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A
Oh
here
we
go
good
morning,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
environment,
housing,
community
scrutiny
board
I'd
just
like
to
start
the
meeting
by
offering
the
members
of
the
community
environment
and
housing
board
to
introduce
themselves
if
they're
elected
members
to
let
people
know
which
Ward
they
are
from
and
for
those
people
who
are
viewing
on
the
webcast
exactly
what
your
geographical
Association
is.
So
I'll
start
off.
I'm
councilor,
Stewart
Goldman,
the
chair
of
the
board
and
I
represent
Rothwell
Ward.
F
Morning,
everyone
councilor
Andrew,
representing
kirkstall,.
G
I
N
Morning,
everybody,
this
is
councilor
Mary,
Holland,
exec
board
member
for
communities.
A
Very
good
right,
so
we
all
know
each
other.
Welcome
for
the
let's
go
over
the
business
for
today
over
to
Debbie
to
go
through
the
first
items
on
the
agenda.
B
B
A
M
If
I
could
just
Note
One
matter,
one
item
under
matters
arising
on
minute,
10
members
requested
that
future
performance
reports
include
core
City
comparisons
for
recycling
rates.
This
has
been
picked
up
by
John
Walmer,
but
in
the
interim,
the
2122
data,
as
published
by
defra,
was
provided
by
John
and
circulated
to
members.
Yesterday.
A
We'll
move
on
to
the
first
item
of
discussion,
which
is
the
future
of
Waste
Services.
A
Of
course,
we've
got
Mr
Wilma
here
and
James
Rogers
and
the
executive
member
isn't
present
at
the
moment,
but
should
be
able
to
join
us
later
in
the
meeting
time
permitting
I'd
just
like
to
invite
the
executive
officers
to
introduce
the
item
because
of
course
we
don't
want
you
to
go
through
all
of
the
information
that's
in
there
and
set
us
up
for
a
discussion.
P
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
just
very
briefly,
this
report's
brought
to
screwed
to
the
on
the
back
of
three
or
four
previous
reports
and
meetings
where
we've
discussed
the
emerging
waste
strategy
and
the
Border.
We
recall
that
a
working
group
was
set
up
a
John
working
group
with
the
resources
strategy
board
in
2022..
The
last
meeting
that
we
reported
back
to
was
in
November
22.
P
and
the
board
agreed
that
any
future
leadsway
strategy
should
need
to
ensure
it
fulfilled
the
requirements.
The
government's
National
resource,
my
strategy,
the
final
details
have
yet
to
be
confirmed.
So
what
the
main
part
of
this
report
updates
you
on
that
and,
as
as
the
chair
says,
hopefully
you've
had
a
chance
to
read
some
of
the
detail
that
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
around
that
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
further
questions
have
around
that.
I
think
the
headliner
draw
from
that
is.
P
There
hasn't
been
a
much
significant
progress
since
the
November
22
meeting
in
terms
of
the
detail
that
all
councils
are
expecting
from
government
from
defer
in
terms
of
the
future
requirements
for
refuse
collections.
I'd
just
remind
members
and
pick
out
the
point.
That's
in
the
report
that
how
we
currently
sit
legally
is
that
there
was
environment
act,
2021
that
gained
Royal
ascent
and
that's
the
act
that
sets
out
new
requirements
for
councils.
P
Legal
requirements
to
separately
collect
Garden
waste,
which
was
not
is
not
currently
I,
wasn't
current
before
a
legal
requirement,
food
and
glass
and
the
reason
we're
not
doing
that
and
no
councils
are
acting
on
that
act
at
the
moment
is
the
next
step
that
we're
all
waiting
for
is
for
government
to
release
the
more
information
and
detail
on
how
those
requirements
should
be
met
and
what
they
call
a
commencement
date
for
those
requirements.
P
So
all
councils
across
the
country
are
waiting
for
that
for
that
information
and
working
behind
the
scenes
with
defra,
where
we
can
on
that,
the
the
report
gives
you
quite
a
lot
of
detail
in
terms
of
background
documents
and
the
conversations
that
are
taking
place
with
death
around
that.
P
So
that's
the
the
the
main
body
of
the
report.
I
also
use
the
opportunity,
through
discussions
with
the
chair,
to
include
another
couple
of
updates
within
the
report.
So
you'll
see
there's
also
an
update
where
we
are
on
the
group
review
at
the
moment
and
also
the
proposed
glass
collection
pilot
trial
for
the
city,
so
they're
the
three
main
parts
of
the
report.
The
main
purpose
of
the
report
is
to
come
together
with
the
detail
around
the
waste
strategy
and
in
particularly
the
the
current
position
on
on
each
of
those
elements.
A
F
Thank
you
chair.
A
couple
of
things
actually,
first
off
just
be
thinking
about
how
we
get
residents
to
engage
with
a
broader
range
of
containers.
So
we
know
from
people
elsewhere
in
the
country
that
so
where
my
mother
lives
in
the
South,
they
have
about
their
local
Council,
given
about
seven
containers
for
recycling,
and
she
completely
ignores
three
of
them
and
I.
F
Think
that's
quite
common,
so
I'm
wondering
how
you
feel
about
what
we
could
do
to
engage
them
and
get
them
used
and
any
sort
of
notion
of
how
we're
doing
at
the
moment,
with
our
two
or
three
bins
and
to
what
extent
that
they
are
used
appropriately
and
what
what
kind
of
a
basis
we've
got
for
expanding
the
the
number
of
containers
when
that's
required
of
us
and
if
I
can
slide
in
a
fairly
parochial
question.
At
this
point.
F
In
relation
to
the
root
review,
there's
part
of
my
award
the
Burly
end
of
the
coaxial
Ward,
where
we
are
still
on
a
one
one
green
bean
collection
per
month
and
have
been
promised
for
quite
a
long
time.
Now
that
this
is
going
to
be
addressed
now,
I'm.
Just
thinking
if
the
the
root
review
takes
place
as
it
takes
place
in
the
end
of
this
year
later,
Autumn
as
you've
said,
is
that
something
that's
going
to
be
our
we're
going
to
get
to
our
fortnightly
collections
at
that
point?
F
If,
for
any
reason,
the
schedule
for
the
root
review
slips,
can
we
not
address
the
our
Port
nightly
collections
separately,
because
it's
been
going
on
an
extremely
long
time
and
we
do
seem
to
have
been
left
behind
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
leads
and
we've
got
a
situation
where
green
beans
are
getting
full
people
are
putting
recyclable
waste
in
the
black
bins
because
there's
nowhere
else
to
do
it.
P
Thank
you
for
the
chair.
Thank
you
for
those
two
main
issues
that
you've
raised.
I.
Think
in
terms
of
the
first
points
and
questions
again,
probably
something
I
can
pick
up
with
the
outside
debating
to
bring
you
up
to
speed
with
some
of
the
previous
discussions
about.
That's
scrutiny
around
that.
So
part
of
the
previous
inquiries
did
touch
on
that
and
we
provided,
for
example,
information
around
the
different
options
for
how
we
could
collect
in
the
future
waste
from
leads
to
a
degree.
P
So
if
a
deposit
return
scheme
does
come
in
as
it's
been
committed
by
the
government,
then
that
will
take
plastic
and
metal
drinking
containers
out
of
the
waste
stream,
which
is
a
good
thing
in
terms
of
taking
that
from
littering
and
taking
it
out
of
the
waste
stream
and
therefore,
hopefully
increasing
Recycling
and
decreasing
littering,
but
it
obviously
influences
them.
What's
in
our
green
bins,
what
we
might
have
in
containers-
and
so
it's
all
related.
P
So
that's
why
I
try
to
capture
that
in
the
report,
the
complexities
but
I'm
more
likely
to
meet
you
around
that
and
catch
up
with
some
stuff
around
that
and
that'll
link
into
what
we
do
around
engagement
in
the
future
and
that
we
can't
have
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
in
Leeds
to
how
we,
whatever
it
is.
We
do
so,
for
example,
if
we
did
go
down
a
glass
collection
and
a
food
clashing
separately,
we'd
have
to
be
looking
at
how
that
is
done
separately
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
P
It
I
would
suggest
that
the
challenges
in
some
of
our
highly
terrorists
and
content
and
densely
populated
areas
of
the
city,
where
there's
little
drives
and
already
potentially
over
a
spill
of
bins.
Literally
that's
gonna,
require
a
different
solution
than
to
more
Suburban
areas
where
they've
got
the
drives
the
capacity
to
fail
to
deal
with
physically
with
things
as
well
as
our
own
collection
practicalities,
so
I'm
quite
a
bit
if
that's
okay,
to
meet
with
this
separately,
providing
information
around
that
the
specific
question
around
the
alternate
week-
collection,
real,
like
yes,
you're,
absolutely
right!
P
That's
part
of
what
the
root
review
will
do.
So
you
should
be
about
to
get
out
and
send.
All
members
should
be
sent
out
an
email
relatively
soon
in
the
next
week
or
two
inviting
you
to
a
meeting
with
us
ourselves
over
all
99
members
will
get
an
invitation
to
meet
with
us
in
in
a
way
and
place.
P
We
collection,
so
we
should
have
picked
up
all
those
things,
there's
still
an
opportunity.
That's
the
final
opportunity
to
raise
fundamental
concerns
to
say
well,
I
was
expecting
those
four
streets
to
move
to
Alternative
recollection
the
way
you've
describing
the
streets.
It
is
I'm
a
bit
surprised
to
see
that
isn't
there.
Let's
have
a
discussion
about
that.
I
hope
that
wouldn't
be
the
discussion.
I
hope
we've
picked
up
on
everything.
P
So
that's
the
idea
and
then,
as
you
say,
we'd
Implement-
that
in
in
Autumn
time
across
the
city,
which
will
be
a
very
big
bang
implementation
and
will
be
a
challenge
to
put
it
because
it
will
impact
on
almost
everybody
in
the
city
in
terms
of
their
collection
day
has
been
changed.
So
that's
when
it
should
happen.
The
final
part
of
the
question
was
well:
if
it
slips
anymore,
can
we
not
do
something
in
isolation?
The
first
way
I
learned.
That
is,
we
do
not
want
this
to
sleep
anymore.
P
D
C
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
John
and
in
Crossgates
and
winmore
award.
The
issue
that
I
find
the
most
with
complaints
is
the
bins
which,
when
they're
being
collected,
that
the
then
broken
cracked
or
whatever,
do
you
think
that
the
quality
of
the
bins
we've
got
now
is
not
as
good
as
the
previous
ones
that
we
had.
P
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
that
feedback.
They
shouldn't
be
there's
a
rigorous
procurement
process
in
place.
That
includes
the
standard
that
they
must
reach
an
industry
standard
and
the
contractor
the
one
the
contracts
should
be
providing
bins
that
that
meet
that
standard.
We
do
have
a
team
that
the
small
teams-
you
know
that
that
responsible
for
bin
deliveries
and
as
part
of
that
responsibility,
oversee
the
contracts
and
and
making
sure
the
contract
is,
is
meeting
what
it
should
do.
P
If
you
have
got
specific
concerns
and
examples,
you
can
share
with
me
I'm
more
than
happy
to
work
with
the
team
and
look
at
that
and
say
if,
if
they
share
your
view
and
if
that
won't
be,
the
case
would
need
to
take
that
with
the
contractor.
P
I
have
to
say
at
the
moment
my
response,
probably
I,
don't
I,
don't
think,
there's
evidence
of
that
across
the
city.
But
that's
not
that's,
not
the,
therefore
that
I
wouldn't
look
at
it
and
it's
something
that
maybe
is
a
problem.
I,
don't
believe
it's
a
problem,
but
we
would
deal
with
that
through
the
contracts.
If,
if
you
do
really
think
that's
that's
causing
problems.
C
Thank
you,
I
think,
maybe
on
our
routes
on
a
certain
route,
maybe
we've
got
some
very
active
thin
men
throw
the
bins
around
okay.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
chair
just
to
follow
from
councilor
Ron
tree's
Point
just
recently
came
to
our
attention
that
we
have
a
similar
problem
in
Hyde
Park,
where
the
green
bins
are
getting
collected
monthly,
but
the
black
pins
are
collected
every
two
weeks.
No
problem
is
that,
once
for
whatever
reason
the
bins
have
been
missed.
That
means
that
they,
the
residents,
have
left
worked
another
month
before
they
can
come
back
and
collect
the
green
bins.
So
that's
two
months
and
some
occasions
it
gets
even
worse.
D
Now
the
the
the
whole
exercise
and
the
reason
that
we
want
to
promote
the
recycling
and
the
residents
should
take
a
pride,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
good
residents
who
do
take
pride
in
recycling
and
nothing
having
a
monthly
and
then
waiting
for
Autumn
for
a
review.
I
think
those
words
which
are
affected,
especially,
which
has
led
from
heading
the
height
power,
Berlin
area
and
then
heading
in
Hyde,
Park
and
then
comes
down
to
London
Woodhouse,
not
little
stretch,
I,
think
you've
got
for
some
reason,
every
monthly
collections.
D
If
we
can
have
some
sort
of
meeting
outside
this
meeting
with
yourself
as
a
as
the
three
words,
understanding
and
I
think
address
this
particular
problem
because,
as
I
said,
there
are
very
good
residents
who
really
want
to
work
with
us
to
recycle
Goods,
but
unfortunately
the
window
period
that
they
have
they.
They
can't
do
it.
D
If
you
can
understand
and
also
the
problem,
is
that
once
we
miss
these
bins,
we
don't
these
These
are
the
back-to-back
houses
and
they
don't
have
either
the
Summit
Place
those
bins,
and
then
those
bins
are
ended
upon
Berlin,
Lodge
Road
for
for
months
and
months.
If
you
can
understand
so,
let's
have
a
communication
outside
this
meeting,
with
with
the
correct
reward
members
at
England,
Hyde
Park
in
London,
and
see
that
little
stretch
can
be
addressed.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
couple
of
things:
we're
still
finding
quite
often
that
Miss
collections
are
not
being
reported
on
the
end
of
day
report
and
we're
having
to
chase
them,
and
unfortunately
we
often
don't
get
much
of
a
response
or
a
resolution.
I
I
If
so,
it
might
be
worth
involving
Army
members
as
well,
if
possible
and
finally
I
know
it's
something-
that's
been
raised
with
you
before
and
then
maybe
other
areas
as
well
in
the
outer
parts
of
the
city,
particularly
where
we
have
areas
that
are
vulnerable
to
strong
winds
and
the
green
bins
particularly
blow
over
strewing
waste
where
they've
been
wheeled
up
in
a
bank
and
they
blow
over
and
they're
vulnerable
before
they're
collected.
P
Yeah
I
came
through
the
chair,
probably
something
to
pick
up
outside
the
meeting
in
terms
of
local
issues
with
these
cells
and
apologies
for
any
I.
Think
it's
an
ongoing
issue
to
be
fair.
That
is
reported.
Probably
every
scrutiny
ball
that
I'm
at
in
terms
of
the
the
problem
caused
by
the
lack
of
reporting
of
missed
things
on
the
end
of
the
day
report.
P
I
think
we
all
agree
at
the
end
of
the
day
report
as
a
quality
as
a
as
a
product
has
improved
considerably
over
the
last
few
years
and
provides
really
good
information.
It's
useful
to
yourself
it's
great,
but
you
don't
know
what
you
don't
know
and
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
as
well
as
it
causes
US
problems
as
well,
so
just
to
reassure
again
members.
That
is
a
huge
priority
for
us
in
terms
of
getting
that
right.
P
We
are
investing
in
upgrading
the
in-cap
technology
units
that
so
the
the
into
tab,
tablets
that
are
mobile.
That
will
help
us
considerably
with
making
sure
that
they're
being
used
properly
by
the
charge,
hands
and
making
sure
they're
actually
working
they're.
Currently
most
of
them
are
hardwired.
P
In
and
they
have
been
for
forever-
and
that
is
something
that
has
caused
part
of
the
problems-
it's
not
an
excuse,
but
it
doesn't
help,
but
in
terms
of
US,
changing
and
encouraging
and
supporting
and
where
else
more,
in
a
little
bit
more
insistent
with
with
the
charges
around
recording
the
the
message
so
apologize
for
that.
But
we
are
on
with
that.
P
There
was
a
last
point,
Sorry
Council
around
absolutely
and
I.
Think
in
the
guiseley
area.
We'd
worked
with
a
local
group,
at
least
through
literary,
leads
around
producing
some
stickers
that
could
be
put
on
the
bins
to
encourage
people
in
to
look
out
for
forecasts
of
windy
weather
and
therefore
to
be
thinking
a
little
bit
about
huddling,
the
wings
together
a
bit
for
presentation
and
just
thinking
whether
they
actually
need
to
present
the
bins
on
that
occasion.
P
Other
than
that,
it's
difficult
to
understand
what
the
solution
may
be,
because
we
can't
weigh
down
the
bins.
So
we
did
look
just
to
reassure
you.
We
have
looked
at
those
sort
of
things.
Can
we
provide
heavier
bins,
something
with
a
ballast
at
the
bottom,
something
that
makes
that
so
this?
The
shut
with
some
sort
of
mechanism,
so
we'd
have
looked
at
all
those
things
and
all
those
things
don't
seem
to
be
achievable
and,
and
we've
not
found
anywhere
in
the
country
where
that
happens.
P
A
Thank
you
just
just
for
members
to
note.
If
you've
already
spoken,
I
will
bring
in
other
Members
First
before
I.
Invite
you
to
speak
again.
If
you've
indicated
counselor
Siri.
K
Yeah
good
morning
morning,
John
just
want
to
refer
to
the
page
25.
You
know
the
costs
break
it
down.
I'm,
just
interested
that
if
the
current
ground
green
bin
disposal
costs
are
nearly
a
million
pound,
but
I
just
presume
that
we
we
lured
this
onto
a
field
and
we
allow
it
to
rot.
Naturally,
so
I'm
I'm
wondered
why
it
cost
us
so
much.
But
then,
when
you
compare
it
to
the
city-wide
food
costs
at
the
top
is
like
300
000..
K
But
that's
a
bigger
you've
got
more
teams
more
wagons
as
well,
and
but
the
cost
is
considerably
less
I
just
wondered
how
we
would
dispose
of
the
food.
P
Thanks
Council,
so
we're
looking
at
the
the
current
Garden
waste
costs
and
the
appendix
B,
and
so
we're
looking
at
the
disposal
costs
right,
okay
of
900,
000
pounds
and
the
food
is
like,
and
it
yeah
it's
it's
simply
due
to
the
fact
that
that's
what
the
contract
costs
to
it's,
not
a
cost
neutral
contract
to
dispose
of
the
garden
waste.
That's
what
it
costs
we
provide.
So
this
before
again
the
largest
Garden
waste
collection
service
in
the
United
Kingdom,
217,
000
households.
P
Our
tonnage
is
way
above
any
of
the
accounts
in
the
country,
and
that
is
the
the
con.
The
cost
of
processing,
all
that
and
composting
it,
as
you
say,
and
the
food
is
cheaper
to
process,
because
it
has
a
value
greater
than
the
compost
that's
produced.
So
it
brings
the
cost
down
of
the
processing
bit
of
it,
so
that
so
that's.
Why
is
the
difference?
P
E
Council
McCluskey,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
John,
it's
just
in
relation
to
the
service
review
and
communication
strategy.
How
much
notice
are
we
planning
to
give
residents
of
their
change
of
Bin
days.
P
Okay,
you
can
see
the
shed
we've
got
a
Communications
strategy
developing
at
the
moment,
and
we've
got
some
drafts
of
what
we'll
be
sending
to
Residents
and
just
working
through
those
moments.
Again,
once
we
were
in
a
position
to
share
those
with
members,
we
all
do
because
we'd
like
to
comment
around
that
around
any
suggestions.
You'd
have
to
change
it
and
change.
Some
of
the
wording
we'll
be
looking
within
the
program
to
probably
give
people
it's
the
right.
It's
the
balance.
P
It's
a
bit
like
the
Christmas
change,
especially
done
it
to
far
away,
but
you're,
only
two
near
so
we'll
probably
be
looking
at
two
or
three
weeks
before
that
kind
of.
But
then
what
we've
got
to
bear
in
mind
is
that
it'll
affect
people
on
different
different
parts
of
their
cycle.
So
there's
a
couple
of
counselors
said
in
parts
of
the
city
they're
only
getting
a
one
once
a
month,
collection
of
green
bins
as
it
is.
P
So,
if
you
only
give
two
people
two
weeks
notice,
it
might
be
how
that
falls
in
their
collection
calendar,
but
that
sort
of
period
around
two
or
three
weeks.
We
would
think,
but
again
we're
more
than
happy
to
receive
your
views
on
that
either
way,
but
we
think
that's
about
the
right
medium,
but
we
do
have
a
legal
responsibility
to
to
that's
an
important
point.
We
have
a
legal
responsibility
to
write
to
everybody
to
tell
them
that
it
will
cost
us
and
been
exercising
itself,
but
we
can't
get
around
that.
P
We
don't
want
to
get
around
that,
but
we
can't
get
around
in
terms
of
using
electronic
or
social
media
Communications
as
a
to
avoid
writing
to
people.
Well,
obviously,
do
that
as
well.
L
They
don't
necessarily
take
them
back
to
where
they
are
and
where
there
is
wind,
and
they
accept
that
there
is
a
lot
you'd
have
that
problem
that
the
crews
do
not
put
the
bins
back
from
whence
they
came.
They
always
put
them
back
in
an
approximate
location
for
where
they
came,
and
so,
if
we've
got
four
or
five
or
six
together,
the
chances
are
they'll,
be
split
into
three
separate
groups
by
the
time
they
Cruise.
L
So
we
need
to
then
get
the
cruise
not
to
be
in
such
a
rush
to
get
them
to
get
up
and
down
the
street
and
out
the
road
that
they
need
to
take
their
time.
The
other
day,
for
example,
there
was
only
three
bins
in
my
street
that
were
Brown
taken
out.
My
bin
ended
up
down
the
bottom
of
the
street
because
they
are
the
the
nearest
one
too.
L
P
P
That
was
something
specifically
with
a
local
present
group
and
the
feedback
I've
certainly
had
on
that
is,
is
positive
and
that's
worked
well
and
that
was
a
specific,
almost
Street
I
think
it
was
where
it's
on
a
hill
and
it's
it's
particularly
windy
on
an
incline
and
the
the
people
getting
fed
up
with
the
bins
falling
over
when
they
were
full
and
creating
litter
and
that's
a
very
locally
spoke
problematic
solution.
We've
come
with
and
worked
well
again.
P
I
take
the
point-
and
it's
been
discussed
here
a
number
of
times
around
the
presentation
of
things
back
to
the
place
that
that
they
came
from
and
again
what
I'll
do
is
just
repeat
what
I've
said
before
around
the
work:
we're
doing
with
Crews
through
appraisals
and
through
supportive
meetings
and
then,
if
necessary,
other
stages
around
that
we're
also
working
at
the
moment,
with
corporately
around
trying
to
meet
be
better
at
reducing
obstacles
and
obstructions
on
the
pathway
with
bins
and
we're.
P
Looking
at
developing
some
work
around
that
with
payments
for
people
and
others
around
that,
probably
looking
at
some
kind
of
video
that
we
can
both
use
to
work
with
staff
to
make
it
clearer
to
them
in
a
more
real
way.
The
problems
that
leaving
bins
in
a
in
a
way
that
obstructs
pedestrians,
how
that
affects
people,
but
also
to
let
the
video
spammed
at
residence
as
well,
because
the
problem
isn't
just
about
Crews
leaving
the
bins
in
in
places
that
obstruct
people.
There
is
some
reason
to
do
that
as
well.
P
Q
Thank
you
chair
and
thanks
John
for
the
report
and
just
on
the
communication.
John.
As
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
residents.
Their
English
is
not
their
first
language
and
what
work
is
being
done
to
communicate
with
those
residents
whose
English
is
not
their
first
language.
That's
number
one,
the
other
one
is
legislation
on
bins,
left
on
the
foot
paths
and
because
you
know
the
word:
I
represent
bermantown's
Richmond,
Hill
area,
we've
got
back-to-back
properties,
we've
got
tennis
properties
and
people
do
leave
bins
on
the
foot
path.
P
The
first
one
around
comes
that's
something
we'll
work
with
corporately
colleagues
on
that,
in
terms
of
advice
around
how
we
best
communicate
with
the
different
communities
across
Leeds,
and
obviously
language
is
one
of
those
issues.
But
there
are
other
characteristics
that
being
engagement
needs
to
be
thought
of
in
a
different
way,
so
we're
working
with
with
them
on
that
and
also
very
happy
as
we
move
towards
the
implementation
of
the
new
routes
to
work
locally
with
members
around
any
particular
help.
P
They
can
advice
they
can
give
in
terms
of
making
sure
we're
reaching
all
the
communities
that
we
can
do
so
we're
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
everybody
understands
what's
being
asked
of
them
in
in
terms
of
the
bins
on
the
street.
Again,
it's
something
we've
covered
at
this
this
board
before
in
terms
of
an
inquiry.
P
But
again
enforcement
is
difficult
to
be
honest
in
terms
of
bins
on
the
street,
there
is
legislation
available
in
terms
of
people
obstructing
the
the
pavement,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
prove
and
enforce
so
that
usually
our
way
is
to
try
and
persuade
people.
So,
whether
that's
a
a
letter
dropped
to
the
street
or
an
individual
knocking
on
the
door
or
conversation
with
a
particular
person,
that's
causing
a
problem,
but
in
terms
of
enforcing
it,
proving
that
they
have
put
the
bin
out
they've
left
it
out.
P
It's
there
been
all
that
sorts,
it's
very
difficult
and
time
consuming
and
resource
consuming
and
isn't
usually
the
way
to
sort
it
out
there
is
through
in
certain
parts.
This
is
the
way
of
introducing
the
pspl,
which
does
allow
us
to
well
allow
us
to
we.
We
because
of
that,
have
put
some
extra
resource
into
those
streets.
P
But
again
that
is
an
option
open
to
us
to
look
at
the
SPO
in
an
area
where
it's
causing
a
particular
problem,
but
it
it
has
to
be
accompanied
with
the
additional
resource
to
to
do
it,
because
the
worst
worst
thing
we
can
do-
and
we
do
get
some
comments
around
this
and
the
pspo
areas
or
where
there's
areas
that
think
there's
a
PSP
in
force,
but
we're
not
enforcing
it.
The
problem
that
is
that
problem.
We
raise
expectations
that
something
can
be
solved
with
by
the
English
way.
P
But
then,
if
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
police
it
and
enforce
it,
then
naturally
creates
almost
more
frustration
than
there
was
in
the
first
place,
but
again
I'm
very
happy
to
talk
at
a
local
level
around
specific
issues
and
specific
streets.
Where
that's
a
problem
and
look
at
what
the
solution
might
be
locally.
Q
Briefly,
chair
and
also
John
what
relationships
do
neighborhood
cleaning
team
and
the
waste
management
have?
Because
what
have
tends
to
happen
is
a
cleaning
team
goes
out
in
the
area
cleans
up
the
area
and
then
the
bin
men
come
empty
it,
but
there's
overspill
as
well,
and
also
you
know
it
should
be
other
way
around.
You
know
the
bin
man
should
come
in
the
morning
and
then
the
cleaning
team
should
go
after
what
relationship
do
we
and
what
communication
both
departments
have
and
how
closely
do
they
work
together?
Q
P
Yeah,
that's
an
issue
again,
that's
been
raised
over
the
years
and
something
I
think
we're
a
lot
better
at
doing.
I
think
that
what
we
need
to
be
clear
is
that
it's
not
it's
not
always
that
simple,
so
the
collection
day
for
the
green
bin
and
the
black
bin
and
the
brown
bin
might
be
different
days.
There
might
be
the
part
of
the
areas.
I've
got
a
monthly
green
collection
part.
P
It's
got
a
fortnightly,
all
the
issues
we've
just
discussed,
so
it's
not
just
a
case
of
the
Refuge
come
around
on
a
Tuesday,
so
we
can
always
send
the
cleaning
team
out
on
a
Wednesday.
It's
far
more
complex,
as
you
know,
particularly
in
your
award
Council.
Can
that
than
that?
So
it's
there's
not
an
easy.
Of
course.
Let's
just
get
them
cleaning
the
team
out
after
that
said.
I
know
that,
particularly
in
in
the
inner
East
area.
P
That
is
something
that
the
clean
enabled
scene
that
covers
the
burns
hospital
and
Harold's
award
in
particular,
tries
to
do.
They
have
particular
days
that
they
focus
on
different
parts
of
those
Awards
and
Stuart
Brown.
They
they
they're
a
manager
for
that
area.
I
only
met
with
him
yesterday
to
review
some
of
the
arrangements
and
that's
what
he
tries
to
do
exactly
what
he
tries
to
do
so
he
tries
to
pick
the
day
that
is
the
best
fit
for
being
as
soon
after
the
certainly
the
black
bin
collections
happen
in
in
the
area.
P
So
again,
it's
always
something
so
to
answer
these.
If
I
answer
the
questions,
yes,
we
do
work
across
Services,
Environmental
Services.
In
that
way,
again
part
of
moving
to
New
Market
house
was
to
try
and
get
us
all
a
little
bit
physically,
closer
together
and
work
a
little
bit
more
on
those
types
of
issues.
P
So
that
will
in
itself,
help
help
with
the
sort
of
a
more
natural
way
of
the
services
working
closely
together
and
our
accountability
through
the
community
committees.
In
terms
of
providing
you
with
information
and
reassuring
around
that
coordination,.
J
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning
John
a
couple
of
questions.
J
One
was
following
up
from
councilor
Graham's
point
about
damaged
bins
and
it
was
what's
the
process
around
residents
who
have
a
damage,
been
getting
a
replacement
and
should
they
be
being
charged
for
them
if
it's
damage
caused
by
a
collection
and
the
reason
I
asked
that
is
I've
recently
been
contacted
by
a
resident
who
was
complaining
that
they
were
being
charged
20
pounds
for
replacement
when
the
bin
had
been
damaged.
J
I,
think
after
following
up
from
that,
when
they
did
reply
again,
I
think
it
has
been
replaced,
but
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
process
that
that
was
involved
in
that,
and
the
second
question
was
about
assisted
collections
and
whether
that's
being
taken
account
of
in
terms
of
the
root
reviews
and
obviously
the
the
extra
time
that
they
that
they
take
to
to
get
those
assisted
bin
collections.
Thank
you.
P
P
What's
the
processor
very
quickly,
the
our
20
pounds
had
a
couple
of
actually,
when
he's
now,
charges
for
the
administration
of
providing
replacement,
bins.
I've
just
made
that
technical
point
that
that
it's
not
actually
to
pay
for
the
benefits
to
pay
for
it
to
be
administered
and
delivered.
If
another
green
bin
should
always
be
replaced
for
free
regardless,
if
it's
a
black
or
brown
bin,
the
policy
at
the
moment
would
be
if
we
believe
that
the
damage
was
caused
by
our
crew,
and
usually
that
would
mean
that
they've
reported
it
themselves.
P
That
they've
noticed
that
we've
been
in
the
back
of
the
Lorry
reported
and
then
on
a
new
one
automatic
gets
delivered
all
of
the
returned
and
still
recorded
that,
then
the
the
customer
shouldn't
pay.
The
the
grayish
area
comes
in
where,
when
you
go
online
to
order
a
new
replacement,
then
you
are
asked
that
question.
Do
you
believe
it
was
caused
by
the
council
counseling
effects?
And
if
you
say
yes
to
that,
you
will
get
a
free
replacement
bin
now
now
yeah
exactly
it's
very
difficult.
P
Isn't
it
because,
just
being
brutally
honest
people
always
tell
the
truth
on
both
sides-
and
we
just
gotta-
be
honest
about
that,
so
it
means
that.
But
how
else
do
we
do
it?
Really?
We've
just
got
to
rely
on
people's
honesty
and-
and
we
wouldn't
contest
that
so
I'd
like
to
think
and
certainly
members
that
have
always
come
to
me
asking
for
help.
P
We
tried
to
take
a
pragmatic
view
when
this
isn't
about
trying
to
catch
people
out
and
trying
to
get
our
22
quids
in
and
that,
but
it
is
trying
to
be
as
Fair
as
we
can
be
in
a
process
that
probably
can
never
be
fully
Fair
because
everybody
didn't
always
play
by
the
rules,
but
we
do
try
to
be
pragmatic,
and
so,
if
you
as
members
ever
did
come
to
us
and
said,
look,
we've
got
a
particular
person.
That's
that
that's
adamant.
That's
happened
and
they're
having
a
problem
we'll
deal
with
it
positively,
for
you.
P
P
Assisted
collections
yeah
absolutely
the
root
review
in
terms
of
the
modeling
and
again
I'm
very
happy
to
go
through
if
you
want
how
the
model
Works
outside
of
the
meeting,
but
the
model
builds
in
that's
an
amount
of
time
per
bin
for
normal
bins
for
normal
Collections
and
it
builds
in
an
extra
amount
of
time
for
an
assisted
collection.
And
what
we're
doing
with
this
through
the
root
review
is
revising
the
current
model
to
give
additional
additional
time
for
assisted
collections.
P
I
can't
remember
the
top
of
my
head
what
it
was,
but
it's
something
like
it
was
an
additional
15
seconds
or
something
in
the
old
model
and
we're
we're
increasing
that
to
like
a
minute.
So
it's
like
a
massive
English.
Now
that
doesn't
sound
a
lot,
but
actually
that
memory
is
quite
a
lot
actually
to
go
into
someone's
Drive
pick
a
bin.
Take
it
back.
On
top
of
the
man
was
already
allocated
for
the
bin,
so
we
are
increasing
the
amount
of
time
for
system
collections
by
you'll,
still
remounting
them
yeah
right.
L
D
Chair
I
I
should
have
said
this
earlier,
but
unfortunately
it
just
forgot
to
mention,
even
though
I
did
mention
at
the
full
council
meeting.
Sometimes
we
don't
appreciate
the
the
hard
work
of
our
stuff
work
during
the
during
the
difficult
times.
For
example,
the
students
change
over
where
600
tons
of
unwanted
refuse
was
collected
from
in
a
Northwest
part
of
the
city.
D
So
I
would
like
to
put
this
on
record
John
and
I
hope
that
you
will
pass
it
on
to
to
every
single
person
who
was
involved
in
this
huge
operation
in
in
our
neck
of
the
world,
that
we
really
appreciate
the
work
our
men
and
women
work
on
the
front
line,
and
if
you
remember
back
in
day
when
in
June
July
time,
it
was
really
warm.
The
temperature
went
up
to
26
27
and,
under
those
conditions
up,
our
men
and
women
were
working
to
keep
our
areas
safe
and
cleaner
and
Greener.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
actor,
and
now
it's
counselor
Siri.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
just
a
quick
one
regarding
the
glass
collection
pilot.
Obviously,
when
we
have
the
brown
bin
collections,
sometimes
style
greens
drop
on
the
floor.
Obviously
glass
is
a
bit
more
dangerous.
So
will
the
teams
have
a
brush
and
pant
as
we
put
the
excess?
Sorry.
P
They
certainly
will
cancel
Siri.
We
do
already
collect
glass
from
some
communal
bins
across
the
city,
so
we
have
a
team
that
are
already
used
to
doing
this
when
we
run
the
power.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
compiler
as
well
is
to
really
understand
when
we
roll
it
out
to
probably
what
we
think
at
the
moment.
P
The
model
will
be
through
a
smaller
different
colored
bin
for
glass
that
will
be
collected
monthly,
but
it
will
be
a
bin
that
will
still
attach
to
the
back
of
a
vehicle
and
either
go
up
or
there's
a
top
loading
vehicle
that
most
councils
use
for
glass
and
part
of
it
will
be
to
understand,
is.
Is
that
giving
problems
is
there?
Is
it
I
mean?
Is
the
glass
falling
regularly
out,
and
is
that
causing
a
problem?
How
are
we
dealing
with
that?
P
But
absolutely
that
would
be
the
intention
to
to
make
sure
that
the
crew
responsible,
as
you
say,
we
can
tolerate
a
bit
of
grass
or
a
bit
of
whatever
it
might
be,
but
but
glass
is,
it
has
far
more
consequences
to
to
people
and
that's
the
wildlife.
So
absolutely
yeah
and
that'll
be
part
of
what
we'll
look
at.
We
are
looking
at
trying
to
visit
a
couple
of
councils
that
are
already.
Interestingly,
though,
there
are
many
councils,
actually
that
collect
class
separately.
P
Currently,
when
you
actually
look
from
the
curbside
separately
in
bins,
where
most
councils
do
do
it,
it's
either
it's
mixed
in
another
waste
stream
or
it's
just
do
a
more
container
type
way
throughout
many
councils
that
do
it
through
a
bin,
but
we're
trying
to
find
a
couple
that
we
can
go
and
see
for
exactly
exactly
that
sort
of
question.
What
what
happens.
I
I
That's
been
part
of
the
issue
with
missed
reports,
but
again
something
we're
always
happy
to
work
on.
Thank
you
and
yeah
and
again
to
say
thank
you
for
the
incredible
work
that
is
done,
and
we
often
only
see
when
it
goes
wrong.
Thank
you.
P
Thank
you
against
the
chair
briefly,
Community
Committee
is
very
happy
to
accept
that
invitation
and
come
in
September
and
again
for
anybody
else
in
terms
of
only
the
Community
Committee
is
always
very
happy
to
attend,
whether
it's
at
the
subgroup
or
the
community
itself.
Perhaps
this
paper
that
I
presented
today
could
be
shared.
Maybe
so
please
do
contact
me
if
you'd
like
me
to
come
to
any
of
your
community
committees
and
I
think
that's
again.
I
mentioned
before
about
through
the
route
with
you.
P
P
We
want
to
get
better
at
being
and
build
that
bigger
capacity
in
which
is
difficult
for
our
staff
to
be
able
to
have
a
a
better
relationship
with
yourself,
a
closer
relationship
with
yourself,
I
think
that
does
work
a
lot
of
the
time
and
but
it
often
depends
on
the
particular
member
staff,
and
we
want
to
embed
that
as
just
something
that
we
encourage
and
do
more
I
think
refuge
service
historically
has
been
a
very
sort
of
it's
delivered,
city-wide
and
it's,
but
it
it
was
designed
like
that.
P
So
to
be
fair
on
the
the
staff,
they
don't
got
that
time
or
capacity
to
have
that
engagement,
but
it
does
happen
and
and
I
know
that
I'm
sure
looking
under
the
wheel,
you'll
all
have
had
times
when
it
was
happening.
When
we
do
talk
about
right
well
and
often
members
will
say
to
us
well
sweet:
do
they
the
league
foot
drop
then
to
tell
people
to
stop
parking
on
the
street?
Would
it
be
better
going
through
us?
Do
you
want
it
to
come
for
you?
P
So
we
have
those
discussions
at
a
local
level,
but
yeah
I
agree
the
more
we
can
do
with
that.
The
better.
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
issues
I'd
like
to
raise
myself
Mr
Bowman
first
is
we've
discussed
the
glass
collection
pilot
and
that's
on
page
19.,
and
we
did
have
a
very
short
discussion
prior
to
the
meeting
with
a
couple
of
the
members
of
the
board
who
are
in
the
wards
which
have
been
identified
by
you
to
receive
such
a
trial.
A
However,
the
information
in
here
is
very
well,
it's
very
imprecise
in
terms
of
when
such
a
pilot
is
expected
to
commence,
and
when
it
is
due
to
report,
the
council
did
introduce
another
waste
pilot
for
food
waste
that
pilot
lasted
over
a
decade
and,
to
my
recollection,
we
still
haven't
had
an
evaluation
of
it,
so
that
we
can
actually
draw
any
conclusions
of
that
decade-long
experience
in
terms
of
informing
our
future
policy.
A
The
second
issue
I'd
like
to
raise
is
I,
went
back
to
the
waste
strategy
for
the
city,
which
was
delivered
in
2019,
which
might
not
have
been
when
you
were
around
Mr
Wilmer,
because
the
report's
author
was
Helen
Freeman,
but
the
executive
member
was
the
same,
and
in
that
there
were
tensions
mentioned,
which
are
current
tensions
as
well,
which
is
obviously
that
you're
awaiting
government
specification
around
what
they
were
going
to
do
about
their
waste
policy,
but
also
that
you
wished
to
have
an
emphasis
on
reducing
waste
in
the
first
place,
so
that
the
emphasis
wasn't
always
on
tonnages
for
recycling.
A
A
Isn't
it
and
I
just
think
it
will
be
useful
at
a
future
meeting
if
some
of
the
initiatives
that
were
mentioned
in
that
paper
could
be
reported
back
to
us,
because
that
was
a
an
engagement
process
for
the
city
rather
than
just
having
a
conversation
with
defra
around
their
requirements
and
how
we
might
respond
to
that.
And
then.
Lastly,
you
mentioned
in
the
paper
the
issue
around.
A
Even
once
we
decide
what
we
want
to
do
around
our
new
Waste
Management,
the
Practical
difficulties
around
the
procurement
of
plant
and
in
particular
vehicles,
which
is
going
to
be
an
issue
not
just
for
us
as
a
council,
but
also
others.
A
P
Thank
you
chair,
so
three,
three
main
questions
so
absolutely
glad
the
glass,
the
glass
pilot
we
need
to
learn
from
I
I
hesitate
to
call
it
the
food
pilot
because
it
kind
of
power
the
last
10
years.
I.
Take
that
point.
I
think
we
do
need
to
learn
from
that,
both
in
terms
of
being
clear
about
how
we're
going
to
evaluate
the
Baseline
and
Gathering
Baseline
information.
P
Looking
at
information
that
goes
along
and
being
able
to
make
an
informed
decision
at
the
end
of
it,
whether
this
is
the
best
way
forward
and
what
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
practicalities
that
Council
series
talks
about.
So
in
order
to
do
that,
what
we've
done
is
made
sure
that
we've
commissioned
some
work
to
look
at
getting
a
good
Baseline
in
place.
So
we've
done
some
exercises
around
in
the
wards
where
we're
proposing
to
roll
out
the
pilot.
P
Already
we've
looked
at
some
of
the
composition,
analysis
of
the
bins
that
are
in
those
Wards
black
and
green
beans,
don't
somewhat
glasses
already
in
those
bins.
P
So
it
can
then
go
back
and
measure
the
impacts
and
we've
got
that
company
booked
in
every
six
months
now
to
come
in
and
do
that,
work
in
those
areas
and
also
we're
gathering
information
in
terms
of
local
banks
that
primarily
feed
those
areas
and
again
we'll
be
looking
at
bringing
that
together
in
terms
of
Baseline
information,
so
that
kind
of
does
it
work,
they're
kind
of
look
into
the
pilot
distribution
that
that
will
be
a
key
part
of
the
work
I'm
more
than
happy
to
bring
that
information
back
through
this
board
at
a
later
date.
P
But
that
will
also,
as
councilor
say,
we
just
point
out
that
it
is
around
practicalities
as
well,
so
it
isn't
just
about
tonnages
and,
and
hopefully,
more
glass
being
recycled
than
is
currently
residual
recycled.
It
is
around
the
practicalities
of
so
what
will
it
mean
when
we
roll
it
out?
How
much
noise
does
it
make?
What
are
people's
views
on?
That
is
the
spill
glass
that
the
grooves
are
picking
up.
So
all
that
will
be
part
of
the
pilot,
the
trail
and
part
of
the
evaluation
that
will
be
brought
back.
P
The
second
point
I
think
I'll
probably
make
around
that-
is
that
it
we
are
in
a
different,
a
slightly
different
place
than
when
the
food
pilot
started.
In
that
we
know,
there's
legislation
now
already
passed
by
government.
That
says
we
will
need
to
collect
glass
from
the
curbside,
so
we
know
we're
going
to
have
to
do
it.
The
only
way.
The
only
thing
we
don't
know
is
the
nuances
of
what
we're
allowed
to
do,
how
that
would
would
pan
out
city-wide
and
the
funding
attached
to
that
and
the
commencement
date
for
that.
P
But
we
know
unless
things
change,
that
that's
that's
the
current
law,
so
there's
a
difference
there
in
terms
of,
hopefully
we're
showing
people
that
we
won't
be
sat
here
in
10
years
time
with
the
glass
pilot
still
in
Pilot
stage,
because
I
think
that's
part
of
what
you're
you're
trying
to
highlight
at
the
councilor.
So
so,
hopefully
that
reassures
in
that
one
exactly
so
I'm
very
happy
to
bring
back
through
this
board
any
any
work
around
the
pilot
in
terms
of
time
scales.
P
Some
of
the
practicalities
around
that
the
crew,
the
the
vehicle
that
we
will
use
and
making
sure
there's
got
everything
in
place
and
critically
working
with
Ward
members
around
which
area
it
will
be
and
we're
doing
some
work
at
the
moment
with
other
authorities
like
I,
say
it's
limited
in
terms
of
comparing
apples
with
apples
with
authorities,
but
a
key
part
of
the
process
of
the
glass
panel
will
be
creatively
creating
the
roots
and
just
very
quickly
just
give
you
an
idea
why
why
that's
such
an
issue?
P
We
we've
got
to
go
out
to
a
group
of
people
to
first
of
all,
we
think
to
say:
do
you
want?
Do
you
want
this?
Explain
what
it
is.
Do
you
want
a
blue
been
a
purple
thing,
whatever
it's
going
to
be,
you
don't
have
to
have
one
that
made
that
really
clearly
emphasizes
the
doctor.
Don't
have
to
have
one,
so
we
don't
know
what
the
take
or
create
will
be.
So
we
don't
know
how
big
the
area
needs
to
start
with
and
then
within
the
take-up
rate.
You'll
have
a
presentation
rate.
P
So
if
we're
saying
that
we
can
do
routes
that
are
around
a
thousand
bin
collections
a
day,
we
don't
know
whether
we
should
be
writing
to
2
000
people
to
offer
that
too.
So
we
need
to
do
some
work
around
that
and
be
careful
around
that
and
work
with
war
members
around
that
carefully,
because
when
we
do
start
it,
even
though
it's
a
trial,
we
want
to
get
as
much
right
as
possible.
P
In
the
first
place,
we
don't
want
the
child
to
be
making
it
up
as
we
go
along
making
Corrections
we
want
it
to
be.
You
know,
as
much
as
we
can
agree
is
the
right
way
to
do
things
and
then
learn
from
it.
So
that's
why
we
are
being
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
not
more
precise
at
the
moment,
but
we
are
committed
to
get
this
pilot
up
and
running
in
this
year
and
we'll
work
like
I,
say
with
World
members
over
the
coming
months
around
that.
But
we
need
to
get
it
right.
P
Reducing
waste
in
the
first
place,
absolutely
right.
A
chair
so
I'm
very
happy
to
come
back
to
a
future
meeting
on
that
and
focus
on
that
round.
Reuse
and
reduce
absolutely
really
welcome
that
and
the
vehicle
procurement
absolutely
a
huge
issue
in
terms
of
facing
all
councils,
and
that
is
an
issue
that
the
LGA
have
raised
and
laraq
who
the
organization
that
coordinate
a
lot
of
the
council's
responses
to
consultation.
P
Both
those
organizations
have
fed
back
to
defra,
as
we
have
individually
that
that
very
issue
and
in
the
the
council
for
meetings
that
definitely
have
been
hosting
over
the
last
few
months.
That
issue
is
raised
again
and
again
around
it's
a
national
capacity.
It's
not
even
National.
It's
an
international
capacity
issue
in
terms
of
the
producers,
the
manufacturers
of
vehicles.
P
We
currently
have
about
an
18-month
leading
period
from
Raising
orders
to
delivery
and
that's
without
the
the
new
requirements
being
in
place
yet
so
it
will
be
a
huge
issue,
but
ultimately
it's
not
something
that
we
can
particularly
do
anything
with
ourselves.
It's
a
national,
if
not
like
I,
say
an
international
supply
and
demand
issue.
P
We
hope
that
those
conversations
are
because
it's
been
raised
for
quite
a
while
now
are
happening
with
the
manufacturing
industry
around
that,
but
the
the
added
complexity
around
that
is
the
is:
is
a
developing
industry
around
the
fueling
of
vehicles
like
that.
P
So
there
is
the
availability
and
we're
getting
the
delivery
of
the
first
electric
vehicles
next
year,
but
that
brings
loads
of
other
issues
with
that
with
it
being
a
developing
technology,
particularly
with
hgv
size,
vehicles
are
out
and
and
again
perhaps
anyone's
interested
to
come
and
see
me
outside
the
meeting.
But
there
are
loads
of
complexities
around
that
around
the
the
information.
P
If
the
infrastructure,
the
charging
infrastructure
for
such
size
vehicles-
and
that's
not
just
about
your
Depot
or
your
local
place,
you're
literally
plugging
into
it's
about
the
the
load
capacity
where
that
Depot
or
place
sits
so
there's
a
cost
at
the
Depot
in
terms
against.
But
that's
all
that's
no
good,
if
there's
only
three
megawatt
capacity
within
that
of
leads
or
whatever
it
might
be.
P
So
there's
very
huge
issues
not
just
about
the
actual
vehicles,
but
what
type
of
vehicle
and
what's
going
to
be
available,
but
absolutely
it's
gonna
be
a
huge
issue
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
say
in
report
and
what
I'd
say
here
is
that
in
reality
no
one
can
see
and
even
the
death
for
officials
will
be
talking
to
whether
that
be
formal
or
informally.
There
is
no
way
that
the
2025
day
would
be
achieved
if
that,
if
that
still
doesn't
get
pushed
back
more,
which
I
suspect
it
would.
P
What
will
have
to
happen
is
it
will
be
a
period
of
time,
probably
between
20,
25
and
2030,
where
death
we
will
agree
separately,
presumably
with
the
councils
about
their
implementation
plan
to
get
to
a
point
they're
meeting
the
legal
requirements.
That's
the
only
way
it
can
be
done,
not
just
for
the
reasons
you've
highlighted
there,
but
all
lots
of
other
infrastructible
and
just
recruitment
issues
around
LGB
drivers.
You
know
we
were
looking
in
what
I
presented
in
the
report
is.
P
If
we
went
for
separate
class
and
separate
food
collection,
just
to
be
clear,
we're
not
proposing
that
at
this
moment,
but
that's
if
you're
crystal
ball
and
that's
probably
where
it's
being
pushed
towards
that's
at
the
moment
for
the
extra
vehicles
and
40
extra
Crews
across
at
least,
and
we
only
we
send
out
about
70
75
a
day
at
the
moment.
So
it's
a
it's
a
massive
increase
and
that's
replicated
across
much
other
country.
So
it
is
huge.
It's
great!
P
A
Well,
I
think
that's
particularly
suitable
notes
upon
which
to
end
our
queries
with
you,
Mr
Walmer.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
information
about
today.
Obviously
we'll
be
seeing
you
very
soon.
Won't
we
in
terms
of
reviewing
the
budget
and
whatever,
because
quite
a
lot
of
this,
as
you
pointed
out,
has
budgetary
implications
and
thank
you
for
answering
our
questions
today.
A
There
are
some
officers
here
that
weren't
here
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
for
the
interests
of
those
who
are
on
the
board,
but
also
those
people
who
are
viewing
on
the
webcast.
Can
we
please
have
some
introductions
from
members
of
the
community's
team.
R
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
I'm,
Paul,
money
and
I'm,
the
chief
officer
in
the
surfer,
stronger
communities,
team.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
already
know
the
executive
member
is
here,
that's
councilor
Harland.
So
would
you
like
to
introduce
the
item
Please
Mr
Money.
R
I
didn't
think
it
was,
but
it
may
well
have
been
having
just
seen
what
Becky
did
there
thanks
very
much,
and
and
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
introduce
the
the
the
the
paper
which
I
will
assume
members
have
had
the
opportunity
to
read
the
Community
Committee
review,
links
to
work
being
done
across
the
council
in
a
number
of
areas,
principally
I,
guess
in
terms
of
the
best
city,
ambition,
refresh
strategy,
and
also
there
are
links
with
the
the
most
recent
local
government
Association
peer
review,
which
reported
towards
the
back
end
of
last
year
last
calendar
year.
R
Well,
we're
basically
looking
to
optimize
the
way
that
we
work
and
engage
with
local
communities
in
a
number
of
areas.
Members
will
be
really
recognize
the
fundamental
role
that
Community
committees
play
with
regards
to
to
those
arrangements,
as
I
say.
We're
really
grateful
for
the
support
that
the
board
and
panel
members
may
be
able
to
provide
in
terms
of
this
review
moving
forwards.
R
With
regards
to
the
review,
as
well
as
some
detail
in
terms
of
how
we
propose
to
take
that
particular
work
forward,
principally
in
relation
to
a
number
of
workshops,
but
some
fairly
significant,
as
you
would
expect
consultation
widely,
both
with
regards
to
elected
members
in
the
city
and
with
officers
working
in
support
of
the
community
committees,
not
just
from
within
my
team
but
across
the
council
and
of
course
also
the
the
public
in
terms
of
public
engagement,
so
I
will
I
will
pause
there
other
than
to
just
just
suggest
that
consideration
is
given
to
the
proposal
around
a
cross
scrutiny.
R
Member
Workshop
that
we
think
would
would
be
helpful
in
terms
of
you
know,
optimizing
the
the
review
that
we're
undertaking
We've
also
some
thoughts
chair
in
terms
of
the
role.
This
specific
scrutiny
board
can
take
kind
of
moving
forwards
and
would
propose
that
we
reconvene
with
this
scrutiny
board
periodically
throughout
the
duration
of
the
review.
Hope
that's
helpful.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Opening
up
to
members
who'd
like
to
ask
questions
of
the
team.
F
Thank
you
chair.
Something
occurred
to
the
you're
reading
through
the
report
and
the
terms
of
reference
and
the
scope.
That's
been
defined
quite
sort
of
content
with
what's
there,
but
it
struck
me.
F
One
thing
that
wasn't
covered
was
the
question
of
Community
Committee
boundaries
and
are
they
in
the
correct
place
and
yeah
what
constitutes
a
a
neighborhood,
and
that
is
that
something
that
could
be
reviewed
as
part
of
this
process
I'm
going
to
think
that
if
we're
doing
a
fundamental
route
review
of
community
committees,
that
is
some
sort
of
germane
to
it.
R
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
I
I
I'm
not
aware
that
that
the
the
boundaries
are
within
the
scope
of
the
review.
Obviously
it's
it's
interesting
feedback
to
get
something
that
we
can.
We
can
look
at
again,
but
the
scale
and
scope
of
the
review
is
detailed
in
there
and
you
write
to
identify
the
fact
that
that
is
not
included
at
this
present
time.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
really
think
it
ought
to
be
considered.
It's
I
mean
we've
recently
gone
through
parliamentary,
a
review
of
parliamentary
boundaries.
There
are
periodic
reviews
of
local
government
Awards
things
change
over
time,
and
there
is
also
I
think
a
tie-in
to
to
the
existing
Parliament
sort
of
existing
parliamentary
barriers
and
how
they'll
be
changed
and
what
implication
that
will
have
for
communities
like
who's.
Your
MP
are
the
things
you
want
to
work
on
with
your
own
B.
F
N
Yeah
we're
happy
to
take
that
away,
but
it's
not
something
that
we
had
considered
but
happy
to
take
that
away,
but
seeing
as
our
being
Selby,
hopefully
my
m
p
will
be
in
Selby
at
the
end
of
today,
and
hopefully
it'll
be
a
level
one,
but
we'll
take
that
away.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
As
chair
I
thought
it
was
worth
introducing
a
few
issues
on
behalf
of
members.
That
I
think
would
be
worthwhile
clarifying
in
the
proposals
that
you've
got
in
your
paper.
A
So
in
paragraph
three,
the
report
says
under
the
leadership
of
the
environment,
Housing
and
Community
scrutiny
board
a
cross-party
scrutiny.
Working
group
will
be
formed
which
will
involve
representatives
from
other
scrutiny
boards.
Now
the
membership
of
that
is
equally
distributed
across
those
scrutiny
boards
and
it's
chaired
by
the
executive
member.
So
in
what
way
does
this
scrutiny
board
lead.
R
Picture
what
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
are
returning
to
this
scrutiny
board
to
provide
regular
updates.
R
We're
particularly
thinking
about
updates
from
the
workshops
that
are
detailed
in
the
report
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
and
assume.
It
will
be
helpful
to
to
members
here
to
share
some
of
the
developing
thinking
that
that
is
emerging
from
those
workshops
which
will
hopefully
help
shape
and
direct
the
review
in
terms
of
timetables.
R
We
think
probably
the
first
opportunity
to
to
to
come
back
to
this
group,
as
a
suggestion
would
be
before
Christmas,
when
we
should
hopefully
have
undertaken
at
least
two
of
the
the
workshops
that
are
referenced
as
well
as
engaging
with
local
officers
as
I
described.
So
that
would
be
the
suggestion
chair,
but
very
happy
to
take
any
feedback
in
terms
of
whether
that
works
for
this
scrutiny
board
or
whether
there's
any
other
considerations.
We
maybe
should
be
thinking
about.
A
R
That's
that's
not
what
I
intended
to
portray
and
if
I
did
so
I'd
I'd
clarify
that
point.
We
we
have
worked
with
this
particular
security
board
on
a
number
of
of
reviews
over
a
number
of
years,
and
and
always
to
my
knowledge
anyway,
always
received
really
helpful
feedback
and
and
support
in
terms
of
steering
this
review
and
and
helping
ensure
that
the
community
Arrangements
moving
forwards
are
as
effective
as
they
can
be.
R
They
haven't
been
reviewed
for
a
significant
period
of
time,
but
would
very
much
see
this
scrutiny
board
as
being
instrumental
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
that
we're
getting
the
best
from
this
review.
R
N
Harland
I
think
our
bringing
this
to
this
scrutiny
ball
in
the
first
instance
shows
the
respect
that
we
have
for
this
part
I've
served
on
this
board
myself.
We've
worked
with
the
previous
chair
on
on
these
things
and
I
think
as
I
say,
bringing
this
to
the
this
this
board.
In
the
first
instance,
we
always
appreciate
you
are
a
critical
friend,
we're
happy
that
the
report
is
quite
comprehensive,
but
we're
happy
to
the
workshops.
This
is
the
start
of
the
journey.
N
The
workshops
will
be
where
the
nitty-gritty
is
boiled
down
to,
and,
of
course,
we
would
love
you
to
take
part
in
those
workshops
and
probably
chair
one
of
some
of
those
workshops
anybody
can
join.
We
want
all
99
counselors
to
be
involved
because
it
is
a
root
and
Branch
apart
from
the
ones
that
we've
not
taken
into
consider
it.
D
I
really
welcome
this
review
been
sucked
as
a
as
a
I
mean
served
as
a
as
a
chair
for
many
many
years
as
a
as
a
community
committee
chair
in
in
the
Northwest
and
I
think
cancer
Holland
is
absolutely
right.
It's
an
opportunity
where
members
will
have
the
opportunity.
All
99
of
us
will
have
the
opportunity
to
reshape
the
the
scrutiny
board.
D
It's
sorry
the
Community
Committee
board,
because
if
you
remember
chair
that
the
whole
idea
of
the
Community
Committee
area
committee
and
back
in
the
CIT,
the
idea
was
to
give
the
democracy
and
the
P,
so
people
can
have
a
say
in
their
own
localities,
their
own
areas.
So
I
really
welcome
this
particular
review
and
I'm
sure.
The
new
members
will
appreciate
that
this.
D
This
is
an
opportunity
for
them
to
take
of
where
some
of
us
who
have
served
in
this
Council
for
many
many
years
we
have
seen
so
many
changes,
and
especially
after
the
pandemic,
it
gives
us
the
opportunity
now
to
reach
start
and
and
reshape.
So
Paul
is
a
good
report.
Let's
all
work
together
and
and
for
the
benefit
of
our
local
residents
that
we
serve
and
let
let
them
have
the
sale.
So
thank
you.
I
Thank
you
chair
just
again,
coming
back
to
paragraph
three
something
we
discussed
briefly
beforehand.
The
recommendation
that
chairs,
who
also
sit
on
a
scrutiny
board,
be
given
priority
as
a
chair,
I'd,
actually
like
it
to
be
as
wide
as
possible.
It
may
be
that
others
have
slightly
different
opinions
just
to
make
sure
we
have
as
many
members
as
possibly
encouraged
to
join
in
and
be
involved
rather
than
us
be
given
priority,
where
we're
already
probably
more
heavily
integrated
in
the
process.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you
for
that
that
observation
and
to
be
fair,
chair,
you
will
recall
making
a
similar
observation
in
the
chairs
brief
in
terms
of
the
paper
we
we
would
propose
to
proceed
in
the
way
that
you've
described
actually
there's
just
that
small
error
in
section
three,
where
we've
not
redacted,
that
particular
entry,
but
we
picked
that
feedback
up
already
and
we'll
proceed
in
that
way.
A
Well,
it's
encouraging
you
take
on
board
feedback,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
concerned
about
actually,
is
that,
as
with
scrutiny,
all
parties
participate
with
parity
of
esteem.
A
G
If
I
might
answer
that
chair,
so
first
of
all
we're
going
to
offer
briefings
to
all
the
party
groups,
individual
briefings
so
to
allow
different
vices
to
be
heard
and
different
opinions
to
be
expressed.
Some
of
some
of
those
opinions
may
not
may
not
align
with
with
other
political
views,
so
we're
going
to
invite
each
of
the
the
chairs
of
the
the
leaders
of
the
groups
to
have
a
private
briefing
with
me.
G
A
parlor
both
of
us
we'll
also
be
will
be
arranging
for
the
workshops
to
be
taking
place
on
the
morning
of
full
Council
here
in
the
city
hall,
to
allow
as
much
engagement
as
possible,
given
that
all
99
councils
will
already
be
in
in
the
Civic
Hall
in
the
afternoon,
we've
already
got
sessions
book
the
Civic
car
Bank,
routine
Suite
booked
for
the
first
couple
of
those
sessions.
G
So
we
Our
intention
is
we're
quite
happy
as
well,
outside
of
this
meeting,
to
take
any
feedback
from
committees
around
how
we
might
engage
with
VR
with
the
members
members
of
your
committed
to
regular
attendees
of
your
our
committees
and
also
about
any
groups
that
you'd
like
us
to
consult
with
locally
in
terms
of
how
they
engage
with
the
Committees
and
how
they
think
that
they
might
benefit.
We
genuinely
want
this
to
be
as
Broad
and
as
open
and
as
transparent
as
we
possibly
can.
A
A
D
I
absolutely
understand
what
you're
saying
chair,
but,
on
the
same
note,
the
the
officers
have
given
us
the
opportunity
now.
Surely,
if
the
99
councilors
cannot
attend
the
full
council
meeting,
they
normally
are
80
plus
counselors.
Now
all
of
us
have
been
elected
as
a
representatives
of
our
communities.
Now
this
is
a
crucial
point.
I
mean
giving
time
for
our
own
local
residents.
D
Some
of
us
have
spent
a
lot
of
times,
and
many
of
you
spend
many
hours
of
of
the
day,
but
I
think
this
is
crucial,
even
though
some
people
might
not
be
able
to
to
to
attend
those
sessions,
but
the
opportunities
will
be
there
and
that's
that's
the
bit.
I
think
people
need
to
understand
and-
and
thank
you
once
again-
Paul
and
sorry
Liz
yeah
Liz,
and
for
for
for
coming
up
with
this
idea
of
having
a
full
council
meeting
and
I.
Think
many
members
will
take
the
opportunity.
L
The
clarification
point
on
the
attendance
by
the
scrutiny
members:
are
you
expecting
the
security
members
to
come
along
to
argue
from
their
particular
scrutiny
board's
perspective,
or
are
you
looking
for
them
to
come
along
with
an
independent
mind,
so
I
mean
so?
In
other
words,
are
they
there
to
represent
themselves
their
group
or
the
scrutiny
board
in
terms
of
the
views
that
they're
expressing,
because
most
of
us
are
probably
quite
capable
of
separating
the
result,
the
rules
out
so
which
is
it
that
you're
expecting
so
the
two
people
from
here
they're?
L
The
two
people
from
here
basically
have
to
find
out
our
views
first
of
all
and
then
come
along
and
feed
them
in,
or
are
we
effectively
saying
to
those
people,
you're
free
to
say
whatever
you
like
argue,
whatever
point
you
like,
or
should
they
be
putting
a
strictly
hat
on
and
saying?
Well,
this
is
going
to
affect
the
environment
side
of
this
or
the
housing
side.
Because
of
that
which
is
it
it's
not
that
I'm
arguing
by
the
way
I'm
just
looking
for
clarity.
R
Thanks
councilman
I
guess.
R
The
short
answer
in
some
respects
to
that
is,
is
all
of
that
really
now
we're
really
interested,
obviously
in
the
perspective
from
the
respective
scrutiny
boards,
but
we
will
be
and
and
intend
to
engage
us
as
cancer
act
has
really
outlined
really
as
as
much
as
we
can
with
all
99
members,
but
want
to
get
as
many
different
perspectives
as
we
possibly
can
in
the
spirit
of
what
Liz
has
talked
about
in
terms
of
the
the
thoroughness
and
the
transparency
of
the
approach
that
we
intend
to
pursue.
R
So
it
really
is
kind
of
all
of
that,
but
in
terms
of
scrutiny,
we're
looking
for
perspectives
from
all
scrutiny
boards
across
the
council
as
part
of
that.
A
Okay,
well,
we
look
forward
to
engaging
with
you
councilor
Harland,.
N
A
A
For
the
interest
of
those
watching
on
the
webcast,
the
referral
is
associated
with
the
potential
dangers
of
radon
gas
and
once
councilor
Dixon
has
offered
his
perspective
and
reasons
for
referral.
We
will
then
have
a
short
discussion
with
officers
whose
experience
is
in
the
areas
of
Housing
and
health.
S
Okay,
thanks
for
inviting
me
today
to
talk
about
this
issue
of
I
know.
Hopefully
everyone's
read
the
document
I've
provided
prior
to
today.
S
It's
an
issue-
that's
been
flagged
up
to
me
by
residents
in
Leeds
and
I.
Just
didn't
want
it
to
be
one
of
those
issues
that
gets
overlooked
and
before
we
know
it's
too
late.
So
that's
the
reason
I'm
flagging
it
today,
so
radon
gas.
S
S
Those
are
documents
said
you
probably
read
it.
It
tells
you
a
bit
more
in
depth
about
the
risks
to
health
and
it's
said
to
have
an
impact
on
cancer
and
soft
tissues
in
the
body
and
it's
fun,
radio
radioactivity.
So
obviously
it's
a
bit
of
a
concern
for
us
all
that
this
is
flying
around
in
our
city,
the
exposure
levels
I
provided
some
maps
which
you
may
see
later
on
in
the
document.
S
The
range
across
the
city,
but
you'll
probably
find
the
the
main
concerns
are
in
areas
for
me,
like
personally
my
own
Water,
Midland
Park,
but
also
pretty
much
most
of
the
south
and
east
of
the
city
and
not
excluding
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well,
and
so,
according
to
the
UK
radon
website,
it
it
is,
is
very
harmful
from
increased
exposure,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
to
flag
flag
it
up
because
I
want
us
to
understand
if
anybody
is
at
risk
or
if
we
are
within
the
parameters
to
not
cause
a
concern
and
I
want
everyone
to
be
reassured
that
we
are
I
suppose
so.
S
It
was
done
quite
a
lot
of
research
regarding
this
since
the
death
of
a
family
member
from
ovarian
cancer,
so
testing
by
Yorkshire
water
dilated,
the
increase
above
normal
of
radiation
in
the
drinking
water
to
that
property,
and
this
was
flagged
with
a
public
health
department
for
leads,
and
the
advice
was
highlighted.
That
leads
had
a
plan
to
handle
radon
gas,
but
so
not
to
worry
about
people.
So
this,
according
to
this
resident,
turned
out
late
at
very
responses
from
environmental
information
requests.
S
Other
time,
friends
are
being
correct,
and
this
resident
felt
that
when
our
plan
was
in
place
across
the
city
to
handle
or
deal
with
radon
gas
as
a
public
health,
author
testing
was
then
reluctively
carried
out
by
officers
and
advised,
and
they
believed
there
was
no
need
to
test
further
following
a
freedom
of
time
framework
testing,
as
suggested
by
UK
radon.
This
reported
levels
conclusion
of
179
Peak.
S
S
Because
it's
not
just
Molly.
That's
the
issue.
Obviously
there's
more
detail
in
this
football
I'll.
Let
you
read
through
and
probably
I've
recently,
but
one
of
the
concerns
in
this
report
for
me
was
a
number
of
council
houses
affected
in
my
own
Ward,
there's
over
3
000
of
them
and
we're
at
top
of
the
list,
according
to
the
British
Geological
Survey
and
the
second,
the
sorry,
the
third.
So
the
top
is
middle
and
then
second
is
Belial
buff,
which
are
in
my
ward
and
Molly's.
S
S
S
To
a
conclusion,
yeah,
so
yeah
I'm,
just
asking
today
that
obviously
under
the
Housing
Act
2004,
we
are
responsible
for
the
tenants
in
our
properties,
and
this
is
the
reason
I'm
flagging
it
today
to
make
sure
that
we
are
insurance
safety
of
those
tenants.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
We've
already
got
the
executive
member
introduced
herself
earlier
Council
Lennox,
but
we
also
have
other
officers
who
are
from
the
Housing
section
of
the
council,
but
also
from
Public
Health.
If
you'd
like
to
introduce
yourselves
and
then
I
might
perhaps
invite
Gerard
Tinsdale
to
start
the
comments
from
those
officers.
T
Thank
you,
chair
and,
and
thanks
for
the
information
that
you've
just
shared
there
Council
addiction,
the
information
we've
received
from
the
UK
Health
secretary
agency
suggests
the
risk
is
low
in
the
city,
but
we
want
to
take
a
lead
role
in
confirming
this
position.
T
I've
got
Adam
with
me
who
leads
in
this
area
I'm
going
to
pass
over
to
Adam
now,
which
will
just
give
you
a
little
bit
more
information
about
the
testing
that
we're
doing
and
I
think
I,
also
just
kind
of
like
a
little
bit
of
clarity
around
the
parts
per
million
in
terms
of
where,
as
an
authority,
it
would
be
considered
a
risk
to
health,
and
at
that
point,
when
action
levels
should
actually
be
considered,
it's
not
pass
over.
So
I
can.
Thank
you.
U
Thank
you,
Jake
thanks,
councilor,
Dixon,
yeah,
I,
think
I.
Think
the
first
thing
I'd
say
is
radon
gases
is,
is
clearly
not
just
a
a
risk
in
leads.
U
It's
It's
a
UK
wide
and
there
are
certain
areas
of
the
country,
particularly
in
South
Wales,
the
southwest
of
the
country
where,
where
it's
a
significant
higher
risk
than
than
in
Leeds,
there's
little
by
way
of
data
or
information
about
to
support
any
concern
that
it's
a
high
risk
in
Leeds,
but
that
be
that
empirical
of
or
anecdotal
information,
but
but
equally,
that
doesn't
allow
us
to
then
prove
that
the
risk
is
low
in
leads
so
back
to
Gerard's
Point.
U
That's
that's
something
that
we're
really
Keen
to
do,
and
we
have
in
consultation
with
the
UK
Health
Security
Agency,
formerly
Public,
Health
England
developed
what
we
see
as
a
robust,
yet
proportionate
approach
to
to
testing
right
across
the
city
and-
and
there
are
a
few
anomalies
in
the
in
the
information
that
you
provided.
That
I
would
just
like
to
clarify.
U
You
made
reference
to
52
000
homes
being
been
potentially
at
risk.
Around
45
000
Council
homes
are
in
the
lower
abandoning
of
less
than
one
percent
risk
category.
That
effectively
means
no
risk,
so
there
are
9136
in
either
the
one
to
three
percent
risk
category
or
three
to
five
percent
they're,
the
lowest
two
risk
categories
within
within
the
radon
gas
assessment,
the
highest
being
above
30
as
we're
seeing
those
areas
that
have
previously
previously
made
reference.
U
So,
although
the
information
that
we
have
and
we
have
commissioned
an
advanced
assessment
through
the
the
UK
Health
Security
Agency-
that
that's
that's
actually
the
information,
that's
that
you've
provided.
That's
that's
our
information
that
we
did
provide
on
request
of
approving
Information,
Act
and
happy
to
do
so.
Transparency
and
openness
has
always
been
our
our
approach.
As
far
as
this
matter
is
concerned,
the
9300,
sorry
936
properties
are
the
properties
that
we
are
testing
purely
in
terms
of
numbers.
U
As
you
correctly
point
out,
middle
and
Belle
Isle
are
at
the
at
the
top
of
the
list
there,
but
they're
within
the
the
one
to
three
percent
risk
category
area,
Morley
being
in
the
three
to
five
percent
risk
category.
So
so
in
terms
of
the
the
the
pure
numbers
I
accept
that
third
in
the
list,
but
it
is
a
higher
risk
area,
albeit
it's
still
a
relatively
low
risk.
It
is
the
higher
risk
area.
So
in
consultation
with
with
UK
Health
Security
Agency,
we
we've
developed
our
testing
methodology
and
program.
U
That's
that's
been
one
of
a
better
term,
endorsed
by
the
UK
Health
Security
Agency
and
is
now
underway.
So
our
testing
program
is
not
limited
to
to
Molly
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
it's
just
starting
in
Morley,
because
that's
the
the
highest
risk
area
in
terms
of
both
radon
rating
and
and
volume.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Don
did
you
have
any
comments
to
make
on
the
issue.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
couple
of
things
really
just
just
to
say
that
we
are
working
really
closely
with
the
UK
Health
Security
Agency
National,
radon
sale,
who
are
advising
all
of
the
steps
that
we're
taking
within
the
council
and
a
couple
of
other
points
to
clarify.
Really
that
radon
is
one
one
of
the
gases
within
our
environment
that
impacts
on
health.
H
So
there
are
lots
of
other
things
that
impact
on
our
health
and
and
particularly
on
our
respiratory
Health
other
things
that
would
impact
our
smoking
and
and
smoking
obviously,
is
our
biggest
cause
of
lung
cancer.
We
and
but
the
evidence
does
suggest
that
where
people
are
exposed
to
radon
for
very
long
periods
of
time,
very
high
levels
of
radon,
that
can
increase
your
risk
of
lung
cancer,
but
the
main
cause
of
lung
cancer
is
smoking
still
in
this
country.
H
However,
we
are
taking
this
very
seriously
as
a
council
working
with
our
colleagues
in
housing
and
with
the
UK
Health
Security
Agency,
we're
taking
a
very
we.
We
do
believe
and
has
been
validated
by
a
UK
Health
Security
Agency,
a
sensible,
measured
approach.
That's
proportionate,
as
colleagues
have
said.
We
have.
H
We
have
areas
within
the
city,
as
do
lots
of
other
places,
places
within
the
country
that
have
three
to
five
percent
risk
of
radon
being
around
in
the
environment
and
what
we're
doing
is
is
doing
that
further
testing,
more
information
became
available
in
December
of
last
year,
which
you
provided
some
maps
and
the
information
that
became
available
in
December
was
a
much
more
granular
version
of
that.
So
we
can
really
understand
where
we
can
be
more
targeted
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
and
colleagues
are
doing
within
housing.
H
So
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
taking
a
stepped
proportionate
approach
and
then
we
will
be
able
to
take
action
if
we
need
to
and
just
one
other
point
I
did
do
some
some
work
with
colleagues
within
the
UK
Health
Security
Agency
and
public
health
colleagues
within
the
council,
just
looking
at
lung
cancer
rates,
particularly
within
the
areas
that
we're
discussing
and
currently
with
the
data
that
we
do
have
available.
Looking
at
a
population
level,
both
kirkstall
Morley
and
some
of
the
other
areas
identified,
are
not
outliers
for
lung
cancer.
But
we
are
very
Vigilant.
D
Yeah,
if
I
can
just
ask
contradiction,
I
mean
there
are
many
channels
that
we
can
use
as
elected
members
in
this
in
this
Authority.
What
was
the
reason
for
bringing
it
to
the
scrutiny
board
rather
than
directly
to
the
to
the
housing
or
to
the
health
sector,
because
I
feel
that
if
every
time
and
that's
with
respect
chair
every
time,
we
somehow
raise
an
issue
with
us
as
elected
members?
Are
we
going
to
bring
it
to
the
scrutiny
board?
D
S
D
So
you've
raised
it
with
the
with
with
the
Departments,
and
then
you
wanted
a
bigger
audience,
but
bigger
audience
to
me
is
if
I
was
a
independent,
counselor
I
would
raise
the
full
council
meeting
and
and
see
if
the
exact
board
can
respond
to
your
to
your
queries,
I
mean
I'm,
not
having
a
dig
at
you,
but
I'm.
Just
trying
to
get
my
own
head,
rounded
I
mean
in
future.
D
If
someone
raise
an
issue
which
affects
many
of
my
local
residents,
do
I
need
to
bring
it
to
the
scrutiny
board
or
do
I
need
it
to
the
counsel
or
I
mean.
Can
you
understand
it
might
be
an
education
for
me
as
a
someone
who
might
be
losing
touch
basically
so
I'm
just
trying
to
learn
from
yourself?
Why,
when
you
raise
it
at
the
full
council
meeting
rather
than
bringing
to
the
scrutiny
board,
yeah.
S
It's
not
because
some
focused
on
how
it
affects
Council
tenants.
So
this
is
the
bot
to
bring
it
to
yeah.
I
admit
the
full
Council
would
have
been
another
one,
but
it
would
have
been
very
difficult
as
a
small
group
to
get
to
get
that,
but
it's
full
Council
anyway.
A
Thank
you,
Council
actor.
Thank
you,
counselor
Dixon,
any
other
questions
from
board
members.
A
Okay,
just
to
clarify
the
formal
aspect.
Cancer
Dixon
obviously
brings
it
to
the
attention
of
scrutiny
and
it's
up
to
the
scrutiny
chair
to
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
discussion.
A
A
So
members
do
have
the
information
with
them
in
the
papers,
the
actions
that
were
mentioned
by
officers
I,
don't
recall
that
being
part
of
the
documentation
which
is
here
so
the
question
we
need
to
ask
at
this
meeting
is:
do
members
at
this
stage
feel
that
this
should
be
an
area
that
we
take
up
for
inquiry,
or
would
they
prefer
to
have
some
further
information
from
officers
about
what
they
will
be
doing
as
part
of
their
operational
duties
to
investigate
this
issue
before
deciding
that
it
required
a
wider
investigation?
A
One
of
the
things
that
would
be
useful,
of
course,
is
understanding
what
whether
or
not
other
local
authorities
have
pursued
similar
investigations
around
radon,
because
I
do
appreciate
that
some
parts
of
the
country
because
of
geology
radon,
is
a
bigger
issue
for
them
in
terms
of
presence
in
properties.
So
I
think
that
that
would
be
useful
for
me
anyway.
As
a
chair
to
understand
what
value
we
could
add
in
leads
through
scrutiny
at
this
first
instance
though,
but
we
need
to
have
some
indications
from
Members
about
how
they
feel
counselor
Stables.
J
It
sounds
to
me
I
understand
that
there
is
a
concern
around
radon
chords,
but
it
sounds
to
me
as
if
the
the
housing
department
and
the
officers
who
have
responded
today
have
got
a
clear
plan
and
procedure
and
process
in
place
in
order
to
evaluate
what
the
risk
is
and
I
think.
That's
personally
I
feel
like
that's
where
we
need
where
we
need
to
go.
J
We
need
to
have
a
clearer
understanding
of
where
we're
at
really
in
terms
of
what
the
actual
risk
is
and
the
scale
of
it,
and
it
sounds
to
me
that
the
process
is
already
in
place
and
it
would
be
good
to
get
an
understanding
of
how
long
that's
going
to
take
the
scale
of
it
and
when
we
will
hear
back
and
then
let's
get
that
information
back
and
then
make
a
decision
from
that
information
as
to
whether
we
take
it
forward
or
not.
F
Thank
you
yes,
I'm
in
the
support
of
the
the
option
that
you
outlined,
and
what
councilor
Stables
has
said
that
I
think
it
would,
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
some
more
more
information
about.
The
testing
has
gone
all
right
from
what
to
what
the
offers
about
the
officers
said
this
morning.
There's
nothing
that
leaps
out
at
me
that
says
that
we've
something
is
fundamentally
going
wrong
with
level
of
process
it's.
F
It
sounds
like
it's
being
approached
in
the
right
way
in
consultation
with
national
authorities.
It
would
be,
it
would
be
good
to
know
about
to
go
a
little
bit
more
I.
Do
think
your
your
suggestion,
chair
about
checking
in
with
other
local
authorities,
is
a
good
one.
I
would
suggest,
and
particularly
thinking
of
the
local
authorities
in
the
south,
west
and
I
guess
it's
a
big
city.
F
Plymouth
is
probably
probably
be
a
good
place
to
start
as
a
sort
of
a
big
city
like
ourselves
in
an
area
where
they
do
have
like
a
a
well-known
higher
incidence
of
Ryden
and
the
country
as
well.
Definitely
one
worth
looking
at
yeah,
okay,.
K
That's
a
Siri.
Thank
you,
chair
I,
think
it's
it's
a
bigger
issue
for
the
whole
city
and
we
should
be
just
focusing
on
social
housing
attendance.
You
know
it's
for
all
residents,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
worth
going
out
to
a
different
security
or
a
different
area,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
just
focus
our
energy
on
on
social
housing.
Tenants.
A
Mr
Crampton,
you
nodded.
U
Yeah
thanks
councilor,
sir.
It
is
something
that
we
absolutely
have
discussed
because
of
the
the
scale
of
the
council
housing
in
the
city,
we're
keen
to
use
that
as
a
baseline,
in
order
to
to
gather
that
that
data
from
which
we
can
then
engage
with
public
health
colleagues
about
the
The
Wider
implications
for
for
other
tenures
within
the
city.
A
A
Yes
and
I
think
we
feel
that
a
report
would
be
very
useful
for
us
in
terms
of
giving
an
evaluation
of
the
investigations
that
you've
had
and
perhaps
adding
some
of
that
detail
that
we've
had
through
discussions
today
in
terms
of
comparison
with
other
authorities
and
and
then
when
that
report
comes
back,
we
can
then
decide
whether
or
not
it
merits
further
scrutiny.
O
Thank
you,
I
just
really
wanted
to
to
say,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
for
the
officers
to
explain
the
sort
of
proportionate
response
that
they
are
taking
to
the
to
you
know,
given
the
testing
and
the
monitoring
that
will
happen
with
vigilance,
as
was
explained,
I
think,
is
an
appropriate
response
to
the
to
the
detailed
assessments
that
have
been
done
about
the
risk
in
the
city.
So
it's
work,
that's
already
started
and
I'm
sure.
Obviously
the
board
has
come
to
a
decision
about
what
they
happen.
O
What
they
want
to
happen
next,
but
I
think
I
just
want
to
underline
that
I
think
my
feeling,
when
this
is
brought
to
my
attention,
is
that
the
action
plan
is
there
and
the
response
is
proportionate
to
the
risk
that
we've
been
presented
with.
A
M
Can
just
ask
them
to
no
program
I'll
pick
up
the
items
that
I've
already
been
highlighted
for
future
scrutiny
today
and
if
I
can
just
draw
members
attention
to
two
invitations
that
have
gone
out
this
week
in
relation
to
budget
consultation
and
all
scrutiny,
member
briefing
remotely
in
September
on
the
21st,
with
Victoria
Bradshaw
and
then
a
board-specific
budget
consultation
session
on
December
the
15th.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
we're
all
noting
the
date
of
the
next
meeting
and
thank
you
for
your
tenants.
Yeah
meeting
closed.