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From YouTube: Governance and Risk | Ep. 162
Description
Agenda: https://forum.makerdao.com/t/agenda-discussion-scientific-governance-and-risk-162-thursday-october-7-17-00-utc/10806
Introduction
@prose11 : Hosting, Introduction, Agenda.
@Davidutro : Slides
Governance Round-Up
Poll + Executive Status - @prose11
MIPs Update - @blimpa
Forum at a Glance - @gov-comms-core-unit
Selected Updates / Discussions
The case for Clean Money 3 by @rune - Community Discussion
A
Hello,
everybody
and
welcome
this
is
the
162nd
governance
and
risk
feeding
here
at
maker
dow,
my
name
is
peyton
rose.
I
go
by
pros
11
on
the
forums
and
I
am
one
of
the
governance
facilitators
today,
we're
joined
by
a
bunch
of
awesome
maker
people
curious
about
our
ecosystem
and
we're
already
working
and
collaborating
within
it.
A
A
A
Otherwise,
if
there's
a
pause
and
conversation
feel
free
to
unmute
and
and
let
your
question
fly,
we
will
be
kind
of
talking
about
a
bigger,
broader
topic
today.
So
sometimes
that's
cause
for
for
more
disagreement
or
more
opinions
to
come
to
life,
which
is
always
a
good
thing.
Just
try
not
to
talk
over
one
another
and
we'll
get
to
everybody's
point
just
as
soon
as
we
can.
A
Awesome
so
without
further
ado,
I
will
take
us
away
into
the
votes
update
on
terms
of
what's
been
going
on
the
past
week
here.
So
we
had
a
bunch
of
polls
pass.
The
two
from
monday
were
two
green
light:
poles,
the
solid
block,
detox
digital
coins
and
the
commercial
real
estate
assets
drop
token,
both
of
those
past
their
green
light.
And
then
we
had
five
polls
in
our
weekly
cycle.
A
So
you
will
be
seeing
those
on
on
the
executive
tomorrow.
There
is
one
poll
currently
running,
and
that
is
yet
another
green
light
pole
for
state
ethan,
eth
curve
pool-
and
I
mentioned
the
exact
so
the
previous
week's
exec
for
off-boarding,
the
usdt
collateral
and
corrigan
and
bunch
distributions
passed
and
executed
this
week.
A
A
A
B
B
We
have
a
technical
map,
dss
charter,
a
module
that
supports
institutional
and
long-term
vaults.
We
have
three
coordinates
maker
lapse
by
shooting
data
inside
phi
atomic
and
deck
of
fixed
weight
by
fancy
and
two
coordinate
budgets
for
growth,
covering
a
total
of
eight
months
and
for
content
production
covering
six
months.
B
B
We
also
have
the
map
section,
delegate,
compensation
which
tentatively
describes
how
recognized
delegates
will
be
compensated.
We
have
a
coordinate
budget
for
real
world
finance,
including
an
mkr
compensation
plan
and
for
governance.
Communications
is
a
proposal
for
adding
a
special
purpose
fund
for
a
feasibility
study
is
a
proposal
for
amending
the
map6
application
template
that
adds
real
world
asset
specific
questions.
B
A
A
C
C
C
The
core
of
his
clean
money
initiative
consists
of
tokenomic
system
of
the
sagittarius
engine,
which
would
replace
itself
as
a
destination
of
the
maker
protocol
surplus,
and
he
provides
the
tangible,
tangible
benefits
of
the
mkr
holders,
who
lock
up
their
mkr
and
governance
for
long
periods
of
time.
There's
a
lot
more
in
this
post
too
much
to
talk
about
so
check
it
out.
C
All
right
next
up
maker
doubt
currently
has
no
legal
structure
registered
in
any
jurisdiction
and
maker
is
very
likely
to
be
classified
as
a
general
partnership
within
the
united
states,
which
can
lead
to
multiple
risks
for
the
dow
and
any
individual
members
of
the
organization
or
mkr
holders
in
response
paper
imperium
urges
that
we
find
solutions
to
these
problems
as
soon
as
possible.
He
offers
some
solutions
in
the
post,
but
promotes
serious
discussion
on
the
subject.
C
And
finally,
winter
mute
proposes
submits
a
proposal
to
provide
market
making
services.
To
make
your
doubt,
the
proposal
involves
loaning
10,
000
mkr
to
wintermute
trading,
who
will
either
return
the
loan
in
full
or
provide
50
million
usdc
representing
a
100
premium
to
the
current
price
of
mkr.
You
can
watch
their
introduction
on
this
proposal
on
last
week's
governance
and
risk
call
onto
signal
requests.
C
D
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
to
come
back
to
the
the
governance
calls
and,
and
and
talk
about
this
I
haven't
actually
like.
I
haven't,
prepared
any
slides
or
really
like
prepare.
Like
you
know.
I
think,
though,
this
I
also
came
today
to
discuss
this,
this
more
sort
of
pressing
legal
question.
Basically
that
I
think
is
also
really
important,
but,
of
course
like
can't
really
ignore
the
the
wall
of
text
dumped
on
everyone.
D
What
was
it
last
monday,
but
yeah
like
I
mean
so
it's
it's
just
the
thing
about
this
whole
thing
is
that
there's
like
there's
so
many
concepts
that
are
sort
of
interconnected
and
in
reality,
what
this
all
represents
is
really
sort
of
all
the
thinking
and
all
the
a
lot
like
the
research
I've
done.
Maybe
for
you
know,
maybe
you
could
say
over
the
past
five
years
potentially
like
it's,
you
know,
which
was
pretty
much
the
last
time
I
was
sort
of
able
to
be
publicly
involved
in
maker
governance
right.
D
I
have
not,
you
know,
had
to
to
create
this
kind
of
separation
between
my
role
and
sort
of
the
team
that
was
bootstrapping
maker
and
then
having
a
role
as
an
mkr
holder
in
the
community,
but
yeah
like
and
what's
I
mean,
maybe
the
most,
maybe
the
best
sort
of
angle
to
try
to
explain
it
from
is
actually
my
it's
kind
of
like
my
objective
of
maker
has
always
been.
You
know
from
the
very
beginning,
literally
when,
when
the
whole
thing
started,
the
reason
the
thing
that
attracted
me
so
much
to
it
was
yeah.
D
Oh
yeah,
you
know
I
all
I
need
to
do
is
just
write,
a
white
paper
and
then
sort
of
free
market
will
somehow
like
take
care
of
it
and
it
will
be
built
or
something
right
and
and
then
it
was
like.
Oh,
we
just
need
to
get
this
team
together
and
then
it
it'll
become
a
down.
It
will
take
care
of
itself
and
then
we
you
know,
then
later
I
was
like.
Oh,
we
just
need
to
make
this
foundation,
and
then
we
just
need
to
to
build
the
thing
and
then
we'll
then
I
can.
D
I
can
I
can
sort
of
sit
back
and
relax
and
it
will
take
care
of
itself
and
now
we're
done
with
the
foundation,
and
you
know-
and
now
I'm
basically
at
this
point
where
oh
yeah,
you
know
all
we
need
now
is
like
make
it
a
purpose-driven
dial
and
put
a
bunch
of
things
in
place
and
to
really
make
this
constellation
everything
set
up,
so
we
can
have
this
ice
age,
but
that's
really
sort
of
that's
really.
I
mean
fundamentally,
that's
always
been
my
opposite.
D
You
know
it's
always
been
the
point
of
maker
right,
a
really
sort
of
autonomous
kind
of,
like
you
know,
locked
down
system
to
some
extent.
Right
I
mean
that's,
that's
obviously,
the
the
promise
of
the
whole
system
right
and
then
I
think
additionally,
they're
like
we
omega,
has
always
been
an
extremely
you
know:
value
driven
movement
right
and
project.
That's
actually
been
quite
different
from
from
most
of
the
rest
of
crypto
and
d5.
In
that
we've
been
had
this.
D
You
know
both
been
very
so
idealistic
and
it's
sometimes
even
been
sort
of
arrogant
in
a
sense
and
and
sort
of
different
in
that
way,
and
I
you
know-
that's
basically
like
I
just
I
think
fundamentally
like
I
mean
that
firs.
That
first
of
all
is
who
we
are,
but
it
also
is
just
connected
in
with
all
these
other
things
and
and
all
of
these
pieces
are
they're
really
yeah.
D
I
think
fundamentally
they're
they're,
like
they're,
they're,
interconnected
and
necessary,
and
really,
in
my
opinion,
it's
like
the
it's
sort
of
it's
really
our
best
like
from
my
perspective.
It's
almost
the
only
way
forward
in
a
sense
right
in
that,
in
that
we
need,
we
need
a
plan,
a
kind
of
holistic
plan
that
can
do
the
same.
I
can
do
something
like
you
know.
D
So
so
that
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
many
perspectives
right.
Another
one
is
to
talk
about.
You
know,
climate
change
in
the
and
the
collapse
of
of
the
whole
world
which
I
base.
I
think
I
want
to
mostly
skip
over
that
honestly,
like
I
think
I
mean
that
is
but
yeah
like
you
know,
I
have
I've
got
kids
now,
which
is
different.
You
know
so
I
used
to
be.
D
D
Once
you
have
have
children
and
you
get
this
different
sort
of
per
time,
like
sort
of
perspective
in
terms
of
time
and
and
yeah
like
it
is,
it
is
just
it's
like
climate
change
is
like
it's.
It's
what's
called
a
black
elephant.
It's
like
a
combination
of
black
swan,
an
elephant
in
the
room
in
that
it's
yeah.
It
is
actually
and
there's
like
no
good.
A
D
C
D
Come
back
in
so
yeah?
No,
that's
my
that's
my
fancy!
5G!
That's
the
works
way
worse
than
my
five-year-old
phone.
So
that's!
No!
But
but
no,
what
my?
What
I'm
saying
is
that
because
of
what's
happening,
it's
like
if
you're
anyone
that's
working
on
anything
and
sort
of
building
something
up
for
the
future.
D
If
they're
not
like
directly
dealing
with
basically
the
the
coming
collapse
of
the
of
the
system,
they
should
really
just
not
waste
the
time
they
should
go
outside
and
enjoy
nature,
while
it's
still
there
and
that's
kind
of
how
I
th
you
know
that's
one
of
the
ways
I
think
to
think
of
this.
As
just
like
I
mean
it's,
it's
most.
D
People
for
most
people
is
still
not
apparent
today,
but
it
will,
over
time
increasingly
become
apparent
that
everything
in
our
lives
will
be
dominated
by
this
stuff
and
and
you're
just
not
going
to
be
like
you
know,
it's
not
going
to
be
meaningful
to
to
to
work
on
on
something
else,
because
if
like
first
it
will
be
about
sort
of
protecting
the
world
and
eventually
about
protecting
yourself
and
yeah.
So.
D
C
So
one
thing
that
struck
me
as
like
really
interesting
about
your
post:
the
case
for
clean
money.
Is
this
idea
of
incentivizing
an
entire
solution
through
you
know
advantageous
credit
facilities
and
partnerships
and
really
funneling
capital
to
startups
businesses,
etc,
etc.
That
are
really
making
a
positive
impact
on
the
problem
and
I'm
curious
whether
your
vision
has
room
to
expand
beyond
climate
change.
So
climate
change
is,
of
course,
one
of
the
biggest
problems
and-
and
you
know
it's
definitely
pertinent
and
worthy
of
focus.
D
Now
we
we're
actually
in
a
situation
where,
like
profit,
you
know
the
public
benefit
and
the
personal
benefit
like
the
profits,
they're
really
converging
in
a
sense
like
we
really
like
this.
Is
this
direction
that
I'm
advocating,
for,
I
believe,
is
by
far
the
most
profitable
direction
we
could
possibly
take,
and
what
and
and
it's
like
when
you
actually
think
about
it-
it
kind
of
makes
sense.
D
I
mean
like,
as
a
you
know,
if
you're
sort
of
a
con,
you
know
if
you've
been
conditioned
by
capitalism,
then
the
statement
that,
like
doing
good,
should
also
be
the
most
the
most
profitable
that
that's.
That
seems
like
complete
nonsense
but
like,
if
you
really
don't
think
about
it,
like
logically,
that
is
kind
of
how
markets
actually
work
right,
like
that's,
how
sort
of
and
how
it
would
make
sense
like
if
you're
doing
something,
that's
good,
then
that
means
there's
some
value
there
and
that's
how
you
should
be.
D
You
know
that's
what
should
be.
You
should
be
able
to
extract
value
out
of
that
in
some
sense
right,
and
that
is
like
absolutely
the
case
for
the
for
the
economic
system
and
the
financial
system
right
that
nobody's.
I
mean
it's
not
very
profitable
to
destroy
the
planet
right
like
nobody's
gonna
like
the
oil
executives.
Kids
are
gonna,
be
in
trouble
too
right,
like
no
one's
gonna
gonna
benefit
right.
It's
really
this
what's
happening.
D
Is
it's
actually
not
like
some
conspiracy
or
some
kind
of
some
people
that
are
somehow,
like
you
know,
taking
advantage
of
everyone
else?
It's
like
literally
this
huge
coordination
problem
that
the
whole
world
is
engaged
in.
That's
just
sort
of
failing
and
turning
out
badly
and
that's
where,
if
you
can
like
the
question,
is:
is
it
possible
to
try
to
overcome
that
coordination
problem
and
then
can
you
actually
extract
sort
of?
D
Can
you
kind
of
like
like
if
you
can
overcome
the
problem,
you
will
create
incredible
amounts
of
value,
and
is
it
possible
to
sort
of
tap
into
that
future
value
and
then
use
that
as
to
sort
of
as
energy
to
power
the
the
push
towards
trying
to
overcome
this
right
and-
and
so
so.
I
think
that
it's
from.
D
Ultimately,
it's
from
that
perspective
that
that
I
mean
in
the
end,
like
that's,
how
a
dial
sort
of
has
to
work,
basically
that
you
know
that
that,
like
it,
we
have
to
make
our
decision
based
on
what's
benefiting
us
as
mkr
holders
like
so
so.
The
question
is
kind
of:
what's
the,
what
are
the
actions
that
we
can
take
that
that
just
provides
us?
D
You
know
that
provides
us
with
the
biggest
benefit
and
then
as
a
side
effect,
but
you,
I
guess
you
could
say
like
some
in
some
sense
as
a
side
effect.
It's
also
creating
a
lot
of
a
positive
externality
for
others
right
right,
so
like
so,
my
point
is
that
it's
really
important
like
we
can't
operate
on
the
basis
of
oh,
we
feel
like
this
is
good.
Let's
do
that
or
let's
also
save
the
world
over
here
and
over
there
and
like
that,
simply
doesn't
work
right.
D
I
mean
not,
even
if
it's
like
it
doesn't
matter,
if
you're,
some
guy
trying
to
fight
climate
change
and
you're,
just
like.
Oh,
you
know
people,
you
know,
people
have
been
trying
that
for
for
decades,
right
and
and
been
sort
of
chaining
themselves
to
trees
or
whatever,
and
it
doesn't
do
anything
right
because
it's
an
it's
a
systemic
sort
of
economic
problem
and
you
have
to
fix
it
with
economics
and
so
on,
but
anyway.
So
actually
this
will
answer.
The
question
like
actually
climate
change
isn't
actually
the
problem.
It's
really
it's
not
a
capitalism.
D
D
All
of
these
things
actually
all
connected
to
sort
of
economic
systems
that
just
that
that
mass-produced,
negative
externalities
and
don't
think
you
are,
you
know,
aren't
able
to
consider
the
long
run
and-
and
I
and
what
I
think
is
sort
of
the
the
magic
to
some
extent
that
maker
can
bring
to
the
table.
Is
that
it's
like
it's
a
global
currency
right
and
a
currency
really?
Is
this
like
extremely
pop,
like
you?
Could
you
could
think
of
it
as
like,
an
extremely
powerful
coordination
tool
right?
D
It's
definitely
used
as
a
coordination
tool
when
it
comes
to
like
pricing
stuff
right
and
like
the
way
prices
they
sort
of
determine
how
an
economy
makes
decisions
right,
but
it
can
also
be
a
coordination
tool
around
like
not
only
how
you
price
things,
but
then
also
how
you
sort
of
back
the
currency
itself
and
how
you
allocate
credit
and
how
and
like
basically
that
that's
sort
of
the
other
piece
of
of
the
of
money
as
a
coordination
tool.
That's.
E
D
D
D
And
then,
if
enough
people
like,
if
there's
enough
momentum
behind
that,
then
you
can,
you
can
create,
you
can
get
sort
of
critical
mass
right.
You
can
get
so
much
liquidity
in
the
currency
that
it
becomes
a
well
currency
and
then
the
whole
sort
of
system
sort
of
snaps
in
place,
and
you
actually
you
know
you
get
you
get
economies
of
scale
and
network
effects
that
actually
mean
that
you
do
have
sort
of
the
surplus
available
to
to
fund
to
fund
all
of
these
positive
externalities.
D
So
that's
kind
of
one
place
to
look
like,
and
that's
that's
really,
that's
the
the
main
driver
behind
sustainable
collateral
right
so
doing
things
like
like,
like
renewable
energy
and
and
maybe
even
like
really
sort
of
fancy
ambitious
projects
like
trying
to
fund
the
fusion
power
or
something
like
things.
Where
kind
of
you
can
really.
D
You
can
really
like
show
people
look.
This
is
what
d5
can
do
it's
a
coordination
tool.
That
means,
if
you
put
your
money
in
d5,
you're,
actually
building
giant
wind
turbines
right
and
and
you're
sort
of
you're
doing
that
it's
a
it's
kind
of
a
computer
program
that
allows
individuals
to
sort
of
band
together
and
they
don't
actually
have
to
do
anything.
They
just
have
to
hold
their
money
in
a
different
asset,
but
then,
by
doing
that,
they're
they're
creating
a
real.
D
You
know
that
making
a
real
difference
in
that
they
can
and
they
can
see
that
directly
right.
They
can
track
it.
They
can
see.
Look.
This
is
actually
straight
up
like
constructing
wind
turbines
right
and
that's
kind
of
that's
something.
That's
sort
of
missing
right
now,
because
what
you
have
today
is
you
have
this.
D
This
frustration
almost
like
humiliation,
right
of
of
of
people
like
having
to
like
drink
from
paper
straws,
which
I
think
is
the
perfect
example
of
like
we
we're
sort
of
doomed
and-
and
you
know
like
the
avalanche-
is
coming
towards
us
and
we're
engaging
these
are
pointless.
Self-Flagglation
acts
right
that
don't
actually
do
anything,
and
it's
like
you
know
what
you
know.
Instead
of
of
sort
of
just
accepting
it
and
then
also
doing
some
pointless
stuff
as
sort
of
almost
like
a
punishment,
you
know
we
right
like
we
can.
D
D
This
resilience
aspect,
which
is
yeah,
so
that's
sort
of
the
completely
opposite.
That's,
instead
of
trying
to
prevent
damage,
those
are
preventing
negative
externalities
and
actually
caught
in
creating
positive
x
and
l
is
for
others
it's
more
about
like
sort
of
capturing
or
like
yeah
like
capturing
the
value
or
sort
of
the
the
alpha.
Essentially,
that's
been
created
in
a
sense
right
by
what's
happening
right
now
in
terms
of
pollution
and
the
trajectory
of
civilization
and-
and
that's
where
it's
just
like
about.
D
D
So
what
that
means
is
the
financial
system
sort
of
could
learn
about
climate
alpha
and
could
learn
about
what's
going
to
happen,
but
it's
it
doesn't
do
it
because
it's
kind
of
like
the
late
stage
of
the
of
the
2007
financial
crisis,
where,
once
you
go
down
that
rabbit
hole,
you
have
to
suddenly
reprice
so
much
stuff.
That
is
like
the
the
numbers.
Just
don't
cheat
like
the
math
simply
doesn't
check
out
like
you
just
there's.
D
There
isn't
really
an
answer
on
for
for
what
you
do
if
you
start
to
actually
look
like
consider
the
science
basically
and
that's
basically,
and
and
so
that's
really
bad,
but
but
the
opportunity
is
that
maker
can
then
sort
of
fill
that
gap
and
and
and
potentially
access
assets
that
are
extremely
undervalued
in
terms
of
other
assets.
That
are,
you
know
that
will
potentially
become
you
know,
places
that
will
just
become
desert,
for
instance,
are
not
being
sort
of
like
the
real
estate,
and
you
know
in
in.
D
You
know
that
that
has
to
be
considered
fundamentally,
but
I
think,
what's
kind
of
the
most
interesting
in
terms
of
again
like
how
you
can
create
a
sort
of
systemic
solution
to
to
systemic
problems.
Is
that
if
you
go
like,
if
you
assume
the
ability
to
grow
and
and
if
you
assume
sort
of
a
very
large
scale
through
strong
branding
and
strong
marketing
and
so
on,
and
you
get
to
a
very
light
scale,
then
what
ends
up
happening?
D
You
can
then
have?
If
you
have
a
large
enough
scale,
you
can
sort
of
make
investments
into
places
that
are
in
the
you
know
where
you're
sort
of
you're,
not
it's
not
clear
whether
they
will.
You
know
you,
don't
really
you
don't
know
exactly
sort
of
the
climate
alpha
essentially
right,
you
don't
know
whether
is
this
land
actually
going
to
be
arable
or
not,
but
you
can
you
know,
but
you
can
then
actually
have
an
impact
on
that
uncertainty.
D
If
you
also
do
an
investment
into
sort
of
producing
the
you
know,
producing
positive
externalities
or
producing
sustainable
energy
right.
So
it's
like
this
synergy
between,
let's
say
whatever
agriculture
in
an
area
that
that
is
vulnerable
to
climate
change
and
then
sustainable
energy
right
that
that
prevents
climate
change
from
happening.
D
And
that's
you
know
so,
that's
when
you
can
get
you
know.
Basically
you
can
get
to
a
point
where
you
can.
You
know
you're
able
to
somewhat
sort
of
overcome
the
tragedy
of
the
commons,
because
you're
able
to
actually
in
a
sense
sort
of
capture
the
value
yeah
like
you're,
able
to
sort
of
capture
the
value.
That's
that's
created
by
overcoming
the
tragedy
of
the
commons
and
then
because
you
can
capture
the
value.
D
To
mention,
but
there's
also
like
this
whole
political
aspect,
and
that's
kind
of
we've
been
talking
about
it
now,
like
tax
and
legal
risk
and
all
this
stuff
and
there's
a
huge
part
to
it
as
well,
right
that,
basically,
the
main
thing
we
consider
the
maker
all
the
time
is,
is
legal
risk
and
usdc
blacklisting
risk,
and
we
we
know
for
a
fact.
I
mean
my
experience
after
having
dealt
with
with
that
for
for
years
right
in
the
context
of
e5.
D
It's
really
the
way
that
politicians
and
regulators
think
it's
like
literally
like
does
it
look
like
a
bad
guy
or
just
look
like
a
good
guy
right
and
if
it
looks
like
a
bad
guy,
they'll
mush,
you
know
they'll
might
much
more
likely
go
after
it.
It
looks
like
a
good
guy.
They'll
hold
off
a
bit
right
and
that's
basically
the
thing
that
like
we
just
I
mean
it's
not
like.
We
can
break
the
law
or
become
immune
to
regulation
or
something
because
we're
a
bunch
of
eco
warriors
right,
but
it
it
abs.
D
Naturally,
I
guess
you
can
say
naturally
decentralized,
basically
like
so
so
countries
that
have
you
know
that
democratic,
strong
rule
of
law,
these
things,
you
can
sort
of
really.
You
can
really
embed
yourself
and
entrench
yourself
in
those
kind
of
systems
and
and
yeah
like
the
number
one
way
to
do.
That
is
to
have
some
way
to
be
relevant,
and
you
know
to
sort
of
create
a
create,
a
kind
of
a
reason
why
people
should
care
right
and,
and
and
so
so
it
sort
of
boils
down
to
it.
D
They're
just
you
can
you
can
like
be.
You
know
yeah
right
like
if,
if,
if
d5
is
just
about
making
money
and
getting
rich,
quick
and
so
on,
it
is
a
you
know:
there's
a
there's,
a
much
greater
regulatory
risk
in
that
situation
than
if
it's
actually
about
you
know
experimenting
with
cutting-edge
technology,
to
figure
out
how
that
can
help
society
right
so
yeah.
So
that's
another.
E
D
Advantage
and
and
and
there's
of
another
reason
why,
just
in
the
end,
it's
just
it's
like
the
profitable
way
to
go
and
that's
and
and
that's
not
a
bad
thing
like
the
fact
that
going
green
is
profitable
is
actually
it's
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
a
fantastic
thing
right,
because
only
if
suddenly,
the
entire
planet
starts
realizing
wow.
If
we
all
do
this,
we
make
more
money
right.
D
That's
the
only
way
it
can
possibly
be
solved.
So
it's
a
it's
really
important
to
sort
of
really
sort
of
create
that
connection
between
how
do
you
benefit
from
providing
others
with
a
benefit,
but
but
there's
no,
there's
really
no
system
that
that
that
can
more
easily
be
in
that
position
than
than
a
currency.
I
think,
and
especially
how
makers
sit
up.
It's
just
really
sort
of
perfect
setup.
There's,
okay,
I'll
try
to
I'll
just
ramble
a
little
bit
more
and
then
I'll
stop.
But
you
know
so
then
we've!
D
You
know
this
whole
question
like
scale
and
all
the
benefits
and
and
all
this
stuff
we
can
do,
and
you
know,
climate
alpha
and
sustainable
collateral,
and
you
know,
and
then
there's
a
part
of
the
proposal.
Is
this
this
the
whole
thing
about
tokenomics
and
what
I
call
unleashing
the
the
superpowers
of
d5
right
so
really
like.
D
Essentially
right.
That's
that's
exactly
that's
what
you
need
to
help
people,
sort
of
and
drive
them
in
the
direction
of
understanding.
If
we
all
work
together,
we
all
make
more
money
than
if
we
all
work
against
each
other,
essentially
and
and
tokenomics
and
and
yeah,
like
you
know,
tokenomics
yield
farming.
These
concepts
there
are
actually
ways
to
sort
of
like
do.
A
F
D
A
in
a
very
direct
economic
sense
right
through
actual
cash
flows,
so
that
fits
particularly
well
with
like
a
real
sort
of
vision
and
a
real
purpose.
That
actually
is
is
genuine.
That's
the,
I
believe,
that's
like
the
strongest
place
possible
where
you
can
put
these
kind
of
like
aggressive
tokenomics,
and
I
think
I
mean-
and
I
would
argue,
sort
of
the
best
example
of
like
why
strong
vision
and
and
a
real
genuine
purpose
and
public
good
and
sort
of
this
excitement
and
and
and
sort
of
yeah.
D
Like
vision,
I
get
basically
around
that
right
like
why
that
actually
drives
value
like
the
perfect
example
is
tesla
right
like
which
is
like
the
most
valuable
company
was
actually
based
basic.
You
know
had
this
like,
like
the
thing
that
really
drove
it,
I
don't
know
if
they're
the
most
available
anymore
right
but
like
when
they
sort
of
pumped
to
the
the
most
valuable
company
in
the
world.
It
was
absolutely
because
it
had
this
sort
of
science
fiction.
D
You
know,
like
solar,
punk
narrative
to
it
right
and
that's
exactly
what
we
can
do
as
well
right.
We
can
use
to
ergonomics.
We
can
use
this
kind
of
vision
and
we
can
use
it
to
really
just
drive
this
sort
of
ability
to
to
you
know
convincing
the
world
that
this
is
something
that
can
actually
grow.
It
can
actually
make
a
difference.
D
It
can
actually
become
huge,
and
the
last
tiny
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
sort
of
the
internal,
and
this
is
sort
of
the
last
part
of
the
post
right
is.
This
is
basically
how
also
vision
and
purpose
and,
ultimately,
altruism,
is
actually
fundamental
for
governance
and
a
doubt
to
even
work
at
all,
and
so
that's
because
a
doubt
doesn't
have
regulation,
or
does
it
doesn't
have
an
authority,
so
it's
extremely
extremely
vulnerable
to
basically
it's
basically
to
cover.
D
I
mean
in
the
long
run,
what's
basically
corruption,
I
mean
in
a
normal
company.
The
way
you
deal
with
corruption
and
ultimately
is
is
through,
like
shareholder
protection
right
and
that's
ultimately
enforced
by
the
government
and
the
government.
Ultimately,
like
only
works,
because
it's
in
some
sense,
driven
by
some
kind
of
greater
purpose
right.
Some
kind
of
altruistic
cause
right,
even
if
it's
the
government
itself
is
also
corrupt.
D
D
It's
not
a
shared
vision
right.
It's
like
an
individual
thing
that
everyone
makes
money,
and
that's
so
it's
great.
If
everyone
comes
together
and
makes
money
together
as
a
group
while
they're
working
together,
that's
great,
that's
going
to
encourage
them
to
work
together,
but
the
problem
is
as
soon
as
you
present
someone
with
an
option
to
make
more
money
by
by
sort
of
defecting.
D
D
Right
and
like
because
I'm
getting
the
money,
no
matter
what
and
I'm
here
for
the
money,
so
why
bother
doing
anything
to
to
that's
not
gonna,
give
me
give
me
more
money
right
and
instead,
if
you,
if
it's,
if
people
are
all
they're
motivated
by
the
money
but
they're,
also
motivated
by
something
beyond
that,
then
you
kind
of
you
get.
You
know,
then
it's
like.
What's
the
reason
why
someone
should
go
in
and
actually
vote,
even
though
it
doesn't
directly
benefit
them?
D
Well,
that's
because
the
whole,
you
know,
the
way
they
benefit
is
because
the
whole
thing
has
this
greater
purpose
that
aligns
with
their
own
sort
of
vision
of
the
world
right
and
then
you
can
actually
begin
to
you
can
sort
of
draw
out
this.
This
motivation
from
within
people
to
actually
just
you
know,
be
sort
of
the
you
know,
contribute
like
contribute
to
the
greater
good
in
the
dao,
because
the
dao
contributes
to
sort
of
the
greater
good
in
the
world.
So
you
know
you're.
D
You
know
nobody
wants
to
be
the
sucker
that,
like
volunteers,
the
time
to
help
make
a
bunch
of
other
people
rich
right,
like
that's,
that's
very
demotivating.
So
if
it
so,
there
needs
to
be
something
beyond
that
and-
and
I
think
that's
that's
completely
critical
and
this
and
then
there's
the
whole
piece
of
of
like
the
the
core
units
and
sort
of
the
bureaucracy
that
exists
to
make
around
governance,
which
is
completely
unique
and,
unlike
anything
else
anywhere
in
crypto,
and
it
it
it
needs.
A
kind
of
you
know
like
it's.
D
D
Essentially
then,
it's
guaranteed
that
when
you
have
some
kind
of
like
a
big
bulky
bureaucracy
in
a
dow
over
time,
that's
gonna,
absolutely
corrupt
and
and
but
the
problem
is
again
that
like,
if
you
have
a
bunch
of
people
that
are
working
for
the
dow
and
they're
working
their
ass
off
and
they're,
you
know
they're
like
in
all
this
chaos
and
and
complexity
and
and
uncertainty.
And
then
you
come
and
impose
a
bunch
of
bureaucratic
requirements
on
them
and
and
sort
of
treat
them.
D
As
you
know,
you
don't
even
like
you,
don't
even
trust
them
right,
but
and
you're
tr
you're,
putting
a
bunch
of
bureaucracy
on
them
and
you're
sort
of
creating
a
system
that
assumes
they're
hostile
and
which
you
ultimately
have
to
do
in
a
bureaucracy
that
that
has
the
potential
to
become
corrupt
right.
But
if
all
of
that
is
happening
and
the
entire
context
for
that
is
just
so,
people
can
make
money.
E
D
I
mean
either
they're
gonna
need
huge
amounts,
just
crazy,
high
compensation
or
they're
to
go
corrupt
and
they're,
going
to
get
their
money
that
way
or
they're
just
going
to
quit
and
not
bother
dealing
with
it
right
and
the
only
way
that
this
is
like
that,
realistically
you
can.
This
makes
sense.
It
makes
people
sense
for
people
to
dedicate
their
their
time,
and
their
energy
to
this
right
is,
if
again,
there's
some
kind
of
motivation
beyond
just
being
about
money.
D
F
D
Anything
but
a
lot
of
the
time,
I'm
not
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
time.
I'm
not
actually
right
and
later
turns
out
I'm
wrong,
but
I
still
actually
very
have
this
sort
of
very
like
high
levels
of
clarity
around
sort
of
a
lot
of
stuff
in
general.
So
I
have
so.
The
point
is
like
I
have
a
you
know.
I
do
have
very
specific
ideas
around
how
to
do
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
I'm
I'm
I'm
talking
about,
but
in
the
end
that's
actually
not
really
like
that's.
D
You
know
that
doesn't
necessarily
matter
that
much
because
the
reality
is
that
all
of
this
stuff
has
to
be
worked
at
like
the
whole
exercise.
Here
and
and
like
I
said,
like
that's
the
first
thing
I
said
right.
My
goal
is
that
the
outcome
of
doing
all
these
things
should
be
that
in
particular
me,
but
also
anyone
else
can
just
pull
out
right
and
not
be
relied
on
right.
D
Just
made
the
like
right,
he
just
made
this
comment
like
also.
The
question
is:
is
this
even
like?
What
are
they
even
like?
Do
we
even
want
to
move
forward
on
this
and
and
and
like
what
are
actually
the
high
level
principles,
and
so
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
steps,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
needs
to
be
done
and
all
of
it
needs
to
be
done
in
the
community,
and
it
simply
is
sort
of
it's
pointless
to
not
do
it.
D
I
mean
it's
probably
to
do
it
any
other
way
than
completely
as
a
sort
of
decentralized
community
process
right
and
that's
in
the
end,
like
that's
really
right,
that's
actually
what
I'm
doing.
In
fact,
I
haven't
done
anything
yet.
I've
just
wrote
written
a
huge
wall
of
text,
but
like
this
is
the
the
amazing
thing
is
everything
is
in
place
so
that
we
as
a
community
can
can
implement
things
like
what
I'm
suggesting
using
all
of
the
infrastructure
systems.
D
Governance,
tooling,
that's
already
there
and
it
would,
and
I
and
that's
what
I'm,
what
I
think
right
is.
You
know
I
can
sort
of
help
yeah
be
a
part
of
that
and
then,
by
going
through
that
process,
I
think
the
dial
can
come
out
on
the
other
end,
as
truly
sort
of
you
know,
truly
in
a
spot
where
I
can
you
know,
I'm
gonna
really
pull
out
for
real
and
focus
on
my
next.
My
next
thing.
D
D
D
Way
to
answer
is
like
it's
absolutely,
it's
not
a
complete
package
right.
I
would
argue
that
there
is
a
logical
sort
of
you
know,
there's
a
kind
of
a
logical
sort
of
circularity
to
it,
where
you
can't
really
do
right.
Like
I
mean
you
could
do,
let's
say
you
we
could
do.
Oh,
let's
say
something
like
a
tokenomics
overhaul.
We
could
do
that
with
com,
no
other
context
at
all,
and
and
that's
something
where
you
could
absolutely
sort
of
treat
that
as
like
its
own
thing.
D
B
My
argument
here
is
that
this
proposal
contains
quite
a
lot
of
stuff,
so
an
overall
implementation
plan
wouldn't
would
not
hurt.
I
mean
what
do
we
do
first
and
in
what
order-
and
you
know,
especially
with
regards
to
regulation
and
and
the
strategy
around
any
tokenomics
overall,
I
mean
it.
It's
quite
a
significant
amount
of
work,
each
one
of
these
these
items,
but.
D
Yeah,
I
don't
think
that
is
any
of
this
stuff
that
really
can
be
done
in
the
short
run,
basically
like
what
we
could
do
is
something
like
agree
on
principles
or
something
like
agree
on
an
attempt
like
something
like
we're
going
to
try
to
brand
ourselves
as
clean
money
or
something
which
I
mean.
My
intention
was
not
that
I
mean
I
did
not
expect
that
a
bunch
of
media
outlets
would
be
like
wow
maker
is
going
green
and
stuff
right.
I
did
not
expect
that's
gonna
happen
from
just
creating
a
forum
proposal
and.
D
The
reason
why
that's
happening,
I
believe,
is
because
it's
it's
useful
to
to
to
them
kind
of
to
the
media
kind
of
like
it's
useful
to
some
elements
in
the
crypto
media,
because
what
they're
using
it
for
is
they're
trying
to
push
back
against
this
mainstream
media
narrative
of
bitcoin,
being
bad
for
the
environment
and
so
on.
So
I
think,
maybe
that
that
does
I
mean
I
was
assumed.
You
know
I
was
really
expecting
that
it
would
take
you
know
we
would
want
to
discuss
this
for
many
months
and
sort
of
really
consider
it.
D
You
know
something
we
can
carefully
and
deliberately
and
think
about.
Theoretically,
you
know
and
and
take
it
very
slow
with
and
and
not
really
have
that
have
any
sort
of
external
effect,
and
it's
possible
that,
because
the
media
is
already
running
with
it,
that
we
may
you
know,
we
may
be
able
to
actually
just
say:
oh
yeah,
we
you
know
we
clean
money.
Now
we
haven't
actually
done
anything
yet
but
we're
planning
to,
and
then
we
can
just
still
actually
bring
ourselves
that
way
and
and
to
do
something
on
that.
D
D
Just
aren't
really
the
greatest
thing
in
the
world,
like
they're
kind
of
like
esg,
is
sort
of
the
the
reincarnation
of
corporate
social
responsibility
to
some
extent,
but
less
fraudulent,
essentially,
and
and
but
it's
still,
but
it's
still
good
like
and
it's
it's
it
has.
It
has
sort
of
a
sense
of
trust
and,
and
I
think,
being
able
to
move
billions
into
esg
assets
would
just
like
that.
D
E
We
we
couldn't
like
nail
down
the
real
world
assets
narrative
strongly
enough
to
immediately
create
enough
interest,
and
I
really
don't
want
to
downplay
the
monumentous
monumental
milestones.
We've
reached
right.
So
that's
that's
not
the
point.
The
point
is,
we
kind
of
fell
in
in
like
in
between
two
chairs,
and
people
had
really
like
a
hard
time
wrapping
their
heads
around
like
what
is
make
you're
supposed
to
be
now
is:
is
it
just
the
usbc
rapper
the
real
asset
stuff
like
what
is
it
all
about?
E
This
is
still
a
proposal.
We're
still
working
out
the
details,
we
don't
know
yet
exactly
what
it
will
look
like,
but
that
we
send
a
very
strong
signal
that
you
know
these
are
the
core
principles
that
we're
going
for
in
a
way
it
is
a
pivot,
but
you
know
that's
that's
what
it
is
right
like
there
is
no
discussion.
E
This
is
what
maker
is
about
now,
and
this
is
the
direction
we're
going
in,
and
this
is
the
climb,
the
kind
of
clarity
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to
agree
on
the
details.
It.
It
just
means
that
we
create
clarity
around
the
new
direction
of
the
project,
and
then
we
should
be
able
to
do
that
like
really
fast
and
decisively,
and
then
you
have
like
a
clean,
clean
environment
where
you
can
start
working
out
the
details
once
we've
all
agreed
that
you
know
these.
E
A
C
So
I
think,
there's
kind
of
two
things
going
on
here
right.
There
is
one
kind
of
holistically:
does
the
community
kind
of
share
this,
this
vision
that
rooney
has
presented
and
then,
on
the
other
hand,
writer?
What
does
this
vision
entail?
I
think
we
need
to
map
out
more.
What
are
the
tangible
steps,
almost
kind
of
like
a
an
imaginary
road
map?
If
you
will
right
of
what
are
the
things
that
you
know
we
can
you
know
the
dao
can
do
immediately
and
what
are
the
things
right?
E
Yeah,
what
that's
where
I
I
slightly
disagree
right.
So
the
problem
is,
it
will
take
us
way
too
much
time
way
too
long
to
to
agree
on
you
know
if
you
want
to
like
ride
up
a
road
map
of
like
20
milestones
or
something
right.
It's
it's
going
to
take
us
forever
to
agree
on
the
20
milestones
and
the
uncertainty
that
will
yeah
the
uncertainty
will
will
result
in
like
korean
is
not
knowing
what
to
do
it.
It
will
contribute
to
confusion
about,
as
I
said
like
what.
E
What
is
what
is
maker
all
about?
What
is
our?
What
is
the
perception
of
you
know
the
the
the
core
of
the
project,
so
by
laying
that
foundation
and
agreeing
on
the
number
of
key
principles,
and
just
recognizing
that
we,
you
know,
we
don't
have
the
specifics
yet,
but
these
are
the
principles
that
we
we
want
to
share,
that
we
want
to
to
gather
around
and
and
and
that
we
will
work
out
a
roadmap
that
goes
in
in
the
direction
of
those
principles.
E
I
I
think
that
that
could
create
the
context
where
we
can.
You
know
we
can
get
to
the
point
where
we
productively
inconstructively
like
work
on
on
actual
deliverables
and
then
indeed,
then
we
need
to
start
looking
into
what
is
short
term.
You
know
what
can
we
do
in
the
in
the
medium
term
and
then
the
really
long
term
goals,
but
sending
that
that
strong
signal
first,
I
I
really
think
that
that
that
would
be
a
good
step
to
take,
because
it
will
create
a
lot
of
clarity.
E
E
Let's
confirm
that
in
a
vote
and
the
mpr
holders
that
don't
agree
with
it
and
that
are
maybe
just
you
know
sitting
it
out
and
seeing
if
it
will
actually
pass
well,
you
know,
let's
just
give
them
a
reality
check
and
not
not
not
leave
them
hanging
right
and
those
who
want
to
join
because
of
this
new
principle.
Let's
give
them
the
opportunity
to
join
for
it,
so
I
think
the
yeah
my
suggestion,
the
five
principles
of
the
clean
money
principle.
E
It
will
be
a
reality
check
for
people
and
and
those
who
disagree
that
they
should
they
should
probably
yeah.
They
should
probably
go
their
own
way,
but
those
who
who
agree
with
this
they're
very
welcome
to
join
right.
So
I
I
think
within
that
framework,
then
it's
a
matter
of
starting
to
think
about.
You
know
what
what
would
do
milestones
be
and
how
do
we
organize
as
the
governance
framework
of
there
and
so
on,
to
get
these
pieces
in
place
so
yeah?
D
One
thing
to
add
is
the
perfect
way
to
do
this,
I
think,
would
be
to
try
to
replace
the
old
foundation
principles
right,
which
pretty
much
everyone
forgot,
but
in
a
sense
you
can
really
create
it.
It
could
be
sort
of
a
really
a
kind
of
a
choice
between
sticking
with
your
own,
the
old
principles,
basically
or
switching
to
sort
of
a
new
sort
of
upgrading
them,
because
actually
the
old
that
original
framework
even
sort
of
includes
this
possibility
that
it
will
be
changed
in
the
future
by
by
governance.
C
I
think
also
like
this
comes
against
a
lot
of
conversations
in
the
last
six
months
to
a
year
about
maker,
dao's,
brand
direction
kind
of
being
loose
and
undefined,
and-
and
you
know
who
sets
it,
how
we
determine
it
like
that,
you
know
so
this
proposal
is
coming.
You
know
with
that
as
a
backdrop,
so
I
I
definitely
think
that
you
know
how
we
treat.
This
will
also
affect
us
as
a
brand,
how
we
re-refresh
or
redesign
those
principles
is
gonna
affect
how
makers
optics.
C
B
So
my
memory
is
a
little
foggy,
but
I
seem
to
remember
the
original
foundation.
Principles
were
like.
I
mean
they
were
long
long,
but
it
was
like
a
page
or
something
right:
yeah,
yeah
yeah.
I
know
that
fight,
but
it
was
like
they
were,
like
a
paragraph.
Wasn't
a
creature
right.
So
is
someone
volunteering
to
write
these
up
as
like
as
a
new
set
of
principles,
or
are
we
gonna
go
with
like
sentences.
C
Yeah,
the
first
ones
were
easy
because
it
was
like
the
foundation
was
the
obvious
person
or
entity
to
like
propose
those,
but
now
that
we
have
like
a
bunch
of
decentralized
core
units,
I
don't
know
I'm
happy
to
partner
with
anybody
who
feels
that
they
are.
You
know
particularly
driven
to
rewrite
these
and
refresh
these.
B
B
B
Well,
I
mean
this
is
the
weekly
process,
but
the
polls
are
up
for
like
three
days
right.
So
it's
like
is
that
long
enough
to
vote
on
something?
That's
like
a
massive
change
of
direction.
I
would
argue
no,
like,
I
think,
they're,
like
too
short
as
it
is
for
like
most
things,
that
we
do
to
be
honest,
but.
E
We
can,
we
can
stack
it
a
little
bit
right,
so
I
think
you
can
start
with
the
with
a
simple
forum,
pull
or
or
a
signal
request,
and
that
would
already
set
the
tone
and,
and
then
you
know
the
final
confirmation
yeah
that
that
could
be
a
little
later.
I
don't,
I
don't
think,
that's
an
issue.
I
think
that
the
point
is
like
starting
with
this
as
soon
as
possible
and
like
having
right
right.
Okay,
so
I
think
having
this
the
question
on
the
table
as
soon
as
possible,
right.
B
D
Yeah,
okay,
I
think
it's
absolutely
crucial
that
we
really
sort
of
follow
the
pro
I
mean.
If
we're
talking
about
like
replacing
the
foundation
principles,
we
absolutely
have
to
follow
the
process
completely
and
not
just
that
kind
of
like
take
additional
steps
to
really
you
know
I
mean
I,
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
I've
noticed
is
that
there
are
a
few
like
there
are
posts
from
people.
That
basically
say
you
know
what
the
I'm
out
right.
D
D
You
know
who
and
how,
how
many,
essentially
all
right
you
know,
are
actually
against
us
right
so
that
they're
they're
given
a
voice,
essentially
because
that's
that's
funny.
If,
if
we're
gonna
move
on
and
be
like
look
we
we,
you
know,
we've
decided
to
do
this
and
that's
what
what
has
what
the
community
has
decided.
We
have
to
actually
know
that
there
really
wasn't.
You
know
there
wasn't
some
kind
of
of
silent
majority
or
something
like
that
right
and
and
yeah.
D
Just
it's
just
so
important
I
mean,
and
another
thing
is
we
also
have
to
really
all
right
like
it
can't
just
be
like
roon
writes
wall
of
text,
and
everyone
gives
stamp
of
approval
right.
We
need
to
sort
of.
There
has
to
be
an
element
of
like,
and
I
actually
think
I
think
it's
like.
I
think,
what's
already
been
going
on
now,
where
now
we're
talking
about
these
principles
and
all
this
stuff
right,
which
I
wasn't
talk,
which
I
didn't
talk
about
at
all
in
the
beginning,
I
mean
that's,
I
I
didn't
have.
D
I
didn't
consider
that
at
all
at
first,
but
there
has
to
be
this
kind
of
processing
in
a
sense
in
the
dao
right,
so
that
it
turns
from
being
just
me
coming
with
a
wall
of
text
and
and
now
that's
it,
but
it's.
It
has
to
be
me.
Basically
writing
a
bunch
of
ideas,
inspiring
others
to
then
sort
of
chew
on
those
ideas
and
come
out
with
their
own
things.
Right
and
then,
if
what
happens
is
everyone
starts
to
come
out
with
a
kind
of
a
logic
that
ultimately
seems
to
align?
B
A
C
Also,
while
people
think
of
their
comments
and
last
thoughts,
I
would
like
to
plug
that
our
summary
team,
which
creates
snippets
transcribed
summaries
editorial
summaries
of
public
calls
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to
join
so
we're
looking
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we're
we're
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for
people
to
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work.
It's
part
time.
It
pays
and
reach
out
to
me
or
artem.
If
you're
interested
in
getting
your
foot
in
the
door
at
maker.
F
I
I
always
tell
you
about
this,
but
if
you
go
to
to
argentina
like
die,
is
is
a
common
currency
there
and
people
are
saving
and
die.
So
after
that,
and
and
and
this
is
for
real,
I
I
experienced
how
different
stable
coins
and
defy
protocols
and
crypto
projects
were
paying
more
attention
and
tried
to
create
solutions
for
this
problem.
F
So,
with
these
new
objectives
that
we
are
proposing,
I
I
feel
that
we
can
also
make
a
difference,
and
not
just
in
this
financial
aspect
but
like
in
a
more
broad
aspect,
that
is,
climate
change
and
how
this
will
affect
people's
lives
in
the
future.
So
I'm
pretty
sure
that
if
we
like
a
move
towards
this
objective,
doing
like
real
concrete
things
did
will
this
will
be
the
first
step
and
others
will
follow,
and
I
think
that's
that's.
That's
great
and
amazing.
D
D
Then,
of
course,
the
argument
I
think
is
it
could
also
be
made
this
basically
because
climate
change
is
going
to
dominate
everything
then,
like
financial
inclusion
in
the
future
world
is,
is
mostly
going
to
focus
on
financial
inclusion
when
it
comes
to
being
able
to
use
finance
to
protect
yourself
from
from
the
outcome
of
climate
change,
for
instance,
that's
kind
of
you
know
like
that.
That
might
itself
actually
be
the
one
of
the
best
ways
to
to
follow
that
principle,
but
yeah.
I
just
I
feel,
like
that's
really
important,
that
we
don't.
D
We
can
sort
of
kind
of
like
right,
like
turn
our
backs
on
the
fact
that
we've
had
this
incredible
success
in
argentina,
and
this
potentially
still
exists
that
you
know,
and
especially
in
the
worst,
would
be
if
it's
sort
of
it.
It's
perceived
that
oh,
we
tried
it
and
we
we
failed
or
something,
or
we
gave
up
on
that
right
like
that,
because
that
certainly
certainly
don't
think.
That's
the
case,
and
I
think
also
like
when
we
get
things
like
l2
and
so
on.
D
We
can
really
get
back
in
the
game
to
a
certain
extent
right,
and
we
can
there's
going
to
be
this
whole
new
universe
of
of
doing
financial
inclusion
and
and
dealing
with
the
last
smile,
even
as
a
dao
and
so
on.
But
arguably
it's
not
like
what
we
can
do
when
it
comes
to
actual
systemic
push
for
climate
action
that
that
I
mean
like,
like
I
said
earlier,
it's
the
thing
everyone
needs
to
consider
sort
of
when
whenever
they
pretty
much
do
any
kind
of
work.
In
my
opinion,.