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Description
We are joined by Joshua Lapidus, Membership & Community Steward, and John Paller, co-founder of Opolis, a Member-Owned Digital Employment Cooperative, to talk about what they are and how MakerDAO Teams and Contributors can benefit. The Opolis Employment Commons provides payroll (including crypto), benefits (including healthcare), and shared services for the Independent Worker. Often described as the "bridge" between web2 and web3 for workers, Opolis offers a compliant method for those working in the ethereal world the ability to own controls of their employment and related decisions. They call this "Self-Sovereign" employment. Come and see if joining the Employment Commons and earning $WORK is for you. Visit opolis.co if you have questions.
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A
Hey
everybody.
Welcome
to
the
maker
dial
community
call
happy
february
23rd.
My
name
is
david
utrobin.
I
am
a
community
development
lead
at
the
maker
foundation
and
long-time
maker,
dow
community
member,
and
I
get
the
pleasure
of
hosting
these
calls,
and
today,
judging
by
the
people
in
the
room,
is
going
to
be
quite
an
exciting
one.
So
yeah
just
to
give
a
brief
overview
about
the
call.
A
I'm
actually
going
to
invite
you
on
screen
right
now
and
john.
If
you're
in
here,
a
comment
would
definitely
help
me
find
your
name
in
the
list,
if
not
that's
right,
yeah.
So,
while
I
invite
joshua
on
the
screen,
opolis
is
is
actually
a
name.
That's
been
around
the
ethereum
community
for
quite
a
while
actually
received
this
apos
shirt
at
the
first
east
denver.
A
A
There's
also
like
an
ask
a
question:
a
little
widget
on
the
bottom
that
you
can
choose,
but
honestly,
if
you
type
it
in
the
chat,
I'm
happy
to
read
it
out
loud
on
your
behalf
and
and
yeah
yeah
joshua
nice,
nice
shirt
ripped
in
that
colorado,
love
it
yeah.
So
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
and
introduce
a
little
bit
about
apples.
A
A
A
A
There's
one
particular
set
of
proposals
around
core
units,
and
this
is
essentially
establishing
like
an
infrastructure
for
independent
teams
at
maker,
dao,
and
so
independent
teams
need
independent.
You
know
employment
and
hr
and
like
payroll
services
and
insurance,
and
so
opolis
serves
to
to
help
with
a
bit
of
that
so
yeah.
Let
me
take
a
pause
here.
So
joshua
is
is
john
still
having
trouble.
A
Oh
there
he
is
okay,
cool
john
I'm
inviting
you
on
screen,
so
you
should
be
receiving
that
invitation.
Just
a
sec,
all
right
cool
I
see
you're
accepted
and
connecting
so
yeah,
more
independent
teams.
Opolis
becomes
useful.
In
that
event,
can
you
guys
see
me?
Okay,
yeah?
We
could
see
you
hey.
What's
up.
A
C
C
We
call
it
an
innovation
festival
and
community
gathering,
it's
sort
of
part
hackathon
or
we
as
we
refer
to
it
as
a
biddle-a-thon
ethember's,
the
birthplace
of
the
bitter
meme.
So
we
we
biddle,
we
create
art,
we
build
community,
we
do
all
sorts
of
different
things.
We
just
ran
that
event
two
weeks
ago
and
we
had
31
000
unique
viewers
from
94
countries,
and
we
gave
away
a
quarter
million
dollars
in
total,
bounties
and
prize
money
and
yeah.
It
was
pretty
pretty
insane.
C
We
had
3
000
over
3
000,
officially
registered
people,
so
it
was.
It
was
cool
anyway,
so
that's
that's
sort
of
sidebar
stuff.
So
opolis
is
my
day
job.
You
could
say-
and
I
have
a
20-year
background
in
hr
tech
and
employment,
ecosystems
and
I've
been
a
founder,
multiple
different
times-
I've
personally
masochistically
w-2,
like
35
000
people
in
41,
u.s
states.
C
I
built
a
big
big
staffing
company
in
a
previous
life
before
I
decided
to
like,
take
the
red
pill
and
go
down
the
rabbit
hill,
and
so
I
sold
all
that
and
I
ran
away
as
fast
as
I
could
once
I
understood
the
the
future
of
decentralized
internet
and
decentralized
ecosystems
and
taos
and
governance,
and
like
all
this
cool
stuff
that
was
emerging
at
the
time,
and
so
I've
been
knee-deep
in
a
mile
wide
in
it.
Since
and
that's
my
background,
so
josh
you
want
to
go.
B
Yeah,
hey
I'm
josh,
I'm
the
membership
and
community
steward
at
opolis.
I
also
help
out
as
the
chess
steward
at
eat
denver.
I
came
to
the
space
by
way
of
lyft.
I
did
enterprise
sales
and
competitive
intelligence
there
for
about
three
years
my
driver
growth
user
acquisition
and
wanted
to
build
a
decentralized
ride
share.
B
I
took
a
consensus
academy
course
and
ended
up
going
to
work
at
consensus,
and
then
I
found
opolis
how
we
find
a
bunch
of
our
members,
which
is,
I
got
downsized
from
consensus
and
was
going
to
need
to
go
on
to
cobra
and
cobra
looked
ridiculous
and
it
was
literally
a
week
and
a
half
before
eat
denver.
I
was
like
I'm
gonna
go
to
denver,
I'm
gonna
find
another
job
for
context.
B
C
C
B
C
C
A
C
C
C
B
A
B
C
A
A
C
B
C
A
C
Okay,
there
we
go
cool
all
right,
so
we
refer
to
opolis
as
the
employment
commons.
There's
there's
a
reason
for
this
there's.
Actually,
a
legal
design
reason
why
we
call
it
the
employment
commons,
because
the
cooperative
that
we
use,
which
is
the
legal
framework,
is
actually
an
lca,
so
opolis
and
the
employment
commons
are
the
combined
sort
of
like
voltron
total
ecosystem
and
what
we
really
provide
is
payroll
benefits
and
shared
services
for
independent
workers.
So
under
the
umbrella
of
independent
workers,
is
solarpreneurs.
C
You
know
digital
nomads,
ethereans
gig
workers,
whatever
you
know,
I
mean
it-
could
be
anybody
who's
kind
of
living,
the
yolo
life,
and
it
could
be
anybody.
Who's
been
a
real
estate
agent
for
15
years.
It
doesn't
matter
we're
completely
agnostic
as
long
as
there's
a
few
boxes
that
are
checked
and
it's
a
digitally.
It's
a
digital
in
employment
cooperative,
so
it's
member
owned.
C
So
we
use
a
combination
of
legal
frameworks
that
are
call
it
decentralized
and
technologies
that
are
decentralized
to
make
the
whole
thing
work.
So
then,
just
kind
of
getting
into
like
why
this
is
important.
So
I
think
everybody
kind
of
knows
this,
but
just
as
a
quick
refresher,
the
entire
curve
of
employment
is
moving
back
independent.
So
by
2028
it's
estimated
that
90
million
people
are
going
to
be
working
independently.
C
C
It
used
to
be
that
90
or
so
of
people
in
1908
were
independent
workers.
Well,
the
industrial
revolution
factories.
All
you
know
the
standardized
workweek
all
this
stuff
moved
people
into
corporations
and
now
we're
moving
out
of
corporations.
So
there
aren't
any
frameworks,
though,
to
support
that,
though
that's
the
problem,
all
the
hr
tech
that
exists
is
all
about
corporations.
C
C
It's
designed
specifically
for
the
individual
to
offer
portable
employment
and
benefits
shared
services,
while
maintaining
100
compliance.
Now
we're
often
called
the
bridge
between
web
2
and
web
3.
so
for
those
that
are
already
participating
in
this
ethereal
world
of
you
know,
earning
die
or
crypto
or
being
a
part
of
dowse
and
having
multiple
income
streams
or
whatever.
A
C
We
have
we
have
independent
clergy
that
know
nothing
that
know
nothing.
That
just
happened
to
run
into
this
and
like
they're
like
oh,
this
is
amazing.
I
can
save
60
off
my
my
obamacare
health
insurance
and
I
can
wait.
I
can
get
paid
in
a
little
bit
of
bitcoin
too,
and
it's
sort
of
a
really
way
to
get
people's
entry
going
about
web3,
so
yeah.
It
works
both
ways.
C
C
Now
I
earned
this
nerdy
title
by
like
getting
the
living
crap
kicked
out
of
me
in
employment
systems
for
almost
20
years
right,
so
I've
lived
it.
I've
been
there
done
that
got
a
t-shirt,
wrote
a
song
about
it
and
what
matters
the
most
for
the
future
of
work
is
self-sovereign
ownership
of
employment.
C
So
what
opolis
allows
is
for
that
base
layer
of
your
commercial
experience
to
be
owned
by
you
and
you
get
to
choose
all
the
the
things
that
you
want
to
kind
of
surround
yourself
with
from
health
care
decisions
to
retirement
plan
decisions
to
what
kind
of
currencies
you
want
to
take
and
from
where,
with
whom
and
how
much
you
want
to
work.
So
the
entire
decision
matrix
of
employment
is
now
up
to
you
now
to
illustrate
this.
It's
really
good
to
just
kind
of
put
it
into
context.
C
C
She
mirrors
her
benefits
that
she's
used
to
having
that
makes
her
family
feel
comfortable
and
safe.
She
provides
all
of
this
for
herself,
so
it's
portable
to
her.
So
when
she
moves
revenue
streams
or
she
moves
around
the
ecosystem
and
and
sort
of
you
know,
changes
what
she's
doing
for
variety.
None
of
it
actually
changes
and
her
shared
services
are
set
it
and
forget
it.
So
all
the
compliance
getting
paid
in
crypto
the
unemployment
filings,
what
withholdings
tax
payments,
all
the
normal
headache,
crap
that
you
got
to
do
you
don't
have
to
do
anymore.
C
A
C
These
are
units
of
account
in
terms
of
patronage
that
give
you
rights
to
the
profits.
So
let
me
give
you
an
example:
if
you're
a
member
of
rei
and
you
go
buy
a
pair
of
skis
at
the
end
of
the
year,
they're
going
to
send
you
a
dividend
which
is
a
representation
of
your
share
of
the
profits
based
on
everyone's
consumption
for
the
year.
C
So
in
terms
of
opolis,
it's
consumption
referrals
and
staking
that
are
rewarded
through
growth
thresholds.
So
we
do
this
thing
it's
kind
of
like
liquidity
mining,
but
we
call
it
payroll
mining,
so
payroll
mining
happens
at
certain
thresholds
as
we
grow.
The
total
volume
of
payroll
in
the
ecosystem,
and
once
that
happens,
a
chunk
of
tokens
is
unlocked
and
then
distributed
based
on
an
algorithm
that
determines
your
consumption,
your
referrals
consumption
and
your
staking
contributions.
C
A
C
C
As
as
it
grows
in
value,
yes,
absolutely
correct,
and
it's
it's
and
it's
it's
on
a
rolling
basis,
so
you
don't
cash
in
your
your
your
tokens.
You
continue
to
own
the
the
tokens
and
you'll
just
be
rewarded
with
the
profits
and
dividends
as
they
come
available
got
it,
and
so,
as
the
ecosystem
accrues
value,
this
is,
and
yes,
claudia.
That
slide
is
coming
up
thanks
for
thanks
for
that
josh,
but
yeah.
It's
it's
a
really.
C
So
if
you
don't
know
those
things
like,
these
are
really
big
things
when
it
comes
to
kind
of
advancing
to
this
next
world
of
value,
distribution
and
ownership
and
and
sort
of
the
future
of
web
three.
These
are
really
big
deals,
in
fact,
we're
about
to
announce
a
pilot
program
with
the
state
of
colorado
feropolis,
where
people
working
inside
the
state
infrastructure,
seasonal
workers
are
going
to
have
access
to
this
entire
ecosystem
and
also
earn
rewards
into
the
system.
So
in
any
case,.
A
C
The
plans
are
to
go
international
but
yeah
just
just
to
not
disappoint
anybody.
It's
it's!
It's!
It's
walk
before
you
run
in
terms
of
compliance,
but
the
goal
is
to
be
an
international
public
utility
infrastructure
for
employment.
So
this
is
just
state
stateside
right
now
and
did
you
have
a
secondary
question.
C
C
We
do
suggest
that
you
contact
us
regardless
and
we'll,
let
you
know
the
status
of
your
particular
state
and
we
are
working
on
some
potential
workarounds
for
like
where
you
incorporate
and
other
things
like
that,
just
to
get
exemptions,
but
california,
colorado,
wyoming,
oregon,
washington,
tennessee,
north
carolina
pennsylvania,
new
york,
like
these
are
all
open
for
business
so,
like
I
think,
florida's
just
open
now
too,
with
all
the
miami
stuff
that
we
got
going
on
so
so
anyway,
it's
it's!
It's
going
to
be
national,
so
don't
feel
bad
if
we're
not
there.
C
A
C
C
If
you
do
commit
to
join
before
march
first,
which
is
like
a
week,
you
you
do
actually
and
you
do
formally
join
before
april.
1St
you'll
actually
get
12
months
of
waived
community
fees.
So
this
is
a
huge.
I
mean
it's
about
600
to
a
thousand
dollar
value
in
terms
of
us
dollars,
but
it
is
it's
a
completely
free
to
use
platform
now,
after
that,
it's
one
percent
of
your
total
consumption.
C
I
pay
one
percent
on
that
on
a
periodic
basis,
so
it's
only
consumptive
based
just
like
exchange
fees,
so
you
only
pay
it
when
you
do
it.
So
there's
no
subscriptions
it's
20
to
join,
which
is
our
legal
requirement
hoop
that
we
have
to
jump
through
for
the
cooperative,
but
other
than
that.
There's
no
other
fees.
We
don't
believe
in
it.
It's
a
member-owned
community-owned
deal
so
like
there's,
no
third
party
sitting
over
here.
Trying
to
you
know,
extract
a
bunch
of
fees
on
behalf
of
somebody
else.
We
just
don't
care
and
then
the
coalition.
C
This
is
how
we
scale
it.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
up
for
proposal
to
the
maker
community
is
to
actually
formally
join
the
coalition,
but
basically
what
coalition
members
become
as
referral
partners
and
they
also
become
rewarded
with
value
in
the
ecosystem.
So
they
also
earn
work
tokens,
and
so
you
don't
have
to
be
an
employee
member
to
be
a
part
of
the
coalition
or
to
be
a
member
of
the
co-op.
C
In
other
words,
our
stakeholders
are
becoming
value
owners
in
the
ecosystem.
Just
like
you
would
see
in
a
dial
framework.
So
it's
it's
an
employment
dow
with
legal.
You
know
legal
standing,
so
many
of
our
coalition
members.
You
know
we
have
normie
groups,
so
we
actually
have
groups
like
zero
accounting
software,
we're
doing
a
big
press
release
next
week
on
this
partnership.
They
love
the
concept
of
a
a
member-owned
employment
cooperative.
C
C
I
mean
we're
fairly
popular
in
that
space
because
of
all
the
ethereal
workers
that
exist
there,
but
in
any
case
this
is
in
our
minds,
non-competitive
because
I
mean
there
are
some
overlaps
of
communities,
but
it's
about
really
scaling
members,
and
so
our
our
scaling
strategy
isn't
really
about
sales
and
traditional
kind
of
like
means
of
doing
that.
Our
member
growth
strategy
is
really
about
activating
the
network
effect
in
a
natural
organic
way
and
using
our
community
partners
and
people
who
really
believe
in
the
future
of
the
self-sovereign
worker
to
do
that.
C
A
C
C
If
health
care
is
important
to
you
and
if
you
want
any
of
the
ancillary
employment
benefits
even
like
unemployment,
insurance
or
long-term
short-term
disability
or
any
of
the
traditional
window
dressing
of
employment,
you
have
to
have
what's
called
bona
fide
employment
for
yourself
now
to
do
that,
you
have
to
be
employed
by
an
entity
which
means
that
you're
going
to
set
up
an
entity
and
you're
going
to
elect
s
corp
status
at
the
federal
level.
If
you
do
an
llc
or
you're
just
going
to
incorporate
it
as
an
escort.
C
C
You
don't
have
to
no
one's
gonna
come
looking
at
it,
but
again
it's
best
practice
to
make
sure
that
you
keep
things
separated.
So
you
don't
have
questions
later
about
like
what
you
paid
on
taxes
on
or
what
you
didn't.
I
don't
know
that
trying
to
hide
that
from
the
alphabet
soup
agencies
at
some
point
is
a
good
strategy,
so,
like
we
just
suggest
the
best
practice.
Long
term
is
to
just
kind
of
set
things
up
normally.
C
So
then,
from
there
once
you're
familiar
with
the
once,
you
have
your
ein
number
from
the
irs,
which
we
can
also
help
you
with
to
do
by
the
way.
If
you
don't,
we
have
a
partnership
with
incorporate.com
who
actually
we
should
have
put
on
our
coalition
list,
but
for
whatever
reason
we
forgot
to
do
it,
they
will
help
you
for
fifty
percent
off
retail
rate
set
up
a
corporation,
get
your
ein
number.
C
Or
you
can
get
with
our
membership
stores,
josh
of
which
is
one,
and
you
know
we
can
walk.
We
can
even
do
a
screen
share
and
help
walk
you
through
it.
You
will
be
using
web3
authentication
to
get
into
the
system.
You
won't
even
know
I'll
get
to
that
question
in
just
a
second
claudia.
You
won't
even
know
that
you're
actually
on
boarding
in
web3.
C
Okay.
So
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
your
question,
claudia
because
I
have
a
couple
slides
to
show
you
kind
of
why
this
is
structured.
The
way
that
we
do
it
legally
speaking.
Yes,
you
could
employ
people
through
your
llc
and
employ
yourself,
but
I'm
going
to
show
you
why
it's
not
best
practice
and
why
it's
not
self-sovereign
employment,
because
the
minute
you
start
doing
that
you're,
you're,
sort
of
co-mingling
employment
and
the
operations
of
the
business.
So
I'm
gonna
come
back
to
that
in
just
a
second.
So
next
steps
form
your
llc.
C
So
that's
the
first
and
foremost
thing
you
got
to
do.
We
can't
do
anything
until
we
have
that
ein
number
to
co-employ
you
through
the
commons,
you
can
schedule
a
call
to
talk
101
with
our
membership
stewardships,
and
then
you
got
to
get
three
or
30
minutes
or
so
that
to
do
the
onboarding
wizard.
Once
you
have
all
your
paperwork
and
then
you
can
email,
joshua
who's
here,
josh
joshuapolis.co,
with
any
questions.
C
Okay,
now
to
the
organizational
strategy
question,
so
one
of
the
things
that
was
telegraphed
to
me
in
our
original
conversations
with
maker
about
about
doing
this.
This
is
you
know
a
year
and
a
half
ago
is
okay.
We've
got
people
that
want
to
do
different
things.
We've
got
solo,
people
that
contribute
to
the
ecosystem,
and
then
we've
got
teams
right
like
so.
How
do
we
deal
with
both
of
these
kinds
of
things?
So
this
is
number
one.
This
is
the
solo
person,
so
this
is
josh's
situation.
C
C
Let's
say
it's
a
2500
bucks
or
whatever
it
is
to
pay
for
health
care
taxes,
insurance,
everything
for
the
employee,
the
actual
paycheck
and
then
all
the
withholdings
are
done,
and
then
the
remainder
is
is
sent
to
josh
in
the
form
of
a
paycheck
and
he
has
the
ability
to
elect
cryptocurrencies
in
addition
to
usd
and
and
then
that
paycheck
goes
to
him
in
a
compliant
way,
it
gets
w2
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
that's
how
it
works.
Okay,
so
legally!
This
is
how
it's
done
now.
C
The
question
comes
up
like
well
what
if
we
have
a
team?
Well,
here's
the
best
practice.
Okay!
Now
it's
like!
Oh,
I
probably
need
a
captain
crunch
decoder
to
figure
this
one
out.
All
it
really
is
is
a
multiplication
times
three
I
didn't
put
in
the
directional
arrows
and
things
it
didn't
have
room,
and
I
didn't
want
to
muddle
it
up
too
much,
but
basically,
I've
got
three
yeah
mean
team
llc,
whatever
your
t
mean
team,
your
food
of
the
day,
your
whatever
you
got
going
on
and
their
team
name
there.
C
But
let's
say
that's
the
team
that
you
and
two
other
people
have
that
are
working
on
behalf
of
maker
in
some
project.
Right
best
practice
would
be
that
you
set
up
an
llc
for
that
going
concern
or
you
have
it
as
a
dow
or
whatever
you
want
to
do.
But
then
the
best
best
practice
would
be
that
each
of
you
individually
have
your
own
llc
and
those
llcs
are
the
members
in
the
operating
entity
llc
that
you
have
for
the
business.
C
What
you're
doing
is
you're
compartmentalizing
the
business
operations
from
the
employment
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
you
want
to
do
this
in
long
term?
This
is
going
to
be
the
fashionable
thing
to
do.
Your
employment
will
be
separate
and
unbundled
from
your
operating
business,
so,
in
other
words,
your
revenue
streams
will
be
separate
from
your
employment.
C
Your
employment
will
just
be
the
mechanism
by
which
you
have
your
health
care
and
your
retirement
plans
and
your
insurances
and
your
your
your
legal
standing
and
your
paychecks
and
your
w-2s
and
all
those
things,
but
you
won't
commingle
that
with
your
revenue
streams,
so
you
could
have
ten
meme
team
llc's
here
funneling
into
one
spork
llc,
which
is
your
you
know
your
one
business
entity
now.
This
is
not
designed
to
be
legal
advice.
This
is
just
illustrative
of
what
other
people
are
doing
in
the
commons
as
best
practice.
C
We
highly
suggest
that
you
do
talk
to
a
legal
professional.
You
speak
with
us
about
other
commonly
done
things.
If
you
need
somebody
to
speak
with
about
these
particular
frameworks,
we
can
suggest
attorneys
to
talk
to
you
about
them,
but
this
is
what
the
best
practice
would
be.
So
what
it
allows
you
to
do
is
let's
say
john
josh,
justin
and
hannah
all
want
to
work
together.
C
They
still
do
in
mean
team
llc,
there's
nothing
different.
They
all
own
one
third
of
that
entity
and
it
doesn't
change
anything.
They
all
get
health
care
benefits
through
the
employment
commons.
And
then,
if
something
happened
to
that
particular
project,
I
mean
keep
in
mind
that
ninety
percent
of
startups
go
away.
C
C
Hopefully
that
answers
your
question
claudia
now,
if
you
have
here's
what
we
have
happening
right
now,
so
we
have
some
groups.
In
fact,
we
just
spoke
to
another
team.
Yesterday,
that's
going
to
decentralize
all
their
employment,
they
have
we've
already
done
this
for
a
couple
of
foundations.
We've
we've
already
done
this
for
a
couple
of
other
companies
that
had
you
know
an
llc
that
they
were
employing
everybody
through
right
and
they
were
using
gusto,
and
you
know
they
had
a
healthcare
plan
that
was
really
crappy
and
and
they're
like
this
is
terrible.
C
Well,
they
found
opposition
like.
Why
are
we
doing
any
of
this
like
we
just
thought
we
had
to
do
it
so
that
we're
just
doing
this
and
it's
like
well,
these
things
need
to
be
done,
but
if
the
question
is,
who
does
them?
Is
it
your
corporation?
That's
going
to
do
them,
or
can
you
do
them
individually?
C
And
what
this
allows
to
happen
is
that
every
one
of
the
people
that
comes
into
your
team,
you
know
you
can
have
eight
people
and
they're
all
independently
employed
and
they're
they're,
just
leasing
their
time
back
to
the
llc.
That's
getting
a
big,
you
know
so,
let's
say
the
maker
down
saying
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
month
or
a
hundred
thousand
die
to
the
meme
team
llc.
C
C
A
C
Their
llc
would
be
that
would
be
the
member
org
of
so
you
don't
need
to
be
a
person
on
an
llc.
You
can
have
an
llc
be
a
member
of
an
llc,
so
what
you're
doing
is
you're
sort
of
shielding
yourself
legally
from
the
operating
side,
but
what
you're
doing
is
you're
the
only
member,
kanjasha
and
meme
team
llc
josh
is
a
member
of
meme
team
llc
through
his
buffalo
llc
one.
So
like.
B
C
Because
he's
the
only
owner
of
buffalo
llc,
he
is
de
facto
the
member
and
llcs
are
all
passed
through
entities.
So
the
reason
the
reason
why
we
suggest
that
you
do
can
buff
coin
llc
own
100
of
meme
team
llc.
Well
in
theory,
it
could
it's
all
about
how
you
want
to
flow
your
funds.
So
if
it's
just
you
for
example,
so
this
is
josh
owning
buffalo,
corn
yeah.
So,
yes,.
C
Yeah,
so
if
you
have,
if
yes,
so
if
you
are
the
main
facilitator
and
the
other
people
aren't
owners,
then
it
would
look
like
this
and
then
each
of
these
people
juan,
would
have
their
own
llc's
as
members
of
the
commons
and
then
buffalo
llc
would
just
pay
them
as
contributors.
So
it'd
be
a
corporate
corporate
arrangement
in
all
scenarios,
so
the
employment's
handled
individually
by
each
person,
and
then
spain
also
become
a
member
at
the
end
of
this
year,
probably
claudia
we're
working
really
hard
on
canada,
uk
and
eurozone.
C
So
those
are
like
really
high
priorities
for
us.
So
I
think
the
end
of
this
year
is
a
good
probability
of
that
in
the
meantime,
join
as
a
coalition
member,
if
you're
in
spain-
and
we
will
you'll,
have
a
top
priority
for
membership
for
employee
status
when
it
comes
and
you'll
still
get
to
be
a
part
of
the
genesis
distribution.
So
there's
there's
big
reason
why
you'll
still
want
to
join.
A
C
Is
it
possible
to
get
the
slightest
facility?
Yes,
we
will
we'll
be
sharing
this
entire
slide
deck
with
you,
one
so
like.
In
fact,
I
will
go
ahead
and
set
that
up
in
just
one
second,
as
soon
as
I
stop
sharing
this,
I
will
put
yeah
he'll
we'll
get
to
you,
the
link
and
we'll
share
in
the
forum,
and
that
way
you've
got
it.
A
So
operationally
speaking
with
payouts,
like,
let's
say
we're
in
the
team
structure
right
now
and
the
let's
say,
there's
one
owner
of
the
operating
llc
with
multiple
contributors,
so
that
owner
that
facilitator
would
facilitate.
You
know
the
payout.
The
payout
would
happen.
It
would
go
to
an
ethereum
address
that
is
marked,
as
you
know,
owned
by
the
operating
llc
and
then
all
this
distribution
of
of
salary,
and
all
of
that
would
happen
through
the
facilitator
through
that
llc.
C
So
their
entity
would
be
instead
of
maker
dow
on
this
particular
slide.
It
would
be
whatever
that
facilitator's
llc
is,
would
be
paying
diet
to
the
facility
to
the
contributors
llc
ethereum
address,
and
then
they
would
just
then
remit
it
to
opelus
lca
for
their
payroll,
etc,
etc.
So,
juan,
I
will
give
you
I
will
create
for
you
a
secondary
slide
just
to
make
it
helpful
to
see
to
visualize
the
flow
as
a
facilitator.
C
So
what
what
this
is?
This
assumes
that
all
three
contributors
to
meme
team
llc
are
owners
right.
Okay,
so
assuming
that
mean
team
llc
is
only
owned
by
buffacorn
llc.
In
this
particular
instance,
it
would
still
look
the
same
as
far
as
flows
go
because,
let's
say
spork
and
pegabuffacorn
are
contributors,
but
not
owners.
C
Payment,
wise,
it's
just
the
ownership
of
meme
team
llc
just
happens
to
be
one
person
instead
of
assuming
it's
three
equally
or
something
yeah
right.
This
could
be
any
number
of
like
percentages
of
ownership,
of
that
one
entity
now
again
best
practice.
If
you're
accepting
payment
for
services,
I
would
not
dow
eyes
yourself.
I
would.
I
would
have
a
legal
entity
to
accept
that,
even
if
you're
doing
it
in
crypto,
that's
considered
an
asset
transfer
or
you
know
an
asset
acceptance,
and
you
would
have
to
correlate
that
to
us
dollars
in
terms
of
like
receipts.
C
C
Yeah,
so
the
payment
flow
looks
like
this
in
simple
terms,
so
maker
dao
is
going
to
send
I
to
this
controlled
address
this
person.
Doesn't
this
and
josh
doesn't
have
to
send
all
of
the
die
that
he
got
here
to
his
business
account?
So
let's
say
he
got
10
grand
here,
but
he's
only
paying
himself
6
000
a
month
on
a
salary.
A
C
He
could
send
six
thousand
and
die
over
here
to
the
opposite:
commons,
lca
and
then
he's
choosing
die
a
combination
of
die,
usd
ethereum
and
bitcoin,
which
is
all
compliantly
done
as
his
paycheck
to
him
as
an
individual,
so
you'll
see
the
dotted
line.
This
assumes
the
co-employment
relationship
between
the
two
right.
So
he
owns
this
entity
that
is
acting
on
his
behalf
and
he's
the
sole
owner
of
it.
C
C
Each
person
can
pay
themselves
whatever
amount
they
want
as
long
as
it's
flsa
qualified,
which
means
you
have
to
pay
yourself
at
least
the
minimum
wage
in
the
state
that
you're
in
and
then
your
you
know
best
practices
are,
are
to
separate
again
and
not
co-mingle
your
business
funds
and
what
you
earn
as
a
business
versus
your
employment
funds.
But
again,
those
are
sort
of
nuance
type
things
that
we
can
help
walk
you
through
each
individually.
C
C
A
Yeah
got
it
so
it
looks
like
the
the
two
solutions
that
have
been
kind
of
proposed
to
the
maker
community
so
far
for
helping
core
units
really
figure
out
that
back
end
stuff
is
opolis
right.
The
thing
that
we're
covering
today's
call
and
then
dennis,
presented
accountable
on
the
know.
Your
mips
call
back
in
january,
where
basically
it
would
be
like
a
traditional
company,
one
llc
one
owner
and
then
like
traditional
employment,
but
their
their
service
provision
would
be
pretty
much
the
same.
Minus
this,
the
sovereign
employment
right.
C
Those
things
still
have
to
be
accounted
for.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we've
got
the
zero
accounting
software
partnership,
so
people
can
get
75
percent
off
their
own
instance
of
a
set
of
books.
We
can
pipe
all
the
data
into
it
and
then
we
will
be
building
out
vertical
integration
into
the
entire
supply
chain
of
employment,
including
all
the
accounting
from
end
to
end
tax
returns.
Everything
you
can
think
of
will
be
built
into
the
stack
in
not
too
long
of
time.
B
C
A
Right
right,
I'm
curious.
I
know
we
only
have
a
couple
minutes
left,
but
I
know
in
a
traditional
company
employment
and
like
letting
people
go
and,
like
you
know,
dealing
with
you
know
what
every
single
company
deals
with
is
handled.
You
know
by
a
different
set
of
laws.
What's
the
I
guess
nuance
behind
doing
it
this
way
versus
doing.
C
C
This
is
a
really
really
smart
question
and
actually
this
is
probably
one
of
the
best
benefits
of
of
flexibility
in
this
model,
you're
not
bound
by
traditional
employment
contracts
or
regulations,
because
you're
you're,
how
you
have
a
business
to
business
relationship,
so
these
are
governed
by
contractor
agreements.
These
are
services
agreements.
C
A
C
You
can
essentially
follow
the
termination
clauses
of
your
agreements,
and
you
don't
have
to
like
you
know
if
it's
an
if
it's
a
a
seven-day
termination
clause
that
you've
agreed
to,
then
that's
what
you
abide
by
you
know.
It's
whatever
you
come
up
with
is
a
business
arrangement
between
contributors
and
business.
You
know
their
businesses
and
the
memes
email
I'll
see
as
an
example.
These
are
all
that
this
is
very
flexible,
they're
handling
their
own
employment
regulatory
stuff.
A
C
You
know:
do
those
10
things
you
know
like
get
as
detailed
as
you
want,
but
like
if
they're
not
delivering
on
some
output,
it
makes
it
makes
meritocracy
much
easier
because
it
you
have
to
define
the
business
versus
just
being
an
employee
which
is
easy
to
kind
of
just
sit
around
and
do
nothing
right
because
you're
being
paid
time-based
versus
task-based.
So
right,
we've
seen,
we've
seen
entire
teams
from
software
developers
to
project
managers,
product
managers,
designers
even
executives,
decentralized
themselves
entirely
into
like
this
type
of
situation
that
we
have
right
here.
A
C
C
As
far
as
legal
advice,
it's
always
best
to
get
your
own
legal
advice,
because
we
don't
currently
have
legal
built
into
the
platform
and
for
for
risk
and
sort
of
liability
purposes.
We
probably
never
will.
We
can
also
put
you
in
touch
with
people
that
that
are
familiar
with
opolis
that
are
attorneys.
C
That
can
advise
you
on
this,
but
our
templates
are
pretty
good
and
we
can
sort
of
give
you
some
pointers
on
kind
of
the
things
to
think
about
and
how
to
even
build
a
statement
of
work
kind
of
thing.
So
sure
is
there
telegram?
Yes,
so
telegram
is
josh.
You
want
to
dump
that
in
there.
Oh
there
it
is
right
there
and
if
you
want
to
put
my
telegram
in
there
too,
josh
you're
welcome
to
while
you're
doing
it.
C
Let's
see,
how
are
the
payments
to
suppliers
in
other
than
hr?
Oh
very
good
question,
so
payments
and
invoicing
are
something
that
we're
working
on
very
soon.
So
there
are
some
money,
transmitter
issues
and
laws
around
that
we
are
working
with
both
fiat
rails
as
well
as
crypto
rails,
to
do
both
compliantly,
so
we're
partnering
with
a
couple
of
different
crypto
companies
that
have
like
some
interesting
invoicing
technology
and
we're
sort
of
in
the
early
stages
of
doing
that.
C
So
yes,
eventually,
you
will
be
able
to
do
end
to
end
everything
so,
whether
you're
paying
a
bill
for
something
or
you're
invoicing,
a
client
or
you're
doing
whatever
you
need
to
do
it'll
be
available
both
in
crypto
and
in
fiat
based
tools.
So
those
are
coming
who
is
maker
who
is
maker,
is
handling
bob
gate
conversation
from
bts
blockchain.
I
don't
know.
C
B
C
A
C
C
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
employment
space
and
when
you
look
at
the
regular
regulatory
challenges
like
there's
just
a
ruling
against
uber
in
the
uk
around
defining
drivers,
his
employees-
you
know
california,
did
this
with
ab5
there's
this
big
fight
about
who
should
take
responsibility
for
employment
and
employment
related
things
and
the
trend
is
also
not
just
you
know.
It's
not
like
the
employees
want
that
that,
like
freedom
and
flexibility
are
the
new
the
new
thing
right.
It's
not
safety
and
security.
Of
the
your
welcome,
claudia
and
you're.
C
Welcome
jeremy
you're
welcome
nadia
and
yes
peyton.
We
should
play
poker
sometime
online
come
to
eat
denver.
We
play
all
the
time
back
to
the
where
my
kind
of
soapbox
deal
here
just
kind
of
punctuating.
This.
The
future
of
work
is
independent
and
freedom
and
flexibility
because
of
the
broken
social
contract
of
employment.
I
mean
there
is
no
loyalty
anymore.
Safety
and
security
was
really
underpinned
by
loyalty
and
loyalty
doesn't
exist
in
employment
anymore.
It's
it's
just
not
a
thing.
C
The
the
the
existence
of
it
or
even
the
discussion
of
it
is
a
mirage.
It's
not
real.
I
mean
look
at
the
crash
of
o8.
Look
at
the
covid
unemployment
numbers.
There
is
no
loyalty,
so
we've
got
to
build
systems
that
allow
people
to
own
their
lives
commercially
and
opolis
really
represents
a
very
early
iteration
of
this.
C
This
fluid
high
frequency
global
dynamic
work
world
of
work
where
we
work
for
10
companies
at
one
time,
we're
de-risking
ourselves
by
having
different
revenue
streams,
we're
not
we're
not
subjugated
by
one,
you
know
putting
all
of
our
eggs
in
one
basket
all
of
our
benefits
and
products
and
features
are
sovereign
to
us.
We
get
to
choose
all
of
those
things
and
where
we
put
our
attention
and
what
we
patron,
no
one
in
hr
is
making
those
decisions.
For
us
I
mean
we're
really
making
our
own
choices
based
on
a
system.
C
That's
really
truly
at
its
core
benevolent
to
us
and
that's
why
I
use
the
terminology
public
utility
infrastructure,
because
you
can't
build
this
type
of
service
on
top
of
the
traditional
llc,
because
eventually,
just
like
uber
and
lyft
and
other
platforms
before
them,
they
become
extractive.
It
becomes
misaligned.
C
C
C
So
again,
that's
opposed
co,
slash
coalition
and
get
in
on
the
genesis
drop,
because
it's
it's
gonna,
be
I
mean
when
this
thing
really
catches
fire
which
it's
starting
to
already
I
mean
we're
josh
and
I
are
on
back-to-back
calls
like
every
day
now.
This
is
gonna
accelerate
pretty
quickly.
I
suspect.
A
Yeah,
I
think
over
the
next
I'd
say
three
to
four:
I
mean
even
extending
that
further,
maybe
like
over
the
next
six
months.
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
you
got
you
know
a
dozen
or
two
maker,
dow
contributors,
but
of
course
I'm
just
guessing,
but
I
imagine
this
is
gonna,
be
super
helpful
to
a
lot
of
people.
C
Yeah
now
one
thing
that
I'm
not
and
we're
not
sure
how
to
put
this
up
for
any
sort
of
formal
proposal.
But
this
is
maybe
something
we'll
just
float
and
plant
a
seed
with
you
is,
we
would
love
to
see,
make
or
doubt
actually
the
dao
itself
become
a
coalition
member
and
the
the
dao
would
be
rewarded
with
work
tokens
for
the
contribution.
A
C
Yeah
we
would
we
would.
We
would
love
that,
in
fact,
we
are
not
we're
not
selling
tokens
right,
so
you
can't
buy
work
tokens,
but
you
know
by
the
nature
of
how
these
emergent
markets
work.
We
understand
the
dynamics
and
the
likelihood
of
somebody
going
and
setting
up
some
sort
of
market
right.
We
do
see
the
thing
that
I
love
personally
and,
of
course,
I'll
step
out
of
shilling
mode
for
a
minute.
C
The
thing
that
we
were
really
aiming
to
do
is,
you
know,
use
a
lot
of
web
3
concepts
in
token
economics
and
and
these
new
age
principles
of
taos
and
decentralized
governance,
and
what
three
tech
and
sovereign
data
and
identity
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
the
real
magic
comes
when
we're
actually
taking
a
real
life
business
like
a
traditional
industry,
a
big
one,
payroll
employment,
outsourcing
and
all
this,
and
actually
like,
modernizing
it
with
like
a
a
business
model,
that's
actually
sustainable
in
the
real
world.
It's
pretty
powerful,
stuff,
yeah.
C
A
I
definitely
think
so
because
yeah
like
even
apart
from
just
the
communities
having
value
in
and
of
themselves
like
you
know,
you
may
be
working
with
a
number
of
people
in
opolis
on
your
project,
but
then,
once
you're
done
with
that
engagement,
you
have
access
to.
I
know
opolis
also
does
like
job
lists
like
there's
a
whole.
Basically
alumni
of
of
people
that
you
can
draw
from
to
do
your.
A
C
A
Yeah,
I
love
it.
Cooperatives
are
great
individual.
Empowering
the
individual,
I
think
is,
is
such
a
huge
like
cornerstone
of
not
just
cryptoculture,
but
I
think
our
emerging
generations-
culture
at
least
here
in
the
us.
I
think
everybody
is
becoming
more
and
more
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
they
have
to
really.
You
know,
look
after
themselves
take
care
of
themselves,
and
thankfully
companies
like
yours
are
making
it
possible
so
and
easier,
because
the
main
thing
stopping
people
is
really
just
the
headache
of
incorporating
the
headache
of
getting
the
legal
advice.
The
headache
of
oh.
C
And
and
the
traditional
corporate
players,
you
know
that
aren't
thinking
about
the
individual
are
thinking
about
the
individual
as
product
right.
So
it's
in
the
corp
to
corp
world
the
employees
are
the
product.
I
mean
that's
the
so
yeah
I
mean
no
one's
in.
Nobody
wants
to
touch
a
single
person,
llcs
corp,
for
a
peo.
They
don't
make
enough
money
their
way
of
their
way
of
doing
these.
Businesses
is
very
1970s,
1960s
1980s
and
how
and
how
they
even
go
out
and
market
their
businesses.
C
You
know
it's
even
in
the
digital
world,
it's
just
very
old
school
and
it's
it's
very
impersonal.
It's
like
you
know.
This
is
the
most
intimate
thing
that
you
can
think
about
your
health
insurance
and
your
paycheck
and
like
they
treat
you
like
they
treat
you
like
garbage.
So
you
know
we
really
fundamentally
redesign
the
entire
incentive
structure
and
that's
and
and
the
legal
structure
and
the
benevolence
mechanisms
like
everything's,
been
completely
redesigned.
The
product
is
still
kind
of
the
same.
C
A
Yeah
nice.
Well
with
that
john
joshua.
Thank
you
both
so
much
for
coming.
This
was
really
really
informative.
I
learned
like
a
ton
and
I
definitely
hope
the
people
that
watched
both
live
and
soon
the
recording
will
will
also
find
this
super
helpful.
So
thank
you
and,
and
if
there
is
any
like
really
big
topic
of
interest
from
from
our
side,
I'm
definitely
going
to
shoot
you
an
email
and
we
can
potentially
set
up
like
a
second
community
call
sometime
in
the
future.
If
there's
interest.