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A
The
benefit
of
any
members
of
the
public,
watching
our
proceedings
online
with
introductions
and
as
usual
I
will
go
through
board
members
in
alphabetical
order,
starting
with
Council
Alderson.
E
A
A
Okay,
a
generation
of
five
apologies
received
apologies
from
councilor
prior
in
respect
of
a
gender
item;
seven,
the
update
on
inclusive
growth.
We've
also
had
apologies
from
councilor
Hayden,
who
I
understand,
has
got
personal
issues
we
wish
she
needs
to
deal.
We
have
been
informed
that
there
may
possibly
be
the
attendance
of
a
deputy,
exec
member
or
support
member,
but
only
time
will
tell
okay
moving
on
to
agenda
item
six.
The
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
of
the
11th
of
January
and
usual
function.
I'll
go
through
them
Page
by
page.
A
A
And
just
a
sentence
and
a
half
on
page
10.,
so
in
the
absence
of
any
corrections
or
any
matters
arising
I'm
assuming
that
board
members
are
content
for
me
to
sign
these
as
a
correct
record.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
that
takes
us
on
to
a
gender
item.
Seven,
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
update
and
we
have
two
offices,
even
Fiona,
who
can
introduce
themselves
before
introducing
the
paper.
I,
don't
think
it
needs
much
by
way
of
introduction.
A
The
introduction
is
really
in
the
paper
itself,
but
this
is
a
an
ongoing
annual
report
on
inclusive
growth
strategy
and
it's
obviously
part
and
parcel
of
this
scrutiny.
Boards
reason
for
existence
so
Eve.
If
you
could
introduce
yourself
and
then
Fiona
and
then
perhaps
just
introduce
the
report,
I
assume
that
members
have
read
it.
K
L
K
So
chair,
following
your
invitation,
just
a
few
opening
comments
to
set
the
scene.
K
The
report
sets
out
the
approach
to
the
refresh
of
our
inclusive
growth
strategy,
which
is
our
economic
growth
strategy
for
the
city,
and
it
also
highlights
examples
of
our
achievements
in
relation
to
the
existing
strategy
and
the
new
inclusive
growth
strategy
will
be
going
to
full
Council
in
July
of
this
year.
K
It
will
set
out
an
updated
delivery
framework
and
we'll
can
see
you'll
see
a
continuation
between
the
previous
strategy
of
people
place
and
productivity,
but
new
Big
Ideas,
which
are
set
out
in
paragraphics
61.
In
the
report.
It
will
also
highlight
transformational
projects.
K
It
will
aim
to
deliver
up
to
2030,
which
will
be
the
new
time
frame
for
the
new
strategy
and
confirm
our
approach
to
measurement
using
the
social
Progress
Index
and
how
we
intend
to
continue
to
use
that
into
the
future
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
our
highlights
around
progress
in
terms
of
delivering
inclusive
growth.
But
I
do
just
want
to
talk
about
one
area
in
particular,
which
is
the
leads
inclusive
anchors
Network.
The
reason
I
picked.
K
This
area
is
because
it
was
highlighted
recently
through
the
peer
review
as
being
a
standout
piece
of
work
in
local
government
and
the
UK
and
potentially
internationally,
for
how
we're
engaging
major
institutions
in
the
city
and
to
contribute
to
our
local
economy
and
the
work
being
undertaken
by
the
network
is
having
a
significant
and
positive
impact
on
people
in
Leeds.
So
there
are
some
specific
examples
in
there,
but
I
want
to
just
briefly
explain
how
that
work
has
matured
over
time.
K
So
some
of
you
is
a
will
be
familiar
with
work
that
was
undertaken
some
years
ago
now
around
2018
in
Lincoln
Green,
with
lead
to
teaching
hospitals,
trust
where
our
employment
and
skills
team
reverse
the
recruitment
process
and
supported
individuals
living
in
that
Community
to
get
all
the
skills
they
needed
to
get
jobs
in
Lincoln.
Green
I'm
pleased
to
report
that
that
approach
is
now
being
embedded
and
is
being
used
in
different
ways
working
with
the
health,
health
and
social
care
system.
K
It's
only
achievable
when
we're
working
with
organizations
right
across
the
city.
The
report
includes
examples
of
a
wide
range
of
other
areas
of
progress
from
business
support
through
to
the
flood
alleviation
scheme
and
the
work.
That's
been
happening
there
to
protect
businesses
and,
of
course,
critical
work
on
transport,
which
is
connecting
communities
to
jobs
in
terms
of
improving
bus
routes
and
accessibility
and
a
whole
range
of
other
areas
like
100.
Digital
leads
and
I'll.
Leave
it
there
chair
because,
as
you
say,
we
can
again
or
get
onto
questions
and
feedback
together.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
the
anchors
Network.
Actually,
as
that's
where
we've
sort
of
started
I
know
they're
mostly
well,
they
are
all
public
sector
or
previous
public
sector
utility
providers,
in
essentially
health
and
education.
C
We
have
other
large
employers,
I
assume,
which
I
would
classically
call
in
the
private
sector.
Much
more
than
these.
Do
we
work
with
those
because
they're
not
part
of
this
anchor
Network.
C
Do
you
want
me
to
ask
my
second
question
because
I'm
here
chair
it's
unrelated
to
this?
Oh
yeah
and
my
second
question
would
be
young
people
continue
to
be
disproportionately
affected
by
employment
opportunities.
C
That's
been
going
on
a
very
long
time
right
back
to
when
I
was
in
the
yts
all
those
years
ago
in
the
early
80s,
and
we
have
a.
We
have
a
government.
That's
calling
on
people
like
me
now,
at
the
other
end
of
my
work,
life
asked
me
to
go
back
to
work
because
we
know
that
we're
getting
more
and
more
older
citizens
with
and
obviously
I
see
that
in
healthcare.
But
we've
also
got
this
very
short
or
very
small
number.
K
So
thank
you
for
both
of
those
questions.
The
the
first
question
about
the
private
sector
as
part
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
towards
the
new
inclusive
growth
strategy.
What
we've
done
is
taken
the
progression
framework,
which
is
the
fundamental
component
of
the
inclusive
anchors.
So
each
anchor
organization
completes
the
progression
framework
to
analyze
their
position
and
then
makes
commitments
about
how
they're
going
to
move
along
that
in
terms
of
delivering
for
the
city
in
the
context
of
being
an
anchor.
K
In
order
that
best
practice
can
be
shared,
so
we're
very
much
hoping
to
deliver
that
later
in
the
year.
K
In
relation
to
your
question
about
employment,
and
inevitably,
we
can
always
do
more
in
terms
of
supporting
young
people
and
and
those
who
want
to
get
back
into
the
workforce
and
who
may
have
left
the
workforce
to
to
get
in
I
think
within
the
resources
that
we
have
we're
doing
we're
doing
we're
doing
a
lot
of
creative
and
Innovative
things
alongside
delivering
consistently
our
employment
and
skills
offer
to
this
to
the
city.
K
K
Some
of
their
course
offers
to
respond
to
what
employers
need
in
the
city
now,
because
the
reason
that
we've
got
a
challenge
is
because
there's
a
bit
of
a
skills
mismatch
between
those
who
are
not
in
work
and
what
employers
employees
need,
because
the
economy
is
moving
so
quickly
and
the
skill
sets
required
so
where
we
are
sitting
is
in
that
position
where
we
can
convene
between
employers
and
skills
providers
and
help
skills
providers
work
with
employers
to
deliver
individuals
who
are
ready
to
to
work.
So
an
example
with
lead.
K
City
College
on
that
has
been
in
the
digital
space,
where
we've
been
working
with
them,
to
help
them
maximize
their
new
digital
T
levels
and
to
link
them
into
employers
and
to
make
sure
they've
got
the
work
placements.
They
need
to
support
that
and
create
connectivity
in
there.
But
there's
a
wider
range
of
some
of
those
things
and
chair
I'm
sure
we
could
arrange
for
a
deep
dive
session
for
for
scrutiny
at
some
point
around
the
future
Talent
plan
and
go
into
much
more
detail
about
some
of
those
activities
that
that
were
underway.
F
And
culture
I
think
mine
is
almost
similar
to
counselor
Lee.
It's
regarding
the
Sen,
because,
according
to
this,
it
was
the
first
taken
place
at
the
arena.
Just
asking
will
we
get
any
results
with
regards
to
what
help
and
advise
you
know
how
many
Scott
jobs
gone
into
college
Etc
in
the
future,
with
it
being
the
first
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
know
it's:
okay,
I've
been
them
getting
information
Etc,
but
we
need
to
know
the
figures
from
those.
K
One
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
events
like
the
ones
we
hold
at
the
arena
is
that
it's
very
difficult
to
track
individual
outcomes
of
people
that
attend
those
events
unless
they're
already
accessing
our
employment
skills
Services,
because
we
we
don't
have
kind
of
the
permissions
within
gdpr
to
kind
of
collect
their
data
and
then
track
their
individual
outcomes.
K
We
do
we
do
measure
the
impact
of
the
events
and
check
in
with
those
who
attend
and
take
feedback
and
build
on
into
the
future,
but
we
can't
necessarily
say
for
one
individual
who
attended
that
event
and
track
all
the
people
there
over
time.
What
the
long-term
outcomes
would
would
be,
but
we
can
we
can
provide
information
to
scrutiny
about
the
impact
of
last
year's
event
and
the
upcoming
event
in
more
detail.
If
that
would
help
chair,
but
have
to
do
that
in
writing.
F
I
didn't
expect
individuals,
you
know
just
out
of
you
know.
If
you
go
to
a
fair,
you
know,
so
many
people
is
being
employed.
F
You
know
with
learning
disabilities
Etc,
you
know,
I
didn't
want
individual
I
just
wanted
to
know.
Probably
the
numbers
have
all
been
employed
from
out
of
there
from
the
cell,
because
I
am
a
governor
at
Leeds
silk.
You
know
why
I'm
asking.
K
So
again,
I
I'm,
not
sure
and
I'd
have
to
check
with
the
team
whether
we
have
a
relationship
with
the
employers
that
attend
that
event,
where
they're
tracking
that
and
feeding
that
back
so
I'll
have
to
check
with
the
employment
skills
time
as
to
whether
we
actually
have
that
data
or
not
counselor,
but
I'm,
very
happy
to
follow
up
yeah.
A
I
think
in
the
past
Steve
we
have
had
information
regarding
the
level
of
employment
on
certain
groups,
and
it
doesn't
completely
cover
the
point
that
counselor
Hamilton's
making,
but
people
with
mental
health
issues,
people
with
learning
disabilities
and
and
how
many
of
those
are
represented
in
the
labor
market.
Do
we
still
have
access
to
that
sort
of
information,
because
I
think
that
helps
to
fill
in
some
of
the
gaps?
If
not
all
the
the
councilor
Hamilton's
talking
about
it.
K
B
Thank
you
chair,
and
thank
you
both
for
for
the
report
and
the
presentation,
our
one
of
our
recent
Community
committees.
We
had
a
presentation
from
active
leads
now,
while
active
leads,
wouldn't
necessarily
Fall
using
it
as
an
example.
B
They
spoke
about
what
they
were
doing
in
the
data
they
were
collecting
and
I
was
quite
surprised
to
to
learn
when
he
asked
about
the
social
Progress.
Index
I
was
surprised
to
learn
that
that
data
wasn't
being
fed
in
so
I
guess.
The
question
that
I'm
asking
is:
how
are
we
ensuring
that
data
from
all
around
the
business,
regardless
of
whether
it's
an
economic
or
you
know
whether
it's
active,
leads?
How
how
do
we
ensure
that's
being
captured
and
best
utilized.
K
L
Still,
the
data
comes
from
a
number
of
different
sources,
most
of
which
are
actually
within
the
council.
Can
I
just
say
just
clarify
your
question:
are
you
asking
about
how
it's
been
used
and
how
we're
making
sure
that
it's
being
used
across
the
council
as
well?
Is
that
more
what
you're
interested
in
I.
B
Guess
what
I'm
asking
is,
how
are
we
ensuring
that
the
data
is
being
collected
from
all
the
different
areas
of
the
of
the
council,
regardless
of
the
subject,
for
example,
objective
leads
or
whether
it's
you
know
business
related
data,
because
I
was
quite
surprised
to
learn
that
that
wealth
of
information
they
collected,
isn't
being
captured
in
the
index.
L
L
The
first
round
of
collection
was
done
actually
during
2020,
so
a
lot
of
that
was
done
with
the
leads
on
data
across
all
of
the
services
and
through
the
data
group
that
was
set
up
all
of
the
data.
That
is,
there
needs
to
be
outcome
focused
and
it
needs
to
be
social
and
environmental
in
its
nature.
L
L
So
everything
went
through
a
quite
rigorous
process
over
about
six
to
nine
months,
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that
data
from
active,
leads
and
just
see,
but
we
are
actually
in
the
process
now
of
looking
at
version
like
the
next
version
of
that
so
I'm
really
Keen,
to
broaden
it
and
to
walk
and
to
include
more
indicators.
So
we
knew
in
that
first
version.
K
And
just
just
two
out
as
well
and
one
of
the
things,
obviously
that
we
encountered
when
we
were
pulling
the
social
Progress
Index
together,
is
that
there
are
bits
of
data
in
the
council
that
are
in
silos
and
not
necessarily
being
put
together
essentially
to
be
used
overall
for
intelligence,
so
not
necessarily
being
linked
up.
K
I
know
now
that
we
now
have
a
chief
data
officer,
Richard
Irvine,
who
is
appointed
around
six
months
ago,
I'm
not
up
to
speed
on
where
he's
at,
with
looking
at
our
approach
to
data
and
information
and
intelligence
for
the
council
as
a
whole.
K
But
your
comment
kind
of
Strays
into
that
area
as
well
about
how
we're
using
our
data
effectively
so
I,
know
that
I
think
that
you
get
updates
on
that
type
of
area
to
the
scrutiny
committee
as
well,
so
that
that's
the
kind
of
question
that
Richard
and
Leonardo
and
tantari
could
could
answer
and
assist.
The
committee.
B
Thank
you.
It
certainly
wasn't
a
criticism.
Just
a
question
about
you
know
how
we're
ensuring
that
data
is
collected
just
for
context.
It
was
at
World
level.
It
was
the
work
that
they're
doing
with
our
neighborhood
networks,
so
it
should
be
I
would
I
would
hope
it
would
be
able
to
be
included,
but
thank
you
again
cheers
Council.
C
I
could
share
the
top
of
page
16
in
paragraph
27.,
there's
reference
made
to
bus
services
and
the
improvements
which
are
being
made
and
last
night,
as
it
happens,
in
Old
Woodley.
We
had
a
bus
meeting
with
first
bus
and
members
of
the
public,
and
several
people
made
the
point
very
clearly
that
they
couldn't
get
to
work,
and
there
were.
C
This
is
typically
on
Shadwell,
Lane
and
places
like
that,
and
they
were
making
the
point
that
bus
services
that
they
use
they
get
to
work
are
not
terming
up
or
turning
up
late,
and
this
means
that
they
have
to
budget
to
get
the
previous
bus,
because
that
nearly
always
fails
and
two
people
said
they've
just
given
up
and
they've
made
other
arrangements.
C
A
I'm
not
sure,
that's
a
question
that
even
Fiona
and
necessarily
equipped
to
answer,
but
in
in
our
very
recent
session
on
bus
services,
which
obviously
we
have
on
an
annual
basis.
Following
the
initial
report
that
this
board
produced
some
years
ago,
it's
very
clear:
there's
a
shortage
of
drivers.
The
there
is
a
shortage
of
money
going
in
from
government.
A
Obviously,
previously
investment
by
the
government
has
been
welcomed,
but
there
is
a
great
deal
of
uncertainty
about
whether
that's
going
to
continue
because
obviously
private
bus
operators-
and
we
need
to
stress
that
they
are
private
operating
companies.
I've
lost
a
huge
amount
of
Revenue
during
the
pandemic
and
because
they've
not
been
able
to
recover
the
amount
of
patronage
that
allows
them
to
achieve
income
through
through
the
fare
box.
A
One
Assurance
I
can
give
in
it's
purely
anecdotal
is
that
the
problem
with
buses
is
ubiquitous
across
the
country
and
across
this
city
and
the
good
citizens
of
inner
South
I
know,
and
my
word,
Middleton
and
Belle
Isle
are
suffering
just
the
same
problems
with
buses
that
are
missing
or
late,
but
I'm
not
sure.
It's
fair
to
try
and
ask
Eve
Who's
got
a
kind
of
panoramic
responsibility
to
this
to
to
answer.
Indeed
so,
but
your
Point's
well
made
Neal
I'm
not
trying
to
minimize
it
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
but
I.
A
Don't
think
your
implication
that
somehow
the
outer
areas
have
been
shortchanged
is
a
valid
one,
certainly
not
from
my
experience
and
I'm
not
going
to
ask
colleagues
on
this
side
of
the
meeting
to
replay
the
problems
at
this
that
their
constituents
face,
but
I
think
you
can
rest
assured
that
almost
every
one
of
them
will
have
tales
about
bus
service
shortcomings
in
their
own
areas.
A
Is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
ask
Neil
I'm,
sorry
for
kind
of
concerning
that,
but
we
we
did
do
this
to
death
very
very
recently
in
great
detail
and
we've
had
representatives
from
bus
operators
from
waika
from
the
trade
unions,
and
we
did
have
a
very
lengthy
and
detailed
debate
about
it
and
I.
Don't
think
anything's
changed
in
the
meantime,
but
I'll.
Let
you
come
back
on
that
or
any
other
issue
that
you
want
to
raise.
Well.
C
The
only
point
I
make
about
that
is
that
first
of
us
are
actually
completely
open
and
they
said,
oh
of
course,
there's
entirely
different
on
the
headingley
corridor.
The
a65,
then
we've
got
buses
coming
out
of
their
ears
and
they
made
that
quite
clear
and
so
I
would
respectfully
disagree
that
the
outer
areas
are
not
serviced
but
I'll
leave
it.
There.
A
Well,
we
could
get
into
an
interesting
debate
here
and
I
think
what
you've
described
is
a
symptom
of
the
privatization
in
1986
of
our
bus
services,
because,
what's
happened
is
that
bus
operators
in
order
to
get
more
and
more
income,
I've
concentrated
their
services
on
the
highest
patronage
routes
and
the
highest
pressure
in
these
roots
are
those
main
routes,
and
you
mentioned
headingley.
And
yes,
there
are
a
lot
of
people
dependent
upon
buses
who
will
use
buses
and
that's
where
the
bus
operators
have
concentrated
there.
A
H
No
particular
I,
don't
know
it's
just
a.
This
is
why
we
need
them
back
in
public
control.
Isn't
it
I
am
Point
number
50
in
the
report
about
the
fact
that.
H
D
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on.
It's
already
been
mentioned.
The
social
Progress
Index
we've
touched
on
that
I've
expressed
my
concerns
in
the
past
because,
as
you've
already
said
in
in
the
meeting
today,
it
only
looks
at
outcomes
and
not
inputs,
which
concerns
me
significantly.
I
know,
there's
a
very
basic
social
Progress
Index
map
that's
available,
and
if
you
look
at
that,
it
pretty
much
highlights
all
the
inner
city
Awards
as
areas
of
concern
based
on
the
social
Progress
Index.
D
So
obviously
you
assume,
then,
that
that's
going
to
guide
you
into
you
know
the
areas
that
you
need
to
look
at
and
Tackle,
but
there's
also
another
map
of
deprivation.
There's
a
second
map
actually,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it's
a
better
map,
a
lot
more
detail
as
far
as
I
can
see,
and
it's
the
20-minute
neighborhood
deprivation
map.
I,
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
that,
but
that
highlights
all
the
areas
in
leads
that
are
deprived
of
amenities
facilities,
public
transport,
recreational
facilities.
D
And
interestingly,
as
I
suspected
and
I
probably
alluded
to
at
the
last
meeting,
if
you
overlay
one
map
on
the
other,
the
area
that
you
highlight
is
the
most
concerning
through
social
Progress.
Index
is
actually
the
best
serviced
right
across
the
city.
It
absolutely
almost
perfectly
matches.
So
that's
got
to
raise
some
serious
questions.
Why
are
the
areas
that
we're
sending
all
our
resources
and
focusing
all
our
efforts,
reducing
the
poorest
scores
with
regards
to
the
social
Progress
Index?
There
needs
to
be
more
and
a
much
better
understanding
of
that.
D
D
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
were
all
being
treated
fairly
and
that's
maybe
unfair,
but
I'm,
going
to
give
an
example
between
my
own
wall,
dancely
and
Robin
Hood
and
my
neighbor
Middleton
Park,
and
when
I
look
at
the
asset
register
for
Ardsley
and
Robin
Hood,
it
arrives
and
it
basically
equates
to
10
items
doesn't
even
fill
an
A4
sheet
of
paper.
The
two
main
assets
we
have
is
a
part-time
library
and
a
bowling
Pavilion.
D
But
when
I
look
at
Middleton,
Park
asset
register,
I've
got
four
pages:
45
different
items
relating
from
equestrian
centers,
tennis,
centers
bike
parks,
fishing
lakes,
etc,
etc.
The
list
just
goes
on.
How
can
that
possibly
be
right?
We're
talking
about
equal
growth
if
one
neighborhood
is
being
favored
against
the
other,
based
on
this
social
Progress,
Index
I
think
it's
all
wrong
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
reviewed.
You
need
to
have
a
look
at
the
inputs
and
see
what's
being
given
to
to
these
neighborhoods
that
you
think
are
struggling
I.
D
Think
you're
going
to
find
it
mostly
comes
down
to
is
housing
wherever
you
have
the
cheapest
housing
you're
going
to
have
the
people
on
the
lowest
incomes.
That's
a
very
simple
measure.
If
you
live
in
a
cheap
housing
area,
because
you're,
maybe
on
eighteen
thousand
pounds
a
year,
you
get
a
promotion,
you
become
a
supervisor,
you
earn
25
000
pounds
a
year.
D
The
first
thing
you
probably
do
is
move
out
and,
as
you
move
out
to
a
more
expensive
property,
somebody
else
will
slip
in
and
take
over
the
house
that
you've
just
handed
over
and
again
they
will
be
on
low
income.
Now,
that's
just
a
very
simple
basic
example,
but
that's
why
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
the
inputs
as
well
as
just
the
outcomes.
A
Thanks
for
that,
I
mean
obviously
those
those
circumstances
that
you've
described
like
pre-date,
the
social
Progress
Index,
and
that
will
only
give
some
insight
into
the
current
distribution
of
resources.
It's
interesting
that
you
make
the
comparison
between
your
own
world
and
the
world
that
that
I
represent
two
of
the
assets
that
you
mentioned
and
I.
Think
you
only
mentioned
three
or
four
were
the
equestrian
sent
were
they
were
the
were
the
equestrian
center,
which
is
a
center
that
serves
the
whole
of
Leeds
and
Beyond.
A
It
just
happens
physically
to
be
located
in
Belle
Isle
and
the
bike
park,
which
is
actually
a
regional
facility
that
just
happens
to
be
in
Middleton.
So
these
are
not
facilities
that
simply
provide
a
service
and
access
to
people
living
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
They
are
major
facilities
for
the
whole
of
Leeds
and
for
the
whole
of
the
for
the
whole
of
the
region.
So
I
think
you
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
discriminating
in
terms
of
how
you
look
at
these
so-called
individual
assets.
I
suspect.
A
There
are
a
lot
of
number
of
many
people
from
Ardsley
and
Robin
Hood
who
come
to
the
the
bike
park,
for
example,
but
on
the
wider
point-
and
it
is
a
legitimate
point-
I'm
not
wanting
to
minimize
it.
Perhaps
it
even
and
feel-
and
it
would
like
to
to
comment.
K
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
I.
Suppose
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
social
Progress
Index
is
one
way
of
measuring
activity
across
the
city,
just
as
the
indices
of
multiple
deprivation
is
one
way
of
measuring
and
looking
at
what's
happening
across
the
city,
and
these
are
tools
that
are
used
for
different
reasons
and
it's
important
to
use
multiple
tools
and
different
ways
of
looking
at
things.
K
Depending
on
the
question
you're
asking,
we
spent
a
long
time
identifying
the
social
Progress
Index
as
our
preferred
way
to
look
at
inclusive
growth
alongside
economic
measures,
and
it
is
our
chosen
tool
to
look
at
inclusive
growth
delivery
over
the
long
term.
So
alongside
that,
of
course,
we
continue
to
look
at
some
of
the
data
that
we're
talking
about
earlier
about
employment
figures,
football
and
a
whole
range
of
other
measures
that
we
keep
looking
at
to
understand
the
performance
of
the
economy
at
the
city,
but
to
really
understand.
K
If
we're
moving
the
dial,
we
need
to
have
a
long-term
measure,
the
the
social
Progress
Index.
If
you
interrogate
it
further,
it
does
show
you
that
in
all
Wards
across
the
city
there
are
areas
that
we
need
to
look
at.
So
it's
not
just
the
case
that
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
areas
where
there
is
correlation
or
alignment
to
the
indices
of
multiple
deprivation,
so
I
I
personally
feel
it's
fantastic.
K
So,
if,
if
one
area
potentially
is
doing
better
on
young
outcomes,
entertainment
for
young
people,
why
is
that?
Is
that
is
that
potentially,
because
in
that
Ward
there
might
be
then
some
knowledge
that
elected
members
have
on
the
council
have
about
Community
organizations
that
are
operating
in
that
Ward
other
ways
the
schools
are
operating
in
that
Ward.
That
might
be
things
that
we
need
to
learn
and
then
transfer
elsewhere
in
the
city.
So
the
social
Progress,
Index
isn't
isn't
meant
as
an
tool
to
necessarily
have
all
the
answers.
K
It's
meant
to
generate
the
conversations
and
to
allow
elected
members
and
others
to
be
able
to
interrogate
it
and
notice
those
areas
and-
and
we
have
spent
time
with
particular
elected
members
going
through
it
and
we'd,
be
very
happy
to
do
the
same
with
any
kind
of
group
of
War
members
around
a
Community
Committee.
If
you
wanted
to
do
that
in
terms
of
just
looking
at
what
the
data's
telling
you
about
your
particular
Ward
and
community,
and
what
the
implications
of
that
might
be
and
how
you
might
want
to
use
that
that
data.
D
I
mean
at
first
I'd
say
you
know,
I
see
the
the
the
the
index
is
a
a
faulty
radar
system
that
you're
using
is
just
simply
not
picking
up
my
community
because
of
the
the
things
that
the
radar
is
designed
to
look
for
on
the
question
about
you
know
more
detailed
discussions.
I
would
appreciate
it.
I
would
like
to
take
you
off
on
that
offer.
A
Okay,
I
think
the
debate
that
you're
wanting
to
have
is
an
entirely
legitimate
one,
and
it's
one
that
I
think
sporadically
this
Council
since
I
was
first
elected
in
1982
has
had
them.
Basically,
it
amounts
to
this.
What
are
the
areas
of
greatest
inequality
and
how
do
we
measure
them?
Because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we've
got
to
have
a
raft
of
indicators
that
everybody
signs
up
to
as
demonstrating
where
inequality
exists.
A
Then
we've
got
to
look
at
how
we
deploy
resources
to
address
these
inequalities,
because
we
know
that
leads
has
been
deemed
as
being
called
over
the
years
a
two-speed
City,
and
by
that
we
mean
largely
but
not
wholly,
and
in
a
city
where
there
is
enormous
deprivation,
even
by
government
measures,
enormous
deprivation
and
outer
areas
which
are
more
affluent,
but
that
affluence
tends
to
mask
pockets
of
inequality
and
it's
out
within
diminishing
resources.
A
We
identify
those
inequalities
such
as
life
expectancy,
for
example,
is
a
good
proxy,
but
it's
not
the
only
one
and
how
we
then
Target
resources
and
then
measure
whether
those
resources
and
you
talked
about
the
assets,
for
example
in
Middleton
and
Bellaire,
whether
they're
making
any
difference.
A
And
if
not,
why
not
so
I
think
you
know,
no
one
is
trying
to
devalue
the
importance
of
the
debate
that
you're
initiating
that
you
refer
to
Micah
every
single
meeting
I
think
you
might
find
that
the
outcomes
are
not
always
exactly
what
you
would
want,
but
we
still
need
to
have
the
discussion
in
the
debate
and
I
think.
Ultimately,
that
is
a
series
of
political
decisions,
as
invariably
these
things
always
are
and
based
on
the
resources
available
to
us.
A
K
H
You
thank
you.
I
was
going
to
ask
if
there's
any
further
info
yeah.
It
sounds
like
it's
a
very
new
thing,
but
the
green
skills
plan,
that's
sitting
alongside
the
future
Talent
plan,
sounds
really
interesting.
I
was
going
to
ask
if
there's
any
more
to
it
yet
or
whether
that's
something
that
we
can
look
forward
to
hearing
in
the
future,
but
also
whether
that
will
link
with
I
mean
whether
that
gives
us
an
opportunity.
I
mean.
Maybe
maybe
there's
no
there's
no
detail
for
this.
H
Yet
maybe
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
work
further,
as
we
go
through
our
further
decarbonization
process,
with
the
with
the
council
and
stuff
like
that,
whether
that's
going
to
actually
not
just
provide
skills
growth,
but
also
jobs
growth.
Will
there
be
jobs
that
will
come
out
of
that
that
we
can
either
have
inside
the
council
or
the
other
key
employers?
Thank
you.
K
Thanks
councilor
Lennox,
so,
yes,
there
is
some
progress
being
made
in
this
area.
K
We've
appointed
an
officer
to
lead
on
green
skills
and
employment
skills,
team
now
called
Sabina
holiday
and
the
priorities
that
we've
identified
through
the
employment
skills
team
in
this
area
are
inspiring
and
informing
the
Next
Generation
developing
the
talent
of
future
innovators
and
facilitating
easy
access
to
Green
skills,
jobs,
opportunities,
career
Pathways
and
making
sure
we're
collaborating
with
business
and
partners
and
supporting
businesses
to
develop
those
green
jobs
and
attract
and
retain
a
diverse
Workforce
and
communicating
and
leads
green
skills
campaign.
K
The
things
that
we've
done
so
far
is
begin,
some
green
skills
provision
mapping
so
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
the
provision
is
now
that's
critical
because,
as
you
were
sort
of
intimating
in
your
question,
what
we
need
to
start
to
understand
is
whether
the
skills
provision
is
matching,
what
the
need
is
going
to
be
be,
and
we've
also
established
a
businesshood,
providing
access
to
skills,
recruitment,
support
and
school
engagement
and
the
employment
Hub
is
providing
access
to
skills
and
employment.
So
we've
made
some
some
beginning
starts
the
other
piece
of
work.
K
That's
happening
with
broader
support
across
the
council
is
that
we've
secured
the
support
through
the
anchors
Network,
to
establish
a
sense
of
our
shared
Capital
pipeline
across
all
of
the
anchor
institutions,
and
that
will
unlock
the
opportunity
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
a
conversation
with
our
skills
providers,
everyone
from
Leeds
College
of
building
2
and
the
University
of
Leeds
about
the
skills
we're
going
to
need
to
be
able
to
deliver
some
of
those
Capital
programs-
and
you
know
in
terms
of
retrofit
scale
and
other
activities,
that's
at
the
early
stages.
K
But
it's
absolutely
our
intent
to
to
be
able
to
kind
of
create
a
situation
where
people
can
commit.
That,
then,
will
allow
this
those
skill
providers
to
be
able
to
reassure
parents,
for
example,
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
job
for
their
child
in
installing
heat
pumps,
as
opposed
to
training
to
become
a
gas
engineer.
So
all
of
this
is
relate
related,
so
we're
still
I'd
say
at
the
beginnings
of
this
work,
but
it
it
absolutely
is
starting
to
take
shape.
K
I'd
say
it's
probably
it'll,
probably
take
us
another
six,
nine
months
to
really
have
a
range
of
things
motoring,
but
we
are
making
progress.
I.
Think
chair
is
a
stress
still.
It
might
be
useful
to
think
about
the
right
time
to
bring
an
update
on
future
Talent
plan,
including
green
skills,
and
we
can
and
give
them
more
detailed
report
on
all
of
that
activity.
A
Okay,
I've
not
had
any
other
indications,
so
I'll
move
to
one
or
two
of
the
questions
that
I've
got
as
chair
and
I
think
I.
Think
even
your
response
to
to
councilor
Lennox.
You
touched
upon
one
of
my
questions
about
how
far
schools
have
been
integrated
into
this
Continuum
so
that
we
are
getting
young
people
interested
and
motivated
and
trained
for
other
jobs
that
are
going
to
be
rolling
out
over
the
future.
Going
back
to
one
of
the
points
that
Council
lay
me.
A
Obviously
anchor
institutions
are,
as
the
name
indicates,
an
anchor
for
much
of
this
process.
What
are
we
doing
to
increase
the
number
of
anchor
institutions?
Are
there
any
organizations
who
we
might
be
able
to
encourage
of
the
type
the
council
away
describe
to
become
part
of
this
network
with
all
the
benefits
that
will
then
accrue
to
both
them
and
to
the
population
of
leads
I?
Think
there
is
reference
in
the
report
to
the
power
that
the
anchor
institutions
have
got
in
terms
of
procurement
and
I.
A
Think
there
is
an
example
given
us
how
one
organization
has
actually
increased
the
amount
of
local
purchasing
that
it
now
undertakes?
How
much
more
room
is
there
in
that
approach
because
that's
clearly
something
that
helps
to
generate
good
jobs
within
the
community?
And
my
final
point-
and
it's
one
you'll
have
heard
me-
make
before
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
we've
made
any
progress
on
this,
but
it's
on
page
13,
paragraph
14
and
the
final
sentence
of
that
paragraph
says.
A
However,
long-term
ill
health
remains
well
above
its
pre-pandemic
levels,
and
presumably
this
is
a
reason
why
those
people
are
temporarily
or
maybe
permanently
out
of
the
market.
Do
we
know
how
much
is
that
that
is
down
to
people
waiting
for
treatment
within
the
NHS
I
mean
my
own
anecdotal
experience
is
that
going
back
to
1997?
One
of
the
issues
I
dealt
with
is
a
newly
elected
MP
was
a
constant
stream
of
people
coming
along
who
couldn't
get
back
into
work
because
they
were
waiting,
surgery
and
or
physiotherapy?
A
K
But
we
can
follow
up
to
to
confirm
that
so
colleges
I
can't
give
you
an
answer
on
that
question.
I
mean
anecdotally
from
meetings
that
I've
been
in
with
colleagues
that
are
working
on
the
health
side
there
are.
There
is
a
relationship,
but
that's
anecdotal
and
not
database,
so
we'll
we'll
check
that
and
come
back
to
you
in
in
writing.
K
When
it
comes
to
the
major
public
sector
organizations,
it's
it's
partly
about
the
right
time
for
them
and
so,
for
example,
the
UK
infrastructure
Bank.
We
have
made
them
aware
of
the
inclusive
anchors
Network,
and
so
they
know
it's
part
of
part
of
the
ecosystem
in
Leeds.
We
haven't
yet
been
in
a
position
where
they've
come
back
and
said
they're
interested
in
joining.
K
So
it's
a
case
of
maintaining
that
relationship
with
them
and
taking
the
opportunity
where
it
arises,
for
us
to
be
able
to
explain
more
and
encourage
them
to
join
and
that's
how
the
anchors
network
has
grown
over
time
organically.
So,
for
example,
the
British
Library
joined
at
a
point
in
time
where
our
relationship
had
built
more
strongly
with
them
and
they
were
more
engaged
with
the
city
and
they
felt
that
it
was
the
right
time
to
join
the
network.
K
So
we're
always
keeping
in
mind
that
it
would
be
powerful
to
bring
in
more
members,
but
they
have
to
be
the
principle
of
the
core
rankers
Network,
this
microphone's
a
bit
poor.
So
hopefully
you
can
still
hear
me.
K
So
that's
why
the
private
sector
progression
framework
is
being
developed
in
parallel
and
then
we're
going
to
create
opportunities
to
bring
the
two
forums
together
and
that's
why
it's
being
designed
in
that
way.
Hopefully
that
answers
that
question
and
then
the
procurement
question.
We
have
a
procurement
subgroup
of
the
anchors
executive
group
that
meets
regularly.
K
K
As
noted
in
this
report,
and
so
it's
quite
timely
for
us
to
potentially
look
again
at
that
and
look
at
what
the
scope
of
possibility
is
both
through
our
own
procurement
channels.
But
working
with
the
other
anchors
networks.
So
and
that'll
be
something
that
we
look
to
progress
in
the
next
Municipal
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you
Eve.
Oh,
no,
follow-up
questions
to
that
and
in
the
absence
of
any
other
indication,
I
shall
wait
for
five
seconds
in
case
the
spirit
moves:
anyone,
no
okay.
So
thanks
very
much
Eve
and
Fiona
for
your
attendance
for
your
responses
to
to
our
questions.
I
think
it's
been
a
good
again
another
helpful
session
and
we
will
give
you
a
few
seconds
to
move
out.
While
our
colleagues
from
essentially
Oh
I
thought
they
were
planning
moving.
A
Okay,
welcome
I
mean
before
we
start
I
will
ask
the
three
officers
in
attendance
to
to
introduce
themselves,
but
basically
just
to
say
that
again,
this
is
another
follow-up
from
a
previous
inquiry
that
was
undertaken
jointly
with
another
scrutiny
but
I
think
a
very
effective
piece
of
work
and
collaboration
into
housing
mix
within
the
City,
by
which
we
mean
are
we
getting
the
right
house
at
the
right
tenure
in
the
right
price
and
in
the
right
place
and
I
think
there
are
elements
of
this?
A
M
Thanks
chair,
so
my
name's
Martin
Elliott
and
I'm,
head
of
strategic
planning
I'll
pass
on
to
Sarah
who'll,
introduce
the
report.
N
Hi
I'm
Sarah
hello,
our
principal
planner
and
I've
drafted
this
report
for
you,
I'll
pass
on
to
my
other
colleague
before
I.
Go
into
the
discussion.
N
Apologies
I'm
a
bit
croaky
still
from
a
a
colder
can't
shake,
but
I've
got
my
drink
to
keep
going.
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
wanted
to
do
each
one,
each
recommendation
at
a
time
or
go
through
them
and
then
have
questions
at
the
end
altogether.
N
Thank
you
very
much
so
good
morning,
members,
this
housing
mix
now
covers
six
recommendations
which
remain
from
the
original
solutionary
board
report,
inquiry
2015-16
and
recommendations.
Three
and
five
provided
updates
since
last
year's
security
board,
but
recommendations.
Four,
eight,
nine
and
ten
are
updated
since
last
year.
N
But
it's
important
to
know
these
recommendations
are
linked
to
the
Leeds
local
Plan
2014,
scoping
consultation
document,
which
is
the
next
engender
item
in
terms
of
recommendation
3,
which
arranges
for
seeks
to
arrange
for
Planned
panel
members
to
receive
further
information
and
training
on
best
practice
in
dealing
with
scheme
viability,
appraisals
in
collaboration
with
other
West
Yorkshire
authorities
and
the
planning
advisory
service.
This
is
sort
of
just
a
bit
of
an
update.
Obviously
it's
become
a
regular
occurrence
that
has
viability,
training
and
I
understand
that
there
was
some
training.
N
This
Monday
just
gone
on,
affordable
housing
with
viability
haven't
listened
to
it,
yet
so
something
to
listen
to
later
and
further
information.
Further
sessions,
I
understand
that
have
been
planned
are
for
conservation
on
the
26th
of
April
in
the
morning
and
carbon
reduction
environmental
Improvement
on
the
10th
of
May
in
the
morning.
N
I
know
it's
not
part
of
the
scrutiny
board,
but
I
thought
I'd
just
say:
what's
coming
ahead,
recommendation
for
reports
back
to
the
relevant
Security
Board,
the
implementation
and
success
of
the
proposed
assessment
guidance
and
other
proposed
actions
and
ground
housing
needs
assessments
was
noticing
the
report.
There
are
no
further
individual
housing
assessments
or
Market
assessments
are
in
programmed
in,
but
this
doesn't
mean
that
if
they're
not
needed,
they
won't
be
done.
Subject
to
resourcing
desire
important
to
note
that
as
part
of
the
local,
the
LLP
2040.
N
If
you
don't
mind
me
saying
it's
a
long,
it's
a
long
thing
to
say
a
new
strategic
housing
market
assessment
has
been
commissioned
and
would
be
a
key
piece
of
evidence
in
supporting
the
plan,
preparation
and
obviously
to
do
with
housing
policies
going
forward
and
more
information
is
provided
in
the
next
agenda.
On
this.
The
enjoy
item
on
this
in
terms
of
recommendation
5
ensures
the
appropriate
assistance
is
offered
to
neighbor
planning
forums,
local
neighborhood
forums,
parties
to
assist
in
the
drawing
of
Naval
plans.
O
Thanks
Sarah,
just
just
a
brief
update
in
the
past
year,
two
plans
have
had
successful
examinations.
That's
headingly
and
garforth.
O
O
A
couple
of
things
to
mention
which
are
new
and
perhaps
of
interest
to
members
number
one.
Is
the
the
Pilot
We
successfully
secured
the
funding
from
the
Department
of
labeling
up
for
a
pilot
project
looking
at
the
preparation
of
community
priority
statements,
which
in
effect
is
a
simplified
neighborhood
plan
which
takes
just
a
year
rather
than
a
number
of
years,
and
so
far
Chapel
town
here,
Hills
and
map
gate,
Lincoln,
Green
and
burmintoffs
I've
been
progressing
actually
pretty
well
in
the
past
year.
O
P
N
So
it's
recommendation.
Eight
reports
back
to
the
appropriate
Security
Board.
The
improvements
to
housing
mix
achieves
the
practice
of
discussing
mixer
to
pre-application
that
pre-application
stage,
and
so
as
always,
housing
mix
continues
to
be
a
key
area
of
discussions
in
the
determination
of
planning,
applications,
pre-applications
and
going
forward
in
the
plan
making
process
in
the
report,
tables
1,
1A
and
a
and
1B
highlight
the
monitoring
housing
mix.
N
Since
the
policy
was
adopted
in
2014.,
we
did
introduce
breaking
down
the
breaking
down
the
city
center
and
Knots,
including
the
city
center
a
few
years
ago,
which
we
thought
was
a
helpful
bit
of
information
to
break
down
and
try
and
work
out
some
Trends
and
what
influences
those
in
table
one
it
highlights.
The
housing
makes
approval
to
cost
the
districts,
and
the
data
shows
the
housing
mix
across
the
district
has
significantly
improved
against
the
targets.
N
N
It's
highlights
the
nazimix
approvals
taking
out
the
city
center.
This
data
shows
that
most
figures
are
improving
towards
the
targets
in
terms
of
table.
1B
highlights
the
housing
mix
for
the
city
center.
Only
one
bed
units
are
produced
by
over
20,
which
I
think
is
a
really
significant
progress,
and
it
shows
that
how
it's
working
through
Pan's
panel
and
the
issuing
real
discussions
about
housing
mix.
Two
bed
units
have
increased
by
just
under
20..
N
So,
whilst
the
proportion
of
three
beds
has
reduced,
which
I
think
comes
a
bit
of
a
surprise,
when
I
asked
some
questions
about
this,
because
there's
been
so
much
discussion
and
on
three
bed
units,
especially
at
City
Center
plans
panel,
let
alone
East,
Northeast
and
southwest.
This
is
due
to
a
newly
approved
site
at
the
former
goodyard
at
Sun
Street,
which
is
well
over
a
thousand
units,
and
that
has
obviously
had
an
influence,
which
provides
only
one
and
two
flats
and
a
small
number
of
four.
N
So
that's
skewed
it
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
four
bed
units.
This
has
gone
up,
which
is
really
as
a
result
of
student
accommodation
which,
as
I
said
earlier,
is
because
comprising
of
cluster
Flats.
So
overall,
it
is
considered
that
the
tables
and
the
data
provided
show
that's
because
continue
to
move
closer
to
targets,
reflective
improved
policy
orientation
and
efforts
during
the
management
development
management
process
in
terms
of
table
two.
This
talks
about
affordable
housing,
since
the
policy
was
adopted
in
2014.
N
I
know
that
it's
recently,
my
colleagues,
my
colleagues
Krista
Jolly,
came
to
Security
Board
in
January
and
had
talked
about
the
action
plan,
and
so
we
haven't
gone
into
much
data
because
obviously
you're
fully
aware
of
that.
But
obviously
we've
come
through
a
pandemic.
Obviously,
delivery
of
housing
has
slowed
down,
but
we're
still
under
meeting
it,
but
obviously
there's
a
plan
of
action
going
forward
in
that.
So
it's
part
of
the
scoping
Leeds
local
plan.
N
2040
housing
is
one
of
the
topic
areas
being
consulted
on
and
this
covers
all
ranges
of
of
of
housing,
not
just
housing
mix
and
affordable
housing.
But
obviously
that's
key
to
this
scrutiny.
Board
Reclamation
nine.
The
chief
planning
office,
advises
that
joint
plans
panel
actions
to
be
taken
regarding
the
implementation
of
policy
H4
and
proposed
actions
to
ensure
improved
delivery
so
stay
still
here.
It's
still
a
high
priority
matter
regularly
discussed
at
plans.
N
Offices
are
aware
of
the
focus
that
members
of
panel
give
to
this
issue
and
it
is
becoming
much
more
of
a
discussion
with
us
in
our
consultations
in
terms
of,
and
this
software
is
reflected
as
the
start
selling
recommendation.
Eight
that
significant
progress
is
being
made
and
we
are
doing
it
all
at
the
earliest
opportunities
that
we
can
so
and
once
again
as
part
of
scoping.
N
This
is
covered
through
the
next
agenda
item
in
terms
of
recommendation
10,
the
director
of
environment,
housing,
the
chief
planning
officer,
Explorer,
Mark,
adherent
and
detailed
approach
to
identifying
the
needs
for
specialist
accommodation
and
how
this
can
be
met
and
report
back
to
the
relevant
Security
Board.
Now
we
talk
about
policy
H9
and
10,
which
are
minimum
space
standards
and
accessibility,
accessible
housing
standards
and
they
were
induct
in
2019.
So
we
have
now
really
good
data
to
assess.
N
We
haven't
got
the
data
here,
but
we
know
that
the
information
that
I've
been
given
that
is
due
to
be
published
very
soon
is
that
we
are
meeting
those
in
our
approvals
going
for
since
it
was
adopted.
So
that's
a
positive
and
that
will
be
provided
in
the
annual
monitoring
reports.
I
will
call
it
the
only
one.
It's
the
only
one
monitoring
reports,
which
is
due
out
very
soon.
N
So
once
again,
this
links
into
the
scope
of
the
local
lease
plan,
Leeds
local
plan,
2040
consultation
and
obviously
making
much
continuing
this
approach
that
we
have
so
I
hope.
That's
obvious,
chair.
D
Yeah
thanks
just
a
quick
one:
you've
talked
about
affordable
housing,
I.
Think
you're,
quite
was
you
were
under
meeting
the
target.
You
know
by
exactly
how
many
homes
you're
missing
that
Target
by.
M
Thanks
counselor,
we
actually
don't
have
an
affordable
housing
Target
set
in
the
plan.
We
have
a
housing
Target
set
in
the
plan
for
3
200
homes
and
we
have
identified
an
affordable
housing
need
of
some
1230
homes
per
year.
But
we
know
that
we're
not
going
to
meet
that
affordable
housing
need,
because
we
know
that
the
corresponding
amount
of
investment
that
we
can
provide
and
the
the
sourcing
of
affordable
housing
from
Market
housing
via
section
106,
simply
isn't
happening
at
scale.
M
So
so
what
we
do
report
on
is
we
report
on
the
total
amount
that
we've
we've
delivered
in
each
year
and
you'll
see
from
that
table
that
there's
particularly
low
delivery
from
section
106,
but
where
we've
got
Grant
assisted
and
we've
got
the
Leeds
Council
home
program.
Those
have
actually
increased
over
the
past
10
years.
M
So
one
of
the
things
that
the
Leeds
local
plan
2040
will
need
to
look
at
is
how
planning
can
be
used
to
increase
the
number
of
affordable
houses,
not
simply
by
asking
for
a
proportion
of
it
through
section
106,
but
looking
at
other
mechanisms,
such
as
release
of
land
for
100,
affordable
housing
and
working
more
in
partnership
with
our
registered
provider.
Partners
to
ensure
that
they've
got
access
to
the
right
land
in
the
right
place
to
deliver
their
needs.
D
Oh
actually
yeah
just
a
genuine
question
because
I
wasn't
sure
I'm
relatively
inexperienced
in
this,
but
you
mentioned
the
106
bunny.
Just
so
I
understand.
Are
there
scenarios
where
the
developer
can
offset
the
need
to
build
affordable
housing
by
offering
the
council
cash
or
service
incentives?
Does
that
happen.
M
Yes,
yes
counselor,
so
so
generally,
the
the
policies
that
we
have
in
the
local
plan
require
the
affordable
housing
to
be
delivered
on
site.
M
There
are
circumstances
due
to
particular
psych
constraints,
potentially
something
to
do
with
maybe
listed
buildings
or
Topography
of
the
site
that
warrant
that
affordable
housing
being
delivered
off-site,
but
in
general,
in
the
outer
areas
outside
the
city
center,
then
most
of
that
affordable
housing
gets
delivered
on
site
where
that
kind
of
differs
is
in
the
city
center,
where
we're
trying
to
build
it
pace
for
a
bill
to
rent
type
model
and
because
the
build
to
rent
type
model
is
very
much
about
providing
lots
of
on-site
facilities
for
particular
renters
within
that
it's
difficult
to
provide
the
affordable
housing
and
what
we
call
Pepper
Pot
that
affordable
housing
and
manage
it
through
a
registered
provider
on
site.
M
So
we'll
tend
to
see
more
of
those
commuted
sums
happening
through
development
decisions
within
the
city
center,
but
they
get
recycled
where
they
can
into
City
Center
schemes,
and
we've
got
two
schemes.
One
at
Celia
Street,
which
I
think
is,
is
in
the
process
of
being
delivered
at
the
moment
where
those
monies
are
spent.
D
Thanks
for
that
So,
based
on
on
what
you've
just
said
there,
would
you
be
able
to
give
me
a
number
of
priorities
so
for
every
affordable
home
that
a
developer
doesn't
build
and
gives
you
106
money?
How
many
do
you
actually
build
in
affordable
homes?
Does
that
make
sense.
M
It
makes
perfect
sense.
I
can't
give
you
that
off
the
top
of
my
head
counselor,
but
I
can
certainly
go
back
to
colleagues
who
who
deal
in
more
detail
with
that
information.
We
can
provide
you
with
that
answer.
A
C
Yes,
thank
you
Jenna
on
page
38,
at
the
top,
there
are
the
neighborhood
plans
and
there
are
14
at
neighborhood
funds
made
of
which
12
are
in
outer
Northeast
and
I
just
wondered,
particularly
given
the
reference
to
the
the
three
which
are
being
reviewed
at
the
moment,
whether
you
could
pop
to
any
single
thing.
That's
been
achieved
by
any
of
these
14
plans,
because,
certainly
in
all
woodless
case,
there
is
nothing
that
they
can
say.
C
They've
had
a
plan
now
for
what
five
six
years
seven
years
and
they
can
point
to
nothing
which
it
has
achieved.
So,
if
you
could
tell
me
what
those
three
reviews
are
for,
please
I'll
be
very
interesting.
A
Before
you
come
in
on
that,
this
is
an
issue
Neil
that
you
managed
to
identify
where
there
is
commonality
between
the
two
is
because
I'm
always
been
an
agnostic
about
neighborhood
plans.
Tremendous
amount
of
time
and
effort
goes
in
from
the
community,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it
actually
achieves
anything
other
than
that
which
would
be
achieved
through
the
normal
planning
planning
process.
A
In
the
absence
of
the
plan
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
identify
benefits
that
have
accrued
to
communities
real
substantive
benefits
before
we
encourage
people
to
embark
on
what
is
a
very
detailed
process.
In
fact
where
I
live,
I
think
it's
still
being
undertaken
in
a
very
a
very
resource
intensive
way
so
over
to
you,
I
think
Ian.
B
O
O
So,
for
example,
on
Monday
night
I
attended
a
meeting
in
otley
and
they're
one
of
the
groups
that
are
reviewing
their
neighborhood
plan,
and
that
was
with
an
officer
who
deals
with
planning
applications
and
oddly
and
the
neighborhood
plan
has
made
a
difference
in
terms
of
determining
planning
applications
in
that
area.
There
have
been
many
examples
where
the
plan
has
been
used
positively
and
that's
not
coming
from
me.
O
That's
coming
from
the
neighborhood
planning
Steering
group
of
otley
Town
Council,
but
in
addition
to
that,
every
plans
have
identified
over
300
local
green
spaces,
which
many
of
which,
most
of
which
would
otherwise
not
have
been
protected,
and
these
tend
to
be
the
smaller
green
spaces
that
are
not
identified
in
the
site
allocations
plan,
which
only
protects
green
spaces.
Above
0.2
of
a
hectare
there's
non-designated
Heritage
assets
again,
a
comparable
number
of
probably
around
300,
have
been
identified.
O
Many
of
these
in
the
outer
North
East
area
and
in
many
of
the
inner
city
communities.
I.
Think,
aside
from
the
normal
planning
benefits,
I
think
for
the
first
time
in
many
of
these
areas,
there
has
been
a
community
Forum
working
on
a
vision
working
on
objectives,
working
on
delivering
change
with
not
only
the
council
but
other
organizations
and
I
think
in
chapeltown
here,
Hills
and
mapgate.
That
is
happening
at
the
moment
and
and
I
think
I'm
very
happy
with
the
progress
that's
been
been
made.
O
O
One
of
these
sites
has
already
been
more
or
less
delivered.
One
is
about
to
be
granted
planning
approval
for
14
homes
and
the
other.
There
is
a
public
exhibition
taking
place
for
for
a
site
for
four
homes
next
week,
so
these
are
some
of
some
of
the
benefits.
O
Generally
speaking,
the
reviews
that
are
taking
place
are
about
reflecting
on
the
The
Clarity
of
the
policies
in
the
neighborhood
plans,
the
relevance
of
them
because
some
of
them
have
become
out
of
date
and
how
robust
the
language
of
those
policies
are
and
I
do
think.
That's
an
important
consideration.
O
It's
worthwhile,
pointing
out
that
the
the
the
review
of
neighboring
plans
that's
very
much
the
groups
themselves
knocking
on
the
council's
door
and
asking
for
support
to
review
those
neighborhood
plans.
It's
not
that
we
are
encouraging
those
groups
to
do
so.
I
mean
we
are
having
real
discussions
with
those
groups
about
what
it
is
you're
actually
trying
to
achieve,
and
whether
that
endeavor
will
be
worthwhile.
C
Yeah
I'm
just
saying
very
briefly
that
there
seems
to
be
an
awful
disconnect
between
the
amount
of
time
and
effort
that
people
put
into
making
the
plan
compared
to
the
outcome,
which
they
seem
to
be
very
little
in
terms
of
what
is
a
rule
that
should
be
obeyed
or
something
like
that.
C
We
had
a
situation
in
all
Woodly,
where
the
policy
was
very
much
against
pulling
down
or
altering
flats
and
making
them
into
pulling
out
houses
and
making
them
into
flats,
and
that
was
simply
swept
aside,
and
it
was
just
oh
well,
you
know
it's
it's
part
of
the
policy
and
it
it
cannot
be
existed.
So
I
think
there's
a
big
disappointment
actually,
and
it's
caused
some
public
councils
and
I
suspect.
Well.
C
A
I
mean
I
think
one
of
the
the
positive
byproducts,
as
they
say,
I'm,
I'm
agnostic
and
tend
to
tend
to
see
myself
in
alignment
with
you.
Although
clearly
the
office
has
demonstrated
that
there
are
improvements
is
that
it
does
create
a
nucleus
of
local
people
who,
irrespective
of
the
local
plan,
are
interested
in
planning
issues
and
therefore
a
sufficiently
equipped
to
respond
to
planning
applications,
small
medium
and
large,
but
that's
not
a
product
of
the
neighborhood
plan.
That's
the
product
of
people
getting
together
and
developing
that
awareness
and
and
expertise.
A
O
Thanks
Jerry,
it's
really
just
for
clarification.
That
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
a
lack
of
understanding
of
what
a
neighborhood
plan
actually
saves.
Now
I
have
had
a
number
of
complaints
from
parish
councils
and
neighborhood
forums
that
the
council
is
not
taking
account
of
the
neighborhood
plan
and
upon
investigating
those
complaints.
O
They
have
largely
been
unfounded,
and
they
are
weirdly
example
is.
Is
is
one
of
these
examples
because
there
is
no
policy
in
the
old
Whitley
neighborhood
plan
that
would
prevent
such
a
a
building
from
being
demolished
and
used
for
for
blocks
blocks
of
flats
and
I.
Think
that's
part
of
the
issue
there
is.
O
There
is
no
policy
and
there
probably
could
be
no
policy,
because
what
would
be
the
evidence
to
have
such
a
policy,
and
so
I
think
that
is
a
big
part
of
a
big
part
of
it
is,
is
Clarity
on
what
is
actually
in
the
neighborhood
plans,
and
we
have
all
learned
a
lot
about
neighbor
planning
in
the
past
10
years
and
what
makes
a
good
policy
and
what
a
neighborhood
plan
should
be
doing
in
an
Ideal,
World
I.
A
But
there
are
also
plans-
and
so
my
final
word
on
it
that
are
pushing
at
an
Open
Door
in
planning
terms,
because
anecdotally,
most
of
the
people
who've
asked
me
over
the
years
about
well.
Is
it
worthwhile
in
a
neighborhood
plan
of
hope
that
they
were
an
instrument
for
preventing
housing,
development
of
the
type
that
councilor
Buckley's
mentioned
or
guard
and
grabbing
as
we
used
to
call
it
or
other
developments,
and
clearly
some
of
them
never
embarked
upon
the
process
because
they
were
told
very
firmly?
A
No,
it
does
not
allow
you
to
do
that
if
a
neighborhood
plan
identifies
sites
for
housing.
Well,
that's
they're,
pushing
it
an
Open
Door
in
planning
terms
and
I'm
sure
a
a
welcome
by
planners
in
in
many
respects,
but
I
think
John.
Do
you
want
to
come
on
this
or
have
we
covered
the
point
that
you
wanted
to
raise.
E
C
Thank
you
chair
at
an
otley
councilor,
but
I
put
my
two
penneth
in
about
the
neighborhood
plan
and
I.
Think
it's
true
what
both
Neil
and
Paul
say,
I
think
those
people
in
our
community
thought
it
might
be
a
way
of
stopping
development.
C
C
C
It
doesn't
stop
all
development
and
there
are
still,
of
course,
large
groups
of
people
who
are
unhappy
that
development
is
coming
forward,
but
it
was
never
going
to
stop
her.
It
was
quite
clear
and
I.
Think
Ian
made
that
quite
clear
to
the
Steering
group
at
the
very
beginning
that
it
wasn't
going
to
stop
the
large
sap
allocated
developments.
C
All
it
can
do
is
try
and
drive
good
design,
good
environmental
awareness
on
those
developments,
and
they
are
actively
taking
part
in
that
process
in
the
in
in
the
one
particular
development
that
is
currently
in
the
hands
of
the
council's
planners
and
I.
Think
overall,
the
Town
Council
would
say
that
the
plan
has
been
beneficial.
C
It
doesn't
age
review,
though,
because
you'll
be
aware
that
the
planning
inspector
has
made
a
judgment
that
has
prioritized
the
neighborhood
plan
over
the
sap,
which
opens
a
whole
can
of
worms
for
unitary
or
for
local
planning
authorities
if
it
is
taken
as
the
as
it.
If
it's
taken
the
setting
precedent,
we
have
serious
concerns
about
that
planning
inspector.
Its
decision
on
that
particular
development
and
in
due
course
that
will
work
its
way
through,
but
broadly
neighborhood
plans
have
worked
for
otley
and
will
continue
to
be
used.
C
Can
I
go
on
about
the
tables
if
I
could?
Is
that
all
right,
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
have
a
chat
around
tables,
1A,
1B
and
table
two
so
tables
one?
A
and
one
B
are
about
the
number
of
bedrooms
involved.
The
policy
H2
Target
was
set
at
the
last
local
plan,
update
I,
assume
in
2014-ish.
C
Maybe
I
can't
help
but
know
that
the
one
bedroomed
is
set
at
10
and
we
are
a
long
long
way
away
from
that,
particularly
if
you
had
the
city
center
and
I
understand
and
I
recognize
that
the
students
are
moving
from
headingley
into
the
center
and
everything.
But
the
question
really
is
around
the
targets.
C
In
hindsight,
do
we
think
those
targets
were
over
ambitious
around
number
of
one
and
four
bedroomed
houses,
because
they
were
set
at
10
percent
and
we're
nowhere
near
getting
10,
particularly
around
the
one-bedroomed
houses
and,
secondly,
I
wanted
to
sort
of
unpick
really
the
affordable
housing
completions
by
delivery
vehicles?
C
Personally,
that's
in
numerical
numbers,
not
percentages
which
I
find
quite
interesting,
because
the
the
other
two
tables
are
in
percentages
rather
than
numerical
numbers.
It
would
be
nice
to
know
the
numerical
numbers
really,
as
well
as
the
percentage
of
the
total
and
I
just
wondered.
C
I,
don't
know
what
I
wanted
I
can't
remember
what
I
thought
about
it
now
I
think
I
was
more
concerned
about
well.
First
I
wanted
to
congratulate
and
and
I
shouldn't
really
say
this,
because
people
will
pick
up
on
it,
but
LC
LCC
programs
and
non-assisted
delivery.
C
C
Well,
this
person's
political
view
is
that
we
don't
have
enough
Council
houses
and
we
should
build
more
and
if
the
council
can
do
that,
I,
don't
care
whether
it's
a
labor,
Council,
conservative,
Council
or
lib
Dem
or
anybody
else.
We
need
more
Council
houses,
section
106,
taking
consideration
what
councilor
Foster
said
that
hasn't
really
grown
in
numbers
as
much
as
I
thought.
A
N
I
shall
tackle
housing
mix,
which
H
for
obviously
adopted
correctly
in
2014..
N
This
is
where
it's
I
think
when
we
discussed
it
last
year,
philosophy
it's
an
awkward
one,
because
actually
the
policy
doesn't
have
the
targets
or
the
ranges
in
so
actually
talks
about
long-term
need
and
taking
account
character
and
location.
So
actually
the
it's
not
that's,
got
the
full
weight.
That
is
the
policy
that
we
are.
We
are
implementing
the
supporting
text,
which
includes
the
preferred
mixes
district-wide,
but
obviously
a
fallback
position
appears
to
be
that
people
just
go
straight
to
that.
N
So
obviously
people
are
going
to
that,
but
over
the
in
the
historic
reports
that
have
come
for
the
last,
how
many
years,
if
you
have
a
range,
if
you
have
a
range
of
zero
to
fifty
percent,
then
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
market
or
the
developers
you
know
and
who
who's
coming
forward
to
develop
sites
may
choose
to
work
on
the
minimum,
the
minimums
or
the
maximum.
N
So
in
the
old
days
we
had
basically
no
four
beds
and
things
like
that,
because
it
was
a
zero
thing,
so
obviously
we're
working
hard
with
our
colleagues
to
implement
it.
Obviously
it
is
discussed
and
I
think
we
are
working
towards
it,
but
obviously
we're
going
forward
now
into
looking
scoping
through
the
local
plan
review,
2014,
so
many
phrases
used
and
that
that
actually
is
going
to
be
something
obviously
we're
looking
at
and
we'll
wait
for
what
evidence
comes
through
the
schmar
of
how
we're
looking
at
areas
and
this
and
the
other.
N
So
you
know
that's
what
we
have
that's
what
we
have
to
work
with:
that's
the
most
up-to-date
policy
and
supporting
information
that
we
have.
So
that's
what
we
have
to
work
with,
but
we
are
aware
of
the
issues
and
we
look
forward
to
receiving
response
comments
and
views
on
how
we
can
take
the
housing
mix
forward.
N
M
I
think
there's
there's
one
thing:
that's
important
to
stress
that
I
think
answers
both
of
your
questions
and
I.
Think
it
is
that
that
the
location
of
the
significant
housing
growth
in
Leeds
that
we
thought
we'd
have
back
in
2014
hasn't
materialized
and
by
that
I
mean
we've
had
far
more
housing
delivery
in
the
city
center
than
we
thought.
We
would
have
back
when
we
set
the
core
strategy
and
its
policy
that,
coupled
with
taking
20
000
homes.
M
At
one
point,
the
council
considered
it
needed
to
be
released
from
the
green
belt.
But
then,
through
the
site
allocation
plan
process
were
taken
out
because
of
a
change
in
government
policy
when
they
introduced
a
standard
method.
Halfway
through
our
site
allocation
plan
process
meant
that
the
development's
been
more
heavily
skewed
towards
the
city
center
and
the
main
urban
area.
Now
in
the
city
center
in
the
main
urban
area,
we're
only
seeking
seven
percent
affordable
housing,
whereas
in
the
outer
areas
we're
seeking
35,
affordable
housing.
M
So,
if
you've
not
got
as
much
to
start
with
you're
going
to
get
less
as
a
result
that,
coupled
with
the
difficulty
that
I
alluded
to
earlier
around
Bill
to
rent,
not
being
not
not
supporting
delivery
of
on-site,
affordable
housing
and
using
viability
and
and
the
government's
viability
assessment
as
as
a
means
of
avoiding
that
delivery
of
seven
percent
has
meant
that
section,
106
hasn't
performed
as
we
would
like
it
to
have
done
and
I
think,
coupled
with
the
fact
that
some
of
our
big
outer
area
schemes
like
Ace
leads
extension
east
of
otley
east
of
wetherby
are
only
now
really
starting
to
come
to
fruition.
M
Where
actually,
we
will
see
some
of
those
bigger
numbers.
So
we've
got
a
recent
Reserve
matters:
approval
for
East
of
wetherby
for
a
thousand
homes,
I'm,
sorry
for
I,
think
it's
800
odd
homes,
but
35
of
those
will
be
affordable.
M
So
so
I
think
there
is
a
lag
within
that.
So
I
think
that
hopefully
explains
some
of
the
trends
that
you're
seeing
in
the
figures
there,
both
for
the
mix
where
we've
seen
far
more
one
and
two
bed
than
we
thought.
We
would,
and
also
for
for
the
affordables.
C
Thank
you
Martin
for
the
benefits
of
the
hundreds
of
people
watching
the
three
people
watching
outline
and
for
me,
because
it's
my
first
year
on
the
on
this
scrutiny.
Why
is
viability
so
important?
Is
that
just
about
developers,
profits.
M
So
thanks
counselor
we've
had
this
conversation
a
number
of
times
at
this
scrutiny
panel,
because
it's
directly
relevant
to
achieving
some
of
the
benefits
and
some
of
the
gains
that
members
are
really
Keen
to
see.
I
think
it
exists
and
it
existed
after
the
crash
in
in
2007
and
eight,
where
the
government
policy
introduced
at
sort
of
a
high
level,
both
within
the
national
plan
and
policy
framework
as
it
applied
to
the
creation
of
policies,
but
also
at
the
decision
taking
stage
of
the
planning
application.
M
That
viability
was
a
material
consideration
and
the
government
produced
guidance
around
how
councils
should
calculate
that.
But
that
guidance
which
follows
the
Royal
Institute
of
started
surveyors,
thus
set
out
that
developers
can
still
make
a
reasonable
profit.
M
And
now
there's
there'll
be
different
opinions
as
to
what
that
reasonable
profit
is.
But
it's
generally
industry
standard
that
that
profit
for
a
volume
house,
Builder
might
be
around
20
percent
and
and
that's
been
accepted
in
courts.
That's
been
accepted
through
the
planning
inspectorate
and
that's
the
system
that
we
work
within
now.
M
What
you'll
know
is
since
2007-8,
when
I
think
there
was.
There
was
hopes
that
we'd
be
on
an
upsurge
in
terms
of
an
economic
upsurge
and
economic
growth
that
happened
to
some
extent,
but
obviously,
we've
had
the
pandemic,
which
has
had
implications
on
viability.
We've
had
the
brexit,
which
has
had
significant
impacts
on
supplies
and
cost
building
costs,
and
we've
also
had
the
war
in
Ukraine,
which
has
also
affected
those
costs.
So
at
the
moment,
developers
are
telling
us
that
simply
building
these
things
is
extremely
expensive.
M
So
doing
additional
things
like
providing
affordable
housing
as
well.
Just
simply
can't
happen
in
certain
situations.
What
we
do
do
is
we
use
the
district
valuer,
who
provides
an
independent
observation
at
every
every
committee
planning
committee
to
to
to
to
to
actually
provide
an
independent
view
as
to
whether
or
not
that
viability
case
holds
or
not.
M
C
Okay,
so,
first
of
all
that
that
policy
that
introduced,
yeah
I've
forgotten
liability,
not
value
yeah
viability.
What
year
was
that
Martin?
Can
you
remember,
because,
as
a
yeah
just
answer
that
quickly.
M
So
so
I
think
that
was
very
much
enshrined
in
the
National
plan
and
policy
framework
2012
and
then
there's
been
more
guidance
on
that
ever
since
I.
C
Thought
my
lot
would
be
to
blame
was
hoping
you
were
going
to
say,
2009
and
then
I
could
blame
them
and
sending
out
my
second
question
around
the
liability.
Then
the
problem
is
isn't
it?
Is
that
there's
always
it's
a
bit
like
the
price
of
petrol
or
fuel?
C
It
goes
up
like
a
rocket
and
it
comes
down
like
a
feather
and
we
have
had
in
the
last
five
years
some
shocks
to
the
the
housing
market,
whether
it
be
brexit,
whether
it
be
the
pandemic,
whether
it
be
a
war
in
Ukraine
costs
go
up,
but
they
will
they
should
come
down,
but
they
will
come
down
very,
very
slowly
and
yet
for
the
next
five
years
the
developers
will
go
to
the
value,
District
value
and
say
we're
still
suffering
the
effects
of
the
pandemic.
We're
still
suffering
the
effects
of
brexit
we're
still
suffering.
A
Did
you
just
before
you
just
before
you
come
in
I
I
attended
a
session
for
members?
It
was
open
beyond
just
planning
committee
members
with
the
district
value,
and
certainly
we
were
reassured
as
members
at
that
time
that
the
district
value
takes
a
very,
very
robust
approach
to
these
claims
of
viability.
It's
not
just
a
case
of
oh
pandemic,
oh
Ukraine,
oh
cost
of
living.
A
They
are
experts
in
the
field
of
going
line
by
line
in
detail
through
the
claims
of
viability
and
a
very
I
think
very
robust
in
discharging
that
responsibility,
so
the
art
developers,
dupes
and
I
think
if
there
are
changes
in
costs,
then
the
district
value
has
the
expertise
to
say
no
can't
let
you
get
away
with
that
any
longer.
A
Our
knowledge
from
the
industry
is
that
this
unit
cost
for
this
particular
activity
is
now
X
and
not
the
Y
that
you're
claiming
am
I
being
on
Julie,
optimistic
Martin,
but
I
did
get
that
very,
very
strong
impression
from
that
session.
M
That's
correct,
councilor,
trustwell
and
and
Sarah's
actually
got
some
some
additional
point
about
clawback
as
well,
which
I
think
be
relevant
to
members.
N
In
my
past
life
as
a
development
management
officer
here,
obviously
viability
is
always
one
that
comes
along
and
obviously
affordable.
Housing
seems
to
be
the
key
one,
that's
lost,
but
over
time,
especially
on
bigger
schemes
and
half
different
phasing
over
time,
we
I've
used
clawback,
we've
used
Clause
back
since
section.
106
is
a
review
over
a
period
of
time
if
things
have
changed
and
also
if
they
come
back
into
amend
scheme
that
they
haven't
started
or
are
in
the
process
starting
and
things
change,
then
that
they
still
have
to
continue
on
assessing.
A
God
I
wish
the
rest
of
my
group
had
the
same
confidence
in
me:
counselor
Hussein
and
then
counselor
kiji.
G
G
G
All
right
and
we're
not
focusing
even
onto
the
four
bedrooms
and
also
be
honest
with
you
right
and
I
have
a
number
of
the
families
in
my
world
where
they
are
living
a
two-bedroom
house
doesn't
matter.
They
are
with
the
council,
tenants
any
private,
Housing
Association,
a
husband
and
a
wife.
Five
to
six
children's
houses,
not
into
the
good
conditions,
a
very
poor
could
be
medical
history
right
and
then
we're
talking
about
not
just
only
a
to
the
rehouse
to
them
and
I.
G
Think
it's
the
children's
from
the
beginning
of
the
stage
of
the
age,
not
getting
a
good
healthy
life
so
be
interested.
You
need
to
look
the
need
of
especially
the
four
bedrooms
right
in
across
the
city,
where
it's
at
least
the
people
we
cannot
and
coming.
This
chair
be
honestly
right,
especially
what
we
was
talking
about
just
now.
G
The
price
is
going
up
where
the
people
I
could
be
not
going
to
afford
to
pay
the
mortgage
anything
else,
but
I
and
the
family
people
where
they
are
going
to
be
all
right,
and
that
is
a
very,
very
big
question
mark
not
just
only
into
the
my
order,
I
think
it's
across
the
city
and
we
needed
to
focus
we
needed
to
look.
Is
it
time
to
move
with
families
as
well?
I
can
understand
one
bedroom,
two
bedrooms,
three
bedrooms,
but
large
families
as
well
chair.
Please.
A
If
I
can
just
chip
in
briefly
I
think
councilor
Jose
makes
a
very
important
point
and
I
think
he's
your
point.
A
reef.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
four
bedroom
social
and
affordable
housing,
because
developers
will
build
four
bedroom
detached
and
you
know
five
bedroom,
six
bedroom
executive
homes
on
Greenfield
sites
in
the
suburbs
until
they're
coming
out
of
their
ears
literally,
but
it's
the
need
for
affordable
and
social,
rented
Council
and
and
registered
provider.
A
Housing,
Association
properties
and
I
know
from
experiencing
my
own
Ward
that
we
went
through
a
period
some
years
ago,
where
we
were
being
told.
Oh
there's,
no
great
demand
for
four
bedroom
properties
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
huge
demand
for
four
bedroom
properties
that
we
can't
meet
and
I.
Think
and
I.
A
Think
that's
the
point
that
you're
making
it's
a
really
valid
one
and
I'm
just
wondering
oh
I,
don't
want
to
stray
into
the
area
of
another
scrutiny
board,
but
I'm
just
wondering
how
far
that
can
be
elected
and
whether,
perhaps
in
future,
the
table
two
that's
on
page
30
could
actually
give
a
breakdown
of
the
number
of
bedrooms.
Not
just
the
number
of
affordable
properties,
because
I
think
again
that
will
to
highlight
some
of
the
issues
that
councilor
is
staying
as
as
mentioned.
M
If
I
just
make
a
quick
comment
here,
if
I
may,
is
that
okay,
so
so
I
think
what
I'll
do
counselor
saying
is
I'll
I'll
seek
some
further
advice
for
you
from
our
housing
colleagues,
but
but
just
in
headline
the
the
section
106
route
to
delivery
of
housing
does
require
through
Council
policy
that
there's
a
pro
rata
mix,
so
the
affordable
is
delivered
off
a
site.
If
it's
mainly
for
bed,
then
that
Pro
rata,
affordable
delivery
should
be
for
bed.
M
That
is
unless
there
was
particular
local
circumstances
and
local
housing
lists.
Housing
waiting
list
circumstances
that
weren't
a
different
solution,
because
I
do
know
that
the
housing
waiting
lists
are
scrutinized
and
used
as
evidence
in
terms
of
both
delivery
of
the
section
106
housing
contribution,
but
also
in
terms
of
our
own
stock
and
I
do
know.
P
Looking
through
these
lists,
I'm
very
very
disappointed:
I
represent
Morley
South,
which
is
a
very
large
area,
with
a
very
successful
schools
up
there
and
people
we
find
people
are
moving
in
to
Mala
to
get
the
kids
into
the
schools
and
I've
noticed
on
here.
There's
only
18
units
of
affordable
housing
gone
into
three
small
Estates
that
I
know,
but
yet
we
are
taking
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
building.
P
So
1981
was
the
last
year
that
we
got
any
Council
housing
built
in
Morley,
and
it's
just
disappointing
that
we're
not
even
mentioned
on
this
list
now
recently
in
the
past,
what
three
or
four
years
Molly
Manuel
siega
Manor
was
pulled
down,
Okay
and
we've
had
meetings
and
as
far
as
I'm
aware
and
I'm
hoping.
This
will
happen
that
we
are
to
have
some
affordable
housing
Flats,
where
it's
going
to
be
for
older
people
over
45s,
genuine
Marley
people,
and
there's
no
mention
of
that
here.
P
So
that's
two
parts
of
my
question
and
then
the
last
part
is
I've
noticed
here
on
page
36.
What
exactly
does
this
mean?
The
current
position,
February
2022,
where
you're
talking
about
the
town
deal,
you
know
what
what
does
that
have
anything
to
you
know
the
money
that's
coming
in
tomorrow
in
the
24.3
million.
P
You
know
as
far
as
I
know:
that's
nothing
to
do
with
the
housing,
but
it's
saying
about
developing
a
business
coach
for
the
towns
fund
is
that
to
do
with
the
town
deal.
Is
that
is
it
connected
with
that
or
not
it's
just
that
you
know
we
in
Mali,
we
call
the
town
deal
the
Town
Fund
as
this
money
brain
brought
in
by
the
government,
which
is
to
be
spent
in
all
sorts
of
things,
but
there's
nothing
of
housing.
N
N
That
was
just
talking
that
was
talking
about
housing,
need
assessments
and
housing,
market
assessments
or
things
that
were
used
for
I,
think
I,
think
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
involved
in
Morley,
but
I
think.
The
hope
is
that
that'll
bring
and
bring
people
to
the
area,
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
fully
in
the
loop
on
that
but
yeah,
but
we
obviously
Moore's
gotten
recites
and
affordable.
It
should
be
fitting
in
with
policy,
but
the
Morley
Town
Fund
is
obviously
seeking
money
to
regenerate
and
hopefully
bring
people
to
the
town.
M
Yeah
sorry,
counselor
I'm
I'm
not
equipped
to
answer
that
one,
because
I
am
because
this
this
went
to
the
last.
This
went
to
a
year
ago
to
this
board
and
I
think
we
had
representative
from
regeneration
with
us
to
to
talk
about
that,
because
she
was
managing
a
program
of
housing
market
assessments
which
has
now
actually
ceased
because
the
the
council
now
doesn't
fund
those
housing
market
Assessments
in
the
way
it
did
last
year
or
the
year
before,
due
to
budget
constraints.
M
But
what
what
will
happen
is
through
the
Strategic
housing
market
assessment?
That's
going
to
underpin
Leeds
local
plan
2040
is
we're
going
to
take
a
thorough
look
at
local
community
needs
and
be
able
to
provide
in
in
a
lot
more
detail
than
what
we've
provided
in
the
past?
What
the
current
needs
are,
who
they're
for
in
terms
of?
Is
it
an
older,
older
person's
housing,
specifically
specialist
housing,
affordable
housing,
so
that
communities
have
got
a
much
more
understanding
in
terms
of
what
their
future
needs
are
between
2022
and
2040.?
M
So,
hopefully,
that'll
deal
with
some
of
the
concerns
that
you've
got
around
sort
of
lack
of
reflection.
Of
morally
within
the
figures,
but
if
you
want
to
come
back
to
me
with
with
you
know,
with
questions
around
you
know:
what's
housing
in
Morley
delivered
in
terms
of
affordables
they're
not
happily
be
able
to
find
that
out
and
answer
that
for
you,
but
but
it's
not
within
the
report
at
the
moment.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
I
mean,
as
the
offices
saying
this,
that
appendix
is
the
report
that
came
to
the
board
this
time
last
year,
but
nevertheless,
the
point
that
you've
made
seems
to
be
a
current
one,
and
it
would
be
interesting
if
you
could
liaise
with
with
Martin
to
ask
those
questions
and
get
those
answers.
I
Thanks
chair,
just
a
quick
clarification
really
following
on
from
councilor
hussain's
point
about
needing
farbed
accommodations
I
sit
on
the
North
and
East
plans
panel
and
recently
you
know
it's
been
highlighted:
the
need
for
four
bedroom
properties,
definitely
in
East
Leeds,
but
on
the
flip
side
of
that,
in
terms
of
age,
friendly
properties
does
that
fall
under
specialist
housing?
Just
for
clarification.
M
Yeah
you're
always
a
really
interesting
point:
counselor,
because
I
think
when,
when
we
wrote
the
policy
on
mix
for
the
2014
plan,
I
think
it
was
in
our
minds
that
and
seeking
more
two-bed
houses,
particularly
in
the
outer
areas,
would
be
the
sort
of
product
that
older
people
would
want
to
move
into
and
that
they
would
free
up
sort
of
three
and
four
bed
family
homes
and
move
down
to
smaller
properties.
M
So
we
didn't
specifically
look
to
say
that
should
be
earmarked
for
older
people,
but
I
think
because
there's
been
sort
of
there's
been
difficulty
in
getting
the
two
beds
throughout
the
district.
A
lot
of
the
two
beds
are
being
built
within
the
city
center
I
think
there's
a
conversation
to
be
had
through
Leeds
local
plan
2040
about
well.
What
is
what?
What
does
an
older
person's
house
look
like
and
what
would
encourage
people
to
to
move
into
a
smaller
home
because
from
conversations
I've
had
with
them?
Age-Friendly
Steering
group.
M
But
actually
we
just
want
fewer
bedrooms
upstairs
and
nobody's
building
that
product
at
the
moment,
so
so
I
think
there's
there's
a
real
opportunity
for
us
to
continue
to
talk
to
the
community
and
and
get
their
views
on
that,
and
one
of
the
means
that
we're
going
to
use
for
that
is
a
housing
survey
which
will
accompany
the
market
assessment
that
we're
going
to
carry
out
so
and
then
we'll
notify
all
members
when
that
housing
survey
is
ready
to
be
released,
and
you
can
help
us
get
some
engagement
in
that.
A
No
okay,
well
I'll
bring
our
discussion
on
this
particular
gender
item
to
a
close,
again,
I
think
another
very
interesting
and
useful
discussion
that
will
feed
into
future
iterations
of
this
report
and
reports
back
and
discussions
of
the
board.
So
thank
you,
Ian.
Thank
you,
Sarah.
Thank
you,
Martin
for
your
attendance
and
your
responses.
A
I
think
you're
all
here
with
possibly
the
exception
of
Ian
for
the
next
item.
Oh
no,
we've
got
another.
A
Right
I'm
going
to
ask
the
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
then
whoever
is
introducing
the
report
to
do
it
briefly
and
assume
that
members
have
certainly
read
the
the
the
covering
reports.
This
is
an
item,
a
major
item,
a
major
starting
point
to
the
development
of
the
next
local
plan,
which
we
as
a
scrutiny
board,
are
charged
to
look
at
so
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
it
comes
on
to
our
agenda.
A
If
we
feel
we
need
more
time,
we
could
perhaps
have
a
working
group,
but
let's
see
how
the
discussion
goes,
and
our
four
members
are
are
happy
that
we've
explored
all
the
issues
that
they
wish
to.
Okay,
so
starting
with
you,
Adam.
J
Hi,
everyone
yeah
I,
think
we're
good
afternoon
now
so
good
afternoon.
Everyone,
my
name,
is
Adam
Harvard
I'm.
The
group
manager
for
policy
implants.
Q
Yes,
so
just
just
in
terms
of
the
report
then
so
this
is
a
report
on
the
Leeds
local
Plan
2014,
which
she
would
just
taken
out
to
the
very
first
stage,
scoping
stage,
consultation
and
just
just
to
sort
of
recap,
as
I
think
members
will
be
aware,
so
we're
updating
the
local
plan
for
leads
in
two
stages.
So
we've
got
the
local
Plan
update
your
neighborhood,
your
city,
your
planet,
which
is
focusing
on
policies
most
directly
relevant
to
climate
change
and
that's
been
through
a
number
of
rounds
of
consultation.
Q
And
now
it's
at
a
relatively
Advanced
stage,
where
we've
got
diesel
policies.
The
Leeds
local,
Plan
2014
is
going
to
look
at
other
topics
and
needs
up
to
2040
and
it's
at
a
very
early
stage
in
the
plan
making
process.
So
in
essence,
we've
done
some
initial
research
and
in
into
what
we
think,
the
scope
and
the
issues
that
this
plan
will
need
to
address
and
we're
now
at
consultation
on
on
that
proposed
scope.
So
with
a
headline
list
of
topics
and
some
of
the
key
issues
and
considerations
for
plan
making
and
what
that
does.
Q
Is
that
kicks
off
a
process
where
we
start
to
develop
a
lot
of
evidence
on
what
the
what
the
needs
are,
what
the
requirements
are
and
looking
into
these
issues
in
more
detail
and
start
to
think
about?
Well,
what's
what
might
be
the
options
for
the
plan
and
our
proposal
is
that
we'll
then
take
those
when
we
get
to
that
stage?
Q
We'll
take
do
a
further
round
of
formal
public
consultation
on
what
the
options
for
development
might
be
before
we
then
draft
detailed
policies
and
take
the
plan
through
the
sort
of
submission
examination
process,
so
the
consultation
is
is
underway
and
it's
going
on
between
the
10th
of
February
and
the
24th
of
March
and
the
seven
key
topics
that
we're
Consulting
on
we're
proposing
would
be
included
in
the
scope.
Q
And
finally,
we
we
sort
of
recognize
that
there's
a
wide
variety
of
other
planning
policies
and
leads
which
have
a
really
important
role
in
helping
to
shape
development
as
it
takes
place.
Looking
at
things
like
Heritage,
landscape,
Community
facilities,
rural
development,
agricultural
land,
lots
of
detail,
policies
that
are
really
important,
and
we
need
to
review
them
to
make
sure
that
they
remain
up
to
date,
reflecting
up
to
date,
National
policy
and
also
reflect
our
local
priorities
and,
as
part
of
this
I
think
and
generally
across
the
plan
as
well.
Q
So
at
this
stage
we
haven't
got
so
far
as
to
know
what
those
needs
exactly
are
going
to
be
we're
simply
asking
people
to
put
put
land.
You
know
make
suggestions
to
us
and
they'll
go
into
a
pool
of
sites
that
will
be
able
to
assess
if
there
is
a
need
for
additional
land
and
to
do
that.
We've
developed
a
new
online
tool
which
we're
hoping
is
a
more
inclusive
way
that
people
can.
They
can
go
on
the
website.
They
can
show
us
on
a
plan
where
it's
going
to
be.
Q
They
can
identify
what
sort
of
uses
they
think
they'd
like
to
see
and
I
think
you
know.
We
know
that
the
industry
developers
will
use
this,
but
we're
also
hoping
that
local
people-
you
know
you
may
know
of
us
a
Brownfield
site
in
your
area
and
you
think
well
that'll,
be
a
perfect
place
for
affordable
housing
or
something
to
take
place,
and
they
can
bring
them
to
our
attention
it
through
that
way,
and
we've
got
a
wide
variety
of
material
produced
to
support
the
consultation.
Q
There's
a
survey
which
goes
alongside
that
which
we're
sort
of
encouraging
people
to
use
to
respond
to
consultation
for
letters
and
emails.
Q
The
conversation
about
the
local
plan
2040
isn't
going
to
stop
after
six
weeks,
it's
a
starting
point,
but
we
can
continue
to
have
those
discussions
and,
and
particularly
our
sort
of
new
evidence
and
details
start
to
emerge.
We
want
to
be
sort
of
continuing
to
have
these
conversations
outside
the
more
formal
consultation
stages
and
so
I
think
that's.
That's.
All
I
was
planning
to
say
really,
but
we're
just
here
today
to
sort
of
ensure
that
you're
aware
of
the
consultation,
that's
taking
place
and
we'd
really
welcome
any
sort
of
questions
or
comments
that
you
have.
A
A
I'd
be
straight
into
William
Mills
to
put
a
bet
on
this
issue,
as
it
always
has
been
one
of
those
that
will
exercise
the
minds
of
our
residents
and
constituents
as
well
as
elected
members,
from
what
I
understand
from
the
report
is
that
it's
a
kind
of
one-way
process
of
people
identifying
sites
that
these
sites
will
not
be
publicly
identifiable
by
anyone
other
than
those
who
have
put
the
the
information
so
I.
Suppose
the
question
and
I-
and
we
did
discuss
this
very
briefly
at
chairs
brief-
is
when
they
might
be
publicly
accessible.
A
That's
put
out
ultimately
for
consultation,
or
will
it
be
possible
for
members
of
for
anybody,
members
of
the
public
to
get
sight
of
what
sites
have
been
put
forward
so
that
they
are
aware
that
they
are
potentially
being
examined
well
in
advance
of
the
process
and
are
throwing
final
sentence.
I
can
see
that
if
we
don't
do
that,
then
we'll
get
Freedom
of
Information
requests
to
elicit
that
information
from
the
authority
anyway.
J
J
Just
to
be
clear,
these
are
sites
I've
been
put
to
us,
so
we're
not
necessarily
forming
a
judgment
on
them,
so
I,
don't
think
necessarily
there's
anything
to
Hype
in
terms
of
that,
but
it's
just
about
making
sure
the
timing
of
that
is
is
right,
I
suppose
there
what
might
be
an
argument
for
certain
sites
that
we
might
think
have
got
zero
chance
of
of
coming
forward
and
potential
upset
or
anxiety
being
caused
by
communities,
seeing
them
on
a
plan
and
thinking?
Oh,
it's
on
that
plan.
J
Therefore,
it
might
be
coming
ahead
when,
in
reality,
that
may
be
very,
very
little
chance
of
such
a
sight
coming
ahead.
I
think
what
we
need
to
do.
J
There
is
just
be
clear
on
the
information
that
we
give
when
we
do
do,
publish
that
information
formally,
we'll
obviously
have
to
publish
all
of
the
sites,
whether
the
ones
that
we
think
are
you
know
scoring
well
and
the
ones
we
think
are
scoring
badly
just
to
allow
people
to
make
comments
on
them
anyway,
and
that
would
form
part
of
the
the
sort
of
second
round
of
consultation
that
Caroline
alluded
to.
J
But
yes,
we
we
do
recognize
that
it
will
be
advisable
to
to
to
publish
everything
in
an
open
and
transparent
way.
A
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
very
important
point
because
you
know
the
this
issue
is
exercise
this
Council
and
its
members
and
the
public
year
on
year
for
a
considerable
period
of
time,
and
there
will
always
be
those
people
who
think
right.
We
might
have
successfully
opposed
this
site
or
it
might
ultimately
have
been
taken
out
through
legal
action,
but
now
the
developers
are
taking
this
as
an
opportunity
to
slot
it
back
into
the
process,
so
I
think
I.
Think
from
the
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
council's
reputation.
A
F
Ask
my
question
in
a
way,
but
I'll
just
just
go
on
to
ask
about
it,
says
call
for
sites
Gypsies
and
travelers
show
Person.
When
the
council
has
suggested
site
for
the
Gypsies
and
travelers.
You
know
we
have
lots
and
lots
of
objections.
Do
you
think
anyone
will
come
and
identify
sites
because
everybody
don't
want
it
in
their
Ward?
So
how
are
you
expecting
to
get
sites
for
Gypsies
and
travelers
and
Shoppers
and.
M
Vice
councilor
Hamilton,
so
so
we
we
are
obliged
to
deal
with
housing
needs
in
all
its
form,
and
that
includes
the
needs
of
gypsies.
Travelers
and
traveling
show
people
within
the
district,
so
we
are
engaging
separately
with
leedsgate,
who
are
the
charitable
institution
that
represents
gypsies
within
the
the
district.
We're
also
working
through
a
working
group
that
Council
and
Vena
is
chairing
to
look
at
the
specifically
the
The,
Wider
societal
needs
of
gypsies
and
travelers
because,
as
a
group,
their
their
health
impacts,
their
health
outcomes.
M
Their
education
outcomes
in
particular
are
are
far
worse
than
many
other
citizens
within
within
the
authority.
So
what
we'll
do
is
is
understand
what
the
current
needs
are
for
for
for
travelers
within
Leeds,
and
we'll
also
have
conversations
with
the
traveling
Community
themselves,
but
also
with
people
who
who
do
accommodate
them,
because
there
are
some
Pharma
us
there
are.
M
There
are
some
open
landowners
who
who
allow
Gypsies
and
travelers
to
rest
within
them,
and
we
can
use
those
and
look
at
those
and
assess
those
and
see
if
they're
suitable
to
allocate
as
well.
The
council
also
has
a
responsibility
to
to
house
those
Gypsies
and
travelers
that
wish
to
be
on
a
waiting
list
and
operates
some
public
sites
like
cottingly
Springs
in
kidacre,
so
that
we'll
also
be
looking
at
our
own
land
Holdings.
A
D
Thanks
it
does
pretty
much
touch
on
what
you
said
earlier.
I
mean
I've
done
the
survey
myself.
D
J
Ties
are
obviously
open
to
to
answer
this
response
form
in
the
main
we
we
capture
the
information
in
terms
of
names
and
addresses
if
it's
provided
in
the
main
experiences
that
those
at
the
development
industry
are
quite
Keen
to
have
those
details
recorded
because
they
will
rely
upon
the
submissions
later
on
down
the
line
when
we
get
to
an
examination
stage,
but
in
many
respects
the
the
views
of
of
people
obviously
have
to
be
balanced
and
we're
keen
to
hear
a
sort
of
you
know
the
wide
variety
of
different
people's
views.
J
D
J
I
think
that's
an
interesting
point
and
I
think
it's
obviously
it's
an
important
point.
I
think
our
experiences,
the
developers,
don't
engage
with
these
surveys.
They
tend
to
write
quite
long
submissions
via
email
and
deal
with
the
issues
they
want
to
deal
with,
rather
than
use
a
questionnaire.
The
questionnaire
is,
as
you
say,
I'm
pleased
that
it's
coming
across
that
way
that
this
is
designed
for
for
the
community
to
help
with
trying
to
engage
people
who
perhaps
wouldn't
usually
engage
with
in
planning
issues,
and
we
frame
questions
in
those
way.
J
In
that
way,
I
would
expect
a
lot
of
the
development
industry
will
choose
to
perhaps
even
bypass
that
questionnaire
and
we'll
submit
comments
via
another
medium
to
be
honest,
but
we
can
obviously
review
that
to
make
sure
that
we
feel
that
that's
a
that's
a
robust
and
an
open
way
of
doing
things,
but
as
I
say
it
is,
it
is
difficult
for
us
to
be
able
to
ID
check,
as
you
can
probably
appreciate.
C
Just
thank
you
Adam
and
thanks
for
coming
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions,
really
I've
read
the
executive
board
report.
I
haven't
yet
read
the
250
pages
of
the
Leeds
plan
document
itself.
C
To
be
honest,
not
today,
anyhow
can
I
just
ask
on
at
the
bottom
of
or
at
the
start
of
page
72.
It
talks
about
the
future
changes
to
the
National
planning
policy
document.
C
Bearing
in
mind
what
was
said
at
the
previous
item
about
housing,
mixes
and
I.
Think
some
policies
changing
halfway
through
the
process
because
of
the
mpa
mppr,
2014
I,
think
it
was
something
like
that.
Should
we
wait
before
we
start
and
off
the
back
of
that.
C
Could
you
sort
of
outline
in
simple
terms
how
long
the
process
will
take
because,
obviously
I
know
I've
been
a
council
a
long
time
simply
because
I
was
involved
in
the
last
one
from
the
beginning
and
we've
come
round
and
we're
now
going
to
do
the
second
of
them
and
there'll
be
other
counselors
who
have
been
through
this
process
a
number
of
times,
but
it
did
take
quite
a
long
while
to
get
to
I
can't
remember
what
the
plan
was.
C
It
was
something
to
2018
to
20
to
2030
or
something,
and
it
took
us
about
five
or
six
years
to
sign
off
the
course
strategy.
Do
we
expect
it
to
take
that
long
again,.
J
Just
go
into
the
the
first
element,
cushion
counselor
in
terms
of
the
documentation,
the
the
topic
papers
themselves
are
only
about
30
pages
long
and
and
the
summary
document
here,
which
is
the
the
kind
of
attractive
or
hopefully,
we
think
document
again,
is
only
sort
of
30
pages
long
I
think
if
you're
limited
for
time,
which
I
completely
understand
all
numbers
would
be
I
I
would
focus
on
those
two
documents.
J
The
the
lengthy
document
you
refer
to
I
would
think
is
the
sustainability
appraisal.
Scoping
report,
which
is
you
know,
is
a
long
document.
It
includes
a
lot
of
fact
checking
essentially
but,
as
I
say,
limited
for
time,
I'd
focus
on
on
those
two
elements
of
it
in
terms
of
how
long
the
process
will
take
yes
plan
making
is
a
long
is,
is
a
long
Endeavor,
and
it's
something
that
that
needs
to
be
kind
of
committed
to
the
process.
You
reference.
We've
obviously
had
the
course
strategy.
J
J
J
It's
hard
to
put
a
finger
on
that
in
terms
of
being
very
exact
about
it,
as
Caroline
took
through
in
terms
of
the
presentation,
as
there's
a
few
rounds
of
consultation
here
and
the
degree
of
of
information
that
comes
out
of
that
will
determine
that
process.
We
would
hope
we'd
be
talking
about
sort
of
three
four
years,
probably
optimistically
three
years,
but
you
know
that's.
We
will
see
how
we
go
on
that
in
terms
of
whether
we
should
pause
or
not
I.
J
Think
there's
there's
some
really
critical
issues
about
needs
that
are
here
today
and
they
aren't
going
away
and
you
don't
it's
probably
not
very
good
practice
to
start
doing
a
plan
at
the
point
that
you
need
one
because,
as
as
you
reflect
it,
it
takes
so
long
to
prepare
one.
You
need
to
predict
when
you
might
need
one
and
have
it
ready
for
that
time.
J
So
that's
what
we're
doing
here.
We
recognize
that
some
of
our
policies
are
out
of
date.
Some
of
them
need
reviewing,
and
now
is
the
right
time
to
to
look
at
that.
We
recognize
that
there
are
authorities
across
the
country
that
are
taking
the
opportunity
to
pause.
I,
don't
know
the
circumstances
those
authorities
are
in,
but
but
obviously
in
Leeds.
We
know
that
we
have
needs
that
we
we
we
feel
it's
now
is
the
right
time
to
try
and
meet.
C
J
J
It
is
our
plan
capable
of
being
that
new
version
of
plan
or
not
I
think
we
need
further
information
from
the
government
through
the
leveling
up,
Bill
and
Associated
documentation
on
that
I
think
it
is
unfortunate
that
things
like
the
the
national
planning
policy
framework
which
you
alluded
to
in
the
original
question,
is
a
lot
easier
and
quicker
to
update
for
government
than
we
can
update
local
plans.
So
we
are
slightly
beholden
to
to
what
information
is
contained
in
there.
J
It's
why
we
always
try
and
flag
it
up
as
a
risk
in
in
those
sections
of
our
reports,
because
it
is
a
risk
that
if
government
do
change
certain
policies
or
certain
areas
of
the
planning
system,
that
may
take
us
back
a
stage,
but
what
we
are
really
Keen
to
do
and
I
was
attending
a
meeting.
J
Last
Thursday
with
the
Department
is
understand
as
much
as
possible
about
this
new
planning
system
before
it
gets
launched
so
that
we
are
ready
for
it
so
that
we
can
work
with
either
the
existing
planning
system
or
a
new
system,
because
a
lot
of
the
fundamentals
of
what
makes
for
good
planning
are
not
going
to
change.
J
A
And
I
think
it's
a
very
important
issue
and
Adam's
quite
right
to
say
it's
a
bit
of
a
how
long
he's
a
piece
of
string
question,
because
government's
changing
policy
when
and
if
it
gets
around
to
changing
policy
will
military,
possibly
against
some
of
the
the
steps
that
we've
taken
and
and
also
some
way
down
the
line.
There
may
be
legal
challenges
that
get
taken
to
a
high
level
which
may
delay
the
process
so
I,
don't
think
anyone,
not
even
our
most
experienced
and
enable
officers,
can
make
a
prediction
on
that
Scott
councilor
galvani
thanks.
E
Chair
you
talk
about
targeted
activity
and
specific
groups,
and
you
said
for
young
people.
You
specifically
mentioned
garforth
and
Leeds
College
of
building
for
a
dedicated
and
a
dedicated
survey
how's.
That
survey
going
wider
and
are
you
attending
any
of
the
area
committee,
youth
forums?
We've
got
the
outer
North
West
one
in
a
a
week
or
so.
J
I
think
we
we're
working
closely
with
colleagues
in
children's
and
young
family
families
to
to
be
able
to
try
and
promote
that
as
far
as
possible
and
that
kind
of
have
a
voice
networks
and
things
like
that.
But
if
there's
a
particular
sessions
that
you'd
like
us
to
attend
would
be
really
really
interested
to
hear
further
details
and
we
we
would
be
happy
to
to
attend
to
sort
of
facilitate
some
of
those
meetings.
J
If
that's,
if
that's
helpful,
because
we
we're
really
Keen
to
hear
the
views
of
young
people
which
is
difficult
to
do,
there's
a
lot
of
noise
out
there
and
a
lot
of
demands
on
their
time
a
lot
of
distractions.
What
we've
developed
is
a
Young
Person's
survey
as
well,
which
is
deliberately
tailored
to
sort
of
try
and
appeal
to
young
people,
which
is
shorter
than
the
normal
one,
which
we
are
trying
to
get
get
out
there
and
any
sort
of
help
to
get
that
further
and
wider
will
be
much
appreciated.
So
Pat.
J
A
Okay,
I've
got
no
other
indication,
so
I
have
a
few
questions
and
I'll
put
them
in
two
tranches.
First,
two,
the
first
one
relates
to
page
17
and
Page
72,
and
it's
really
to
try
and
get
a
feel
for
the
impact
of
the
urban
uplift.
That
page
20
talks
about
I.
Think
paragraph
two,
because
it
looks
as
though
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
increase
our
housing
targets,
Beyond
those
that
currently
exist,
but
then
on
page
72,
paragraph
17.
A
We
told
that
if
that
necessitates
expanding
into
the
green
belt,
then
that's
not
necessarily
something
that
the
government
would
require,
and
it
strikes
me
as
being
a
bit
of
a
political
Pontius
pilot
stands
this
here's
what
we
expect
you
to
achieve,
but
if
it
involves
encroaching
on
the
Green
Belt,
then
it's
down
to
you,
don't
blame
usgov
am
I
being
unfair.
I
know
I've
been
party
political
to
a
degree
but
I'm
being
unfair.
In
terms
of
that
perception-
and
my
second
question
is
very
brief-
one
about
minerals
and
waste
strategy.
A
M
If
I
come
back
on
the
35
Urban
uplift,
just
just
because
I've
I've
coordinated
a
response
to
the
government's
recent
National
planning
policy
framework
consultation,
which
is
during
tomorrow,
I
think
and
and
that
response
which,
which
has
been
through
development
plan
panel
members,
basically
does
point
out
that
that
is,
that
can
be
read
as
a
contradiction
in
that
the
government
set
an
aspiration
to
deliver
300
new
new
homes
a
year.
M
M
If
the
government
expects
cities
like
Leeds
to
deliver
over
and
above
their
housing
needs,
then
in
a
sense
that
requires
a
national
strategy
to
support
them
to
do
that,
both
in
terms
of
increased
funding
and
increased
infrastructure,
because
that
35
increase
will
require
more
infrastructure
to
support
it
on
already
overburdened
Urban
infrastructure.
M
And
the
fourth
point
we
make
is
that
it's
not
necessarily
conducive
with
a
climate
emergency
where
we
know
there
are
the
importance
of
climate
adaptation
is
going
to
be
around
sort
of
retaining
green
spaces
around
our
urban
areas
and
actually
looking
at
how
we
can
get
more
tree
planting
and
better
quality
Urban
environments,
not
not
simply
using
lots
of
land
to
to
develop
on
so
so
those
potential
contradictions
have
been
pointed
Apple.
J
Up
on
the
issue
of
the
minerals
and
a
waste
show
yeah
absolutely
I
mean
it's
it's
one
of
those
issues.
I
think
is
kind
of
a
great
example
of
planning
having
to
fulfill
that
role
of
kind
of
managing
competing
demands
on
on
land
yeah,
there's
some
crucial
minerals,
some
resources
that
do
need
to
be
used
for
for
a
range
of
different
Industries
and
economic
growth
around
the
city,
but
also
they
have
they
can
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
immunity
of
people
who
live
nearby
and
I.
J
Think
that's
exactly
the
kind
of
issues
that
this
plan
needs
to
Grapple
with
and
whether
we
can
have
policies
that
can
be
more
robust
about
the
setting
of
things
like
buffer
zones
around
around
quarries
and
for
them
to
either
be
larger
or
to
be
more
intensely
kind
of
bonded
or
or
noise
and
sound
the
same
thing:
noise,
kind
of
pollution
and
things
like
that.
Whether
there
is
more,
we
can
be
a
lot
more.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
Martin,
just
going
back
very
briefly
to
you.
Could
you
share
with
myself
well
with
the
whole
God,
so
I
think
if
you
send
a
copy
to
Becky
of
that
response,
I
think
that
would
be
useful
bit
of
information
I'm
going
to
hold
back
on
my
next
two
questions,
because
I
think
you
wanted
to
come
in
counselor
Alderson
to
John
Lee.
B
B
I
just
wondered
if
consideration
was
being
given
towards
Quarry
operations
that
may
be
going
through
rump
applications,
and
they
are
actually
quite
lengthy
processes
and
I
would
hope
that,
as
that
process
of
of
the
The
Romp
happens
that
this
potential
policy
change
that
the
two
operate
hand
in
hand,
so
we
don't
have
them
battling
with
each
other,
potentially
a
romp
being
finalized
and
then
kind
of
contradicting
what
the
the
new
strategy
would
suggest.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
been
consideration
for
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair.
J
Thank
you,
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
the
important
point
I
suppose
to
make
and
I
and
I
will
not
profess
to
be
an
expert
on
on
minerals.
Here
is
we
work
really
closely
with
with
our
minerals
colleagues
and
on
those
kind
of
review
of
old
mineral
plant,
consents
kind
of
applications?
I
think
that's
a
really
important
aspect.
J
I
think
we
need
to
probably
investigate
further
what
what
powers
we
have
to
be
involved
in
those
and
whether
the
the
regulations
associated
with
that
allow
for
minimal
kind
of
new
policy
setting,
because
there's
always
issues,
isn't
there
I
suppose
with
existing
consents
and
what
what
weight
they're
already
given,
but
we'll
work.
It's
a
point
that
hasn't
been
raised
to
us
before.
J
B
Thank
you
there's
certainly
case
studies
in
my
what
but
I
think
that's
not
for
this
discussion,
but
yeah
I
would
welcome
that
conversation.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
Yeah
thanks
for
our
my
final
two,
hopefully
shorter
questions.
Obviously
all
development
has
implications,
especially
sizable
developments
as
implications
for
infrastructure,
but
the
infrastructure
that
I'm
particularly
interested
in
is
the
nhs's
ability
to
respond
to
developments,
especially
obviously,
housing
developments
and
I
just
wondered
how
far
our
NHS
colleagues
are
involved
in
the
process.
From
this
point
in
terms
of
being
able
to
have
their
input,
I
always
fear
that,
because
they
are
very
what
should
I
say,
attuned
to
their
political
Masters
that
they
will
always
say.
A
Oh
you
know
we
will
be
able
to
provide
services,
but
I
think
we
all
know
from
our
experience
as
local
members,
the
pressures
on
especially
Primary
Care,
Services,
GP
surgeries
and
other
services,
like
that,
let
alone
the
waiting
times
for
for
treatments
in
our
NHS
hospitals.
A
So
it's
really
a
question
about
how
far
they
are
integrated
into
process
right
from
the
start,
and
my
final
question
relates
to
comment
on
page
76,
about
fracking
and
really
just
bringing
myself
and
the
board
up
to
date
as
to
where
we
are
because
at
one
stage
it
appeared
that
local
authorities
wear
their
own
masters
and
Mistresses.
In
being
able
to
say,
no,
we
don't
want
any
fracking
in
our
area.
This
particular
comment
seems
to
imply
that
the
changing
government
policy
means
that
it
goes
into.
A
M
Yeah
I'll
just
come
back
on
the
the
involvement
of
the
ccgs
and
the
the
health
sector,
Council
trust.
Well,
we've
we've.
We've
worked
really
hard,
I
think
over
the
past
sort
of
five
years
to
get
sort
of
even
better
collaboration
with
with
our
Health
Partners
that
that's
born
fruit,
not
only
in
terms
of
the
local
plan
up
they,
the
first
local
Plan
update
in
terms
of
policies
around
how
housing
is
built
with
with
it,
with
a
view
to
promoting
health
and
well-being.
M
So
we're
looking
at
that
from
a
very
proactive
approach,
but
also
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
burdens,
if
you
like
in
terms
of
infrastructure,
Burns
of
new
homes,
so
they
will
be
a
key
partner
working
through
this
they'll
be
involved
in
looking
at
what
the
Strategic
housing
market
assessment
is
telling
us
about
specific
needs
and
where
they
arise
and
we're
looking
at.
Certainly
a
lot
more
specialist
needs
through
that
piece
of
evidence
as
well.
So
so
what
we?
M
What
we
will
do
is
is
provide
a
lot
more
clarity,
I
think
from
the
very
start
around
how
infrastructure,
in
all
its
forms,
is
expected
to
be
delivered
alongside
new
housing,
growth.
J
In
terms
of
the
the
fracking
elements,
as
you
can
imagine,
pulling
together
the
information
that
we
we
did
takes,
you
know
a
few
months
before
we
get
to
consultation,
and
there
were
suggestions,
I
think
at
a
national
level
that
there
was
going
to
be
movement
or
change
lifting
of
the
moratorium,
essentially
as
a
moratorium
currently
on
fracking,
which
remains
there
was
discussion
at
a
national
level,
I
understand
in
terms
of
whether
that
moratorium
should
be
lifted.
J
J
Do
the
people
of
Leeds
feel
it
would
be
beneficial
for
for
us
to
State
clearly
what
our
our
our
planning
views
are
on
fracking,
in
as
it
relates
to
the
planning
system
as
I
understand
it.
The
Administration
has
made
very
clear
that
their
lack
of
support
for
fracking,
but
that's
not
expressed
in
planning
policy,
so
we
just
wanted
to
to
kind
of
open
up
that
that
debate
to
without
trying
to
alarm
anybody.
J
But
it's
it's
it's
more
about
whether
there
is
a
degree
of
local
control
here,
rather
than
waiting
for
changes
in
National
policy.
Is
it
better
more
robust
for
us
to
have
our
own
policy,
which
will
help
us
determine
applications
if
they
they
arise?.
A
F
And
just
wanted
to
say
I'm
glad
to
hear
you
say
that
that
ccg
NHS
will
be
involved
going
forward
because
on
planning
as
a
consultee,
they
never
reply.
They've
never
said
anything
with
new
developments
coming
on
and
we
we're
always
going
on
on
plan
about
you
know
we're
gonna
have
young
families
and
we're
going
to
need
a
doctor's
surgery,
maybe
dentists
Etc.
So
they
never
reply
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
there
will
be
in
future
because
we
have
concerns.
F
You
know
when
we're
giving
when
we're
on
planning
and
we're
approving
you
know,
and
especially
on
Thursday.
The
last
one
was
down
by
the
Yorkshire
Evening
Post.
It's
going
to
be
a
big
development
and
no
no
reply
from
the
NHS.
A
Yeah
thanks
yeah
thanks
Sharon
we
will
take.
That
was
a
comment
but
I'm
sure
it's
one
that
we'd
all
say
Amen
to,
because
I
think
we're
all
aware
of
the
the
pressures
and
the
difficulties
in
many
areas
of
getting,
for
example,
appointments
with
GPS
and
and
and
and
and
other
treatment
right,
I've
not
had
any
other
indications
on
this
item.
So
I'll
bring
the
discussion
to
a
close
bankly
officers
for
their
attendance
and
their
their
detailed
and
informative
responses.
A
Please
feel
free
to
leave,
takes
us
on
to
the
final
item
on
the
agenda
agenda
item
10,
which
is
the
the
work
program
which,
from
the
point
of
view
of
this
board,
only
takes
us
to
one
more
meeting
but
potentially,
as
Becky
said
before
the
meeting,
there
may
be
an
outline,
a
work
program
that
members
will
want
to
at
least
suggest
to
Our
Success
abroad.
So
thanks
very
much
everyone
for
your
attendance
I.
Think
again,
as
usual,
we've
had
a
very
good
discussion.