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From YouTube: FriDAI Brunch n5: Digital Art Immersion
Description
Digital Art and Crypto Collectibles are the new trends in the Art space. During this hour together, we had the chance to find out more and to learn tips from some experts working in this shining and growing field.
Speakers:
Kate Vass - CEO & owner Kate Vass Galerie
Serena Tabacchi - CEO at Museum Of Contemporary Digital Art
Artur Sychov- CEO at Somnium Space
B
B
Perfect
thanks
miguel.
So,
basically,
today
we
are
talking
about
a
very
new
topic,
which
is
I
mean,
the
the
form
around
the
crypto
and
digital
art
and
nft
as
really
brought
a
boost
lately.
Also
due
to
the
kovid,
as
we
were
saying
with
the
artur
artur,
as
you
can
see,
is
an
avatar
here,
so
he
is
showing.
B
C
B
Yeah
he's
showing
other
amazing
amazing
spaces
some
new
space,
but
I
would,
since
we
have
just
a
one
hour,
and
we
have
three
amazing
panelists
today
we
I
I
would
start
straight
for
straight
away,
so
I
would
like
to
intro
to
to
let
our
guests
introduce
themselves,
so
we
can
start
from
kate,
maybe
and
guys.
I
will
mute
you
in
the
meantime.
So
if
you
have
to
cough
or
to
sneeze,
you
can.
B
E
D
D
E
B
B
Wait,
I
don't
know,
what's
happening
now,
okay,
so
I
think
serena
we
can
start
from
you.
So
if
you
can
introduce
yourself
a
bit
and
maybe
also
tell
us
what
like,
besides
what
you
do
every
day,
also
what
you
I
mean,
what
inspires
you
in
the
in
your
everyday
life,
and
I
mean
why
you
are
doing
this
in
the
end
right.
A
C
E
C
D
E
C
D
A
A
C
A
We'll
need
a
cup
of
coffee
after
this.
Yes,
what
I
was
saying
is
that
what
inspires
me
every
day
is
the
wonderful
community
that
we've
grown
over
the
past
few
years
within
the
crypto
art
space,
and
I
was
also
referring
to
my
background.
So
I've
been
in
the
art
space
for
about
three
years
now,
so
I
joined
tate
over
tate,
modern
and
tape.
Britain
and
my
role
there
has
been
about
working
with
artists
and
developing
limited
editions
and
products
with
them
and
letting
them
meet
in
their
audience.
A
So
with
that
idea
in
mind,
I
founded
makda,
which
is
a
museum
of
contemporary
digital
art
about
two
years
ago,
alongside
a
wonderful
team
of
curators
and
co-founders,
and
what
inspires
me,
you
marie
asked
me
what
gets
me
up
in
the
morning
and
sort
of
brings.
My
inspiration
to
the
space
is
about
seeing
art
that
really
conveys
a
message
to
me
and
is
meaningful,
and
I
would
love
to
share
those
experiences
with
the
audience.
B
E
B
D
D
I
feel
a
little
bit
outdated
that
you
know
arthur
is
over
there
in
the
virtual
space,
and
we
are
kind
of
you
know
even
having
a
trouble
to
communicate
to
to
showcase
our
presentation.
We
are
not
so
outdated,
you
know,
so
I
run
a
art
gallery
and
I
am
an
advisory
board
of
contemporary
and
digital
art,
fair,
cut
off
and
also
a
member
of
disruption,
disciples,
which
is
a
movement
here
as
a
subsidiary
of
pivx.
D
Also,
I
mean,
I
guess,
I'm
also
a
co-founder
and
and
active
member
of
art
and
tech
association,
switzerland,
and
I
think
my
involvement
in
art
has
been
since
the
last
10
years
or
even
more.
I
got
involved
as
a
collector
and
I
got
very
much
interested
in
contemporary
art
and
in
in
general
art,
because
for
me,
art
is
not
only
limited
to
paintings
or
or
sculptures
it's
for
me.
It's
everything.
It's
music,
it's
theater!
It's
it's
architecture,
it's
everything
all
together.
D
Therefore,
my
interest
was
always
in
this.
More
kind
of
cultural
field-
and
I
have
built
my
collection
and
I've,
been
traveling
a
lot
and
I've
been
participating
in
all
the
big
fairs
and
talking
to
all
the
galleries
and
curators,
and
at
some
point
I
got
so
bored
and
I
was
like.
Oh
my
god,
you
know,
I
see
the
same
thing
all
over
again.
It's
a
repetition
of
one
another
and
there's
no
really
a
new
fresh
things.
D
You
know
that
I
I
wish
to
travel,
so
I
kind
of
you
know
lost
this
motivation
even
to
go
to
the
fair,
because
everything
became
repetitive
and
at
some
point
I
said.
Okay,
if
I
were
a
gallery,
what
would
I
do
differently?
You
know,
because
by
looking
at
also
other
galleries,
you
know
I
became
quite
interested.
Why
they're
doing
this
and
not
the
other,
why
they
are
not
really
supporting
the
artists
but
actually
commodifying
the
artist.
D
You
know
why
the
transparency
about
the
prices
and
the
transparency
about
the
market
is
always
a
big
mystery.
You
know
and-
and
everything
is
just
so
difficult
and
you
have
to
be
kind
of
included.
You
know
in
some
side
of
society.
You
know
like,
and
if
you
walk
to
the
gallery,
you
have
to
feel
so
much
intimidated
and
if
you
don't
know
some
kind
of
emerging
artist
which
is
hanging
on
there
on
the
walls
in
this
kind
of
white
cube
space.
That's
it.
D
You
know
like
you
are
irrelevant
all
of
a
sudden,
and
I
thought
like
hello.
This
is
not.
This
is
not
the
case.
This
is
different,
the
gallery,
the
purpose
of
a
gallery
from
the
very
beginning.
If
you
look
at
the
description
supposed
to
to
serve
the
audience,
you
know
to
serve
the
same
purpose
as
a
museum.
Actually,
you
know
the
more
the
merrier
to
show
the
art
and
to
get
an
education
towards
their
degeneration
to
a
potential
collectors.
It's
not
only
about
being
exclusive.
D
You
know
in
sort
of
way
where
you
only
show
this
to
a
particular
audience,
but
you
are
not
showing
it
to
another
audience.
You
know-
and
I
think
a
new
generation
of
collectors-
and
this
is
our
focus-
is
it's
very
important-
that
the
transparency
is
there,
that
we
communicate
that
there
is
a
conversation
between
the
galleries,
the
museum,
you
know,
and
there
is
a
a
sort
of
interaction
between
one
another
and
that
they
can
ask
any
question
and
they
feel
they
feel
welcome.
D
B
Awesome
really,
I
I
love
it.
I
can't
wait
to
to
be
in
the
in
your
in
one
of
your
expositions
as
well
from
mocta
serena,
so
I
I'm
waiting
for
the
invite
in
italy,
because
I
can't
move
so
much.
You
know,
but
yeah
and
now
I
want
to
hear
about
artur
because,
as
you
can
guys
see,
it's
crazy
he's
he's
talking
as
from
the
somnia
space,
which
is
a
virtual
reality,
and
he
he
is
this
guy
there
with
the
yeah
that
tell
us
more
about
your
job.
C
Yeah,
hello,
so
I
guess
I
have
one
of
the
best
jobs
in
the
world,
so
I'm
arthur
I'm
a
founder
and
ceo
of
some
new
space,
a
virtual
reality
platform.
We
are
a
an
open,
persistent
vr
platform
which
is
built
on
blockchain,
and
you
know
we
allow
we
build
tools
for
people
to
express
themselves.
If
I
can,
you
know
briefly
describe
what
we
do
is
we
allow
creators
we
allow
people
to
live
inside
the
vr
world
and
do
whatever
they
want.
C
If
you're
an
artist,
you
do
an
art
gallery.
If
you
are,
you
know
just
a
person,
you
can
just
meet
with
people
and
go
to
live
concerts
or
walk
around
and
enjoy
the
space.
You
know
just
have
some
calm
moments,
if
you're
an
avatar
creator,
you
can
create
this
and
then
tokenize
it
on
blockchain
directly
from
our
client
and
sell
it
on
the
market
and
you
know,
earn
the
living.
C
So
our
idea
is
to
kind
of
open
the
borders
for
everyone
to
exist
in
one
persistent
vr
world,
where
economy
is,
of
course
based
on
the
blockchain,
because
blockchain
brings
so
many
different
use
cases
and
better
or
better
use
cases
for
into
the
into
the
place
like
the
centralization
real
ownership
of
items
and
stuff
like
that.
So
we
try
to
allow
everyone
to
be
themselves,
be
creative
and
we
try
to
give
people
an
ability
to
make
a
living
and,
of
course,
we're
a
virtual
reality
world.
First.
C
That
means
that
we
believe
that
the
future
of
human
communication
is
in
vr,
and
you
know
we
are
highly
immersive
environment,
so
you
know
for
you,
it
looks
nice,
I
guess.
But
for
me
it
looks
amazingly
immersive,
so
I'm
here
I
see
those
ceilings.
You
know
those
art
pieces
which,
by
the
way,
it's
my
collection,
so
nothing
special,
of
course,
but
great
art
pieces
which
I
like
yeah.
So
we
try
to
allow
people
to
be
themselves
and
exist
inside
virtual
reality.
B
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
three
amazing
guests,
doing
three
different
kind
of
jobs
in
in
the
in
the
digital
art
field
in
the
crypto
art
field.
So
I
will
ask
you
another
quick:
try
to
keep
it
quick
before
starting
the
final
questions,
icebreaker
question
so
which
was
the
your
very
first
strong
experience
with
with
crypto
art
with
the
with
digital
art
you're,
like
the
name
epiphany,
you
know,
so
we
can
start
again
from
serena.
Maybe.
A
A
And
what
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
I
have
worked
so
much
for
women
artists
to
have
a
presence
in
the
crypto
art
space,
and
I
think
it's
so
important
so
having
those
experiences
me
personally
sort
of
opened
my
eyes
on
the
fact
that
there's
sometimes
less
visibility
on
women,
artists
or
also
to
artists
that
come
from
different
parts
of
the
world.
So
we
are
so
used
that
the
art
world
is
dominated
by
male
y
artist,
which
often
has
been
the
case
for
so
many
past
years
and
how
this
is
actually
shifting.
A
A
So
the
crypto
art
space
really
gave
us
this
opportunity
of
looking
at
the
wider
range
of
artists
that
we
have
out
there
and
giving
equal
opportunities
to
everybody.
So
that,
for
me,
was
a
special
occasion,
and
so
I
also
wanted
to
address
a
quick
question
from
paul
who's
watching
live,
and
that
is
asking
what's
my
relationship
with
the
tate.
So
I
also
work
at
tate-
and
I
found
it
marked
about
two
years
ago
and
I'm
running
it
as
a
ceo
now,
alongside
wonderful
cool
founders
and
curators.
So
it's
a
personal
relationship.
A
So
I
keep
their
relationship
with
eight
and
we
did
an
event
last
year
for
a
late
presenting
robbie,
barrett
and
dada
art
project
during
a
take
late,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
forward
your
link
to
learn
more
about
that
event.
We
added
the
date.
So
yes,
thank
you,
maria
for
the
question
I'll
pass
it
back
to
you.
B
D
So
if
I
go
back
10
years
ago,
you
know
what
fascinated
me
back
and
10
years
ago
I
mean
something
still
still
has
the
same
influence,
but
every
time
it's
something
new.
You
know
like,
for
example,
if
we
look
at
the
virtual
reality,
some
new
space
project,
you
know
of
how
you
can
experience
arts
within
the
vr.
D
D
D
Art
you
know
there
are
many
many
other
movements
like
kinetic
arts,
conceptual
art
dada.
You
know
which
influenced
a
lot,
our
digital
contemporary
art.
You
know,
and
if
we
look
back
at
those
guys,
you
know
who've
been
trying
to
create
something,
so
wonderful
and
and
so
philosophical
back
at
the
time.
That
fascinates
me
a
lot,
because
we
didn't
have
any
tech
opportunities
back
at
the
time
and
with
every
little
single
development
of
of
technology,
they
were
trying
to
get
the
best
out
of
it.
You
know
I.
E
B
E
C
Perfect
so
I
mean
I
know
exactly
what
was
my
first
exposure
to
digital
crypto
art.
It's
because
almost
exactly
one
year
ago,
we're
at
somnium
space.
We
ran
our
initial
and
offering
and
to
with
that,
we
also
partnered
with
known
origin,
and
we
asked
several
creators
several
artists
to
create
five
unique
pieces.
C
Art
pieces
for
that
occasion,
for
you
know
for
the
launch
of
our
virtual
reality,
land
sale
and
they
created
those
five
pieces,
and
one
of
them
was
an
amazing
piece
of
evinci,
the
virtual
crater-
and
you
know
we
auctioned
those
pieces
and
I
loved
that
piece.
So
much
that
I
just
bought
it
myself.
That's
why
it's
in
my
gallery-
and
that
was
my
first
real
exposure
to
blockchain
art
and
you
know.
Since
then.
C
I
don't
consider
myself
a
huge
art,
blockchain
art
collector
in
terms
of
the
money-wise,
but
I
always
try
to
see
some
nice
artists
and
some
nice
art
and
if
I
like,
the
art
I'll
just
buy
it
and
hang
in
my
gallery-
and
you
know
here
we
are-
I
have
already-
maybe
I
don't
know-
25
art
pieces
which
I
really
like
and
yeah.
But
that
was
the
first
one
and
I
still
love
it
and
it's
beautiful.
B
It's
awesome
thanks
arthur,
but
now
I
will
start
with
the
like
going
a
bit
beyond
your
own
experience,
because
I
want
also
to
educate
a
bit
our
audience.
Maybe
no,
no,
not
everyone
knows
exactly
what
we
are
talking
about
here,
so
I
will
ask
you
serena
to
which
is
serena
because
she's
italian,
but
I
pronounce
it
in
an
english
way
and
what
actually
is
the
digital
art
and
crypto
art?
How
would
you
define
this
concept
because
it's
not
easy
actually
to
understand
what
it
is.
B
A
You
gave
me
a
difficult
one-
maria,
but
yes
I'll-
try
to
make
it
easy
as
easy
as
possible
for
everyone
to
understand
so
for
what
concern
digital
art.
My
personal
definition
of
that
I
would
consider
digital
art
any
artwork
that
has
a
digital
element
as
part
of
the
creative
process,
meaning
that
this
could
be
also
physical
and
not
fully
digital.
But
at
least
it
does
include
a
digital
element
as
part
of
the
creative
process
as
part
as
the
of
the
rendering
process.
A
So
what
we
actually
see
as
the
final
outcome,
and
that's
my
more
personal
definition,
I
would
say
for
what
concerns
crypto
art.
Instead,
I
would
say
that
these
is
the
way
art
is
stored
on
the
blockchain
and,
when
I
say,
stored,
we're
not
talking
about
storage
of
the
actual
artwork,
but
it's
about
the
provenance
and
authenticity
that
can
be
traced
in
a
transparent
way
on
a
ledger
on
a
public
ledger
which
is
the
blockchain.
A
B
E
B
Open
and
welcomed
in
their
questions
in
their
like
that,
and
this
is
something
that
maybe
can
be
defined
as
the
advantages
of
a
blockchain
art,
so
adding
the
art
on
the
blockchain.
So
if
you,
I
know
that
you
work
a
lot
with
the
with
openc,
for
example,
and
I
want
to
ask
you
why,
in
your
opinion,
blockchain
is
a
beneficial
for
art,
how
blockchain
helps
art
and
the
diffusion
daily.
Fusion
of
you
know.
D
We
operate
and
have
marketplace
for
both
traditional
and
cryptocollectors,
so
we
are
kind
of
an
intersection
of
both
and
trying
to
educate
both
parts.
You
know
why
traditional
is
still
relevant
and
why
crypto
is
something
which
can
be
helpful,
also
to
have
a
look
at
and
why
you
know
this
is
becoming
so
important
and
and
and
relevant.
D
D
Usually
these
contracts
are
done
with
ethereum
721,
and
this
is
usually
ethereum
based
things
you
know
so
art
sectors
is
they
are
operating
with
this
there's
a
non-fungible
tokens,
it's
called
and
they
are
using
ethereum.
There
is
no
bitcoin
base,
you
know
just
for
people
who
don't
have
any
knowledge
to
understand
how
it
works.
D
Then
these
platforms
were
meant
to
democratize
the
market
and
to
allow
the
more
artists
to
enter
the
space
and
be
able
to
sell
the
art
directly
and
to
reach
out
to
the
broader
audience
of
collectors
or
potential
collectors
in
order
to
sell
their
works
and
to
avoid
the
middleman
or
middle
woman.
Like
me,
and
here
again
the
big
question
comes.
Why
me
comes
you
know
again
to
the
space
and
say:
hey
hello,
you
forgot
the
gallery.
You
know,
I
guess.
D
The
reason
why
we
still
exist
is
because
art
is
a
complex
thing
and
yes,
there
are
many
many
possibilities,
and
I
really
love
that
there
are
many
artists.
You
know
who
became
to
have
this
opportunity
you
know
to
to
to
show
the
arts,
because
some
of
them
they
don't
have
an
opportunity
to
be
represented
by
the
gallery
or
to
be
represented
by
the
dealer
or
to
enter
to
the
museum,
show
or
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
D
So
I
I
really
like
the
idea
that
you
know
there
are
many
artists
and
it's
also
convenient
for
the
galleries
to
have
a
look.
You
know
open
these
blockchain
platforms
and
see
all
the
spectra
of
completely
different
artists
for
from
all
parts
of
the
world
and
and
see
automatically
you
know
wow.
This
is
a
talent
or
this
is
another
talent,
and
you
know
like
it's
also
for
us
to
learn
a
new
artist.
It's
much
easier.
So
I
actually
want
to
thank
blockchain
platforms
for
that
opportunity
for
the
gallerists
as
well.
D
You
know
to
to
enable
us
to
learn
quicker.
You
know,
what's
going
on
on
all
the
parts
of
the
world
and
here
what
I've
seen
for
the
last
one
and
half
two
years.
You
know
there
was
a
huge
development
in
the
market
space
and
the
blockchain
space,
and
there
are
many
crypto
collectors
or
new
type
of
collector.
You
know
who
came
and
started
to
collect
like
artur,
for
example,
you
know
he
he
didn't
collect
the
traditional
words.
Probably
he
didn't
even
care
about
that.
D
D
D
You
will
have
absolute
record
that
this
was
minted
by
this
and
this
artist
and
this
is
the
provenance
and
this
was
belonging
to
the
artist,
and
this
is
now
belongs
to
you
and
this
this
is
done
within
the
seconds
and
it
doesn't
cost
much.
I
mean
at
least
it
didn't
cost
much.
You
know.
Guest
fees
are
a
bit
tricky
but
yeah.
So
it's
it's.
It's
helpful.
You
know
for
video,
media,
art
and
stuff
like
that,
and
when
we
come
back
to
a
question,
what
is
digital
art?
D
I
just
want
to
add
up
that
you
know
now
we
use
the
term
of
digital
art,
you
know,
but
actually
back
at
again
at
the
at
the
beginning
of
the
history.
It's
been
a
computer
art,
it's
been
multimedia
art,
you
know,
call
it
whatever,
and
now
it's
just
under
this
kind
of
all
umbrella
of
new
media
art,
where
you.
E
A
B
Guys,
if
you
can
link
at
the
end
of
the
event
all
of
these
sources
and
because
I
am
feeling
very,
very
ignorant
now
I
don't
know
about
the
audience,
but
every
time
you
mention
this
movement
I'm
like,
and
they
pretend
to
know
about
them,
so
I'm
really
interested
in
learning
more.
So
if
you
can
like
link
the
resources
to
learn
more
about
this
movement
would
be
awesome.
Thanks,
kate,
it
was
very,
very
interesting.
Your
answer,
and
I
want
to
ask
arthur
now,
so
you
are
showing
your
virtual
avatar.
B
B
C
It
into
two
questions:
how
is
the
my
real
identity
important
in
this?
Obviously,
as
the
ceo
and
founder
of
sony
space,
my
real
identity
is
known.
You
can
find
tons
of
video
conference
interviews
with
me
and
stuff,
which
is
fine,
but
if
I
say
in
general
I
can
tell
you
some
examples.
So
people
in
vr
space
they
they
do
represent
themselves
via
avatars
and
it
could
be
human
avatar
like
I
am.
It
actually
looks
kind
of
like
me,
I
don't
know,
but
it
could
also
be
something
different.
C
It
could
be
a
robot
or
a
bird
or
you
know
anything
you
can
imagine
or
just
a
flying
cloud.
You
can
be
that
and
we
have
people
who
work
for
sumnum
and
who,
or
you
know,
we
have
community
members
as
well,
whom
I
known
for
several
years,
but
I
don't
know
how
they
look
like
in
real
life.
They
they
exist
for
me
as
avatars.
I
know
them
as
avatars
in
some
new
space
and
that's
how
we
meet
that's,
how
we
talk.
So
that's
one
part
of
it.
C
We
you
know,
that's
why
virtual
world
exists.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
kind
of
connect
here
and
be
themselves
and
show
their
skills
and
utilize
their
skills,
no
matter
where
they
coming
from
who
they
are,
and
you
know
how
is
it
all
affecting
their
lives?
It
just
needs
to
be
very
kind
of
like
an
open
space
and
very
open
space
for
everyone
to
to
exist
here.
That's
one
thing:
another
thing
about
community
how
important
community
is
for
somnium
or
in
general
for
virtual
worlds.
Oh,
it's
fundamental.
C
They
cannot
be
anything
like
that.
Without
you
know,
a
vibrant
community,
which
makes
this
place
alive
right
this
everything
I'm
showing
you
was
built
by
our
community
members
like
if
you
look
kilometers
away
there,
everything
what
you
see
is
built
by
our
community
by
our
members
by
creators
by
people
who
have
their
own
imagination.
They
come
here
and
they
bring
new
ways
how
you
know
you
perceive
the
world.
C
C
B
If
you
talk
about
blockchain
art,
but
I'm
I
don't
think
so,
because
I
think
that
figures
like
you
now
is
fundamental
to
attract
the
newcomers,
because
if
you
think,
for
example,
about
my
my
brothers
or
my
mom,
they
could
never
never
go
straight
to
the
virtual
to
the
some
new
space
and
they
could
never
buy
a
virtual,
a
digital
piece
or
a
blockchain,
an
nft
without
knowing
about
it.
So,
in
my
opinion,
your
job
now
is
really
something
that
we
need
in
this.
C
B
But
now
I
I
really
think
figures
like
you
and
also
like
serena
and
the
and
the
museum
of
digital
of
contemporary
digital
art,
so
and
because,
in
the
end,
we
are
connecting
the
everyday
real
world
with
the
virtual
world
of
of
created,
for
example,
by
artur
like
sonium
and
other
virtual
space.
So
thanks
for
all
your
job,
all
of
you
guys,
but
I
want
to
ask
also
another
question
to
serena
about
always
about
community
community
about
people.
E
B
A
Yeah
sure,
thank
you
for
the
question
maria.
I
would
say
it's
easier,
it's
not
easy,
but
it's
maybe
easier
than
organizing
into
a
physical
location
simply
because
I
would
think
about
transport
and
insurance
of
physical
object
at
something
that
is
highly
costly
and
also
you
know
it
requires
a
lot
of
admin.
So
organizing
a
digital
art
exhibition
for
example,
or
reproducing
a
show
in
the
virtual
space
has
many
advantages
and
the
other
advantage
I
see,
and
that
goes
towards
you
know,
sort
of
protecting
the
environment
and
our
planet
as
well.
A
It's
about
allowing
as
many
as
possible
to
attend
an
event
without
traveling,
so
we
used
to
jump
on
a
plane
and
visit
a
gallery
or
museum,
and
that
also
meant
that
exclusivity
of
some
shows
was
somehow
you
know
restricted
to
a
section
of
the
audience.
So
the
digital
space
definitely
has
its
advantages.
A
So
it's
about
combination
of
things,
the
personal
connection
first
and
expanding
that
network
sort
of.
Like
word
of
mouth
and
friends
of
friends
and
being
very
open.
You
know
my
my
suggestion
to
everybody
is:
keep
an
open
mind
towards
what
you
see
and
don't
be
afraid
of
learning.
I
know
the
word.
Blockchain
is
often
referred
to
things
that
are
not
as
transparent,
even
though
blockchain
wants
to
bring
more
transparency
into
the
space.
B
D
I
I
want
to
add
something
that
serena
is
absolutely
right.
You
know
that
it
became
it's
much
easier
to
organize.
If
we
talk,
for
example,
about
virtual
spaces,
also
for
their
exhibition
purposes,
it's
also
opened
up
a
new
opportunities
for
the
curators.
You
know
to
curate
within
their
virtual
reality
spaces
and
that
they
can
go
beyond
their
mind.
D
You
know
and
be
really
extraordinary
and
also
include
as
many
artists
as
possible,
because
that
was
also
some
kind
of
a
burden
for
many
museums
and
also
galleries
because
of
a
limitation
of
a
physical
space.
Then
the
limitations
of
the
budget
and
things
like
that.
You
know-
and
yes,
you
know
you
have
to
ship
and
things
like
this.
But
if
you
have
to
do
the
digital
festival
or
digital
art
art
exhibition
within
the
physical
space,
then
I
guess
there
there
are
some
some
some
issues.
D
You
know
some
problems
still
that
you
have
to
take
into
consideration,
because
all
the
the
museums
like
said
qayam
and
khalsaru
are
you
know
who
are
specializing
in
this
sort
of
new
media,
art
or
hack
in
basel
here
in
switzerland
you
know-
or
I
don't
know,
barbican
center
in
in
london.
You
know
they
have
a
huge
team
of
I.t
and
and
the
the
great
support
of
people
who
actually
can
manage.
D
We
had
to
to
to
find
the
several
ways
and
several
channels
to
connect
each
work
to
each
internet
connection.
You
know,
and
then
we
had
artists
coming
in
and
flying
minimum
three
two
two
three
times
without
the
exhibition
to
fix
the
current
problems.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
the
work
is
is
exhibited
in
in
a
perfect
way
and
that
they're
they're
the
machine
or
something
works
perfectly.
You
know
so
yeah.
D
If
we
still
talk
about
physical
space,
there
are
just
you
know,
some
other
issues
that
you
have
to
take
in
mind
and
that
you
know
this.
It
support
also
can
can
be
quite
costly
yeah.
But
if
we
talk
about
something
like
some
new
space
or
cryptoboxes
or
vr
spaces
which
become
more
and
more
popular,
I
think
this
is
something
which,
which
is
a
future
for
for
definitely.
B
Yeah
exactly
so,
I
think
the
other
spaces
are,
I
mean,
came
really
to
help
in
this
in
this
kind
of
situation.
Right,
even
if
we
are
in
the
stage,
I
repeat
myself,
where
people
still
need
a
bit
of
physical
engagement
as
well,
but
to
be
to
be
redirected
to
the
vr
spaces
in
the
future.
I
think
a
lot
will
happen
in
the
vr
spaces.
B
We
have
some
questions
from
the
audience
I
saved
them
here.
Some
of
them
were
already
answered.
So
if
you
guys
want
to
ask
more
questions,
you
can
do
it
via
chat
or
clicking.
The
button
ask
questions
in
the
button
in
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
so
we
have,
for
example,
at
this
question
that
I
will
I
want
to
make
to
artur,
because
maybe
he
is
the
one
who
could
answer
more
so
pratik
or
pratech.
B
C
You
know
I
I
tend
not
to
kind
of
try
not
to
comment
about
about
some
upcoming
platforms
and
stuff,
but
I
can
only
say
one
thing
and
I'm
I'm
known
for
that,
and
I
always
will
say
that
is
always
judge
something
with
a
product
in
place.
So
whenever
you
do
your
research,
if
you
research
something-
and
you
want
to
join
something
if
there
is
a
product,
if
there
is
a
strong
team,
if
there
is
openness
about
what
they're
doing
and
how
they're
doing
their
development,
then
it's
fine.
C
If
there
is
more
promises
than
the
real
you
know
than
the
real
use
cases,
then
it's
maybe
less
than
fine.
So
I
just
leave
it
with
that
because
there
are.
You
know
there
are
so
many
attempts
in
in
in
different
ways
how
to
do
stuff
and
from
these
spaces
I
think,
on
of
the
blockchain
art.
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
to
ben
from
crypto
voxels.
C
I
think
it's
mutual,
you
know
he's
going
his
way,
we're
going
our
way
and
regarding
the
rest
of
the
platforms
again
judge
for
for
the
use
case,
because
the
use
case
is
the
most
important
part
of
what
you
can
do
and
why
would
you
care
about
platforms
like
ours?
If
there
is
no
use
case
for
you,
then
there
is
no.
C
E
C
C
For
us,
if
we
want
to
you,
know
developing
for
a
certain
platform
takes
a
lot
of
development
time
and
if
we
now
will
start
developing
for
mac-
and
we
cannot
even
you
know,
people
cannot
even
run
our
world
natively
in
vr.
You
know
it.
It
makes
our
decision
much
harder
to
start
doing
that
and
put
a
lot
of
development
effort.
To
do
that.
I
mean
we
can,
but
it
is
just
counterproductive,
even
for
our
existing
user
base,
because,
instead
of
doing
that,
we
could
make
our
world
better.
You
know
we
can
implement
much
more
features.
C
We
are
working
right
now
on
quest
standalone
version.
So
if
we
will
get
a
quest
standalone
version
by
the
end
of
the
year,
which
we
hope
we
will,
you
won't
need
macbook
to
run.
You
just
buy
quests
for
300,
which
is
an
amazing
device.
You
you
job
dive
into
some
new
and
that's
it.
You
are
you're
good
to
go
and
by
the
way,
as
a
tip,
you
can
run
some
new
builder
on
mac
via
parallels.
So
you
can
have
windows
installed
on
mac.
You
can
launch
some
new
space
there.
It
works
perfectly.
C
B
E
D
C
D
D
D
I
am
explaining
how
it
works
for
the
user,
who
has
no,
who
had
no
idea
of
of
how
to
get
into
the
space
you
know.
First
of
all,
there
is
a
there
is
a
chat
in
the
through
the
application
which
you
can
download
and
discord,
and
it
looks
like
this.
You
know
on
the
mobile,
there
is
a
icon,
you
open
it
and
there
is
a
about
an
art
on
a
sport
or
artur
is
posting
every
single
time.
Everything
is
very
helpful.
D
C
D
Get
your
answer
every
time
then
they
are
like
they
have.
I
wanted
to
buy
waterfront
property
and
to
build
some
virtual
reality
exhibition
space
with
caitlyn's
gallery.
So
I
started
to
look
at
the
map
you
know
like
you
can
go
even
via
macbook,
because
I
have
two
macbooks
and
I
don't
have
a
stationary
computer.
C
D
Actually
entered
their
normal
website
and
I
I
managed
to
have
a
look
at
the
map
and
as
it
is,
it
works
in
the
normal
real
estate
market.
You
know
you
go
for
the
best
waterfront
property,
you
look
at
the
prices,
you
look
at
the
space,
you
look
at
the
height.
Everything
is
pretty
clear,
so
you
click
and
then
they
say
hey.
We
are
still
not
able
to
sell
it
because
we
are
going
to
sell
it
at
our
auction,
so
they
build
their
their
auction
periods.
D
Am
like
a
user,
a
free
promotion
for
some
new
space
so
and
then
you
know
like
on
first
of
november,
for
example,
you
know
you
can
enter
this
auction,
live
auction
and
beat
and
be
able
to
purchase
the
land,
but
I
would
advise
to
choose
it
beforehand.
You
know
so
you
can,
because
the
space
is
quite
big,
you
know,
so
you
can
kind
of
choose
carefully
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
now
we
sit
and
wait
when
we
are
going
to
have
enough
time
which
we
don't
develop.
D
C
C
But
if
you
don't
know
this
is
not
scripted.
Okay,
I
promise.
I
didn't
even
know
that.
So
thank
you
for
your
first
line
kind
of
like
feedback,
which
is
amazing.
We
try
to
help
everyone.
Of
course,
I'm
on
discord,
24
7
people
even
ask
if
I
sleep
there
are
already
bets
happening.
If
I
actually
ever
sleep,
I
do
I
promise
so
you
know
we.
We
can
help
you
actually,
because
we
have.
Every
week
we
have
a
builder
stream,
one
of
our
community
managers.
He
builds
and
he's
a
great
builder.
C
He
builds
on
certain
parcels,
so
just
contact
me
and
we
can
you
know-
can
rent
him
the
parcel
and
tell
him
what
you
want
to
build
and
he'll
build
this
during
the
live
stream.
So
it
will
kind
of,
like
you
know,
grow
during
the
livestream
and
then
you
can
put
art
there.
So
this
is
possible,
but
one
thing
I'll
add
is
again.
Another
small
shameless
block
is
that
yes,
the
next
auction
is
happening
from
the
first
of
november,
but
within
two
weeks
we'll
announce
some
revolutionary
feature.
C
I
don't
even
want
to
call
it
a
feature,
it's
something
which
will
transform
and
kind
of
finalize
the
sony
vision
as
it
was
envisioned
from
from
the
very
beginning,
so
really
stay
tuned.
For
that
guys,
I
can't
even
sleep
to
to
to
wait.
You
know
to
announce
that,
because
it's
so
important
and
so
cool-
and
I
can't
wait
to
share
it
with
everyone.
Okay,
I
shut
up.
C
Okay,
guys,
the
the
feature
will
be
announced
within
two
weeks
in
our
blog
post
I'll.
Do
the
live
keynote
from
some
new
space
explaining
and
then
we'll
tweet
about
it.
We'll
have
a
medium
post
and
we'll
just
announce
it
everywhere,
and
people
will
learn
more
about
the
auction
and
the
feature
itself.
B
C
D
C
B
Okay,
just
I
want
to
ask
I
mean
I
want
to
make
some
self-promotion
here
now
with
serena,
because
I
met
serena.
Actually
because
we
collaborated,
I
mean
maker
and
I
collaborated
both
with
serena
and
arthur
and
also
with
kate,
because
we
made
a
an
a
meet
up
in
art
gallery,
but
we
will
have
again
way
to
to
collaborate.
B
A
It's
a
way
for
people
to
be
active
and
support
our
activities
and
programming
for
the
not-for-profit
organization
that
we're
building.
So
I
see
so
many
advantages
for
the
users
for
the
artists
and
for
us
as
a
museum
to
grow.
So
I
was
very
pleased
to
meet
with
virtually
me
with
jennifer
and
having
us
adopt
and
die
and
having
that
opportunity.
A
So
there's
also
a
blog
post.
That's
been
released
recently,
so
yeah
in
the
chat
so
feel
free
to
go
and
read
about
also
other
projects
that
are
using
dye,
because
I
think
it
is
really
a
way
of
reducing
the
entry
barriers
that
has
been
somehow
built
on
on
the
world
around
blockchain
and
so
having
really
an
understanding
and
an
easy
way
of
being
part
of
the
community.
B
D
Because
we
are
now
launching
a
new
project,
women
supporting
women
and
this
project
will
be,
will
be
first
showcased
at
the
vancouver
biennale,
which
will
take
place
in
november,
and
this
is
a
community
to
support
women
through
art,
in
art
and
and
in
art,
in
tech
and
stuff
like
that,
and
it
will
be
open
for
for
everyone,
and
I
think
you
know
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
dai
yeah
to
support
this.
So
I
guess
we
can
just
jump
on
the
call.
B
B
A
Yes,
there's
a
great
programming
put
together
by
by
art
projects,
decentralized,
jessica
angel
and
as
marked
out,
we
are
contributing
to
the
marketing
aspect,
with
sandy
low
who's,
supporting
from
vancouver
with
the
marketing
team
and
gary
back
who's,
also
helping
putting
together
all
the
panels.
So
look
it
up
it's
going
to
be
available
in
the
next
week,
so
we're
very
happy
to
be
supporting
that
initiative
as
well.
D
D
C
C
Yes,
I
can
admit
I
can
imagine
and
of
course,
having
a
waterfront
parcel.
I
just
will
show
you
the
view
and
the
view
is
it's
amazing.
Oh
wait.
Wait,
wait.
There's
some
logo
there
there's
some
art
piece:
okay,
okay,
there's
something
happening
there,
but
let's,
let's
look
at
the
view.
Look
at
this
view.
This
is
this
is
what
you
get
when
you
have
a
waterfront
and,
as
you
know,
all
waterfront
parcels
are
sold
out.
Basically
they
are,
they
are
all
owned
already
by
users.
C
They
were,
they
were
immediately
bought
out
and
for
a
good
reason,
but
yeah.
If,
if
you
want
to
have,
if
you
want
to
have
something
built
on
this
parcel
as
soon
as
today,
because
we
have
another
stream
coming
up
with
a
builder
stream,
you
can
dm
me
in
this
court
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
what
to
do
and
then
we
can
try
to
build
something.
Even
today.
B
B
But
I
really
really
enjoyed
this
discussion
because
it's
really
a
new
topic
for
for
me
and
for
our
audience
usually
used
to
defy
topics
and
like
more
like
focus
on
crypto,
and
I
really
thank
you
because
you
were
great
speakers
and
you
gave
us
a
very
good
overview
about
about
what
you
do
your
word
and
a
lot
of
good
sources.
This
chat
will
will
remain
here
forever.
Basically,.