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A
Exclusive
growth
scrutiny
board
I
think
there
seems
to
be
a
bit
of
an
echo
on
the.
A
A
So
before
we
get
into
the
agenda
proper
I'm
going
to
go
around
in
the
time
honored
fashion
and
ask
members
of
the
board
to
introduce
themselves
for
the
benefits
of
any
observers,
I
won't
ask
the
officers
to
do
that
at
the
moment
until
we
reach
the
item
on
the
agenda
for
which
they're
in
attendance.
So
thanks
for
Alderson.
C
D
Good
morning
everybody
Council
La
otley
newtonwood.
G
Good
morning
how's
the
Jess
Lennox
Crossgates
and
windmill
award.
A
A
You,
peace,
no
okay,
agenda
item:
five:
apologies:
we've
had
one
apology
from
counselor
Hayden
the
executive
board,
member,
whose
portfolio,
who
is
our
particular
areas
of
scrutiny,
or
at
least
one
that
is
on
the
agenda
today,
agenda
item
six:
the
minutes,
okay
of
the
last
meeting
I,
will
go
through
them
Page
by
Page.
They
start
on
page
five.
If
there
are
any
matters
arising
or
any
inaccuracies
that
you
wish
to
raise,
please
shout
out
so
page
five.
A
And
page
10.,
okay
abroad,
members
content
for
me
to
sign
those
once
they
want
yeah
content
for
me
to
to
sign
them
as
a
correct
record.
Yeah
I'll
take
silences
acquiescence
in
that.
So
moving
on
to
agenda
item
seven,
the
100
digital
leaves
update
I
think
as
I've
said,
Elsewhere
on
the
agenda.
This
has
been
I
think
a
great
example
of
what
scrutiny
can
achieve
when
we
conducted
our
initial
inquiry
into
digital
inclusion,
which
reported
in
2015
so
eight
years
ago.
A
I
think
we
a
recognize
that
digital
inclusion
was
a
challenge
that
needed
to
be
met,
but
also
the
the
resources
being
devoted
to
digital
inclusion
or
exclusion.
However,
you
want
to
describe
it.
We're
very
limited
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
Jason,
who
presented
the
responded
to
the
report
at
the
time
and
operating
really
at
the
margins.
I
think
today
there
has
been
a
massive
transformation.
A
100
digital
is
front
and
center
in
terms
of
council
priorities.
It
is
resource
significantly
and
there
are
permanent
resources
because
in
the
past
we
have
raised
concerns
about
most
of
the
funding
being
levered
in
from
outside
and
I.
Think.
The
greatest
element
is:
how
leads
the
lead
city
council
as
the
main
leading
partner
I
recognize
as
UK
leaders
but
I
think
obviously
Jason
will
will
come
on
to
that
so
Jason
I
hope
I
haven't
stolen
too
much
of
your
thunder.
A
J
Thank
you,
chair,
No,
Stealing
of
Thunder
at
all,
always
happy
to
get
a
warm
introduction.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
Jason
tooting
I
lead
the
100
digital
leads
program,
and
we
will
I
will
take
us
through
the
report
in
a
minute
or
two,
but
first
of
all
I'll.
Let
Amy
introduce
herself
and
then
she's
got
a
very
brief
presentation
to
give
a
high
level
overview
of
what
is
100.
Digital
leads
and
some
of
the
highlights
from
the
report.
K
Thank
you
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Amy
head
and
I'm
senior
digital
inclusion
officer.
One
of
two
I've
got
a
bit
of
a
sore
throat
today,
so
I'm
a
little
bit
husky,
but
I'm
fine,
Leslie,
so
yeah
ready.
So
this
is
just
a
really
short
presentation,
as
Jason
said
just
going
a
really
high
level
over
who
we
are
what
we
do
in
our
approach.
K
Thinking
about
that
some
of
this
was
covered
in
previous
reports
and
that
this
report
is
an
update
on
that
Okay.
So
100
digital
leads
when
we
think
about
digital
inclusion,
we
think
of
it
as
social
inclusion.
We
want
everybody
to
be
able
to
use
digital
in
the
way
that
works
best
for
them
to
be
able
to
do
the
things
that
matter
to
them
and
so
that
they
can
have
an
easier
life.
K
Whatever
that
looks
like
for
them,
we
want
everybody
to
be
able
to
make
an
informed
choice
and
have
the
same
Choice
as
I
do
when
it
comes
to
whether
to
use
Digital,
Services
or
face-to-face
or
other,
and
in
order
to
have
an
informed
choice.
We
need
to
be
able
to
remove
the
barriers
to
people
being
able
to
access
digital,
so
that
is
around
supporting
people
to
have
the
equipment
that
they
need
the
stuff,
the
Wi-Fi,
the
connectivity,
people
having
the
skills
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
use
digital
tools
and
resources.
K
The
confidence.
Thank
you,
the
confidence
in
themselves
to
be
to
think
that
they
can
engage
with
digital
and
they're,
not
going
to
break
it
or
anything
like
that,
but
also
the
confidence
in
the
digital
tools
and
services
that
they're
safe,
that
they're
unusable
that
they're
not
going
to
have
their
all
their
money
stolen
at
the
bank,
or
something
like
that
and
then
finally,
that
they
have
the
understanding
of
the
kinds
of
things
they
can
do
online
and
how
that
might
benefit
them
as
an
individual.
K
So
they
have
the
motivation
to
engage
with
digital
as
well.
So
the
100
digital
leads
ambition
is
to
build
a
coordinated
and
connected
digital
inclusion.
Ecosystem
across
leads,
so
our
role
is
facilitation,
so
we're
a
small
team
currently
of
four
is
that
right,
but
with
four
vacancies
at
the
moment,
and
so
we
can't
possibly
support
all
of
the
thousands
of
people
across
leads
that
are
digitally
excluded.
K
Nor
would
we
be
able
to
because
those
digital
excluded
people
come
from
all
sorts
of
the
city
from
all
different
backgrounds,
from
different
communities
of
interest
and
the
experience
digital
exclusion
differently.
So
there's
different
barriers
that
are
mentioned
on
the
last
slide.
People
can
phase
one
or
more
or
all
of
this
to
different
degrees.
K
People's
motivations
are
different.
People's
benefits
are
different
Etc.
So
what
our
approach
is
to
build
a
network
of
digital
inclusion,
support
across
the
city
embedded
into
those
services
and
play
this-
is
that
people
that
are
more
likely
to
be
digital
excluded,
already
used
and
go
to
so.
This
is
what
I've
just
described
is
what
we
we
call
our
community-based
approach.
So
this
is
an
approach
that
in
you'll
see
when
Jason
reads.
K
So
he
presents
the
paper
that
one
of
the
pieces
of
work
that
we've
done
this
year
is
to
reflect
on
basically
our
and
test
and
learn
approach
that
we've
been
taking
for
the
last
few
years
and
think
about
what
really
works.
What
are
the
key
approaches
that
we've
used,
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
replicate
and
to
create
to
model
that
approach
for
ourselves?
K
So
we've
got
a
standard
practice
for
new
members
joining
the
team
and
then
also
so
that
others
more
widely
across
the
city
and
across
the
UK,
however,
can
learn
from
our
approach
as
well.
So
the
community-based
approach
is
about
working
as
one
city,
so,
as
I
mentioned
before
any
organization
or
department
or
team,
that's
working
with
people
that
are
more
likely
to
be
digitally
excluded
or
that
they
have
identified
as
some
people
being
digitally
excluded.
K
We
work
with
them
to
help
them
to
understand
what
digital
exclusion
looks
like
for
the
people
in
their
communities.
We
help
them
to
build
upon
their
existing
assets.
Thinking
about
what
equipment
they
already
have,
where
they
have
people
and
staff
having
conversations
with
members
of
the
community
in
a
holistic
person-centered
way.
K
Basically
recognizing
that
not
everybody
is
going
to
be
in
a
position
in
terms
of
their
role
in
work
or
volunteering,
to
be
able
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
the
person
and
support
that
there's
digital
skills
and
confidence,
but
that
everybody
in
the
city
has
a
role
to
play
in
identifying
digital
inclusion.
Digital
exclusion
sign
posting
having
those
motivational
conversations
with
that
person
sign.
K
I'm
posting
them
to
support
our
offering
the
support
themselves,
and
so
we
built
a
network
of
over
200
different
partners
that
are
delivering
digital
inclusion
interventions
that
are
custom
designed
for
the
people
that
they're
supporting
and
all
look
a
bit
different,
but
work
together
as
one
sort
of
safety
net.
As
you
will.
So.
K
Those
organizations
offering
that
support
are
offering
that
as
a
standard
part
of
their
business
as
usual,
their
everyday
practice
so,
but
that
is
there
when
people
need
it
rather
than
us
identifying
a
digital
excluded
person,
for
example,
giving
them
some
support
directly
and
then
sort
of
taking
them
off
a
list
as
included.
We
know
that
that
doesn't
work
because
people
can
be
excluded
again.
Digital
inclusion
is
not
a
set
sort
of
state,
so
we
want
that
safety
net
to
be
in
place
where
people
are
most
likely
to
need
it
and
reach
it.
K
So
the
support
that
we
offer
is
100.
Digital
leads
is
that
facilitation
as
I
mentioned,
and
also
the
building
of
the
other
organizational
capacity
third
sector
capacity,
but
also
Health
and
Care,
Partners
and
and
other
Council
departments,
as
well,
so
identifying
external
funding
opportunities
and
supporting
organizations
to
bid
for
those
and
to
successfully
receive
those
Monies
to
be
able
to
build
their
resource
in
terms
of
capacity
equipment
or
whatever
they
need
advising
and
supporting
on
at
the
development
of
that
digital
inclusion
offer.
K
We
are
the
experts
in
digital
inclusion,
exclusion
and
the
partners
that
we
work
with
are
the
experts
in
the
needs
and
the
support
needs
of
the
communities
that
they
are
working
with.
So
we
pool
our
knowledge
in
that
way
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
the
intervention
and
supporting
Partners
to
develop
their
digital
skills
and
confidence
as
well,
because
for
the
most
part,
the
organizations
that
we're
working
with
are
not
digital
organizations
and
they're,
not
organizations
that
are
hiring
their
staff
or
recruiting
volunteers
for
the
most
part
for
their
digital
confidence
and
skill.
K
They're
the
right
people
to
be
supporting
those
digital
excluded
people,
because
they
have
the
trusted
relationship
with
the
person
they
they
understand
the
person's
needs.
But
we
do
have
to
recognize
that
we
also
support
our
partners
to
develop
their
digital
skills
and
confidence
and
in
infrastructure
as
well,
and
then
farming
costs
sector
Partnerships,
so
that
everybody
is
learning
from
each
other's
approaches
and
sharing
tools
and
resource
and
then
making
sure
that
digital
inclusion
is
embedded
across
strategies.
K
So,
whenever
we're
working
with
a
different
partner,
we
we
take
a
look
at
digital
exclusion
through
the
particular
lens
that
makes
sense
to
that
partner.
Again
thinking
of
digital
as
an
enabler
for
whatever
that
partner
is
trying
to
do.
It
helps
us
we're
trying
to
do
digital
inclusion,
so
it
doesn't
matter
to
us
why
people
are
doing
it
as
long
as
they
are.
K
So
this
comes
to
just
some
headline
figures
of
what
we've
achieved
over
the
last
12
months,
so
we
have
engaged
with
and
have
on
our
Network
220
team
services
and
organizations
working
across
the
city
and
they're
all
Coming
contacts
that
we've
worked
with
in
the
last
year.
K
We
were
careful
to
go
through
and
see
if
there
was
any
that
we
couldn't
quite
call
a
career
partner,
so
that
is
up
to
date,
319
professionals,
so
that
is
people
working
predominantly
on
the
front
line
trained
in
digital
inclusion
awareness
so
that
they
can
identify
when
somebody
is
excluded,
understand
what
the
benefit
of
including
them
is
and
how
to
signpost.
K
K
That
tells
everybody
what
what
we're
doing,
but
also
all
the
stuff
that
they
can
tap
into
in
terms
of
resource
and
stuff
and
then
just
over
a
million
pounds
in
external
funding
secured
for
Community
organizations
and
partners
that
we've
worked
with
across
the
city
specifically
to
support
the
building
of
their
capacity
for
delivering
digital
inclusion
and
embedding
it
within
their
services
in
a
sustainable
way
and
then
the
final
side.
Oh,
it's
just
about
a
snapshot
just
to
demonstrate
some
of
the
scale
of
support,
that's
available
and
being
taken
up
across
the
city.
K
So
we
try
and
keep
our
requirements
for
reporting
on
organizations
as
light
as
possible,
recognizing
that
we're
working
with
hundreds
of
organizations,
mostly
on
a
mutual
beneficial
basis,
we're
not
actually
offering
them
any
money
or
payment
or
anything
like
that.
They
work
with
us
because
they
want
to
because
we
found
out.
You
know:
we've
worked
out
what
the
mutual
benefit
is,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
get
asked
a
lot
is
to
keep
the
report
in
life.
K
So
we
try
to
avoid
asking
organizations
to
tell
us
all
of
the
time
exactly
what
they're
doing
in
terms
of
digital
inclusion
and
and
just
trust
them
that
they
are
doing
it
and
that
we
taught
to
them
about
their
outcomes
and
whatnot.
So
to
be
able
to
get
these
figures,
we
surveyed
all
of
our
partners
in
the
last
sort
of
month
or
so
and
got
a
response
from
from
10
of
those
partners.
K
So
as
a
sample,
we
can
see
that
those
that
10
of
Partners
of
between
them
supported
7
000
people
directly
with
digital
inclusion.
Specifically
across
the
last
12
months,
then
2611
of
those
people
have
received
one-to-one
digital
skill
supports
just
over
2
000.
K
In
addition
to
that,
I've
had
the
skill
support
in
a
group
we've
given
out
as
a
city
just
over
2
000
SIM
cards
with
free
data,
so
that's
mostly
via
the
National
Data
Bank,
which
is
a
resource
that
FedEx
organizations
can
tap
into
to
be
able
to
get
SIM
cards
with
six
months
of
free
data
each
month
to
get
about
25
gig
of
data
plus
unlimited
calls
and
texts,
and
they
can
give
those
to
people
in
need.
K
So
as
a
cash
sum
that
we've
saved
those
people
that
are
experiencing
dates
of
poverty,
it
comes
to
quite
a
large
amount
and
then
426
people
have
borrowed
a
digital
device
to
get
online.
So
that's
value
one
of
the
various
tablet
lending
schemes
for
the
most
part
where
in
different
organizations
across
the
city,
where
people
can
borrow
a
tablet
with
connectivity
to
be
able
to
use
at
home
if
they
don't
have
a
device.
J
Thank
you
Amy.
So
that's
a
very
brief
overview.
We
have
much
more
detail
in
the
report
and
I
was
just
if
chair
is
happy
going
to
play
a
couple
of
highlights
from
the
report
that
members
may
wish
to
discuss
obviously
happy
to
take
questions
on
any
aspect
of
it,
but
as
Council
Trussell
mentioned
in
his
introduction,
there
has
been
concern
expressed
by
the
board
in
the
past
around
the
sustainability
of
the
team
and
the
funding
up
for
the
team.
J
We
have
moved
as
a
team
into
the
council's
integrated
digital
service
over
coming
up
to
two
years
ago.
Now
we
are
now
a
core
part
of
the
integrated
digital
service.
The
team
is
expanding
with
with
that
core
funding,
as
Amy
mentioned,
we
still
have
some
vacancies
that
we're
hoping
to
fill
this
week,
but
those
concerns
that
have
been
addressed
by
the
board
in
the
past
have
been
absolutely
squash.
Now
those
concerns
are
not
there
anymore.
J
We
are
also
part
of
a
wider
function,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
first
page
of
the
report
from
paragraphs
one
to
six,
where
we
have
always
in
the
past.
As
a
100
digital
leads
team
focused
on
people
and
communities
and
digital
exclusion
there.
We
are
part
now
of
a
much
bigger
team
that
will
also
be
focusing
on
digital
inclusion
and
skills
for
the
workforce.
J
That's
within
the
council,
but
also
our
colleagues
in
Health
and
Care,
and
eventually
across
the
third
sector,
so
that
pooling
of
resource
means
that
we're
able
to
take
a
much
more
rounded
view
of
the
needs
of
not
just
the
people
and
communities,
but
also
our
colleagues
within
the
council
and
our
partner
organizations
as
well.
So
in
terms
of
that
10,
potentially
temporary
nature
of
the
funding
in
the
past,
that's
been
delayed,
as
it
mentions
in
paragraphs
four
and
five
there.
Digital
inclusion
and
digital
skills
are
absolutely
key.
J
One
of
the
core
foundations
of
the
did
cities,
digital
strategy
that
was
launched
towards
the
end
of
last
year.
So
again,
as
councilor
Trussell
mentioned
in
terms
of
a
city
and
strategic
priority,
it's
written
into
the
city's
digital
strategy,
but
it's
also
written
into
many
of
the
other
strategies
that
the
council
and
the
city
has
Amy
mentioned
in
the
presentation
around
our
community-based
approach.
That's
from
paragraph
10
onwards.
Talks
about
that
in
much
more
detail.
J
We
were
commissioned
by
the
local
government
Association
to
write
and
publish
that
and
that's
been
hugely
successful
and
at
the
time
at
which
it
was
published
in
December
last
year.
There
was
a
lot
of
interest
nationally
and
there
are
some
links
within
the
report
as
to
where
that
was
referenced
and
the
publicity
that
was
generated
by
that.
J
The
report
then
goes
on
particularly
from
paragraph
22,
to
talk
about
how
digital
inclusion
is
an
enabler
for
in
infrastructure,
investment
and
inclusive
growth.
So,
absolutely
speaking
to
the
priorities
of
this
board,
and
then
we
have
examples
throughout
the
report
which
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
unless
members
want
to
ask
in
more
detail,
I'm
obviously
very
happy
to
discuss
in
more
detail.
But
we
talk
about
the
outcomes
that
we
see
for
particular
communities
of
Interest
or
particular
areas
of
work.
J
We
talk
from
paragraph
42
around
Leeds
digital
inclusion
fund
and
the
digital
ball,
which
is
something
that
happened
first
last
year
and
will
be
happening
again
this
year
on
the
11th
of
May
and
that's
bringing
in
our
colleagues
from
the
private
sector
from
the
digital
and
Tech
sector
in
the
city,
who
were
very
keen
to
do
more
to
support
digital
inclusion
as
a
policy
issue.
J
One
of
the
reasons
for
digital
exclusion
is,
if
you
have
a
long-term
health
condition,
is
if
you
have
a
learning
or
physical
disability
is
if
you
are
living
in
poverty,
which
is
also
going
to
impact
on
your
health.
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
work
ongoing
with
Partners
across
Health
and
Care,
and
there
are
some
examples
of
those
throughout
the
report
and
then,
as
we
come
to
paragraph
77.
J
But
as
Amy
mentioned
one,
the
way
in
which
we
measure
Our
Success
is
Not.
A
linear
line
through
is
someone
digitally
excluded
and
are
they
now
included
because,
from
our
perspective,
we
could
digitally
include
everyone
in
the
city,
but
if
that
doesn't
materially
change
their
lives
in
any
way?
What
was
the
point
of
that
then?
From
our
perspective,
digital
and
digital
inclusion
is
an
enabler
to
achieving
these
other
outcomes,
and
those
outcomes
might
be
increased.
Employment
increase,
improved
Health
outcomes,
it
might
be
social
connections,
as
Amy
said,
what's
meaningful
for
the
person.
J
So
the
some
of
the
projects
are
fairly
short
term,
we'll
be
happening
over
the
next
three
to
six
months.
There's
one!
That's
a
12
month
project
and
there's
one
that's
a
four-year
program
of
research
and
all
of
those
we
will
report
back
to
the
board
in
due
course,
and
that's
it.
There
has
four
appendices
that
talk
about,
particularly
our
work
with
the
library
service.
J
Examples
of
some
of
the
publicity
so
that
colleagues,
across
Health
and
Care
and
across
a
place
know
where
this
increased
digital
inclusion
support
is
and
that
they
can
signpost
their
patients
and
people
into
that.
Some
more
testimonials
from
some
of
the
organizations
and
partners
that
we
work
with,
but
you
will
have
seen
some
of
those
scattered
throughout
the
report
and
then
on
the
final
page
in
very,
very
small
writing
so
that
I
could
fit
them
all
onto
a
page.
J
Is
the
full
list
of
the
220
organizations
that
Amy
mentioned
that
we've
worked
with
in
the
last
year?
If
any
members
see
organizations
that
they
know
of
in
their
wards
that
are
not
on
this
list,
please
do
get
in
touch
and
we
would
be
very
happy
to
work
with
those
organizations
as
well.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much
Amy.
Thank
you
very
much.
Jason
I
I
hope
there
are
no
members
of
the
board
who
are
in
any
doubts
about
the
importance,
crucial
importance
of
digital
inclusion
and
addressing
digital
exclusion,
which
I
think
was
thrown
into
sharp
relief
during
the
the
Kobe
period,
which
I
think,
ironically,
accelerated
a
lot
of
improvements
in
terms
of
what
organizations
were
doing
to
to
connect
their
their
members
into
people
for
whom
they
provide
a
service.
We're
increasingly
live
in
a
digital
by
default,
Society,
so
applying
for
jobs
claiming
benefits
accessing
Services
purchasing
Goods.
A
So
much
of
it
is
now
online
and
while
other
people
are
unable
to
do
that,
inequalities
are
bound
to
bound
to
grow.
Although
I
think
we've
always
got
to
recognize,
and
we
always
have
donors
abroad
that
there
will
be
those
people
for
reasons.
You
know
that
their
legitimate
reasons
will
not
become
digitally
engaged
and
we
should
always
ensure
that
there
is
a
human
channel
for
dealing
with
their
their
access
to
the
council
in
particular.
So
Sandy,
you
indicated
that
you
wanted
to
ask
a
question.
Thank.
D
You
chair
completely
agree
should
be
no
doubt
I
think
if
this
was
a
film
review.
I
think
this
scrutiny
board
would
be
giving
these
this
team
five
stars
review.
D
It's
clearly
I
wasn't
on
this
group.
This
scrutiny
board
when
this
was
originally
raised,
but
clearly
great
stride
has
been
done
and,
as
Council
of
Trussville
says,
digital
inclusion
should
be
a
choice
and
opportunity
for
everyone.
Some
people
will
end
up,
of
course,
not
being
able
to
and
and
on
the
back
of
that
really
I
watched
the
BBC
look
North
report
last
night
as
part
of
the
preparation
of
this
and
I.
Don't
think
they
put
your
name
on
Amy
but
I.
It
was
you
I
think
on
there.
D
Wasn't
it
yeah,
and
the
last
thing
they
sort
of
indicated
was
that
there
was
a
concern
that,
because
of
the
cost
of
living
crisis,
that
there
may
be
a
move
by
some
residents
to
switch
off
their
internet
as
a
cost
saving
I
know
it's
only
two
months
ago
that
you
said
this,
but
are
you
seeing
any
evidence
of
that,
and
and
second
follow-up
question
really
for
Jason
I
suspect,
but
also
for
Amy
is
I
was
going
to
ask
what
you
thought
your
future
was
because
every
good
film
that
gets
five
stars
will
always
have
a
sequel,
so
I
was
going
to
ask,
but
then
you
did
outline
that
you
were
going
to
work
with
the
academic
researchers
this
year.
D
That's
one
stream
if
you
had
a
bottomless
pit
of
money
or
if
you
had
a
a
wish
outside
of
that.
What
would
you
like
to
see
your
team
achieve?
Thank
you
check.
K
K
It's
it's
simply
for
a
lot
of
people,
a
choice
between
spending
20
pounds
on
extending
you
know
paying
for
their
Wi-Fi
or
taking
back
up
their
Wi-Fi
contracts
when
they've
come
to
the
end
of
it
or
putting
food
on
the
table.
So
that
is
a
real
decision
that
a
lot
of
people
are
having
to
make.
We
are
working
with
Partners
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
understanding
of
the
various
social
tariffs
that
are
available
and
most
of
the
different
telecoms
companies
offer
a
sort
of
social
Terror.
K
K
But
we
are
making
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
that
and
the
organization
since
can
support,
and
also,
as
I
mentioned
before,
about
the
National
Data
Bank,
more
and
more
organizations
joining
that
to
be
able
to
get
that
free
resource
to
be
able
to
give
out
it
isn't
as
good
as
having
Wi-Fi
absolutely.
But
it's
something
for
people.
K
The
other
thing
that
we're
doing
is
working
closely
with
the
organizations
that
are
offering
the
warm
space
initiative
to
make
sure
that
it's
made
clear
that
the
their
Wi-Fi
in
the
building
and
equipment
in
the
building
is
available
to
use
in
those
times
and
also
working
with
Partners,
to
identify
where
those
people
that
are
really
struggling
financially,
engage
with
their
service
members
to
make
sure
that
digital
inclusions
conversations
are
embedded
throughout
that.
So,
for
example,
if
somebody
is
visiting
a
food
bank.
J
In
terms
of
the
more
difficult
question,
thank
you
Amy
I,
think
I
know
you
weren't
offering
as
a
bottomless
pit
counselor
like,
but
if
we
had
one
I
think
summarized
in
paragraph
five,
when
I
mentioned
the
bringing
together
of
our
team
with
the
team,
that's
largely
focusing
on
skills
for
Workforce
and
the
increased
capacity
that
we're
going
to
have
means
that
we
can
work
much
more
strategically,
not
that
we
weren't
before
we
always
have,
but
we
The
increased
capacity
and
the
fact
that
we're
part
of
the
integrated
digital
service,
which
put
together
least
digital
strategy,
means
that
we
are
working
very
much
more
closely
with
colleagues
across
strategy
and
Innovation
across
colleagues
that
are
leading
on
some
of
the
initiatives
that
you
mentioned
in
terms
of
Wi-Fi
and
connectivity.
J
It
means
that
we
can
take
a
more
holistic
view
of
the
solutions
and
that
we
can
work
at
scale.
Much
more.
So
we
are
always
very
happy
to
test
and
learn
to
try
something
small
and
see
if
it
works,
but
when
it
works.
Sometimes
it
has
been
challenging
to
scale
that
up
across
the
city
where
we
are
now
within
within
the
integrated
digital
service
will
enable
us
to
do
that
much
more
effectively.
Our
colleagues
in
strategy
and
Innovation
lead
on
funding
applications,
not
just
at
the
city
level,
but
at
the
regional
level.
J
So
we
are
working
much
more
closely
with
West
Yorkshire,
combined
Authority
and
with
with
the
integrated
care
system
at
a
regional
level
to
get
that
shared
understanding
of
how
we
would
deliver
digital
inclusion
interventions.
So
we
can
always
apply
for
funding
as
a
city.
But
often
those
pots
of
funding
are
kept
because
it's
one
city
bidding,
but
if
you're
bidding
as
a
region
and
then
able
to
articulate
how
you
will
deliver
those
interventions
across
a
region
in
a
similar
way,
then
even
bigger
funding
pots
become
available.
J
J
The
comment
at
the
beginning
around
not
everyone
will
ever
be
able
to
do
digital
and
that's
why
it
was
so
important
in
the
digital
strategy
that
we
have
digital
first,
but
not
digital,
only
written
into
that
strategy.
Digital
first,
because
in
so
many
cases
it's
cheaper.
It's
more
efficient,
it's
easier
for
people
if
and
when
they
can
do
it,
but
it
should
never
be
an
enforced
Choice
from
our
perspective.
So
digital
first,
but
not
digital,
only
is
absolutely
written
into
the
digital
strategy.
D
I
think
the
last
five
years
from
my
own
Ward
based
we've,
seen
Prince
Henry
synoptly
introduce
iPads
for
their
their
kids.
D
We've
seen
Council
buildings
open
up
and
use
and
offer
the
use
of
Wi-Fi
Etc,
but
I
think
going
back
to
that.
Bbc
look
north
piece.
They
started
with
a
young
lady
who
only
had
a
mobile
phone
as
her
device
and
I
think
our
digital
strategy,
whilst
access
to
Wi-Fi
and
high
speed
high
quality
Wi-Fi
is
important.
I
think
it's
also
important
that
we
give
people
the
tools
to
access
that
as
high
speed
as
my
internet
is.
D
A
Have
we
explored
the
money
available,
for
example,
from
Community
committees,
through
well-being
and
and
sell
and
potentially
mice
for
very
small
localized
projects,
because
the
schema,
the
the
the
100
digital
has
been
incredibly
successful
in
Levering
in
external
funding,
either
directly
or
to
partner
organizations?
But
if
members
saw
this
as
a
priority
in
their
locality
and
it's
entirely
a
decision
for
them,
of
course,
are
you
aware
of
the
existence
of
well-being,
funding
and
the
possibility
of
directing
some
of
your
partner
organizations,
especially
in
the
third
sector?
To
that.
K
Yeah,
there's
a
couple
of
organizations
or
a
few
organizations
that
have
been
successful
in
getting
well-being
monies
for
digital
inclusion.
Usually
that's
been
combined
with
housing
advisory
panel
funding
sort
of
splits
between
and
it's
mostly
been
because
we've
worked
closely
with
housing
and
we've
gone
for
the
hap
funding
and
they've
not
quite
been
able
to
fund
it
and
so
have
facilitated
the
application
to
well-being
funds
as
well,
but
I
feel
like
it's,
probably
something
that
isn't
explored
as
widely
as
it
could
be.
K
There's
always
organizations
looking
for
funding
and
there's
every
area
of
the
city
that
and
there's
organizations
that
would
like
to
do
more.
So
it
would
be
good
to
further
explore
those
opportunities.
G
Thank
you.
This
is
obviously
fantastic
work
with
it.
That's
made
such
a
difference.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
100
digital
leads
in
Crossgates
library
and
sometimes
at
winmore
library,
with
our
excellent
Library,
Vanessa
Harker
who
delivers
these
sessions
and
we've
spoke
a
lot
about
isolation
and
how
this
is
a
way
to
combat
isolation.
G
I'm
wondering
if
there's
anything
that
you've
either
found
in
the
reports
that
you've
prepared
about
this,
or
maybe
it's
anecdotal
from
people
delivering
this,
because
I
think
there's
something
that
that
comes
with
this,
especially
with
people
who
are
older
or
or
for
other
reasons,
isolated
about
scams
that
they
can
encounter
if
they're
going
to
be
online,
but
also
about
conspiracy
theories
and
about
mad
stuff
that
we
sometimes
see
on
the
internet
and
whether
there's
anything
that
happens
on
a
on
a
sort
of
city-wide
basis
about
that
or
whether
that's
something
that
needs
a
further
development.
J
J
Why
many
older
people
don't
go
online,
that
that
complete
lack
of
trust
of
the
entire
online
world
and
so
Rachel
has
worked
with
leads
older
people's
Forum
and
has
successfully
got
200
000
pounds
from
the
dcms
for
the
boss
project,
which
is
be
online,
stay
safe
and
there's
much
more
detail
from
paragraph
28
on
that
project
we
have
recently
appointed
an
additional
worker
which
again
you
will
see
through.
The
report,
is
one
of
the
aspects
of
our
model,
which
is
when
we
bring
in
external
funding.
J
Often
we
will
use
that
to
appoint
additional
workers
in
those
third
sector
organizations
supporting
inclusive
growth
and
strength
based
approach,
but
also
means
that
those
workers
in
those
third
sector
organizations
are
able
to
build
that
expertise
for
either
a
geographical
area.
They
might
be
working
across
a
local
care
partnership,
for
example,
or
for
a
particular
community
of
interests.
J
Such
as
people
with
learning
disabilities
or
older
people,
so
part
of
that
funding
is
being
used
and
has
been
used
to
appoint
a
person
who
came
from
Crossgates
good
neighbors
previously
and
is
now
leading
the
city-wide
project
and
to
also
fund
some
organizations
that
are
working,
particularly
with
older
people
from
Bama
communities
and
those
organizations
are
listed.
Health
for
all
feel
good
factor,
hamara
and
Lee's
Irish
health
and
homes.
They
are
being
funded
as
well.
J
So
it's
that
building
of
capacity
within
those
organizations
who
already
have
the
expertise
and
the
reach
to
the
communities
that
we
most
need
to
benefit
from
increased
digital
inclusion,
but
this
particular
project
18
months
to
two
years,
200
000
pounds,
funding
from
dcms
we've
also
got
some
national
Partners
who
will
be
working
with
us
on
that
as
mentors
and
advisors
and
evaluators
so
over
the
next
18
months.
Absolutely,
yes,
your
point
will
be
addressed
and
I'm
certain
that
it
will
be
a
large
chunk
of
our
report
to
this
board
next
year.
G
That's
good
to
hear,
because
I
think
something
that's
well.
I
spoke
to
a
lady
in
my
world
the
other
day
he
was.
He
was
absolutely
terrified
because
she
her
granddaughter,
had
got
her
a
tablet
and
she'd
met
and
she'd
set
her
up.
G
Her
Facebook
account
and
stuff,
like
that
and
she'd,
become
convinced
that
her
daughter,
who
lives
more
than
15
minutes
so
I
would
not
be
able
to
come
and
help
her
do
her
shopping
because
of
this,
the
content
that
she
was
Finding
there,
so
I
think
it's
probably
incumbent
on
all
of
us
who
communicate
online
with
our
constituents
and
people
who,
like
mention
the
good
neighbors
people.
G
You
know
all
of
those
groups
that
we
work
with
is
probably
incumbent
on
everybody,
who's
sort
of
working
on
this,
whether
it's
us
as
members
you
as
people,
delivering
the
service
and
to
just
have
that
in
mind
that
that
there's
probably
some
stuff
on
the
internet
that
could
scare
and
confuse
people,
and
so
it's
really
good
to
hear
that
I'll
be
part
of
this
work
going
forward.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
councilor
Lennox,
and
the
point
that
Amy
was
making
to
me
that
I
I
didn't
get
was.
Although
I
listed
those
organizations
who
were
funded
through
that
particular
project
that
will
be
for
test
and
learn
that
will
be
to
understand
and
design
the
approaches
that
are
most
effective
for
the
people
that
we're
talking
about
and
then
that
learning
will
be
shared
across
the
city
and
nationally.
J
This
project
is
one
of
only
three
or
four
I
think
that
dcms
funded
to
this
level
across
the
country,
so
it
will
absolutely
be
addressing
what
you've
said
and
just
on
your
final
point,
I
think
and
it's
a
big
feature
of
our
work
is
that
no
organization
has
to
do
everything
we.
We
can't
expect
any
organization
or
any
workers
within
those
organizations
to
have
a
full
understanding
and
a
full
range
of
all
of
the
different
barriers
and
challenges
and
so
on.
J
But
having
that
understanding
of
who's
got
a
little
bit
more
knowledge
is
a
big
part
of
our
work.
So
absolutely
members
having
that
in
their
minds,
but
not
necessarily
needing
to
know
all
of
the
solutions
but
needing
to
know
that
there's
this
organization
within
my
ward,
that
is
working
on
that
particular
project
and
I,
could
signpost
my
constituent
to
that.
To
that
place.
Yeah.
A
Yeah
I
think
the
point
is
an
incredibly
important
one.
I
mean
I
I
worked
over
25
years
with
trading
standards,
locally
trading
standards,
Institute
on
scams
and
the
Advent
and
progress
of
the
internet
has
given
these
scamsters
an
even
bigger
Dimension
to
to
their
work.
So
I
think
it's
not
just
individual
groups
that
are,
if
you
like,
subject
to
this
sort
of
approach.
I
think
we're
all
in
our
daily
lives
are
bombarded
with
with
fishing
emails
texts
and
I
think
we've
got
to
be
able
Vigilant
and
making
sure
that
people.
A
As
far
as
we're
able
to
are
aware
of
the
the
fact
that
these
are
scams,
councilor
Wilson.
I
Thanks
yeah
there's
a
really
interesting
report.
Thank
you.
I've
certainly
met
constituents,
who've
ended
their
Wi-Fi
provider
or
are
either
have
not
got
data
on
their
phones
or
are
using
it
very
sparingly,
so
I
I
can
I
definitely
anecdotally
think
that
the
current
cost
of
living
is
affecting
this.
I
Similarly,
I
was
at
a
warm
space
recently
in
my
ward,
where
a
volunteer
was
helping,
somebody
understand
their
pensions
and
and
you
helping
them,
get
access
to
pensions
advice
online
because
that
person
didn't
have
their
own
future
and
didn't
have
the
digital
literacy
to
do
it,
and
that
made
me
think
about
at
our
most
recent
Community
Committee,
we
finished
by
getting
a
load
of
groups
from
the
area
to
agree
to
do
collective
training
so
for
their
volunteers,
on
a
variety
of
things
like
safeguarding
and
Mental,
Health,
Training
and
Food
hygiene
safety,
and
all
of
that
kind
of
thing.
I
If
they
were
if
groups
Community
groups
are
interested
in
getting
digital
exclusion,
training
or
training
on
how
to
support
people.
Is
that
something
that
your
team
can
help
with
and
there's
one
question
I
see
from
some
nods
that
maybe
it's
a
positive
excellent.
I
The
other
one
is
just
about
police,
specifically,
so
I
see
that
you've
been
working
with
health
services
and
so
on.
Have
you
done
any
any
work
with
the
police
to
help
them
simplify
their
online
services
and
in
particular
around
because
I
think
helping
people
access?
Services
is
really
important,
but
also
trying
to
make
Services
less
complex
and
where
they
don't
need
to
be
online,
not
not
only
having
them
online.
I
So,
for
example,
reporting
a
crime
I
think
is
often
would
be
better
done
over
by
by
text
or
on
WhatsApp
or
something
than
on
using
a
kind
of
cumbersome
online
form.
So
I'm
just
really
interested
in
whether
we're
able
to
work
with
police
at
our
West
Yorkshire
level
to
try
and
simplify
their
reporting.
I
I
would
love
it
if
people
could,
when
they're
out
and
about
if
they
see
something
going
wrong
or
able
to
simply
just
to
text
a
number
and
describe
what's
happening
rather
than
having
to
find
the
correct
reporting
form
online,
fill
it
all
in
and
so
on
so
I
know,
that's
not
in
your
I
know.
You
have
no
control
over
that.
But
are
you
able
and
are
you
working
with
other
Public
public
services
to
try
and
get
them
to
simplify
and
yeah,
provide
a
kind
of
non
online
form
option
where
possible.
K
So,
thank
you.
I'll
respond
to
the
training
side
of
the
question,
so
yeah
we're
absolutely
happy
to
go
out
and
deliver
digital
inclusion,
awareness,
training
with
any
organization
and
and
we're
keen
to
do
that
because,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
presentation,
that
is
a
two-way
process.
So
we
use
those
opportunities
to
really
understand
what
digital
exclusion
looks
like
in
your
particular
area,
or
you
know
for
a
particular
community
of
Interest
as
well.
So
we'd
be
really
Keen
to
do
that
in
this
part
of
that
as
well.
J
And
in
terms
of
the
police,
no
is
the
very
short
answer.
The
longer
answer
is,
but
that's
a
really
interesting
issue
and
we've
certainly
got
very
good
contacts
at
the
combined
Authority
that
we
could
reach
out
to
and
and
see
what's
happening,
because
my
feeling
is
nothing
because
I
I
think
we
would
have
heard
about
it
if
it
was
so,
we
can
absolutely
start
those
discussions
and
I
think
it
comes
back
to
the
point
that
Amy
made
earlier
we've
been.
J
Our
team
has
been
in
place
since
2018
and
I'd
like
to
think
we've
been
doing
some
good
work,
but
digital
exclusion
in
the
digital
landscape
changes
so
quickly
that
there
are
always
policy
issues
that
come
along
or
communities
of
Interest
or
barriers
that
come
up
that
we
haven't
addressed
before
and
areas
and
colleagues
that
we
haven't
spoken
to
before.
And
so
that's
a
really
interesting
one.
We
would
always
say
yes,
we
can
absolutely
investigate
that
and
and
see
if
we
can
tackle
it.
So,
yes,
we
will
absolutely
report
back
on
that
next
year
or
sooner.
I
Thank
you
and
if
you
would
like
any
suggestions
on
trials
for
test
and
learn
to
work
with
on
the
police,
I've
definitely
got
a
couple
of
scenarios
in
mind
that
I'd
be
very
happy
to
suggest
as
well.
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
both
really
both
answers
gratefully
received.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
sir
I
just
wanted
to
raise
a
point
on
page
22,
paragraph
67
on
the
Leeds
teaching,
hospitals,
trust
and
the
partnership
which
is
described
between
that
and
the
100
digital
team.
D
How
does
that
work
financially?
Do
we
charge
the
teaching
hospitals
a
fee
or
what
happens
there.
J
No,
it's
the
short
answer
it
all
of
the
work
that
we
do.
We
don't
charge
anyone
for
any
of
it.
The
way
that
we
do
it
is
that
we
try
and
find
those
shared
outcomes
and
priorities
on
the
basis
that
that
will
save
all
of
us
money
eventually
in
the
long
run
so
from
a
teaching
Hospital's
perspective
when
they,
for
example,
the
first
Power
first
bullet
point
at
68
when
they
launched
their
patient
hub,
which
is
this
new
platform,
so
that
patients
can
engage
with
the
hospital
they
can
change
their
appointment.
J
They
can
check
their
appointment,
they
can
book
and
so
on
and
so
forth
that
if
every
patient
was
using,
that
and
I'm
sure
EV
we
won't
get
to
that
point.
But
if
every
patient
was
that
would
save
the
hospital
money.
So,
from
their
perspective,
that's
a
good
thing.
It
will
also
be
more
convenient
for
the
patient.
They
can
not
have
to
be
half
an
hour
on
waiting
on
a
telephone
line
or
going
for
a
visit
in
the
rain
and
getting
two
buses
there
and
back
so
from
the
lthd's
perspective
from
the
teaching
hospitals
perspective.
J
That's
a
very
direct
outcome
that
they
would
like
to
see
more
people
using
that
from
our
perspective,
if
people,
if
that's
a
driver
for
people,
if
that's
a
motivator,
the
digital
skills
that
they
would
develop
and
the
confidence
that
that
they
would
develop
by
using
that
one
particular
tool
can
then
be
applied
across
a
range
of
other
tools.
So
coming
back
to
social
isolation,
coming
back
to
more
confidence
it
to
be
able
to
do
other
things
online.
So
it's
that
Mutual
benefit.
J
From
our
perspective,
we
will
give
our
time
for
free
to
support
teams
at
the
teaching,
hospitals
or
any
other
organization,
and
they
will
give
their
time
for
free,
because
it's
achieving
our
shared
priorities
as
a
city
rather
than
as
an
individual
organization
or
team.
It's
for
the
it
sounds
tracked,
but
it's
for
the
greater
good
everybody
benefits
as
more
people
come
online
and
become
more
confident
to
interact
with
a
whole
range
of
services.
D
Well,
it
has,
but
just
it
just
struck
me
that
an
organization
costing
152
billion
with
1.4
million
employees,
whether
it
shouldn't
make
a
contribution
to
leads
which
is
under
some
financial
decision
soon.
Okay,.
J
We
have
had
on
a
broader
scale,
on
a
bigger
scale.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
looking
at
the
bigger
picture,
we
have
had
a
large
amount
of
funding
from
The
Wider
NHS,
so
not
necessarily
specifically
from
the
teaching
hospitals
trust,
but
we
have
had
money
from
the
NHS
to
fund
an
additional
worker
to
focus
specifically
on
people
with
learning
disabilities
and
autistic
people.
We've
had
200
000
pounds
more
recently
to
focus
on
our
digital
health
program,
which
is
reducing
Health
inequalities
in
the
more
deprived
Wards
in
the
city.
A
I
think
the
the
other
side
to
the
coin
and
I
think
Jason
has
touched
on
this-
is
that
this
is
a
partnership
and
if
you
start
charging
Partners,
they
not
quite
Partners,
there's
a
kind
of
purchaser
and
provider
split,
and
maybe
that
changes
the
relationship.
I
was
interested
in
Neil
that
you,
you
characterized
local
governments
and
leads,
has
been
strapped
for
cash,
which,
of
course,
we
all
know
is
the
case,
but
to
suggest
that
the
NHS
is
somehow
less
strapped
for
cash.
A
I
think
is
something
that
we
could
debate
for
a
very
long
time,
but
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that
debate,
and
it's
not
part
of
a
part
of
our
remit.
I
think
the
important
thing
is
that
100
digital
Jason
Amy
and
their
colleagues
are
acting
as
a
catalyst
right
across
the
piece
in
the
public
sector,
the
third
sector
and
elsewhere
to
generate
you
know
to
punch
way
way
above
their
weight
with
this
sort
of
Partnerships
that
they've
forged
Council
Alderson.
C
C
C
C
Within
the
presentation
you
mentioned
that
you
work
with
a
number
of
Partners
I
just
wondered
if
those
Partners
include
what
we
would
consider
the
High
Street
Banks
and
if
so,
what
level
of
Engagement
exists
to
assist
to
assist
those
who
may
be
seen
as
the
people
who
will
struggle
with
online
banking
in
the
event
of
these
branches?
Closing
and
I
know
that
it
may
be
particularly
hard
because
of
you
know.
C
J
Sorry,
we
were
just
conferring
before
I
put
my
microphone
on
to
answer
the
question
so
you're,
absolutely
right.
That
is
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
face
as
more
services
Move
online.
In
some
sectors.
That
means
fewer
services
available
on
the
High
Street
in
terms
of
face-to-face
in
terms
of
banking.
We
have
worked
in
the
past
with
Halifax
Barclays
and
Lloyds
to
greater
or
lesser
extent.
J
It's
always
at
the
for
the
reasons
that
you
mentioned.
It's
always
at
the
kind
of
universal
level,
rather
than
targeting
particular
customers
of
particular
branches
that
are
going
to
close
because
of
you
know,
data
protection
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
what
that
what
those
offers
have
looked
like
has
been
in
terms
of
the
bank
staff
volunteering
to
come
and
deliver
face-to-face
sessions
in
person
in
community
organizations.
J
It's
been
webinars
Barclays,
for
example,
have
a
digital
Eagles
program
that
we've
taken
advantage
of,
where
it's
not
aimed
directly
at
the
citizen
or
the
person
who
may
be
losing
their
banking
facilities,
but
we've
organized
it
so
that
colleagues
across
third
sector
are
able
to
take
advantage
of
that
training
usually
delivered
online.
But
then
those
the
sector
organizations
have
a
much
stronger
understanding
of
digital
and
financial
together,
one
of
our
Community
organizations.
Again,
we've
mentioned
them
already,
but
Crossgates
good
neighbors
scheme.
J
They
were
involved
in
a
big
financial
literacy
program
that
was
funded,
I
want
to
say
by
MasterCard
I
think,
but
it
was
around
Financial
inclusion
and
digital
inclusion
and
again
that
learning
and
those
resources
that
came
out
of
that
program
were
shared
across
our
third
sector
organizations
so
and
Lloyds
Bank,
finally,
are
the
nationally.
J
K
So
it's
not
something
we've
done
directly
around
banking,
but
I
was
just
thinking
about
a
piece
of
work
that
colleague
Rachel
did
in
and
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
small
town.
So
apologies,
you
might
remember
anyway,
it
was
very
recently.
K
My
memory
is
just
very
poor
where
their
local
GP
practice
was
closing,
and
so
they
did
a
piece
of
work
with
the
local
neighborhood
networks,
with
an
organization
that
was
offering
Volunteers
in
their
in
a
lot
local
community
space
to
really
do
a
push
around
supporting
local
people
to
be
able
to
access
digital
tools
and
services
to
be
able
to
facilitate
Health
participation,
so
like
NHS,
app
and
stuff
like
that,
so
that
they
would
be
able
to
use
that
to
help
them
in
the
event
that
their
practice
has
closed.
K
So
I
think
that
we
could
take
a
similar
approach,
looking
at
just
applying
that
to
banking
to
do
some
work
in
that
area
with
some
of
the
volunteers.
K
Looking
at
how
we
support
people
to
access
online
banking
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
all
probably
take
for
granted,
because
I
can't
remember
the
last
time
I
actually
went
into
a
bank
and
I've
probably
got
a
lot
more
control
over
my
money
and
finances,
but
having
the
app
than
people
that
are
relying
on
their
local
bank,
whether
they
have
one
or
not
so
yeah.
That's
something
that
we
could.
We
could
do
offset
of
my
head.
I
think
that
would
be
a
positive
piece
of
work.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
really
useful
information.
I
I
was
thinking
whether
there
was
something
that
could
be
done
with
the
third
sector.
Neighborhood
networks
I
think
you've
answered
that
for
me,
I
guess
what
I
was
what
I
was
thinking
as,
as
you
were
answering
that
is
I
guess,
although
it
may
seem
like
it
happens,
quite
a
lot
and
I
would
imagine
local
branches
of
Banks
and
GPS.
C
Don't
close
all
that
often
so
I
was
wondering
if
there's
any
score
with
you
know
the
increase
in
investment
and
and
more
people
coming
into
our
team,
whether
they
can
be
more
of
a
proactive
approach
to.
If
you
are
aware
that
a
bank
is
closed
and
then
you
can
Target
those
bird
sector
organizations,
because
if
they
are
trained
once
and
a
bank
doesn't
close
for
three
years,
those
skills
could
stagnate
same
with
GP
practice.
C
So
I
was
wondering
if
there
could
be
a
more
proactive
approach,
not
necessarily
for
banking,
because
you
mentioned
GPS
just
general
infrastructure
and
it
would
be
a
a
positive
move.
I
think
thank
you.
K
Oh
sorry,
I
just
to
respond
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
yeah
I
think
we
so
the
the
example
from
the
GPU
practice
was
in
response
to
the
closure
of
the
practice
and
utilizing
some
of
those
practice
staff
to
ready
those
patients,
people
with
the
skills
they
might
need
before.
The
practice
is
closed.
So
it
would
be
really
good
to
take
that
targeted
approach
when
other
branches
were
closing
and
stuff.
K
J
Particularly
on
your
on
your
last
Point
Kessler,
which
is
over
the
next,
it
doesn't
feature
in
the
report
because
we
haven't
had
the
money
yet
so
it
will
be
in
the
next
report,
but
over
the
next
two
years
we
get,
the
percentage
of
lead
team
will
be
getting
around
400
000
pounds
from
the
UK
share
Prosperity
fund,
and
the
focus
of
that
work
for
us
is
absolutely
around
Financial
inclusion,
which
again
is
something
that
we've
touched
on
in
the
past
working,
particularly
with
low-income
families
and
so
on.
But
again
because
of
our
capacity.
J
It's
been
one
strand
of
work,
rather
than
one
of
our
priority
focuses
of
work,
and
so
with
this
additional
investment
from
UK
share.
Prosperity
Our
intention
is,
amongst
other
things,
to
appoint
an
officer
for
two
years,
who
will
focus
specifically
on
digital
inclusion
and
financial
inclusion,
and
that
will
have
a
city-wide
remix
and
it
will
be
based
within
a
third
texture
organization
that
has
the
infrastructure
in
the
background
and
the
understanding
of
debt
and
poverty
and
financial
exclusion
for
some
of
our
communities
across
the
city
So
within
the
two
years
of
that
work.
C
So
yeah
it's
coming
one
time.
No!
Thank
you
really
positive
and
I
think
it
just
it's
good
to
know
that
you
are
looking
to
prioritize
that
strand
of
work,
because
I
think
it
was
a
counselor
Lennox
mentioned.
You
know,
with
the
with
the
amount
of
artificial
intelligence
and
online
scams.
I
do
think
Banking
online
banking
should
be
a
priority
to
make
sure
people
make
sure
people
are
aware
and
comfortable
with
their
online
banking
services.
Thank
you.
A
But
I
think
we
ought
to
be
careful,
not
letting
affluent
Financial
organizations
like
Banks
off
the
hook
so
easily
when
they
decide
to
close
branches
and
therefore
reduce
people's
access
to
a
physical
service.
A
And
it's
not
just
the
fact
that
people
who
maybe
aren't
confident
of
using
online
banking,
but
it's
job
losses
and
the
effect
that
that
can
have
on
the
local
community,
so
I
think
we
just
don't
cave
in
and
that
we
continue
to
point
the
finger
at
the
fact
that
they
are
not
providing
a
service
by
withdrawing
from
the
community
and
I
end
on
this.
A
This
thought
in
terms
of
North
West
Leeds
I,
wonder
why
Skipton
Building
Society
is
able
to
have
branches
in
geisley
and
a
couple
of
miles
away
in
Yeadon,
and
yet
other
financial
institutions
don't
find
it
possible
to
have
that
sort
of
physical
and
personal
presence
in
the
community.
I'll
leave
it
there.
Councilor
Foster.
E
Yes,
when
I
went
through
the
report,
there
was
someone
that
jumped
out
at
me
because
it's
something
that
I
come
across
quite
often,
and
it
relates
to
it's
the
older
paper
element
and
it's
chapter
or
paragraph
32.,
and
in
that
you
really.
You
refer
to
the
the
taxi
and
the
bus
apps
and
about
the
delivery
Partners.
The
number
of
delivery
Partners
you've
got
rolling
that
out
for
you,
I
live
in
an
outlying
Community.
We've
got
what
we
would
consider
very
poor
public
connection,
public
transport
connections.
E
A
lot
of
our
buses
are
our
hourly
services.
So
we
have
a
number
of
people
and
I've
I've
I've
had
complaints
from
quite
a
few
people
where
they
don't
use
the
apps.
They
don't
use
their
laptops
at
home.
They
simply
go
by
the
bus
timetable.
They
go
and
wait
for
a
bus
and
the
bus
doesn't
turn
up
and
it's
been
canceled,
and
then
they
have
to
stand
there
for
another
hour
before
the
bus
will
actually
turn
up.
We've
had
instances
where
they've
had
two
canceled
on
the
trial.
E
So
when
I
look
at
you
know
some
of
the
delivery
partners
that
you've
got.
You
know
Morley
and
Cross
Gates
holbeck.
These
are
areas
for
me
that
have
pretty
good
public
transport
networks,
they're
all
connected
to
the
cob
bus
Network.
E
J
Thank
you.
There
are
other
partners
involved
in
that
work
that
weren't
listed
on
there
and
one
of
them
I
know
for
a
fact,
is
first
bus,
and
so
the
learning
that
will
come
out
of
that
will
absolutely
be
shared,
not
just
across
the
city
but
across
the
region.
You
may
well
have
seen
I
know
it's
one
of
the
priorities
for
Tracy
barabian
as
mayor
of
West
Yorkshire.
This
whole
idea
of
the
ghost
buses
that
are
on
the
site.
J
You
know
you
rock
up
to
the
bus,
stop
and
yes
it'll,
be
here
in
15
minutes
and
then
10
and
5,
and
then
it
just
disappears
so
I
know
not
just
at
a
city
but
a
regional,
a
combined
Authority
level.
This
is
absolutely
a
priority.
It's
also
a
priority
for
not
just
older
people,
although
this
is
where
it's
mentioned
in
this
report,
but
our
colleague
Nikki,
who
specializes
in
digital
inclusion
for
people
with
learning
disabilities
and
autistic
people,
is
it
transport,
accessible,
transport
and
travel
is
a
huge
challenge
for
those
communities
as
well.
J
Although
there
are
some
delivery,
Partners
listed
there,
all
of
that
learning
will
go
back
into
our
older
people's
digital
inclusion
Network,
which
has
around
50
organizations
on
so
that
has
got
representation
from
across
the
city,
but
will
also
be
shared
with
other
communities
of
interest
for
whom
this
is
an
absolutely
massive
challenge.
People
with
physical
disabilities
as
well
mentioned
learning
disabilities
for
people
with
physical
disabilities.
J
Accessible
transport
is
a
huge
Challenge
and
it
just
decreases
people's
Independence
if
they
don't
have
trust
in
that
public
transport,
network
and
infrastructure,
and
if
digital
inclusion
and
apps
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
just
help
people
to
be
more
independent
again
what
we
were
saying
right
back
at
the
beginning.
Those
are
the
outcomes
that
we
want
to
see.
The
fact
that
someone's
got
an
app
and
is
more
digitally
included
is
a
means
to
an
end
and
an
enabler.
J
E
E
Yeah
I'm
literally
talking
about
the
geographical
mapping
of
where
schemes
have
been
rolled
out.
You
know
how
will
you
know
whether
the
people
in
Ireland
Robin
Hood,
you
know,
have
been
that
area
has
been
covered
and
you've
you've
done
everything
necessary
to
make
sure
all
the
right
people
have
received
the
briefing.
J
J
But
yes,
essentially,
we
have
lists
and
we
have
boards
and
we
have
all
kinds
of
intelligence
and
data
that
sits
behind
the
scenes,
rather
than
it
being
publicly
available,
so
that
any
member
could
just
click
a
button
and
check
which
organization
in
there
in
their
Ward
is
or
isn't
involved
in
a
particular
strand
of
work.
But
if
members
would
find
that
helpful,
that
might
well
be
something
that
we
should
be
doing
over
the
next
12
months.
E
Yeah,
for
my
benefit,
that's
exactly
the
sort
of
information
I'm
looking
for
so
I,
don't
know
about
anybody
else,
but
you
know
you
know
the
world
now
be
very
good
to
get
in
that
kind
of
detail.
I.
J
Mentioned
mentioned
earlier
that
we
are
now
part
of
the
integrated
digital
service
and
have
colleagues
that
we
can
call
on
who
are
working
on
specific
aspects.
One
of
the
things
that
the
integrated
digital
service
is
doing
is
is
building
an
office
of
data
analytics,
which
will
be
pulling
data
from
a
whole
range
of
sources
to
improve
again
to
improve
outcomes
for
people,
and
that
will
be
data
from
across
Health
from
across
Council
from
across
Community
organizations
and
so
on
and
so
on.
A
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
Jason,
that
in
one
of
the
appendix
of
your
report
or
your
joint
report,
there
is
a
very
lengthy
list
of
organizations
with
which
you've
engaged
over
the
last
year
and
I'm
sure
that
if
you
were
talking
about
organizations
engaged
over
a
longer
period,
the
list
would
be
even
longer.
I
mean
I
know
from
my
own
experience
as
a
ward
member,
that's
100.
A
Digital
are
very
good
at
proactively
engaging
with
organizations
such
as
neighborhood
networks,
but
whether
you
can
identify
areas
and
then
Target
them
I
think
is
is
is
quite
a
challenge,
but
nevertheless
one
that
I
think
we
all
as
Ward
members
would
would
welcome
if
it
were
possible.
Councilor
Hamilton.
F
Right,
thank
you,
chair
just
going
back
on
to
transport,
but
that
wasn't
one
of
my
questions
really
with
regards
to
Truck
transport,
public
transport,
we're
always
focusing
on
on
the
elders
and
people
with
disabilities,
etc,
etc.
We
must
also
remember
our
young
people.
They
are
affected,
also
they're,
going
to
school
work.
College
Etc,
you
know,
so
the
focus
is
always
for
the
older
and
think
of
the
younger
ends
also
because
now
they
are
all
as
soon
as
they
get
to
1617
wanting
to
learn
to
drive.
F
The
only
people
you're
working
with
are
there
others,
because
within
my
ward,
I
can't
see
meanwood
Institute.
Obviously
they
haven't
got
any
internet
at
this
moment.
I,
don't
think,
and
there's
Trinity
Hall,
that's
not
down
here.
I
can't
see
the
Leeds
West,
Indian,
Center
and
I
can't
see
meanwood
Community
Center.
However,
even
though
it's
not
in
my
ward
but
the
residents,
my
resident
constituents
use
it.
So
are
you
able
to
contact
them?
F
Is
this
ongoing?
So
this
list
is
not
exhausted.
J
It
is
as
exhaustive
as
we
could
make
it
based
on
essentially
the
memory
of
my
team,
so
but
it's
only
a
snapshot,
so
this
is
only
the
organizations
that
we've
worked
with
in
the
last
year.
So
if
we
worked
with
an
organization,
maybe
two
years
ago
and
they're
kind
of
okay,
now
from
a
digital
inclusion
perspective,
they
haven't
got
any
additional
needs.
They
haven't
come
back
to
us
to
say:
can
we
do
more?
They
won't
be
on
this
list,
but
of
the
organizations
that
you
mentioned
unless
Amy
corrects
me,
which
is
always
welcome
to
do.
K
J
Meanwood
Community
Center
I'm
being
told,
was
on
the
list,
but
we
thought
we
hadn't
really
done
very
much
with
them
over
the
last
year,
so
we
took
them
off
the
list.
We
think
that
might
have
been
more
historical
but
the
other
organizations
absolutely
not.
But
in
terms
of
directly
to
your
question
and
for
any
of
the
members.
If
there
are
organizations
within
your
areas
that
you
think,
why
are
they
not
on
this
list?
J
It
will
only
have
been
as
a
result
of
our
capacity
and
we
will
be
very
happy
to
work
with
them
because
our
capacity
is
increasing
now.
So
if
any
member
would
like
to
get
in
touch
with
lists
of
organizations
or
one
organization
that
a
member
thinks
would
benefit
from
increased
digital
inclusion
and
contact
with
100
digital
leads
team
we'd
be
very,
very
happy
to
talk
to
them,
but
Amy
I
think
might
have
something
to
add.
K
I
was
just
gonna,
say
yeah.
We
would
absolutely
be
really
happy
to
talk
to
organizations,
especially
if
they're
supporting
you
know,
members
of
the
community
and
well
used
and
we'd
welcome
a
warm
introduction
as
well.
If
you,
if
you
want
to
directly
connect
us
with
the
right
person
and
share
your
thoughts
on
why
it
would
be
beneficial
for
those
organizations
to
work
with
us.
K
But
I
also
thought
that
it
was
worth
mentioning
that
there's
a
a
piece
in
the
report
about
the
digital
Health
hubs,
Network
we're
all
out
working
with
the
local
care
Partnerships
and
over
the
last
year
we
have
developed
local
digital
health
of
networks,
so
trusted
places
in
communities
where
there's
sort
of
community
hubs,
where
we've
really
worked
with
them
to
build
their
digital
inclusion
infrastructure
and
then
layer
on
that
additional
support
within
the
organization
for
health
participation
in
particular,
because
it's
NHS
money.
K
K
Think
it
is
local
care
Partnerships
over
the
next
two
years,
so
that
is
an
opportunity
where
we'll
be
working
across
the
city
in
a
place-based
way
to
really
look
at
local
care
partnership
Footprints
as
an
area
and
think
which
of
the
organizations
that
we
would
like
to
Target
and
engage
to
be
able
to
develop
that
digital
inclusion.
K
So,
whilst
we've
worked
all
over
this
city,
I
think
over
the
next
two
years,
we
will
see
that
we'll
be
going
across
all
of
the
different
neighborhoods
and
looking
at
where
there
are
gaps
and
where
those
steps
need
to
be
filled.
Basically,
especially
at
a
community
center
type.
Somebody
can
walk
through
the
door
for
support
type
level.
A
Then
if
they
could
provide
you
with
a
contact,
number
and
or
email
address.
You
will
contact
that
organization
to
see
if
they
wish
to
engage
with
you
around
the
issue
of
digital
inclusion,
because
there
may
be
some
that
don't
have
the
the
the
the
capacity
or
the
the
willingness
to
do
so
I
mean.
Would
that
be
a
feasible
exercise
for
you
to
undertake
I
see
you
nodding?
A
H
Thanks
chair
just
one
quick
comment
from
me:
it's
not
my
first
year
on
this
scrutiny,
so
I
appreciate
how
much
hard
work's
gone
into
this
and
Well
Done
I
sit
on
the
West,
Yorkshire
police
and
crime
panel
and
I
know
that
cybercrime
online
cyber
crime
is
monthly
on
the
increase,
so
I
very
much
welcome
the
boss
initiative
and
the
work
you've
done
surrounding
that.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
we'll
take
that
as
a
comment,
any
more
comments
or
questions,
if
not
I
will
on
your
on
behalf
of
the
board.
Thank
Amy
thank
Jason
for
the
presentation
for
their
responses
to
our
our
questions
and
you
are
free
to
go
I.
Think
on
this
item.
In
addition
to
the
recommendations
contained
within
the
report,
I
think
there
are
two
areas,
maybe
that
we
would
want
to
highlight
in
the
minutes.
A
One
is
the
proactive
exploration
of
council
sources
of
funding,
for
example
through
Community
committees,
to
expand
the
work
within
the
community
and
also
the
issue
relating
to
what
councilor
Hamilton
raised
and
sharing
the
information
about
those
organizations
with
whom
100
digital
are
working,
but
to
Canvas
any
member
comments
or
suggestions
about
other
organizations
in
their
award
that
you
might
engage
with.
But
once
again
thanks
very
much
for
your
attendance
and
may
you
go
forth
and
continue
to
prospect.
A
Okay,
we're
just
waiting
for
Jonathan
to
make
his
way
to
the
top
table
or
side
table
if
you
so
wishes.
A
A
As
I
indicated
previously,
we
found
an
apology
from
Council
Hayden,
whose
portfolio
covers
this
particular
issue,
just
be
by
the
way,
a
very
brief
introduction.
We
are
charged
by
the
council
each
year
to
look
at
the
flood
risk
management
plan,
and
it's
always,
although
we
don't
commission
that
report
actively,
it's
always
a
very
informative
session
that
we
have,
particularly
when
we've
had
major
incidents
of
flooding,
which
there
have
been
a
number
over,
certainly
my
period
as
chair
of
this
board,
so
without
any
further
Ado
Jonathan.
B
Yeah
good
or
just
about
good
morning,
everybody,
so
I'm,
Jonathan,
moxon,
executive
manager
for
blood
risk
and
climate
resilience,
as
councilor
trusswell
says
we
we
come
here
every
year
to
provide
an
overview,
and
we
have
been
here
for
other
sort
of
more
specific
environmental
issues,
around
water
quality,
on
Rivers
and
related
activities.
But
this
is
an
annual
update
to
try
and
provide
a
bit
of
insight
into
the
work
that
we
do
on
an
annual
basis,
so
I'm
going
to
cover
the
sort
of
statutory
functions
that
we
do.
B
One
of
those
statutory
functions
is
to
provide
us
a
strategy
so
how
we
will
manage
flood
risk
across
the
city.
We
will
be
due
to
refresh
that
strategy
next
year.
Work
will
start
on
that
later
this
year
and
we
did
update
in
2018,
but
we
didn't
do
a
full
rewrite.
So
that's
quite
a
significant
undertaking.
B
Next
year,
there
are
some
other
statutory
functions
that
we
provide
for
planning,
Asset,
Management,
Incident
Management,
so
I'll
cover
those
they're
covered
in
a
bit
more
detail
in
the
report,
but
I
touch
on
them
in
the
slides
and
then
I'm
going
to
try
and
touch
on
some
of
the
schemes
or
the
interventions
that
we've
done
around
the
city
where
we've
spent
our
own
money,
but
also
significant
external
funding
from
the
environment
agency,
combined
Authority
and
private
contributions
through
the
planning
system
to
to
implement
schemes.
B
B
So
this
this
first
slide
I
suppose
just
covers
what
I've
just
said.
So
this
is
this.
Is
our
annual
update
there's
a
couple
of
pictures
there
that
people
will
no
doubt
remember
from
boxing
day
or
just
after
Boxing,
Day
2015
and
that's
supposed
to
be
kirkstall
road,
but
it
clearly
looks
like
a
river
and
it's
actually
quite
difficult
to
decipher
where
the
river
is
on
the
picture
on
the
right,
but
that's
actually
kirkstall
Bridge,
so
you've
got
the
bridge
in
pretty
much
slap
bang
in
the
middle
of
the
picture.
B
I
haven't
got
a
picture
of
current
progress
there,
but
we
are
on
site-
and
we
have
been
for
a
few
months
at
kirkstall
Bridge
in
and
providing
quite
a
comprehensive
flip
scheme
through
that
section,
and
so
hopefully,
if
we
got
a
flood
of
that
scale
again
in
future,
the
city
would
actually
be
protected
against
that
going
forward.
B
Zooming
right
out
this,
this
is
slightly
I.
Suppose
it's
supposed
to
paint
a
picture
of
what
climate
change
is
doing
to
the
world
and
Leeds
is
clearly
affected,
like
every
other
city
in
the
UK.
But
flooding
is
the
key
climate
risk
to
Leeds
as
a
city.
B
Part
of
my
work
now
does
does
look
at
climate
resilience
in
general,
so
heat
and
other
severe
weather
incidents,
but
flooding
does
Remain
the
sort
of
biggest
economic
and
social
impact
that
we
will
face
for
climate
change
in
effect.
In
a
nutshell,
this
only
shows
the
last
40
years
or
35
years
of
those,
but
the
blue
bit
of
the
bar
hydrological
events,
which
would
be
flooding
and
the
green
lines
are
a
sort
of
meteorological
events
which
would
be
storms
so
not
necessarily
that
they
would
produce
an
impact.
B
It's
just
that
they
are
becoming
more
frequent,
but
certainly
the
frequency
and
severity
of
blood
in
events
is
it's
very
safe
to
say
that
they
are
but
could
be
more
frequent
and
more
extreme
and
the
work
that
we
do
has
to
try
and
deal
with
that
in
the
present
day,
but
obviously
build
the
infrastructure.
That's
resilient.
B
For
the
future
as
well
and
how
we
adapt
over
time
to
the
impacts
of
climate
change
and
I've
touched
on
that
a
little
bit
later
in
the
slides
next
one,
please
so
coming
back
to
this
like
day
job.
B
What
we
do
is
report
annually
on
sort
of
a
number
of
incidents
that
we
manage
for
the
city
2022
head
into
the
first
part
of
this
year,
has
been
relatively
kind
to
us
and
I
think
that's
allowed
us
to
get
on
with
a
lot
more
proactive
work,
but
we
we
do
deal
with
the
reactive
nature
of
flooding,
so
rainfall
does
dictate
what
happens
in
flood
risk
management
and
that
that
can
affect
the
revenue
money
that
we
spend
on
maintenance
activities.
B
But
clearly
it
affects
a
lot
of
the
contact
that
we
have
with
your
constituents
and
and
the
people
in
communities
around
the
city.
We
have
a
team,
that's
very
directly
Linked
In
to
people
that
are
affected
by
flooding,
but
quite
often
it's
infrastructure
impacts
as
well.
So
we
get
a
lot
of
incidences
where
we've
got
access
routes,
roads
and
the
infrastructure
that
the
city
needs
to
function
are
affected
by
flooding.
So
it's
not
just
properties
the
squiggly
sort
of
orange
line.
B
On
the
left
hand,
side
there
is
a
long-term
average
rainfall
for
the
East
and
Northeast
of
England,
and
then
the
blue
sort
of
bars
our
leads
average.
So
we
have
a
system
called
maparin,
so
we
get
quite
detailed,
historic
and
forecast
rainfall
data
that
we
use
to
sort
of
plan,
our
activities
and
the
one
on
the
right.
The
picture
on
the
right
there
is
a
sort
of
layout
of
incidents
and
incidents
can
fall
into
10
categories.
B
For
us,
everything
from
internal
flooding,
residential
property
business
has
affected,
are
high
wave
affected,
or
it's
just
flooding
of
an
area,
but
not
directly
incident
that
affects
a
particular
property,
but
we
capture
all
of
those
in
those
numbers,
clearly
a
category
that
affects
an
internal
property
where
people
are
out
of
their
homes
for
six
to
nine
months,
probably
more.
You
know
that
they,
they
take
a
lot
more
investigation
time
and
they
take
a
lot
more
of
our
time,
but
they're
all
represented
in
in
single
numbers
here.
B
So
it
doesn't
quite
tell
the
full
picture,
but
it
was
just
to
give
you
an
indication.
Next
one
please
thank
you.
This
is
a
lot
a
lot
of
what
we
do.
We
use
Geographic
mapping
to
plan
plot
that
work
and
we
gather
as
much
data
as
we
can,
because
it
helps
us
to
paint
a
picture
of
the
risk
and
it
helps
us
to
paint
a
picture
of
the
case
we
need
to
make
when
we
go
for
funding
to
try
and
provide
Solutions.
B
So
this
is
a
picture
of
sort
of
the
triangles
are
the
full
year
of
incidents,
and
you
can
see
that
by
and
large
there
is
just
a
very
widespread
geographic
representation
of
incidents.
So
we
get
a
lot
of
surface
water
flooded.
Incidents
that
are
very
localized
they're,
not
the
incidents
we
deal
with
are
not
necessarily
congregated
around
Rivers
main
rivers,
and
we
work
very
closely
with
the
environment
agency,
who
have
the
statutory
sort
of
role
and
responsibility
in
our
main
rivers.
B
But
Leeds
is
quite
unique
nationally
in
that
we
have
a
delegated
authority
from
the
environment
agency
to
manage
Moon
Rivers,
so
that
counts
for
both
parts
of
the
wharf
and
small
parts
of
the
wharf
around
Auckland,
but
actually
comprehensively
covers
the
river
air.
From
where
it
leaves
Bradford
to
where
it
leaves
the
city
on
its
way
down
to
Wakefield-
and
that's
that's
quite
unique
around
the
country,
and
so
that
means
that
we
can
build
flood
schemes.
B
We
can
maintain
and
operate
those
flood
schemes
under
the
powers
that
the
environment
agency
has
Under
the
Water
Resources
Act.
Next,
one
please
planning
is
a
particularly
large
focus
of
our
work.
It's
a
statutory
function
that
we
are
a
consultee
on
all
major
planning
applications
and
we
actually
consult
and
provide
a
technical
response
to
all
planning
applications.
Not
all
local
authorities
do
that,
but
we
do
them
on
them
all,
because
what
we
find
is
that
sort
of
minor
applications
can
quite
often
be
major
contributors
to
localized
flooding
problems.
B
So
we
do
take
a
very
proactive
approach.
Just
means
it's
very
resource
heavy
and
we
do
like
many
Council
Services.
We
do
struggle
to
retain
technical
staff
and
recruit
technical
staff,
but
this
is
quite
a
big
function
for
us
by
and
large
the
line
in
the
middle
that's
got
150
and
next
to
it.
That
is
fairly
consistently
the
the
number
of
planning
applications
that
we're
getting
on
average.
B
B
And
so
yeah
we,
we
also
do
pre-application
consultations
and
we
also
do
the
Orange
Line.
There
are
Majors,
so
I
supposed
to
give
some
context
to
that
and
I
apologies
are
probably
completely
teaching
you
to
suck
eggs
here,
but
the
major
applications
in
our
world
are
sort
of.
B
You
know
that
fairly
sizable
housing,
housing
estate,
sort
of
city,
center
high-rise
developments
or
businesses
so
they're
quite
often
quite
complicated
because
they're
in
urban
areas,
where
you've
got
multiple
factors
and
from
a
floodless
point
of
view,
you're
dealing
with
quite
complex
hydraulic
models,
so
you
might
have
flooding
from
the
river.
You
might
also
have
flooding
from
surface
water
or
even
the
interaction
with
Yorkshire
Waters
infrastructure
and
sewers
and
surface
water
drainage.
B
The
next
one,
please,
the
graphic.
Apologies,
it's
a
little
small,
but
this
is
something
we've
done
some
rebranding
recently,
so
we've
got
a
Leeds
flood,
resilience
or
brand.
That
goes
around
the
major
schemes
and
and
the
messaging
that
we
put
out
around
flood
resilience.
This
is
just
along
the
sort
of
use
of
that
branding.
B
We've
tried
to
just
depict
graphically
where
we've
done
flood
flood
schemes,
so
the
sort
of
purple
line
along
the
river
air
that
that
is
leads
Fair
fast
to
our
leads
flood
alleviations
scheme
phase,
two
that
extends
from
the
train
station
out
to
Bradford
we're
actually
working
in
Bradford
as
well.
I've
got
a
few
slides
on
that
particular
scheme
letter
because
it's
fairly
confident
in
saying
it's
the
biggest
scheme
in
the
country
and
it's
live
at
the
moment.
B
We've
been
building
that
for
the
last
12
to
18
months
and
that
should
complete
early
next
year.
So
I've
got
some
slides
on
that.
Finally,
would
Beck
I've
got
a
slide
on
later,
but
that's
a
really
small
scheme
geographically,
but
affects
directly
a
small
community.
That's
in
cottonley
nature
well
near
Morley,
so
we're
really
pleased
that
we've
been
able
to
bring
that
forward
like
a
lot
of
flood
schemes.
It's
wedged
between
two
businesses.
B
It's
very
awkward
access,
we've
had
historical
features
there,
and
all
we've
really
done
is-
is
take
the
top
off
a
culverted
section
of
a
watercross,
taking
it
out
of
a
pipe
and
made
it
open.
But
the
benefits
from
a
flood
risk
point
of
view
are
very
significant.
B
That's
the
best
part
of
a
million
pounds
spent
on
that
Community.
They
have
flooded
significantly
in
the
past
and
I
think
yeah.
That
represents
quite
a
major
milestone
for
us,
but
on
paper
you
could
drive
past
it
and
you'd
never
see
that
it's
a
club
scheme-
it's
not
that
obvious,
but
from
a
technical
point
of
view,
it's
very
challenging,
but
so
we're
pleased
that
we've
been
able
to
complete
that
this
year,
when
we
say
we've
got
seven
live
schemes.
B
I
suppose
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
which
our
conscious
is
frustrating
for
communities
at
times
on
the
data,
the
technical
side
of
things
and
so
live
schemes.
There
are
not
construction
schemes
there,
yet
they
are
business
case
development,
modeling,
technical,
Assurance,
auctioneering.
Everything
to
understand
how
do
we
fund
this?
B
What's
the
right
option
at
the
bottom,
there
just
referencing
that
we're
doing
a
lot
of
nfm
apologies
for
the
acronym
is
natural
flood
management,
so
using
natural
processes
to
manage
flood
waters
to
to
reduce
runoff
or
to
store
water,
but
using
the
natural
landscape
to
do
that
rather
than
hard
engineering.
Next
slide.
Please
a
particular
success.
B
I
wanted
to
pick
out,
and
hopefully,
if
the
video
plays
at
the
end,
there
is
a
short
video
that
we've
done
with
residents
in
otley,
who
were
very
badly
affected
in
2015,
but
have
actually
been
flooded
a
number
of
times
before
and
after
that
we
did
a
four
and
a
half
million
pound
investment
in
a
flood
scheme
at
otley,
and
that
was
completed
earlier
last
year.
We're
still
doing
some
of
the
finishing
off
work
there,
because
we've
got
a
long-term
10-year
maintenance
plan
for
the
in
River.
B
So
what
we've
done
is
complemented
the
engineering
Works
with
ongoing
maintenance
of
the
trees
and
the
vegetation
in
the
river,
and
that
has
quite
a
significant
impact.
So
the
the
level
of
vegetation
on
the
on
the
island
Downstream
of
the
Weir
in
otley,
if
anybody's
familiar
with
the
park,
is
contributes
300
mils
of
foot
of
blood
risk
reduction.
B
So
all
the
sort
of
the
17
meter
long
sheet
piles
that
are
drilled
into
the
ground
at
this
location,
but
actually
what
we
need
to
complement
that
is
fairly
straightforward.
Vegetation
management
and
that's
really
important
and
we
need
to
that'll
be
a
key
part
of
the
scheme
going
forward.
So
we're
still
doing
that
on
an
ongoing
basis,
but
the
engineering
works
is
complete
and
the
picture
at
the
top
is
of
a
wildflower
Meadow
that
we
implemented
as
part
of
that.
It's
a
really
nice.
B
It's
a
really
nice
part
of
the
town
now
to
walk
through,
and
it
has
got
this
very
highly
engineered
flood
scheme
that
you
can't
really
tell
it's
a
flip
scheme
because
it
just
looks
like
a
grass
bank,
but
the
technical
engineering
is
under
the
ground
and
there's
some
stats
on
the
bottom
left
there
just
around
a
number
of
properties
and
the
spend
and
the
implications
for
the
sort
of
local
community
and
then
yeah
just
the
Press
coverage
on
on
the
right
there.
B
So
hopefully
we'll
touch
on
the
video
a
little
bit
later.
What
we'll
say
about
the
oddly
scheme?
It's
a
good
example
of
why
climate
change
is
such
a
factor
here,
because
so
that
the
pre-seme
chance
of
a
flood
happening
there
was
was
a
20
chance
in
any
year.
B
So
it's
a
big
change,
but
actually
the
impacts
of
climate
change
over
the
next
50
years
will
mean
that
it'll
go
back
to
being
a
20
risk
again
and
and
that
that
really
affects
the
funding
that
we
can
get
so
because
we
can't
prove
we
can't
provide
a
solution
with
the
funding,
that's
available
to
sort
of
eradicate
that
risk
for
a
much
longer
period
and
sustain
that
that
that
communities,
in
effect
that
they're
adapting
over
time-
and
we
will
need
to
continue
to
look
at
what's
possible
for
that
Community.
B
But
what
we've
done
is
what
what
we've
been
able
to
do,
and
it
was
important
not
to
wear
and
find
a
solution
that
was
so
comprehensive.
We've
had
to
compromise
there
and
and
that's
and
that's
difficult
to
do
when
we're
in
this
profession,
because
it
doesn't
feel
like
we've
done
the
full
job,
but
actually
it's
quite
a
comprehensive
step
forward
and
that
Community,
hopefully
that'll,
come
out
in
a
video.
At
the
end.
B
This
is
the
filing
wood
back
one.
So,
like
I
said
they're,
not
the
prettiest
pictures
and
it
doesn't
do
it
justice,
because
there's
a
lot
of
engineering
Works
in
there,
but
in
effect
the
hidden
channel
has
now
been
unveiled
and
and
what
it
does
is
just
provide
a
lot
more
water
for
the
a
lot
more
space
for
flood
water,
and
it
means
therefore
that
15
properties
don't
flood
and
they're
used
to
okay.
Next
one,
please,
this
is
sheep
scar
back.
B
So
this
is
one
of
sort
of
live
schemes,
so
we're
doing
all
the
detailed
design,
work
and
modeling
work.
So
sheep
scar,
Beck,
runs
through
from
it's.
The
bottom
of
the
meme
would
bet
catchment,
so
it
comes
down
through
that
that
Valley
and
out
falls
into
the
river
where
Crown
Point,
where
is
or
where
the
armor
is
it's
on
very
urbanized.
It's
through
culverts,
it's
lots
of
walls
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
picture
on
the
right,
the
walls
are
of
varied
construction.
B
It
massively
increases
flood
risk
in
that
area.
You've
got
lots
of
businesses
in
this
in
this
part
of
the
city,
and
there
are
plans
for
regenerating
and
this
this
part
of
the
city,
and
hopefully
our
works
will
enable
that
to
come
forward
like
it
has
in
other
parts
and
the
picture
at
the
top
is
of
nostrop
wheeler,
which
is
part
of
Leeds
fast
phase
one,
and
that
was
during
construction.
The
pictures
on
the
bottom
are
of
our
contractors.
B
We've
got
underwater
divers
in
the
water
there
and
also
the
safety
boat,
replacing
that
little
green
new
blue
box
in
the
bottom
right
is
called
an
inclinometer
and
it's
a
small
piece
of
Kit,
considering
that's
a
50
million
pound
scheme.
That
small
piece
of
Kit
is
pretty
much
the
most
important
piece
of
kit
on
the
scheme
and
it
tells
us
exactly
the
height
of
the
wheels.
B
So
we
can
move
the
wheels
on
phase
one
and
so
ordinarily
they're
up
in
the
upright
position
and
they're
held
upright
by
big
rubber
bladders,
so
they're
filled
with
compressed
air
and
they
leave
they
lever
up
a
steel
plate
and
they
allow
the
river
to
be
navigable
through
the
city
center.
So
it
maintains
navigation
by
keeping
the
level
of
the
River
High
artificially
high
in
a
flood.
We
need
that
space
back,
so
we
drop
the
wheels
down
and
that
creates
space
for
food.
B
B
B
That's
just
to
sort
of
highlight
that
technically,
the
systems
that
we
use
to
manage
flood
risk
are
very
important,
so
we've
got
a
new
asset
management
system
coming
in
and
it's
allowing
us
to
work
through
mobile
technology,
so
we've
brought
in
tablets
to
use
for
inspecting
assets
out
in
the
field
and
updating
asset
information,
and
that's
quite
a
big
shift
from
a
sort
of
efficiency
point
of
view,
we're
looking,
obviously
to
use
money
as
wisely
as
we
can,
and
that's
that's
quite
a
big
shift
for
us,
so
focus
on
leads
fast
too.
B
These
are
my
last
few
slides,
so
just
the
picture
there
that
shows
phase
one
was
from
the
train
station
down
to
thwait
Mill.
It
did
include
some
Works
actually
number
seven.
There
is
at
woodlesford
so
because
the
scheme
showed
a
very
slight
increase
at
a
very
big
flood
at
woodlesford.
B
We
did
a
scheme
there
first
before
we
did
anything
else
and
then
the
scheme
real
estate
Center,
was
completed
five
years
ago
now
and
in
the
report,
I
did
include
a
link
to
a
a
video
that
we
did,
that
just
talks
about
that
scheme
and
how
we
manage
it
at
the
moment.
Phase
two
is
in
construction
now,
and
construction
is
going
very
well.
B
They've
got
a
huge
amount
of
infrastructure
going
in
around
from
from
the
train
station
up
towards
bridge,
and
there
are
defenses
going
in
in
Bradford
at
Appley
Bridge
again
as
mitigation
for
the
slight
increase
in
flood
risk
there,
because
we
put
in
a
very
large
storage
area
in
which
is
in
the
step
two
bit
the
Red
Bracket
next
one,
please
just
a
quick
rundown
on
the
funding,
and
actually
this
is
a
moving
picture
in
the
report.
B
I
did
put
the
very
latest
figure,
which
is
just
over
125
million
pounds
for
the
base
two
scheme,
largely
the
increase
from
the
112
sort
of
business
case.
Figure
is
inflation,
but
there
are
also
a
number
of
changes
that
are
expected
just
because
it's
a
huge
engineering
scheme
spread
over
eight
kilometers,
so
ground
conditions,
historic
structures,
there's
lots
of
challenges
there,
but
yeah
the
team
are
doing
an
excellent
job,
we're
trying
to
get
that
over
the
line
for
early
next
year.
B
Next,
one
please.
This
just
shows
the
sort
of
phasing
of
phase
two.
That's
not
a
bit
confusing,
so
different
zones
that
we
take.
So
the
Zone
in
the
bottom
right
is
next
to
the
train
station
and
it's
largely
complete,
actually
we're
expecting
a
sort
of
health
and
safety
file
on
that
fairly
soon,
and
then
each
of
those
zones
do
work
in
conjunction
with
one
another.
So
we're
not
in
a
position
where
we
could
complete
any
particular
bit
in
advance
of
the
others,
because
we've
got
to
manage
the
flood
waters
holistically.
B
So
if
we've
got
one
section,
complete
blood
waters
could
escape
the
river
in
a
large
flood
in
another
section
and
affects
that
section
that
we
think
we've
completed
so
they're,
not
uni.
They
are
interlinked
hydraulically
when
the
river's
in
flood.
So
it's
quite
a
complex
sequencing
of
completing
the
scheme.
The
one
in
the
top
left
is
is
in
Napoli
bridge
and
there
are
works
there
to
protect
properties
there
and
infrastructure
there.
B
The
one
the
yellow
one
is
on
I
think
it's
14
is
a
very
large
storage
area
that
I've
got
an
animation
for
in
a
second
next
one
please.
So
these
are
just
some
pictures
of
progress.
B
The
bottom
two
pictures
are
that
there's
a
new
control
structure
so
in
effect
the
valley
bottom
between
rodley
and
apley
Bridge,
so
we've
called
that
cavali
I
know
cavalry's
on
a
hill,
but
that's
what
we
call
that
cavali
and
there's
the
river
naturally
comes
through
the
valley
bottom,
and
we
will
put
a
large
embankment
with
a
big
steel
gear
on
the
bottom
that
will
lay
flat
normally
and
that
will
sit
inside
that
big,
concrete
structure.
B
It's
really
difficult
to
gauge
the
scale.
Buff
Gary
and
myself
have
been
stood
inside
that
Coffer
Dam
during
construction,
and
it's
huge.
It's
20
meters
across
so
there'll
be
two
gates
in
there,
both
10
meters
wide
and
they
will
lift
up
in
a
flood.
So
when
we
get
to
what
we
would
call
a
hundred
year
flood,
so
that's
like
a
flood.
That's
got
a
one
percent
chance
in
any
year
to
happen.
B
The
city's
protected
as
it
is,
and
all
the
works
that
come
will
be
completed
through
kirkstall,
will
give
the
same
standard
of
protection
in
the
city
center
right,
the
way
up
through
to
Bradford
a
bigger
flood
than
that
the
likes
of
which
we
saw
in
Boxing
Day
2015,
so
more
like
a
200
year
flood
and
this
structure
basically
holds
all
that
extra
water
back
in
that
location,
over
a
million
cubic
meters
of
extra
space
artificially
created
by
the
gates,
lifting
up
and
all
of
that
water
is
held
and
then
released
slowly
as
the
flood
comes
back
down.
B
So
it
increases
the
standard
of
protection
right
through
the
city
center.
So
even
the
works
that
we
completed
five
years
ago
or
Downstream
of
the
train
station,
the
standard
of
protection
there
is
uplifted.
So
it's
it's
an
increase
to
the
works
that
we
did
a
few
years
ago
with
this
work
yeah.
B
Oh,
it's
working
there
we
go
okay,
so
this
is
an
animation
that
we've
done.
This
is
the
storage
area,
so
you've
got
the
railway
line,
runs
through
the
valley
bottom
and
to
the
left
of
that
line.
The
basically
the
natural
valley
bottom
is
is
already
flooded
in
a
flood.
Now
what
we
will
do
is
increase
that
debt,
the
storage
area
that
can
be
utilized.
So
that's
the
river
we
sort
of
the
little
graphic
in
the
top
right.
B
The
red
line
is
what
the
river's
doing
Downstream
of
this
new
structure
and
the
blue
line
that
spikes
right
up
is
the
level
Upstream
of
that
structure.
So
it's
supposed
to
assure
you
that,
as
we
step
through
a
flood,
so
you
can
start
to
see
that
the
area
is
now
starting
to
flood.
It's
going
to
be
held
back
to
this
side,
so
the
Upstream,
the
Bradford
side
of
that
flood
control
structure.
B
B
Obviously,
we
will
again
have
incident
staff
like
we
do
on
the
first
phase
that
we'll
be
managing
this
scheme.
There
are
lots
of
other
assets.
There
are
thousands
of
assets
that
we
will
take
on
as
a
city
council
as
a
result
of
completing
this
scheme.
This
is
the
very
swish
comprehensive
one
that
we're
going
to
build
and
it's
new
technology
to
us.
So
this
is
rather
than
using
compressed
air.
Like
the
schema
in
the
city
center
users,
this
will
use
hydraulic
Rams.
B
It's
a
huge
hydraulic
arms
that
will
push
the
wheel
gates
up
in
a
flood
and
it
will
hold
all
that
excess
water
back
Upstream
in
the
top
right
you'll
see
that
it's
like
blocks
on
the
concrete
bed
on
the
riverbed,
that's
actually
to
provide
fish
passage
for
all
the
structure,
so
we
also
have
to
manage
the
engineering
Works
alongside
all
the
environmental
legislation
as
well.
B
I,
just
there
we
go.
Thank
you.
The
the
flip
side
to
the
climate
emergency
for
us
is
that
by
delivering
infrastructure
schemes,
we're
actually
emitting
carbon.
So
that's
always.
The
challenge
that
we
often
face
is
that
to
build
infrastructure
on
this
scale.
Is
that
not
bad
for
the
planet
and
I?
Think
the
answer
is
yes,
it
is,
but
the
the
mitigation
to
that
is
that
it's
absolutely
necessary
because
we're
combating
the
impacts
of
climate
change,
but
to
mitigate
the
carbon
that's
emitted.
B
We
did
set
Targets
on
the
project,
so
we've
set
a
20
Target
of
reduction
in
the
carbon.
That's
brought
about
in
the
materials
that
we
use
and
a
10
reduction
in
the
carbon
that's
emitted
for
the
activities,
so
the
transport
and
and
activities
that
are
used
on
the
scheme.
That
was
a
self-imposed
Target
I,
think
it's
set
a
bit
of
a
benchmark
for
flood
risk
schemes
across
the
council
across
the
council,
but
also
nationally,
and
certainly,
we've
got
other
Highway
infrastructure
schemes
that
are
also
following
suit
by
setting
a
Target.
B
B
So
it's
quite
a
big,
powerful
message
app
for
the
future.
Next
one
please
change
intact
completely.
So
the
the
natural
flood
management
element
of
the
Leeds
Fast
2
scheme
is
is
to
directly
tackle
the
adaptation
to
climate
change.
So
all
the
engineering,
Works
I
think
we're
predicting
that
there'd
be
a
seven
and
a
half
percent
increase
in
the
floor
at
the
equivalent
size
flood
between
today
and
by
2069..
B
So
we
build
all
the
engineering
works
will
protect
for
today,
and
it
also
covers
two
and
a
half
percent
of
the
future
impact
of
climate
change.
So
the
remaining
five
percent
that
we
need
to
find
to
maintain
that
standard
of
protection
is
going
to
be
delivered
by
the
natural
flood
management
scheme.
So
all
of
this
work
is
actually
being
delivered
outside
of
Leeds.
So
it's
up
in
the
catchment
right
up
to
the
headwaters
at
mallam,
so
malamtown
is
the
is
the
headwaters
for
the
river
air.
B
We've
identified
the
key
areas
around
the
catchment
where
we
could
have
the
biggest
impact,
and
then
what
we're
planning
to
do
is
is
in
is
intervene
with
a
range
of
sort
of
Land,
Management
and
tree
planting
interventions
that
all
slow
the
flow
down
up
in
the
upper
catchment
and
therefore,
by
the
time
it
gets
to
Kirk
still
it
realizes
that
five
percent
Peak
floor
reduction
in
a
flood
so
so
far
we've
actually
planted
more
trees
than
that.
B
Now,
we've
just
finished
the
planting
season
for
this
year,
so
I
think
we're
at
almost
450
000
trees
planted
in
the
catchment.
The
ambition
is
to
plant
two
million
trees.
B
B
Soil
and
Land
Management,
largely
sort
of
aerating
the
soil
and
making
sure
that
it's
not
compacted
as
big
benefits
for
agriculture,
but
it
also
has
big
flood
risk
benefits.
Again.
B
It
means
that
the
soil
holds
more
water
rather
than
that
water
running
off
finding
its
way
into
the
river
and
finding
its
way
into
Leeds,
and
so
we
will
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
there
being
about
1200
hectares
of
soil
improvement
work,
but
that
has
to
be
repeated
year
on
year
and
that's
a
revenue
burden
that
we're
trying
to
challenge
and
Tackle
going
forward
and
I.
Think
I've
got
one
more
slide
and
then
I've
got
a
slide
that
depicts
a
solution
that
we're
trying
to
put
forward
for
that
next,
one
please.
B
B
The
intention
is
to
not
put
too
many
of
those
in
directly
affecting
leads
fast
too,
just
because
of
that
future
maintenance
burden,
but
the
tree
planting
and
the
sort
of
detail
modeling
that's
gone
on
in
the
catchment
is,
has
informed
that
work
and
we're
now
sort
of
embarking
on
it's
the
it's
again
the
biggest
natural
management
project
in
the
country,
and
it's
it.
B
It
brings
some
challenges
working
at
that
scale
and
clearly
we're
working
four
leads,
but
outside
of
leads
next
one,
please
the
way
that
we
propose
to
fund
the
future
maintenance
of
all
the
natural
elements
on
the
scheme
is
to
create
a
special
purpose
vehicle.
So
this
is
likely
to
be
a
community
interest
company.
The
the
working
title
for
that
is
air
resilience.
Company
and
we've
got
a
project
with
some
extra
funding
at
the
moment
to
look
at
establishing
the
financial
model
and
establishing
that
company.
B
B
We
will
pay
for
that
loan
effectively
that
investment
that
would
be
repaired
by
companies
buying
the
benefits
associated
with
the
work
that
we're
doing
largely
those
benefits
are
going
to
be
the
flood
risk
reduction.
So
the
fact
that
the
city
continues
to
be
protected
from
flood
risk
long
into
the
future.
B
Because
of
these
measures
we
would
be
selling
that
benefit
to
private
businesses,
and
so
that
business
model
is
a
little
untested
in
this
part
of
the
country,
but
it
has
been
done
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
but
not
on
the
scale,
but
we
would
be
working
with
Farmers
land
managers
in
the
third
sector
across
the
catchment
to
provide
that
sort
of
improvement
to
the
catchment
and
the
land,
but
with
the
investment
for
that
would
come
from
private
business
and
the
vehicle
for
making
that
possible
will
be
a
separate
entity
and
they're.
B
Just
that's
just
an
infographic
that
covers
sort
of
some
of
the
key
stats
around
Leeds
fast
too.
So,
as
well
as
directly
protecting
homes
and
businesses.
It
does
unlock
a
lot
of
land
for
development.
It
it
better
protects
infrastructure,
key
infrastructure
like
the
railway
line
that
runs
up
the
valley,
Bridges
kirkstall
Road,
the
railway
station
itself
in
the
city
center,
and
we
are
proposing
to
be
complete
and
operational
by
early
next
year.
A
Jonathan,
that's
been
a
very,
very
fascinating
and
Wednesday
presentation
and
I
know
that
I
asked
for
this
video
maybe
to
be
made
available,
but
I
think
I'm
going
to
move
to
questions
and
comments
from
members
and
then
maybe
at
the
end
we
will
we
will
potentially
watch
the
video
I
have
counselor
lay
down.
Who
undoubtedly
is
going
to
talk
about.
Oddly.
D
Of
course,
yes
thanks
chair
and
thanks
Jonathan,
firstly,
I
think
it
would
be
amiss
of
me
not
to
thank
you
and
your
team
for
everything
that
you've
done
in
otley.
You
have
kept
the
members
of
the
community,
the
affected
households
and
businesses
and
Ward
members
up
to
date
through
every
phase
of
the
works
which,
as
you
say,
are
completed.
D
You
have
responded
to
concerns
as
and
when
needed
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
and
thank
you
on
behalf
of
my
community.
It
was
tested
last
year,
I'm,
not
sure
it
saved
the
town.
D
As
the
wolfdale
Observer
said,
most
of
the
town
is
above
the
river
level
and
the
river
never
gets
anywhere
near
the
town,
but
I
I
take
the
premise
of
the
headline
that
it
saved
the
affected
properties
down
on
Bridge
Avenue
off
the
back
of
that
I
just
wanted
right
back
at
the
beginning
of
your
presentation,
you
perhapsed
slide
number
two,
which
was
the
extreme
weather
events
from
1980
right
through
to
2022
or
2021,
and
there
was
a
large,
obviously
increase
in
flooding.
D
The
blue
and
I
just
sort
of
I'm
I
need
to
be
absolutely
clear:
I'm,
not
a
climate
skeptic
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
Global
change.
Climate
change
is
not
happening.
I
just
wondered
what
is
the
definition
of
a
flood,
because
actually,
why
I
ask
is
because
some
of
the
simple
mitigations
we
did
after
the
boxing
day
or
the
Christmas
week
of
2016
or
15
whenever
it
was
helped,
also
reduce
further
flooding
and
I.
Think
of
things
that
things
like
we
unblocked
Talbots,
we
unblocked
drains,
we
took
out
silted
waterways.
D
We
took
out
vegetation
and
I
guess
what
I'm
really
saying
is
as
a
society
over
those
40
years
as
the
climate
emergency
has
become
more
prominent,
have
we
as
a
society,
and
both
national
and
local
government
failed
to
deal
with
the
man-made
failures
around
keeping
drains
unblocked,
keeping
gullies,
unblocked,
unsilting
waterways,
cutting
down
vegetation,
etc,
etc,
and
now
that
we've
done
that
some
of
the
mitigation
means
that
we're
less
likely
to
have
the
severe
flooding
outcomes
that
were
previously
had
and,
of
course,
right
at
the
end,
you
talked
about
the
natural
flood
management
that
was
very
clear
from
our
community
in
otley
that
they
were
very
keen
that
work
was
done.
D
Upstream
around
the
heathlands
and
up
in
The,
Dales,
and
so
I
was
really
pleased
to
see
that
that
has
been
ongoing,
because
this
and
we've
never
denied
this
so
I
assume
it
must
be
true.
As
you
know,
the
War,
the
river
Wharf
is
the
fastest
rising
River
in
the
EU.
D
Sorry
we're
not
in
the
EU
anymore,
in
Europe
and
but
also,
conversely,
is
the
fastest
receding
River.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
and
it's
more
of
a
comment.
Really
about
we
now
want,
we
seem
to
be
on
top
top
of
reducing
those
man-made
failures
that
we
previously
didn't
worry
about.
B
Yeah
I
think
the
the
key
point
I
I
take
from
that
is
is
that
we
do
the
interventions
that
we
put
in
in
terms
of
new
schemes,
but
also
just
existing
infrastructure
has
to
be
maintained
and
in
effect
we
increase
flood
Risk
by
lack
of
maintenance.
If
we're
not
careful
and
and
that's
a
real
challenge,
because
a
lot
of
this
capital
and
funding
that
comes
in
for
the
large
flood
schemes
doesn't
come
with
maintenance
on
it,
and
so
as
much
as
we've
got
delegated
responsibilities
for
for
flood
schemes.
B
We're
having
to
think
of
these
Innovative
funding
ways
of
bringing
in
additional
funding
that
keeps
that
maintenance
up
so
yeah.
The
the
impacts
of
climate
change
will
only
increase
that
risk
of
a
flood
happening,
but
equally
a
lack
of
Maintenance
and
a
lack
of
infrastructure.
Care
will
also
increase
that
risk
and
and
that's
something
that
our
asset
management
capabilities
as
a
counselor
outfit
risk
infrastructure
is
hugely
increased
in
the
last
few
years
and
it
will
need
to
go
again.
B
I
wasn't
overestimating
when
I
said
there
were
thousands
of
assets,
new
assets
on
Fast,
two,
that's
one
scheme
and
we
did
do
an
agreement
with
the
environment
agency
that
they
would
maintain
flood
alleviation
scheme
and
we
keep.
We
keep
that
relationship
close.
But
again
they
face
the
same
questions
that
we
do
in
some
respects
that
Revenue
money's
hard
to
come
by.
Capital
money
is
easier
to
come
by
and
that's
the
challenge
so
yeah,
okay,.
D
B
So,
there's
a
specific
10-year
maintenance
plan
that
what
it
should
do
is
change
the
sort
of
vegetation
landscape
along
that
stretch
from
being
unmanaged
huge
willow,
trees
that
are
difficult
to
manage
and
they
increase
flood
risk
to
being
a
different
type
of
species
in
the
river
so
that
they're
easier
to
manage.
So
the
maintenance
burden
should
be
less
as
a
result
that
initial
10
years
that
that
maintenance
burden
actually
sits
with
the
environment
agency,
because
it's
a
Moon
River.
B
However,
the
the
maintenance
of
a
Watercourse
is
actually
with
the
landowner
and
at
that
location,
it's
not
just
a
council
that
has
land
ownership,
there's
private
land
ownership
and
therefore
it's
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
a
problem.
But
the
reason
we've
done.
The
vegetation
management
is
to
actively
reduce
the
maintenance
burden
in
future.
So
it
tries
to
sort
of
actively
reduce
that
future
bill.
I
Thank
you
yeah
a
really
interesting,
engaging
presentation.
Thank
you
for
taking
so
much
time
to
talk
it
all
through
and
I
enjoyed
the
animation
in
particular
and
hoping
that
all
presentations
have
animations.
In
from
now
on,
a
couple
of
quite
local
questions,
I
saw
in
my
papers
a
reference
to
the
meme
with
Beck
Works
and
a
link
to
a
kind
of
commonplace
consultation
about
that
very
locally.
I
know
that
some
residents
are
kind
of
not
really
aware
of.
I
What's
going
on
with
that
and
I
think
are
under
the
impression
that
nowhere
is
going
to
happen.
But
actually
it
looks
like
from
what
you
shared
that
there
will
be
some
work
on
it.
So
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
explain
how
how
we
communicate
with
residents
about
you
know
after
consultations,
what
the
result
is
and
what's
likely
to
happen.
I
So
that's
an
example
of
that,
but
I
guess
it
applies
to
all
all
the
consultations,
particularly
with
smaller
ones,
maybe
on
and
then
on.
The
very
local
I
suppose
verges
that
you
get
on
on
just
on
normal
streets.
We
often
leave
them
in
to
improve
drainage.
I
Is
there
any
way
that
they
can
be
made
even
even
better
for
drainage,
so
whether
that's
trees
or
flowers
or
bushes?
You
know,
you
know:
oh
I,
I'm,
not
great
at
I.
Don't
know
much
about
this
stuff,
but
I'm,
assuming
that
verges
that
have
been
planted
are
going
to
be
better
for
absorbing
water
than
just
like
loose
churned
up
soil
or
whatever.
B
So
yeah
the
the
moon
would
fast
so
I
suppose
we
have
done
some
consultation
already
was
at
a
really
early
stage
and
it
was
done
online,
but
there
were
there
are
sort
of
regular
updates
that
come
to
Ward
members
and
to
sort
of
people
who've
originally
signed
up
to
receive
the
newsletter.
So
we
proactively
put
a
newsletter
out,
but
the
online
consultation
is
fairly
new
to
us.
B
I
mean
connecting
leads
I've
done
that
quite
comprehensively
using
commonplace,
but
we
now
use
that
as
a
standard,
but
for
every
flood
scheme
we
effectively
do
consultation
through
three
or
four
means
so
now
an
online
consultation
platform
where
people
can
add
their
own
comments
on
what
we've
said,
but
they
can
also
just
add
more
information.
I
know
about
this
I'm
worried
about
this.
Have
you
thought
about
this?
We
we
do
a
proactive
newsletter.
We
call
it
keeping
you
informed,
so
we
tend
to
do
that
every
song
three
to
six
months.
B
It
depends
on
the
pace
of
the
scheme,
but
then
we
do
do
specific.
As
counselor
said,
we
did
a
lot
of
this
in
otley,
because
the
scheme
was
just
at
that
stage
where
we
we
were
in
person.
We
were
in
the
community
and
we
were
there
to
ask.
We
asked
questions
of,
and
we
tend
to
sort
of
try
and
do
that
with
Ward
members
in
terms
of
finding
out
where's
the
best
place
to
go.
What's
the
best
timing
to
do
this,
what
sort
of
appetite
is
there
to
do?
B
That
event
is
probably
at
a
point
where
I
would
say
in
about
six
months
time
we'd
be
doing
a
more
detailed
consultation
on
the
sort
of
options.
So
we've
been
in
the
background.
I've
just
I've
just
signed
off
the
commission
for
the
next
phase
of
the
modeling,
so
they
will
take
the
sort
of
rough
options
and
do
more
detailed
assessment
of
how
how
feasible
they
are.
Could
we
afford
to
do
it
practically?
B
Does
it
make
a
difference,
but
we
have
got
I,
think
six
locations
we're
considering
for
storage
areas,
nothing
on
the
scale
of
what
you
saw
in
the
animation,
but
same
same
principle.
You
know,
would
start
water
when
it
needs
to.
Excuse
me,
my
voice
is
going
grassverge.
Is
we've
done
a
pilot
scheme
with
Yorkshire
water
on
I?
B
Think
it's
called
Roman
Avenue
around
it
so
effectively
took
the
area
around
a
standard
sort
of
urban
street
and
then
put
sustainable,
Urban
drainage
in
this
or
retrofit
of
a
sustainable
Urban
drainage,
which
I
suppose
is
exactly
what
you've
you've
said.
Councilor
Wilson
in
terms
of
are
better
than
a
Verge.
It's
not
just
grass.
That's
probably
sat
on
clear
It's,
actually
an
end
sort
of
greened
up
engineered
solution
that
manages
the
water
in
that
location.
It'd
be
brilliant
to
do
that
everywhere,
and
but
at
the
moment
we
started
just
piloting
like
there's.
B
Obviously,
there's
lots
of
different
factors
to
consider,
isn't
it
parking
and
maintenance
and
how
effective
that
sort
of
solution
is?
Haven't
I've
put
it
in
the
report,
but
I
didn't
touch
on
it
in
the
slides
as
such,
but
there's
a
fairly
major
change
to
legislation
coming
in
in
April
24
around
sustainable
Urban
drainage.
So
there
was
a
section
of
the
flood
and
Water
Management
act
that
was
created
in
2010
and
schedule.
B
So
it's
a
it's
in
consultation
with
defra
at
the
moment,
but
it's
fairly
likely
to
happen
it's
10
years
late,
and
so
therefore,
we
fight
tooth
and
nail
to
get
sustainable,
Urban
drainage
on
every
development,
and
we
really
struggle
at
the
moment
because
it's
not
mandatory
and
it
and
it
would
be
in
future
they
wouldn't
be
at
a
speed
in
the
ground
without
having
their
sub
scheme
signed
off
and
at
the
moment
it's
quite
often
conditioned
through
planning.
So
it
really
strengthens
our
position
on
sustainable
drainage.
B
So
things
like
that,
getting
the
best
out
of
the
infrastructure
in
the
city
we've
got
a
lot
more
teeth
going
forward
than
we've
had,
but
a
lot
of
Highway
schemes
now
are
doing
sustainable,
Urban
drainage
as
part
of
their
design,
and
that
hasn't
been
the
case.
You
know
in
the
past,
but
we've
seen
big
big
moves
forward.
I
know
it's
it's
a
recent
completed,
but
elar
is
a
great
example
of
this
very
extensive,
sustainable,
Urban
Journeys.
B
That
storm
was
part
of
the
scheme
and
that's
you
know
that's
what
we,
what
we'd
love
to
see
on
every
scheme.
C
A
C
A
Chair,
sorry,
sorry,
pardon
me
councilor
Hamilton,
sorry.
F
Thanks
chair
Jonathan
on
the
appendix
it's
you've
got
eye
feasibility,
2032
for
and
Potter
Newton-
that
that
seems
a
very
long
time
because
those
residents
have
issues
with
the
runoff
water
and
flooding
over
the
years.
So
why?
Why
is
that
scheme?
I'm
gonna
be
not
happening
till
2032
and
then
also
just
to
say
that
the
meanwood
back
I
will
agree
with
you
that
you
have
consulted
with
the
residents
and
some
of
them
have
gone
online,
but
not
all
with
feedback.
F
F
Yeah
it's
to
the
back
where
down
milk
on
where
the
residents,
some
of
them
have
replied
online,
like
per
se,
but
we
haven't
received
that
information
and
I
only
know
that,
because
I've
been
down
to
see
a
couple
of
residents
and
during
our
door
knocking-
and
yes,
they
are
pleased
with
regards
to
what's
been
taking
place-
to
prevent
their
houses
from
from
flooding
it's
from
flooding
then.
But
they
want
more
to
be
done,
which
they
are
aware
that
things
are
going
to
be
done
in
the
future.
B
Yeah
so
on
the
Potter
Newton,
one
I
think
I'll
I'll
check
that,
because
it
could
be
that
we've
got
future
funding
in
in
the
long-term
program.
B
Yeah
and
so
I
was
going
to
challenge
that
it
could
well
be,
and
it's
a
shame
that
it's
like
this-
it
could
be
a
typo
that,
because
we're
on
with
Pottery
now,
but
quite
often
we
do
the
early
feasibility
work
to
look
at
the
modeling
and
options,
and
then
we
have
to
put
the
funding
in
the
future
and
obviously
sometimes
we
can
bring
that
forward.
B
And
so
we
we
do
a
national
program
with
the
environment
agency
and
we
get
an
allocation
putting
that
nationally
and
sometimes
until
we've
done
that
early
feasibility
work
to
prove
the
solution.
They'll
quite
often
put
the
funding
way
into
the
future,
because
we
can't
justify
the
funding
now,
but
we're
on
with
continuity.
B
Now
so
we
and
we've
done
again:
we've
done
one
member
engagement,
we're
hoping
that
we'll
bring
funding
in
through
Yorkshire
water
for
Potter
Newton
as
a
scheme,
so
it
actually
be
similar
to
that
Roman
Avenue
scheme
that
I've
mentioned
before
to
be
like
a
sustainable
Urban
drainage
scheme
that
had
reduced
the
flood
risk
in
that
area.
But
that's
a
live
scheme
now
so
I'll
have
a
look
at
that
because
it
might
be
that
we've
got
future
funding,
but
it
could
be
that
it's
literally
a
typo
and
it
should
say
23,
not
32..
B
The
second
part
of
the
question
about
meme
would
I'll
just
double
check
where
information
is
going.
We
are
due
to
come
back
out
with
an
update
following
that
consultation.
But
what
should
happen
is
that
all
either
affected
directly
or
adjacent
Wards
would
get
that
information,
because
it's
a
catchment-wide
study
it
goes
out.
It
goes
out
to
anybody
that
will
have
an
interest
in
it
and
then
we
should
be
following
that
up
with
residents
as
well.
So
I'll
I'll,
look
into
that
for
you.
F
Just
to
say
it's
just
that
we
might
receive
it
and
miss
it,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are,
if
you
can
check.
C
Olsen,
thank
you,
chair
just
to
comment
to
start
with
Jonathan.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
very
informative
presentation
and
also
just
thank
you
to
the
flabris
management
team.
We've
always
been
very
helpful.
In
particular
in
my
Award,
with
Town
Street
and
Carlton
Lane
always
been
very
reactive.
I
do
have
a
question
just
around
the
400
000
trees
that
you
mentioned,
are
they
whips
or
standards,
or
a
mixture
of
both
I
assume?
C
It's
a
mixture
and
the
question
is:
how
are
we
measuring
the
return
on
that
investment,
as
we
know,
using
Woodland
creation
as
an
example
that
the
vast
majority
of
these
whips
don't
survive
to
maturity?
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
for
your
feedback
about
the
the
work
in
Geisler,
but
the
tree
planting
that
he's
largely
whip
planting
because
it's
just
done
at
scale
So
the
plan.
At
the
moment.
We
actually
need
the
majority
of
the
mature
tree
planting.
We
need
it
by
2039,
but
clearly
we
need
to
have
established
it
in
that
time.
So
the
tree
planting
that
we
do
with
white
rose
Forest
is
largely
whips.
It's
not
exclusively
whips.
We've
done
a
thousand
mixed
planting
just
at
kirkstall
recently
that
was
top
part
in
the
scheme.
B
So
there's
other
tree
planting
that's
much
much
different
to
that,
but
large-scale
natural
flood
management
tree
planting
is
largely
whips
because
it's
done
at
scale,
but
it
comes
with
a
15-year
management
plan
and
actually
they
over
plant
it.
So
the
point
what
we
really
need
about
tree
numbers
is
a
really
nice
figure
to
report,
but
what
we
actually
need
is
hectares
of
affected
land.
So
actually,
if,
if,
for
example,
if
two
thousand
trees
per
hectare
is
what
we
plan,
we
might
only
need
a
thousand
trees
per
hectare
to
have
the
impact
we
need.
B
B
But
technically
the
white
rose
forest
look
for
canopy
cover,
so
it's
an
increase
in
the
canopy
cover
across
the
catchment
that
they're
interested
in.
We
actually
want
flood
risk
reduction,
so
we're
just
interested
in
the
reduction
in
the
floor
from
that
land.
But
tree
numbers
seem
to
be
what
people
are
really
interested
in.
B
But
from
our
point
of
view,
what
would
we're
interested
in
what
it's?
What
the
benefit
it
provides
by
2039?
So
it
has,
we
need
it
to
stay
in
place.
It
goes
back
to
the
maintenance
Point
earlier.
We
won't
just
plant
and
walk
away,
we're
more
interested
in
how
it
matures
and
how
effective
It
Is
by
2039.
B
The
code
is
it,
but
it's,
but
it
is
monitored
and
managed.
So
again
we
don't
it's
not
just
a
capital
scheme
plant
in
walk
away,
which
does
happen
in
a
lot
of
places.
This
is
a
15-year
managed
agreement
with
the
landowner
so
that
it's
it's
done
in
conjunction
with
the
landowner.
250
000
of
those
trees
are
actually
on
the
Broughton
Hall
estate.
B
So
we've
got
a
direct
relationship
with
the
sort
of
rewilding
sort
of
project-
that's
happening
at
Broughton
Hall
at
Skipton,
so
that
that
does
account
for
quite
a
big
number
of
those
existing
trees.
But
the
plan
is
that
you
do
a
deal
with
the
landowner.
We
would
implement
the
tree
planting
through
the
supply
chain
or
through
the
white
rose
Forest,
but
the
landowner
works
then,
with
it
they
get
sort
of
an
ongoing
Grant
to
manage
the
Woodland
planting.
E
E
E
But
I
wondered
if
there's
any
other
kpi
information
that
reflects
additional
properties
that
are
now
at
risk
of
flooding
and
I'm.
Thinking
more
about
new
developments.
E
B
Good
question
so
yeah
we
do
have
a.
We
have
a
kpi
that
reports,
homes
and
businesses
that
are
better
protected
and
what
we
do
is
we
report
on
that
that
that's
through
particular
schemes,
but
it's
also
through
just
if
there's
an
improvement
to
that
picture.
We
would
add
that
to
that
to
that
reported
mechanism,
but
there's
then
I
suppose
we
don't
actively
when
we
could.
B
We
don't
actively
report
the
difference
in
the
properties
that
are
at
risk
from
our
latest
understanding
and
that
a
lot
of
that
understanding
just
comes
from
modeling,
so
we
don't
have
a
comprehensive,
detailed
model
for
every
bit
of
the
city,
larger
they're
done
in
conjunction
with
the
environment
agency.
We
tend
to
we've
taken
an
approach
in
leads
that
we
would
model
catchments
at
a
time.
So
meanwood,
catchment
or
worldly
bet
catchment
is
quite
a
big
project.
That's
coming
through,
so
we
have
a
better
understanding.
What's
happened.
B
We
did
a
white
back
project
a
few
years
ago
and
the
modeling,
because
we
had
a
better
understanding
of
the
risk.
It
removed
loads
of
properties
from
the
flood
zone
just
by
doing
the
modeling
work.
B
There
were
properties
that
came
out
of
the
flood
zone
because
the
floods
are
on
shrunk
because
we
had
a
better
understanding
of
the
risk
on
Wortley
back
we'll
just
read
on
the
model
recently
and
that
has
actually
increased
the
area.
That's
at
flood
risk
in
terms
of
it
was
always
at
risk.
We
just
didn't
know
that
because
the
modeling
didn't
show
it
and
it's
quite
a
comprehensive
change
and
so
I
suppose
we
don't
to
answer
the
question.
B
We
don't
report
on
that,
but
we
do
monitor
that
we're
working
on
that
all
the
time,
the
sort
of
understanding
of
risk
across
the
city,
but
but
I
suppose
we
could
show
that,
but
there's
a
Nuance
of
climate
changes,
increasing
the
risk
in
communities
all
the
time,
but
the
the
present
day
risk
is
changing
as
well,
because
our
understanding
of
that
risk
is
changing.
Every
time
we
do
a
model
we
get.
We
get
an
updated
understanding
of
the
risk.
B
Every
model
that
we
do
does
incorporate
climate
change,
so
it
looks
at
present
day
risk
and
it
looks
at
the
risk
with
climate
change
and
so
sometimes
you've
got
areas,
for
example
the
sort
of
extreme
bits
of
holdback
where
present-day
risk
they're
not
in
the
flood
zone,
but
with
with
the
climate
change
they
will
be
at
risk
and
that
work
is
being
undertaken
under
the
Strategic
flood
risk
assessment
that
we're
working
on
with
the
planning
teams
at
the
moment.
So
there'll
be
a
new
strategic
flood
risk
assessment
for
the
city.
B
That
shows
that
in
more
detail,
it'll
be
an
interactive
live
map
that
will
show
you
the
difference
between
present
day
risk
and
risk
with
climate
change.
But
again
it's
only
as
good
as
them
like
modeling
data,
and
we
don't
have
a
city-wide
perfect
model,
we're
doing
it
where
we
can,
where
we've
got
money
for
schemes.
E
Yeah
I
guess
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
that
is
probably
the
the
the
the
disappointment
for
me
and
probably
where
this
city
sits
with
the
measurement
of
flood
risk.
I.
Suppose
you
would
want
a
real-time,
organic
method
to
say
literally
you
know
week
by
week,
who's
what's
at
risk
and
what
isn't
at
risk
and
I
thought
that
would
be
a
key
part
of
the
strategy
or
the
flood
defense
team.
B
All
right,
yeah,
I
love
that
it'd
be
brilliant
to
have
a
real
time
and
a
future-proved
understanding
of
risk
in
every
single
corner
of
the
city
and
yeah
that
we
was
driving
to
do
what
we
can,
but
it's
funding
dependent.
So
wherever
we've
got
the
funding
to
for
a
scheme
and
people
can
see
that
there's
present
day
risk
and
they
give
us
some
funding
to
start
that
we
do
what
we
can
to
improve
the
understanding
of
the
risk
there.
But
that's
not
the
case
everywhere.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
three,
hopefully,
quick
questions
from
the
flood
alleviation
scheme
presumably
was
costed
at
past
prices.
I
assume
the
cost
is
now
escalated
for
the
reasons
we're
all
aware
of
what
impact
has
that
had
on
the
scheme
and
will
we
need
extra
Government
funding?
My
second
point-
and
it
follows
on
a
little
from
previous
comments-
is
we're
building
around
4
000
new
properties
a
year
in
Leeds.
A
A
And
my
final
point,
which
is
probably
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
respond
to,
is
we
are
aware
that
Yorkshire
water,
like
so
many
privatized
water
companies,
are
spewing
out
huge
amounts
of
effluent
as
they
call
it
where
I
come
from
in
in
into
our
Rivers,
which
is
bad
enough,
but
when
that
coincides
with
flooding
in
an
area
that
means
that
people's
homes
and
businesses
have
been
contaminated
with
effluent
and
I.
A
Suppose
my
question
is:
what
responsibilities
do
Yorkshire
water
have
for
contributing
towards
flood
risk
alleviation
and
what
resource
are
they
putting
into
it?.
B
Okay,
so
the
first
question
about
leads
Fast
2,
but
it
affects
every
infrastructure
products
going
on
at
the
moment.
I
think
we're
seeing
unprecedented
levels
of
inflation
and
it's
it's
a
real
challenge,
so
yeah
we'll
shy
away
from
that.
That
leads
fast
too.
This
is
a
real
pressure
at
the
moment,
so
we
we
have
been
into
government.
We
have
received
12
and
a
half
million
pounds
of
additional
funding
to
try
and
to
mitigate
those
increased
costs
on
the
scheme,
but
I
had
a
quick
slide
up
there.
B
That
just
runs
through
it
very
quickly,
but
there's
everything
around
just
actually
the
increasing
wages
and
the
supply
chain
costs.
Fuel
steel
prices
have
gone
through.
The
real
concrete
prices
have
gone
through
the
roof
that
the
project
has
tried
to
do
what
it
can
to
sort
of
like
reuse,
steel.
So
where
it's
got
steel,
that's
used
cheap
piles
for
coffee
damage
for
temporary
structures.
It's
then
reused
them
in
the
permanent
Works
elsewhere,
but
even
that
we
we
think
the
best
estimate
at
the
moment
is
is,
is
twelve
and
a
half
million
pounds.
B
Inflation
cost,
but
we're
still
on
site
and
inflation's
not
got
not
gone
back
down
so
that,
but
we
have
gone
actively
gone
to
government
directly,
so
that
funding
came
through
pays.
B
There's
an
ongoing
conversation
with
the
environment
agency,
about
Rising
costs
on
the
project
and
we're
having
increased
well
we're
actually
having
weekly
commercial
meetings
with
the
project
team
at
the
moment,
because
it's
that
it
is
it's
a
big
scheme,
it's
20
125
million
pounds
as
it
is,
so
it's
there's
a
lot
of
infrastructure.
There's
another
40
million
pounds
to
spend
on
the
scheme,
and
so
we've
got
with
commercial
matters
are
key
at
the
moment
to
the
to
the
project.
B
The
second
one
around
new
development
I
genuinely
stand
behind
this
and
I
know.
I
say
this
in
a
lot
of
forums,
and
it's
often
the
thing
that
people
see
new
development
as
an
increasing
risk,
and
it's
it's
really
the
opposite.
So
the
work
that
we
do
through
the
planning
system
is
probably
the
biggest
impact
on
flood
risks
that
we
have
so
going
back
to
your
question
before
councilor
Foster
about
the
change
in
Risk.
B
Actually,
we
probably
do
more
to
manage
flood
risk
through
the
planning
system
with
other
people's
money
than
we
do
through
our
own
infrastructure
schemes,
because
every
new
development
has
to
meet
such
a
high
standard
in
terms
of
attenuating
runoff,
and
it
goes
through
a
really
rigorous
technical
appraisal
but
I
think,
generally
speaking,
the
public
talk.
They
don't
believe
that,
because
I
think
they've
always
Associated
new
development
with
problems.
B
The
problem
does
come
if
that
technical
solution
that
they've
agreed
to
through
their
design
work
and
the
planning,
if
they
don't
Implement
that
properly
or
they
walk
away
from
it,
and
they
don't
maintain
it,
then
that
re-increases
that
risk,
but
the
technical
solution
at
the
time.
We
seek
huge
amounts
of
improvement
in
runoff
attenuation
through
new
developments,
so
whereas
they
might
be
on
a
Brownfield
site
and
they've
got
to
massively
attenuate
that,
so
they
might
in
round
numbers,
you
might
have
a
site,
that's
emitting
50
liters.
B
A
second
off
their
site
during
a
heavy
rainfall
event,
because
it's
some
it's
undeveloped
and
they
need
to
attenuate
that
back
to
five
liters,
a
second
Greenfield
run
off
for
it
and
we
they
have
to
show
that
they
can
do
that
technically
through
the
planning
system.
So
it's
actually
our
biggest
tool
for
improving
flood
risk
management,
particularly
for
surface
water.
B
It's
hard
to
capture
that
you
know
income,
because
we
need
them
to
model
that
impact,
and
but
so
what
we
do
is
we
actually
just
focus
on
reducing
runoff
rates
and
therefore
we
we
know
that
that's
a
massive
positive
step
forward.
What
it
does
do
is
mean
that
they
quite
often
put
that
in
tanks
under
the
ground
or
they're,
putting
it
in
pipes
and
what
we'd
like
to
see
is
that
they
do
it
through
green
infrastructure
and
do
it
through
Suds,
and
then
it
improves
the
sort
of
whole
offering
there.
B
Biodiversity,
Improvement
immunity
Improvement.
It's
often
difficult
to
win
that
argument,
because
what
pressing
them
really
hard
for
the
flood
risk
reduction.
But
we
want
our
cake
and
eating
because
we
also
want
them
to
pay
for
the
maintenance
of
future.
We
want
them
to
pay
for
the
ecological
or
Green
Space
Improvement
as
well.
What
the
new
legislation
that
will
come
in
will
really
challenge
them
to
do
that.
B
The
last
one
Yorkshire
water
speaking
really
honestly
Yorkshire
water,
basing
some
real
challenges.
At
the
moment
we've
got
a
lot
of
Staff
have
left
recently
they're
going
through
significant
restructuring,
but
that
they
have
a
really
big
role
to
play
in
this,
because
by
reducing
surface
water
that
run
off
that
gets
into
their
combined
sewer
systems.
That
is
a
big
factor
in
contributing
to
why
combined
sewer
outflows
are
spilling
sewage,
untreated
into
rivers.
It's
because
there's
too
much
water
you've
got
clean.
B
Ish
water,
that's
fallen
out
of
the
sky,
is
then
combined
with
the
sewage
and
means
that
the
capacity
of
their
system
can't
cope.
Therefore,
it
has
to
put
it
in
the
river,
and
it's
got
a
permit
to
do
that,
because
there's
just
too
much
water
in
their
system
and
so
technically
they're
not
breaking
any
laws
by
doing
that,
but
what
they
are
doing
is
putting
far
too
much
sewage
into
the
rivers,
because
there's
too
much
water
going
into
their
combined
system.
B
What
we're
really
pressing
them
to
do
is
invest
in
infrastructure
that
remove
surface
water
from
their
system
and
they
have
got
that
in
their
business
plan,
and
it's
and
it's
we're
hoping
it'll
be
strengthened
in
their
next
they're,
going
through
the
round
of
consultation
on
their
business
plan.
Now,
so
they
call
that
price
review
24..
So
that's
their
business
plan
that
had
come
into
play
in
2025
and
we've
been
pressing
them
really
hard
on
that
that
they
need
to
work
with
us
on
joint
schemes
that
uses
their
funding.
B
Alongside
our
funding
to
reduce
the
amount
of
surface
water
that
goes
into
the
system
and
that,
but
that
that
is
one
of
the
biggest
factors
is
it
isn't
just
what
they
spit
out
into
the
river?
It's
actually
the
fact
that
that
problem
is
caused
by
the
water
that
gets
from
development
sites
and
from
the
infrastructure
into
their
system
in
the
first
place,
and
if
we
can
remove
that
they
could
cope
with
that
volume
of
water.
B
They
could
treat
it
properly
and
put
it
into
the
river
when
they
should
so
yeah
they've
got
a
really
key
role
to
play.
Sorry.
A
Thank
you
Jonathan.
Maybe
that
aspect
could
be
something
that
the
successor
scrutiny
bird
next
year
or
whenever
can
address
in
a
bit
more
detail,
and
maybe
we
could
invite
Yorkshire
water
to
be
present
to
contribute
to
to
the
discussion.
I
think
members
would
find
that
very
helpful.
I've
not
had
any
other
indications
of
contribution,
so
I'm
going
to
bring
this
agenda
item
to
a
close
and
thank
Jonathan
for
his
his
usual
comprehensive
and
detail
report,
which
is
always
fascinating
and
always
very
thought
provoking.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Jonathan.
A
A
Okay,
right
and
then
final
item
is
the
work
plan,
which
is
obviously
provisional
and
drawn
from
various
discussions
that
we've
had
and
various
issues
that
come
back
to
us
each
year,
as
updates
on
previous
inquiries.
That
we've
done,
but
also
particular
issues
that
members
have
identified
and
basically
recommending
to
the
success
abroad
might
be
subjects
for
our
future
discussion.
So
can
I
take
that
as
agreed
right.
Okay,
that's
it
bring
the
meeting
to
a
close.