is
more
than
the
decision
about
closing
the
road.
G
I
noted
in
my
referral
that
I
wanted
to
look
at
the
decision
to
close
leads
road,
how
the
decision
was
reached
and
the
information
shared
and
the
process
of
doing
that.
I
think
there
are
many
residents
in
schools,
but
actually
those,
in
other
words
that
neighbor
the
village
of
skulls,
who
are
unhappy
at
the
way
that
the
process
was
reached.
G
The
remit
of
this
council
is
to
look
at
being
citizen
focused,
and
there
is
a
definite
feel
from
the
community
that
this
is
not
citizen
focus
the
way
that
we
conduct
consultations
across
the
council,
but
the
way
that
the
e-law
process
has
run
has
not
allowed
residents
to
be
able
to
feed
into
the
process
and
help
shape
it
beyond.
What
was
the
original
planning
application?
G
I
think
there
is
a
definite
feeling
for
many
residents
that
working
groups
are
a
cursory
that
they
are
not
allowed
or
able
to
help,
share
and
influence
what's
coming
forward
and
that
doesn't
engender
us
to
be
a
council.
That's
looking
to
be
citizen-focused
and
looking
to
make
sure
that
we
are
representing
our
residents
and
particularly
in
when
you
think
of
big
infrastructure
projects
like
this.
G
My
own
view
is
that
in
business
we
will
be
looking
at
having
a
review
process
and
that
review
process
has
to
go
beyond
just
the
director
or
the
executive
member.
Actually,
it
should
include
scrutiny.
Looking
at
a
road
scheme,
that's
a
200
million
pound
road
scheme.
There
needs
to
be
far
more
oversight.
There
needs
to
be
a
process
that
we
engage
in
the
state
residents
such
as
mr
hall
have
explained
that
the
statement
of
community
involvement
has
not
been
met,
but
also
in
doing
all
this,
the
impact
on
the
wider
network
as
well.
G
There
are
a
number
of
roads
that
were
all
closed
at
the
same
time,
which
meant
that
the
capacity
of
the
infrastructure
network
in
and
around
the
east
leeds
was
fit
to
bursting.
It
would
have
only
taken
one
incident
to
cause
a
significant
problem,
and
I
refer
to
leeds
festival
as
a
good
example
of
that
leeds
festival
saw
additional
roads
closed
leeds
road
was
then
closed.
That
had
a
massive
impact
that
was
on
top
of
road
closures
in
garfield
and
temple
news
and
cross
gates
and
windmill.
G
So
in
signing
that
off
for
closure
of
leeds
road
that
creates
huge
difficulties
for
the
network,
huge
difficulties
for
residents,
huge
difficulties
in
terms
of
capacity
and
those
additional
closures.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
not
what's
just
happened
with
leeds
road
and
what's
happened
with
this
particular
closure,
but
it's
actually
understanding
all
future
closures
as
well,
and
what
this
might
involve.
The
a64
will
be
closed
occasions
to
facilitate
opening.
That
is
a
major
major,
a
road.
G
I
would
I
would
note
that
there
have
been
residents
who
put
foi
requests
in
and
sought
to
try
and
find
out
information
and
feel
that
that
has
not
been
particularly
helpful
or
constructive,
that
the
perception,
whether
it
is
reality
or
not,
is
that
there
is
something
to
hide,
and
I
think
transparency
needs
to
be
the
word
of
the
day.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
open
we're
clear
with
residents.
Some
residents
will
not
like
e-law
being
built.
I
fully
understand
that,
but
it
ain't
going
anywhere,
it
is
going
to
be
finished.
G
It
is
going
to
be
built.
What
we
need
to
make
sure
we
do,
though,
is
that
we
work
with
the
community
to
do
it.
Make
sure
we
understand
that,
because
there'll
be
4,
000
houses
that
come
after
it.
This
is
going
to
be
a
long
ongoing
process
and
we
need
to
get
it
right
now
to
make
sure
that
we
stand
ourselves
in
good
stead
in
the
future.
G
The
last
comment
I
would
make
sure
is
that
there'll
be
many
residents
who
are
watching
this
on
the
webcast.
If
scrutiny
does
decide
to
take
this
forward
and
to
look
into
it
further,
I
am
certain
that
they
would
happily
come
to
any
working
group,
look
to
give
evidence
and
look
to
supply
anything
that
the
scrutiny
board
would
like
that.
Wouldn't
aid,
your
discussions
and
the
deliberations
on
this
as
well
I'll
pause
there
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Jeff.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
matthew
at
this
stage,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
officers
to
to
respond
and
to
any
of
the
issues
that
they
feel
need
elucidation
from
what
counselor
robinson
has
said
and
any
other
points
that
they
want
to
make
at
this
stage.
But
again
within
that
initial
10-minute
constraint,
then
I
will
throw
it
over
to
board
members
for
questions
and
comments.
J
J
We
work
very
hard
to
minimize
that
as
much
as
possible,
but
given
the
amount
of
work
that
is
taking
place
not
just
by
ourselves
but
by
developers
and
utilities,
that
is
challenged
sometimes,
but
we
do
seek
to
mitigate
any
impact
as
much
as
we
can.
I
think
so.
The
the
report-
that's
in
the
paper
covers
many
of
the
points
that
have
been
raised,
but
I'll
just
draw
out
a
few.
J
If
I
may
highway,
legislation
is
very
clear
here
in
terms
of
a
clear
distinction
between
the
process
relating
to
permanent
orders
and
temporary
road
closure
orders.
Permanent
road
closure
orders
where
we're
bringing
something
into
effect
permanently,
obviously
requires
set
amount
of
consultation
and
engagement,
temporary
highway
legislation.
J
Sorry
legislation
relating
to
temporary
orders
is
different
in
that.
If
the
highway
authority,
using
its
experience
and
knowledge
of
the
network,
deems
that
a
road
closure
is
necessary
for
works,
it
does
have
the
authority
to
bring
about
that
closure,
and
the
highway
legislation
is
very
specific.
It's
a
very
short
period
of
notice.
It's
david
will
correct
me.
It's
seven
to
ten
days
notice
has
to
be
posted,
and
then
a
week
later
the
order
can
be
made
so
that
that's
the
legal
side
of
it
and
that
excuse
me,
that's
section.
J
J
Now
I
say
that
just
because
I'm
setting
the
legislative
background,
but
we
we
see
clearly
to
do
much
more
than
that
and
and
in
this
instance,
we
did
seek
to
do
more
than
that,
including
notifying
the
working
group.
As
soon
as
a
decision
was
recommended
to
us
about
a
road
closure-
and
we
did
consult
obviously
with
the
emergency
services
and
that
length
with
the
ambulance
service
on
several
occasions
because
of
the
feedback
quite
rightly
and
understandably
being
received-
we
followed
that
up.
J
J
J
Obviously,
we
did
receive
feedback
from
local
counsellors
and
from
the
community,
and
all
that
process
was
checked,
probably
on
several
occasions,
to
make
sure
that
original
decision
to
close
the
road
or
the
need
to
close
the
road
was
sound,
and
that
was
what
was
done.
There
was
no
alternative
at
that
stage.
J
So,
there's
a
there's,
a
huge
workload,
that's
coming
in
to
facilitate
all
the
works
that
happens
across
the
city,
understand
the
network
management
points
about
other
closures
and
works
going
on
in
the
area,
and
that
was
looked
at
and
checked
several
times,
and
here
I
would
draw
on
the
experience
and
local
knowledge
of
colleagues
in
that
team
who
know
the
area
as
well
and
are
able
to
understand
what
the
impact
may
be.
It
wasn't
an
easy
period
for
all
of
us.
J
Leeds
festival
is
a
is
a
massive
event,
as
we
all
know,
90
000
people
coming
into
that
part
of
the
city.
It
has
a
major
impact.
From
our
perspective,
what
we
saw
from
our
systems
was
that,
yes,
there
were
problems
at
the
times
that
we
would
expect
and
in
the
locations
that
we
would
expect,
but
it
wasn't
extraordinary
above
the
level
that
we
were
expecting.
J
In
terms
of
the
foi,
which
was
another
point
that's
made,
I
know
colleagues
are
gathering
all
the
information
and
that's
been
requested,
and
I
think
I
probably
just
need
to
double
check
that
with
colleagues
in
terms
of
deadlines.
We
there
are
deadlines
set
with
these
things
and
we
are
meeting
those
but
clearly
there's
nothing
to
hide
here.
We're
trying
to
be
as
open
and
honest,
I
think
all
I
would
say
here
is
whilst
there's
a
few
of
us
here
today.
J
This
is
probably
with
one
or
two
other
colleagues
that
aren't
here.
This
is
a
team
that
is
responding
to
all
the
requests
and
incoming
calls
that
were
relating
to
these
matters.
So
it
is
not
it's
not
a
a
massive
team
and
we're
trying
our
best
to
be
responsive
and
to
react
to
the
requests
that
coming
in,
and
I
know
the
pressure
that
rob
and
his
team
have
been
under
in
terms
of
delivering
the
project.
Remember.
J
This
is
a
a
major,
probably
the
the
most
significant
transport
scheme,
certainly
in
my
time
here
at
leeds
and
we'll
be
sat
here,
maybe
in
a
year's
time
and
this
scheme
will
be
open.
Indeed,
many
months
it
will
have
been
opened.
I
think
that's
a
major
achievement
for
the
team
that
are
involved
final
couple
of
comments.
If
I
may.
J
J
Ultimately,
we
are
trying
to
implement
a
scheme
that
has
a
planning
permission
and
work
to
that
and
to
discharge
the
conditions
that
that
planning
permission
has
given
us.
So
that
is
the
overriding
aim,
but
we
are
trying
to
keep
the
the
wider
community
involved
as
much
as
possible
and
regular
updates
do
go
out
to
quite
a
large
number.
I
think
it's
probably
thousands,
but
or
certainly
many
hundreds
again
rob
could
confirm
that.
J
In
summary,
in
completing
all
our
works
and
functions
as
a
highway
authority,
I
often
talk
about
a
balance
that
has
to
be
struck,
as
I
think
you'll
appreciate
chao,
it's
very
rare
that
we
can
please
everybody
all
the
time,
and
invariably
there
will
be
some
uncomfortable
periods
school
summer
holidays.
We
did
target
for
road
works
across
the
piece
and
there
are
a
lot
taking
place,
not
just
our
own,
but
developers
and
utilities.
J
A
great
deal
of
coordination
went
into
it
and
from
our
perspective,
we've
we've
collectively
achieved
a
lot.
We
continue
to
learn,
though,
and
if
there
are
lessons
to
be
learned,
then,
and
more
than
happy
to
take
those
forward
I'll,
probably
leave
it
there
chair
and
open
it
up
for
members
to
ask
questions.
A
C
Yeah
thank
you
chair.
It
just
seems
to
me
that
well,
there
are
obviously
two
sides
to
this,
but
just
referring
to
what
councillor
robinson
was
saying
and
as
I
understand
also
what
perhaps
matthew
didn't
go
into
as
much
detail
is
that
a
lot
of
people
have
been
pretty
upset
by
the
whole
situation
and
the
whole
process,
and
it's
difficult,
I'm
not
sure
whether
it's
right
to
say
things
like
this,
but
I
think
people
have
been
in
tears
and
quite
emotional
about
it.
J
Businesses
are
not
going
to
be
supportive
of
road
closures
for
obvious
reasons,
so
undertaking
some
sort
of
consultation.
We'll
just
communication
is
important
in
getting
that
out.
You
know
we
can
go
into
what
happened
with
leeds
road
and
we
we
went
above
and
beyond
the
normal
statutory
process
for
that,
but
opening
up
a
consultation
on
all
the
road
closures
that
we
have
to
facilitate
will
encumber
the
service
and
will
cause
problems
in
terms
of
delivering
major
projects,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
have
a
conversation
with
scrutiny
around
that
chair.
J
But
it
is
worth
noting
that
if,
if
anything
was
delayed
in
these
sorts
of
processes
and
schemes
get
delayed
because
of
extraneous
factors,
then
the
schemes
will
get
subject
to
compensation.
Events
and
contractors
will
submit
those
and
the
schemes
will
cost
more.
That's
just
the
way
of
the
world.
So
it's
always
a
balance,
but
that's
not
a
reason
not
to
look
at
things.
But
my
strong
recommendation
around
temporary
road
closures
is
that
there's
a
clear
legal
process
and
we
go
above
and
beyond
that,
and
we
will
continue
to
go
above
and
beyond
that.
J
B
Thanks
chair
there's
a
huge
amount,
I
think
to
unpack
here,
and
some
of
it
is
very
relevant
to
the
specific
of
easily
orbital
road.
But
but
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
a
lot
wider
than
that.
It
sort
of
highlights
lots
of
things
which
I
perhaps
come
back
to
later,
rather
than
you
know
when
perhaps
we're
discussing
how
we
go
forward,
but
just
some
specifics
to
to
to
gary
to
start
with
would
have
it
having
been
through
this
objection
or
this
inquiry
from
from
council
robinson
and
the
feedback
from
residents,
etc.
B
When
you've
done
a
report
responding
to
lots
of
those
issues,
would
you
have
done
anything
with
hindsight?
And
I
know
it's
hindsight,
but
we
can
learn
from
looking
back
and
learn
from
history.
Would
you
have
done
anything
differently
and
you
said
you're
willing
to
learn
lessons
from
it?
Are
there
lessons
that
you've
found
and
you
are
going
to
learn
from
it,
because
if
you
know
I'll,
let
you
answer
you
answer
those
two
questions.
First,.
J
J
If
we'd
undertaken
that
work
outside
of
that
period,
the
implications
for
the
local
community
would
have
been
more
severe
because
the
schools
would
have
been
open.
It
may
have
been
even
longer
period
of
closure
because,
if
we're
into
the
winter
bad
weather
shorter
working
days,
I
I
just
think
it
would
have
been
much
more
severe
so
yeah
to
answer
the
question.
J
J
There
was
a
couple
of
occasions
with
the
refuge
service,
I'm
aware
of
despite
our
planning
the
signing
and
everything
else
that's
gone
in.
I
think
drivers
on
the
ground
had
some
issues.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
a
lack
of
information
within
their
organization
or
their
parts
of
the
service,
so
maybe
there's
something
in
there,
but
the
fundamental
is
in
terms
of
decision
to
close
and
when
to
close
it,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
decisions
that
were
taken.
H
I
think
we
we
always
kind
of
communicate
from
the
beginning
that
the
success
of
the
scheme
was
not
just
about
the
end
product.
It
was
about
the
journey
that
we
go
on
as
officers
as
groups
as
as
residents
and
and
we've
we've
put
that
across
the
to
the
to
the
contractor,
and
we
were
quite
passionate
about
you
know
how
we
operate
early
in
2020.
H
We
did
communicate
the
plan
with
the
contract
on
on
what
the
ambition
of
the
scheme
was
in
terms
of
how
we
were
going
to
build
it.
You
know:
where
would
there
be
road
closures?
I
think,
in
terms
of
lessons
learned,
you
know
again,
we
were
trying
to
be
really
open
in
terms
of
you
know.
This
is
this
is
how
we're
expecting
to
con
construct
it
at
the
time
as
gary's
mentioned,
it
is
a
design
and
build
contract.
H
The
still
elements
of
design
ongoing
at
the
minute
and
and
all
of
this
was
pre
pandemic,
which
wasn't
on
on
the
radar
radar
either.
So
the
best
knowledge
at
the
time
that
we
had
as
officers
really
trying
to
be
open
with
residents
to
explain
you
know
this
is
a
large
infrastructure
scheme.
We
want
to
try
and
build
it
as
much
of
it
as
possible
without
impacting
new
cells,
and
we
are
in
week
89
of
123,
and
we
genuinely
stand
by
the
the
feeling
that
you
know.
H
We've
we've
constructed
and
made
great
progress
through
challenging
times
working
with
the
community
to
minimize
disruption
and
the
six
weeks
of
the
123
was
a
necessity.
In
the
end,
you
know
the
design
development,
the
consultation
between
the
contractor
and
the
subcontractors
about
you
know:
constructing
the
scheme
safely,
but
also
keeping
residents
pedestrians,
cyclists
safely.
H
Moving
in
and
around
the
works
inform
the
fact
that
the
the
road
closure
was
beyond
was
was
required,
and
so
in
terms
of
lessons
learned
there,
you
know
yeah,
maybe
way
back
when
when
we
were
looking
at
again
trying
to
give
as
much
information
to
residents
to
groups
about
you
know.
How
are
we
going
to
deliver
this
really
challenging
large
infrastructure
scheme?
You
know,
maybe
there's
a
there's
a
bit
of
a
stop
and
a
pause
and
understand
how
much
information
we're
sharing
you
know.
H
You
know
we
have
over
500
people
signed
up
to
the
elon
newsletter
that
we,
you
know
we
we
work
out
to
get
out
on
a
on
a
monthly
basis
again
to
keep
people
informed
of
the
scheme
so
yeah.
I
just
think
in
terms
of
lessons
learned
going
further
back
from
where
we
are
now.
I
think,
there's,
maybe
something
that
you
know.
I
think
I
could
take
away
with
the
team,
and
you
know
with
contractors,
on
schemes
in
the
future
where
we
look
at
you
know
what
that
information
looks
like
that.
B
I
first
wanted
to
come
back
on
on
gary's
answer
which,
to
be
honest,
a
little
bit
disappointed
with,
because
at
no
point
it
was
all
about
the
decision
about
the
technical
decision,
the
engineering
decision,
but
there
was
nothing
about
looking
at
the
process
of
how
residents
were
affected.
I
think
that
was
recovered
somewhat
by
by
your
answer
and
you
you,
you
talked
about
that
communications
with
with
the
residents
keeping
them
informed.
B
Can
I
just
just
a
little
little
sort
of
anecdote?
If
you
don't
mind
just
don't,
because
this
is
very
familiar
situation
for
me
for
my
from
my
previous
life,
I
used
to
I
used
to
run
a
unit.
The
telecoms
company
and
part
of
that
was
managing
a
network
to
customers
and
I'm
not
an
engineer,
but
I
had
an
engineering
manager
who
used
to
look
after
that
bit
and
when
anything
went
wrong
with
the
network.
B
B
This
is
why
I
said
it's
a
wider
issue
than
just
just
this
post
that
just
this
particular
scheme
is
when
you're
doing
something
what
is
the
resident
experiencing,
and
if
you
understand
that
you
can
then
explain
it,
they
may
the
customer
that
the
resident
experience
may
well
be
something
they
that
they
don't
like,
and
it's
something
you
can't
do
anything
about
but
demonstrate
you've
thought
about
it.
You've
understood
it.
B
B
J
J
So
I
think
additional
signs
were
were
put
up
on
on
the
diversion
route
to
encourage
cars
to
slow
down
all
that
type
of
thing
was
looked
at
and
trying
to
address
the
specific
comments
that
were
coming
back
to
us
and
and
that
isn't
always
an
ongoing
process,
but
you
do
have
to
tie
it
back
to
you
can't
change
that
fundamental
decision
once
it's
been
checked
and
the
engineering
need
for
the
closure
is
accepted
by
the
client
by
the
highway
authority.
We
then
need
to
move
to
that
next
stage.
J
F
E
Thank
you
and
just
to
add
to
that
as
well,
once
the
initial
decision
is
obviously
being
made
for
those
technical
reasons.
With
that
customer
experience
in
mind,
there
is
an
ongoing
process
within
my
team
of
network
management
of
ongoing
monitoring
of
of
roadworks,
and
on
this
particular
occasion
I
can
go
through
the
process
of
coordination.
If
members
require
that
in
more
detail,
but
once
that
closure
was
actually
undertaken,
I
have
a
team
of
officers
that
do
continue
to
monitor
the
situation.
E
So
we
don't
rely
on
the
assumptions
that
we
make
and
the
judgments
that
we
make
before
a
decision
is
made.
We
revisit
that
continuously
through
the
through
the
closure,
and
I
have
monitor
we've
been
monitoring
the
situation
through
schools
and
barrick
since
the
start
of
the
closure
during
the
leeds
festival
as
well
and
all
the
way
through
the
the
process.
F
Thank
you
just
talking
about
the
customer
experience
and
the
the
feedback
that
we
that
you
were
mentioning
when
we
did
have
the
sessions
with
the
the
members
of
schools
and
yourself.
That
was
obviously
given
us
some
some
notes
of
some
with
some
issues
and
we
did
work
hard
to
address
those
I
mean
one
of
the
major
ones
was
the
refuse
and
we
managed
to,
and
I'm
aware
there
were
some
teething
issues
the
first
weekend,
but
after
that
it
worked
well
another
one
was
the
local
farmers.
F
We
met
individual
meetings
with
the
farmers
and
managed
to
go
through
their
concerns
being
harvest.
It
was
their
big,
it
was
their
biggest
time
of
the
year
and
we
made
arrangements
to
do
that.
Services.
We
certainly
did
listen
to
the
concerns
and
when,
when
we
were
able
to
do
something,
we
we
made
sure
we
we
did
as
as
gary
mentioned.
F
A
Just
for
your
guidance
matthew,
obviously
it's
members
of
the
board
to
ask
questions
and
make
comments,
but
you
will
be
given
an
opportunity
a
to
at
least
answer
one
question
from
me,
which
may
be
a
vehicle
for
getting
your
points
across
and,
secondly,
you
will
have
the
opportunity
to
sum
up
at
the
end.
So
hopefully
you
won't
feel
as
though
you
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
do
both
of
those
things.
Jonathan,
I
think
you
said
you
wanted
to
come
back
possibly
later
in
the
discussion,
so
I'll
move
on
to
councillor
wadsworth.
K
Thank
you
chair.
It's
just
really
about
your
reliance
on
road
closures
across
the
piece
because
in
the
last
few
years,
we're
seeing
so
many
more
road
closures
than
we
ever
saw
before
so
has
there
been
a
change
to
legislation
or
has
been
a
change
to
the
policy?
How
is
it
being
done
for
a
cost
basis,
because
when
I
get
a
real
closure
in
my
ward,
I
challenge
them
all,
and
quite
often
there
is
nothing
that
can
be
done
and
sometimes
they
get
changed
to
nights
only
sometimes
they
get
trimmed
back
in
time.
K
And
you
know
we
are
getting
a
very
reliant
on
road
closures
and
just
doing
it
and
it's
sort
of
understanding
the
wider
impact
of
road
closure,
because
although
this
one
has
now
happened-
and
we
can't
go
back,
there
are
more
to
do
on
this
scheme
and
there
will
be
other
schemes
where
road
closures
are
used
and
it's
a
case
of
understanding
from
the
public
that
they
are
absolutely
the
last
resort.
And
you
haven't
looked
at
every
other
alternative
before
or
is
it
just
easier
to
go
contractor
wants
it
granted
end
off.
E
Through
your
chair,
yeah
yeah,
the
the
the
numbers
of
road
closures
have
been
pretty
similar
for
about
four
or
five
years
now
they
were
quite
significantly
lower
than
that,
perhaps
in
2015
and
before
that,
but
for
the
last
few
years,
they've
been
quite
steady
between
800
and
900,
and
if
projections
for
this
year
continue,
the
number
of
road
closures
will
rise
actually
this
year,
possibly
to
around
a
thousand,
but
just
to
address
the
specific
questions
about
the
check
and
the
challenge.
That
is
something
that
is
that
goes
on
continuously
my
team.
E
E
There
are
occasions
we
don't
expect
the
number
of
road
closures
to
drop
off
because
of
the
amount
of
investment
that's
been
undertaken
in
the
city,
but
there
are
occasions
where
it's
rare.
We
actually
require
road
closures,
because
we
made
a
judgment
based
on
our
experience,
that
that
will
actually
be
a
lot
less
disruptive
than
another
method
of
traffic
management.
But
that's
in
the
that's
in
the
rare
case,
as
a
mindset.
E
The
you
mentioned
night
work
in
weekend
working.
Those
are
all
factors
extended,
working
extended
working
hours,
as
has
been
the
case
on
the
elai
projects,
there's
quite
very
long
shifts
being
undertaken
to
try
and
mitigate
that
that
impact
on
around
schools.
On
this
occasion
and
looking
at
the
monitoring,
the
the
the
effect
of
the
closure,
thankfully,
has
been
manageable.
It's
been
a
successful
project.
From
our
point
of
view,
it
has
obviously
been
unconvenient
for
the
residents
of
schools,
but
they
haven't
been
subjected
at
least
to
extensive
queueing
through
the
village.
E
The
highway
network
has
coped
well
and
just
to
cover
off
the
point
about
the
coordination
as
well.
We
have
very
robust
systems
in
place
to
check
how
schemes
interact
with
one
another,
not
just
the
locations
of
the
schemes,
but
also
the
the
associated
diversions,
where
there
are
closures
and
that's
a
combination
of
technology
that
we
use
and
very
experienced
officers
that
work
working
areas
so
they're
very
familiar
with
the
the
areas
that
they
work
in.
E
E
It
also
looks
at
any
works
that
are
on
the
same
corridor
on
the
strategic
highway
network
and
it
looks
at
parallel
routes
as
well.
All
that
information
is
fed
to
our
senior
engineers
that
make
a
judgment
and
an
assessment
of
whether
or
not
there
will
be
a
clash
that
will
will
cause
effects
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
see
and
that's
when
we
start
to
assess
the
the
projects
proper
think
about
the
mitigation
and
on
occasions
it's
not
it's
not
seen,
obviously,
by
members
of
the
public,
but
we
do
obviously
prevent
works.
E
F
Just
to
comment
on
the
the
legal
position
and
legit
legislative
changes,
there
have
been
no
recent
changes
to
the
the
relevant
legislation
relating
to
making
temporary
traffic
orders.
As
gary
said
earlier,
the
process
is
that
we
have
to
give
a
minimum
of
seven
days
notice
by
way
of
a
press
notice
and
by
way
of
a
notice
in
the
area,
at
least
seven
days
before
the
closure
before
the
order
is
made
and
the
closure
comes
into
effect.
C
F
F
The
order
has
been
made
confirming
that
the
order
has
been
made,
and
I
think
going
on
from
that.
If
there
was
to
be
a
review
of
process,
I
think
that
would
be
the
starting
point.
As
gary
and
others
have
said,
we
have
gone
above
and
beyond
what
we're
legally
required
to
do
here.
I
appreciate
that's
a
cold,
narrow
view
of
the
situation,
but
we
have
gone
beyond
what
we're
required
to
do,
and
I
think
what
we're
required
to
do
would
be
the
starting
point
for
any
any
review
of
the
process
going
forward.
F
Thank
you.
My
question
is
actually
to
counselor
robinson,
so
you
get
your
chance
now
we're
looking
at
this
after
the
event
and
officers
have
had
the
opportunity
to
say
whether
they
would
have
done
anything
differently.
Have
you
had
any
feedback
from
residents
to
say
whether
they
would
have
done
things
differently
and
if
so,
what
is
that.
G
Yes,
I
have
when
we've
gone
through
this
process,
so
what
you're
hearing
is
that
it's
a
design
and
build,
which
is
quite
right?
That's
that's
exactly
what
it
what
it
was
when
this
was
first
briefed
to
residents.
We
were
told
there
would
not
be
a
closure
on
leeds
road.
It
was
categorical
there
wasn't.
There
was
nothing
that
came
forth.
That
said,
there
would
ever
be
a
closure
on
leeds
road.
G
I
think,
from
a
resident's
perspective,
looking
back
they're
thinking,
they
should
have
asked
some
questions
more
questions,
then,
because
what
they've
taken
is
the
information
at
face
value?
There
is
a
there
is
a
two
meter
drop
in
the
levels
that
are
there.
Now,
I'm
not
an
engineer.
So
I
don't
look
into
sort
of
this
this
thing
and
start
to
get
into
it,
but
now,
looking
back,
you
can
think
to
yourself.
Well,
of
course,
there
was
going
to
need
to
be
a
closure.
G
There
was
a
power
there,
but
that
wasn't
what
was
coming
from
contractors
from
offices
from
the
public?
We
were
accepting
the
information
at
face
value,
so
I
think
that
for
many
residents,
they're
looking
back
and
saying
well
actually
from
what's
been
delivered,
will
there
be
more
changes
going
forward,
so
I
think
their
their
thought
process
now
is
questioning
even
more
as
we've
gone
through
this
I
think
for
some
residents
they
have.
G
They
felt
that
they
need
to
engage
more
in
the
communication
process
and
engage
more
with
officers
with
the
constructors
and
try
and
work
constructively
with
them.
There
are
some
who
just
don't
like
the
fact
that
e-law
is
happening,
and
I
fully
respect
that
view,
but
I
have
said
to
many
of
them:
it
is
going
ahead.
You
know
it's
not
going
to
stop.
Actually
what
we've
got
to
try
and
do
is
work
with
officers
to
make
sure
that
it's
the
best
possible
scheme,
and
it
has
the
least
impact
there.
G
Finally,
I'm
going
to
stand
up
for
gary
here,
which
is
not
normally
that
what
happens
when,
when
you're
in
these
positions
and
you're
asking
for
scrutiny
to
look
into
the
officers
in
the
department
gary
personally
intervened
to
go
above
and
beyond
with
the
health
service.
You
you
heard
what
was
being
said
there.
We
have
to
inform
police
and
fire
that
there
is
no
duty
to
inform
health
a
resident,
and
I
won't
name
the
resident,
because
that
was
missing
and
unfair.
A
resident
resident's
wife
was
seriously
ill.
G
Three
ambulances
tried
to
get
through
and
come
they
end
up
with
three
ambulances
on
site.
She
she
was
touching,
unfortunately,
unfortunately,
just
as
I
know,
she's
improving
and
getting
better
gary
personally
intervened
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
just
the
email
was
sent,
but
that
they'd
seen
it
at
the
ambulance
service
that
they
recognized
it
and
they
said
you're
going
to
have
to
change
your
routes
and
get
involved.
G
It
shouldn't
be
for
the
chief
officer
to
have
to
intervene,
but
that's
one
example
imagine
what
happens
for
the
others
that
are
going
on
across
the
city,
where
we
don't
do
that.
I
think
we
need
to
be
better
in
terms
of
process
and
my
learning
I
think
we
need
to
be
far
better.
I
think
this
idea
that
we
do
things
to
the
legal
order
is
correct.
That
should
be
the
minimum.
We
should
be
better
than
that
and
finally,
you
know
adrian's
point
about
temporary
traffic
regulation
orders.
G
I
fully
understand
that
if
you
get
a
burst
pipe
you're
going
to
need
a
temporary
traffic
regulation
order,
you
might
have
to
close
the
road
and
that's
going
to
happen,
there's
going
to
be
slack
changes.
This
is
a
200
million
pound
rogue
project.
You
can
plan
ahead
for
this
sort
of
stuff
and
you
can
work
through
it
and
I
think
that's
why
I'm
not
looking
at
this,
and
there
are
things
that
we
can
learn
for
every
process
across
the
city.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
just
just
just
to
go
back
slightly
so
where
I
talked
about
lessons
learned
and
the
kind
of
construction
phasing
that
we
presented
to
councillors
and
and
working
parties
way
back.
When
we
didn't,
we
didn't
make
a
statement
in
there
that
there
would
be
category
categorically,
no
road
closures.
We
there's
a
reference
in
there
that
we
try
and
build
the
junction
with
minimal
road
closures.
We
would
require
a
closure
at
the
times,
obviously,
where
the
new
junction
ties
into
the
existing
network.
H
Inevitably,
there
has
to
be
some
some
form
of
closure
to
allow
us
to
construct
that
safely.
So
yeah,
I
don't
think
we
ever
said
that
they
absolutely
wouldn't
be
a
closure.
I
don't
think
we
ever
stated
that
there
would
be
a
six
week
closure
to
build
the
full
junction,
but
yeah
just
I
just
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
I
think
going
back
to
the
ambulance
service
as
well.
H
Gary
did
intervene
and
try
and
communicate
higher
up
the
chain
in
the
health
service
absolutely,
but
I
would
say
as
well
that
officers
back
on
site
were
also
trying
their
utmost
and
relentlessly
trying
to
communicate
with
the
ambulance
service,
and
I
think
we
found
out
that
that
organisation
has
got
some
some
some
issues
that
they
need
to.
They
need
to
review
internally.
So
again
we
went
over
and
above
that
would
not
typically
happen.
So
it
wasn't
just
an
email
that
was
sent
a
cold
email.
It
was
phone
calls.
J
Sorry
adrian,
I
just
added
on
to
the
comment
about
the
ambulance
service.
Really
because
it's
not
just
about
us
learning
from
this
very
large
project.
You
know
we
always
seek
to
learn
from
all
our
projects
and
I
always
talk
at
my
smt
about
continuous
improvement
needed
and
that
that
approach
to
be
taken.
J
And
I've
offered
adrian
services
to
have
a
sort
of
tutorial
with
them
to
show
what
we
do
and
how
we
manage
it,
and
so
they
will
be
able
to
see
readily
all
the
road
closures
and
all
the
road
works
that
are
going
on
across
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
scrutiny
aware
of
that
that
it's
not
just
us
that
we're
trying
to
help
the
wider
partners
as
well.
E
Yeah,
just
to
come
back
on
that
on
that
point,
that
that
was
the
the
point
I
was
going
to
raise.
We
have
invested
in
this
in
this
system
called
one
dot
network
which
gary
refers
to
that
that
contact
and
offer
has
been
made
to
the
ambulance
service.
So
we've
offered
to
give
them
a
tutorial
on
how
it's
used.
E
It's
a
system
that
the
the
public
can
can
use
as
well,
and
it
very
effectively
pulls
across
the
the
information
on
on
road
restrictions,
not
just
closures,
restrictions
as
well
on
to
sat
navs,
and
things
like
that.
So
we've
invested
in
that
and
it
is
a
useful
tool
and
it
can
be.
Its
functionality
is
also
such
that
you
can.
K
So
I
was
wondering
how
can
the
highways
department,
like
you
said
you
have
got,
that
new
system
and
how
you
can
make
it
readily
available
to
a
the
residents,
and
especially
the
emergency
services,
because
on
this
occasion
it
wasn't
the
ambulance
service.
It
was
actually
the
fire
department
that
could
not
get
to
a
house
the
house
got
burnt
down.
Luckily,
there
was
no
brain
there
and
there
was
no
no
casualties,
but
especially
when
it
comes
to
temporary
road
closures.
That's
something
we
definitely
need
to
look
at
before.
K
We
actually
have
a
major
emergency
where
somebody
actually
loses
their
life,
because
the
ambulance
or
the
fire
service
can't
get
that
on
time,
and
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
congratulate
robert
on
is
when
he
did
our
part
of
the
e-law
scheme.
They
were
very
good
at
communicating
with
us.
I
mean
you
can't
keep
everybody
happy
the
residents
or
the
business
owners
and
in
the
more
town
ward,
we
had
a
lot
of
that
and
council
buckley
sharing
the
opposite
ward
with
the
woodley
board,
but
I
saw
the
e-law
team.
K
They
were
very
responsive
to
us
within
hours.
They
would
reply
to
our
emails
and
any
residents
or
businesses
that
had
issues.
They
were
very
forthcoming
in
helping
with
those
issues-
and
I
mean
as
long
as
the
engagement
is
good
and
unless
the
the
staff
has
changed
in
the
e-law
team,
not
normally
that
we
found
them
very
good,
and
I
hope
your
experience
with
them
down
in
schools
improves
as
well,
but
we
found
them.
I
mean
I'm
sure.
K
Council
buckley
will
probably
agree
on
that,
because
we
had
no
problems
and
there
were
design
issues
with
our
scheme
as
well,
because
sometimes
engineers
don't
pick
up
things.
I
mean
like
you're
talking
about
gradients.
We
had
an
issue
with
our
with
our
roundabout
on
the
ring
road,
where,
obviously
there
was
a
gradient
issue
where
they
had
to
do
extra
work
and
had
to
work
at
night
and
do
road
closures.
So
they
were
very
good
in
that
sense,
but
again,
consultation.
What
we
can
look
at
is
especially
on
an
ongoing
scheme.
K
So
I
think
going
forwards
with
this
game.
Obviously,
as
long
as
as
long
as
there's
up-to-date
consultations
that
they
can
do
with
yourself
board
members
residents
and
I'm
sure,
you'll
have
residence
groups
up
in
schools
and
I'm
sure
the
e-law
scheme
will
the
they
will
work
with
yourselves
and
but
I
I
do
worry
about
how
we're
going
to
communicate
with
the
emergency
services
and
how
we
plan
ahead,
because
obviously,
there's
major
parts
of
this
scheme
still
to
be
delivered.
K
Like
you
said,
and
so
it's
something
that
I
think
the
officers
should
go
back
and
the
e-law
team
should
look
at,
but
I
mean
with
the
whole
process,
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
decision,
but
from
what
I've
seen
and
the
way
they've
communicated
with
our
bit
of
the
e-law
scheme
was
really
well
done,
really
well
handled
and
we
had
no
issues
with
communication
or
consultation.
To
be
honest,
so
that's
my
point
of
view.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
for
those
comments,
counselor
and
I'm
sure
rob
will
take
that
back
to
the
team.
Very
gladly.
So
thank
you
for
those
and
I'm
I'm
quite
happy,
I'm
going
to
look
at
adrian
here
in
terms
of
this
contact
with
the
emergency
services
and
how
they
take
the
information
we
give
around
our
road
closures
and
works
and
what
they
do
with
it,
and
I
think
there's
something
there
that
we
can
perhaps
do
this
tutorial
to
perhaps
not
just
the
ambulance
service
but
perhaps
offer
it
to
the
fire
as
well.
J
Possibly
the
police,
because
this
is
this-
is
not
a
scrutiny
of
emergency
services
that
aren't
here,
but
I
must
admit,
the
information
I
was
receiving
about
how
they
took
our
information
was
a
bit
of
a
surprise
to
me.
I
I
thought
they
had
would
have
x,
y
and
zed,
and
then
it
became
apparent
that
it
was
perhaps
not
sophisticated
if
I
may
put
it
that
way.
J
E
J
Well,
we
we
can
certainly,
I
think,
add
it
to
the
newsletter
that
we
send
out.
So
that's
not
a
problem.
We
can
send
a
link
to
becky
if
that's
all
right
and
send
it
around
this.
This
board,
as
well
as
I
say,
it's
open
to
the
public,
it's
there,
but
more
than
happy
to
provide
the
link.
So
that's
not
a
problem.
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
think,
if
we
accept
that
now
that
the
decision
was
needed
to
be
taken
to
close
to
close
the
road
and
and
that
the
process
around
that
was
was
followed
correctly
gary,
but
I
think
many
of
us
have
issues
with
the
communication
that
that
followed.
It
matt
said
it.
Actually,
you
know
the
legislation
that
you
mentioned
is
the
bare
minimum
that
that
you
have
to
follow
and
given
the
extent
of
the
disruption
that
this
was
caused,
then
maybe
going
above
and
beyond.
D
Even
what
you
did
was
probably
needed
and
you
officers
have
been
kind
of
reflective
in
that
manner
in
the
meeting
it
isn't
reflected
in
your
responses
in
the
report,
and
I
found
this
to
be
quite
a
direct
response.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen.
Each
point
be
answered
in
a
report
in
a
manner
in
which
this
one
has-
and
I
think
a
bit
more
contrition
in
the
offset
might
have
had
a
little
a
few
more
of
our
backs
down
rather
than
against
the
wall
on
this
coming
into
this
meeting
councillor
bentley
mentioned.
D
Is
this
someone
specifically
answering
comms
messages
on
these
things?
I
mean,
I
think
from
my
experience.
It
tends
to
just
be
the
engineer
that
gets
sent
the
messages
and
the
engineer
is
required
to
reply.
I
think
if
we,
if
we
considered
looking
outside
of
the
box
going
forward,
you
know
the
the
comms
team,
I
find
just
churn
out
press
releases.
D
They
could
be
seconded
onto
some
of
these
things
to
triage
the
messages
get
their
replies
to
residents
their
timely
fashion,
electoral
services
right
to
every
household
every
year,
reminding
them
that
they
can
sign
up
for
a
postal
vote
and
get
on
the
electoral
register
and
you've
mentioned
a
number
of
times.
Our
officers
have
mentioned
a
number
of
times.
A
newsletter
goes
out
to
residents
on
this,
so
it's
not
beyond
the
capability
to
make
people
aware.
D
As
soon
as
the
decision
is
made,
the
road
needs
to
be
closed
and
I
don't
think
anyone
is
asking
for
consultation
on
these
things,
but
you
can
usually
carry
the
majority
of
people
along
with
you.
If
you
give
them
enough
time
and
enough
enough
notice
that
they
can,
if
something
they
are
planning,
is
going
to
be
disrupted,
that
they
can
make
alternate
arrangements.
D
We
all
accept
that
you
can't
please
everybody
and
I
don't
think
anyone
knows
it
more
than
the
people
at
this
end
of
the
table,
but
you
know
there
is
things
that
can
be
learned
from
this.
Hindsight
has
been
mentioned,
and
I
don't
think
on
that.
We're
at
the
point
where
we
accept
that
you're
gonna
take
something
away
from
this
and
improve
the
process.
I
mean
matt's
story
about
the
ambulance
is
case
in
point.
D
Are
we
going
to
have
something
from
this
session
today
that
the
policy
of
leads
is
going
to
change
that
the
ambulance
service
is
going
to
be
notified
on
these
things,
regardless
of
what
the
legislation
says?
It's
foreign
police
at
the
moment
are
we
going
to
go
above
and
beyond
that
in
future
anyway,
for
something
that's
significant
in
this,
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
that
extra
communication
written
communication
potentially
goes
out
because,
as
I
said,
it's
not
beyond
this
council
to
be
able
to
do
it?
Thank
you.
E
Just
for
the
events
of
doubt
through
you,
chair
on
explained
ourselves
correctly
on
the
ambulance
point,
the
the
ambulance
service
is
is
notified
on
every
single
closure
that
is
undertaken
by
the
council.
I
don't
know
if
it's
come
across,
as
this
was
an
exception,
but
on
every
on
every
closure
that
we
carry
out
in
the
city
they
are,
they
are
notified
of
that
in
advance.
H
Thank
you,
chair
jim.
Thank
you
councillor,
just
in
terms
of
the
the
communication
again
as
councillor
shazad
has
mentioned
earlier.
The
team
have
been
working
on
on
this
project
for
three
or
four
years
now
and
like
my
statement
earlier,
regarding
you
know,
the
the
success
of
the
scheme
is
not
just
about
the
end
product.
It
is
about
the
journey
that
we
go
on.
I
think
the
team
hasn't
changed.
We
haven't
got
a
massive
team
and
we've
got
some
really.
H
You
know
competent
passionate
officers
back
at
the
office
that
haven't
just
communicated
well
during
the
phase
one
of
the
scheme.
You
know
the
initial
junction
improvements,
but
I've
continued
in
in
the
phase
three,
because
we
don't
want
local
residents
and
stakeholders
to
have
anxieties
and
concerns.
I
think
looking
at
item
4.1
in
the
engagement
element,
you
know
as
soon
as
we've
challenged
the
process
not
just
internally
on
site
in
terms
of
engineering
mindset,
but
also
with
the
network
management
team.
H
You
know
you
can
see
that
there's
seven
or
eight
weeks
in
advance
of
the
closure
that
we've
you
know
we're
communicating
this
information
to
people
so
we're
you
know
we're
absolutely
giving
as
much
notice
as
is
as
is
possible.
Obviously,
with
with
engineering
and
construction
things
change
you've
got
to
be
careful.
I
think
counselors
have
mentioned
a
full
streak
changed,
but
as
the
information
is
developed,
you
know
this
this.
This
timeline
again
is
over
and
above
what
a
typical
engineering
scheme
scheme
would
do.
H
H
You
know
they
really
really
want
to
keep
people
informed
and
if
people
have
got
queries
on
concerns
about
the
scheme,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
fully
aware
of
what
is
going
on,
make
sure
that
their
understanding
is
correct
because
on
schemes
like
this
people
do
come
to
assumptions
and
and
we've
been
open
from
the
from
the
start
to
you
know
to
ask
as
many
questions
as
possible
so
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
try
and
almost
defend
the
team,
because
you
know
council
officers.
J
Just
very
briefly,
chair
communications
is
really
key.
Isn't
it
we've
learned
that
in
recent
years
and
we
we've
developed
the
connecting
leads
brand,
which
some
of
you
will
be
very
familiar
with?
Certainly
it's
part
of
the
city
center
work
that
we've
been
doing,
but
we've
broadened
that
out
and
that
team
has
grown
to
support
our
comps
team
here
which,
as
councillor
taylor
said,
is,
has
a
slightly
different
function.
J
But
it's
it's
such
a
broad
area
of
work
and
there's
so
much
work
going
on
that
we
can
keep
adding
resources
and
resources
to
it.
But
I
think
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here
is:
we
recognize
the
importance
of
communications,
we're
still
learning
about
that
we're
adding
resource
into
it
but,
as
I
say,
we're
seeking
to
continuously
improve,
but
it
is
a
the
expectation
out
there
in
terms
of
communication
is
so
high
that
it's
it's
difficult
to
keep
up,
but
through
the
efforts
of
officers.
D
Just
a
very
brief
comment,
and
I
appreciate
that
gary
and
rob
as
well-
and
I
you
know-
I
don't
mean
it
to
sound
as
if
you
know,
officers
and
engineers
don't
respond
to
people,
because
I
know
from
an
engineer
that
covers
our
area.
That
replies
do
come
and
come
very
quickly,
but
something
has
obviously
gone
wrong
here.
D
Otherwise
we
wouldn't
be
discussing
it
today
and
I
think
if
you
would,
as
I
say,
a
bit
more
of
a
reflection
on
what
has
been
said
in
terms
of
communications
of
what
we
as
members
are
asking
for
on
behalf
of
our
residents.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned,
maybe
look
at
the
comms
team
and
say
listen.
This
thing
has
got
the
potential
to
avalanche
on
top
of
us,
it's
not
what
we
planned
for
and
it's
not
what
residents
are
expecting
at
the
moment.
D
There's
been
kind
of
mixed
messages
as
to
whether
people
thought
that
the
roads
would
close
ever
or
if
they
would
never
close
or
whatever.
But
you
know
this.
This
was
obviously
such
a
significant
change
to
how
people
were
going
to
be
getting
about
that.
You
know,
maybe,
as
I
say,
a
bit
of
thinking
outside
of
the
box
might
have
helped
avoid
coming
to
this
this
place
now,
but
just
a
comment
chair
rather
than
one
and
then
back.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah
thank
you,
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
point
actually
and
ask
one
question
about
the
this
business
about
the
ambulance
service,
because
it
just
seems
to
me
listening
to
that
that
if
nothing
came
out
of
this
morning,
except
the
new
system
of
communication
with
the
ambulance
service,
that
would
be
a
positive.
We
sometimes
come
to
these
meetings.
Thinking,
oh
well,
we're
going
to
have
a
go,
and
these
are
the
bodies
and
they're
going
to
have
to
explain
themselves,
and
actually
it
becomes
more
nuanced.
C
The
more
you
go
into
it,
and
I
just
wanted
to
clear
up
this
actually
because
have
the
ambulance
service
committed
themselves
to
coming
to
a
tutorial,
because
the
rather
diplomatic
way
that
gary
put
it
that
other
systems
might
not
be
quite
as
modern
as
they
should
be.
It's
an
interesting
one
and
I
think
the
other
services
should
commit
themselves
to
this
meeting
if
they
haven't
already
done.
E
J
And
just
for
the
avoidance
of
doubt,
just
the
repeat
agents
comment
earlier:
whenever
we
do
anything
significant
on
the
network,
whether
it's
temporary
or
permanent,
and
as
you
can
see
traffic
colleagues
here,
we
always
involve
all
the
emergency
services
just
because
the
legislation
on
temporary
closures
says
fire
and
the
police.
We
don't
just
do
that.
We
go
above
and
beyond.
So
we
always.
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that.
So
members
are
reassured
because
that's
vital.
B
Thanks
chet,
just
just
a
couple
of
questions
on
on
the
same
issue:
the
emergency
service
or
the
ambulance
service.
This
occurred
on
this
scheme
because
of
road
closures
and
an
ambulance
wasn't
able
to
get
through
to
to
a
patient
we're
doing
road
closures
all
the
time
for
years
and
years.
Is
this
the
first
time
that
we've
had
this
issue
that
an
ambulance
has
not
been
able
to
get
through
and
if
it
isn't
well,
we
should
have
sorted
out
before
now,
and
my
second
question
is:
there's
a
I
I
understand.
B
Fortunately,
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
any
major
road
works
like
this
going
through
my
ward,
but
I
understand
there's
a
you
know.
Working
group
are
the
emergency
services
involved
in
that
as
a
stakeholder
in
in
what's
happened,
because
then
you,
you
could
flag
up
quite
a
lot
of
these
issues
in
advance.
J
I
think
there
has
been
certainly
one
incident
with
a
major
event
that
was
claimed,
but
that's
going
back
a
few
years
and
there
was
an
inquiry
into
that
or
an
investigation
into
that,
but
I'd
if
further
further
information
is
needed.
I'll
have
to
look
into
it.
But
from
my
perspective,
it's
certainly
not
a
common
occurrence
and
we
always
make
sure
that,
as
I
say,
consultation
or
notification
takes
place
and
that
our
road
closures
are
well
signed.
H
Thank
you
chair
in
terms
of
the
working
groups.
We
we,
we
have
a
number
of
working
groups.
So
obviously
the
scheme
is
seven
kilometers
long
and
it
goes
through
a
number
of
different
different
wards
and
communities.
So
we've
got
around
three
different
community
working
groups
and
they
are
specifically
with
local
resident
residents
and
interested
stakeholders.
H
We
absolutely
do
include
all
of
the
emergency
services
as
as
part
of
any
communication
we
send
out,
and
they
are
key
stakeholders
of
ours.
So
are
the
likes
of
metro.
You
know
the
bus
operators
locally,
but
I
think
from
my
experience
going
when
we
when
we
before
the
pandemic
and
we
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
these
meetings
in
public.
H
You
know
the
the
emergency
services
they're,
clearly
struggling
from
a
resource
perspective
as
well,
and
obviously
that's
not
nothing
that
that
we
can
control.
So
I
suppose
they
the
way
that
they
operate
and
do
it
they
attend
meetings
and
are
able
to
digest
information
that
comes
in
I'm
sure
it
is
a
challenge
within
within
their
organizations
as
much
as
within
within
late
city
councils,
but
in
terms
of
as
a
project,
not
just
this
project.
H
You
know
within
the
rest
of
the
civil
engineering,
major
schemes
team,
we
we
absolutely
communicate
early
about
planned
works
and
during
the
works
and
and
after,
if
needs
be,
there
were
well
in
advance
signs
out
on
the
network
as
well.
Obviously
we
use
social
media,
we
send
emails,
we
chase
up
with
phone
calls.
There
were
advanced
signs
with
the
information
on
as
well
so
yeah.
We.
We
have
asked
that
those
questions
of
the
emergency
services
and
there's
definitely,
I
think,
lessons
to
be
learned
from
from
other
organizations
as
well.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
A
couple
of
things
learning
a
lesson
and
moving
it
forward.
I
think
that
it
should
be
for
me
as
a
counselor,
not
for
the
department,
because
as
a
lead
to
the
councils,
we
are
relying
on
to
the
you
know,
chief
and
senior
officers,
to
make
sure
they
are
following
everything
and
not
to
the
you
know.
Each
scheme
we're
going
to.
We
are
learning
the
lessons
of
moving
forward.
I
That's
not
good
enough
for
bnc
for
for
me
for
the
gifting
and
hair
health,
and
I'm
sure
we
all
are
here
to
you
know
responsible
persons
for
across
the
city
right
and
the
emergency
services.
I
think
dances
should
be.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
to
be
honest
with
you,
chair
is
any
local
residents
making
any
objections?
Yes
or
not.
Elective
members
are
putting
any
contribution,
yes
or
not.
I
J
Well,
just
to
confirm
that
health
and
safety
is
of
the
paramount
importance
and
consideration
for
everything
we
do
and
the
closure
was
enacted,
because
we
wanted
to
ensure
the
safety
of
not
only
the
people
carrying
out
the
work,
but
also
the
general
public
who
might
have
been
using
that
part
of
the
highway,
and
it's
our
number
one
consideration
as
a
service
and
certainly
within
my
management
team.
I'm
sure,
colleagues
will
recall
me
saying
it
many
times.
J
The
most
important
thing
I
expect
of
them
day
in
day
out
is
for
them
to
arrive
safely
at
work,
carry
out
their
duties
safely
for
the
benefit
of
everybody
in
the
community,
and
then
they
go
home
safely,
and
that
is
the
most
important
thing
that
we
have
as
a
as
a
service.
So
it's
just
to
reassure
that
it's
right
up
there
and
nothing
is
more
important
and
that's
why
we
do
consult.
We
do
notify,
and
in
this
instance,
we
went
above
and
beyond
quite
considerably.
J
A
A
Obviously,
consultation
is
a
word
that
we
bandy
about
all
the
time
within
the
community
within
within
amongst
politicians,
but
what
specifically,
what
specifically
could
have
been
done
in
this
particular
case
and
maybe
in
other
future
ones,
to
improve
the
overall
process,
because
at
the
moment
we've
got
this
vague
notion
that
it
didn't
go
right
that
we
could
have
done
better.
But
what,
from
your
perspective
as
a
ward
member
in
representing
your
residence,
would
you
have
thought
should
have
been
done.
G
So
in
discussion
with
the
director
and
with
rob
as
the
project
manager,
there
were
a
number
of
suggestions
around
this
particular
road
closure
that
we
offered
and
said
to
them
could
be
taken
forward,
those
in
defense
of
the
officers,
those
were
looked
at
and
reviewed,
but
not
taken
forward.
I
think
that
was
a
missed
opportunity.
I
think
they
could
have
been,
but
that
that's
been
and
gone
in
terms
of
specific
improvements.
I
think
there's
definitely
communication
that
needs
to
be
improved
from
this
rob
mentioned.
I
think
about
500
people
are
on
the
mailing
list.
G
This
scheme
covers
my
ward,
prosecute
somewhere,
more
temple
news
and
councillor
dies.
Well,
this
small
town
ward
is
in
our
woodley
ward
for
500
people
to
be
on.
It
suggests
that
we
haven't
communicated
very
well
we've
not
got
that
message
out
there
and
the
second
part
to
that
is.
I
would
hope
that
from
today
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
board
and
for
residents
to
feed
into
the
process
as
well.
G
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
missed
opportunity
from
today
to
almost
kick
the
ball
back
to
the
department
and
say:
well
what
would
you
do
differently?
Looking
back,
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
feed
in
the
scrutiny
and
the
weight
that
scrutiny
will
add
to
adrian's
arm
means
that
emergency
services
will
take
more
account
of
it.
I
think
quite
often
what
we
know
is
that
stakeholders
will
get
sent
the
notice
in
the
email
and
it'll
get
read,
but
not
actioned.
A
J
I
I
think
most
of
it's
been
covered
chair.
Maybe
it's
just
an
opportunity
just
to
cover
off
a
point
that
was
made
that
I
didn't
come
back
on.
I
think
it
was
councillor
bentley
who
used
the
words
that
an
ambulance
didn't
get
through.
Well,
just
just
for
clarity
and
accuracy.
The
ambulance
did
get
through.
One
of
the
ambulances
did
get
through.
Unfortunately,
two
of
them
did
go
to
the
point
of
the
closure,
having
not
followed
the
signs,
but
one
one
did
get
through.
J
I
still
honestly
believe,
though,
that
some
individuals
were
just
dead
against
the
closure
of
leeds
road
for
various
reasons
and
no
matter
the
level
of
communication,
consultation
notification,
we
would
have
done.
We
would
be
probably
still
sat
here,
because
that
decision
for
a
closure
was
still
there
and
then
finally,
just
to
come
back
on
the
newsletter
500
people
on
it.
That's
a
voluntary
thing
where
people,
if
they're
interested
in
the
scheme,
can
sign
up.
J
A
G
Thank
you,
matthew.
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
don't
intend
to
go
over
lots
of
old
ground
and,
what's
already
been
discussed,
I
think
the
takeaways
from
this
that
I'd
be
keen
for
the
board
to
look
at
and
considering
in
how
they
take
forward
is
looking
at
communication,
getting
communication
right,
making
sure
that
we
do
that
not
just
externally,
but
internally,
as
well
was
mentioned
about
the
refuse
service
not
getting
through.
I
mean
it
wasn't
for
a
lack
of
of
notice
that
they
didn't
get
through.
G
Obviously,
it
went
to
somebody
and
it
was
not
actioned,
so
I
think
there's
things
we
can
do
externally
to
communicate
and
internally,
I
think,
there's
a
collaboration
process,
how
we
work
collaboratively
with
external
partners
and
stakeholders,
but
with
residents
too
the
point
made
by
councillor
bentley.
You
know
this
customer
focus
and
when
I
opened
I
said
you
know
a
citizen
focus
to
this.
I
think
that
we
have
to
come
back
to
that
and
I
fully
appreciate
from
an
officer's
perspective.
G
They
need
to
deliver
the
scheme
and
get
the
scheme
done,
and
they
want
to
make
sure
they're
trying
to
take
as
many
people
with
them
as
possible.
I
think
the
duty
is
on
us
as
counsellors
to
think
about
that
citizen
impact
that
comes
alongside
it
and
to
keep
that
in
check
too
and
finally,
that
e-law
is
a
huge
project
as
well,
and
we
can
look
at
it
as
one
in
isolation
to
learn
things
from
and
improve
practice
elsewhere.
G
The
the
only
last
comment
I
would
make
is
that
I
don't
think
any
officer
of
this
council
wakes
up
in
the
morning
and
thinks
do
you
know
what
I
fancy
doing
a
rubbish
job
today?
I
don't
think
if
that
any
single
one
of
them
expenses
you
know,
I
think
I
want
to
make
life
a
bit
more
difficult
for
some
of
the
residents
of
leeds
today.
I
actually
think
they
do
want
to
make
improvements
here
and
the
job
our
job
as
council
is,
is
to
try
and
help
make
that
improvement
with
them.
G
A
D
Thanks,
chair
yeah,
I
think
that
that
sounds.
That
sounds
really
appropriate.
I
mean
from
our
discussion.
I
think
we're
not
entirely
clear
as
to
the
process
that
highways
follow
when
they're
looking
to
close
a
road
and
to
have
a
document
in
front
of
us
which
we
can
look
at
and
say,
okay.
Well,
this
sounds
good,
but
really
we
think
you
should
also
be
doing
this
as
as
a
as
a
rule
on
each
one.
D
A
Just
to
be
clear,
I
think
my
proposal
goes
wider
than
just
the
process
for
road
closures.
It
talks
about
significant
and
how
you
define
significance,
of
course,
is
going
to
be
in
the
high
of
the
behold
about
our
significant
projects
will
unfold
so
that
there
is
a
starting
point
that
we
can
share
with
members
with
the
public,
parish
councils
etc.
To
say
you
know,
this
is
something
that
you
can
hold
us
to.
A
A
I
think
it's
got
to
hasn't
because
it's
an
issue
that
we
focused
on
it's
an
issue.
We've
raised
sure
officers
have
noted
all
those
points,
becky
will
have
noted
them
and
they
will
be
in
the
minute
so
yeah.
I
would
assume
that
it
has
to
embrace
that,
because
we
have
a
real
duty
of
care.
Don't
we
to
our
residents
whether
we
run
the
service
directly
or
not,
so
would
that
be
an
acceptable
way
forward?
Everyone
in
agreement
with
that
great
okay?
Well,
thank
you
matthew!
A
Thank
you,
citizens
of
schools
and
thank
you
officers
for
coming
along
and
responding
to
our
questions,
as
well
as
the
detailed
point
by
point
report,
which
was
partly
down
to
the
chairs
request
matthew.
If
you
want
okay
right
moving
on
so
we'll
allow
matthew
and
the
officers
to
depart
from
the
top
of
the
table,
those
who
need
to-
and
I
think
we've
got
a
couple
of
other
officers
coming
in.
B
F
J
J
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
and
before
we
we
launch
into
this
particular
subject,
I
did
have
an
email.
Well,
sorry,
becky
did
have
an
email
from
council
heading,
giving
her
apologies.
She
was
intending
to
attend
today,
but
last
minute,
child
care
issues
prevented
that.
So
obviously
she
would
have
been
here
otherwise
to
hear
our
deliberations
right.
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
power
two
wheeler
use
of
bus
lanes
issue.
A
Clearly
this
is
something
that
the
board
has
discussed
on
a
number
of
occasions.
Over
the
last
two
years
more
recently,
we
found
two
fairly
lengthy
discussions,
one
in
an
online
board
meeting
and
one
in
the
subsequent
working
party,
where
we
invited
council
reeling
with
us,
ward
member
who
had
objected
to
the
proposal
and
four
representatives
of
the
motorcycle
action
group.
As
the
notes
indicate,
we
did
take
a
vote,
an
indicative
vote
at
the
end
of
the
working
party
meeting,
and
that
was
inconclusive.
A
So
I
felt
that
it
needed
to
come
back
to
the
board
for
any
further
discussion,
hopefully
not
one.
That
starts
from
square
one
of
the
issue
and
that
we
took
a
substantive
vote
about
whether
our
recommendation
would
be
for
the
a65
trial
to
continue,
and
that
was
the
focus
of
our
previous
discussion
and
the
working
group
not
to
open
up
the
the
whole
issue
of
the
wider
context.
A
C
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir,
and
relatively
briefly
actually,
but
this
has
been
going
on
years,
isn't
it
years
and
years
and
years,
and
it
seems
such
a
reasonable
to
me
and
straightforward
proposal,
and
I
just
made
one
of
two
literally
very
brief
comments
and
on
the
opening
page
of
of
this
a
gender
item.
C
It
does
say
actually
that
local
ward
members
in
kirkstall
are
not
supportive
of
the
scheme,
but
actually
we've
sort
of
heard,
or
we
certainly
haven't,
heard
anything
from
the
other
two
ward
members.
It
seems
to
me
and
the
papers
are
full
of
what
council
illingworth
thinks
now
I
respect
what
council
illinois
opinions
are,
but
he
is
only
a
third
of
the
members
in
his
own
ward.
C
Secondly,
it's
only
a
trial-
it's
not
as
if
this
is
going
to
be
imposed
as
a
blanket
decision
on
the
whole
city
or
the
whole
county
or
whatever
it's
literally
a
trial.
Thirdly,
blood
bikes.
That
seems
to
me
to
be
a
really
excellent
way
of
assisting
them
in
doing
this.
This
great
work-
and
it
just
seems
to
me
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
feeling
running
through
this
that
cycling
is,
is
good,
but
motorcycling
is
bad.
It
just
seems
to
be
prejudiced
in
some
way
and
final
comment.
C
A
Thank
you
just
to
be
clear
to
anyone
observing
this
meeting.
The
working
group
wasn't
an
attempt
to
kick
the
issue
into
the
long
grass.
We
do
have
over
time
changes
in
the
personnel
on
this
board
and
there
were
a
number
of
new
members
who
weren't
party,
as
we've,
been
to
the
very
lengthy
discussion,
detailed
discussions
so
to
bring
it
to
a
head
and
to
ensure
that
everyone
was
up
to
speed
and
we
were
answering
further
questions
that
board
members
had
raised.
That
was
why
we
had
the
the
working
group
jonathan.
B
B
B
B
If
you
want
to
do
something
else,
and
we've
got
nothing
against
motorcyclists,
it
might
be
a
great
idea,
but
let's,
let's
do
something-
that's
going
to
actually
produce
some
results
that
can
be
used
in
the
future
and
third
part.
I
think
blood
bikes,
no
issue
with
blood
bites
like
an
emergency
service,
and
I
think
perhaps
we
should
just
do
some
more
informa,
more
investigation
on
that.
I
don't
think
we
should
muddy
the
water
on
this
decision.
K
I
mean
I
shall
be
voting
for
in
favor
of
a
trial.
We
just
we've
gone
on
so
long
until
we
have
the
outcome
of
a
trial.
We
won't
know
what
we're
doing,
and
I
appreciate
council
bente
is
conscious
of
the
cost
of
a
trial,
but
if
we
don't
have
a
trial
on
the
a65,
which
we
are
told,
is
the
only
corridor
at
the
moment
that
we
could
have
that
trial.
We
will
ever
know
so
if
we
say
no
today,
we'll
never
know
that
I'm
pretty
confident
we'll
come
back
at
some
point
in
time.
D
Thank
you,
chad.
I
mean
I.
I
also
agree.
I
think
that
this
has
gone
on
for
so
long
now
that
I
mean
we
kind
of
risk.
Looking
like
we
can't
make
up
our
minds
on
things,
and
I
I
mean
I
we
know
on
the
board
that
personnel
change,
but
I
mean
for
for
a
large
part.
You
know
there
is
a
core
of
us
who
have
been
discussing
this
now
for
the
better
part,
two
or
three
years.
D
D
I
mean
amending
current
infrastructure
may
be
beyond
what
we're
able
to
achieve
financially
or
even
practically
on
on
some
roads,
but
we
do
have
parts
of
bus
lanes
where
all
traffic
can
enter
at
some
time.
So
we
do
have
to
consider
that
I
think-
and
I
think
that
the
costing
was
relatively
minimal
from
what
I
recall
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
schemes,
particularly
the
last
scheme
that
we
were
discussing
so
I'll
also
be
voting
in
favor
of
a
trial.
This
has
gone
on
for
too
long.
I
Thank
you
very
much.
I
can
understand
this
is
a
trial
trial
is
at
all,
but
I
think
this
is
the
main
issue
to
me
in
here.
Chad
is
it's
health
and
for
the
safety
reason,
safety
reason
is.
I
think
it
is
more
important.
It
doesn't
matter
is
the
trial.
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
because
we
all
know
the
a65
is
a
really
really
busy
road?
It
doesn't
matter,
it's
the
bus
lines
or
anything
else,
and
also.
I
know
that
you
share
stopped
me
last
time
as
well.
I
If
unto
the
same
part
of
the
a65,
the
private
hire
are
going
to
say,
give
us
this
for
a
trial
right
and
it
will
be
a
massive
massive
issue
across
the
city.
Then
right-
and
I
know
personally
right-
it's
more
than
5
000
private
hire
badge
holder,
license
holder
by
the
lead
city
councils,
and
I
think
we
needed
to
look
that
too,
but
I
could
be
a
proposal
by
the
private
hire
for
the
trial.
F
Chair,
obviously,
I'm
new
on
to
this
exam
to
the
exclusionary
board.
I
was
amazed
when
I
first
read
the
first
papers
I
received
see
this
had
been
discussed
in
only
two
years
and
I
think
obviously
it's
controversial.
It's
emotive,
but
you
need
the
evidence
and
you
need
the
facts
and
therefore
I
think
this
trial
should
take
place.
F
For
me,
the
the
strongest
argument
to
say,
let's
not
have
a
trial
is
that
we
can't
extrapolate
the
data
and
we
can't
learn
more
than
just
about
that
section,
and
so
I
think
that's
pretty
strong
argument,
but
the
arguments
for
having
the
trial,
I
think,
are
also
quite
sound
in
that.
We
won't
know
anything
unless
we
have
a
trial,
and
that,
for
me,
is,
is
slightly
stronger
and
I
think
we
we
need
to
look
also
to
the
future.
F
Thank
you
chair,
obviously,
I'm
new
to
this
board
regarding
this
issue
and
I
just
wondered
how
it's
going
to
be
monitored.
I
know
we'll
monitor
who's
using
that
lane,
because
now
we
get
electric
scooters
about
they'll
be
more
than
just
cyclists.
So
wanting
to
use
that
specific
lens,
I
just
wondered:
who
was
going
to
monitor
it
and
be
responsible.
A
Well,
we
have
covered
all
these
issues
previously,
I'm
still
going
to
ask
the
officers
to
respond
to
that
question,
but
also
the
reference
to
the
blood
bikes,
because
we
all,
as
members
of
the
board,
did
receive
an
email
from
that
particular
organization,
and
I
think
we
are
you
know
we're
sympathetic
towards
it.
So
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
be
told
not
necessarily
in
respect
to
this
trial,
but
what
the
logistics
would
be
of
enabling
that
particular
organization,
given
the
absolutely
crucial
work
they
do
for
to
be
made
an
exception
more
generally.
L
So
the
first
part
of
that
is
around
monitoring
and
evaluation
and
the
this
the
trial
will
have
interviews
with
key
stakeholders.
Post
implementation
will
record
behaviors
speeds
data
linked
to
the
buses
and
the
impacts
that
any
delays
might
have
so
there'll
be
a
wide,
ranging
monitoring
evaluation
package
on
all
road
users,
so
cyclists,
pedestrians,
motorcycles
and
the
public
transport
network
as
well.
So
we
have
done
consultation
prior
to
this
already
and
to
seek
feedback
and
made
them
aware
of
that
as
well.
L
We
have.
We
are
aware
that
bradford
do
allow
that
and
the
white
knights
access
to
the
bus
lanes.
So
we
I
have
a
meeting
with
bradford
tomorrow
and
and
west
yorkshire
to
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
what
they've
done,
but
ultimately
the
logistics
we
would
have
to
change
all
the
bustling
traffic
regulation
orders
to
allow
them
access.
L
A
They
should
be
considered
as
possible
access
points
in
the
future
to
kind
of
move
forward
on
that.
So
I'll
take
a
separate
vote
on
that
particular
element
and
for
the
benefit
of
observers
of
this
meeting.
We
are
not
the
decision
makers.
We've
looked
at
this
issue
over
two
years.
We
can
only
make
a
recommendation.
A
A
A
A
Yeah,
I
don't
celebrate
too
soon.
This
issue
is
a
bit
like
a
boomerang.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
the
initial
recommend
the
initial
indication
and
recommendation
regarding
how
future
segregated
cycleways
might
be
treated,
I
think
there
was
genuine
acceptance
of
that,
but
I'll
go
through
councillor,
bentley
yeah,
council,
buckley,
casa,
dye.
A
Councillor,
taylor,
I'm
supportive
and
council
wordsworth
excellent.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
The
final
item
or
substantive
item
is
the
work
program.
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
issues
that
any
member
wants
to
raise,
but
normally
we
note
this
as
it's
a
a
work
in
progress
based
on
and
obviously
we
will
add
to
the
work
program,
the
request
for
iways
to
come
back
with
the
sort
of
protocol
document
that
arose
from
our
previous
discussion.