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From YouTube: FriDAI Brunch n1: So You Wanna Work in Web 3.0?
Description
FriDAI Brunch n1 is a double interview/discussion with two young professionals, who shared with u s their experiences, visions, and anecdotes from working in this novel industry: Gustav Arentoft - Business Development at Maker Foundation and Lea Schmitt - Product Partnership Manager at Centrifuge.
A
And
we
we
want
to
address
new
topics
like,
for
example,
ux
design,
marketing
or
in
general
also
personal
experiences
and
personal
feelings
regarding
working
in
this
space.
So
today
is
the
first
one
and
we
will
have
two
very
fresh
and
young
professionals
working
in
the
in
the
space
for
a
while,
and
they
are
leah
schmidt.
A
A
B
A
Yeah,
you
can
so
hello,
leah
and
gustaf.
Thanks
for
joining,
we
can
now
start
with
the
with
the
questions
with
the
interview,
so
the
interview
will
be
will
be
divided
in
three
parts.
The
first
is
personal
related.
The
second
is
the
the
focus
on
web
free
and
the
blockchain
and
the
and
then
some
like
conclusion
and
advices
from
you
and
some
recommendations.
A
A
C
C
I
talked
to
gustav,
I
think,
two
weeks
ago,
where
we
said
okay,
we
have
been
on
the
space
for
two
years
and
it
has
been
a
little
bit
of
a
roller
coaster
that
has
these
crazy
ups
and
downs
and
like
just
like
crazy
use,
cases
etc,
and
it
can
be
quite
exhausting
at
times,
but
it's
also
really
exhilarating
and
really
exciting.
So
I
think
gustaf
is
someone
who
chooses
vertigo
in
his
life.
B
B
B
A
A
C
B
I
think,
like
the
three
ground
pillars
of
how
I
know
leah,
is
that
she
she
works
in
this
space
she's
into
climbing
and
she
lives
in
berlin,
and
if
that
doesn't
sound,
like
a
daring
adventure,
I
don't
know
what
is
so.
This
is
kind
of
like
how
I
I
see
lee
and
then,
of
course
I
also
have
a
great
respect
for
her
professionally.
A
C
Okay,
I
think
that's
like
completely
unrelated,
but
free
and
completely
unrelated,
to
maybe
this
topic.
But
I
think
what
we're
also
seeing
right
now
is
like
world
is
not
a
very
equal
place,
and
I
think
we
all
should
take
a
step
back
and
see
that
that
we
treat
those
or
like
that.
We
treat
everyone
how
we
want
to
be
treated.
And
if
we
are,
if
we
realize
that
we're
not
as
educated
about
a
certain
topic,
that
we
just
take
a
step
back
and
learn
and
make
sure
that
we
educate
ourselves
good.
B
For
me,
I
I
think,
there's
of
course,
like
a
lot
of
things
that
I
would
love
to
see
changed
in
the
world,
but
I
I
believe
that
one
thing
which
I
personally
can
help
influence
a
change
in
is
the
the
equal
and
fair
access
to
financial
services
which
can
drastically
improve
lives.
So
that's
kind
of
like
the
forefront
that
I
want
to
be
working
on,
and
it
also
comes
from.
B
I
I
used
to
live
in
argentina
for
a
year
and
a
half
where
you
know
I
kind
of
like
saw
how
much
people
oppressed
by
you
know
just
like
these,
like
unfair
local
environments
that
people
can
live
in.
You
know,
there's
such
a
big
difference
just
depending
on
like
where
you're
born
in
the
world
on
like
your
opportunities,
and
this
is
something
that
I
want
to
help
diminish.
A
Perfect
amazing
guys
and
we
are
actually
doing
a
job
which
is
influencing
both.
You
know
the
in
general,
the
fairness
and
the
we
can
help.
So
it's
it's
cool
to
work
in
this
space.
Also,
for
this
reason,
and
then
the
the
next
question
is
what
was
your
very
first
approach
to
the
blockchain
space
and
where
are
you
now?
So?
What
is
your
role
now?
Is
the
same
that
the
one
that
you
join
when
you
enter
or
it
has
changed.
We
also
start
here
from
leah
again.
C
C
I
had
no
clue
and
then
I
I
went
out
and
went
to
a
bunch
of
starter
at
meetups,
and
I
actually
I
went
to
one
of
the
meetups
in
berkeley
where
nada
from
dharma
was,
was
giving
a
talk,
and
that
was
way
before
they
even
launched
and
before
they
had
their
pivot,
and
I
was
like
okay.
There
might
be
something
to
this
and
it
was
a
really
interesting
like
like
how,
when
I
got
more
and
more
into
it
it.
C
I
learned
that
it
can
be
really
a
powerful
tool
to
change
an
incumbent
industry
that
you're
currently
working
in.
For
me,
that
was
really
the
energy
industry
and
then,
when
I
learned
about
centrifuge,
I
thought
there
is
a
real
way
to
disrupt
the
supply
chain,
finance
world
and
more
the
finance
world,
and
now
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
back
to
my
roots
with
talking
to
corporate.
B
B
B
This
was
you
know
just
before
the
bull
run
so
like,
while
that
was
going
on,
there
was
like
so
many
crazy
things
happening
out
there
and
I
was
into
like
the
more
like.
I
think
you
could
call
it
like
the
money
side
of
things
like
the
money
environment
you
know
with,
whereas
like
bitcoin
is
mostly
used.
I
knew
about
ethereum,
but
didn't
really
know
about
it
in
details.
B
At
this
point
I
was
working
as
a
as
a
consultant
within
financial
technology,
so
we
started
looking
at
some
some
ethereum
projects
and
and
that's
kind
of
like
how
I
I
really
got
back
into
it
and
and
then
one
of
my
my
old
colleagues
who's.
Also
a
colleague
now
called
nadia.
She
she
manages
the
business
for
maker
in
latin
america.
She
came
to
me
one
day
and
told
me
that
you
know
she.
B
So,
a
couple
of
months
later
I
was
on
a
plane
back
home
to
denmark
moving
back
home,
and
then
I
started
so
I
would
say
like
compared
to
like,
where
I
really
got
into
it,
which
was
just
kind
of
like
very
hectic.
You
know
otc
cash
market
in
in
argentina.
To
now,
where
you
know
I
I
I
do.
Our
business
development
in
europe
has
also
helped
doing
a
lot
of
our
projects
in
asia.
So
now
it's
like
a
very
different
side
of
side
of
the
spectrum.
B
D
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
mean
I
think
for
me
personally:
it's
just
the
fact
that
you
know
you
can
sell
custody
and
you
can
democratize
access
through.
You
know
these,
like
unbiased
systems,
so
you
know,
instead
of
instead
of
you
needing
the
permission
from
someone
to
be
able
to
take
control
of
your
money
or
like
your
finances
and
your
spending,
then
you
can.
You
know
completely
it's
completely
up
to
you
right
and
it
of
course
comes
with
a
little
bit
more
responsibility.
So
you
know
there's
no,
no
one!
You
can
call
so
there's!
B
No!
No!
Dear
mom,
if
you
know
you
lose
your
keys
or
something
like
that,
but
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
it's
something
that
you
know
really
helps
a
lot
of
people
around
the
world.
So
for
me
it's
kind
of
like
the
the
ability
to
like
self-custody
and
like
to
take
control
of
your
own
assets
and
finance.
I
think
that
that's
a
that's,
an
incredible
feat.
C
Maybe
I
can
just
like
jump
on
this
and
like
it
sort
of
ties
into
what
you
say
good
stuff,
but
for
me
it's
also
immutability
for
like
one
one,
not
necessarily
use
case,
but
it
was
where
it
was
showcased.
The
best,
I
think
was
when
so
there's
a
project
called
uniswap
where
you
can
exchange
eth
with
other
20
tokens
or
in
general,
it's
like
a
decentralized
exchange
and
so
their
protocol.
C
The
infrastructure
is,
is,
as
I
said,
decentralized
and,
of
course
there
was,
I
think,
maybe
two
months
back
or
maybe
a
little
bit
longer
uni
swap
the
ui
was
geo-blocked
in
some
countries,
but
that
didn't
really
result
in
the
service
to
stop
in
those
countries.
There
was
just
because
it's
an
open
ledger
and
anybody
can
just
build
on
top
of
that.
C
There
were
just
other
people
that
built
the
ui
and
just
like
directly
plugged
into
that
that
state
of
the
chain
and
just
like
plugged
into
that
service
right
again,
so
it
it's
not
just
centralized
in
in
one
entity
that
can
operate
a
particular
service.
It
just
can
really
be
if
one
one
entity
in
that
network
is
down
that
doesn't
need,
or
it
doesn't
result
in
the
entire
service
to
stop,
but
just
someone
else
can
like
start
again
where
others
left
off.
I
thought
this
was
a
really
powerful
showcase
of
of
the
user.
Blockchain.
B
Thanks,
I
think
this
is
this
is
really
cool
as
well
right,
because
this
is
something
that
you
know,
for
example,
us
at
maker,
like
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
work
towards
and-
and
you
know,
I
believe
that
we
very
soon
there.
If
not
already,
is
that
you
know,
even
if
the
entire
team
disappeared
tomorrow,
then
maker
would
still
exist
and
it
would
still
be
as
strong
as
it
is
now
right,
that's
kind
of
like
where
you
want
to
be.
You
know
it
shouldn't
be
dependent
on
like
individuals.
A
Okay,
next
question:
thanks
guys
a
really
good
answer
so
which
are
in
your
opinion,
they
needed
the
characteristics
of
a
project
to
succeed
in
the
space.
So
I
mean
we
see
every
day
a
lot
of
projects
popping
up
and
also
ideas
are
usually
very,
very
cool,
but
we
see
a
lot
failing.
So
why
do
you
think,
since
you
both
work
for
a
good
and
successful,
which
are
the
characteristics
in
your
opinion?
Just
mention
three
characteristics,
each.
B
That
is
that
a
lot
of
projects
they
they
don't
initially
for
like
quite
a
while
hire
business
people.
So
of
course,
like
me
and
leo,
we
also
have
to
comment
on
this
right
because
we
are
business
people
ourselves,
but
but
I
think,
like
a
lot
of
projects
like
if
you
have
someone
who
actually
understands
how
to
you
know,
develop
a
sound
business
strategy
and
how,
to
you
know,
form
and
shape
your
products,
so
it
actually
suits
business
needs.
B
B
The
first
one
took
quite
quite
a
bit
up
so
like
I
think
I
think,
like
the
the
second
point,
I'm
just
gonna
give
two
two
then
the
second
one
is-
and
I
think,
there's
also
like
a
tendency
in
the
space
to
kind
of
like
build
cool
stuff,
so
which
is
great
right.
I
mean
there's
like
a
lot
of
very
cool
projects,
but
I
don't
believe
that
a
lot
of
the
projects
they
start
from
like
oh,
we
want
to
make
this
a
business
right.
You
know
we
we
want
to.
B
You
know
we
just
want
to
make
this,
because
we
think
this
is
a
cool
concept
like
there's
a
lot
of
like
people
who,
like
theorize
about
you,
know
cool
concepts
and
things
where
it
like
in
the
traditional
world.
You
know
like.
Why
would
you
create
a
startup
if
it's
not
to
make
it
a
successful
business?
You
don't
just
do
something
because
it's
cool,
but
I
think
that's
a
tendency.
We
see
a
little
bit
in
the
space.
C
I
think
I
agree
with
gooseberry,
I
think,
for
our
project.
I
think
we're
a
lot
more
use
case
driven,
so
we
are
we're
on
the
on
the
intersection
of
like
bridging
traditional
fintechs
to
d5,
so
those
who
seek
to
get
finance
and
maybe
have
trouble
getting
them
in
with
like
the
prevalent
financial
institutions
that
dfi
can
really
be
an
alternative
source
for
them.
So
we
really
need
to
listen
to
what
their
use
like
what
their
needs
actually
are,
and
that
can
be
sometimes
a
lot
more
sober
than
the
flashy
d5.
C
Space
sometimes
tends
to
focus
on
so
not
losing
track
of
that.
What
you're
building
actually
will
cater
to
the
needs
of
those
who
are
supposed
to
use
it,
and
maybe
because
you
mentioned
other
things
already
good
stuff,
so
maybe
I
can
focus
on
actually
the
onboarding
process
like
when
I
talk
to
a
small
to
medium
sized
business
that
actually
want
to
use
web3
or
like
the
device
space.
It's
sometimes
we
really
lose
them
at
metamask,
so
it
can
be.
C
A
A
A
A
B
C
C
A
lot
easier
like
the
emergence
of
social
media
and
the
likes
of
facebook,
etc,
came
up.
So
it's
really
like
a
front
end.
Two
eight
years
old
on
the
same
front,
end
yeah.
So
it
was
really
like
a
revolution
of
like
what
we
see
in
our
computers
and
how
we
can
interact
with
people.
But
if
we,
for
example,
take
the
facebook
example
as
yeah.
C
If
we
look
at
facebook,
for
example,
I
still
have
to
like-
I
still
have
to
trust
that
the
information
that
I
get
or
the
the
data,
also
that
I
send
is,
is
actually
the
one
that
that
comes
out
in
the
end
to
good
stuff
so,
and
the
the
data
streams
are
really
just
like
centralized
through
specific
or
like
certain
entities.
So
so.
C
I
lose
connection
to
my
network
and,
for
example,
me
as
an
individual.
Maybe
I
can
wait
for
a
couple
of
days
to
to
talk
to
gustaf,
but,
for
example,
if
I
have
a
business
and
I
sell
on
facebook,
that
might
become
a
problem,
so
I
I'm
completely
dependent
on
this
one
server
and
what's
also
bad,
is
that
I
don't
own
the
data
that
I
create
on
there.
C
So
whenever
I
I
interact
on
web
2.0,
a
copy
of
my
data
is
always
stored
in
decentralized
servers,
and
I
can't
necessarily
I
don't
know
what's
stored
and
I
don't
know-
and
I
can
even
access
the
data-
that's
stored
there
and
others
actually
monetize
it.
So
facebook
can
earn
money
with
with
the
data
that
I
create
and
with
web
web
3.
It's
it's
not
necessarily
a
revolution,
maybe
for
like
from
the
front-end
perspective,
but
more
in
the
back-end
perspective,
so
the
architecture
is
a
lot
different.
C
So,
instead
of
just
relying
on
this
one
centralized
server,
I
have
a
network
of
computers
that
all
have
the
same
sort
of
copy
of
history
of
transactions
that
christoph
and
I
created,
for
example,
and
everybody
whenever
something
is
changed
or
whenever
there's
an
update
to
the
data
and
everybody
has
to
validate
so
everybody
sort
of
has
to
say.
Okay
and
then
everybody
operates
on
the
same
on
the
same
single
source
of
truth
and
for
example,
if
I'm
a
server
and
go
several
servers,
gustav
is
down,
it
doesn't
matter,
it
can
still
continue.
C
B
A
B
B
I'm
not
a
personal
believer
in
in
you
know:
web
3.0
completely
overtaking
web
2.0.
I
think
there's
still
like
a
lot
of
services.
That
is
completely
fine
to
be
centralized,
but
I
believe
that
the
impact
for
the
people
who
really
need
web
3.0.
I
believe
that
the
impact
of
it
will
be
as
big
as
web.
2.0
has
been.
You
know
where
it
has
web
2.0,
really
democratized
the
access
to
information
right.
B
All
of
a
sudden,
you
didn't
have
to
be
you
know,
studying
in
a
university
or
go
to
like
a
library
in
a
developed
country
to
get
the
information
that
you
needed.
However,
in
in
in
some
places
of
course,
it
had
like
a
much
larger
impact
than
others,
but
for
everyone
in
general
had
a
massive
impact
right.
I
think
web
3.0
will
do
the
same
way
when
it
democratizes
access
to
finance
and
assets,
and
this
will
also
have
like
the
greatest
impact
in
countries
where
these
things
aren't
accessible
already
right.
B
So
I
I
don't
think
that
we
will
see
like
web
3.0,
necessarily
overtaking
2.0.
I
think
we're
very
far
away
from
the
touristic
full
potential
of
the
space
we
are
working
in,
but
I
do
believe
that
the
impact
for
the
people
who
really
needs
it
will
will
be
just
as
big
as
as
2.0
has
been,
for
the
people
who
needed.
A
B
Yeah
in
your
current
role
at
centrifuge,
this
is
a
question
for
both
of
us
by
the
way.
So
after
you
answered
in
our
answer,
what
is
the
biggest
challenge
you
feel
like
you
have
faced
so
far,
and
if
you
don't
have
anything
that
like
completely
stands
out,
then
what
would
be
like
one
of
the
first
major
challenges?
You
know
just
something
that
you
went
through.
That
was
a
hardship.
C
D
C
So
there
are
just
like
some
components
that
we
thought
we
don't
have
to
build
out
ourselves.
For
example,
I
mentioned
dharma
earlier
they
were
going
down
a
similar
route
where
we
were
thinking.
Maybe
we
can
collaborate
there
and,
and
then
we
end
up
actually
taking
more
time.
So
with
diva,
we
really
were
betting
on
the
composability
of
the
ecosystem,
and
some
of
it
turned
out
that
we
have
to
build
ourselves
which,
like
then
like
maybe
have
some
delays
or
then
also.
We
are
not
necessarily
focused
our
protocol.
C
Is
we
really
want
to
be
the
infrastructure,
so
the
bridge
between
those
different
entities
and
are
not
necessarily
end
user
focus?
So
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
build
out
a
ui
but,
as
I
said
earlier,
to
really
get
a
critical
master
first
on
board,
there's
a
lot
of
hand
holding
involved
and
that
at
times
has
been
tricky.
C
B
Yeah
yeah,
I'm
I'm
gonna,
take
mine,
I
think
from
like
a
a
little
bit
more
of
like
a
personal
perspective,
and
you
know
it
definitely
has
been
like
a
lot
of
challenges.
But
but
I
remember
so
just
just
when
I
when
I
started
out
at
maker,
you
know
I
was
still
living
in
argentina
at
this
point
and
then
I
moved
back
to
to
denmark
in
in
2018
of
december
2018.
B
So
so
I
just
remember,
you
know.
I
think
that
this
this
is
like
a
space
where
you
like
very
easily
can
like
get
thrown
into
the
deep
end.
Fortunately,
that's
something
that
I
I
thrive
under
and
I
really
enjoy
that
kind
of
like
pressure,
but
also
remember
it
was.
It
was
like
a
challenge
for
me
and
you
know
I,
I
don't
think
I've
been
that
nervous.
You
know
in
years
you
know
it's
been.
You
know,
I
think,
an
exam
in
high
school
or
something
the
last
time.
B
I
I
I
felt
like
that,
so
I
could
really
feel
that
you
know
that
was
something
that
you
know
like
the
the
the
pressure
of
being
around
so
many
smart
people
and
having
so
many
smart
people
listening
to
what
you're,
saying
and
kind
of
like
wanting
to
give
it
your
best.
I
think
that
was
like
a
something
that
I
saw
was
like
a
very
positive
challenge.
C
And
I
think
it's
also
maybe
not
directly
tied
into
our
work
specifically,
but
maybe
more
product
related.
I
think
also,
the
approach
of
building
a
product
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
mean,
like
I
know,
for
example,
I
know
that
maker
evolved
and
with
like
introducing
mcd,
for
example
the
product
change,
but
you
need
to
be,
it
seems
like
there
are
so
many
more
checklists
or
like
checks
that
you
have
to
go
under
that
you
have
to
undergo
before
you
put
something
out
on
mainnet
into
the.
C
Yeah,
because
exactly
because
like
if,
if
you're
setting,
if
you're
putting
out
something
that
has
an
exploit,
you
can
be
sure
that
it
will
be
exploited
and
it
can
get
really
expensive
and
and
it's
very
hard
to
to
change,
and
it
gets
very
hard
to
take
something
back.
So
I
mean
we
just
recently
had
our
launch,
and
it
is
just
it
can
be
very
tense.
B
Yeah,
you
know
it's
like
if
you
launch
a
web
shop-
and
you
know
accidentally,
you
put
up
these
like
100
euro
products,
they
cost
100
cents
and
people
start
buying
it.
You
know
these
people
have
acted
in
bad
faith
and
you
know
you
don't
actually
have
to
ship
them
the
products,
but
in
the
crypto
spaces
you,
if
you
send
something
for
like
10
cents
on
the
dollar.
B
Well,
that's
too
bad!
I
mean
now
someone
else
has
it.
You
know
it's
it's
impossible
to
take
these
actions
back,
so
you
really
need
to
be
like
100
sure
that
the
product
is
working.
But
that
is
something
you
can
never
really
be
right.
You
can
never
really
be
100
sure,
because
what
if
someone
who
is
smarter
than
you
takes
a
look
at
it
and
see
something
that
you
didn't?
B
A
Oh,
my
god,
okay,
so
I
was.
I
was
thinking
that
before
we
asked
request,
we
answer
questions
from
the
audience
we
can
like
jump
in
the
last
part
and
then
we
can.
If
the
audience
have
some
questions
we
will
have,
we
will
get
them
answered.
We
already
have
a
question
from
jesus,
so
the
last
part
is
some
recommendations
you
want
to
give
to
both
the
new
commerce
and
also
to
the
the
the
people
and
the
projects
already
operating
in
the
space
so
which
which
recommendations?
B
Okay,
so
so
leah
before
we
go
into
questions
from
the
audience
we
we
have
to
give
our
take
on
recommendations
both
for
people
looking
to
get
into
the
space
so
kind
of
like
the
newcomer
type.
You
know,
I
think
this
is
interesting.
I
want
to
work
more
with
it
and
also
from
like
people
already
like
you
know,
having
projects
in
the
space.
If
there's
something
that
you
know,
we
we
feel
like
we
can.
B
C
So
you
start
okay,
then
I
started,
and
so
I
think
it
ties
into
each
other
because,
like
I
feel
like
when
you
press
enters
because
when
you
first
enter
the
space,
it's
so
much
information,
that's
available
there
and
it's
such
a
fast-paced
environment
and
like
one
thing,
it's
like
really
what
I
urge
like
those
who
are
in
the
space
to
make
information
accessible
and
to
you
know
it's
lame
but
like
to
use
proper
documentation.
Actually
maker
is
really
good
at
it.
There's
a
lot
of
resources
out
there.
C
Some
of
the
language
maker
is
confusing
the
flopper
flipper
flap
auctions,
but
anyway,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
acronyms
in
this
space
which
can
make
accessibility
something
really
difficult.
So
I
would
say,
actually
really
take
the
time
to
make
sure
that
what
you're
doing
it's
everything's
open
source
that,
because
it's
open
source,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
it's
really
accessible,
so
spend
some
time
on
documentation,
information,
tutorials
and
links
and
yeah
talk
to
newcomers,
help
newcomers.
B
B
I
call
them
like
pay
to
speak
conferences
where
you
know
people
go
in
and
they
give
you
know
these.
You
know
like
commercial
presentations
about
their
products.
I
don't
really
like
those.
I
really
like
the
ones
that
you
know,
for
example
like
the
ones
that,
like
the
ethereum
foundation,
is
holding
the
heck
up,
the
hackathons
there's
also
tons
of
presentations.
B
There's
always
you
know
some
kind
of
like
track.
You
call
it.
You
know
like
an
event
track
like
a
presentation
track
that
does
isn't
necessarily
overly
technical,
but
it's
more
about
like
some
of
the
business
things.
So
you
know
even
at
these
developer
conferences.
You
know
you
also
see
leah
and
I
on
this
stage,
and
you
know
yeah,
we
might
use
some
some.
B
You
know,
lingua,
that
that
you
might
not
be
familiar
with
because
we
use
some
some
names
like
some
terms
that
you
haven't
learned
yet,
but
but
it
isn't
like
very
technical.
So
I
would
definitely
recommend
things
you
know
such
as
like
defcon
hcc
in
paris
is
awesome
in
february
every
year,
and
then
you
know
like
just
like
the
different
east
hackathons
around
the
world.
You
know
they
have
been
everywhere
from
you
know:
singapore
to
india
to
south.
B
Yeah
all
over
the
world,
so
I
would
recommend
people,
you
know
engaging
there,
but
and
also
you
know,
everyone
is
super
open
and
friendly.
So
you
know,
even
if
you
come
up
to
someone
you
know
who
is
coming
from
like
an
established
project
or
something
you
know,
everyone
will
be
very
happy
to
take
five
minutes
out
of
their
agenda
and
take
a
chat
and
so
on.
B
C
Say
just
like
really
trying
things
out
like
one
minute
and
just
like
really
simple,
like
create
a
web
wallet
and
then
just
like
use
some
things
like
there
there's
the
bounties
network
that,
like
incentivizes
to
like
just
try
out
different
projects
and
work
on
them.
So
I
think
you
learn
the
most
with
that.
A
A
A
C
I
mean
I
think
april,
it
might
be
a
little
bit
of
both,
so
I
mean
like,
if
you
look
at
facebook,
for
example,
they
they
launched
a
libra
alliance
or
their
libra
initiative,
where
they
want
to
bring
like
a
crypto
payment
service
to
all
their
users.
I
mean
this
is
quite
powerful
because
they
just
have
like
how
many
users
does
facebook
have
two
billion,
so
it
like.
It
would
be
amazing.
It
would
be
super
powerful
with
adoption,
but
like
also
looking
here.
C
It's
like
it's
not
necessarily
like
the
the
way
they
set
it
up.
Is
it's
not
as
open
as
as
ethereum
as
like
the
blockchain
that
we're
working
on?
So
I
think
the
takes
that
they
might
have
is
still
like
a
way
to
best
monetize
it
and
not
as
open
as
as
the
space
that
we're
working
on.
So
I
would
rather
say
that
they
might
more
com
peep
with
it
or
have
a
different
version
of
it.
B
However,
I
think
one
thing
that
is
really
good
is:
is
that,
since
a
lot
of
this
stuff
here
is,
is
you
know
programmable
and
you
know
compatible
with
each
other?
That
means
you
know.
Let's
say
that
facebook
they
would
integrate.
You
know
everywhere,
then
we
would
actually
have
like
a
very,
very
easy
way
to
go
in
and
make
dye
available
in
all
of
those
places
as
well
right
like
whenever
you
kind
of
like
open
the
faucet
for
like
one
thing
in
this
space,
then
it's
very
difficult
for
them
to
go
in
control.
A
C
That
is
on
that
ship,
for
example,
and
oftentimes.
This
piece
of
paper
has
to
be
shipped
or
it
has
to
like
separately.
It
has
to
be
physically
flying
from
on
a
plane,
for
example
from
point
a
to
point
b.
So
a
person
can
hand
over
it
to
another
person,
and
this
is
an
industry
which
is
in
desperate
need.
C
Also
for
digitalization,
but
because
this
paper
is
so
important,
it
will
be
important
to
have
a
way
to
like
uniquely
verify
that
a
specific
person,
for
example,
signed
that
piece
of
paper,
and
it
cannot
be
changed,
for
example,
or
it
cannot
easily
be
forged
and,
for
example,
blockchain
could
help
with
this.
You
can
just
like
cryptograph
like
attach
a
cryptographic
signature
to
a
piece
of
paper,
for
example
that
cannot
just
be
altered
by
anyone.
B
So
you
also
want
something
which
you
know
has
reached
a
point
where
it
can
actually
scale
with
these
things
and
where
you
can
do
a
lot
of
transactions
without
having
to
think
about.
You
know
it's
going
to
cost
you
like
money,
especially
because,
where
some
of
these
countries,
where
these
things
will
be
solved,
is
emerging
markets.
B
Where
you
don't
have
you
know
the
money
to
spend
like
20,
20
cents
or
something
or
a
couple
of
bucks
on
like
gas
cost
right,
but
but
there's
like
so
many
things
that
they
can
help
with,
especially
when
it's
whenever
it's
like
something,
you
know
like
important.
You
know
data.
You
want
to
be
unmuted
immutable.
A
B
Just
want
to
note
here
that
both
lee
and
I
will
just
write
our
contact
information
in
chat.
So
if
any
of
you
guys
want
to
reach
out
to
us,
if
you
have
any
questions
or
if
you
kind
of
like
want
to
follow
the
progress
we
have,
then
you
can
follow
us
on
on
twitter
or
reach
out
to
us
on
telegram
or
linkedin.
A
A
Series
of
meet
ups
is
open
to
everybody
to
everybody
in
in
the
community,
so
everybody
who
wants
to
be
a
guest
here
can
apply.
If
you
follow
our
channels,
telegram,
twitter,
facebook
or
my
linkedin,
you
can
and
my
telegram
my
twitter
as
well.
You
will
see
the
link
to
apply
and,
and
also
now
I
will
show
you
some
link
useful
links
in
the
meantime.
A
Okay,
so
here
you
see
the
maker.com,
which
is
our
website
where
you
can
find
every
information
you
need.
We
just
now
implemented
the
the
maker,
the
community
landing
page,
where
you
can
find
all
the
information
you
need,
the
blog
and
the
forum
and
the
and
then
always
is
that
app,
which
is
our
app.
Where
you
can
manage
your
your
die,
I
think
natalie
should
be
ready
now.
A
D
Cool,
thank
you.
Hi.
Everyone
happy
friday.
Thank
you
once
again
for
joining
the
chat.
We
hope
you
enjoyed
our
first
friday
brunch
as
mayor
introduced
me.
I
look
after
recruitment
here
at
maker
being
based
up
in
manchester
in
england
remotely
so
I
thought
I'd
just
quickly
jump
on
the
end
with
a
bit
of
a
shameless
plug.
As
you
know,
we're
always
looking
to
grow
our
teams
across
the
board
here.
D
So
at
the
moment
to
give
you
a
bit
of
an
idea
we're
looking
specifically
in
europe
and
to
hire
across
tech,
so
anything
from
back-end
engineers,
front-end
engineers
full
stack,
devops,
we're
also
looking
to
hire
content
writers
as
well.
So
I'd
love
to
connect
with
all
of
you,
either
on
linkedin
or
I'll
ping.
My
details
on
the
chat
as
well.
D
You
know
if
you
want
to
send
me
a
resume
and
share
it
with
your
network,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
what
it's
actually
like
to
work
at
maker,
the
interview
process.
You
know
what
it's
like
to
work
remotely
with
us
and
anything
else,
really
so
yeah.
I
look
forward
to
talk
with
you,
I'm
happy
to
talk
in
more
detail
and
share
the
job
postings
on
here
as
well,
and,
if
there's
anything
that
you
guys
might
be
interested
in
cool.
Thank
you.