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A
B
Right
welcome
to
the
March
meeting
of
the
scrutiny
board,
environment,
housing
and
communities.
This
is
the
last
planned
meeting
of
the
year
and
I'll
say
something
about
that.
At
the
end,
the
reason
I
say
planned
meeting
is:
if
something
comes
on
the
exact
borders
on
is
something
called
in.
Then
we
would
need
to
meet
to
discuss
that,
but
unless
anybody's
bringing
anything
contentious
to
the
next
exact
word
meeting,
then
will
be
okay,
so
right-
and
this
just
to
note
that
this
meeting
has
been
webcast
and
if
there
is
anyone
listening
in
welcome.
B
What
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
just
invite
all
the
board
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
to
can
also
remind
everyone
to
just
wave
at
me
if
you
need
to
speak
so
I'm
cancer,
Barry,
Anderson
I
represent
Adeline,
wharfdale
and
I'm.
The
chair.
H
Hello:
everyone
good
morning,
councilor
asking
Council
for
Burma
Johnson
Richmond,
Hill
Ward.
I
Morning,
everybody,
my
name,
is
Katie
dye,
I'm
councilor
for
killing,
Beckham,
seacroft
and
I'd
just
like
to
say
thank
you
to
councilor
Anderson
for
inviting
me
today
because
I'm
not
officially
a
member
of
this
board,
but
I
do
do
chair
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee.
So
that's
why
I'm
here!
Thank
you.
B
K
Ed
Carlisle
counselor
for
Hanson
Riverside.
Thank
you
for
whoever
brought
the
donuts.
B
It
is
Becky
Atherton,
who
is
the
scrutiny
advisor?
No,
yes,
so
in
respect
of
the
buttons,
if
you've
not
already
had
a
bun,
there
is
a
bond
courtesy
of
councilor
Smith.
It
is
her
birthday
today.
Now
I
am
not
suggesting
that
we
know
Boston
to
is
I'm
the
one
with
the
microphone
and
I.
Don't
think
you'd
want
to
hear
me
leading
singing
But,
congratulations
on
another
birthday
and
thank
you
for
the
ones
so,
okay
Tash
over
to
you.
B
Six
is
the
minutes,
everybody
happy
with
the
minutes
to
subscribe
back,
and
you
can
remember
that
good,
so
they're
approved.
So
in
that
case
we
are
now
over
under
item
seven
of
the
principal
item.
Today.
The
only
item
today,
which
I
felt
was
appropriate
to
give
as
much
time
as
we
possibly
can
to
this,
because
there's
none
of
us
who
aren't
affected
by
climate
change
in
some
description,
so
you've
got
as
I
was
saying
in
the
pre-meeting.
B
You've
got
zealots
here
and
you've
got
people
who
are
still
on
their
way
to
meeting
the
accepting
climate
as
a
problem
that
we've
got
it's
something
that
affects
us
on
a
daily
basis.
B
If
you
look
at
the
issues
in
the
report,
housing
that
affects
all
of
us
and
affects
our
residents,
the
food
strategy,
well
we're
on
a
good
debate
about
food
just
to
when
it's
the
right
time
to
eat
a
hearty
breakfast
and
whether
it's
best
to
teach
it
last
thing
at
night,
so
Foods,
obviously
vitally
important
to
us,
as
is
transport
in
this
city
as
well.
So
with
that
can
I
invite
Holly
and
counselor
die
to
be
introductory
to
Marx.
B
J
It's
been
a
bit
of
a
week,
I'm
delighted
to
be
here
today.
This
is
a
formidable
report.
It's
at
incredibly
impressive
and
the
first
vote
of
Thanks
goes
to
Polly
and
her
incredible
team
for
not
only
putting
this
report
together,
but
for
doing
all
the
work
that
the
report
actually
details,
I
mean
you
can
see
from
the
sheer
side
of
it.
Just
you
know.
J
J
The
way
Leeds
fits
in
the
global
market
and
how
it
affects
and
how
the
global
market
affects
leads
as
well,
but
it's
also
about
climate
justice
as
well,
and
our
energy
security
and
making
homes
affordably
warm
and
and
as
well
as
decarbonizing.
All
those
extra
benefits
that
you
get
from
this
decarbonization
work.
J
So
since
May
has
done
extraordinary
work
with
the
with
seaac
and
has
really
has
been
and
I
believe,
will
continue
to
be
a
huge
support
for
the
work
that
I'm
endeavoring
to
do
and
probably
in
the
team
would
endeavoring
to
do,
and
it's
it's
really
to
have
that
challenge
and
Council
die
is
a
challenge
to
us
and
that's
fantastic,
but
to
know
that
it's
that
critical
friend
that
she's
incredibly
supportive
of
the
work
they're
doing
and
the
way
that
she
chairs
to
see
Yak
as
well
is
is,
is
outstanding.
L
Thank
you,
so
I
won't
go
through
the
report
in
depth
because
it
could
take
a
while,
so
I'll
just
give
I
suppose
a
few
highlights
in
terms
of
the
the
direction
of
travel
really
positively.
We've
been
internationally
recognized
with
the
carbon
disclosure
disclosure
project
and
the
actual
application
that
we
put
in
for
that
is
attached
as
an
appendix,
and
one
of
the
recommendations
of
the
report
is
that
going
forward.
L
We
start
to
synchronize
our
exec
board
report
with
those
submissions
to
try
and
minimize
the
sort
of
amount
of
times
we're
kind
of
producing
the
data.
So
we
can
really
focus
on
delivery
and
we
have
been
really
successful
with
funding
and
grant
funding.
So
we
I
think
we
use
the
start
over
sort
of
three
years.
We
get
about
100
million
and
we're
on
track
to
get
that
again
this
year.
L
Lots
of
things
that
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
about
publicly
yet
but
already
starting
to
equate
up
to
those
numbers,
which
is
great
I.
Think
the
one
thing
that
we
all
have
to
recognize
is
grant
funding
has
a
role
to
play,
but
it's
certainly
not
going
to
be
the
key
part
in
terms
of
of
meeting
Net
Zero
and
one
of
the
the
big
successes.
I
think
last
year
was
really
starting
to
work
with
the
private
sector
and
starting
to
work
with
the
prime
minister's
Business
Council
starting
to
look
at
actually.
L
That
work,
which
is
great
and
and
also
we've,
been
working
closely
with
West
Yorkshire,
combined
Authority.
Looking
at
how
we
put
in
place
things
like
a
housing
Hub
so
that
actually
there
are
places
for
people
who
are
prepared
to
put
their
own
money
and
who
can
see
the
business
case
who
want
to
make
the
houses
more
energy
efficient.
L
Actually,
there
will
be
routes
to
information,
so
all
of
that
development
Works
happening
and
for
me
that's
going
to
be
a
step
change
for
us
as
a
city
and
and
so
last
year
we
really
focused
I,
suppose,
probably
more
inwardly
on
the
council
in
terms
of
energy
and
energy
strategy.
The
work
on
that
still
carries
on
last
year
was
really
challenging
from
from
an
energy
I
have
responsibility
for
buying
energy
as
well,
so
I've
had
a
few
sleepless
nights
over
the
last
12
months,
and
but
actually
it's
so
we're
still
carrying
on
with
that
work.
L
We
also
focused
quite
heavily
last
year
for
the
first
time
on
adaptation.
We
also
brought
last
year
later
on
in
the
year
the
adaptation
report
and
again
this
report
covers
some
of
that
further
work,
that's
gone
on.
We
had
our
first
ever
cross
Council
workshop
on
adaptation,
asking
services
to
start
to
look
into.
Actually
what
does
the
climate
change?
That's
already
locked
in
mean
for
you,
the
heat
waves
we
experienced
last
week
last
year
last
week,
not
quite
but
you
know,
how
will
we
actually
deal
with
those
as
Services?
L
L
So
all
of
that
work
is
now
ongoing
and
and
this
year
this,
the
report
focus
is
probably
more
on
housing,
starting
to
look
at
that
Net
Zero
housing
plan
and
and
also
kind
of
brings
the
work
on
food
to
a
conclusion
in
the
sense
of
getting
to
a
point
of
a
final
strategy,
so
that
then
goes
much
more
into
action
and
delivery,
and
so
I
stop
there
because
then
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
It.
B
Is
an
extensively
comprehensive
report
when
I
was
getting
of
my
normal
briefing
on
it
a
it
was
because
of
Polly
having
to
do
other
things
elsewhere
in
the
world.
Recently
she
wasn't
necessary.
I
I
couldn't
believe
the
size
of
the
report
and
the
extensive
nature
of
it
when
it
was
sent
through
to
me
at
the
weekend,
I
think
it
was
like
a
a
copy
of
it,
and
this
is
probably
one
of
the
most
comprehensive
reports.
B
We've
probably
had
to
this
committee
that
and
I
said
that
was
respect
to
our
housing
colleagues
and
waste
colleagues,
that
this
is
a
very
detailed
report
and
that,
if
it's
not
in
here
then
I'd
be
surprised
because
most
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
because
we're
meeting
we're
making
inroads
there
is
no
doubt
we
are
making
inroads,
whether
we've
broken
through
and
into
the
hearts
and
minds
of
everybody
in
the
city.
Yet
I
don't
know.
B
M
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
one
part
of
your
your
your
outline
of
the
report.
Polly,
you
said
you've
had
some
sleepless
nights,
worrying
about
energy,
for
the
hundreds
of
people
watching
and
for
my
own
benefit.
How
does
the
council
secure
its
energy
because
obviously
I
go
to
compare
the
market
or
whatever
and
I
go
into
a
contract
Etc
it
sounds
like
we
buy
energy
on
a
do
we
I,
don't
know
you
know.
Could
you
explain
how
the
council
gets
its
energy.
L
So
yeah
there's
an
energy
strategy.
We
we
don't
enter
into
a
contract
for
the
year
ahead.
We
don't
have
a
fixed
price.
We
do.
We
have
a
balanced
risk
strategy,
it's
probably
a
scrutiny
board
unto
itself
in
all
honesty,
but
at
a
high
level
we
buy
at
different
points
so
that
the
reason
being
that
if
we
buy
10
this
week
and
then
the
energy
markets
really
change
in
three
months
time,
we
we
haven't
over
committed
at
any
one
point.
L
So
you
end
up
with
a
blended
price,
but
we
buy
four
years
up
to
four
years
in
advance,
and
so
what
that
meant
during
last
year's
energy
crisis,
we
had
hedged
probably
about
80
by
the
time
that
hit,
and
so,
although
it
still
had
a
massive
impact
on
our
budgets,
nowhere
near
as
much
as
it
had
across
a
lot
of
other
local
authorities
and
other
organizations,
and
so
it
allowed
us
to
weather
the
storm
a
little
bit
better.
L
H
Thank
you,
chair
and
Pollies.
Thank
you
for
a
fantastic
report.
I'm
very
thorough
report
as
well
I've
got
two
questions.
One
is:
how
confident
are
we
to
achieve
the
Target
by
2020,
2013
and
what's
plan
to
be,
and
then
I've
got
follow-on
questions.
L
So,
for
the
council's
own
sort
of
Escape
scope,
my
confidence
levels
are
higher,
I
still
couldn't
say
100,
because
it's
still
dependent
on
individual
buildings
and
Technology.
But
fundamentally
we
are
on
a
good
trajectory.
We're
online
I.
Think
things
like
electricity,
I
feel
confident
about
getting.
Every
single
building
off
gas
is
going
to
definitely
be
more
of
a
challenge
and
also
with
our
Fleet.
L
There
are
challenges
because
some
of
the
fleet
may
not
be
available
by
2030,
so
things
like
some
of
the
heavy
Goods
or
some
of
the
really
sort
of
specialist
vehicles,
but
I
would
say
we
will
be
a
good
chunk
of
the
way
through
for
the
city.
I
think
the
picture
is
more
challenging
and
because
there
are
things
we
can't
influence
as
heavily.
So
you
know
we're
obviously
doing
things
like
the
local
plan,
refresh
where
you
know
so.
New
development
you
build
will
start
to
come
through
more
in
a
more
environmentally
friendly
way.
L
L
We
are
impacting
as
much
as
we
can
where
we
can
influence
we're
doing
that,
where
we
can
work
with
government
to
try
and
encourage
changes
in
policies
or
or
different
ways
and
I
think
that's
what
I
was
describing
at
the
beginning
that
work
with
sort
of
Lloyds
and
things
like
that
is
trying
to
take
control
of
a
situation
that
really
isn't.
We
don't
have
Believers
and
policies
but
trying
to
find
ways
to
influence
and
speed
up
as
much
as
we
can.
H
And
it's
great
to
read
that
as
a
council,
we
are
the
largest
electorate
vehicle
Fleet
that
we
acquired
in
the
city
of
Leeds
and
that's
really
positive.
You
know
we're
on
the
track
and
we're
going
the
right
direction
when
you
said
that
grants
it.
You
know
there
are
some
deprived
areas
in
the
city
of
Leeds,
where
energy
efficient
those
properties
not
suitable.
H
Is
there
any
funding
for
those
properties
and
I'll
give
you
an
example:
I'm
really
grateful
about
the
pipes
the
just
heating
has
come
in
in
Lincoln
in
the
world,
I
represent
it's
one
of
the
most
deprived
world
in
the
city
of
Leeds
and
when
I
do
visit
our
constituents
around
Lincoln
Green
now
before
it
is
be
called
dump.
Now
it's
really
warm
houses.
You
walk
into
that's
registry
heating,
it's
really
accessible
for
local
people
and
that's
really
appreciated.
By
and
one
example,
I
was
doing
well.
H
I
was
in
the
area,
and
I
spoke
to
one
of
the
residents
on
Shakespeare.
They
had
the
external
installation.
What
they
said
to
me
was
we
never
put
the
heating
on
this
winter
and
that's
good
to
hear
so.
They're
saving
a
lot
of
money-
it's
you
know,
so
they
can
spend
more
money
on
food.
So
that's
really
positive
and
we've
got
plans
to
insulate.
You
know
other
parts
of
the
buildings,
at
least
the
council
and
yeah.
That's
it.
L
So
quite
often,
even
when
we
get
grants,
we're
really
limited
about
who
we
can
offer
them
to.
We,
we
obviously
always
Target
Finance
at
areas
where
we
know
there
is
higher
levels
of
deprivation.
We
I
feel
a
bit
like
I'm
talking
sort
of
a
bit.
You
know
a
sort
of
restricted
way
because
we've
got
so
many
sort
of
funding
streams.
We're
just
not
allowed
to
talk
about
in
the
minute.
But
there
are
other
funding
streams
that
I
think
will
come
online
soon
and
but
again
they
will
have
criteria.
L
They
will
be
limited
to
whether
you
meet
those
criteria
and
but
there's
not
just
grants
for
those
in
fuel
poverty.
We
do
have
things
like
the
green,
green
homes,
green
doctors,
in
terms
of
being
able
to
go
and
do
the
sort
of
low
level
interventions
and,
and
one
of
the
exciting
things
that
we're
just
looking
to
trial
at
the
moment
actually
with
our
social
housing
is
a
new
device
that
actually
has
the
potential
to
save
it,
about
360
pounds
on
energy
and
water
bills,
and
it's
actually
quite
a
low
cost
item.
L
So
it's
already
been
trialled
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
There's
this
vast
research
on
it.
But
we've
we've
been
offered
the
opportunity
to
implement
that
across
some
of
our
social
housing,
and
once
we
get
that
research
back
as
well,
then
we've
got
the
opportunity
to
actually
kind
of
put
that
out
without
sort
of
private
sector
housing
because
actually
would
be
something
that's
affordable
for
for
a
lot
of
people
to
invest
in
you're,
talking
a
couple
hundred
pounds
and
having
quite
a
big
impact.
H
Last
one
it's
lovely
to
be
here
in
this
building:
actually
it's
been
hooted
by
our
district
heating,
so
it's
it's
nice
and
warm
as
well.
My
final
question
is
about
the
consultation
and
working
with
local
schools
and
organizations.
H
What
work
are
we
doing
to
encourage
and
educate
our
citizens
and
leads.
L
So
we
have
a
few
stands
and
things
that
we
have
our
standard
website.
Twitter
account
newsletter
that
go
out,
and
we've
also
done
a
number
of
face-to-face
events
this
year,
where,
where
primarily,
where
we've
been
invited
to
sort
of
climate
events
and
things,
and
we
have
when
we
first
declared
the
climate
emergency
back
in
2019,
we
did
a
lot
I
think
we
did
about
80
to
90
face-to-face
events
across
the
city.
The
the
challenge
we
have
is
resource.
L
In
terms
of
that
sort
of
face-to-face
engagement,
there
is
actually
quite
a
lot
of
material
available
for
school,
so
we
did
some
work
in
terms
of
sort
of
publicizing
that
pushing
that
out
through,
like
leads
for
Learning,
and
we
have
supported
so
things
like
the
universities
have
all
come
and
asked
us
to
support
various
different
courses.
Trinity's
asked
us
last
week
to
go
help
them
with
a
two-week
work
experience
program.
L
I
Thank
you.
Yes,
just
just
adding
to
that
that
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
Partners
such
as
third
sector
organizations
and
local
climate
groups,
to
work
with
schools
and
I.
Think
it's
it
is.
It
is
a
massive
priority
for
us,
because
you
know
young
people
have
got
the
climate
that
they're
going
to
face
the
problems
for
a
lot
longer
than
a
lot
of
us
sitting
here.
I
So
some
of
the
things
that
are
happening
locally
are
education
packages.
In
fact,
I've
just
been
in
a
meeting
with
a
group
this
morning,
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
get
kind
of
quick
things
into
schools.
I
mean
those
of
us.
Who've
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
in
schools
or
know
how
busy
it
is
and
how
difficult
it
is
to
try
and
get
initiatives
into
schools
where
everybody's
focused
on
the
the
school
priorities.
So
we're
looking
at
kind
of
a
lesson
in
a
box.
I
That's
something
that
that
a
group
has
been
working
on.
We've
also
been
looking
at
some
climate
competitions
and
we've
also
been
working
with
the
voice
and
influence
team.
Who
came
to
a
seaac
to
talk
to
us
about
some
of
their
work
with
young
people
and
to
look
at
how
that
we
can
bring
all
those
things
together
but
make
it
really
easy?
And
when
we
had
our
youth
Summit,
we
invited
members
of
Polly's
team
and
it
was
really
successful.
I
I
So
that's
that's.
Just
a
snapshot
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
success
will
be
working
with
partners
because,
as
Polly
said,
you
know,
the
resources
in
the
team
within
the
council
are
are
stretched,
but
there's
a
lot
of
support
with
third
sector
organizations
who
would
be
happy
to
work
locally.
So
does
that
give
you
a
bit
more
information.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
Chad,
just
to
build
on
that
I've
personally
gone
out
to
a
couple
of
primary
schools
and
in
the
South
and
the
in
the
eastern
city
and
seacroft,
because
the
children
have
invited
me
and
written
written
to
me
and
I'm
very
happy
to
do
that.
It
takes
me
back
to
my
teaching
days
and
so
I
really
quite
enjoy
it.
But
it's
and
I
know
that
councilor
dye
would
be
more
than
happy
with
that
as
well.
J
So
and
the
young
people
are
very,
very
engaged
and,
and
teachers
are
using
it
as
part
of
I
actually
got
approached,
they
wrote
to
me
as
a
persuasive
writing
exercise
so
that
and
to
improve
that
it
was
a
literacy
class.
Really
it
was
an
English
class,
but
building
in
that
that
climate
and
then
it
builds
upon
that
as
well,
but
also
we're
doing
the
food
strategy
as
schools
were
involved
from
the
very
beginning.
In
fact,
it
came
from
the
school
to
have
two
days.
J
J
Part
of
our
strategies
is
not
to
just
consult
with
them,
not
to
just
educate
them,
but
actually
to
involve
them
from
the
from
the
very
beginning
and
again,
with
the
green
jobs
and
working
very
closely
with
leads
to
College
building
Lead
City
College
around
their
food
and
and
they
were
very
involved
in
the
food
strategy
as
well,
but
in
terms
of
the
skills,
the
trades
that
we're
going
to
need
in
the
future
working
very
closely
with
these
City
College
and
college
are
building
and
apprenticeships
and
the
apprenticeship
fair
that
we
had
recently
as
well
heavily
involved
in
that.
J
So
in
terms
of
children
and
young
people.
You
know
it's
don't
want
to
get
sloppy
about
this,
but,
as
counselor
said
that
I
said
you
know
when
we're
pushing
up
daises,
as
my
granddad
would
say
they
they
will
be
dealing
with
the
effects
of
what's
Happening
Now.
B
I
was
a
meeting
well,
I'll,
be
honest.
I
was
in
a
meeting
with
Hillary
Ben
at
the
weekend,
and
he
was
talking
about.
He
very
rarely
gets
any
invites
from
local
Authority
schools.
He
gets
invites
from
private
schools
to
come
in
and
talk,
and
he
was
just
asking
me
if
I
got
invites
and
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
something
general,
but
we
need
to
find
a
way
of
getting
into
our
schools
to
be
able
to
talk
to
people
because
it
seems
to
be
very
patchy.
His
view
was
he
he.
B
We
were
talking
to
young
people
how
to
engage
more
with
the
political
system,
and
he
said
he
would
love
to
go
in
and
talk
to
the
schools,
but
he
never
gets
invited
and
he
doesn't
want
to
be
seen
as
trying
to
force
a
political
agenda
by
saying
your
MP
wants
to
come
in
and
talk
to
you,
whereas
if
it
was
the
reverse
of
the
schools,
I
don't
know.
If
there's
anything,
we
can
do
to
try
and
get
more
schools
to
do
it.
I
mean
I'm,
not
too
bad
in
my
area,
but
he'll.
J
I
know
that
Notre
Dame,
absolutely
love
Hillary
I,
know
that
there
are
sixth
form
college
and
I'm
a
governor
there
and
and
that
he
really
enjoys
going
in
there
and
maybe
he's
talking
about
primary
school.
So
but
I
know
I,
know
rmp,
Richard,
Bergen
and
I
know
other
MPS
go
into
schools.
J
Quite
a
lot
actually
yeah
gold,
primary
and
so
and
I
I
get
invited
at
the
school
I
mean
it
was
really
lovely
to
go
over
to
a
Westside,
because
I
don't
often
get
over
to
that
part
of
the
city
you
know
being
in
these
seeds.
J
Girls
myself,
you
know
it's
and
they
invited
they
invited
me
in
so
maybe
as
us
as
are
the
governor's
server
service
service
could
something
they
could
put
out
in
their
newsletters
at
MPS
and
counselors
are
very,
very
happy
to
go
into
school
to
talk
about
whatever
they
want
to
talk
about.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
particularly
political.
J
Does
it
I
mean
climate
is
a
political
issue,
but
it's
not
you
know
it
shouldn't
be
a
political
football
and
it
should
be
something
that
we're
all
happy
to
talk
about,
and
there
are
other
issues
like
that
that
you
know
but
engaging
and
finding
out
what
a
counselor
does
as
well
and
how
the
local
political
system
works.
I've
been
into
schools
to
do
that
again
in
seacraft
I
think
seacraft
office
very
heavily
like,
and
that
was
yeah.
J
That
was
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
I
was
the
chair
of
Health
scrutiny,
so
yeah,
it's
I
do
know
it
goes
on,
and
but
it
might
be
something
that
we
could
talk
to
our
governance
service
about
and
also
lots
of
other
Governors
and
talk
to
our
schools
about
getting
either
MPS
or
councilors
in.
H
Just
finally,
this
channel
your
last
comment
regarding
the
MP3
band.
He
has
attended
quite
a
few
schools
in
burmesis,
Richmond,
Hill
and
I'm,
and
it
tweets
out
as
well,
and
it's
already
visited
the
beaten
holbeck
as
well,
so
he
has
visited
other
schools
and
I'm
sure
he's
visited
a
few
hunslet
at
school
as
well.
H
So
I
will
pick
you
up
anywhere,
but,
like
Council
Hayden
says
we
are
as
elected
members
majority
who
are
on
the
school
government
body,
so
we
can
increase
through
our
school
called
importance,
starting
by
in
other
Olympics
as
well
same
time
as
her
rebound.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
just
picking
up
on
the
last
comment.
You've
talked
to
well,
first
of
all,
congratulations
on
the
report.
Very
full
I
hope
I've
managed
to
do
it
justice
reading
it
only
got
a
couple
of
days
ago.
I
didn't
know,
I
was
substituting
and
getting
the
a
rating
is
really
excellent
and
I
know
how
hard
yourself,
Polly
and
other
officers
and
also
councilor
die
and
before
her
counselor
will
show
up
for
three
years,
have
worked
to
get
us
to
this
very
good
situation
that
we're
in.
E
But
of
course,
we
cannot
be
complacent.
So
looking
thinking
about
what
you've
just
been
talking
about
children
and
young
people,
all
this
is
perfectly
true,
but
it's
all
sometimes
more
of
a
challenge
to
attract
adults.
E
Although
I
noticed
in
the
food
survey
that
there
was
that
the
majority
were
older,
who
responded
to
that
but
and
I
understand
that
it's
very
limited
in
terms
of
resources
and
finances
to
how
much
can
be
done,
but
I
wondered
whether
there
is
our
particular
areas
or
sectors
in
the
community
that
are
harder
to
reach
with
the
message
than
others
and
whether
that's
been
really
looked
at
and
segmented.
Targeting
taken
place,
that's
I've
got
several
other
questions,
but
I'll
ask
them
one
at
a
time.
Okay,.
L
So
we
have
done
some
targeted
messaging,
so
that
example
I
gave
earlier
about
the
housing
where
we
had
specific
criteria.
We
use
our
databases
to
filter
to
work
out
which
parts
of
the
city
are
most
likely
to
be
able
to
fit
into
the
criteria,
and
then
we
do
targeting
letters
and
things
to
to
make
people
aware
of
what's
available
to
them
and
so
I
think.
That's
an
example
when,
when
we've
got
offers
that
we
we
can
actually
push
something
out
to
people,
we
do
use
that
segmented.
L
We
don't
use
it
I
suppose
for
just
general
comms,
but
where
there's
something
appropriate.
E
Thank
you,
given
that
lead
city
council
is
contracted
to
deliver
quite
a
lot
of
adult
learning
for
adults.
Has
that
route
been
used
at
all
in
order
to
get
these
messages
across.
E
Yes,
I
I
used
to
work
in
that
sector
and
we
the
there
are
various
guidelines
or
regulations
around
what
should
be
delivered.
So
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
possibly
looked
into
to
good
effect.
E
Moving
on
to
a
different
area,
the
electric
charging
infrastructure
has
certainly
gone
up,
but
I
wonder
what
the
progress
has
been
made
for
people
who
don't
have
charging
potential
at
their
own
homes
because
they
live
in
a
terrorist
house
or
back
to
back
or
don't
have
off-road
parking
and
I
know
that
it's
said
that
they
can
go
to
somewhere
locally,
but
is
there
any
possibility
of
getting
the
charge
through
the
lamp
posts
and
other
ways
so
that
they
can
actually
charge
from
home?.
L
L
If
we
start
having
cables
and
and
clutter
or
effect
on
on
cycling
and
things
as
well
so
from
an
active
transport
point
of
view
and
how
so
we
are
Explorer,
our
Lamppost
also
are
not
set
most
places
in
the
right
place,
because
they're
set
further
back
so
you'd
actually
end
up
having
to
put
an
additional
bit
of
Street
Furniture
on
in
order
to
connect
through
from
the
Lamppost.
So
you
immediately
start
to
clutter
up
the
environment.
L
However,
we
are
looking
at
where
there
are
potential
to
do
on-street
charging,
but
it
will
not
be
for
an
individual
householder,
so
it
could
be
if
you've
got,
for
example,
parade
of
shops
as
an
example,
or
if
there
was
a
cul-de-sac
that
was
appropriate.
It
could
be
used
by
multiple
people,
but
there's
a
lot
of
analysis
going
on
in
about
valuation
on
those
spots
to
make
sure
that
they
then
don't
have
no
negative
consequences,
and
there
is
a
lot
more
work
going
on.
L
So
I
think
why
could
have
just
recently
announced
that
they've
got
additional
funding
and
for
the
electric
vehicle
charging
points
and
we
work
really
closely
with
them
to
secure
that
funding
and
but
the
way
that
that's
that's
sort
of
moved
is
that
it's
not
about
here's
a
grant
to
do.
You
know,
however
many
charge
points
is
about
here's
a
grant
to
then
to
leveraging
additional
funding.
L
So
you
know
if
you
get
1.5
million,
it
might
actually
be
worth
3
million,
because
the
private
sector
will
match
fund
so
actually
you're,
starting
to
see
a
much
quicker
growth
and
we
started
I
think
we
saw
something
like
a
doubling
of
electric
vehicles
in
the
city
last
year.
So
obviously,
as
that
starts
to
happen,
then
there's
more
attraction
for
the
the
commercial
Market
to
start
to
come
in
and
invest
and
you'll
start
to
see
these
hubs
and
Rapid
charging
and
I
think
we.
L
You
know
as
electric
car
manufacturers
or
there's
a
responsibility,
try
and
explain
how
electric
cars
work
differently.
So
I
think
it
is
a
barrier
to
uptake
in
that
people
think
well.
I
can't
charge
it,
but
you
can
never
feel
your
your
diesel
car
at
home
and
you
accepted
that,
but
because
people
assume
a
sort
of
long
time
to
charge
it.
But
it's
about
how
you
build
it
into
your
life.
L
E
Yes,
I
think
the
development
of
really
rapid
charging
is
going
to
make
a
big
difference,
because
if
you
know
it's
going
to
take
about
five
hours,
then
it's
it's
quite
off-putting
and
people
have
said
to
me:
they
don't
want
to
leave
their
car
at
a
certain
place
overnight
because
they
wouldn't
feel
safe
about
it.
Even
if
it's
within
relatively
easy,
walking,
distance
and
but
I
know
it
is
a
matter
of
technology
and
it's
getting
more
streamlined
all
the
time.
So
it
might
be
just
a
question
of
waiting
until
that
happens.
E
Moving
on
to
waterborne
Freight
on
the
issue
of
freight
and
going
on
the
canal,
Network
and
the
imported
sturton,
and
so
on.
That
seemed
to
be
a
wonderful
thing
to
get
so
much
traffic
off
the
roads,
but
because
the
canal
Network
hasn't
been
maintained
for
anything
except
for
leisure
purposes,
for
a
very
long
time.
It's
caused
difficulties,
I,
understand
and
stoppages
having
to
repair
things
and
so
on,
and
there's
also
the
question
of
the
fuel
that
powers,
the
boats
and
how
environmentally
appropriate
that
is.
J
There
are
significant
problems:
the
business
case
for
an
inland
Port
didn't
Stack
Up,
mainly
because
the
freight,
the
freight,
what
do
they
call
them?
The
boxes
that
go
on
Big,
Ships.
J
They're
too
big
to
go
on
our
canals
so
undergoing
the
river.
So
we
had
there
was
a
business
case
for
them
to
sail
into
Hull,
which
is
an
incredible
part
which
I
don't
think.
We
fully
understand
the
capacity
and
just
what
goes
on
on
in
the
Humber,
Polly
and
I
were
were
hearing
about
it
on
Friday
weren't
we
and
just
the
sheer
scale
of
industrialization
around
the
Humber
but
yeah.
J
There
was
the
idea
and
then
they
could
be
put
on
boats
all
the
way
to
to
Leeds
on
the
canal
on
the
river
and
Canal
Network.
Unfortunately,
we'd
have
to
take
them
off
at
a
certain
point
and
then
put
them
onto
lorries
and
then
put
them
back
onto
the
canal
or
something
like
that.
The
business
case
did
not
stack
up
and
it's
the
sheer
size
of
a
Victorian,
canals
and
and
and
the
river
the
when
the
rivers
get
more
Inland
and
and
the
size
of
the
modern
shipping
containers
Etc.
J
But
it's
definitely
something
that
we
are
constantly
looking
at,
and
that
was
a
wika
project.
It's
definitely
something
and
and
Sand
and
Gravel
are
being
transported
in
our
canals
into
Lead
City
Center
at
the
moment.
So
it's
definitely
something
that
will
always
as
especially
as
the
flood
alleviation
schemes
are
kind
of
make
the
river
safer
and
and
more
navigable
as
well.
So
it's
something
we're
constantly
looking
at,
but
I've
kind
of
done
that
on
the
spot
there,
but
I.
J
E
That's
that's
really
helpful
and
it's
good
to
know
that
it's
not
just
being
completely
ruled
out.
I
do
understand
the
the
issues
there.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
that
come
over
from
from
Rotterdam
to
immingham
and
then
unload
and
go
up
to
Selby,
for
example.
Rice
does
that
and
that's
come
all
the
way
from
the
Mississippi
gone
all
the
way
down
and
then
across
the
Atlantic
and
so
on?
E
It's
it's
really
good,
but
if
we
can
just
manage
to
get
the
last
little
bit
from
the
silos
of
rice
and
Selby
interleeds
without
using
lorries,
it
would
be
great,
but
I
do
know
the
problems.
But
thank
you
for
that
with
the
just
going
back
to
I
suppose
the
food
survey
and
the
response
to
it.
E
How
did
you
feel
about
the
the
numbers
who
responded
to
it
and
you've,
given
the
certain
amount
of
breakdown
of
who
responded,
but
it
I
have
to
say
the
numbers
didn't
seem
incredibly
High
to
me,
but
then
I
don't
know
quite
how
many
people
were
actually
reached
with
the
opportunity
and
that's
very
hard
to
know,
and
were
you
satisfied
that
that
was
a
representative
enough
sample
or
is
there
more
room
or
in
for
other
things,.
L
I
think
the
way
the
food
strategy
was
put
together
in
the
first
place
was
really
collaborative
so
I
think
when
we
came
up
with
the
vision
we
had
something
like
80
different
organizations
from
across
the
city
helped
us
to
develop.
That
so
I
think
all
the
way.
Through
the
process
we
haven't
sort
of
done
it
in
isolation
and
sort
of
the
objectives
and
how
all
of
those
have
been
developed.
L
There's
been
various
work
in
groups
with
things
like
the
national
Farmers
Union,
taking
part
things
like
the
I'm
gonna
forget,
there's
too
many
acronyms
sort
of
the
food
I
can't
think
of
the
name.
James
might
help
me
here.
The
food
poverty
group
it's
gone,
but
all
the
different
various
groups
that
we
work
with
around
the
city
have
have
sort
of
played
a
part
in
it.
So
the
consultation
we
did
some
of
that
face-to-face
consultation.
So
some
of
those
third
sector
did
that.
L
For
us,
the
university
and
people
like
that
so
I
think
I'm,
probably
less
concerned
about
the
numbers
than
I
would
be
if
it
was
something
that
we'd
written
in
isolation
than
because
we'd
already
done
it
in
quite
a
collaborative
way,
with
peop
with
organizations
that
represent
different
voices
across
the
city.
L
I
I
And
so
we
asked
a
number
of
third
sector
organizations
who
were
working
in
the
ward
to
take
part
in
a
kind
of
a
seacroft
food
question
of
the
week
is,
is
how
we've
we
framed
it,
and
we
we
sent
that
question
that
essentially
was
Consulting
about
the
the
strategy
to
a
lot
of
different
organizations
to
focus
on
throughout
the
week.
So
it
was
asked
at
the
food
pantry.
It
was
asked
at
youth
groups.
I
It
was
asked
at
some
of
the
craft
groups
across
the
world,
and
then
we
brought
all
that
back
as
part
of
the
consultation
and
I
think
it
worked
really
well,
because
it
gave
people
the
opportunity
to
feed
into
the
strategy,
but
to
feel
that
they
were
being
included
in
in
a
way
that
worked
for
them,
rather
than
somebody
presenting
something
to
them
that
that
possibly
was
a
little
bit
difficult
to
access.
I
So
I
I
think
that's
something
that
allowed
a
large
number
of
people.
I,
don't
know
the
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
certainly
there
were.
There
was
a
significant
number
of
people
who
were
consulted
as
part
of
that
in
Sea
Croft,
and
it's
something
that
we'd
be
really
Keen
to
do
again
when
we're
Consulting
on
other
things.
E
N
N
N
I
understand,
Polly's
point
about
lack
of
resource
and
being
a
small
team,
but
you're,
not
a
small
team,
because
there
are
hundreds
of
us.
You
know
there's
99
councilors.
There
are
lots
of
other
officers.
There
are
schools,
there
are
universities,
there
are
colleges,
you
know
there
are
lots
of
people
out
there
and
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
draw
on
all
of
those
resources
and
and
really
try
and
well
educate
the
children.
N
You
know
give
them
ideas
to
take
home.
Something
simple:
I
mean
I,
I'm
old
enough
to
remember.
When
nobody
had
a
car
or
very
few
people
had
a
car
and-
and
we
did
walk
and
you
know
we
did
eat
seasonal
vegetables-
I
mean
how
many
times
do
we
go
into
a
restaurant.
N
But
how
many
times
are
we
going
to
a
restaurant?
And
it
says
you
know,
served
with
seasonal
vegetables
and
they
aren't
seasonal
vegetables
at
all,
because
they
are
probably
green
beans
floating
from
Kenya
or
something
you
know,
but
you
know
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I
think
we
all
almost
need
to
pick
a
mix
adult
times
to
the
new
times.
In
many
ways
you
know
we
don't
want
to
shrink
the
world.
N
N
You
know
we
what
we,
what
we're
doing
with
with
climate
emergency,
it
crosses
so
many
areas
of
the
curriculum
in
the
schools.
That
was
an
absolute
great.
You
know
case
in
point
where
you
know
the
children
in
an
English
lesson
wrote
to
ask
you
to
come
and
speak
about
the
climate
emergency.
N
You
know
that
that's
fantastic
we've
got
the
green
jobs.
You
know
we're
we're
working
very,
very
hard
to
to
retrofit
our
homes
and-
and
you
know
one
one
determinology
you
use
Polly
was
homes,
affordably
warm
and
that
I
think
that's
vital
and
the
work
that
we
do
in
there
is
fantastic
I
noticed
that
pullback
are
moving
on
to
phase
three
of
their
retrofit
and
I'd
like
to
see
or
at
least
understand
how
the
rest
of
the
city
are
doing.
You
know
in
terms
of,
are
they
phase
one?
N
Are
they
phase
two?
Are
they
phase
three?
You
know
what
what
do
we
actually
want
to
to
get
to
and
I'd
like
to
see
some
pressure
put
on
our
planning
department,
because
so
many
times
we
we're
still
seeing
applications
coming
towards?
You
know
a
forward
a
plans
panel,
and
you
know
that
they
aren't
I
I
understand
that
they
are
working
to
legislation,
but
it's
the
Bare
Bones
of
legislation.
N
You
know
we
don't
seem
to
be
pushing
them
to
do
that
bit
more
and
some
of
the
larger
Estates
are
that
are
starting
will
be
built
to
a
the
standards
now
where,
by
the
time
the
estate
is
finished
in
two
or
three
years
time.
N
You
know
they'll
be
built
to
the
higher
standard
and
therefore
we
immediately
have
a
situation
where
somebody
living
in
a
two
or
three
year
old
home
is
needing
to
retrofit,
and-
and
you
know
that
that
just
doesn't
make
commercial
sense
to
me
and
I-
don't
think
it's
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
really,
but
I
mean
I
love,
our
District's,
Heating
and
Elite
pipes
and
things
I
think
we're
doing
some
absolutely
amazing
work
as
a
city,
and
you
know
we're
to
be
commended,
but
you
know
we
just
need
to
all
work
together.
N
We
need
to
have
a
look
at
what
what
we're
actually
doing
that
that
we
could
do
probably
smarter
and
yeah
it's
great.
Thank
you.
J
Sorry
Polly
I'm,
just
like
jumped
in
thank
you
for
those
comments
and
and
in
terms
of
planning
I
have
to
kind
of
counter.
At
that
last
Autumn
we
had
the
final
consultation
on
the
local
Plan
update,
one
which
focused
on
the
climate
emergency,
and
it
has
been
recognized
nationally
as
being
groundbreaking
and
excused
upon
and
really
quite
radical
and
worked
with
developers
who
have
been
really.
J
J
It's
a
really
really
good
piece
of
policy
making
and
we're
just
at
the
scoping
consultation
of
our
local
plan,
2040,
which
will
take
us
through
to
the
for
the
next
well
16
17
years
of
plan
making
in
in
this
city
and
so
very
welcome
to,
and
it
has
been
spread
right
widely
in
terms
of
fitting
into
that
consultation
and
it
so
and
and
I
know
it's
particularly
in
in
terms
of
going
back
to
I
mean
when
I
don't
mention
it,
but
20
minute,
neighborhoods,
because
I
am
big
sister,
let's
face
it
as
of
last
Wednesday,
but
and
and
but
when
I
was
explaining
to
my
mum,
why
I
was
being
what
the
conspiracy
theory
around
me
being
big
sister.
J
She
went
well,
that's
how
we
lived
in
the
60s
and
70s
so
and
you
you're
absolutely
right.
Counselor
Smith
in
terms
of
you
know,
going
not
backwards,
but
taking
forwards.
Those
those
real
benefits
of
of
you
know
growing
up
and
in
the
in
the
60s
and
70s
and
I
I
grew
up
in
the
70s
and
I
live
in
the
ultimate
20-minute
neighborhood
of
Halton
and
going
across
Gates,
where
I
I've
got
literally
everything
on
my
doorstep.
J
But
I
know
that
I'm
very
lucky
in
the
Estates
that
were
built
in
the
80s
and
90s
and
and
the
naughties
don't
have
those
kind
of
facilities
that
we
we
enjoy
in
Leeds
15.
But
that's
that's
why
we
had
local
update
one
and
addressing
people
Paving
over
their
front
Gardens.
J
You
know
and
all
those
all
those
you
know
where
things
are,
the
the
full
scope
of
the
planning
directorate,
so
I'm
I'm,
just
getting
a
little
bit
upset
that
there's
been
a
load
of
work
done
by
the
planning
directorate
and
I,
really
don't
want
any
more
pressure
put
on
them
because
they're
doing
a
great
job
and.
B
On
that
point,
I,
don't
think
anybody's
criticizing
the
policy
side
of
planning
personally
I'm,
not
my
criticism
is
development
control
who,
who
don't
get
it
there
are
if
you
go
on
to
just
come
along
to
any
planning
meeting.
Oh
you
know
an
example:
I
didn't
attend
through
the
last
seaac
meeting,
but
we
had
someone
who
came
along
and
talked
about
Chrome
the
rubber
crumb.
Now,
as
you
know,
in
your
area,
that's
been
very
controversial.
B
B
What
from
what
I
can
understand
from
people
who
wear
it,
that
seat
act
meeting
got
a
different
view
than
planning
got
and
as
a
result
of
that,
I
think
counselor
dyes
trying
to
get
clarity
in
on
where
we
are
on
that
particular
thing
and
that's
where
there's
the
disconnect
planning
I've
got.
You
know
the
Martin
Elliott
of
the
world
have
got
fantastic
policies,
but
it's
development
control
actually
putting
them
into
realistic
and
pushing
the
envelope.
An
example
of
that
is
the
Weatherby
estate.
B
If
it
wasn't
for
the
three
Ward
counselors
pushing
Taylor
wimpey,
they
wouldn't
have
got
half
the
things,
because
development
control
didn't
want
to
push
too
much
because
it
wasn't.
It
was
out
with
policy,
and
it
just
shows
you
what
you
can
do
if
you
actually
push
harder,
I,
think
that's
what
council
Smith's
talking
about.
It's,
not
the
Martin
Elliott
of
the
world.
It's
unfortunate!
It's
the
development
control
implementing
Martin's
policies.
Martin's
policies
are
fantastic,
it's
just
them
implementing
them.
It's
where
the
problem
lies.
J
Yeah
and
and
I
would
say
that
policy
down
to
implementation
is
it's
it's
going
to
take
and
there
will
be
a
bit
of
a
time
lag.
We
also,
but
that's
our
role
as
as
elected
members,
you
know,
is
to
push
that
envelope.
We
can
push
the
envelope
when
you
know
officers
can't
because
they
are
bound
by
national
and
and
our
own
policy,
National
legislation
and
our
own
policy.
So
that
is
our
role
as
elected
members
to
get
the
best
for
our
to
get
the
best
for
our
communities
and
I
was
delighted.
J
A
few
years
ago,
when
plans
panel
sent
back
the
I
can't
remember
which
house
developer.
It
was
because
it
was
just
too
dull
in
the
the
old
bamboa
stay
in
next
door
to
me
in
Crossgates,
and
it's
and-
and
that
is
our
role
as
elected
members
and
I-
think
we
do
that
really
really
well
in
Leeds.
J
In
fact,
we
you
know,
we
do
really
push
the
envelope,
but
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
and
and
we
we
do
do
it
well,
but
there
are
also,
as
has
been
mentioned,
officers
are
working
in
a
national
framework
and
when
you
have
a
cut
off
like
no
gas
boilers
in
new
Properties
by
2025,
it
is
really
frustrating
councilor
Smith
when
developers
are
still
putting
in
gas
boilers
in
2023.
So
in
two
years
time,
they'll
house,
those
so
they'll
last
for
10
years.
J
Why
aren't
developers
saying
I've
got
this
cut
off
in
two
in
two
years
time?
I'll
tell
you
what
we'll
start
doing
it
now,
we'll
start,
you
know,
redesigning
our
houses
now
the
ones
that
we're
building
now
and
and
we
need.
We
need
the
support
of
government
to
really
push
developers
to
and
other
people
building
houses,
because
until
we
actually
have
that
National
legal
framework,
we're
going
to
find
it
very
hard
to
implement
the
policies
that
we
really
want
to.
Yes,.
N
M
You
have
every
right
to
be
defensive.
You
were
called
big
sister
last
week
by
the
very
by
many
of
those
members.
You
know
20
mile
an
hour
20
mile,
a
20-minute
neighborhoods
are
exactly
what
we
used
to
have
until
a
certain
lady
came
into
Power
with
a
certain
man
and
said,
get
on
your
bike
and
made
us
go
and
move.
You
know.
I
live
in
a
community
that
has
become
effectively
a
dormitory
town,
because
you
cannot
work,
leave
and
play
in
your
community
anymore.
M
You
have
to
get
on
or
into
a
car
or
on
public
transport
and
we're
going
full
circle
again,
and
there
is
those
on
the
right
who
who
are
going
to
Chuck
Oxford
at
this
council
at
every
opportunity
and
say
that
we
are
somehow
engineering
people's
right
to
move
around
the
city,
and
that
is
not
what
the
20
minute
neighborhoods
are
about,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
say
that
loudly
for
those
of
us
on
the
Progressive
side
of
this
Council
and
not
let
those
on
the
other
side
get
away
with
saying
such
things.
J
Can
I
just
say
Catholic
minute
it
does
that.
Thank
you.
Counselor
I
am
a
big
sister.
I
have
five
siblings
all
younger
than
me,
I
love
being
a
big
sister,
but
thank
you
because
I
really
appreciate
you
saying
that.
D
Chad,
thank
you
not
sure.
If
it's
a
question
or
or
just
a
comment
but
I,
think
it's,
we
need
to
use
this
platform
to
air.
My
views
on
on
this
very
important
topic
that
we
are
discussing
I
was
talking
to
someone
earlier
this
week
who
came
from
Scotland
and
he
had
a
leaf
electric
car
which
he
was
quite
proud
to
own,
and
one
thing
he
mentioned
not
sure.
If
it's
right
or
wrong,
Polly
probably
will
be
able
to
guide
me
the
reason
he
bought
this
car
was
because
it
has.
D
It
was
given
a
five
years,
interest-free
loan
from
the
Scotland
government
and
also
one
year
for
for
charging
facilities.
Now
that
is
encouraging
for
for
those
people
who
wish
to
go
either
on
electric
or
hybrid
vehicles.
It's
good
to
see
our
fleets
in
this
city,
increasing
with
with
regards
to
Electric
fleets,
but
I,
think
you
know.
We've
talked
about
the
young
primary
school
kids
and
also
the
secondary
school
children,
but
I
personally
feel
the
young
people
are
well
engaged
with
this
particular
issue.
D
More
than
we
are
and
I
think
we
should
be
leading
the
way
and
I've
seen
many
people
preaching
about
the
the
climate
changes
and
and
the
rest
of
it,
but
when
I
see
the
vehicles
the
car
they
drive
is
unbelievable.
Now
those
people
can
afford
to
go
for
either
a
hybrid
or
the
electric
cars
in
this
city
and
I
think
you
know
personally,
if
I
go
a
bit
step
ahead.
D
D
In
that
case,
we
are
on
the
right
direction,
then
so
in
in
the
in
that,
in
that
case,
we
are
on
the
right
direction,
then
and
I
take
my
and
I
take
my
words
back
with
regards
to
The
Honorable,
my
lower
meds
vehicle,
but
on
a
serious
note,
I
mean
I
I,
see
many
people
in
this
city
where
they
can't
afford
to
buy
electric
or
hybrid
cars,
and
they
really
want
to
then,
on
the
other
hand,
I
see
those
people
making
speeches
about
the
Clean
Air
zones
and
the
rest
of
it,
but
on
the
on
the
same
hand,
they
can't
buy
the
hybrids
and
electric
cars,
but,
however,
they
are
either
driving
big,
so
four
by
fours
or
or
the
Audi
A6
and
I'm,
not
looking
at
GMS
At
All
by
the
way
so-
and
you
know
I-
think
we
need
to
have
this
sort
of.
D
D
B
Made
actually
that
we've,
you
know
there
are
still
a
lot
of
people
who
are
still
buying
cars,
because
the
cost
is
just
prohibitive.
You
know,
as
I
keep
saying.
I
bought
a
diesel,
because
Gordon
Brown
told
me
to,
and
I
now
can't
afford
to
get
an
electric
vehicle
of
a
similar
size
and
I've
got
just
now
and
that
that
is
a
problem.
It's
how
you
do
it
it's
when
centers
are
there,
but
it's
a
it
is
a
point
well
made
the.
D
Reason
I
mean
I,
wasn't
having
a
go
at
anybody.
I
just
want
to
see
this
city
taking
the
lead
in
this
country,
and
I
was
in
in
Sheffield
yesterday,
where
I
saw
a
refuse
collection,
one
small
one,
electric
fully
electric-
and
these
are
these-
are
the
things
makes
the
difference
and,
and
especially
those
those
I
mean.
We,
as
as
a
city
has
shown
the
way
since
2019
and
I
think
we
need
to
do
more
to
improve
our
environment
and,
and
then
young
people,
as
I
said
earlier
on,
they
they
are
more
engaged.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah
and
again
to
Echo
the
thanks
for
this
incredible
report.
I
actually
had
a
conversation
with
somebody
on
the
train
here
who
was
asking
me
about
the
a
rating,
so
I
was
able
to
explain
that
to
her,
which
was
great
so
in
terms
of
schools.
Just
it's
been
good
to
see
some
applications
for
retrofit
for
some
of
our
local
schools,
but
quite
concerned
that
some
of
those
built
in
the
last
two
or
three
years
were
built
without
solar
PV
and
some
Basics.
That
wonder
why?
A
Well
one
one
Council,
one
government
funded,
why
that
wasn't
included
from
the
outside
I
suspect
it
comes
down
to
funding
as
usual,
but
frustrating
that
schools,
two
or
three
years
old,
are
having
to
be
retrofit,
with
with
better
measures
and
and
just
to
encourage
others
to
go
along
to
schools.
A
I
visited
one
local
Primary
School,
who
are
hopefully
making
a
submission
to
siac
because
they
were
so
excited
about
what
we're
doing,
and
they
want
to
tell
us
what
they're
doing
and
yesterday
afternoon
I
was
grilled
to
buy
a
109
and
10
year
olds
about
democracy
and
what
it
means
and
I
think
they're
going
to
grill
Stewart
Andrea
on
Friday
as
well.
A
They
were
more
interested,
sometimes
in
which
celebrities
I'd
met
than
other
things,
but
we
did
talk
about
bins
and
other
environmental
issues
and
they
were
really
excited
about
it
and
I
think
they
want
to
do
something
for
seaac
as
well,
so
yeah
there
is
interest
and
it's
just
harnessing
that
I
probably
have
more
questions
later,
but
yeah,
but
yeah
Council
buildings
and
or
when
we're
building
things
again
as
with
the
housing.
How
can
we
do
better
with
that?
Thank
you.
L
Yeah,
so
a
lot
of
the
time
it
does
come
down
to
the
grant
envelope
about
what
you
get
to
build
a
new
school.
We
have
had
some
successes,
so
we
have
the
new
school
that
was
built
on
on
the
route
from
the
roof
into
the
city
center
being
connected
to
the
district
Heating
and
we've
got
another
school.
That's
lined
up
to
be
connected
to
the
district
heating.
L
Actually,
if
you
were
going
to
get
to
sort
of
increase,
your
renewable
energy,
the
most
cost
effective
way
will
always
be
the
solar
farm.
It
would
then
be
bigger
buildings
rather
than
every
single
roof
top.
So
there's
some
of
that
that
goes
into
it
as
well,
in
terms
of
what
we,
what
our
longer
term
energy
strategy
is,
but
a
lot
of
the
time
it
will
be
the
grant
envelope.
F
Thank
you
in
in
promptly
adding
an
extra
bit
to
councilor
Thompson
say
where
we've
got
new
houses
built
to
do
housing
estate
built
Council
housing
in
in
my
ward,
I
was
asking
about
gas
boilers
and
we
really
are
right
on
the
Tipping
Point
I
hear
I
think
because
those
houses
were
designed
an
agreed
funding
three
to
four
years
ago.
F
F
That's
not
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about
like
councilor
Hayden
I
intend
to
be
very
defensive
on
behalf
of
the
teachers
of
Leeds.
It
was
just
if
I
heard
it
correctly
about
about
politicians
not
getting
invited
into
school
as
well.
You
know
a
bit
boohoo
really.
F
Over
the
last
three
years,
our
schools
and
I've
been
into
lots
of
schools,
local
authorities,
schools,
academies
in
my
ward
they've
had
a
complete
nightmare
teaching
online
start
off
with
covid
long
covid
burnout.
They
spend
all
of
their
time
every
minute,
delivering
pre-planned
education
and
in
more
deprived
areas,
they're
doing
a
massive
amount
of
corporate
parenting
throughout
the
day
before
school
after
a
school.
So
this
lesson
in
a
box
thing
that
sounds
really
good
because
they
are,
you
know,
they're
up
to
their
eyeballs
in
the
job
they
are
doing.
F
Climate
education,
work,
I
know
that
they
do
that
in
the
primary
way
where
I'm
a
governor
and
maybe
climate
education
and
adaption
needs
to
be
more
in
the
curriculum
than
it
is
now.
But
if
politicians
aren't
being
invited
into
schools
enough,
then
maybe
we
just
need
to
invite
ourselves.
K
Thank
you.
You
talked
about
zealots
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
maybe
I'm
one
of
the
zealots
and
on
that
basis,
I
do
have
a
formidable
list
of
of
a
list
of
questions,
so
some
of
them
might
be
quite
easy,
something
not
so
much
supposed
to
fast,
two
or
three
and
then
see
we
can
see
how
we're
going.
My
first
question
was:
there's
much
talk
about
hydrogen
as
an
alternative
fuel.
I
hear
really
mixed
reports
I'd
be
interested
to
know.
K
If
that's
something
we're
still
considering
I
I'd
be
interested
to
see
your
thoughts
on
the
council's
relationship
with
climate
action
leads
I'd,
be
interested,
I
I
didn't
know,
forgive
me
if
it's
in
there
I
didn't
see
any
reference
to
car
sharing,
I
just
think
to
myself.
We
all
desperately
want
good
kind
of
mass
transit
for
the
city,
but
I
just
think
a
short-term
solution
that
we
don't
need
huge
amounts
of
investment
for
would
be
to
somehow
really
kind
of
pump.
K
Prime
car
sharing
in
the
city,
at
least
for
the
as
a
short
and
medium-term
solution
and
for
R2
I'll,
just
throw
in
one
more
for
now.
I
suppose.
We've
talked
about
planning,
I'm
interested
to
talk
more
hear
more
about
planning,
so
I
know
there
are
moves
of
foot
to
oblige
all
new
developers
to
put
Edibles
into
kind
of
edible
Greenery
into
their
development.
Some
Kings
here,
if
that's
progressing
or
not,
and
then
the
other
question
was
it
was
particularly
about
15-minute
neighborhoods.
K
So
maybe
we
are
hamstrung
by
the
legislation
but
I'm
just
aware
of
several
situations
where
developers
have
put
in
planning
applications
and
said
and
I
will
include
a
shop
because
obviously
everyone's
everyone
wants
a
shop
and
then
they
build
the
development
and
then
lo
and
behold
say:
oh
actually
we're
not
going
to
build
a
shop
and
and
they
get
away
with
it,
so
that
is
kind
of
hampering
that
move
towards
15
15
minutes
neighborhoods.
That's
nothing
else.
L
Okay,
we
might
have
to
do
a
bit
of
a
team
effort
on
this
one
I
think
so.
If
I
start
with
hydrogen
I
think
we
still
haven't
got
a
formal
decision
from
government
in
terms
of
the
future
Direction
on
heat
and
I,
still
I
think
that
is
still
a
bit
of
a
challenge
in
terms
so
I
think
people
are
leaning
towards
the
fact
that
hydrogen
is
unlikely
to
be
the
fuel
that
heats
homes,
I.
Think
if
you
were
to
ask
most
people.
That
would
be
the
conclusion.
L
However,
there
are
still
properties
where
actually,
hydrogen,
as
heat
is
still
an
option
where
there's
not
capacity
for
air
source,
heat
pumps
or
ground
Source
heat
pumps,
so
that
there
may
still
be
some
case,
but
not
the
whole
city
type
approach
I
think
was
originally
talked
about
with
things
like
h21
I
think,
there's
a
lot
more
focus
on
hydrogen.
L
In
terms
of
we,
we
are
going
to
get
to
a
position
where
we
have
waste
renewable
energy
because
we
get
peaks
of
wind
and
actually
using
that
as
storage
of
that
energy,
so
it
becomes
and
then
actually
what
you
do
with
that
stored
hydrogen.
You
use
it
for
industrial
uses
or
potentially
for
the
heavier
transport
end
and
I.
Think
if
you
were
to
talk
to
the
sort
of
hydrogen
industry
that
that
is
more
of
the
Leaning
and
there
has
been
talking
I
think
it
was
within
another
scrutiny
board.
L
A
northern
gas
networks
came
about
having
a
potential
your
hydrogen
town
to
the
east
of
Leeds,
so
that
is
still
something
that
that
is
being
considered
and
looked
at
and
how
far
that
is
down
the
line.
Isn't
within
our
control.
It's
part
of
funding
bid
to
government,
so
hydrogen
I
think
is
still
alive
and
active.
L
Although
again
that
still
may
play
a
part
and
we
haven't
got
a
definitive
government
policy,
so
just
in
terms
of
the
climate
action
leads
so
I
have
somebody
in
my
team
who
is
allocated
I,
think
I
know
one
day
a
week
basis
where
climate
action
leads
and
tries
to
make
sure
there's
that
connection.
So
with
things
like
the
food
strategy
and
things
there
was
that
link
back
in
but
and
obviously,
we've
had
opportunities
where
they've
come
to
the
CIA
committee.
If
I
think
councilor
died,
did
you
want
to.
I
Yeah,
just
to
add
to
that
I
mean
I.
Think
organizations
like
climate
action
leads
have
a
really
important
role
to
play
in
our
carbon
Journey.
I
A
few
people
have
said
today
that
it's
it's
going
to
take
action
by
everybody
in
the
city,
so
it's
not
just
something
that
the
council
can
do
and
everybody's
been
really
complementary
about.
This
report
on
the
huge
steps
of
the
council
are
taking
to
address
our
own
emissions,
but
if
we're
going
to
go
on
a
city-wide
carbon
Journey,
then
we
need
to
bring
people
with
us
and
I.
Think
organizations
like
climate
action
leads
have
a
huge
part
to
play.
I
I
my
own
work
with
climate
action
seacroft,
which
is
a
kind
of
subset
of
climate
action,
leads
as
just
shown
really
the
importance
of
of
really
hyper
local
climate
work.
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done
we've
done,
because
we
are
a
really
local
organization
and
if
you
kind
of
Step
that
up
across
the
city,
then
climate
action
leads
his
role
in
in
steering.
All
of
that
is
going
to
be
crucial.
I
We're
currently
looking
in
Sea
Croft
at
our
the
the
things
that
we're
doing
and
the
carbon
impact
that
they've
had
and
we'll
be
reporting
on
on
that
back
to
climate
action
leads,
and
you
know,
if
that's
happening
at
a
local
level,
then
it
really
adds
up
across
the
city.
So
I'm,
I'm
I,
think
they've
got
a
huge
role
to
play.
In
fact,
I'm
going
to
visit
the
the
new
Hub
this
afternoon
and
really
looking
forward
to
that.
J
If
I
can
just
come
in
on
car,
sharing,
we
do
have,
and
the
council
is
paid
is
part
of
it
as
well.
J
The
the
car
clubs
that
the
companies
such
as
Enterprise
run
so
that
people
don't
need
to
own
their
own
car
I,
do
know
in
killing
back
in
sequence,
but
where,
where
my
brother
lives,
there's
a
car
club
car
parking
space,
it's
much
more
prevalent
in
the
city
center,
because
that's
where
the
majority
you
know
of
the
sheer
numbers
that
people
are,
but
it
is,
it
is
kind
of
you
know,
spreading
out
into
the
into
the
into
the
morale
out
of
areas
such
as
ls14
now
is
15,
but
finding
those
car
parking
spaces
for
for
the
cars
is
a
little
bit
of
a
problem,
and
that's
why
it
needs
to
be
integrated
into
planning
and
there
isn't
a
policy
on
past
sharing
as
such.
J
But
it's
definitely
something
I
think
we
could
look
into
as
a
short
term
in
in
along
with
ciac
and
have
a
look
at
I
do
know
when
I
was
in
the
states
that
you
know
there
were
certain
initiatives
and
I
do
know
that
in
you
know,
you
actually,
you
know
kind
of
formalize
initiatives
to
get
people's
three
or
four
people
in
a
car
instead
of
instead
of
one
person,
but
we
haven't
got
that
that
formalization
yet,
but
it's
definitely
something
we
could.
J
We
could
look
into
I
know
they're
in
more
informal
in
terms
of
workplaces
that
do
car
sharing
and
I'm
just
thinking
of
Peter
k
at
the
moment.
So
it's
like
and
I
did
love
that
Series
in
terms
of
planning
and
the
Edibles
can
I
get
back
to
scrutiny
on
that
and
see
where
we
are
in
terms
of
bringing
that
forward
and
weather
and
also
the
kind
of
enforcement
and
developers
will
always
try
this.
They
will
come
to
pre-planning
meetings.
J
They
will
do
pre-apps
where
they
will
prom,
they
will
say:
oh
yeah
yeah,
that's
great
and
then
when
it
actually
gets
into
the
detail,
they'll
say
on
paid
for
viability,
reasons
we'll
have
to
drop
that
and
it's
a
constant
battle
that
plans
panels
and
plants
panel
chairs
have
to,
and
the
members
have
to
deal
with
all
the
time
so
but
I
will
Department.
J
Kind
of
where
we
are
on
enforcing
those
kind
of
policies,
and
it
will
be
made
much
easier
when
local
Plan
update
one
is
fully
ratified
and
and
impulsey.
Thank
you.
K
Yes,
if
you
don't
mind,
thank
you
very
much
and
by
the
way
I
did
have
a
top
of
my
notes.
Thank
you.
Exclamation
mark
and
I
forgot
to
say
thank
you
again
for
all
this
really
really
good
works.
I'm,
certainly
not
trying
to
do
it
now.
There's
there's
lots
of
very
good
work
happening
here
anyway.
I
will
continue
with
my
list,
but
we're
making
good
Headway
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
back.
K
I
don't
want
to
be
too
specific,
but
I'm
aware
that,
where
developers
where
developers
are
going
the
extra
mile
and
trying
to
do
interesting,
sustainable
work,
there
may
be
creating
more
issues
for
themselves,
but
because
they're,
in
many
cases,
embracing
new
technologies
and
yeah,
not
just
building
homes,
that
they've
already
built
a
million
times
before
and
I'm
just
I
suppose
I'm
interested
to
know.
K
If
there's
how
much
awareness
the
council
have
of
some
of
the
issues
that
some
of
those
more
pioneering
developers
who
we
absolutely
want
to
support,
how
much
dialogue
we've
had
around
those
kind
of
issues
and
how
we
like
I
I,
don't
yeah,
how
much
I
suppose
supports
they
need
and
yeah.
K
If
there
are
people
who
are
yeah
people
moving
into
those
houses
that
are
maybe
a
bit
perhaps
struggling
with
some
of
those,
the
challenges
that
are
emerging
but
I
don't
want
to
be
too
specific
about
that
issue,
but
yeah
if
you've
got
any
comments
on
that
that'd
be
good
or
I
can
talk
more
after
amazing.
K
It
strikes
me
that
a
bit
of
an
elephant
in
the
room
in
that
only
gets
a
mentioned
once
in
this
report
is,
is
the
airport
I
appreciate
we
don't
own
and
control
the
airports
as
a
council?
It's
a
sound!
It's
a
sound
driver
they're
just
like
yeah
a
bit
closer
I'll,
come
back,
okay,
great,
oh
good!
K
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah,
so
yeah
I'm,
just
I,
suppose
I'm
conscious
that
the
airport
only
gets
one
mention,
there's
obviously,
as
we
all
know,
there's
kind
of
lots
of
people
actively
wanting
to
kind
of
see
its
wings
clipped
so
to
speak
and
I
suppose.
Maybe
we
do
as
a
council
just
have
to
say:
oh
yeah,
we're
we're
okay
with
the
airport,
but
I
suppose
I
mean
here.
K
We
are
on
kind
of
online
and
visible
to
the
millions
who
are
watching
but
I
suppose
I'm
interested
to
know
how
we,
as
a
council,
what
our
position
is
on
the
council
and
are
we
happy
with
the
airport
expanding,
because
if
so,
that
will
essentially
undermine
a
lot
of
the
really
good
work
happening
elsewhere
around
the
city
when
we
think
about
the
footprints
of
carbon
Footprints
of
the
city
in
general,
one
more
for
now.
This
is
section
two
of
three
is:
are
people
in
this
room?
K
L
That
sounds
like
a
good
deal
and
so
I
suppose
in
terms
the
developers
get
the
extra
I,
don't
know
about
specific
issues
with
developers,
and
maybe
it's
something
we'd
pick
up
offline
or
I
can
pick
up
with
planning.
To
ask
those
questions.
However.
I
would
say
that
some
of
our
Lessons
Learned
in
terms
of
the
schemes
we've
done
is
actually
that
Resident
engagement
is
absolutely
critical.
L
So
when
we're
doing
things
like
the
district
heating,
we
have
resident
liaison
officers
who
work
for
the
supplier,
but
obviously
also
the
housing
lead
staff
who
work
really
closely
to
make
sure
people
understand
the
technology
and
the
controls,
and
especially,
if
they're,
going
from
something
like
storage
heaters,
where
you're
on
a
specific
tariff
and
things
like
that,
it's
really
critical
that
people
then
understand
the
difference
and
and
how
they
get
the
best
out
of
it.
L
And
so
you
know
I
can
imagine
there
might
be
challenges
if,
if
people
don't
embed
new
technologies
correctly
in
terms
of
the
plant-based
treaty,
I
have
seen
it
I,
don't
think.
We've
reached
a
view
on
it.
When
we
did
the
food
strategy,
we
were
cautious,
as
a
council,
I
would
say
in
terms
of
dictating
what
people
should
eat
and
we
focused
more
on
providing
people
with
the
right
information
allowing
people
to
make
conscious
decision.
You
know
rather
than
eating
and
not
being
aware
of
the
impacts.
L
So
we
focus
more
on
that
and
about
you
know,
eating
kind
of
following
the
health
recommendations.
So
if
you
were
to
follow
the
health
recommendations,
naturally
you
would
reduce
your
carbon
footprint
from
food
significantly
and
that's
about
eating
less
meat,
but
better
quality
meat
and
and
obviously,
we've
tried
to
push
that
kind
of
more
local
meet
agenda
as
well.
But
but
we
haven't
gone
as
far
as
saying.
Actually
it's
plant-based
on
nothing.
L
So
we've
tried
to
to
do
something
that
will
will
kind
of
reach
out
to
everyone,
because
I
think
there
is
a
risk.
If
you
go
down
that
plant
base
that,
then
you
actually
just
lose
any
dialogue
with
a
certain
part
of
the
audience
as
well
and
and
I.
Think,
like
we've
discussed
here,
you
want
to
try
and
be
able
to
appeal
to
a
wider
Spectrum.
J
Lead
to
Bradford
Airport
right,
okay,
yeah,
it's
as
you've
mentioned
it's
an
and
and,
as
we
all
know,
it's
a
privately
owned
business
and
they
are
no
longer
expanding.
As
per
the
2021
decision.
They've
reverted
back
to
the
extension
to
the
building
that
they
got
planning
permission
for
in
2018
19..
J
That
may
mean
that
they
can
take
more
passengers
in
that
planning
application
because
of
the
capacity
of
the
the
building
will
allow
more
passengers
to
go
through.
Potentially,
it's
deeply
frustrating
it's
a
regional
airport,
we've
seen
Doncaster
close,
and
that
will
mean
that
more
people
will
getting
past
to
go
to
places
like
Manchester,
Airport
Etc.
So
there's
the
carbon
trade-off
there,
but
what's
deeply
frustrating.
J
Is
that
very
difficult
for
us
to
have
a
policy
about
Warner
airport
when
we're
a
very
small
island
with
new
with
a
number
of
different
airports
around
the
country?
J
And
what
we
really
need
is
government
policy,
not
just
jet
zero,
which
the
jury's
out
on
whether
that
would
ever
be
achievable,
but
on
actual
Aviation
policy
in
this
country,
about
where
we
want
our
airports
to
be
how
how
we
want
them
to
operate
and
in
in
a
in
The
Wider
context
of
carbon
reduction,
but
also
in
incentivizing
people
to
maybe
not
fly
or
to
to
find
alternatives
to
fly.
J
While
we've
got
a
situation
where
it's
cheaper
to
fly
than
get
on
the
train,
then
people
are
going
to
fly
and
and
when
we've
got
a
creaking
train
Network,
where
our
local,
you
know,
then
people
are
going
to
I
mean
I
saw
the
other
day.
It
actually,
you
know,
was
much
quicker
and
cheaper
to
fly
and
I'm
talking
within
the
country
than
to
get
on
the
to
get
on
the
train,
which
is
just
ridiculous
when
the
with
the
country,
that
of
our
geography.
J
So
until
we
get
a
decent
National,
Rail
service
and
Aviation
policy
that
actually
recognizes
the
shoe
charm
that
Aviation
does
to
our
climate
and
from
from
a
government.
Then,
where
we're
in
a
very
difficult
position,
as
leads.
K
Okay,
so
phase
three,
so
do
we
there's
been
I
know,
there's
been
quite
a
few
conversations
the
last
few
months,
the
last
few
weeks
and
months
with
ciac
and
others
about
rubber
crumb.
I'd
just
be
interested
to
know.
Are
we
moving
towards
getting
some
kind
of
position
on
this
kind
of
these
all
weather
pictures
and
whether
I
think
the
proposal
from
some
of
the
campaigners
would
be
that
there
should
be
a
pause
on
developments
until
there
is
more
information
about
the
environmental
impact
of
them?
K
There
was
a
question
raised
by
somebody
one
of
the
counselors.
It
must
have
been
I.
Think
one
of
the
opposition,
councilors
I,
can't
remember
who
about
new
Rail
stations
in
the
city
like
local
Rail
stations
and
I
just
wondered.
Is
that
something
we're
giving
attention
to?
And
finally,
for
me,
I'm
interested
when
I
look
around
our
communities
that
so
the
big
Rail
and
that's
a
big
psychopaths
are
going
in
on
the
main
roads
and
they
certainly
serve
a
purpose.
K
How
can
we
can
build
up
a
bit
of
a
culture
of
cycling
in
the
city
I'm
interested
in
wanting
to
put
in
perhaps
more
low-cost,
less
disruptive
in
cycle
infrastructure
like
in
lead
in
London,
they've
got
loads
of
quiet
ways
and
I
know
they.
They
then
function
alongside
the
kind
of
the
archery
roads
cycle
structure.
K
I
suppose,
are
we
giving
attention
to
the
idea
of
putting
that
kind
of
low-cost
or
lower
cost,
lower,
lower
disruption,
kind
of
quiet
ways
or
similar
infrastructure
kind
of
through
communities
to
enable
people
to
navigate
around
our
communities,
instead
of
necessarily
kind
of
thinking
that
people
will
want
to
cycle
across
the
city?
Thank
you.
J
Connect
on
the
quiet
ways
we're
actually
yeah
we're,
starting
with
them,
in
fact,
seeing
councilor
Anderson's
world.
We
are
a
quiet,
a
quiet
way,
you're
using
existing
footpaths
too,
and
working
with
elected
members
across
the
across
the
city
from
Beeston
and
all
other
places
on
using
existing
footpath
and
making
them
better
so
that
they
might
not
become
official
cycleways.
J
But
people
are
able
to
use
them
as
a
cycleways
and
it's
something
I'm
very,
very
interested
in
and
and
working
at
those
low-cost
Solutions
of
using
now
existing
kind
of
footpaths
that
all
communities
have
and
and
ginals
as
we
call
them
in
Yorkshire.
Isn't
it
you
know,
like
people
don't
build
over
them?
J
My
childhood
has
been
built
over,
but
somebody's
kitchen
now
so,
but
in
in
using
all
those
existing
ways
of
and
I'm
maintaining
our
ginals
and
because
they
do
provide
great
cycling
if,
if
they're
maintained
properly
and
so
yeah
very
interested
in
that
I'm
working
on
that
on
the
new
train
stations,
oh
I'd
love,
more
I'd,
absolutely
love
more,
but
the
the
plan
for
Thought
Park
and
that's
progressing
well.
J
White
Rose
is
nearly
finished.
Obviously,
that
kind
of
replaced
a
costingly,
so
it's
not
not
a
newish
one,
but
better
for
getting
people
to
those
workplaces
and
and
and
the
shopping
and
the
and
the
workplaces
and
all
the
economic
activity
around
around
right
rows,
and
we
have
had
new
ones
at
kirkstall,
Forge
and
at
Appley
bridge
and-
and
that's
quite
so-
we're
quite
an
outlier
in
the
in
outlier.
Sorry
in
the
in
the
country
in
terms
of
building
new
Railway
stations,
so
we'll
see
another
and
hopefully
fingers
crossed.
J
There
is
one
planned
that
leads
Bradford
Airport,
but
not
necessarily
just
for
the
airport
for
for
the
Northwest
employment
Hub
that
is
in
the
is
in
the
planning
stages
up
there
again.
These
were
in
leveling
up
bids,
which
you
know
in
the
infrastructure.
They
are
for
the
Northwest
employment,
Hub
and,
and
you
know,
and
that
Hub
itself
was
a
leveling
up
bid,
which
we
all
know
we
were.
J
Although
the
feedback
has
come
back
that
they're
excellent
bits,
yeah
nothing,
nothing
came
up
right,
so
you
know
it's
very,
very
frustrating
in
terms
of
the
of
the
funding
and
the
way
that
the
funding
is
is
done
at
the
moment
or
not
done
at
the
moment
and
not
having
a
an
overall,
an
overall
strategy.
But
I
know
that,
because
counselor
Khan
has
come
to
me
about
Marsh
Lane
with
you
know,
we
would
love
that.
J
That
would
be
great,
but
in
terms
of
the
candle
the
way
the
city
has
developed
and
and
building
a
new
station
they're
incredibly
I
remember:
I
was
a
new
sorry
I'm
going
off
on
one,
but
I
was
a
new
counselor
and
I
was
sitting
with
Alderman
Wakefield.
He
wasn't
Alderman
at
the
at
the
time
in
about
thought,
Park
and
and
asked
a
question.
J
So
how
long
will
it
be
and
they
went
oh
about
seven
or
eight
years
and
I
was
like
really
and
the
amount
of
time
and
we're
still
like
at
the
consultation
stage.
So
you
know
I'm.
You
know.
I
have
gone
great
since,
since
that
particular
meeting
back
in
2016
and
and
I
think
I'll
be
a
lot
greater
when
actually
it
actually
comes
to
fruition,
but
yeah
we're
very.
We
really
want
more
stations
and
more
local
stations.
It's
it's
getting
the
funding
for
them.
J
It's
it's
getting
them
built,
then,
and
everything
that
has
to
go
into
it.
Just
one
Bridge
across
the
in
Cross
Gates
across
the
we
know,
really
well
Council
dying
myself
and
across
the
railway.
It's
a
huge.
It's
grade
two
listed
our
grade,
one
listed
just
replacing.
That
is
a
headache
in
it
itself,
so
it
it's
incredibly
complex
but
you're
working
with
waika
working
with
network
rail.
You
know
very
interested
in
as
many
new
stations
as
we
could
possibly
get.
I
That's
still
ongoing
in
terms
of
the
thing
that
we
asked
at
seaac
was
we
asked
for
a
response
we're
going
to
get
in
touch
with
I
think
it
was
sport,
England
and
defra
if
I
remember
rightly,
who
are
currently
reviewing
the
situation
and
I
know
doing
some
research
that
there
are
alternatives
and
I
think
that's,
certainly
something
that
we
can
look
look
into
and
I
think
it
was
cork
I
think
was
a
was
a
possibility
in
terms
of
being
able
to
construct
a
pitch
that
allows
people
to
use
the
artificial
surface,
but
without
the
environmental
benefits
of
using
the
rubber
crumb.
E
Yes,
if
I
can
return
to
the
subject
of
electric
vehicles
and
electric
cars,
I
I
should
say
that
I'm
not
actually
rolling
in
wealth.
When
I
first
got
my
car,
it
was
a
very,
very
good
Finance
deal
and
that
was
made.
I
got
a
finance
deal
and
there
was
also
very
good
funding
at
the
time
from
government
and
from
the
dealership
to
allow
more
people
to
start
getting
electric
vehicles,
because
it
wasn't
very
common
at
the
time
which,
sadly,
those
good
deals
seem
to
have
gone
by
the
wayside.
E
I
had
my
charge
point
at
the
side
of
my
house
put
in
free
and
of
course
there
was
no
car
tax,
then,
which
there's
going
to
be
now,
but
on
the
more
positive
side,
batteries
do
not
deteriorate
now
in
the
way
that
they
did
back
then.
So
the
second-hand
vehicles
are
coming
onto
the
market
as
electric
vehicles
and
being
more
affordable,
and
definitely
as
someone
who
who
had
old
bangers
for
many
years
and
really
spent
so
much
just
doing
the
map
as
the
engines
were
went
down.
E
It's
things
don't
go
wrong
really,
apart
from
punctures
due
to
the
dotley
runners.
In
my
ward,
throwing
caking
bottles
all
over
the
road,
but
three
punctures
in
eight
months,
but
that
could
happen
to
anybody
and
isn't
really
the
fault
of
the
electric
vehicle,
so
low,
very
low,
running
costs
but
I
agree.
More
should
be
done
to
make
them
more
affordable
and
that
would
mean
a
vastly
increased
uptake,
not
just
in
the
second
hand
Market
but
generally
and
just
a
short
comment
on
bikes
If.
There
really
were
quiet
ways
that
would
be
possible.
E
I
would
get
on
my
bike
again,
but
the
way
some
people
drive
absolutely
terrifies
me
and
coming
from
beast
and
well
I
know
Ed
does
the
same,
but
the
sort
of
negotiating
Army
generator.
Well,
you
just
wouldn't
spend
enough
in
a
car
at
the
moment,
and
so
the
more
that
can
be
done
there,
the
more
I
think
people
will
start
going
onto
bikes
or
possibly
electric
bikes
as
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
J
Sorry,
but
just
to
pick
up
any
point,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
our
eBay
e-bikes,
the
rental
scheme
coming
online
by
September,
so
they
they
are.
It's
a
company
called
Barrel
bikes
that
have
got
the
contract
they
named
after
Beryl
Burton
born
in
Halton
brought
up
in
in
lived
in
Morley,
so
very,
very
proud
of
Beryl
and
I'm
going
to
be
really
proud
of
the
bike
so
that
there
will
be
a
docking
system.
J
So
we
won't
have
the
problems
they
have
in
other
cities,
our
bikes
being
strewn
and
left
all
of
it.
So
you'll
have
to
put
it
back
in
a
docking
and
open
it
from
a
docking
session
and
I'm,
hoping
that
it
will
get
people
like
me,
kind
of
used
to
because
it'd
be
very
low
cost
and
it
used
to
ride
in
an
electric
bag
not
being
as
scared,
because
I
am
scared
of
the
traffic.
There's
no
two
ways
about
it
and
I
have
family
pressure
going
no
you're,
not
cycling,
because
we
don't
want
you
killed.
Basically.
J
So
so
people
like
me
getting
over
that
fear
experiencing
electric
bikes
without
having
to
buy
one
because
they
are
selected.
It's
and
then
doing
that
last
mile
journey
and
it
will
go
out
to
kind
of,
like
a
mean
wood
and
the
docking
stations
on
mean
wood,
Shaftsbury
Junction
over
in
the
ls9,
and
places
like
that.
So
it's
not
just
the
city
center,
so
really
excited
about
that.
B
Thanks
myself,
paragraph
90.:
what
further
information
can
you
give
us
about
that,
because
I
certainly
wasn't
aware
that
this
scheme,
because
I've
had
a
number
of
organizations
within
my
word
asking
for
help
businesses
and
also
when
I,
say
private
clubs?
I
don't
mean
it
in
that
sense,
I
mean
as
in
sports
clubs.
How
was
that
communicated
to
the
outside
world
that
the
scheme
existed
because
I
certainly
didn't
come
past
me.
So
that's
number
one
number
two,
as
you
know,
I'm
heavily
involved
with
the
Yorkshire
number
climate
change
type
things.
B
Unfortunately,
the
dates
that
they
put
on
it
is
quite
tight,
so
how
we're
going
to
work
with
them
because
they
seem
to
be
coming
forward
with
initiatives
I
attended
as
the
chancellor
Blackburn
yesterday,
the
national
energy
action
fuel
poverty
Forum
that
they
had-
and
this
comment
did
not
come
from
me
against
the
Blackburn,
but
there
was
skepticism
that
ground
Source
heat
pumps
are
actually
going
to
be
the
future
that
they're
not
going
to
be
as
big
a
future
as
a
lot
of
people
anticipated.
B
What's
your
take
on
that
because
we
have,
in
my
ward,
you've
installed
it
installed
it
installed.
Quite
a
few
and
I've
had
no
complaints
about
them,
but
there
was
a
feeling
at
this
Forum
yesterday
that
this
will
not
be
a
solution
to
fuel
poverty
in
terms
of
what
they
were
suggesting
is
that
we
should
actually
have
a
mass
insulation
program.
Instead,
if
there's
any
money
becomes
available,
we
should
be
putting
our
money
into
that.
So
what's
your
view
on
that
on
the
e-bike
scheme,
are
you
going
to
come
forward?
B
Can
they
to
enable
people
like
me
who
can't
even
afford
an
e-bike
to
be
subsidized
to
get
grants
to
actually
get
one,
because
you
couldn't
you
wouldn't
get
me
in
a
normal
bike?
I've
not
got
the
I'm
built
for
Comfort
Not,
For
Speed
and
the
hills
that
had
my
War
to
make
it
very
very
difficult,
but
is
there
any
scheme
to
enable
to
incentivize
people
to
buy
e-bikes
and
you
might
get
more
people
on
on
them
and
then
the
final
thing
is
you
partially
mentioned
it?
B
A
number
of
years
ago
we
were
working
on
breaking
bulk,
The
Last
Mile.
We
were
talking
about
trying
to
get
SUVs
to
come
into
a
contact
point
in
the
south
of
the
city
or
east
or
where
it
doesn't
matter
where
it
was
coming
into.
The
bulk
would
then
be
broken
and
they
would
then
come
into
the
city
center
The,
Last,
Mile
I,
think
was
the
way
we
were
calling
it
what's
happened
to
that
scheme.
Is
that
dead
in
the
water?
Has
it
still
been
worked
on
so
there's
a
number
of
random
questions.
L
I'm
going
to
answer
them
in
slightly
different
order,
and
so
you're
chamber,
climate
commission
I,
am
the
senior
officer
on
for
West
Yorkshire
on
the
main
committee.
L
Leeds
was
pretty
instrumental
in
terms
of
getting
it
off
the
ground,
so
I
also
have
sort
of
individual
meetings
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
governance
side
of
it
and
and
that
that
program
and
obviously
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
the
auction
Humber
climate
Commission
on
the
adaptation
program
and
again,
we've
helped
a
lot
in
terms
of
sort
of
setting
that
up
so
so
there
are
links
into
that
and
then
obviously
I'm
cascading
across
the
different
teams
and
the
work
streams
and
things,
and
you
know,
for
example,
that
they're
going
to
do
some
work
around
scope,
3,
which
will
be
of
great
interest
to
us
so
just
trying
to
make
those
links
in.
L
In
terms
of
that
question,
insulate
versus
kind
of
an
alternative
heat,
Source
I.
Suppose
the
difference
is
whether
you're
coming
from
a
fuel
or
a
carbon
perspective.
L
So
if
you
are
coming
from
a
carbon
perspective,
then
you
you
need
to
perhaps
the
alternative
fuel
source
in
order
to
get
off
carbon
and
off
gas
insulation.
As
a
city,
we
have
done
pretty
well
at
all
the
low-cost
insulation,
so
things
like
your
Loft
insulation
or
cavity
wall.
L
We
don't
have
many
properties
and
where
we
have
got
properties
it's
because
they
they've
refused
to
have
it,
despite
all
the
various
different
schemes
that
have
come
along,
and
so
there's
not
this
massive
on
the
insulated
Lofts
across
the
city,
so
you'll,
really,
then
at
external
installation
or
internal
voice
insulation,
which
is
obviously
where
you're
starting
to
get
into
sort
of
10,
000
Plus
in
terms
of
installation,
and
then
you
start
if
there's
not
grants
available,
that
starts
to
become
more
challenging,
so
I
think
what's
right
and
wrong,
and
maybe
is
maybe
one
question.
L
What
what's
deliverable
is
another
question.
Government
funding
is
much
more
focused
on
changing
heat
source.
So
if
you
look
at
like
the
heat
strategy
policy,
there
were
very
very
few
mentions
of
insulation
that
it
was
all
about
actually
moving
away
from
gas
heating
and
all
the
funding
that
comes
out
even
with
the
public
sector
decarbonization.
L
Getting
rid
of
the
gas
boiler
is
the
primary
focus
of
it,
and
then
you
may
be
able
to
do
some
things
around
the
edges
and
so
I
think
where
we're
at
at
the
moment
the
installation
side
we
would
like
to
see
more
of
it.
We've
seen
the
impacts
on
our
social
housing
or
on
some
of
the
private
rented
sectors.
L
We
would
definitely
like
to
see
more
of
it
because
residents
benefit
massively
I
think
practically
it's
unlikely
unless
there's
a
massive
change
in
funding
that
that
will
happen,
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
the
mayor's
scheme,
I
said
the
sneaky
I
am
to
to
see
from
mccomb's
point
of
view.
There
was
a
press
release
and
media
coverage.
It's
been
well
subscribed,
I,
don't
know,
they've
done
much
more
promotion
than
that,
but
it's
been
well
subscribed.
I
think
it
was
discussed,
wasn't
it
in
the
the
seaac
working
group
specifically
on
com.
I
Yes,
it
was
discussed
at
the
recent
seat.
Working
group
and
I
asked
a
similar
kind
of
question
and
I
haven't
got
my
notes
from
the
meeting
with
me,
but
the
answer
came
back
that
they
were
working
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
newsletters
that
go
out
and
that
there
was
a
program
to
make
sure
that
businesses
did
engage
because
I
was
kind
of
concerned
as
well
that
if
there's
a
business
that
could
really
benefit
from
it-
and
they
don't
know,
then
that's
a
loss.
Isn't
it
for
everybody.
I
But
the
answer
was
pretty
reassuring
in
that
all
the
usual
channels
that
businesses
could
engage
with
the
the
council
is
waiker.
Isn't
it
that's
running
it
that
they
were
using
those
channels.
B
I
think
it
says
not
everybody's
a
member
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
at
a
start
and
a
lot
of
those
small
businesses
that
we
were
talking
about,
the
ones
that
are
not
quite
bankrupt
yet,
but
it
could
be
bankrupt
if
Energy
prices
don't
change
it's
how
they
could
even
get
a
hold
of
something
give
some
500
pounds.
For
example,
it
might
make
the
difference
between
the
business
staying
open
for
a
little
bit
longer
and
try
and
come
out
to
the
far
end,
but
I
mean
look
I'm,
not
criticizing
anybody
here.
B
J
I'm
happy
to
take
that
up
with
the
mayor's
office
and-
and
you
know,
ask
them
to
disseminate
to
all
all
99
members
yeah
so
that
they
have
to
take
that
away.
J
I,
don't
have
any
knowledge
on
the
breaking
bolt
things.
I'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
chair
in
terms
of
purchasing
e-bikes,
then
no,
we
don't
have
a.
We
don't
have
an
incentive
scheme
for
that.
What
I
was
talking
about
was
the
rental
scheme
that
is
coming
in
and
hopefully
that
will
encourage.
J
I
know
that
certain
workplaces
do
offer
kind
of
tax
incentive
schemes
too,
but
yeah
I'm
in
the
same
position
that
I
think
I'd
quite
like
one
but
I
can't
fold.
One.
B
J
Being
I
don't
know
whether,
because
we're
not
clusters,
employees,
whether
we
actually
would
fall
into
that
that's
good,
but
it's
something
that
happily
take
away
to
see.
If
there
is
something
more
we
can
do
on
and
have
a
look
at
how
many
workplaces
are
offering
salary
sacrifice
schemes
because
I
know
they've
done
it
for
years
on
normal
bikes.
J
B
To
make
a
special
plea
for
me,
I
was
just
using
me
as
an
example
of
someone
who
could
get
fitter.
If
achieve
my
lifestyle,
but
the
point
was
cycling
in
in
and
around
cook.
Ridge
is
impossible
unless
you've
got
some
propulsion
to
help
your
garden
down,
half
the
hills
that
are
in
the
area.
That
was
the
point
I
was
making
yeah.
J
J
Yeah,
sorry,
if
I
could
I'll
need
to
go
in
a
minute
if
that's
all
right
but
and
I
thank
the
board
for
a
really
really
good
meeting
and
yeah.
It
was
and
just
yeah
thank
everybody
for
everybody's
interests,
especially
Ed,
but
it's
yeah.
It's
been
a
really
really
for
a
meeting
and
really
worthwhile
I.
Think
so.
I'd
just
like
to
thank
the
Virgin
yourself.
B
Are
interested
in
viewing
the
about
hydrogen
infrastructure
providers?
There
was
actually
a
scrutiny
meeting
in
December
2022
by
triple
IG.
So
if
you
want
to
go
on
to
the
council's
website
and
that's
look
up
the
meeting
in
December
2022,
there
was
a
meeting
about
hydrogen
providers
and
the
work
that
they've
been
doing
in
the
Northeast.
If
you
want
to
feel
for
your
own
understanding,
I
I
is
a
northern
gas
networks
presentation.
So,
okay
right!
So
thank
you
very
much
Polly
and
your
team
and
thank
you,
Council
die
for
coming
along
now.
B
If
anybody
wants
to
discuss
the
food
strategy
further,
there
is
a
seaac
subgroup
meeting
which
I
happen
to
chill
as
well,
promoting
it
on
the
6th
of
March
at
10
30.
Where
we're
getting
a
presentation
from,
is
it
the
co-chair?
Is
it
it's
coming
along,
so
we're
getting
a
whole
lot
of
information
on
that?
B
So
if
you
are,
if
you
are
interested
in
participating,
that's
at
10
30
on
the
6th
of
March
and
that's
available
to
all
members
of
council,
you
don't
have
to
be
a
member
of
seaac,
it's
just
dipping
and
out,
because
the
more
people
we
get
converted
to
the
cause,
the
better
I,
think
it's
probably
the
way
they
read
it.
Okay,
so
die.
I
Yeah
just
to
add
to
that-
and
there
are
three
other
working
groups-
and
you
know
we
welcome
involvement
from
all
members.
So
please
come
along.
G
This
is
really
just
for
members
to
note
it
will
be
published
on
the
council
website,
assuming
you
approve
it
today,
and
it's
designed
to
complement
the
higher
level
information
that
goes
in
the
annual
report
in
the
summer.
G
If
I
could
ask
members
to
Just
note
that
the
proposed
dates
for
23
24,
subject
to
agreement,
obviously
at
the
AGM
have
been
circulated
on
a
provisional
basis
to
current
members
of
the
board
and
you'll
also
notice,
in
your
packs
that
there
is
a
provisional
work
program
which
captures
items
members
have
already
indicated.
They
either
want
to
revisit
or
look
at
in
the
coming
year.
G
If
I
could
just
ask
you
at
some
stage
for
you
to
have
a
look
through
that
and
come
back
to
me
if
there
are
other
things
you
want
us
to
to
build
in
for
recommendation
to
the
successor
board,
that
would
be
really
helpful.
And,
finally,
the
work
schedule
also
has
a
statement
appended
to
it,
which
captures
your
comments
on
reducing
gambling
harm
I'm.
G
Just
looking
for
formal
approval,
given
that
that
was
discussed
at
a
consultative
meeting
and
which
wasn't
in
accordance
to
the
Local
Government
Act
with
it
not
been
a
physical
meeting
and
if
you're
agreeable,
we
can
then
submit
it
on
your
behalf
to
the
executive
for
a
formal
response.
B
Keith,
this
is
the
end
of
it.
For
this
year
can
I
thank
all
of
you
for
your
participation,
for
those
of
you
who
were
new
to
scrutiny.
I
did
say
at
the
excretionary
training
that
being
a
mass
scrutiny
board
usually
does
mean
hard
work
because
we
do
work
hard.
We
get
a
lot
of
good
items
that
affect
our
residents
on
a
day-to-day
basis
and
also
I
do
like
using
working
groups
to
get
a
lot
of
work
done
behind
the
scenes,
which
is
good
but
can
I.
B
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
effort
this
year,
and
today,
yeah
we've
had
some
statements
today,
rather
than
just
questions
which
have
been
quite
interesting
but
again,
look
that's.
The
whole
point
of
description
here
is
to
cheer
it
flexibly,
not
necessarily
close
things
down.
If
you've
got
it
on
your
chest,
hopefully
get
it
out
there.
You
feel
a
lot
better,
but
can
I.
B
Also
at
this
point,
even
though
thanks
to
gas
weight
is
not
normally
part
of
this
one
and
I
wish
you
all
the
best
for
her
mayor,
and
she
won't
forget
us
if
you
do
half
as
well
as
she
comes
for
candid,
then
you'll
be
doing
a
good
job,
because
you
know
it
would
be
a
different
thing
for
you,
a
different
Challenge
and
you'll
be
able
to
sit
at
the
side.
Thinking
oh
I
wish
they'd
said
that.
B
H
Behalf
of
the
board,
you
have
been
a
really
brilliant
chair
as
well.
Actually,
you
have
given
us
the
opportunity
across
different
political
parties.
You
know
I
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you
as
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.