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https://forum.makerdao.com/t/delegate-office-hours-includes-poll-for-discussion-topic/16571
A
All
right,
hello,
everyone
welcome
to
our
second
delegates
office
hours,
thomas
footer,
with
govcoms.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
us.
I,
for
today's
meeting
we
put
a
poll
out
a
quick
poll
for
the
quickest
poll
that
you
may
have
seen,
but
we
did
come
up
with
one
item
for
this
well
actually
two
items
for
discussion,
but
I
think
one
of
them,
especially
talking
about
off-boarding
cool.
You
know
off-boarding,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
going
on
with
that,
and
so
that
that
would
be
a
great
topic
for
discussion
today.
A
We
also
had
constitution
came
in
as
a
tie,
so
we
may
want.
We
may
just
use
that
for
maybe
next
week's
conversation,
because
the
gnr
call
discussion
will
be
on
offboarding
core
units,
so
I
know
a
lot
of
activity
going
on,
so
I
think
you
will
be
good
for
today.
So
again,
thank
you
for
joining
us
and
and
again
we
can.
A
We
could
talk
about
the
off-boarding
of
the
frequent
units
that
are
out
there
right
now
and
if
you
don't
have
any
other
topics
for
discussion,
please
feel
free
to
to
open
up
for
raise
your
hand
or
unmute,
but
we
hopefully
will
have
a
good
level
set
conversation
today
and
not
get
hijacked
like
we
did
last
week.
So
that
said,
oh
look
at
that.
Josh
got
your
hand
raised.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
So
I
wanted
to
we've
been
working
on
this
kind
of
explanation.
I'm
just
gonna
post
in
the
in
the
chat,
google,
doc
and
there's
just
a
few
things
to
finalize
here
and
then
I'm
gonna
be
posting
this
on
the
forums
too,
but
currently
it's
like
in
draft
mode
and
we're
just
tweaking
things
but
yeah.
So
the
bottom
line
is.
B
Well,
I'll
just
go
through
it,
real,
quick,
so
uminify
services
we
were
using
them,
for
you
know
a
few
different
things
and
probably
the
the
triaging
of
the
bug
bounties,
the
the
bug
reports
is
kind
of
the
the
thing
we'd
like
to
keep
them
for,
but
we
we
can.
We
can
just
defer
that
and
just
receive.
You
know
no
no
service
from
them.
B
First,
for
a
month,
we'll
see
how
that
goes,
and
then
we
could
even
continue
that
and
then
I'll
just
be
doing
triaging
as
best
I
can,
and
if
I
can't
figure
out
the
bug
then
I'll
just
escalate
to
our
are
you
know
either
ducks
or
pe
and
the
the
reason
we
want
to
triage
bug
reports
before
we
raise.
We
we
escalate
them
is
because
our
pe
and
ducks
teams
are,
you
know,
highly
paid.
B
So
if
we
can
screen
them
out
with
you
know,
people
like
me
who
don't
don't,
have
a
huge
salary.
Then
then
that's
better.
Then
we
can
save
the
time
for
people
who
are
really
highly
compensated
and
have
important
work
to
do
in
terms
of
chaos
labs.
You
know
we.
We
we
had
a
budget
to
collaborate
them.
Of
course
we
haven't
spent
any
yet
because
they
they
haven't
been
ready
to.
B
We
kind
of
haven't
had
any
further
collaboration
with
them,
so
we
only
spent
about
five
thousand
dollars.
So
it's
in
our
budget,
but
we're
not
we're
not
using
that
money
and
we
we
don't
plan.
We
don't
have
any
plans
to
use
that
money.
There's
there's
gonna
be
a
call
with
defy
safety
next
week
and
that's
just
that
was
initiated
from
their
side
and
so
that
that's
not.
That
call
does
not
reflect
like
some
new
collaboration
with
them,
but
we
could,
let's
see
much
newer
blah
blah
blah.
B
So
did
we
I
I
don't
know,
I
I'd,
have
to
read
it
more
carefully
to
to
see
whether
we're
oh,
no,
I
guess
we're
it's
still
in
our
budget,
we're
just
not
spending
that
money,
let's
see
and
and
in
terms
of
chain
security,
it's
kind
of
the
same
thing
like
we.
We
would
only
call
on
them
if
protocol
engineering
asked
us
to
so
we're,
not
it's
in
our
budget,
but
we're
not
spending
that
money.
B
Let's
see
and
then
in
terms
of
my
my
compensation,
I'm
I'm
just
gonna
cut
a
day
a
week
like
so
go
from
five
days
a
week
to
four
days
a
week,
but
I
mean
that
doesn't
mean
I
have
like
three
two
or
two
or
three
days
a
week
off.
You
know
completely
like
I,
I'm
gonna
distribute
my
hours
across
the
week,
so
you
know
I
just
work
fewer
hours,
but
you
know
because
bugs
could
come
in
any
time.
B
B
But
you
know
I'll
do
my
best
and
in
you
know
I
think
I
can
complete
most
of
my
responsibilities
with
without
too
much
loss
in
in
like
what
is
it
a
service
level.
So
you
know
my
response
times
may
be
a
little
slower
in
some
cases,
but
I
think
I
can
cover
most
of
this
stuff,
since
I've
had
a
lot
of
practice
over
the
last
six
months
and
trayvon
is
willing
to
kind
of.
C
Looks
like
looks
like
he's
lowering
his
his
salary
yeah.
This
is
super,
informative
man
glad
you
came
on.
Can
we
can
we
start
from
the
top,
though,
because
you
mentioned
that
some
of
the
services,
your
core
unit
and
immunify,
is
going
to
reduce
with
these
budget
cuts.
You
guys
are
proposing,
and
I
really
appreciate-
I
think,
a
lot
of
the
delegates
here,
especially
from
the
hawkish
side,
probably
want
to
see
this
happen.
C
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
up,
but
so
are
you
saying
that
the
postmortem
is
going
to
be
pretty
much
on
the
core
units?
You
know
maybe
pekko
or
or
someone
like
risk
or
c
ces
would
have
to
do
the
write-up
of
any.
You
know
high-end
critical
vulnerabilities,
and
then
I
believe
you
mentioned
on
this
document.
The
operational
audit.
B
Frank:
it's.
The
main
difference
is
the
high
severity
vulnerabilities,
so
the
critical
vulnerabilities
will
still
receive
you
know
write
up
from
immunify
because
that's
like
a
free
part
of
their
service,
so
we'll
still
benefit
from
that,
but
we
had
also
contracted
with
them
to
write
up
the
high
severity
vulnerabilities
and
that
will
not
be
done
by
them
automatically.
So
yeah
it'll
be
on
our
core
units
to
write
it
right
up,
do
a
write
up
if
they
want
to
yeah.
But
please
continue,
though
you're
asking
another
question.
C
B
A
And-
and
let
me
let
me
add
to
this-
I
know
we're
talking
about
the
future,
but
how
did
we
get
to
this
point?
Just
recently,
the
posts
came
out
on
the
forum
from
a
community
member
who
said
that
issued
the
facilitator
off
board
and
the
modified
budget,
which,
both
of
those
together
say,
a
foreign
core
unit
it
was
particular
was,
is
event
and
and
three
of
them
strategic
happiness.
Josh.
A
B
Yeah
thanks
thomas,
I
just
want
to
point
out
one
little
addendum
on
that
is
that
our
core
unit
was
already
contemplating
reducing
services
in
our
june
update
before
that,
off-boarding
proposal
came
through,
so
we
were
already
like
trying
to
be
proactive
in
reducing
our
budget
yeah
yeah.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
A
And-
and
I
know,
tim
you've
got
your
hand
raised,
but
I
do
want
to
add
josh
that
the
updates
are.
Those
are
very
good.
It's
good
information,
it
is
showing
its
written
documentation
of
you
know
here.
Here's
what
our
core
units
been
doing
is
doing
and
looking
for
the
future
and
glad
you
guys
were
able
to.
If
you
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
updates
that
are
out
there
on
the
forum
that
people
are
spending
a
lot
of
their
time
on
to
at
least
provide
what
they're
doing
it
does
help.
B
D
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
proactive
about
this.
I
am
I'm
a
bit
unsure
if
you're
overshooting
to
be
honest,
but
in
a
in
a
more
general
sense,
I
think
it's
is
essentially
one
of
the
big
things
of
a
facilitator
to
actually
be
proactive
about.
If
we
are,
if
we
can
cut
on
budgets,
then
we
should
do
that
and
not
wait
for
someone
else
to
to
do
the
off-boarding
or
whatever.
E
D
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
this
is
some
kind
of
reaction
to
the
off-boarding
proposal,
not
at
all,
so
I
totally
ignore
the
off-boarding
proposal
and
just
look
at
this
one.
So
just
just
one
one
question,
so
this
is
essentially
I
mean
this.
This
is
called
the
immunify
core
unit
right,
so
unifi
is
pretty
pretty
much
cut
down
right.
It's
just
one
of
a
couple
of
external
service
providers
that
you
are
you're
taking
here
right.
B
D
Yeah
yeah
so
again,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
proactive
about
this
yeah.
I
I
need
to
go
more
into
detail
and
think
about
this
in
a
more
general
sense.
I
think
what
we
are,
what
we
are
going
to
face
over
time
is
that
we
run
into
engineering
boredom
problems,
so
there
is
budget
and
the
amount
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
is
shrinking,
because
some
at
some
point
of
time
mission
is
complete,
so
you're
actively-
and
I
am
an
engineer.
D
You're
looking
out
for
new
things
to
to
work
on
and
the
the
risk
I
see
in
a
in
a
general
sense
is
that
without
having
a
proper
mandate
on
actually
doing
that,
you
just
pick
up
that
stuff
without
actually
asking.
If
this
is
needed
or
not,
so
this
is
probably
not
applying
to
your
proposal
not
at
all,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that.
D
D
I
just
I
just
saw
this
in
the
I
don't
know
there
was
a.
There
was
a
thread
about
sidestream
asking
hey:
are
you
doing
smart
contract
stuff
or
not?
Are
you
just
doing
ui
stuff
or
not,
and
not
saying
that
this
is
actually
a
symptom
of
a
board
engineer
problem
but
yeah?
This
is
at
least
something
we
need
to
actively
look
at
as
a
community
to
avoid
this
being
to
happen.
D
So
because,
if
we
face
engineering
bottom
then
I
think
the
facilitator
at
least
should
make
the
call
on
being
proactive
about
this
and
saying
hey.
We
are
running
out
of
yeah.
The
backlog
is
shrinking,
so
we
reduce
the
scope
and
by
that
or
shall
we
reduce
the
budget
or
shall
we
pick
up
something
else?
I
have
options
abc
here
and
if
this
is
not
happening,
then
we
clearly
have
a
problem,
and
this
will
ultimately
lead
to
others
putting
up
off-boarding
proposals
which
we
probably
want
to
avoid.
A
Yeah
it's
interesting.
Thank
you
tim
for
that
yeah!
It's
it's
we've
gone
through
this
before
off
boarding.
Once
I
mean
it
was
mkt,
and
now
it's
this
this
there's
three
I
mean
there's
three
completely
different
off-boarding
proposals
to
off-board
the
core
unit.
Now,
just
for
the
facilitator
modify
the
budget.
They
want
they're
motivated
by
saying
that
there
isn't
a
need
for
this
court,
the
core
units-
or
you
know-
I
don't
know
it
it.
A
D
C
H
H
For
the
worst
for
the
worst,
you
know
in
another
office
hours
like
the
two
tims
can
battle
it
out
over
engineering
versus
product
management
philosophies.
But
this
is
not
the
time
for
that
for
off-boarding,
I
would
say
that
it's
funny
that
there's
three
operatings
up
and
the
mip
to
revise
off-boarding
hasn't
gone
through.
So
I
wanted
to
take
personal
responsibility
for
that
and
put
a
plug
in
that.
There
is
still
some
rfc
there,
but
I
think
that
that's
gotten
pretty
good.
H
What
is
a
little
troubling
is
that
these
off-boardings
are
kind
of
really
not
based
on
anything
objective,
which
kind
of
echoes
tim's
point
in
general.
You
know
like
in
an
ideal
world,
we
would
say
like
okay,
how
much
are
we
spending
on
these
bug
bounties?
Are
they
mostly
critical
or
are
they
not?
Are
they
mostly
front-end
or
are
they
smart
contracts?
Do
we
have
the
coverage
we
need
sort
of
that
holistic
evaluation
of
it,
but
instead
it's
just
sort
of
like.
Oh,
this
is
a
place
we
can
like
cut.
H
I
think
there's
so
much
work
going
into
things
behind
the
scenes.
That
are,
I
mean
well
not
behind
the
scenes,
they're
relatively
transparent
from
ses,
to
make
this
much
clearer
for
your
average
layman,
who
isn't
paying
attention
like
delegates
are,
or
your
average
for
unit
person
is
in
it
day
to
day
but
yeah.
H
I
would
say
that
cutting
for
the
sake
of
cutting
state
because
you
don't
like
something
is
not
necessarily
the
best
decision,
long
term,
and
mostly
it
just
leads
to
people
not
wanting
to
work
here,
which
you
know
rounds
the
whole
thing
out
in
general.
There
will
be
nothing
to
work
on
because
there's
no
one
who
wants
to
say
so.
Hopefully
we
can
start
to
be
a
little
bit
more
objective
but
to
round
us
out
and
finish
it
out.
Sorry
for
talking
so
much.
H
H
A
C
Yeah,
thank
you
rafael,
sorry
about
that
tim
and
rafael,
so
it
was
actually
tim
schupe
and
I
had
spoken
about
this
and
we
spoke
about
like
merging
some
of
these
teams
together
right.
So
I
I
don't
know
where
immunify
can
merge
with.
I
guess.
If
I
had
to
take
a
quick
guess,
it
would
be
protocol
engineering,
but
you
know
I
also
wanted
to
ask
josh
and
josh.
I
don't
want
to
like
you
know,
for
you
to
take
up
like
an
apologies,
for
this.
C
Don't
take
up
like
too
much
time
on
this,
but
you
mentioned
in
this
write-up
that
the
white
white
hat
hacker
would
have
less
interest.
If
chaos
labs
allows
a
lot
of
the
the
the
innovation
that
they're
trying
to
bring
to
make
or
that
right
with
the
agent-based
simulation.
So
can
you
expand
that
real
quickly,
but
with
it
without
taking
too
much
time?
There's
a
lot
of
people
on
this
call.
B
Yeah
thanks
frank,
frank
for
that's
a
really
good
question.
You
know
I'm
really
happy
to
answer
that
because,
like
I
see
chaos
labs
is
a
really
important
piece
of
or
potentially
an
important
piece
of
the
bug
bounty
program,
because
you
know
these
white
hat
bug
hunters
like
they.
They
don't
want
to
spend
huge
amount
of
time
trying
to
understand
how
to
set
up.
You
know
all
the
components
of
the
maker
system,
so
they
have
a
proper
test
environment
so
they
can
test.
B
You
know
some
some
scenario
that
you
know
isn't
isn't
what's
currently
happening
on
main
net
like
it's.
It
would
be,
I'm
sure
it
would
be
much
more
convenient
for
them
to
be
able
to
spin
up.
You
know
a
whole
maker
environment
and
you
know,
and
and
try
stuff
out
and
and
push
at
the
edges,
and
you
know
they
could.
B
Even
you
know
if,
if
we
had
more
users
using
the
the
chaos
labs,
chaos
labs
offerings,
they
they
may
even
you
know,
ask
for
different
market
scenarios
that
did
we
hadn't
even
thought
of
testing.
You
know
like
that,
that
kind
of
input
from
the
white
hat
hackers
could
improve
the
you
know
what
risk
could
even
explore
in
in
thinking
about
you
know
different.
B
You
know
unlikely
events
that
could
happen
in
the
in
the
market,
and
so
you
know
I
I
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
of
onboarding
or
you
know,
maker.
Bringing
bringing
cath
labs
on
board.
Somehow
either
is
a
coordinator
as
a
contractor,
but
I
I
think
they
would
be
really
complimentary
to
the
the
the
bug
bounty
program.
C
I
Thanks,
frank,
awesome,
so
yeah,
I
think
just
what
what
bothers
me
a
little
bit
about
these
off-boarding
proposals
or
like
we
want
to
see
budgetary
discipline
clearly.
But
what
does
budgetary
discipline
really
mean?
I
mean
it
means
for
me
it
means
spending
on
the
right
things
and
not
on
the
wrong
things,
and
the
issue
is
at
the
moment
is
that
we
have
no
basis
to
decide
what
the
right
things
are.
I
mean
there's
like
obvious
waste,
okay,
but
then,
like
a
lot
of
these
things
are
like.
I
Will
it
pay
off
in
five
years
or
not?
Okay,
we
first
need
to
decide
where
we
want
to
be
in
five
years
to
even
have
this
discussion,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
ties
back
to
to
this
urgency
of
really
setting
the
the
priorities
of
where
the
doll
wants
to
go,
because
without
that,
we
we
we're
operating
in
the
total
dark
and
and
then
we
can
say
yeah.
We
want
a
cup
we
want
to
cut.
I
H
Yeah
to
that
point,
I'll
just
add,
there's
a
lot
of
conversations
and
new
discords,
and
these
things
going
on
about
the
sort
of
structure
of
maker
dow.
I
think,
because
humans,
no
matter
how
flat
you
want
to
say
your
organization
is
leaders,
emerge
and
hierarchies
develop
right.
Just
what
happens
a
little
bit
more
into
the
idea
of
clustering.
I
actually
think
the
structure
part
leads
to
what
raphael's
point
is,
which
is
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
of
like
the
functions
of
this
grouping
of
people.
H
However,
you
want
to
go
into
and
one
function
we
are
sorely
missing
is
a
strategy
function
which
is
like
every
six
months,
a
crew
of
people
representing
all
of
these
different
stakeholders.
Some
of
these
different
teams
comes
together
for
a
week
and
thinks
through
what
our
next
focuses
are
for
this
period
of
time.
You
know
these
are
some
of
the
rough
edges
of
something
I've
been
working
on
personally,
because
I
really
would
like
to
see
us
start
to
think
this
through.
H
I
think,
essentially,
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
derivative
of
hosu's
council
idea,
but
just
at
the
functional
level
like
yeah,
not
really
like
the
people
and
the
structure
and
controls
more
like
the
output.
What
are
we
coming
together
to
do?
What
are
the
focuses,
and
how
do
we
bring
that
out?
I'm
so
hoping
to
work
on
that
a
little
bit
more,
as
I
start
to
ramp
myself
back
into
things
for
close
vacation,
but
it's
it's
definitely
not
easy
right.
H
It
sounds
better
at
a
higher
level
like
when
you
put
it
into
the
people
part
it
starts
to
get
complex,
but
I'm
I'm
pretty
positive
that
we
have
the
minds
here
on
the
forum
into
calls
around
the
interstitial
community
and
even
surrounding
maker,
to
actually
start
to
put
that
together,
and
I
think
those
functions
would
be
pretty
helpful.
So
let
yourself
there.
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
tim
to
your
point,
it's
interesting
like
the
events
core
unit,
off-boarding
proposal,
you
know
they
were,
they
were
just
ratified
a
couple
of
months
ago.
You
know
and
they
the
divinity
event
they
just
put.
They
were
posting
out.
You
know
their
updates.
Here's
our
12-month
view
of
events
that
we're
going
to
be
you
know,
and
so
did
we
give
them
enough
time.
A
You
know
it's
it
you
get
ratified,
but
then
they
turn
right
back
around
immediately
and
say
we
don't
need
an
event
because
of
the
because
of
the
the
economy
right,
and
so
we
need
to
off
board.
Because
of
that
and
it's
so
that's
that's
that's
difficult.
You
know
for
someone
to
come
on
board
and
do
what.
D
So
the
way
of
boarding
works-
and
I
guess
it's
okay-
that
it
works.
That
way,
right
now
is
that
basically
everybody
could
come
up
and
propose
an
off-board
that
doesn't
mean
that
there
is
majority
for
the
off-boarding.
Just
because
there's
noise
on
the
forum
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
going
to
happen.
D
Does
it
send
a
bad
signal
to
the
outside?
Oh,
yes,
for
sure
it
does
so
yeah,
that's
a
big
deficit
of
the
current
system,
but
yeah
honestly,
just
coming
to
the
events
thing
I
will,
I
will
for
sure
not
support
the
off-boarding
proposal,
because
it's
not
that
much
money
for
the
bank
we
get
and
it's
well.
If
you,
if
you
compare
the
paris
event
we
had
last
year
with
the
divinity
event
we
had
in
denver,
that's
that's
not
even
different
league.
It's
a
different
game
that
we
are
playing
there.
G
D
I'm
an
expert
on
on
how
much
events
should
cost
right,
but
I
just
pulled
some
numbers
for
the
company
I'm
working
for
and
it's
actually
not
that
much
money
and
the
stuff
they
are
putting
up
is
really
high
quality
stuff,
and
I
totally
agree
that
also
looking
from
the
perspective
of
we
just
on
board
them,
we
shouldn't
off-board
them
right
now.
It's
it's
nonsense.
We
we
just
decided
that
we
want
to
have
them.
D
We
should
give
them
some
room
and
maybe
put
up
some
kpis
and
yada
yada
yada
all
that
stuff.
Fine,
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
that.
But
probably
it's
a
good
good
approach
to
do
that,
but
again,
just
because
somebody's
proposing
to
off-board
them
and
there's
tons
of
people
on
the
forum
saying
yeah.
We
need
to
off-board
them.
That
doesn't
mean
that
there
is
support,
but
from
npr
holders.
That's
that's!
Just
one
of
the
realities
we
are
facing
that
the
forum
is
not
reflecting
one
to
one.
What
we
have
on
shape.
A
I
Yeah
just
one
second
that
because,
like
with
the
events,
it's
just
like
it's
so
clear
and
it's
like
the
last
two
years,
we're
just
the
same.
The
first
thing
you
wanna
like
cut
when
there's
a
problem
is
anything
that's
related
to
fun,
because
fun
can
never
be
good
right.
It's
like
no!
As
long
as
we're
serious.
We
have
a
higher
chance.
Okay,
but
leaving
this
philosophical
discussion
aside,
I
think
yeah.
I
just
want
to
like
reiterate
to
the
point
where,
where
do
we
want
to
go
like
what's
the
position
of
maker?
I
Does
the
vision
of
maker
entail
a
marketing
function
that
has
events
or
not
do
it?
If
we
don't
do
events,
do
we
have
a
content,
publishing
arm
or
whatever,
but
like
without
the
strategy?
I
think
we're
just
groping
in
a
muddy.
You
know
lake
and
trying
to
fish
out
some
nuggets,
and
who
knows
I
mean
there's
this
old
german
saying
of
of
the
of
the
blind
chicken
who
finds
a
corn
once
a
day,
but
I'd.
G
J
J
Yeah,
so
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
events
is
is
very
different
from
like
say
the
immunify
situation,
where,
like
I
feel
it's
it's
reasonable
to
seek
like
some
kind
of
compromise
like
with
a
with
budget
reduction,
because
immunify,
I
think
most
people
would
say,
deliver
something.
So
I
think
that
I
am.
I
was
not
in
favor
of
events
at
the
beginning
when
it
was
onboarded,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
it
now
do.
J
I
think
that
even
without
changing
the
costs,
could
they
change
my
personal
opinion,
I
think
so,
but
the
the
focus
has
repeatedly
been
upon
social
events
that
are
not
related
to
business
development,
not
related
to
recruitment
of
talent.
Like
not
related
to
education
of
you
know,
used
potential
users.
J
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
if
they
had
done
events
and
not
been
parties-
and
I
think
there's
still
the
potential
to
change,
make
that
pivot
and
stop
throwing
dive
entities-
and
you
know
with
free
boos
for
people
who
we
don't
know
who
they
are
and
start
throwing
hackathons
or
educational,
outreaches
or
all
kinds
of
creative
stuff.
That
could
be
done,
and
I
think
that
I
think
I
think
that's.
J
A
Forum
as
well,
when
I
was
doing
the
research
yeah,
I
appreciate
it.
In
fact
it
was
another
comment
in
the
chat
and
they
do
was
talking
about
calculating
impacts
and
not
until
the
off-board
proposal.
They
started
scrambling
for
that
data.
I've
got
a
bunch
of
hands
raised.
I
think
I'll
try
to
get
to
the
right
order.
Should
I
go
frank:
tim
tim,
tim
flatt,
any
mini.
C
C
I'm
gonna
say
there
are
some
people
that
I've
met
at
this
event
that
are
actually
interested
in
maker,
dow
and
a
lot
of
times,
you'll
get
their
telegram
and
then
they'll,
you
know,
send
you
a
dm
like
a
week
later
after
the
conference
is
over
and
they're
like
hey,
is
maker.
Doing
this
is
maker.
Looking
to
do
this
with
so
and
so
platform.
Do
you
have?
C
I
mean
I've
even
have
I've
connected
and
a
lot
and
some
of
the
people
from
c
ses
growth
core
unit
can
tell
you,
I've
tried
to
connect
them.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
them
have
gotten
higher,
but
I've
connected
people
who
are
interested
to
working
for
the
dao
and
the
way
this
happens
is
by
going
to
these
events.
By
going
to
the
this
divinity
event
that
we
have
that
sinks
in
the
name
divinity
into
their
brains,
I
do
agree
with
you,
though,
that
we
could
be
educating
folks
right.
C
You
can't
educate
a
folk
on
a
nightclub
right,
I
mean
one
of
my
best.
Friends
is
actually
one
of
the
top
promoters
in
new
york
city.
For
one
of
these
crazy
nightclubs
that
I
don't
I
don't
care
to
go
anymore,
but
yeah
you
could
lose
your
hearing
from
being
in
one
of
these
things
every
day
and
then
actually
what
happened
to
him.
So
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
you're
right
about
that.
I
agree
with
you
there
you
we're
not
educating,
maybe
some
of
that
funding
could
go
towards
education.
C
C
Collecting
emails,
that's
being
done,
I
I've
done.
I
did
one
actually
with
david
yu
who
helped
me
out.
Thank
you
david.
If
you
remember,
we
did
a
little
diet
thing
for
a
charity
that
my
sister
runs
and
stuff
on
dye
education.
What
is
that?
What
does
maker
dao?
That
was
super
awesome
and
I
got
all
their
emails
right
from
using
eventbride.
C
D
You
frank
yeah,
just
just
one
thing:
the
events
core
unit
is
not
about
parties,
it's
about
brand
building
and
we
need
to
build
the
brand
because
yeah.
Nobody
knows
that
dye
is
built
by
makeup
and
we
are
still
in
the
situation
that
we
are
far
away
from
retail.
So
it's
a
very
small
ecosystem
of
builders
out
there
and
they
meet
at
those
conferences
and
fun
thing.
Is
those
people
like
to
attend
parties?
I
mean
I
personally
don't
go
to
conferences
for
the
content,
not
at
all.
D
If
there
are
two
two
talks
at
the
conference
that
are
good
great
and
I
hope
I
make
it
to
them,
but
it's
not
about
the
conference.
It's
about
meeting
people,
so
it's
an
ecosystem
for
builders
to
connect.
So
that's
the
whole
point
of
it
it.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
a
party
and
we
shouldn't
label
it
as
a
party.
It's
it's
something
where
we
are
building
our
brand
enough
of
that.
Next
time,.
H
Thank
you,
tim
tim
black
europe.
Yes,
I
have
some
sort
of
orthogonal
points
to
that.
Like
I
definitely
respect
that
opinion,
but
I
think
to
echo
something
we
talked
about
earlier
when
we're
gonna
off-board
things
or
we're.
Gonna
say
that
these
points
haven't
been
repeated
on
the
forum
or
those
things
missing.
Those
are
the
opportunities,
especially
for
delegates
to
go
and
talk
to
these
people.
So
before
I
went
on
vacation,
I
went
and
hung
out
with
john
and
was
like
what
are
the
kpis.
H
Where
are
you
struggling?
How
can
we
be
helpful?
We
had
a
half
an
hour
brainstorm
and
then,
all
of
a
sudden,
what
I
saw
is
now
they're
actually
doing
co-apps
they're
collecting
emails
through
eventbrite,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
disconnect
between
the
information
is
there
and
they
actually
listened
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
I
was
sort
of
highlighting
and
they
had
already
seen
them
and
started
processing
it.
H
So
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
us
to
sort
of
synergize
these
points,
condense
them
and
then
bring
them
to
core
units
in
a
collaborative
environment
which
is,
I
think,
a
little
bit
more
powerful
in
my
opinion
and
then
to
other
tim's
point.
It's
really
mercurial
to
onboard
someone
and
off
board
them.
Two
months
later,
that's
just
like
super
unreliable,
like
we
just
shouldn't
be
doing
that
on
principle
like,
even
if
we
don't
like
it
like,
we
should
be
trying
to
push
people
towards
hey.
H
For
six
months
we
tried
to
get
you
to
actually
show
us
what
you're
doing
to
bring
in
more
dye
users
or
to
do
educational
events
or
to
sort
of
pivot,
what
you're
doing
and
you're
not
doing
it,
and
at
this
point
this
is
why
this
isn't
working
for
the
dow
or
something.
So
I
hope
that
that
makes
sense,
but
that's
also
a
personal
bias.
Like
I
like
to
be
relentlessly
collaborative,
I
have
a
little
bit
more
time
on
my
hands
as
a
delegate
to
go
and
roll
my
sleeves
up,
maybe
that's
wrong.
That's
fine!.
A
Thank
you
tim.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
I
do
I
know
we've
talked
about
both
I
s
and
event.
I
do
want
to
bring
up.
We
got
a
third
one,
there's
a
third
off-boarding
as
well
and
that's
with
strategic
happiness.
I
know
folks
thoughts
on
bourbon
and
everything
that
he's
been
working
on
and
trying
to
modify
his
budget
as
well
based
on
some
of
the
comments
too.
So
I
don't
want
it
open
to
see
if
anybody
any
comments
about
strategic
happiness
and
that
core
unit
as
well.
C
F
Cool,
actually,
I
want
to
also
report
to
you
guys
that,
like
even
in
the
mandated
actress
call,
we
are
doing
like
thought
exercises
like
what
does
like
a
10
cut.
Look
like
and
that's
actually
slated
for
a
short
discussion
on
our
next
tuesday's
mandated
actor
call.
You
know
each
court
unit
who
is
participating
in
the
thought
exercise
is
kind
of
saying
like
hey,
how
do
we
cut
10
and
not
off
budget,
but
actually
off
like
actuals?
A
Yeah,
thank
you
david.
I
appreciate
it
for
that
insight
with
the
mandated
actors.
That's
good
yeah
and
it's,
but
I
do
want
to
go
back
to
saving
by
any
comments
on
strategic
happiness
as
well.
That
core
unit
you
know
is
also
under
fire,
and
I
don't
mean
to
use.
I
shouldn't
use
that
term
necessarily
but
they're.
Also
in
the
mix
here
as
well.
Does
anyone
have
any
comments
on
what
frank
were
you
gonna
say?
So
you
didn't
know
if
you
had.
C
Yeah
yeah
strategic
happiness
yeah,
I
think
I
think
under
fire
is
a
very
good
description.
Actually
thomas.
I
think
we
should
just
as
they
like
to
say
in
new
york
city,
keep
it
real
right
so
paper
imperium
by
the
way
posted
on
the
text
that
it's
great
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
david.
That's
super,
informative
for
all
the
delegates,
so
yeah
real
quickly,
because
I
know
we
have
another
delegate
coming
up
and
it's
awesome
to
see
other
delegates
getting
involved.
C
I
think
this
call
is
super
awesome
by
the
way,
I
think
for
as
far
as
strategic
happiness.
You
know
tim
schupner
and
I
have
spoken
about
this
earlier
with
regards
to
merging
the
core
units.
I
think
I
said
this
earlier.
I
think
you
know
from
my
experience.
I
can
only
talk
from
experience.
You
know
the
greatest
t-shirt
that
I
wore
that
resembles
maker
dow
and
die,
but
I
think
most
people
relate
to
it
tomorrow
to
die.
Is
that
you
know
I'm
not
stable
across
your
chest,
but
my
diet
is.
C
The
the
head
cmo,
a
chief
marketing
officer
of
mir
protocol,
take
a
photograph
of
it
and
I'm
sure
he's
going
to
use
it
for
near
or
their
new
stable
coin
and
he
sent
it
right
in
front
of
me
to
his
assistant
or
something
cmo
whatever.
So
look
it's
marketing
genius.
I
know
that
that
that
was
done
by
from
what
I've
heard
from
some
foundation
marketing
team
that
was
around
due.
You
might
know
more
about
that.
C
But
my
point
is
is
like
the
branding,
then
it's
super
important
and
I
know
it's
a
big
budget.
You
know
at
that
time
and
point.
I
believe
that
tim
schupner
and
I
were
the
two
delegate
platforms
when
I
say
is3f
delegate
that
voted
yes
for
this
with,
along
with
other
you
know,
og
maker,
token
owners
and
yeah.
It
was
a
fine
line
where
we
could
have
agreed
with
the
hawkish
folks
like
paper
and
do.
C
But
you
know,
we
believe
that
the
facilitator
of
strategic
finance
is
a
die-hard
maker,
dow
individual-
and
you
guys
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
You
know
mr
bourbon
himself
and
yeah.
There's
some
questions
about
him,
but
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that
because
I
know
dew
is
waiting
and
I
want
to
respect
this
time
so
duke
go
ahead.
Sorry
about
that.
A
K
Yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
that
you
know
first,
an
apology
for
offending
some
of
the
committee
members.
I
know
that
sometimes
I
can
kind
of
you
know
brunch
and
harsh
in
my
ways
so
apology
for
that,
but
I
do
kind
of
want
to
mention
that,
like
I
don't
understand
that
especially
bourbon,
he
has
been
a
dedicated
member,
but
I
do
think
that
we
also
need
to
look
into
efficiency
as
well
right
because-
and
then
this
is
something
that
approached
before
as
well.
It's
like
there
are
ways
to
try
to.
K
You
know,
make
him
more
efficient
and
also
make
like
because,
as
you
remember
like
I'm,
not
against
strategic
happiness
in
the
beginning
per
se,
but
then
when
he
proposed
to
increase
the
budget
to
be
almost
like
1
million,
and
then
we
still
really
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
transparency
or
accountability
that
some
of
the
community
members
wanted
right
like,
for
example,
on
his
budget,
there's
a
part-time,
that's
supposed
to
help
him
do.
We
know
who
his
or
her
name
is
like
or
like
some
of
the
specific
receipts
and
others.
K
So
I
feel
like
it's
more
of
a
question
about
like
my
interaction
with
him
is
like:
okay,
like
yes,
I
understand
there
might
be
a
place
for
him
and
then
yes,
he
has
been
a
dedicated
member,
but
it's
also
about
the
fairness
right
like
we
are
very,
very
harsh
for
others,
you
know,
like
foreigners
to
be
very
efficient,
be
very
transparent
or
comfortable,
how
they
approach
different
matters.
But
I
feel
like
that
we
are
being
very
like
giving
too
much.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Do
you
appreciate
that
and
in
fact,
reading
on
the
forums
you
know
is
it?
Is
there
something
we
merged
with
growth?
You
know,
is
it
you
know
maker
just
made
a
comment
to
repeatedly
ask
them
to
get
under
half
a
million
dollars
or
under
you
know
it's.
I
know
that
with
the
budget
that
came
out
there
was
a
lot
of
comments
in
the
forum
about
you
know
the
justification
for
the
expenses,
but
we
appreciate
your
comments
and
I
think
frank
wants
to
add
to
that.
C
Yeah,
the
the
mkr
vesting
right,
the
I
think
it's
250
mkr,
which
a
lot
of
folks
are
wrapping
into
the
entire
budget.
That
doesn't
that
that
you
know
if
we,
if
the
community
and
care
token
owners
delegates
that
are
on
this
cold
feel
like
this
team
is
not
doing
a
good
enough
job,
then
it
can
be
onboarded
before
any
of
that
investing
kicks
in.
So
let's
not
forget
that
right.
So,
let's,
let's
put
it
on
on
tape
that
yeah
it.
I
C
A
C
Yeah
and
so
paper
etherium
yeah
paper
paper
imperium
posted
that
we,
you
know
the
business
of
rugging,
mkr,
core
unit
team
members
and
no
paper.
You
know,
so
I
think
it's
an
incentive
right.
This
is
an
incentive
driven,
metaverse
workforce
and
community
members
alike
right
who
are
in
source
cred
delegates
who
you
know,
get
paid
and
die,
and
hopefully,
one
day
right
paper.
I
think
you
and
I
can
agree-
will
also
get
mkr
vested.
C
So
it's
an
incentive
that
if
you
don't
perform
right,
if
this
facilitator
bourbon
can't
can
perform,
then
yeah
by
all
means,
I'm
with
you
paper.
Let's
all
afford
it.
Let's
get
that
core
unit
out
of
here
as
fast
as
we
can
so,
I'm
just
being
brutally
honest.
Maybe
some
of
the
other
delegates
have
a
different
opinion,
but
yeah
raphael
looks
like
you:
have
your
hands
up
your
hand.
E
I
E
H
H
A
point
to,
or
just
just
the
quick
beat
to
just
echo,
what
do
is
saying
like
just
try
to
go
back,
not
to
like
the
performance
of
something,
because
I
mean
what
are
we
going
to
be
measuring
how
many
t-shirts
you
hand
out,
like
it's
more
just
kind
of
the
transparency
and
being
clear
about
what
you're
up
to
and
showing
improvement
there?
I
think-
and
I
really
want
to
stress
just
being
a
little
bit
more
general,
more
zoomed
out.
H
A
A
E
Yeah,
it
is
up
to
proposal
offers
right,
like
you,
don't
have
to
submit
your
mip
as
soon
as
it's
ready
like.
Maybe
they
think
the
community
discussion
is
is
going
or
there's
still
edits
to
make
or
what
have
you,
but
the
the
rfc
periods
are
are
posted
publicly.
So
for
the
two
most
recent
off-boardings,
those
did
come
a
day
after
those
those
cut-offs,
so
they
would
not
be
eligible
for
the
august
cycle.
It
would
be
eligible
for
september.
E
C
Mean
to
cut
you
off
because
we're
running
out
of
time
here,
real
quick.
What
what
would
you,
what
would
guff
alpha
do
if
there
was
a
signal
request
posted
in
the
middle
of
the
north
40
asking
the
community
to
intervene
and,
like
completely
disregard
what
could
be
what
could
be
interpreted
as
a
silly
off-boarding?
C
I
mean
just
just
humor
me
here,
a
silly
off-boarding
put
by
you
know
a
community
member
that
you
know
imagine
like
protocol
engineering
is
suggested
to
be
off-boarded
and
everyone's
like.
What
are
you,
nuts?
This
is
bananas.
We're
wasting
our
time
can.
Can
a
signal
request
override
that
just
there's
a
question
to
humor
all
of
us.
E
No,
so
the
reason
like
signals
need
community
approval
is
because
they're
faster
forms
of
governance
right
with
mips.
It
has
to
be
posted
for
at
least
a
month,
and
then
it's
voted
on
for
several
weeks.
So
there's
a
long
period
for
the
community
to
kind
of
debate
and
understand
that
so
that's
kind
of
the
protection
against
mips
is
that
by
the
time
it
goes
up
for
vote.
If
it
is
truly
a
silly
vote,
you
should
have
no
worries
about
it
about
it.
Failing.
C
C
A
Good
deal
well,
folks,
I
know
we're
getting
close
in
here,
for
today's
call
great
conversation-
and
this
is
exactly
what
I
think
our
intention
for
the
meetings
are-
is
to
come
and
provide
a
topic
to
discuss,
talk
about
the
pros,
the
cons,
how
we
can
improve.
You
know
these
processes
and
really
do
appreciate
everybody's
input
as
well.
Let's
continue
to
talk
about
this.
This
is
this
is
a
very
important
topic
for
maker
dial
and
we
will
have
this
recording
posted
here
soon.