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A
If
hey
good
morning,
everybody
welcome
to
the
March
meeting
of
the
children
family
scrutiny
board,
which,
as
everybody
knows,
is
the
best
scrutiny
board
in
the
city.
If
not
the
country,
my
name
is
Council
Alan
Lum
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
board,
I,
represent
the
weather
rewards.
The
meeting
is
being
webcast
on
the
council's
website
this
morning,
so
that
any
interesting
members
of
the
public
that
are
unable
to
observe
in
person
can
still
observe
the
meeting
remotely.
A
N
Morning,
Nick
tones
co-opted
member
for
school
staff
representative.
A
Thank
you
all
very
much
so
we'll
get
straight
into
the
agenda
and
if
I
can
ask
Debbie
to
take
us
through
items
one
to
five,
please.
P
P
I'll
take
silence
as
there
are
none
and
under
a
gender
item
five
we
have
apologies
from
councilor,
Reagan
and
councilor
Taylor
is
attending
as
her
substitute,
and
we
also
have
apologies
from
councilor
senior,
councilor,
Howley
and
also
co-opted
members,
Helen
Bellamy
and
Kate
blacker.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you,
Debbie,
and
particularly
warm
welcome
to
councilor
Taylor,
who
I
know
will
be
well
behaved
on
her
substitute
appearance
this
morning,
so
item
six
is
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting
on
the
8th
of
March
so,
first
of
all.
Well,
there
is
a
point
of
accuracy.
It's
following
Publications
has
been
picked
up
that
the
draft
minutes
didn't
reflect
the
attendance
of
chill
Jill
Merchant
as
the
head
of
safeguarding
designated
nurse
safeguarding.
A
So
the
minutes
have
been
amended
to
reflect
children's
attendance
at
that
meeting.
So
are
there
any
other
points
of
accuracy?
First
of
all,
on
those
minutes,
please.
A
Nope
spend
it
so
we
can
get
straight
into
the
the
main
part
of
the
agenda
just
for
information
I'm
intending
to
plan
a
break
at
around
about
11,
15
or
so,
depending
on
where
we
get
to
on
the
agenda.
So
yeah
we'll
have
a
short
break
at
that
point.
So
we're
moving
on
to
item
seven.
First
of
all,
which
is
thriving,
the
child
poverty
strategy
for
leads.
A
It's
long
been
the
case
that
child
poverty
has
been
the
key
area
of
interest
to
the
scrutiny
board.
The
board
has
therefore
maintained
a
watching
grief
surrounding
the
development
and
implementation
of
the
child
poverty
strategy
for
leads
it's
about
12
months
since
the
board
last
received
an
update
on
the
strategy,
and
so
the
report
in
the
agenda
pack
provides
a
comprehensive
overview
of
progress
linked
to
the
work
streams
that
sit
underneath
the
strategy,
including
responses
to
the
post-pandemic
and
cost
of
living
crisis
in
terms
of
ongoing
work
impact
and
next
steps.
A
Q
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
councilor
Fiona
vener
I'm,
the
executive
board,
member
for
children
and
adults,
care
and
health
Partnerships
I
just
wanted
to
say,
chair
the
Cake's
amazing
I'm,
just
carefully
checking
myself
on
camera
that
haven't
got
chocolate
all
over
my
my
face.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
bringing
such
a
such
a
lovely
breakfast.
R
X
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
joining
us.
So
if
I
can
hand
over
to
councilor
Vena
initially
to
to
make
some
introductory
remarks
and
then
I
guess
you'll
be
handing
over
to
Julie
to
take
us
through
the
report.
Thank.
Q
Q
So
by
the
time
this
report
goes
to
accept
board,
we
will
have
the
new
figures
and,
as
you
would
expect,
we
are
anticipating
that
child
poverty
will
have
gone
up
significantly
because
of
the
impact
of
covid
and
of
the
cost
of
living
crisis,
but
also
because
of
national
policy,
and
this
is
an
area
you
will
have
heard
me
say
this
before,
but
this
is
an
area
when
National
policy
is
really
really
important
and
there's
so
many
Stark
examples
where
you
can
see
the
impact
of
that,
so
child
poverty
actually
went
down
between
2020
and
2021,
but
that
was
entirely
attributed
to
the
20
pound
uplift
on
Universal
Credit
and
the
Roundtree
Foundation
estimated
that
the
removal
of
that
the
subsequent
removal
will
have
plunged
around
200
000
families
into
poverty.
Q
And
as
again,
you
would
have
heard
me
say
before
we
don't
control
the
levers
to
lift
people
out
of
poverty,
because
that
does
rest
with
central
government
and
that's
why
National
policy
is
important,
but
we
have
a
moral
imperative
to
ameliorate
the
impact
of
poverty,
and
this
report
outlines
the
work
streams
that
we've
taken
as
priorities
with
outputs
and
outcomes.
But
I
would
stress
again
the
moral
imperative
of
doing
this
work
so
with
a
project
like
healthy
holidays.
For
example.
Q
There's
there's
a
lot
of
evidence
out
there
that
hungry
children
can't
learn
and
that
there's
you
know,
really
well
evidenced
schemes
around
around
feeding
children,
whether
that's
breakfast
clubs
or
in
the
holidays.
But
even
if
that
wasn't
the
case,
we
would
still
want
to
do
this
work
because
it's
not
right
that
children
are
hungry.
So
while
it's
important,
we
do
demonstrate
outcomes
because
we
need
to
be
putting
our
time
and
our
resources
where
we
can
have
the
most
impact.
Q
There
is
also
a
duty
to
undertake
this
work,
so
the
report
runs
through
the
different
projects:
the
healthy
holiday
scheme
that
I've
already
mentioned
school
uniform
exchange.
It's
a
specific
reference
to
some
of
the
work
with
the
Gypsy
and
traveler
Community
I
chair,
the
gypsum
travel
working
group
for
on
behalf
of
the
whole
cabinet,
because
the
needs
of
the
community
come
into
all
all
our
portfolios.
The
gypsum
travel
Community
is
particularly
financially
challenged,
but
also
has
really
poor
outcomes,
whether
that's
health,
education
and,
frankly,
Victorian
levels
of
life
expectancy.
Q
So
it's
really
important
that
we're
doing
some
specific
Outreach
into
the
Gypsy
and
travel
Community,
including
through
Children's
Services,
there's
also.
It
there's
also
a
reference
to
the
work
within
housing
to
maximize
the
income
of
council.
Tenants
and
you
can
see
the
big
impact
that's
had
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
money
that's
been
brought
brought
to
people
who
weren't
necessarily
claiming
everything
they
were
entitled
to.
Q
R
So
our
priority
around
poverty
features
really
in
all
of
our
city
strategies
and
in
particular
in
the
best
city,
ambition
and
its
three
pillars
for
health
and
well-being,
inclusive
growth
and
zero
carbon
children,
lung
parents,
individuals
with
disabilities,
individuals
from
black
Asian
minority
ethnic
backgrounds
are
more
likely
to
experience
poverty
to
remain
in
poverty
for
longer
and
to
experience
deeper
poverty
than
others,
one
in
six.
So
that's
18
of
children
live
in
persistent
poverty,
so
that's
been
in
poverty
for
three
out
of
the
last
four
years
so
for
younger
children.
R
R
One
in
five
struggles
to
provide
food
for
their
families
and
26
said
that
children
had
suffered
mental
health
issues.
As
a
result,
I
don't
think
it's
insignificant
that,
in
terms
of
sudden
unexpected
deaths
in
children,
yet
four
times
and
four
times
as
many
of
these
children
live
in
the
most
deprived
areas
and
really
I
think.
The
thing
that
I
would
want
to
highlight
in
terms
of
the
report
is
that
we
know,
and
we
know,
because
children
tell
us.
R
We
know,
because
adults
tell
us
that
the
feelings
of
the
feelings
that
come
with
being
in
poverty,
the
feeling
of
being
excluded,
the
feeling
of
being
ashamed,
can
live
with
an
individual
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
And
that's
not
what
we
want
in
leads
and
that's
why
this
report
does
set
out
the
work
of
the
directorate,
the
work
of
the
council
and
the
work
of
the
partnership
to
combat
and
address
the
impact
of
poverty,
because
we
don't
want
individuals
to
suffer
the
impacts
of
poverty
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
J
If
that's
okay
but
I'll
start
with
a
few
questions
on
the
different
sections,
we
talk
about
being
ashamed,
I,
wonder
whether
it's
time
to
start
using
shame
and
toxic
shame,
because
actually
ashamed
is
quite
common
lexicon
and
the
impacts
of
Shame,
and
that
feeling
inherently
like
you,
aren't
good
enough
and
aren't
a
good
person
has
such
a
massive
impact
that
perhaps
we
need
to
use
the
the
more
damning
language
almost
to
get
that
across
in
the
gambling
section.
J
J
If,
basically,
a
lot
seems
to
be
resting
on
the
teachers
doing
it
and
actually
with
the
increased
workload
and
the
increased
stress,
and
we
know
that
that
can
lead
to
addiction.
My
concern
would
be
how
high
are
addiction
levels
going
in
the
teaching
profession
as
well.
J
J
Just
wonder
whether
we've
got
any
evidence
that
shaming
addicts,
interchanging
Behavior,
actually
works,
because
that's
kind
of
what
that
feels
like
a
little
bit
to
me
and
then
one
final
question:
that's
completely
aside
one
final
question
for
now
chair:
it's
LGBT
children.
We
know
that
families
are
less
likely
to
be
able
to
afford
food.
For
example,
they're
also
less
likely
to
be
able
to
afford
the
transport
required
to
get
LGBT
plus
children
to
be
able
to
access
services
like
our
youth
provision
in
the
city
center.
J
R
Thank
you,
councilor
Bissell,
I
think
the
language
I
think
you
you
reference
to
children,
feeling
ashamed
or
you
know
the
being
shamed
and
I
think
is
well
made
and
again
I
think
just
having
spoken
to
Children
families.
We
have
a
number
of
let's
talk
sessions
where
we
meet
with
children.
We
meet
with
families,
those
that
have
had
lived
experience
of
our
services
and
you're,
absolutely
right.
R
I
I
think
sometimes
the
language
and
I
don't
have
the
language
to
be
honest,
to
do
justice
to
actually
the
strength
of
feeling
and
the
impacts
that
that
can
have
on
children's
lives
and
outcomes
and
just
just
in
terms
of
people
being
able
to
fulfill
their
potential,
which
is
what
we
would
want
in
Leeds.
So
I
agree
with
the
points
that
you've
made
in
terms
of
information
that
we
we
have
in
terms
of
teachers.
R
I
don't
have
that
information
and
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
have
that
information
as
a
directorate,
and
certainly
you
know
we
meet
regularly
with
school
leaders
across
the
city
and
that's
something
that
we
can
talk
to
them
about.
I.
Think
the
you
know
there's
clearly
a
lot
of
pressure
on
teachers.
R
As
you
have
said,
the
tragicness
of
Ruth
Perry-
and
you
know
recently
I
think-
has
heightened
the
I
suppose
the
need
to
have
that
focus
on
well-being
in
terms
of
our
school
leaders,
but
in
terms
of
the
whole
of
the
workforce
actually
working
to
support
children
and
families.
So
don't
have
that
data,
but
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
can
ensure
that
we
cover
in
our
conversations
in
terms
of
the
focus
on
gambling.
I.
R
Think
yes,
I,
think
that
has
been
heightened
by
the
cost
of
living
crisis
and
again
I.
Think
people's
desperation
in
terms
of
you
know,
trying
to
achieve
additional
income
are
really
really
struggling.
R
I
think
it
was
also
as
a
resultant
colleagues
May
want
to
come
in,
but
I
think
it
was
also
as
a
result
of
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
had
had
from
children
and
young
people
through
the
My
Health,
my
school
survey
and
others
where
we
were
actually
really
shocked
at
the
numbers
of
children
who
did
report
that
they
had
gambled
and
both
in
terms
of
numbers,
but
also
in
terms
of
age.
R
So
I
think
it
was
a
direct
response,
I
suppose
to
our
our
voice
and
influence
work
and
what
we
were
hearing
back
from
children
and
so
helping
us
indicate
where
we
needed
to
prioritize
and
I.
Think
in
terms
of
the
the
point
that
you've
made
the
question
you've
asked
around
LGBT,
plus
children
and
and
again
I
suppose
how
we
ensure
that
not
only
that
they're
able
to
access
services
and
able
to
access
the
services
that
they
need.
R
I,
don't
know
that
I
I
have
anything
I,
suppose
a
strategic
level
which
focuses
just
on
that
cohort
of
children
and
young
people.
But
what
I
would
say
that
obviously
accessibility
and
equality
of
access
to
services
and
is
something
that
we
just
look
at
constantly.
You
know
whether
it's
through
our
youth
work,
which
we're
talking
about
later
on
today,
whether
it's
through
our
early
help,
whether
it's
through
you
know
our
children's
social
care
work.
R
X
Just
to
pick
up
the
the
point
around
LGBT
children,
obviously
it's
tangential
to
the
the
poverty
strategy.
X
X
Suppose
I'd
like
to
reassure
the
board
that
when
I
go
around
secondary
schools
now
it
is
a
completely
different
environment,
quite
often
having
visible
displays,
having
really
open
conversations
and
it's
clear
that
that
things
have
really
moved
on,
but
I
think
you're
right
to
highlight
some
of
the
threat
for
Trans
children,
particularly
when
they're
under
attack
so
much
in
the
media
at
the
moment.
X
Q
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
point
about
gambling,
because
it
was
my
request
as
the
chair
of
the
top
of
the
impact
board
that
we
have
that
focus
on
gambling,
and
there
are
a
few
reasons
for
that.
One
was
as
Julie
said
because
of
what
had
come
through
the
my
health
and
my
school
survey,
but
also
I
was
interested
to
look
at
whether
the
conditions
of
lockdown
when
children
were
isolated
on
devices.
A
lot
would
have
made
the
situation
worse
because
of
the
prevalence
of
online
gambling.
Q
Q
I
also
wanted
to
put
a
bit
of
a
spotlight
on
it,
because
my
understanding
is
that
the
rates
of
problematic
gambling
in
children
are
not
that
different
to
the
rates
of
problematic
gambling
in
adults,
in
that
more
adults
and
children
gamble,
but
as
a
percentage
of
people
who
do
gamble
it
being
problematic.
I,
don't
think,
that's
that
different
in
children
nails,
but
also
not
not
as
well
known
about.
So
it
was
about
wanting
to
focus
on
that,
and
particularly
looking
at
whether
there
was
an
increase
after
the
last
few
years.
Thank
you.
J
Just
quickly,
thank
you
that
was
really
helpful
around
why
we
chose
gambling.
I
am
I
guess
there
was
a
good
reason.
I
just
wasn't
sure
what
it
was
I
think
in
terms
of
the
LGBT
stuff.
It
is
a
different
world
20
years
ago,
but
having
also
taught
and
been
as
I
asked
people
to
leave
the
the
classroom
if
they
were
needing
a
break
outside
having
F
in
Etc.
Brood
was
thrown
back
at
me
and
homophobic
slurs.
J
I
think
there
is
still
an
awful
lot
of
work
to
do
and
the
power
is
being
able
to
engage
with
like-minded
peers
and
I.
Think
I'm
really
really
pleased
that
as
you
go
around
there
is
that
difference,
but
I
I
fear
based
on
experience
that
often
schools
talk
a
good
talk,
but
how
impactful
the
the
day-to-day
lessons
are
might
be
different
thanks.
T
I
just
want
to
add
in
relation
to
the
inequality.
We
know
that
different
groups
will
experience
poverty
very
differently
and
it's
led
the
impact
of
inequality.
So
that
point
is
really
valid
and
the
work
around
poverty
isn't
just
restricted
to
these
work.
Streams
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that,
for
example,
in
the
equality
board
in
Children
and
Families,
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
how
our
Workforce
engage
with
young
people
who
to
make
sure
that
their
identity
is
recognized
and
how
they
identify.
T
And
that
means
that
we
are
communicating
with
young
people
right.
We
are
using
the
right
pronouns.
We
are
making
sure
that
young
people
on
our
records
reflect
how
young
people
identify,
and
so
the
awareness
around
support
isn't
just
restricted
to
this,
because
absolutely,
although,
as
a
city
as
a
country
here,
there's
lots
of
more
awareness,
what
we
do
know
is
people
continue
to
experience
discrimination
and
so
that
work
doesn't
isn't
restricted
to
to
this
part.
T
I
guess
the
other
important
reason
about
gambling
and
prioritizing
gambling
was
that
it's
often
hidden
in
young
people,
so
other
addictions
can
be
more
obvious
and
easier
to
spot
and
our
school
colleagues
who
are
fantastic
at
ever
so
much
more
than
education,
as
we
know,
we're
saying
that
this
is
an
issue
around
awareness
and
support
needed
as
well
as
children,
and
so
it
was
important
that
we
prioritize
gambling,
because
where
we
know
that
where
money
is
an
issue
and
gambling
is
an
issue,
the
risk
of
exploitation
also
increases
for
young
people.
A
M
Just
a
question
and
definitions:
page
19
tells
us
that
there
are
174
000
people
in
Leeds
living
in
a
relative
poverty.
Then
we
have
a
definition
of
what
relative
means
in
relative
poverty
and
the
thing.
The
other
thing
is
how
many
of
those
174
000
at
actual
school
children,
page
20,
goes
on
to
say
that
there
are
36
496
children
living
in
a
relative
low
income.
Q
U
So
absolute
property
is
when
people
do
not
have
enough
money.
Resources
to
meet
the
basic
human
needs,
such
as
lacking
food
and
shelter,
and
relative
poverty
is
when
people
do
not
have
enough
resources
to
live.
The
normal
standard
of
society.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Tony
I
have
got
Council
Taylor
next,
please.
I
And
that
was
a
question.
I
was
going
to
ask
chair,
but
I
will
take
a
bit
fairly
says:
children.
Our
family
children
come
in
poverty
because
of
family.
If
a
family
can't
afford
it,
obviously
they
are
in
poverty,
but
the
main
question
for
me
all
household
in
England
are
affected
by
cost
of
living.
Why
is
the
beam
at
the
battle
with
cost
to
live
in?
It's
related
to
the
question?
Maybe
what
just
acts
and
take
back
councilor
battle
with
LGBT
because
they
are
merged
together?
Why
are
they
at
the
bottom.
T
Like
earlier,
like
I,
said
earlier,
when
people
do
face
inequality,
which
we
know
that
the
people
from
the
global
ethnic
majority
previously
referred
to
as
babe,
you
know,
other
people
who
are
not
white
will
increase,
will
experience
increased
discrimination
and
all
those
discrimination.
The
layers
of
discrimination,
which
we
sometimes
refer
to
as
intersectionality
will
affect
people's
access
to
services,
will
affect
health
will
affect
deprivation.
T
So,
unfortunately,
you
know
that's
the
picture
in
Leeds,
as
well
as
nationally,
where
people
from
marginalized
groups,
it
increases
vulnerability
and
they
will
experience
poverty
at
an
increased
level
than
the
general
population.
I
Says
so,
nothing
haven't
changed.
Really
you
see,
because
what
we
thought
young
people
in
school
was
what
they
take
and
further
life.
So
if
they
are,
should
I,
say
degraded
in
school
to
let
it
feel
like
there
isn't
where
to
go.
Let
us
still
take
that
the
baim,
so
this
is
why
probably
the
blame
parent
have
that
slow,
self-esteem
to
educate
their
younger
children
and
the
younger
children
will
grow
up.
Not
have
that
full
of
self-esteem
to
do
that.
I
R
I
think
in
recognition
of
that
I
suppose
that
you're
making
me
think
about
early
years
and
actually,
how
do
we
engage
with
Children
and
Families
from
a
range
of
minority
groups
across
the
city
at
the
earliest
opportunity
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
tackle
the
barriers.
If
you
like,
tackle
discrimination,
tackle
Prejudice,
we
have
entered
into
a
partnership
with
an
organization
called
Nesta,
and
this
part
that
was
looking
at
our
children's
centers.
R
And
actually,
how
can
we
ensure
that
our
children
centers
are
reaching
out
and
are
engaging
with
children
and
families,
in
particular
from
black
Asian
minority
ethnic
backgrounds?
R
One
of
the
things
that
it
really
it
really
showed
us
if
you
like,
was
actually
that
there
was
a
preference
for
not
necessarily
always
to
be
engaging
in
the
center
that
actually
there
was
a
preference
sometimes
to
have
a
range
of
different
offers
in
terms
of
activities
outside
the
center,
and
there
was
absolutely
something
about
ensuring
that
our
Workforce,
as
Farah
has
said,
have
got
the
the
necessary
training
and
Workforce
Development
Insight
understanding
into
the
discrimination
and
Prejudice
that
does
exist
within
the
city
and
that
they
are
committed
to
combating
that.
R
A
key
part
of
that
work
has
actually
been
around
listening
to
the
voice
of
Children
and
Families
and
US
hearing
from
them,
and
sometimes
it's
not
easy,
listening
us
hearing
from
them
in
terms
of
what
we
get
wrong
and
actually
where
we
need
to
do
better
in
terms
of
that
engagement.
So
that's
a
piece
of
work
that
Leeds,
York
and
Stockport
are
involved
in
and
and
I
think.
It
will
be
really
helpful
in
ensuring
that
our
services
are
more
accessible
to
all
children
and
families
in
Leeds.
R
I
I
just
think
this
is
where
we
need
everyone
around
the
table
that
understand
each
other
culture,
because
it's
a
shame,
you're
saying
how
do
we
talk
to
these
individuals?
You
get
all
children
in
school
and
talk
to
them
just
the
same,
and
it
will
go
across
so,
in
other
words,
we
need
every
culture
around
the
table
that
understand
needs
of
individual.
T
T
You
know,
children
want
us
to
sell,
want
us
to
be
a
city
where
differences
are
celebrated
in
Leeds,
so
children
and
young
people
feel
accepted
for
who
they
are
and
they
do
not
experience,
bullying
or
discrimination,
and
that's
a
core
part
of
our
child
friendly,
leads
plan
and
strategy,
and
those
are
the
wishes
to
the
views
of
children
are
captured
in
those
wishes
and
and
tackling
discrimination
is
Central
to
that.
A
Thank
you,
Julie.
R
So
I
just
think
just
one
thing
to
add
as
well
is,
is
you
know
we
know,
and
we
know
within
the
director
that
actually
our
Workforce
does
not
reflect
the
children,
the
families,
the
communities
that
we
seek
to
support
So
a
key
priority
for
us
through
a
range
of
activity
in
Faris
talks
about
area,
quality
and
diversity
board
is
ensuring
the
air
we
diversify
the
workforce.
But
equally,
where
we
do
it.
You
know
our
colleagues
who
are
from
black
Asian
minority
ethnic
backgrounds
that
they
are
unable
to
progress
and
to
fulfill
their
absolute
potential.
R
So
we're
looking
again
at
you
know:
senior
levels
within
the
organization
that
we
really
have.
You
know
a
commitment
to
ensuring
that
there
is
that
diversity
at
every
layer
of
the
organization,
so
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work
so
that
when
children
and
families
look
to
us,
look
to
us
as
an
organization
look
to
senior
leaders
that
they
you
know
they.
They
see
that
diversity.
S
I
just
like
to
build
on
that
and
talk
about
our
anti-racist
offer
in
the
city.
So
we
are
the
first
local
authority
to
work
with
the
local
University
and
offer
anti-racist
Network
to
all
schools
in
Leeds
for
free
and
that
has
been
underway
attending
quite
a
number
of
workshops,
CPD
events
and
webinars
to
raise
awareness,
but
also
to
think
about
how
we
can
at
school
individual
level
plan
for
the
anti-discrimination
work.
That
needs
to
go
on
in
schools
to
educate
all
and
that's
from
Governors
to
parents,
Community
pupils
Etc.
A
And
thank
you
for
that,
and
I've
still
got
quite
a
list
of
contributors,
which
is
fine.
I've
just
constantly
got
two
other
big
items
as
well.
So
if
I
encourage
everyone
to
be
to
the
point
in
comments
and
questions
and
equally
in
responses,
I'd
be
very
grateful,
so
so
I've
got
Castle
four
say
it
next.
Please.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
also
find
these
figures
are
just
shocking
and
we're
reading
another
report
about
this
and
using
the
words
moral
imperative
is,
is
absolutely
right,
but
it's
got
so
many
good
initiatives
in
it
and
our
city
can
do
the
leading
by
example.
One
of
the
initiatives
you
talk
about
is
the
baby
bunny
up.
So
my
first
question
is
well
now.
I've
got
two
questions.
Here
is:
firstly,
what's
the
percentage
it
says,
47
of
expectants
and
new
parents
are
using
the
app.
F
How
is
that
reflected
in
those
who
are
in
relative
poverty
is
one
one
question
I
was
going
to
ask
and
also
are
there
any
plans
to
extend
it?
It's
it's
very
good
to
do
that
in
the
you
know
the
Early
times,
but
there
is
so
much
importance
in
those
first
two
years
crucial
two
years
and
that
in
fact,
the
first
five
years.
F
So
that's
my
first,
my
first
question:
second:
is
it
just
a
question
really
or
a
comment
about
the
feeling
of
Shame
and
there's
still
not
full
uptake
on
the
free
School
Meal
offer
and
what
work
is
being
done
about
that?
And
finally,
yes,
finally,
yes
I'm
glad
Green
Space
has
been
mentioned.
F
There's
a
lot
of
green
space
that
this
Council
owns
on
Council
land
and
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
climate
emergency
that
could
be
used
for
growing
food
and
doing
that
themselves.
You
know
people
themselves
growing
food
is
also
so
that's
just
something
a
suggestion
for
the
future.
Thank
you.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
respond
briefly
to
one
point
you
made,
which
was
the
point
about
leading
by
example.
We
are
it's
not
a
requirement
for
accounts
to
have
a
child
poverty
strategy.
It
used
to
be,
and
in
2016
the
government
removed
targets
around
child
poverty
and
removed
the
requirement
for
councils
to
have
a
child
poverty
strategy.
Q
But
we
chose
to
have
to
have
one
we're
in
the
process
of
refreshing
our
current
strategies,
so
Julie
did
some
research
to
try
and
find
what
other
councils
were
doing
and
couldn't
find
another
another
child
poverty
strategy
which,
which
was
after
the
requirement
not
to
have
not
to
have
one.
So
we
very
much
are
leading
by
example,
and
it's
something
we
should
be
very
proud
of
in
in
the
work
that
we're
doing.
R
And
I
was
just
coming
back
in
response
to
your
question
about
the
data
and
we
don't
have
that
data
and
that's
not
something
that
we're
able
that
we
collect
at
the
moment.
But
again
it's
something
that
we
can
absolutely
look
to
see
whether
we
can
improve
that.
As
you've
said,
47
of
new
parents
are
using
the
app
and
in
terms
of
other
local
authorities,
we've
got
the
highest
percentage
of
fathers
who
are
using
the
app
and
so
in
a
sense,
I.
Suppose
it's
developing
and
building
on
that
and
I
think.
R
Your
question
is
a
really
key
question.
That's
certainly
something
that
we
can
take
away
and
think
about
in
terms
of
the
point
about.
Could
we
extend
it?
You
know
I
mean
absolutely.
We
would
want
to
extend
everything
that
we
know
that
works.
You
know
we'd
want
to
make
it
more
accessible
to
all,
and
sadly
some
of
that
is
good
than
just
by
the
app
itself.
You
know
and
I
suppose
the
sort
of
content
within
the
app,
but
what
I
would
say
is
in
terms
of
that
continuous
support
for
those
parents.
R
Then
you
know,
through
the
children's
centers
through
our
early
years,
provision
there's
a
whole
range
of
services
that
they
can
access.
Y
Yeah
just
another
comment
in
regards
to
the
the
gambling
with
within
children,
but
I
think
there's
a
kind
of
a
pervasive
element
of
the
gaming
industry
and
I
think
it
could
have
a
major
impact
on
children
going
forward
and
their
behavior
as
adults
and
and
that
is
sort
of
Through
The
Years
there's
a
it's
called
downloadable
content.
So
if
you
purchase
a
game
but
then
there's
like
an
added
extra
that
you
can
do,
however,
a
lot
of
games
now,
there's
only
there
is
like
a
gambling
element
to
it.
Y
Y
Asking
mom
can
I
get
this
kind
of
I
mean,
but
it's
getting
it's
getting
to
the
point
where
it's
just
it's
the
element
of
not
knowing
what
you're
going
to
get,
and
so
they
are
paying
say
three
pound
four
pound
at
a
time,
so
that
I
guess
that
hit
almost
and
that
adrenaline
of,
like
oh
I'm,
going
to
be
able
to
get
this,
and
then
they
don't
get
it
and
then
two
hours
later
they're
asking
for
more
money
but
I,
don't
know.
Y
I
presume
this
report
isn't
specif
like
specifically
talking
about
that
element
of
gambling,
because
I
know
there's
not
necessarily
a
financial
reward
afterwards,
but
working
in
primary
education
for
a
number
of
years.
I
have
definitely
seen
this
trend.
Get
much
much
worse
and
I've
always
thought
about
the
impact
that
this
could
have
as
adults
and
then
that
behavior
of
going
into
Financial
gambling.
Y
So
so
maybe
that
could
be
a
thing
that
we
we
publish
will
be
honest
with
I
think
we
should
be
maybe
looking
into
that
sort
of
element
of
sort
of
gambling.
There
might
not
be
a
financial
reward
afterwards,
but
the
impact
on
parents
and
non-families
is
still
really
high,
especially
with
games.
Now,
because
I
think,
like
you
know,
credit
cards
and
cards
are
attached
to
online
accounts.
So
sometimes
even
the
children
aren't
even
asking
for
the
money
they're
just
doing
it.
R
Just
to
say
that
what
you
just
described,
you
know
I
hear
a
lot.
You
know
whether
it's
from
our
support
workers
working
in
early
help,
whether
it's
from
our
youth
workers,
so
we're
really
conscious
of
that
as
an
issue
in
an
emerging
issue
and
I
think
the
point
that
you
make
there
just
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
a
childhood
young
person
almost
having
that
instant
gratification
or
that
sense
of
a
heart.
R
You
know,
especially
at
a
time
when
you
know
they're
facing
so
many
challenges
in
life,
that
actually
to
have
that
space,
and
often
it's
that
private
space
away
from
parents
and
where
they
are
experiencing
that
and
positive
emotion
is
a
real
danger.
So
I
know
that
that
is
an
absolute
feature
of
the
conversations
that
take
place,
whether
it's
in
group
work
settings
in
Youth,
Services
or
one-to-one.
Having
said
that,
I
think
again,
your
point
is
really
well
made
and
I
think.
S
I
think
I'd
just
like
to
to
add
on
Julie's
point
there.
We
know
that
Rachel
de
Souza,
the
children's
commissioner,
is
campaigning
for
regulation
in
the
system
across
the
board
and
that's
from
social
media
platforms
to
gambling,
and
that
is
the
availability
and
unsuitable
content
that
our
children
are
exposed
to
and
how
are
we
supporting
and
regulating
A
system
that
doesn't
have
its
own
regulation
systems?
A
Thank
you,
Council
Stevenson,
please.
D
Thank
you,
chair,
just
building
upon
a
point
that
turning
made
and
the
definition
of
gave
us
between
absolute
and
relative.
You
said
that
relative
was
use
the
phrase
when
a
normal
standard
of
society
is
that
defined
anywhere.
It's
quite
subjective,
I
mean
I'm
again
really
on
councilor
burden's
point
about
gaming
Etc.
Are
we
saying
it's
a
normal
standard
of
society
then
to
have
iPhones?
D
That
is
that,
where
we're
at
or
is
it
actually
defined,
and
then,
secondly,
just
in
terms
of
demographics,
is
there
any
data
that
shows
us
in
working
out
of
work?
There
will
be
broken
down
through
different
demographics
and
particularly
where
there's
your
sort
of
typical
2.4
family,
where
there's
only
one
person
in
work
or
where
both
people
are
in
work
and
how
that
changes
between
bam,
Gypsy,
traveler,
white,
British,
Etc.
U
So
to
answer
your
first
point:
the
relative
income
is
defined
as
a
percentage
of
the
national
median
disposable
income,
which
is
between
14
and
60.
So
it's
about
the
national
disposable
income
and
that's
what
relative
income
is
linked
to.
Does
that
make?
Does
that
answer
your
question.
D
D
R
I
think
it's
the
former
councilor
Stevenson,
but
I
think
what
might
be
really
helpful
is
to
actually
send
out
a
definition.
So
it's
quite
complex,
I
think
the
conversation
is
highlighting
that
but
they're
really
happy
to
get
a
really
clear
definition
of
both
and
to
send
that
out
to
to
scrutiny
board
members.
X
Councilor
venner
mentioned
earlier
about
how,
when
the
government
reduced
Universal
Credit
by
20
pounds
how
that
affected
poverty
and
how
much
poverty
went
up
40
of
universal
claimant
credit
claimants
are
have
some
form
of
work
in
the
household,
so
40
of
people
claiming
Universal
Credit,
who
will
undoubtedly
count
within
this
relatively
relative
poverty
category
are
working
and
I
think
it
just
shows
the
relative
State
of
Affairs
when
people
are
working
and
still
in
poverty,
I
think
it
shows
the
desperate
situation
the
economy
is
in
at
the
moment.
D
So
people
were
better
off
in
work
than
at
home
on
benefits,
so
I'd
be
interested
to
know
through
the
different
demographic
groups,
as
we've
highlighted
how
poverty
changes
through
those
demographic
groups
where
the
correlation
sits
with
whether,
for
example,
is
it
the
case
that
there
is
a
pattern
that
in
some
groups
only
one
member
of
the
household
is
at
work
and
the
other
isn't
and,
and
then
the
deeper
dive
after?
D
X
X
You
know
this
is
a
fifth
of
our
city
are
in
relative
poverty.
I,
don't
think
we
can
say
these
systems
are
working
well.
So.
A
I
think
we'll
save
this
debate
for
another
day
in
another
place.
That's
not
how
we
work
in
this
forum.
So
don't
don't
shout
out.
Please
come
through
the
chair.
If
you
want
to
make
a
point,
thank
you.
Councilor
Renshaw,
please.
L
Thank
you,
chair.
Just
going
back
to
the
figures
that
were
in
percentages,
I
would
appreciate
it
if
there
could
be
the
figure
and
the
percentage
and
then
we
can
really
look
at
those
things,
but
just
following
on
I'm,
just
wondering
how
many
people
are
just
outside
the
income
allowance
before
they
couldn't
get
Universal
Credit.
L
I
wonder
if,
if
you've
got
any
figures
that
go
along
with
that,
because
quite
often
it's
a
long-term
impact
that
bullying
can
have.
So
if
a
child
is
bullied
in
primary
and
it
cannot
affect
them
all,
always
until
they
get
into
the
later
life
and
then
they
get
referred
to
cams.
That
has
got
a
long
waiting
list.
L
How
long
is
that
waiting
list
at
the
moment,
or
just
the
other
mental
health
issues,
plus
trying
to
capture
that
child
as
young
an
age
as
possible
to
address
the
issues
they're,
creating
those
mental
health
issues?
And
then
there
is
this
Workshop?
How
many
of
the
academy
trusts
have
taken
up
the
offer
of
the
race?
This
workshops,
because
I
do
know
that
quite
a
number
of
the
universe
have
the
Academy
trust,
do
their
own
workshops
and
don't
always
take
up
the
offer
that
the
city
puts
on
for
them.
L
T
Yeah
I
just
want
to,
firstly
reference.
The
data
issue:
I,
think
that
you
know
we
we're
having
the
new
data
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
this
week,
and
that
will
be
quite
telling
and
going
back
to
the
free,
School
Meal
Point
as
well,
and
the
awareness
we've
done
about
whether
that's
made
a
difference
in
the
comments
from
the
board
here
about
the
breakdown
of
data
is,
is
really
helpful
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
we
break
down
some
of
those
areas.
T
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
just
say
is
that
when
we're
thinking
of
relative
poverty
and
absolute
poverty,
however,
we
Define
poverty.
We
know
that
children
themselves
are
now
telling
us
that
they
recognize
poverty
and
that's
something
that,
as
a
city,
as
all
of
us,
you
know
is
quite
saddening,
that
children
themselves
recognize
poverty
and
we're
seeing
that
in
their
wishes.
So
this
I
suppose
our
strategy
is
to
pull
the
resources.
T
We've
got
across
directorate
working
our
Partnerships
to
actually
be
able
to
support
children,
but
there's
the
gaps
in
the
data
are
because
the
data
is
a
year
old,
nearly
and
so
I
think.
When
we
have
the
new
data
that
will
give
us
more
indication
of
where
we're
at
foreign.
L
Looking
at
the
graph
for
the
Universal,
Credit
and
I
know
for
a
fact
that
there
are
parents
in
my
world,
oh
will
deny
going
and
claiming
Universal
Credit
because
of
the
pride
and
I've
even
spoken
to
some
of
the
schools
about
it.
And
although
they
are
aware
that
there
are
parents
there
that
probably
qualify
for
Universal
Credit
the
work
do
it
because
of
they
don't
want
to
embarrass
the
child
or
or
their
family.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
graph
really
reflects
what
is
happening
throughout
the
city.
R
I
think
I
think
we
learned
a
lot
during
the
pandemic
and
I
think
what
we
learned
during
the
pandemic
was
I
suppose
when
we
had
communities
and
children's
families
facing
the
same
Challenge
in
a
sense
that
they
were
the
stigma
in
a
sense
in
terms
of
accepting
help
was
reduced.
So
certainly
I
work
at
a
local
level.
R
I,
look
with
working
clusters,
I
work
with
schools
and
I
suppose
just
the
professionals
working
in
a
local
area
knowing
who
those
vulnerable
families
were
knowing
the
families,
as
you've
said,
who
perhaps
previously
might
have
been
on
the
cusp
in
terms
of
a
range
of
vulnerabilities,
but
because
of
the
pandemic
because
of
additional
pressures
in
relation
to
mental
health,
Etc
that
they
were
tipped
over
into
being
vulnerable
for
whatever
reason
so
I
think
there's
something
for
me
around.
R
Actually
as
professionals
and
as
the
partnership
at
a
really
local
level,
at
a
community
level,
understanding
and
knowing
families
and
knowing
communities
and
I
think
it's.
It's
absolutely
vital
that
we
are
out
there
that
we're
taking
our
services
to
Children
two
families
in
their
places
and
in
their
spaces,
and
that
we
do
that
in
a
way
that
is
not
stigmatizing.
R
I
think
your
point
again
is
really
really
well
made
I
think,
with
the
cost
of
living
crisis
that
we
do
have
and
with
you
know,
the
majority
really
of
Children
and
Families
struggling
at
the
moment
again.
I
think
and
that
has
enabled
us
to
to
develop
some
sort
of
innovative
ways
of
working
and
I.
Think
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
we
do
have
a
range
of
parents
and
I'll
give
the
example
of
epec,
which
is
a
parenting
program,
if
you
like.
R
So
that's
parents
who
have
previously
received
services
from
children
and
families
directorate
who
are
now
working
in
the
communities
to
deliver
parenting
programs,
but
other
services
to
children
and
families
and
I
think
there's
something
about
I,
suppose
those
that
have
had
lived
experience
being
in
communities
and
supporting
others
who've
got
similar
issues
again,
helping
those
services
to
to
be
destigmatized
so
I.
Suppose
it's
something
that
we're
really
really
conscious
about.
R
You
know
that
we,
you
know
again,
we
want
people
to
be
able
to
say
when
you
know
when
they
are
having
difficulties
and
it's
it's
something
that
will
just
be
a
constant
Focus
for
us,
but
you're
you're
right.
It's
not
easy.
You
know
it's
not
easy
for
all
of
us
at
times
to
ask
for
help
or
to
admit
when
we
need
help
and
as
professionals
we've
just
got
to
be
constantly
conscious
of
that.
Q
Okay,
so
relative
poverty
is
where
households
have
less
than
60
of
contemporary
median
income.
Absolute
poverty
is
where
households
have
less
than
60
of
the
median
income
as
it
was
in
2010
to
11,
updated
by
and
operated
by
inflation.
Now,
I
think
people
in
this
room
know
that
I'm
a
details,
person
and
I
pride
myself
on
knowing
my
brief,
very
well.
Q
The
reason
I
didn't
have
those
statistics
and
those
definitions
at
the
top
of
my
head
is
because,
as
far
as
said,
that
that's
not
the
important
thing,
the
important
thing
is:
we've
got
36
000
children
in
this
city
living
in
poverty,
and
it
is
having
a
profound
impact
on
children.
As
has
been
referenced,
poverty
is
in
the
12
wishes,
as
defined
by
children.
That
was
not
the
case
when
we
did
previous
iterations
of
the
children
young
people's
plan.
Q
Q
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
I've
still
got
quite
a
lot
of
speakers.
A
I'm
sorry
I
haven't
it's
I'm
for
the
second
time.
This
morning
we
go
through
the
chair
and
when
I
ask
for
an
answer,
we'll
get
it
so
yeah.
Well,
we'll
come
back
to
it
in
a
second
counselor
Renshaw.
So
what
we're
going
to
do,
because
we
could
talk
about
this
subject
in
detail
for
the
entire
morning?
No
one
will
thank
me
if
we
do
that,
because
there's
two
other
important
items
that
we
need
to
get
through.
So
my
job
as
chair
is
to
keep
some
Pace
to
what
we're
doing
so.
A
The
way
we're
going
to
go
through
I've
got
a
number
of
speakers
I'm
going
to
take
them
all
in
one
go
as
comments.
You
will
pick
up
the
answers
that
haven't
been
answered
as
yet
councilor
ensure
and
then,
if
I
can
ask
officers
to
take
a
note
of
all
of
the
points
that
are
being
made
and
then
we'll
cover
those
and
sum
up
in
one
go.
So
we
can
wrap
up
on
this
item
and
then
we
can
move
on
and
do
full
justice
to
all
the
other
items
as
well.
A
So
I'm
gonna
go
to
Andrew
first,
please,
and
if
we
could
be
as
brief
as
possible
in
the
comments
and
questions.
K
Yes,
I
will
be
brief
and
I
think
if
our
counselor
ensure
has
already
picked
up
on
some
of
that,
I
was
just
going
to
mention
it
from
a
school
level.
Obviously
they
we
qualify
for
people
premium
for
those
children
who
are
disadvantaged,
I
think
the
biggest
scale
of
the
challenge
is
I,
see
it
in
school.
Are
those
children
who
fall
just
outside
of
that
parameter?
K
I
think
that's
where
we
see
the
bigger
Challenge
and
kind
of
upscaling
that
to
a
city
level,
I
just
wondered
you
know:
is
it
even
possible
for
the
city
to
be
aware
of
that
group
who
don't
sit,
Within,
These
defined
areas
of
poverty?
Would
others
out
lies
that
nonetheless
do
present
a
challenge
as
they
do
on
that
smaller
scale
in
school.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Bissell,
please,
thanks.
J
Chair
a
lot
of
these
are
sort
of
yes,
no
answers,
so
is
there
on
the
reading
leaflet
that's
being
sent
out,
we
discussed
previously
in
scrutiny
there
being
an
audio
reading,
so
for
those
parents
that
couldn't
read
links
to
audio
books
for
them
to
use
I
wonder
whether
that
made
it
on
the
map
of
the
green
spaces.
J
I
wonder
whether
it's
going
to
be
coded
for
the
types
of
green
spaces
and
whether
we'd
be
able
to
link
that
to
potential
activities,
because
we've
got
a
great
app
that
talks
about
what
people
can
do,
but
actually
it
takes
some
cultural
capital
to
know
what
green
space
is
appropriate
for
what
activity,
and
it
would
be
good
if
we
can
make
that
a
bit
easier
in
the
asking
for
help
stuff
we're
going
to
end
up
with
another
generation.
J
J
Bond
we've
got
so
many
children
at
the
moment,
sofa
surfing
because
they
can't
their
families
can't
access
social
housing
and
can't
access
private
housing,
because
landlords
won't
accept
the
inspection
and
therefore
won't
accept
our
bond,
and
so
therefore
they
can't
get
into
the
private
properties
for
finance
so
to
have
a
bit
of
a
a
steer
from
within
this
sort
of
strategy
as
well
on.
That
would
be
really
helpful.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
councilor
Martin,
please.
H
Thank
you
chair.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
how
we,
as
a
city,
are
a
fairly
unique
in
terms
of
support
to
not
not
uplifting
people
out
of
poverty,
because,
as
you
mentioned,
that
we
can't
put
alleviating
some
of
the
worst
effects
and
I
know
that
we're
proud
of
the
fact
that
we've
still
got
56
children's
centers
in
Leeds
and
many
of
those
or
most
of
those
are
based
in
the
most
deprived
areas,
and
they
provide
important
centers
of
support
for
some
of
our
most
deprived,
our
most
deprived
families.
H
And
we
talk
about
shame
and
not
we
and
councilor
Bethel
put
it
put
it
really
well
in
not
feeling
good
enough
to
access
those
those
services,
and
so
I
just
wondered
what
you
think.
The
key
contributions
are
of
our
children's
centers
in
in
reaching
those
families
and
and
in
alleviating
this
shameful
situation
that
we
we're
in
in
this
city
and
the
rest
of
the
country.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
that
Jackie.
Please,.
E
Just
comment
really
healthy
holidays,
I'm
delighted
I'm,
just
going
to
a
different
subject
now:
I'm
delighted
that
we're
still
actually
doing
it
because
the
children
get
a
lot
out
of
this.
They
love
the
activities
they
also
get
food
and
everything
while
they're
there
and
I
think
well
done.
Let's
continue
this.
This
is
great
also
when
you
come
to
in
you
know,
with
people
all
been
inclusive
and
everything
I
think
this
should
be
on
us
on
families
as
well.
E
I
think
we
take
a
lot
of
you
have
to
have
services
for
this
services
for
that,
but
when
I
was
doing
the
immunization
program
as
volunteer
and
I
went
all
over
Leeds
and
the
amount
of
adults
they're
expecting
young
children
to
actually
fill
forms
up
in
English
for
them,
you
know
adults
should
be
responsible
and
learn.
English
and
I
come
from
Ireland,
so
I
can
say
it.
E
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Richards,
please.
C
Yeah,
this
report
obviously
highlights
the
impact
of
poverty
on
certain
sectors
and
communities
working
with
the
Ukrainian
community
in
the
weather
report.
My
concern
now
is
that
those
are
an
element
who
may
not
figure
highly
in
some
of
the
ways
of
getting
the
data
about
poverty
Etc,
because
that's
a
very
different
kind
of
poverty.
C
In
that
way,
because
I
know
I've
had
experience,
I've
seen
it
with
children,
especially,
is
the
fact
that
once
they
move
from
that
sponsorship
through
into
the
next
stage
and
they're,
very
keen
to
do
that
for
lots
of
positive
reasons,
then,
unfortunately,
the
mechanisms
available
are
not
necessarily
working
as
well
as
they
could
do
in
supporting
them
and
in
particular
with
education,
where
the
support
I.E
through
the
finance
of
the
children
in
education,
whether
it
be
through
free
School,
meals,
whether
it
be
through
paying
for
school
trips.
C
Those
sorts
of
things
are
not
happening
a
bit,
but
you
were
saying
about
bureaucracy
and
filling
in
the
right
forms
and
I
just
hope
that
there
is
an
awareness
of
that
and
that
we
can
look
to
put
those
mechanisms
in
place
because
those
are
the
mechanisms
we're
going
to
need
in
the
next
six
twelve.
Whoever
knows
how
many
months.
Thank
you.
G
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
the
information
regarding
gambling
going
into
schools.
How
much
might
be
based
on
like
a
self-awareness
and
emotional
awareness
around
the
derivatives
of
that
so
like
being
in
our
society,
where
having
a
huge
amount
of
money
or
a
huge
career
might
be
something
seen
as
self-worth.
How
can
we
relate
to
children
that
there
is
a
sense
of
well-being
and
that
and
awareness
to
that,
so
that
you
can
eliminate
the
parts
that
are
toxic
in
society
and
take
care
of
yourself
and
understand
your
emotions
behind
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
everybody.
So
if
I
could
ask
Julie
and
councilor
venner
to
respond
to
to
all
of
that
and
sort
of
sum
up
and
if
you
bring
in
anyone
that
you
feel
is
appropriate,
but
if
we
could
try
and
sort
of
Maximum
five
minutes
I'd
be
grateful.
Please
thank
you.
R
Thank
you
chair,
so
just
in
response
to
the
comments
that
were
made
about
the
green
spaces
and
the
potential
to
sort
of
have
that
broken
down
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
activities
available,
Etc
and
also
the
comment
about
housing
and
the
challenges.
That's
certainly
something
that
we
can
look
to
include
in
future
reports
and
I.
R
Suppose
I
really
wanted
to
come
back
to
the
point
around
children,
families
and,
and
perhaps
them
not
feeling
able
to
ask
for
help
because
for
me,
that's
critical,
you
know,
and
in
Leeds
we
are
really
clear
about
our
restorative
approaches.
So
across
the
directorate
you
know,
our
practice
framework
is
about
restorative
work
and,
and
essentially
that
is
about
a
strength
based
approach.
So
fundamentally,
it
is
believing
that
parents,
carers,
children,
young
people,
do
have
the
ability
to
overcome
adversity
overcome
the
challenges
that
they're
having
like.
R
If
they
get
the
right
source
of
support,
you
know
high
quality,
effective,
timely
support
and
that's
also
based
on
a
relational
approach.
You
know
so
we
know
you
know.
If
we're
going
to
be
able
to
offer
effective
help,
we
need
to
develop
really
trusting
relationships,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
need
to
you
know
it's
all
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
this
morning.
We
need
to
recognize
individual
culture
identity.
R
We
need
to
acknowledge
where
there
is
discrimination,
whether
there
is
racism
where
there
is
Prejudice,
where
there
is
inequality,
we
need
to
be
open
about
that.
We
need
to
have
I,
suppose
the
knowledge,
the
experience,
the
skill,
the
confidence,
the
professional
maturity
to
engage
in
those
converts
to
lean
in
to
difficult
conversations
with
children
and
families,
and
in
my
experience,
I
know
when
somebody
is
interested
in
me.
R
I
know
when
somebody
is
genuinely
wanting
to
support
me
is
genuinely
for
me
and
our
children
and
our
families,
our
parents
and
carers
across
the
city
are
no
different.
So
for
me
that
comes
down
to
professional
Integrity.
It
comes
down
to
a
genuine
desire
and
us
making
That
explicit,
in
our
words
in
our
actions
in
our
behaviors
to
families,
and
that's
where
we
are
able
to
develop
those
relationships
of
trust
and
that's
when
we
can
provide
effective
support
to
families
and
for
me
it's
it's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
am
in
Leeds.
R
That
I've
stayed
in
Leeds.
Is
that
absolutely
statement
to
restorative
practice
in
a
relational
approach
and
it's
Central
to
everything
that
we
do,
but
it's
absolutely
Central
to
our
early
help
strategy.
I
know
our
early
intervention
and
prevention
in
relation
to
the
gambling
Point,
absolutely
you
know
and
again
a
key
role
for
us
within
the
children
and
families
director.
But
the
broader
partnership
is
to
support
children
and
young
people
to
develop
an
Insight.
You
know
an
insight
into
the
world
around
them
an
insight
into
risks.
R
You
know
and
insight
into
themselves
and
again
that's
key.
You
know
that's
that
drives
every
single
conversation
that
we're
having
whether
that's
in
group
work,
whether
that's
in
one-to-one
work,
whether
that's
in
our
work
in
schools,
I
mean
essentially
that's
always
in
debtor-
is
to
enable
children
and
young
people
to
to
fulfill
their
potential
in
all
of
those
conversations
about
the
things
that
can
get
in
the
way
of
that
and
absolutely
key,
and
we're
totally
committed
to
that.
That's
what
gets
us
up
in
the
morning.
Q
Thank
you,
chair
and
councilor
Mountain
reference,
children's
centers
and
the
origin
of
our
children's
centers
was
in
surestart,
which
was
explicitly
about
providing
high
quality
earlier
support
in
areas
of
high
step
profession.
So
that
was
a
very
relevant
comment
to
reference.
Our
commitment
to
to
our
children's
centers,
the
concluded
comments.
Q
I
wish
to
make
sure
is
that
Julie
earlier
referenced
child
deaths,
and
there
was
some
research
published
in
2021,
which
was
an
NHS
England
commissioned
report
which
attributed
700
deaths
each
year
directly
to
poverty
and
said
those
deaths
could
be,
could
be
reduced
if
could
be
eliminated
if
we
reduced
rates
of
social
deprivation
and
that's
because
they're
looking
at
deaths
that
are
attributed
to
modifiable
factors
like
co-sleeping,
which
is
more
likely
to
happen
if
you're
in
overcrowded
conditions-
and
that
was
two
years
ago.
Q
Last
week
we
used
to
talk
about
trauma
purely
in
relation
to
relational
trauma
like
sexual
abuse
like
domestic
abuse,
but
it
is
now
recognized
that
racism,
poverty
are
forms
of
trauma,
so
it
really
isn't
saturation
to
say
that
children
are
dying
and
children
are
traumatized
because
of
poverty,
and
that's
why
this
works
really
important,
and
it's
why
it's
important.
We
keep
coming
back
to
this
meeting
to
be
scrutinized
on
this
work.
So
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
for
all
for
your
input
today.
S
I
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
a
couple
of
points
mentioned
earlier.
One
was
language
and
as
a
child
friendly
lead
and
an
inclusive
City.
We
welcome
all
families
and
part
of
the
identity
is
language,
and
we
wouldn't
want
anyone
to
lose
a
language
or
have
to
be
forced
to
learn
a
language
in
order
to
fit
in.
That
would
go
against
who
we
are
what
we
believe
in
so
just
want
to
reference
that
point
in
terms
of
anti-racist
offer.
S
So
we
just
need
to
be
close
anti-racist
that
offer
is
an
offer
we
wish
we
could
make
it
mandatory,
but
it's
not
mandatory.
It's
an
offer
to
the
city
and
you're
absolutely
right.
There
is
a
a
an
engagement
from
the
sector.
How
many
of
those
schools
are
engaged?
We
can
obviously
get
you
that
detail.
That's
not
a
problem
at
all,
but
there
is
a
positive
take-up.
However,
we
do
know
that
most
academies
and
other
schools
do
have
their
own
training
and
and
commitment
towards
that.
S
What
we
try
to
do
within
that
is
so
that
we
try
to
promote
and
offer
something
for
free,
so
that
schools
and
Academy
we're
not
paying
thousands
of
pounds
for
something
that
hasn't
necessarily
been
quality
assured
and
whilst
we've
got
a
local
University
offering
National
anti-racist
Training,
both
internationally
and
nationally,
it
is
on
our
doorstep,
and
why
would
we
not
sort
of
take
that
offer
up
so
it
has
been
positive
and
well
received.
It
is
the
first
time
we've
offered
that
in
in
in
2022,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that
every
single
year.
W
On
that
yeah,
just
just
really
quickly
and
I,
think
just
on
the
back
of
what
team
was
saying
there,
the
the
some
schools
will
apply
to
to
the
anti-racist
award
as
well.
The
recognition
award,
which
will
be
great
just
just
I,
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
shout
out
to
schools,
School
leaders
and
the
work
that
they're
doing
around
you
mentioned
about
the
bullying.
W
I.
Think
schools
are
doing
an
incredible
job,
a
lot
of
hard
work
around
supporting
young
people,
because
there
is
an
impact
of
that
one
of
the
areas
that
the
local
Authority
does
get.
Some
overview
of.
That
is
through
the
my
health,
my
school
server,
which
we're
really
lucky
to
have
last
year.
I
think
181
schools
took
part
in
that,
but
and
that
represented
over
22
000
kids.
W
This
year,
we've
already
got
all
schools
signed
up,
279
signed
up,
so
that
gives
a
real
good
understanding
of
the
issues
that
the
kids,
the
young
people,
are
experience
and
have
experience
and
what
needs
to
be
done
to
improve
things
for
them,
and
the
health
and
well-being
team
have
of
created
a
new
school
leaders
resource
pack
this
year,
which
will
go,
which
will
help
Governor
School
leaders
understand
the
data,
what
it
shows
how
to
respond
to
that,
as
well
as
a
pact
to
support
further
conversations
with
the
young
people
in
the
setting
of
how
things
develop
and
move
forward
and
how
to
explore
those.
W
A
Okay,
thank
you,
everybody
so,
and
we
we
could
easily
go
on
on
on
this
subject
matter
and
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
that
the
board's
interest
will
remain
going
forward
if
we
can
turn
to
the
recommendations,
please
so
recommendation
a
is
that
the
board
acknowledges
the
ongoing
strategic
framework
in
place
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
child
poverty
and
the
work
being
undertaken
by
the
council
and
other
partners
in
the
key
areas
of
activity.
So
are
we
happy
to
to
acknowledge
that
yep
B?
A
The
scrutiny
board,
acknowledges
that
need
to
promote
the
work
of
the
thriving
strategy
across
the
city
and,
to
my
mind,
crucially
across
all
the
council
directorates.
So
this
is
not
just
something
that
the
the
children's
director
is
is
working
on,
but
the
whole
Council.
So
we're
happy
to
acknowledge
that
yep.
Thank
you
and
then,
finally,
to
know
the
responsible
officer
is
the
chief
officer
family,
help
children
and
families,
so
no
pressure
there,
pharah
and
so
I
think
that's
noted.
A
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
before
I
move
on
to
item
eight
is
just
take
a
short
break
if
everyone
could
be
ready
to
start
again
just
after
20
past
11
I'll
be
very
grateful.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
welcome
back
everybody.
We
will
get
the
meeting
back
going
again.
Thank
you.
If
we
can
have
some
some
order
at
the
the
tea
trolley,
please
that
would
be
appreciated.
Yes,
yes,
okay,
right,
we're!
Moving
on
to
item
eight
when
everybody's
ready.
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
I
think
the
only
new
person
that
needs
to
introduce
themselves
is
Erica
with
us
or
she's
on
the
way.
So,
okay,
okay,
well
I,
will
hand
over
initially
on
the
refresheries
plan
to
councilor
prior
to
make
some
introductory
remarks
and
fill
in
until
Erica
gets
back.
X
Thank
you,
chair,
I'll
I'll
do
my
best
to
do
that,
and
so
this
is
the
refreshed,
Three
A's
plan,
obviously
covering
five
priorities
for
all
children
in
Leeds,
so
that
was
to
improve
their
fluency
in
Reading
talk
into
attendance
for
children
with
scnd
to
receive
timely
and
appropriate
support
for
all
children
and
staff
to
be
supported
in
their
well-being
and
for
the
best
start
for
each
stage
of
children's
learning.
X
Nearly
all
of
these
kpis
are
on
track
and
I'm
sure
that
Eric
crensheen
will
will
go
into
much
more
detail
on
that
really
pleased
that
some
of
them
are
actually
going
have
exceeded
their
targets,
but
I
think
it's
actually
important
just
to
give
some
of
the
background
of
the
context
of
where
this
3A
strategy
was
placed.
So
obviously
this
goes
from
August
21
to
August
23.,
now
as
horrible
as
it
might
be.
X
If
you
cast
your
minds
back
to
August
21,
that
was
just
shortly
before
kind
of
Omicron
was
coming
in.
We'd
had
two
years
of
teacher
assessed
grades,
so
the
situation
in
schools
was
was
in
that
context
and
then,
as
we
came
out
of
the
the
more
serious
element
of
covid,
obviously,
we've
had
in
inflation
since
then,
which
has
affected
not
only
School
budgets
themselves
but
have
affected
a
lot
of
the
pupils.
A
lot
of
the
staff
too
and
equally
the
the
cost
of
living
I
know.
X
Obviously,
we've
had
quite
a
debate
on
child
poverty
already
today,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
think
about
what
what
teachers
are
these
days,
that
it
is
so
much
more
than
teaching.
You
know
we
when
we
see
the
amount
that
referrals
to
social
care
dropped
during
lockdowns.
It
just
shows
that
how
many
if
various
referrals
are
done
through
teachers
and
through
schools,
when
you
have
schools
and
teachers
acting
as
food
banks,
to
make
sure
that
their
children
are
in
the
right
place
for
them
to
even
start
learning.
X
We've
had
an
influx
of
refugees,
councilor
Richards
mentioned
earlier
before
about
Ukrainian
families,
and
we
know
that
the
homes
for
Ukraine,
obviously
the
support
for
that
drops
after
six
months.
So
the
government
takes
that
support
away
and
often
it's
schools
and
teachers
who
are
the
first
people
to
to
pick
those
sort
of
things
up
so
I
I'm.
That's
why
I'm
so
proud
of
of
many
of
these
kpis
being
on
track.
I
think
it's
we've
got
a
lot
to
be
proud
of
and
I
think.
X
We've
got
a
lot
to
be
proud
of
in
some
of
the
most
difficult
circumstances
that
schools
and
education
have
been
in
for
a
long
time
and
with
that
I
will
pass
on.
S
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
start
not
a
deficit
model,
but
a
positive
one,
which
is
that
our
school
leaders,
in
conjunction
with
the
local
Authority
and
our
service
delivery
Partners,
have
worked
incredibly
hard
and
what's
been
a
very,
very
challenging
few
years.
And
yes,
schools
are
now
food
banks,
but
not
just
food
banks.
They
go
above
and
beyond.
S
This
is
a
it's
a
report
really
outlining
the
outputs
and
the
outcomes
and
as
Council
prize
refer
to,
there
are
many
aspects
that
we
can
be
incredibly
proud
of,
given
the
circumstances
that
we
are
in
at
the
moment
and
have
been
in
for
a
duration
of
time,
it
shows
a
commitment
and
a
desire
to
improve
particularly
the
reading
objective,
because
we
all
know
that
it
is
one
determiner
of
a
child's
future
success.
So
we
can
get
that
right.
Then
we
really
are
on
to
a
winner.
S
We
understand
what
it's
like
for
our
school
leaders
and
we
wanted
them
to
be
at
the
heart
of
this
refresh
and
the
subsequent
refresh,
which
will
be
happening
this
summer
as
well.
Whilst
there
may
be
some
nuances
and
differences,
I'm
pretty
certain
in
response
to
our
forums
with
head
teachers
in
SSC,
that
many
of
these
will
remain
the
same,
because
obviously
they
are
some
of
the
standards
that
we
know
will
make
a
real
and
key
difference.
S
So
we
will
be
holding
some
more
Roundtable.
Events
in
response
to
our
leader
suggestions
and
the
difference
between
this
and
historic
iterations
of
the
Three
A's
has
been
that
this
one
acknowledges
that
each
school
and
Academy
has
its
own
development
plan
and
that
this
should
only
complement
that
it
cannot
force
it's
not
mandatory.
S
But
we
are
really
heartened
to
know
and
understand
that
there
has
been
full
engagement
with
the
offer
that
we
have
currently
and
obviously,
as
Council
Pryor
has
said,
being
proud
that
our
in
terms
of
service
delivery,
it
has
in
some
aspects
gone
above
and
beyond.
There
are
obviously
improvements
to
be
made
and
we
will
be
doing
that
in
conjunction
with
our
partners
in
the
city,
so
I
suppose
it's
over
to
any
questions
about
the
report.
O
Thank
you,
I
I
can't
Retreat
even
more
the
the
the
comments
about
school,
acting
at
schools
acting
as
food
banks.
You
know
uniform
exchanges
and
myself
and
Council
before
set
up
a
uniform
exchange,
and
we
know
we've
worked
with
local
schools
to
do
that,
and
so
many
other
services
that
schools
are
now
providing
for
families
that
you
know
we
we
never
did.
You
know
going
back
10
years,
and
so
schools
are
so
so
much
more
busy
in
in
providing
that.
O
You
know
that
that
wrap
around
that
whole
whole
care
for
for
families.
Now
one
thing,
I
am
very
interested
as
people
know,
I
do
work
for
a
a
an
education,
Trade
union.
That's
no
secret
and
I'm
interested
in
the
report
on
page
64
and
which
reference
education
support,
because
that
is
an
organization
I
use
for
you
know
to
disciples
people
to
as
well,
and
it
talked
about
you
know,
teacher.
O
You
know,
staff
well-being
in
this
report
as
well,
and
the
point
that
we're
working
with
education
support
we'll
have
national
funding
spot.
Where
we've
School
staff
discussions
being
held
about
what
service
we
can
offer,
be
sport
to
leads
and
and
how
we
can
help
staff
through
education,
Sports,
so
I'm
interested
to
know
what
works
being
done
with
education,
support
and
because
I
know
they
are
very,
very
important
organization
to
help
teachers
so
I'm
interested
in
what
we're
going
to
do
in
in
our
city.
W
Sir,
like
our
head
teachers,
support
service,
are
working
with
the
health
and
well-being,
health
and
safety
team.
In
terms
of
those
early
discussions,
it's
sort
of
quite
early
stages
into
we've.
We've
set
up
a
a
well-being,
a
well-being
group
that
involves
a
number
of
people
are
working
to
support
School
leaders
across
the
city,
one
of
the
things
that
head
teachers-
probably
the
FED
back
to
you
as
well-
is
that
the
DFE
headspace
style
program
has
been
reduced.
W
So
it's
not
been
rolled
out
in
the
same
way
that
actually
I,
think
heads
tradition
over
a
number
of
years
have
found
really
really
useful
in
terms
of
getting
together
collaboratively
with
with
colleagues.
That's
been
full,
but
there's
more
the
the
day,
if
he's
putting
their
funding
into
a
more
generic
sort
of
universal
offer.
W
So
the
discussions
that
we
started
to
have
is
between
our
services
and
leads,
because
I
think
our
head
teachers
are
telling
us
they'd
like
something
like
that
to
retain
to
have
that
opportunity
to
network
together
to
collaborate
to
share
that
well-being
support.
So
it's
really
early
days
of
of
how
we
tap
into
the
the
offer
from
education
support
the
funding
from
DFE
and
our
services
that
currently
operate
so
hopefully
I'll
be
able
to
give
you
later
a
lot
of
our
development
in
terms
of
the
head
teachers.
W
Support
service,
which
is
I
think
what's
great,
is
actually
that
this
when
we
set
this
up,
we
could,
from
our
conversations
with
school,
is
this
was
an
issue
that
I'm
glad
we
had
in
the
three
years
plan
to
get
things
up
and
running,
because
the
level
of
need
in
the
city
is
is
significant
at
the
moment,
but
we've
got
sort
of
systems
up
in
place
now
to
have
those
conversations
so
I'll
keep
you,
we
can
keep
you
updated
with
where
we
get
with
those.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
Council
of
Bethel.
Please.
J
Thank
you
again,
I'm
going
to
Dart
all
over
the
paper.
Absolutely
a
wonderful
read
and
I
am
so
pleased
that
this
strategy
is
is
working
and
the
team
I'm
just
really
grateful
for
the
work
that
you
guys
have
done.
J
So
thank
you,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
really
comes
out
when
you
speak
to
her
teachers
is
that
difficult
balance
between
the
time
taken
on
the
meeting
and
the
meetings
value
and
when
I
read
that
the
number
of
these
head
teacher
Network
meetings
had
increased
I
was
like,
oh,
that
seems
a
lot
but
then
actually
having
spoken
to
head
teachers,
we're
nailing
it
in
terms
of
the
level
of
support
and
the
value
of
those
meetings
and
I.
J
Think
I
just
think
it's
something
that
is
useful
feedback
on
how
positive
heads
are
when
they
speak
about
it
and
its
value.
The
supporting
the
governor
supporting
the
well-being
of
the
school
leaders.
It's
now
in
recent
inspections
that
I've
been
involved
with
it's
part
of
the
inspection
framework.
So
for
those
of
us
that
are
Governors,
it's
worth
really
taking
time
to
embed
that
in
your
Governor's
meetings.
J
J
J
It
makes
you
much
less
able
to
effectively
engage
in
trauma-informed
practice,
so
I
wonder
what
that
what
that
support
looks
like
and
then
the
final
one
is
it's
not
in
the
report,
but
I'd
like
it
to
be
in
the
future,
is
I'd
love
to
see
a
situation
where,
in
our
careers
and
pshe
type
work
with
young
people,
we're
telling
them
about
the
importance
of
CPD
a
lot
of
our.
J
What
would
traditionally
have
been
low,
achiever,
labeled
students
think
school
is
the
end
of
learning
and
actually
being
able
to
explain
that
engaging
in
school
is
just
the
start
of
CPD
that
will
go
on
throughout
their
lives
and
actually
getting
them
so
that
they
know
that
from
the
beginning,
I
believe,
with
very
little
evidence
would
mean
that
they're
much
more
likely
to
then
achieve
higher
when
they
get
into
the
workplace,
because
that
expectation
will
be
that
they
continue
to
progress
and
continue
to
learn.
Thank
you.
S
S
You've
outlined
that
during
an
inspection,
it
is
really
important
to
support
the
well-being
of
your
school
leaders
and
we
have
a
strategic
balance
now
between
their
offer
to
chairs
of
Governors
and
governing
bodies,
and
what
we
are
hoping
to
do
is
to
offer
Roundtable
events
just
for
chair
of
Governors
to
really
think
about.
Actually,
how
are
we
going
to
go
and
have
a
package
of
support
for
the
school
leader
and
I?
Think
that
is
the
the
key
Point
here.
S
Is
that
feeling
of
being
lonely
and
on
your
own
being
accountable
holding
on
your
shoulders
and
it's
all
all
eyes
are
on
you
and
we
look
to
you
and
whilst
during
inspection,
the
conversations
are
always
centered
around
as
a
head
teacher.
How
are
you
supporting
your
school
staff
and
not
the
other
way,
and
what
we
need
to
do
is
just
balance
that
out
slightly
so
that
actually
the
head
teacher
feels
as
supporters
as
a
school
staff
as
well.
S
So
we
were
holding
some
events
shortly
and
looking
at
training
specifically
for
chair
of
Governors
and
their
roles
and
responsibility
towards
ensuring
there's
a
well-being
agenda,
not
just
on
the
governing
body
minutes
meetings,
but
also
as
part
of
the
package
for
school
school
support
as
well.
So
it's
really
important
that
you
mention
that.
So
thank
you
very
much
trauma
informed
and
I.
Think
Dave
wants
to
come
in
as
well.
If
that's
right,.
W
So,
just
to
add
on
to
what
she
was
saying
about
the
governor,
so
we
actually
met
with
the
primary
Forum
yesterday,
which
was
a
really
interesting
meeting
with
heads,
and
we
talked
about
well-being
and
and
and
the
support
and
and
it's
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
we
support
Governors
to
undertake
their
challenge
role,
because
that
needs
to
happen,
but
also
not
just
be,
and
not
just
be
a
tick
box
exercise
on
checking
head
teacher
well-being.
W
It's
about
how
we
wrap
some
support
to
Governors
to
be
able
to
support
and
challenge
in
equal
measurement
effectively.
So
we've
even
notice
in
the
report
we've
put
governance
support
as
one
of
our
next
stage
priorities
to
keep
a
focus
on
to
really
support
that
sort
of
aspect
of
of
school
leadership.
W
Just
in
terms
of
and
then
the
the
head
teacher
meetings.
I
think
that's
been
really
useful,
I
think
and
it's
good
feedback
in
terms
of
we've
gone,
we've
increased
a
number
of
new
head
teacher
meetings
and
so
that
support,
because
that's
a
real
challenge.
You
know
a
new
head
teacher
coming
in
really
challenging
time
for
school
leadership
it's
challenging
anyway,
but
so
we've
increased.
W
Those
and
we've
also
widened
our
support
networks
to
include
those
head
teachers
that
were
appointed
during
covert
because
actually
coming
into
school
leadership
at
that
time
was
a
very
different
role
to
what
it
is
now
I.
Think
there's
you
know
significant
challenges,
so
I
think
so.
I
think
in
terms
of
that,
we're
trying
to
wrap
around
a
lot
more
support
for
those
new
and
relatively
new
head
teachers,
and
then.
E
In
regard
to
the
threes
I
know,
we
did
a
catch,
a
program
for
all
children.
E
Do
we
still
get
funding
from
that
from
the
government
is
I
think
we
did
for
a
while,
but
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
is
now
and
I
know
with
my
son.
You
know
he
had
you
know
he
had
to
catch
up
over
a
period
of
time.
This
was
before
covet,
but
that
was
over
many
years
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
catcher
was
only
for
two
years
and
then
that's
the
end
of
the
catch-up
program.
W
Yeah,
the
the
Catapult
is
still
going
ahead.
I
think,
if
you
remember,
when
the
the
initial
funding
came
out
to
schools,
it
was
very
much
targeted
at
schools
need
to
to
use
it
to
access
external
tutoring.
W
I.
Think
one
of
the
positive
things
that
that
changed
was
that
schools
could
then
utilize
that
funding
to
support
that
young
people
that
Young
Person's
catch
up
within
their
own
Resource
as
well,
so
that
money
for
the
time
being,
as
far
as
we
know,
is
remaining,
which
is
a
positive
yeah.
Any
money
remain,
is
always
positive.
A
Thank
you
for
that
councilor
Martin.
Please
thank.
H
You
chair:
yes,
it's
it's
great
to
hear
about
the
ways
that
we're
countering
some
of
the
effects
of
the
new
additional
pressures
on
teachers
and
and
head
teachers,
but
I
just
wonder
about
the
effects
on
on
morale
and
the
you
know
the
measures
of
that
in
terms
of
teacher
recruitment
into
school
and
and
what
we're
seeing
in
Leeds
I.
Just
wonder
if
you
could
comment
on
that.
Thank
you.
S
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
There
are
insurmountable
pressures,
and-
and
there
is
a
drive
I
think
we
have
had
conversation
with
the
DFE
to
look
at
the
correlation
between
the
last
three
years
and
teacher
Recruitment
and
Retention
crisis
and
where
teachers
and
head
teachers
have
left
as
a
direct
result
by
either
an
inspection,
but
also
the
insurmountable
pressures
and
I.
S
H
Sorry,
thank
you
yeah
just
so
so.
Where
are
we
in
terms
of
you
know
vacancy
levels?
Are
we
a
lot
worse
than
other
cities
do?
Have
we
got
any
metrics
on
that?
No.
S
We
wouldn't
hold
that
that's
a
level
of
data,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we
can
find
out,
but
we
wouldn't
necessarily
hold
it
because
it
wouldn't
come
into
it
with
school.
Individual
Academy
level
data,
yes,
but
how
do
the
Roundtable
event
would
give
us
some
level
of
understanding
of
where
we
are.
A
W
We
want
them
to
come
in,
yeah
I
was
just
going
to
say,
but
I
think
she
even
picked
up.
Actually,
the
the
the
the
data
around
stuff
vacancies
is
is
really
difficult
to
pull,
because
we
don't
have
one
overall
HR
provider
for
the
city
and
we
wouldn't
have
all
the
data
for
all
the
academies
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
quite
a
challenge
to
to
get
that
that
information.
W
One
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
and
I
know
academies
are
working
hard
on
that
this
and
the
local
authorities
working
hard
through
the
the
Improvement
teams
is
to
support
schools
in
terms
of
their
whole
succession,
planning
and
developing
staff.
Underneath
because
one
of
the
there's
significant
head
teacher
recruitment,
I
think
at
the
moment,
there's
over
10
11
head
teacher
recruitments,
which
in
the
city
is
a
big
percentage.
W
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Council
Stevenson,
please.
D
I'm
always
mindful
that
our
roles
here
as
councils
as
a
member
of
the
board,
so
with
reference
to
my
Declaration
of
interest
and
I,
just
wanted
to
mention
on
Recruitment
and
Retention,
there's
already
a
lot
of
work
underway
in
Academy
trust
across
the
city
around
those
issues
and
I'm
thinking
around
duplication,
I
chair
the
audit
and
risk
Committee
of
one
of
those
academies,
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
work,
around
internal
scrutiny
on
Recruitment
and
Retention
and
I
suppose.
D
The
themes
that
come
out
of
those
will
be
similar
for
other
Academy
trusts
as
well.
So
in
terms
of
that
Round
Table,
there's,
it
would
be
worth
I
would
think
not
not
just
having
professionals
leadership
in
there,
but
also
at
a
a
trustee
director
level
as
well
as
Governors,
and
likewise
the
Lee's
teaching
school
Hub
is
really
hot.
On
this
we've
recently
just
had
an
Austin
inspection
of
the
skip,
and
one
of
the
things
that's
come
out.
Lead
is
actually
outperforming
other
course.
D
So
it
would
obviously
be
a
great
opportunity
to
bring
those
Professionals
in
the
principle
of
these
two
School
Hub,
as
well
just
to
understand
the
themes
of
Recruitment
and
Retention
that
are
already
being
picked
up
as
well.
Thank
you.
X
X
I
think
what
we
need
to
ensure
that
is
to
make
clear
that
this
is
a
problem
that
is
city-wide
and
it's
also
Countrywide
I
would
hate
to
reach
a
situation
where
you
kind
of
get
one
set
of
schools
which
are
staffed
perfectly
and
then
loads
of
others.
Loads
of
other
schools
really
short
staffed
and
it's
a
problem
which
goes
right
from
head
teachers
down
to
support
staff
and
schools.
X
I've
been
to
know,
are
struggling
to
recruit
at
every
level
and
I
think
some
of
the
levers
of
that
are
local
and
we're
doing
what
we
can
to
to
to
tackle
that.
But
many
of
them
are
National
as
well.
People
will
have
seen,
and
the
number
of
teachers
going
on
strike
overpay
when
they've
seen
constant
below
inflation,
pay,
increases
I,
think
it's
a
real
term
decrease
of
something
like
20
percent
and
then,
when
the
governments
are
trying
to
offer
teachers,
an
unfunded
pay
rise
when
so
that
pay
rise.
X
It's
just
unfeasible
teachers
are
on
strike,
not
just
because
of
their
own
pay,
but
actually
because
of
other
conditions
going
on
the
amount
of
cuts.
Nine
percent
per
pupil
funding
cut
in
Leeds
alone,
we've
had
24.6
million
cut
from
The
High
needs
block.
That's
money
that
funds
children
with
special
educational
needs
and
disabilities
teachers
are
striking.
Because
of
this,
this
constant
cuts
and
the
constant
pressure
and
the
governments
are
saying
well
yeah
you
can
have
a
small
pay
rise,
but
it's
going
to
come
out
of
children's
education.
X
You
can
see
why
that
that
low
morale
along
a
lot
of
teachers
is
continuing.
You
can
see
why
a
lot
of
teachers
are
not
staying
in
the
profession.
So
while
we
we
will
do
everything
with
within
our
power
to
work
with
academies
preschools.
Anyone
will
work
with
us
to
be
honest
to
improve
that
teacher
retention.
There
are
some
national
levers
that
we
just
don't
control
and
that
need
sorting
at
a
national
level.
O
Yeah
absolutely
following
on
from
councilor
prayer,
he
has
made
some
of
the
points
I
was
going
to
make,
but
one
of
the
ways
to
recognize
the
value
of
teachers
is
to
offer
that
fully
funded
pay
raise
and
the
the
rise,
the
the
payment
that's
been
offered.
The
rise.
We've
just
been
talking
about
it
now
and
it's
not
fully
funding
it's
going
to
take
away
from
school
budgets
if
that's
implemented,
which
means
further
cuts
to
schools.
O
The
way
to
do
it
is
to
is
to
is
to
for
the
for
the
government
to
to
provide
that
fully
funded
pay
arise
in
line
with
the
rates
that
Scotland
Pay
Teachers.
That
will
solve
a
lot
of
the
Recruitment
and
Retention
issues,
and
you
know
I
speak
to
teach
teachers
on
a
daily
basis.
O
Who
will
tell
you
that
and
and
for
for
academies
to
recognize
that
National
peer
structure
as
well
and
make
sure
that
our
Academy
is
paying
line
with
that
National
peer
structure
that
will
solve
a
lot
of
the
recruitment
retention
issues,
so
I
won't
raise
or
whatever
counselor
I
won't
repeat
what
council
prayer
said,
but
absolutely
in
agreement
with
every
point
he
made.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I,
don't
have
any
other
contributors,
so
if
I
could
ask
Shane
Castle
Pryor
Julie,
if
there's
any
final
comments,
you'd
like
to
make
before
we
look
at
the
recommendation.
S
Just
going
to
make
a
very
just
a
small
Point,
really
to
add
on
to
what
council,
prior
and
Council
were
saying,
it's
a
loss
of
faith
and
credibility.
I
think
that
that's
really
important
in
terms
of
unfunded
hay
rise
and
the
Catch-22
situation
will
result
in
loss
of
staff
because
they
can't
fund
the
staff
they
already
have.
Such
an
unfund
at
the
budget
that
doesn't
allow
for
extra
staff
to
be
recruited
means
it
will
need
to
look
at
entirety
and
actually
I.
S
Think
it's
very
immoral,
because
what
we're
leading
schools
to
is
a
deficit
budget,
and
we
don't
want
in
Leeds
our
schools
to
be
in
that
position
where
they
are
having
to
fund
or
choose
between
us
Council
privacy
and
education
and
a
member
of
Staff.
It's
holy
moral,
so
any
national
levels
and
conversations
that
we
can
have
higher
up
will
be
very,
very
important
in
this
round.
S
R
R
I
think
it's
never
been
as
apparent
to
us,
as
you
know,
as
it
is
now
in
terms
of
as
Shaheen
has
said,
the
way
in
which
they
really
all
wrote
lead
to
those
School
leaders
in
terms
of
the
duty
care
of
Staff
vegetative
care
to
their
children
and
families
and
I
think
just
having
had
some
recent
conversation
with
school
leaders.
R
Last
week
this
week,
we've
got
more
meetings
and
towards
the
end
of
this
week,
I
think
just
the
impact
on
them
not
just
professionally,
but
actually
the
cost
to
them
in
terms
of
their
personal
lives
and
their
own
families
and
is
absolutely
Stark.
So
you
know,
on
behalf
of
the
director,
it's
just
to
say
thank
you
for
everything
that
you're
doing
as
vital
Partners
In,
The
City.
X
And
very
very
similar,
just
to
just
to
also
put
on
my
record
on
the
record.
My
thanks
to
our
phenomenal
education,
Improvement
team
I.
Think
the
a
lot
for
kpis
in
this
report
speak
for
themselves,
but
also
to
thank
teachers
and
School
staff
across
the
city.
X
While
we
as
a
centrally
in
the
council
I
hope
we
do
a
lot.
It
is
a
real
team
effort
from
from
hundreds
of
Staff
across
the
city
who
do
phenomenal
work
in
the
most
difficult
circumstances,
and
and
often
not
appreciated
whether
that's
nationally
or
in
the
newspapers,
but
I
just
want
them
to
know
that
from
we
as
a
council,
we
really
appreciate
everything
they
do.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
everybody.
So
the
recommendations,
it's
to
note
that
the
Three
A's
plan
actually
runs
until
August
2023,
so
the
director's
working
on
a
a
revised
version.
There
is
an
item
provisionally
scheduled
for
the
work
program
for
October,
for
the
scrutiny
board
to
consider
the
revised
plan
project
being
finalized.
My
suggestions
always
would
be
to
try
and
get
scrutiny's
involvement
early
and
to
try
and
help
to
shape
and
so
that
we're
looking
at
it
in
advance
of
of
being
finalized,
rather
than
sort
of
sort
of
come.
A
Do
it
with
us
rather
than
to
us
as
I
guess
is
the
principle.
So
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
that
with
the
successor
board,
I
think
that
would
be
useful
all
around.
So
everybody
happy
with
with
that.
A
Thank
you
so
we're
moving
on
councilor
Renshaw
will
be
delighted
to
item
nine,
so
the
youth
services
impact
of
the
new
model,
so
we've
got
some
new
contributors
coming
to
join
us,
so
we'll
just
give
them
a
second
to
get
settled
at
the
table.
So
while
they
do
that,
it's
by
way
of
introduction
last
year,
this
board
considered
the
development
of
a
new
model
of
Youth
Work
delivery
and
was
assured
back
in
March
2022
that
this
new
model
will
be
implemented
by
April
2022.
A
The
board
has
now
been
presented
with
the
report,
which
provides
details
of
the
work
that
has
been
undertaken
since
March
22
to
progress
the
new
model
of
Youth
Work
delivery
in
Leeds,
and
so
we
have
joining
us,
councilor,
Dowson
and
also
Paul
money,
and
we've
got
Liz
German
as
well
with
us.
Z
A
V
N
And
finally,
thank
you.
Council
morning,
everybody
I'm
Paul
money,
chief
officer
in
the
surfer,
stronger
communities
team
nice
to
see
you
all.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
I
think
it's
over
to
council,
Davison
and
then
Julie.
Thank.
Z
You
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
do,
is
apologize
for
councilor
Hall
and
the
exec
board
member
who
can't
be
with
us
today.
Z
So
I
hope
you
don't
think
this
is
a
second
class
substitute
I
I
I've
been
on
this
scrutiny
board
and
I.
Just
know
how
passionate
you
all
are
around
youth
work
and
around
what
we
do
in
the
city
towards
that.
So
we're
reporting
back
today
on
the
model,
it's
an
annual
report
and
we
do
hope
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
regular
event,
which
is
why
we've
we've
pulled
out
to
Liz
and
Paul
who
are
leading
on
this.
So
you
know
we
will
take
this
very
seriously.
Z
Reporting
back
to
scrutiny
and-
and
thank
you
for
inviting
us
I-
think
one
of
the
things
that
I've
always
listened
to
and
heard
very
clearly
from
this
scrutiny
board
is
how
locality
working
is
important,
especially
to
count,
and
we
have
I
can
see
several
children's
Champions
with
us
today
from
the
Community
Committee.
So
it
only
it
made
sense
to
actually
put
our
youth
work
offer
into
the
community's
team
so
that
it
would
be
and
have
that
focus
on
local
working
around
the
young
people.
Z
It
doesn't
seem
too
long
ago,
since
we
actually
were
looking
at
youth
work
and
we
we
sort
of
separated
the
enhanced
or
the
targeted
and
specialist
work
from
the
the
core
work
and
gave
grants
to
local
organizations
in
your
communities
to
actually
deliver
youth
work
to
the
young
people
that
you
know
best
and,
and
they
know
best,
but
the
planned
move,
I
think
has
gone
very
well
and
we
can
obviously
go
through
that
with
you,
the
consortia,
the
grants
and
the
life
coaching
team,
I,
hope,
I
heard
you
speaking
earlier
about
staff
and
the
difficult,
often
difficulty,
often
of
getting
qualified
staff
for
different
roles
and
retaining
them.
Z
So
one
thing
that
stood
out
to
me
was
the
life
coaching
Team
Six
of
the
eight
posts
are
now
filled,
and
we
might
have
moved
forward
from
that
since
then,
but
there's
an
investment
in
staff
in
the
report
as
well,
establishing
the
12
youth
worker
trainee
roles
and
supporting
them
to
actually
gain
qualifications
in
youth
work,
so
we're
actually
growing
our
own
Workforce
from
within
us
as
well.
Z
So
I
think
think
one
of
the
keys
to
me
and
it's
the
last
sort
of
item
on
the
report
that
you've
got
is
how
will
success
be
measured,
and
it
takes
me
right
back
to
my
early
days
of
children's
services
and
one
of
the
mantras
was
what
what
are
we
doing?
How
much
are
we
doing
and
is
it
making
any
difference
at
all,
and
that's
one
thing:
I
know
this
scrutiny
board
will
hold
us
to
what
difference
we're
actually
making
in
your
areas
and
for
the
young
people
and
families
that
you
represent.
Z
R
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
So,
as
has
been
said,
this
report
details
at
the
work
that's
been
undertaken
since
March
2022
to
progress
the
new
model
of
Youth
Work
delivery.
R
Essentially,
is
around
ensuring
that
children
can
reach
their
potential.
It's
ensuring
that
young
people
are
safe
from
harm
and
it
is
about
really
ensuring
that
Community
respect
and
also
resilience
in
terms
of
community
resilience
is
promoted
through
our
services
and,
as
has
been
described,
you
know
as
as
is
set
out
in
the
paper.
R
There
is
a
plan
that
our
locality
and
it's
really
important
to
be
clear-
that
our
locality,
Youth
Work
services,
will
move
over
to
our
safer,
stronger
communities
within
communities
and
environments
and
that's
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
I'm
sure
we'll
get
into
that
conversation,
but
part
of
that.
Really.
We,
as
the
board
knows
that
we
have
recently
had
an
LGA
peer
review
and
one
of
the
recommendations
from
that
review
was
really
for
us
as
a
as
a
cancer
as
an
authority
to
build
and
improve
on
our
integrated
working.
R
So
that's
really
looking
at
how
we
work
cross-directly,
how
we
use
our
resources,
whether
that's
staff,
whether
that's
buildings,
you
know
all
of
our
assets
in
a
more
integrated
way
and
that's
about
achieving
better
outcomes
for
Children
and
Families,
improving
the
experience
of
young
people,
people
when
they
come
into
contact
with
different
services.
But
it's
also
equally
been
meaningful
actually
of
the
responsibility
that
we
have
to
use
our
resources
as
effectively
as
possible.
R
R
You
know
intelligence
in
some
ways
in
terms
of
whether
young
people
have
been
who
they
have
come
into
contact
with
places
spaces
and
then
triangulating
that
information
in
terms
of
practice,
groups
of
young
people
in
terms
of
communities
and
actually
in
terms
of
what
does
that
say
and
for
the
wider
strategy
in
the
city,
in
particular
around
potentially
child
exploitation.
So
the
return
home
interview,
the
planners
that
that
will
stay
within
Children
and
Families,
also
the
pathways
team.
R
So
the
pathway
team
has
statutory
responsibility
in
terms
of
offering
support
to
young
people
who
are
not
in
education,
training
or
employment
and
or
young
people,
where
it's
not
known.
If
they're
in
education,
training,
employment,
again
that's
a
statutory
function
and
that
the
plan
will
be
that
that
will
remain
within
Children
and
Families.
R
Also,
the
life
coaches,
so
the
life
coaches
and,
as
have
already
been
reference,
they've,
got
a
real
focus
in
relation
to
working
with
children
on
the
edge
of
care,
also
to
again
support
those
children
who
are
not
in
education
to
your
employment
or
who
are
at
risk
of
becoming
not
in
education,
training
and
employment,
and
also
they
have
a
real
focus
in
terms
of
supporting
and
in
particular,
adolescent
Mental
Health,
and
in
addition,
the
plan
will
be
that
the
activity
centers
that
we
have
within
the
city
also
remain
under
the
responsibility
of
the
director
of
children
and
downloads,
and
that's
because
they
provide
a
range
of
services
both
to
Children,
looked
after
to
care
leavers
again
to
children
on
the
edge
of
care
to
our
foster
carers.
R
So
for
that
reason
it's
a
really
clear
rationale.
Why
those
Services?
You
know
the
plan
is
that
they
will
remain
within
the
children
and
families
directed
but
I'll
leave.
It
then
I'm
really
happy
to
answer
questions.
A
Thank
you,
I've
just
took
the
liberty
of
writing
down.
Councilor
Renshaw
has
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
on
on
this.
One.
L
Thank
you,
chair,
I've,
just
added
to
the
list,
but
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
for
the
information
that
you've
already
given
us
regarding
the
life
coaching.
What
is
the
difference
between
the
life
coaching
and
the
service
that
the
youth
service
used
to
provide
one-to-one
for
those
children
over
withdrawn
supplemental
health
Etc,
and
why
could
that
offer
not
be
made
into
a
full-time
course
for
the
Youth
workers?
Oh
I
understand
only
work
part-time
hours,
which
is
why
it's
so
difficult
to
recruit
in
the
youth
service.
L
When
there's
full-time
course
going
for
the
life
coaching
and
our
these
live
coaches
going
to
access
schools
and
build
up
those
links
with
children
who
are
requiring
support
in
education
because
a
lot
of
the
academies
employ
their
own
young
people's
service
or
their
the
employment
of
their
own
within
their
own
cluster.
L
R
Thank
you,
Council
eventual.
So
essentially,
when
we
established
the
life
coach
posts,
we
wanted
them
to
have
a
real
focus,
in
particular
around
adolescent
mental
health.
R
Part
of
that
was
really
that
we've
seen
an
increasing
demand
within
the
city
around
mental
health
in
general,
but
in
particular
around
adolescent
mental
health,
I
think
we've
referenced
before
at
scrutiny,
the
increasing
numbers
of
children
coming
into
care
and
who
are
adolescents.
So
we
really,
you
know
we
recognize
that
there's
a
whole
system
in
terms
of
offering
supports
Children
and
Families,
but
that
we
do
need
to
Target
resource
in
particular
areas
at
particular
times.
R
So
one
of
the
real
one
of
the
real
drivers
for
the
life
coaches
was
around
specifically
around
adolescent
mental
health
that
then,
as
I've
said,
does
Link
in
relation
to
children
on
the
edge
of
care,
so
children
who
are
at
risk
of
coming
into
care
what
we,
what
we've
also
done
I
suppose,
is
looking
at
the
ever
trauma
informed
approach,
and
so
we
have
secured
investment
from
Health
in
relation
to
a
trauma-informed
resource
and
that's
going
to
be
aimed
at
Workforce
Development.
R
So
really
looking
again
at
our
Universal
Services,
so
looking
at
our
clusters,
looking
at
our
schools,
ensuring
that
we
are
actually
providing
the
Workforce
Development
opportunities
to
upskill
staff
in
relation
to
looking
through
a
lens
of
being
trauma,
informed,
so
I
think
as
we've
sort
of
maybe
as
I've
said
peer
previously,
you
know
rather
than
look
at
a
child
and
think,
what's
the
matter
with
that
child,
so
look
at
a
child
and
to
think
what
has
happened
to
this
child,
which
means
that
they
are
now
behaving
in
this
particular
way
and
the
reason
that
I
cite
that
is
because
the
life
coaches
are
part
of
that
overall
strategy,
and
so
they
will
be
linking
with
that
trauma-informed
service.
R
There
will
also
be
a
key
part
of
our
intervention
prevention
strategies
so
where
we
have
our
early
Health
hubs
where
we
have
got
police
where
we've
got
family
support
workers
where
we've
got
substance,
misuse
and
coordinators,
domestic
violence,
coordinators,
mental
health
coordinators.
This
will
gives
us
a
targeted
resource
that
can
link
in
with
the
hubs
to
provide
support
for
individual
young
people
in
a
really
really
timely
manner.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
the
you
know.
R
Another
difference
in
relation
to
the
life
coaches
is
that
they
will
work
to
the
Leeds
practice
model.
So
we
have
a
restorative
early
support
teams
within
the
city
and
they
work
to
the
leads
practice
model,
and
that
means
that
they
they
use
what
we
call
rethink
formulation.
So
when
they're
working
with
a
particular
child
or
seeking
to
support
a
particular
child
or
family,
they
use
formulation,
which
is
an
evidenced
based
means
of
I,
suppose
hypothesizing
working
know
what
is
going
on
for
this
child
and
this
family.
R
It's
quite
a
it's
a
methodology,
that's
quite
prescriptive,
but
what
it
leads
to
is
a
really
clear
outcome,
focused
plan
that
formulation
can
be
done
with
Professionals
in
a
multi-agency
way,
but
it
can
also
be
done
with
the
child
and
with
the
family.
The
practice
model
also
includes
peer
group
supervision.
R
So
again,
where
colleagues
can
come
together,
even
as
you
know
whether
it's
with
teams
or
again,
whether
it's
with
Partners,
who
they're
working
with
closely
to
have
that
reflective
outcome,
focused
and
supervision,
and
it
also,
they
also
work
obviously
to
a
restorative
and
principles.
So
again,
I
suppose,
there's
something
about
we've
got
we've
got
Universal
Services,
we've
got
more
targeted
services,
but
at
times
we
need
to
have
even
more
targeted
specific
services,
and
that's
why
the
life
coaches
stand
and
slightly
apart
from
the
locality
based
youth
service.
L
Because
I
understand
that
the
life
coaches
have
the
same
qualification
as
a
senior
youth
officer.
Is
that
my
that's?
My
understanding
is
that
right
and
they've
been
recruited
after
being
recruited,
or
has
it
been
advertised
to
the
youth
Service,
the
youth
workers
as
a
full-time
post,
when
the
youth
workers
only
have
part-time
posts
but
yeah?
What's
going
to
happen
to
these
children
that
have
been
looked
after
by
the
life
coaches
and
how
many
weeks
are
the
life
coaches
going
to
do
a
program
of
work
with
them
and
are
you
going
to?
L
L
Because
at
the
moment
in
my
world
around
us,
the
youth
matters
group,
the
sales
gbtq
group
that
me
there's
the
General
youth
service
group
that
meets
and
I
got
this
at
the
miracula
and
they
are
very,
very
high
quality
delivery
on
that
on
the
ground
that
addresses
all
the
issues
that
young
people
have
and
they
have
one-to-ones
with
the
senior
health
Office
of
the
anything
that's
to
do
with
mental
health.
They'll
get
referred
to
get
to
get
all
the
treatment
that
what
I
see
as
what
the
life
cultures
are
doing.
L
L
R
I
suppose
it's
about
having
a
range
of
services
to
meet
a
range
of
needs,
and
actually
the
life
coaches
in
some
ways
will
provide
that
more
intensive
support
to
children
and
young
people
I
think
you
know
the
other
thing
is.
It
does
create
another
opportunity.
So
you
know
one
of
our
absolute
key
objectives
and
we've
already
talked
about
that
this
morning
is
about
it's
not
only
about
recruitment,
but
it's
about
retention,
and
actually
this
does
give
another
option.
R
You
know
whether
that's
for
existing
youth
workers,
who
perhaps
are
working
part-time
in
terms
of
progression,
are
just
to
take
up
an
alternative
role.
You
know
I
think
it
does
again
diversify
that
Workforce
you're
right
in
terms
of
you
know
the
skills
and
the
knowledge
and
experience
and
but
I
think
it
is
about
creating
a
range
of
opportunities
but
I
suppose
just
to
be
clear.
The
life
coaches
and
do
have
a
different
role.
There'll
be
similarities.
R
You
know,
but
to
be
honest
with
you,
there
will
be
similarities
between
family
support
workers
and
the
provision
that
youth
workers
deliver.
You
know
there
will
be
similarities
and
there
will
be
similarities
in
terms
of
the
experience
and
the
knowledge
that
those
workers
have
across
the
board.
That's
not
to
minimize
or
discharge
for
one
minute.
The
professional
particular
knowledge
and
experience
that
we
would
be
looking
for
in
our
youth
workers,
but
the
life
coaches
do
have
a
a
different
role.
R
You
know
and
that's
because
in
a
sense
the
evidence
has
been
there
that
that
has
been
required
in
the
city,
specifically
around
adolescence
and
adolescents,
on
the
EduCare
in
adolescents
who
do
have
mental
health
problems,
social,
emotional,
mental
health
issues,
okay,.
R
No
and
cancer
Venture
I,
you
know
I
am
sitting
here
as
interim
director
of
Children
and
Families
and
I
would
want
to
be
absolutely
explicit
in
terms
of
the
value
that
youth
work
has
in
this.
R
Local
Authority
and
I
would
also
want
to
highlight
that,
where
local
other
locked
authorities
across
the
country
have
cut
their
youth
service,
you
know
where
they
no
longer
have
a
youth
service
leads
the
local
Authority,
The,
Children
and
Families
director
has
been
absolutely
committed,
not
just
to
retaining
that,
but
to
Growing
that
and
to
develop
that,
and
that's
where
I
see
the
life
coaches
being
part
of
that
and
that
response
to
emerging
needs
what
we
know
and
again
part
of
I'm
so
part
of
our
success.
R
R
You
know
it's
not
that
one
is
any
better
than
the
other.
This
is
about
partnership
working
and
it's
about
providing
a
System
to
children
and
families
that
will
meet
their
needs.
Q
Come
in
yeah
thank
you,
chair
I,
just
thought:
I'd
come
in
because
youthwork
isn't
in
my
portfolio
anymore,
but
it
did
used
to
be
so.
I
developed
the
current
model
with
the
youth
service
and
then
handed
it
over
to
councilor
Harland
to
implement
so
councilor
ensure
the
life
coaches.
I,
don't
know.
If
you
remember
the
origins.
Q
The
life
coaches
was
a
budget
commitment
from
baroness
Blake
when
she
was
our
leader
and
it
was
very
much
about
as
Julie
said,
the
recognizing
the
increase
in
adolescent
mental
health
and
already
at
that
point
arise
in
a
number
of
adolescents
going
into
care,
and
it
was
always
about
additionality
about
providing
an
additional
resource
to
the
youth
service.
So,
although,
as
you
said,
our
youth
workers
do
fantastic
work,
including
around
mental
health.
What
we
wanted
was
some
really
specialist
input
around
mental
health.
Q
So,
of
course,
current
youth
workers
can
apply
for
those
roles
if
they
want
to
be
a
specific
mental
health
practitioner
and
if
they
feel
they
have
the
experience,
skills
and
knowledge
to
do
so.
So
it
was,
as
Julie
said,
it
was
a
reflection
of
our
commitment
to
the
youth
service
in
bringing
in
that
additional
resource
and
bringing
in
something
that
was
quite
specialist
to
work
within
and
alongside
the
youth
service.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
Jackie.
Please.
E
Hi
I'm
delighted
to
see
that
youth
work
has
been
given
a
status
now
they're
working
with
Leeds
Baker
University
with
a
a
youth
work,
apprenticeship,
degree,
level,
six
and
that's
absolutely
fantastic,
because
when
we
were
on
the
ground
a
few
years
ago,
that
was
the
one
thing
the
youth
workers
were
saying
that
they
felt
they
had
no
status
and,
at
least
by
having
a
degree
in
Youth.
Work
It
means
that
there
is
a
status
view
work
and
it
is
really
important
and
I
really
am
delighted.
This
is
here.
Q
I
just
want
to
touch
that
we've
been
really
mindful
of
that
within
the
director
as
well,
and
it's
a
national
issue
that
youth
work
generally
is
not
seen
as
on
parity
with
social
work,
for
example,
where
it
should
be
in
terms
of
the
specific
skills
that
those
staff
had
and
within
the
direction.
We've
done
a
number
of
things
over
the
years
to
increase
status
of
youth
work.
So
the
head
of
early
help
Vicky
for
girls
used
to
be
the
head
of
Youth
service
and
to
have
someone
in
that
really
senior
role
from
a
youth
work.
Q
Background
feels
really
important
because
quite
rightly,
most
directors
of
children
services
come
from
social
education,
which
is
necessary.
But
it's
it's.
It's
really
important
that
you
have
people
from
a
youth
work
background
at
a
senior
level
as
well
and
I'm,
proud
to
say
we
do
in
Leeds
we
had
just
before
the
pandemic.
We
had
a
youth
work
conference
which
was
going
to
be
an
annual
event,
so
we
need
to
revive
it
again
after
the
pandemic,
because
that
was
very
much
about
giving
youth
work.
Q
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that.
Councilor
four
says:
please.
F
Oh
right,
thank
you.
I
was
minded
during
this
discussion
of
a
saying
that
used
to
it
used
to
be
it
takes
a
community
to
raise
a
child
and
I
thought.
We've
lost
that
so
I
very
much
welcome
this.
This
move
back
to
to
the
sort
of
yeah
the
localities
office
so
in
terms
of
that
and
I
do
think
about
my
own
Ward
as
well.
What's
needed
is
other
facilities
for
that
and
I
wonder
whether
there's
only
will
be
any
sort
of
auditing
of
what
what
facilities
are
actually
available
for
youth
work.
F
F
As
a
a
secondary
science
teacher
I
know
fully
that
one
of
the
things
that
often
encouraged
engagement
with
the
less
engaged
youth
was
very
often
starting
to
grow.
Things
and
I
know
that
the
survey
that
was
done,
the
youth,
a
lot
of
them,
were
saying
they
wanted
to
be
cooking
and
that's
something
that's
gone
from
the
school
curriculum
and
something
else
which
has
been
was
quite
difficult.
F
R
It
talks
about
you
know,
mobile
van
Provisions,
so
where
we
take
the
youth
service
out
to
particular
areas
where
perhaps
there's
not
Center
provision
where
we've
got
our
detached,
Youth
Work
provision
so
again
taking
that
service
to
and
I
suppose
the
places
in
this
space
is
that
young
people
have
claimed
as
their
own,
but
equally
I
think
it's
an
ongoing
conversation
with
young
people
and
with
communities
in
terms
of
you
know
where,
where
if
where
it's
required,
you
know
so
again
having
that
targeted
support
where
we
know
that
there
might
be
particular
issues
and
with
particular
groups
of
young
people
and
particularly
engaging
them
in
the
conversation
about
actually
what
to
do.
R
They
want
to
see
you
know
in
in
the
youth
service.
You
know
what
is
it
that
would
enable
them
to
engage
better
with
the
users
and
in
some
ways
it
goes
back
to
the
earlier
conversations
around
removing
areas
you
know
to
towards
being
able
to
engage
with
those
young
people
start
supports.
R
What
I
would
say
is
it's
something
that
we're
constantly
looking
at
I
also
think
that
the
the
plan
that
is
is
set
out
in
the
paper
will
enable
us
to
want
much
more
closely
so
the
children
and
families
director
with
communities
and
environments
and
part
of
that
we'll
be
looking
at
what
are
our
assets.
You
know
what
are
our
shared
assets?
How
can
we
use
those
to
best
effect,
but
also?
How
can
we
think
differently?
You
know
you
know
going
back
to
the
green
spaces.
You
know
actually
but
I.
Think
for
me.
F
Can
I
just
come
back
very
quickly,
something
I
didn't
say:
is
it
it's
about
the
young
people
I
mean
I,
think
about
some
of
the
behavior
that
has
sort
of
destroyed
trees
that
have
been
planted
and
things
for
them
to
be
able
to
Value
the
green
spaces
as
well
as
part
of
that
work.
Thank.
R
You
yeah
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
that's
really
really
important,
because
I
think
we've
talked,
you
know
the
paper
talks
and
we've
talked
earlier
about
our
role
as
Professionals
in
you
know,
in
educating
young
people
in
in
this
broadest
sense
and
enabling
them
to
become
and
the
citizens
of
tomorrow
and
part
of
that
is
about
having
prayed
and
ownership
and
in
the
local
communities
and
recognizing
you
know
the
things
that
can
impact
or
have
negative
impacts
on
their
local
communities.
R
A
Thank
you,
I
just
prefer.
Bringing
Castle
Renshaw
back
in,
can
I
just
ask
a
question
just
to
clarify
obviously
you're
moving
the
bulk
of
youth
work
to
to
the
communities
directorates,
which
scrutiny
board.
Will
it
report
to
going
forward
foreign.
R
So
I
think
as
it
stands
at
the
moment,
the
plan
would
be
for
the
locality
based
youth
work
to
report
to
and
the
communities
and
environments,
scrutiny
and
we'll
be
looking
at
that
in
terms
of
through
the
delegated
decision
making
for
the
director
in
terms
of
communities
and
environments
and
also
the
director
in
terms
of
Children
and
Families,
and
as
I've
already
set
out.
You
know
the
return
home
interview
service,
the
pathways
service,
which
provides
support
around
those
young
people
that
are
not
in
education,
training
or
employment.
R
Equally,
the
life
coaches
and
the
activity
centers
would
still
sit
within
or
sit
underneath
the
director
of
Children
and
Families
and
would
report
to
this
scrutiny
and
that's
not
to
say
and
I
think
it's
been
referenced
earlier,
that,
if
I'm
sure,
if
the
children
and
families
scrutiny
board,
would
welcome
regular
updates
in
terms
of
the
broader
youth
service,
that
that
cannot
be
facilitated.
A
Yeah
I'm,
just
mindful
that
the
the
Constitution's
quite
clear
that
we
can't
duplicate
so
actually
it
wouldn't
be
an
option
for
this
board
to
monitor
that
we
could
possibly
look
at
co-optimism,
but
it
might
be
something
that
board
members
want
to
reflect
on.
The
the
Constitution
doesn't
allow
two
boards
to
to
scrutinize
the
same
thing
for
good
reason
of
time,
but
it
might
be
something
to
to
reflect
on
so
councilor
Renshaw.
L
Sorry
I
was
going
to
have
something
quite
similar
to
that
question,
but
regarding
the
the
climate
emergency
work,
the
youth
team
have
already
been
involved
in
that
I.
Don't
know
if
they've
been
involved
in
it
throughout
the
city,
but
I
know
they've
been
asking
Robin
Hood.
So
I'd
like
you
to
pass
on
my
thanks
to
that
team,
because
they've
done
it
in
more
than
one
area
of
the
world,
not
only
planting
trees
but
picking
fruit
from
The
Orchard
and
putting
cardboard
around
the
plants
which
has
been
sort
of
a
recycling
thing.
L
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
aware,
but
I'm
sure
you'll
have
seen
it
and
and
so
I.
Just
like
my
passing
on
so
I'm
just
wondering
I'm
still
a
bit
confused
as
to
what
difference
the
work
will
be
between
I
keep
up
install
a
couple
name
of
these
new
recruits
life,
coaching
scene
and
the
youth
service
team,
and
what
what
different
qualities
is
there
in
the
qualification
because,
like
I
said
before,
they
already
have
one-to-ones
in
the
youth
team.
So
I'm
still
a
bit
baffled
by
how
they're
going
to
work.
R
Because,
eventually,
I'd
be
really
happy
and
unfortunately,
Vicky
foggles
wasn't
able
to
come
here
today.
Who's
our
head
of
Youth
service,
because
she's
on
leave
but
I'd
be
really
happy
for
Vicky
and
I
to
come
and
give
you.
You
know
a
particular
briefly
not
to
talk
to
you
in
more
depth
around
the
life
coaches
and
perhaps
what
is
the
difference
and
again
what
was
the
intention
as
as
I've
already
set
out
when
they
were
established,
but
I'm
really
happy
to
do
that.
A
R
A
G
I
just
want
to
speak
in
support
of
them.
These
life
coaches,
in
the
program
being
put
in
place
to
reassure
Karen
Renshaw
I,
think
that
actually,
you
just
cannot
simply
get
enough
support.
There's
no
such
thing
as
too
much
support
and
whether
adolescent
at
home,
as
well
with
with
ongoing
ups
and
downs,
I,
think
that
if
you
can
have
somebody
that
can
come
in
and
literally
say
what
can
we
do
for
you
we'll
cover
all
of
the
areas
involved.
G
Then
you've
got
a
real
Advocate.
You've
got
a
real
person,
that's
literally
feeling
like
they're
on
their
team
and
I.
Don't
think
that
can
be
sort
of
underestimated
at
all.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
any
final
comments
in
terms
of
summing
up
I'll
just
I'll,
give
my
view
for
what
it's
worth
on,
where
this
would
best
sit.
My
personal
view
is
I'd
like
to
see
this
stay
with
this
scrutiny,
board
and
I.
Think
it's
beneficial
to
have
other
directorates
coming
here,
and
it's
something
that
the
child
friendly
inquiry
picked
up
a
few
years
ago
was
getting
more
more
involvement.
So
it's
a
personal
view.
It
won't
be
me
selling
the
chair
next
year,
so
perhaps
my
suggestion
would
be.
A
If
you
look
to
group
whips
in
the
new
Municipal
year
to
have
a
discussion
with
yourselves
to
see
where
the
members
feel
it
would,
it
would
best
sit
back.
I
think
there'd
be
a
lot
of
value
in
in
keeping
that
brief
under
this
board,
who've
been
watching
over
it
for
a
long
time
and
a
well-versed
in
managing
progress
on
on
this
area.
L
Can
I
just
ask
what
Paul's
feels
like
because
it's
at
the
end,
so
quiet
and
I
don't
like
to
see
people
sucked
by
it.
N
Thank
you,
Council
Renshaw
and
thank
you
chair
I
mean
a
significant
degree
of
context.
Setting
has
already
been
referenced
already
by
councilor
downson
and
Julian
councilor,
venner
I.
Think
I
think.
The
thing
that
I
would
say
is
the
silver
stronger
communities
team
already
works
really
really
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
in
in
children's
services
across
a
range
of
of
of
of
different
issues.
N
So
I
would
see
this
more
about
building
on
the
good
work
of
the
youth
service
and
and
and
the
partnership
working
that
goes
on
already,
rather
than
some
sort
of
Revolution
that
that's
not
the
intention,
and
we
also
recognize
that
there
is
a
real
strong
need
for
a
city-wide
approach
to
the
delivery
of
Youth
service
provision
and
and
indeed
the
the
the
Professional
Service
that's
been
alluded
to
already
by
by
by
Council
of
Anna
and
and
others.
N
This
is
more
about,
as
I
said,
building
on
the
good
work
already
and
thinking
about
closer
alignment
from
a
from
a
from
a
locality
perspective,
but
also
thinking
about
some
of
the
key
themes
that
our
young
people
and
children
are
at
risk
of
in
the
city
and
and
thinking
about
how
we
can
work
with
early
help
and
how
we
can
work
with
our
police
colleagues
and
how
we
can
work
with
a
range
of
other
resources
working
in
that
locality,
setting
to
ensure
that
we've
got
that
early
intervention
approach
as
effective
as
it
can
be
and
that
the
problem
solving
arrangements
are
are
delivering
and
I'm.
N
Thinking
specifically
here
about
serious
violence,
I'm
thinking
about
social
behavior,
I'm
thinking
about
criminal
and
and
sexual
exploitation,
but
very
much
from
a
preventative
perspective.
We've
we've
resources
in
place
to
respond
to
that
type
of
thing,
but
we
think
it's
just
incumbent
upon
us
to
work
as
close
as
we
can
together
to
to
support
the
wider
development
of
our
young
people
across
the
city
and
that
that's
very
much
going
to
be
the
intention.
N
We
also
think
there
are
opportunities
to
develop
the
links
as
I
think
councilor
Dowson
referenced
with
Community
committees
and
children
of
young
people,
champions
in
particular,
which
we
think
there's
opportunities
there
to
take
that
particular
agenda
agenda
forward,
and
that
of
course
brings
in
a
whole
range
of
other
things,
including
youth,
Summits
and
yaf
funding,
and
we
just
see
that
there
are
opportunities
out
there
for
us
to
work
in
that
collaborative
space.
N
N
It's
about
building
on
what's
working
already,
the
question
about
assets
is
a
key
thing
as
well,
particularly
Community
Based
assets,
because
the
locality
working
agenda
that's
been
led
by
by
my
colleague,
Liz
just
down
the
table,
but
working
again
in
in
partnership
with
a
with
members
and
other
and
other
services
is,
is
exactly
about
identifying
what
assets
are
out
there
for
us
to
to
to
maximize
so
so
it's
really
about
opportunity
is
this,
but
I
will
also
welcome
the
conversation
about
governance
and
about
accountability
and
just
had
a
quick
chat
with
Julie
there
about
the
observations
at
Council.
N
On
that
you
made
around
scrutiny
and
there's
there's
some
other
thinking
we
need
to
do
in
and
around
this,
but
but
but
really
happy
to
support
any
conversation
in
in
this
particular
scrutiny
board
moving
forwards,
as,
as
you
see
fit,
I
think
that's,
probably
all
I
I
would
want
to
say
without
repeating
what
what
other
colleagues
have
said.
N
A
You,
okay,
so
thank
you
and
thank
you
very
much
everybody.
So
the
recommendation
that
we've
got
is
for
the
board
to
support
and
endorse
the
approach
being
taken
to
continue
developing
a
joined
up
and
consistent
approach
to
the
quality
assurance
and
promotion
of
the
youth
work
offer
in
Leeds.
So
can
I.
Take
it
everybody's
happy
to
do
that.
A
Splendid.
Okay.
So
we
move
on
to
item
10,
which
is
the
end
of
year
scrutiny
board
statement.
So
thank
you.
Each
board
now
produces
an
interviewer
statement
to
complement
the
broader
scrutin
annual
reports.
The
2022-23
end
of
year
statement
has
been
circulated
for
members
consideration
and
approval
so
and
I
ask
if
everyone's
happy
to
approve
Splendid.
Thank
you
very
much
so
that
is
done.
Item
11
we're
moving
on
to
the
work
schedule,
so
I'll.
Let
Angela
do
her
a
bit
first.
B
Thank
you
chair,
so,
given
that
today's
meeting
is
expected
to
be
the
board's
final
formal
public
meeting
for
this
year,
there's
a
draft
work
schedule
for
the
new
Municipal
year.
That's
set
out
an
appendix
one
for
members.
Consideration
so
you'll
note
that
it
includes
preliminary
future
meeting
dates.
It
reflects
known
items
of
scrutiny,
activity
that
includes
performance
and
budget
monitoring,
but
also
has
other
identified
areas
of
work
that
this
bond
has
already
recommended
for
the
success
of
board
to
pursue.
B
But
should
there
be
any
other
suggestions
at
this
stage,
then?
Obviously
that
would
get
reflected
in
the
minutes.
That
will
also
go
to
the
first
meeting
of
the
new
successor
board
and
kids.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so,
just
before
we
move
on
from
this
item,
there's
a
few
few
comments
and
thank
yous
I,
think
so.
There's
a
few
members
that
are
retiring
from
the
council
this
time,
so
councilor
Reagan,
obviously
is
being
substituted
for
today.
So
it
sent
her
a
good
wishes.
Councilor
Forsyth,
you
have
our
warmest
wishes
and
thank
you
for
for
all
your
contributions
to
the
board.
We
will
miss
you
around
this
table
adopted
members.
A
A
Similarly
Jackie,
who
has
been
on
the
board
almost
forever,
with
with
the
exception
of
Tony,
but
has
brought
a
fantastic
contribution
over
many
years
and
I
know
as
well.
It
may
not
be
your
last
meeting
so
I
think
again.
If
there's,
if
there's
a
way,
we
can
find
for
you
to
continue
the
incredible
contributions
you've
made.
A
Then
we'll
have
a
look
at
that
and
see
if
it
can
be
done,
but
thank
you
for
everything
on
behalf
of
all
the
chairs
that
you've
served
under
and
all
the
board
members
you've
worked
with.
I
think
everyone
has
valued
what
you've
brought
to
the
table.
So
thank
you,
Jackie
there'll,
be
quite
a
number
of
this
is
quite
a
long
list
of
our
members
who
are
up
for
election.
Some
are
retiring.
Some
are
some
are
not
that
I
I
can't
wish
everybody
look
around
the
table.
A
Oh
I'm,
being
honest,
but
I
wish
everybody
well
in
the
in
the
in
the
elections
and
then
finally,
this
will
be
Angela's.
Last
meeting
supporting
the
sport
as
you'll
be
moving
on
to
to
show
which
Port
are
you
going
to
health
scrutiny.
B
A
A
So,
and
and
I
can,
as
and
I've
always
appreciated
the
work
that
the
principal
scrutiny
advisors
do,
but
never
quite
as
much
as
I
do
when
I
became
a
chair
and
it's
it
I
couldn't
have
done
this
job
without
Angela.
Who
has
been
an
absolute
fantastic
support?
It
all.
It
looks
easy
and
seamless
most
of
the
time,
but
it's
it's
there's
often
frantic
things
going
on
at
the
last
minute,
and
so
yes,
yes,
no.
A
But
you'll
be
in
you'll,
be
in
safe
hands
next
year,
as
Rob
who's
in
the
back
is
all
ready
to
take
over
so
but
Angela
all
the
very
best,
and
thank
you
for
all
your
support
and
then
finally,
after
I
didn't
realize
quite
how
long
it's
been,
but
after
five
years
and
about
50
meetings.
This
will
be
my
last
meeting
sat
in
this
chair.
So
it's
been
a
great
privilege
to
to
do
this.
A
Job
I've
been
involved
in
this
scrutiny
board
from
the
very
start
16
years
ago
and
I
was
first
elected
to
council.
There's
not
many
faces
around
the
table
that
have
been
here
for
for
that
long,
I,
think,
Tony
and
and
Karen
probably
are
about
about
it.
I've
seen
off
multiple
executive
members
and
and
directors,
Council
Dallas
as
well
I
think
you
were
here
at
the
start
as
well
yeah.
A
So
so,
whoever
is
here
next
year,
I
wish
them
all
the
best,
because
they've
got
one
of
the
best
jobs
in
the
council
to
chair
this
me,
but
I
thank
every
single
one
of
you
for
your
work
for
the
past
year
and
support
over
the
last
five
years
and
for
mainly
being
I,
can
possibly
come
for
being
mainly
very
well
behaved.
So
thank
you
all
very
much.
A
Thank
you.
So
my
final
Act
is
to
go
to
item
12.
The
date
and
time
of
the
next
meeting
is
Wednesday.
The
7th
of
June,
which
seems
miles
away
at
10
o'clock,
they've
put
down
a
pre-meeting
at
9,
30.
My
Pet's
always
been
a
tough
short
meeting,
so
whether
the
the
new
chair
will
stick
with
that,
I've
got
no
idea,
but
thank
you
all
very
much
for
today
and
for
all
the
work
that
we've
done
and
see
you
all
soon.