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In this installment of the weekly discussion revolving around the latest news and topics on Microsoft 365, hosts – Vesa Juvonen (Microsoft) | @vesajuvonen and Waldek Mastykarz (Microsoft) | @waldekm, are joined by are joined by Vienna, Austria based Office Development MVP - Stefan Bauer (N8D) | @StfBauer. The trio discusses building apps and pages with human semantics and accessibility in mind by design and development experts working together. Learn about Stefan Bauer’s company, design approach and his extensible open-source design tools – hTWOo. Microsoft and PnP Community delivered 13 articles in the last week! This session was recorded on Monday, March 28, 2022.
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A
A
You
know
important
things:
stefan
is
a
really
realistic
on
on
specialists
on
the
design,
languages
and
design
and
html
and
css
levels.
So
really-
and
we
focus
on
that
discussion
with
him
and
the
staff
what
he
has
been
done
with
h2o,
which
is
a
design
open
source
design
model
on
top
of
microsoft,
fluid
fluent
flight.
A
A
C
Yeah
I
live
in
vienna
here.
My
name
is
from
austria,
I'm
an
office
development
mep.
My
company
is
named
nhd
and
n8
because
it's
knight
or
nacht
in
german-
and
so
we
have
the
language
again
and
the
d
is
for
design
and
development,
so
it
because
previously,
when
it
was
employed
in
companies,
I
did
all
the
regular
business
stuff
during
the
day
and
all
the
cool
stuff
and
fun
stuff
during
the
night
right.
So
I
said
it
would
be
nice.
A
A
C
I
mean
there
there's
some
things
that
is
in
common
between
design
and
development
right,
and
this
is
problem
solving
the
designer
solves
problems
with
the
user
interface
or
the
interaction
that
the
human
has
with
the
computer.
While
the
developer
solves
problems
with
code
which
builds
functionality
that
never
existed
before,
and
so
that
that's
my
understanding
why
design
and
development
works
pretty
well
together
and
especially
if
they
work
together
in
a
team
where
one
takes
the
design
part-
and
there
is
a
good
communication
between
designer
and
developer,
then
both
sides
can
profit
from
this
right.
C
The
developer
more
gets
a
design
insight
from
from
designer,
while
the
designer
gets
more
insight.
What
is
really
technical
possible?
What
you
can
do
with
it
is
it
possible
that
we
have
to
design
it
in
that
way
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
So
I
think
nowadays
with
responsive
web
design
and
with
all
the
different
applications
that
we
have
running
on
different
devices.
It's
really
crucial
that
designer
and
developer
were
close
together.
A
B
C
There
were
a
lot
front,
page,
no
home
site
and
dreamweaver,
and
all
this
stuff,
where
you
had
some
sort
of
visibility
or
that
help
you
to
build
your
websites
right.
We
have,
I
guess
it
was
html
3.2,
with
the
transition
to
html,
4.0,
ie3,
ie3
stuff,
like
that
i5
and
so
on,
and
what
we
got
with
html4
was.
C
The
first
thing
was
css,
which
then
really
separated
the
thing
that
we
have
on
one
hand
we
have
html
and
how
it
looks
and
feels
we
have
css
to
make
the
whole
all
design
over
there
like
in
the
3.2.
We
had
even
tags,
like
font
tags,
where
you
then
can
specify
comic
sense
on
certain
elements
or
headlines,
which
was
then
a
complete
mess
between
design
and
and
the
structure
of
the
page
and
now
with
html
and
css,
once
they
were
separated.
It
was
it
really.
A
C
C
A
B
C
Build
something
pen
and
paper
on
a
because
there
is
nothing
even
further
faster
than
that
and
then
once
I
have
the
base
idea
how
to
build
something.
Then
I
directly
into
html
in
css
yeah,
and
I
mean
it's
when
when
you
build
something
in
html
and
css,
the
first
thing
what
I
do
there,
I
don't
worry
about
that
much
to
have
it
in
a
structured
way.
C
B
So
there
are
two
things
that
I
want
to
ask
like.
First
one
goes
back
to
what
we
said
that
over
the
course
of
years
we've
seen
or
with
the
advent
of
css,
we
saw
the
separation
of
expressing
the
documents
or
web
pages
semantic,
meaning
and
the
way
it
looks
like
right
so
html,
mel
being
the
first
one,
css
being
the
ui
part
yeah.
But
then
over
the
course
of
years.
B
We
also
have
seen
things
like
bootstrap
and
other
things
that
are
kind
of
like
the
css
youtube
class,
or
I
don't
know
like
there
is
specific
name
for
a
a
class
that
expresses
the
exact
ui
as
opposed
to
meaning.
So
in
other
words,
you
kind
of
again
mix
and
match
semantic
meaning
of
a
document
with
the
ui
in
a
document,
but
then
through
css.
So
you
kind
of
go
the
other
way
back.
How
do
you
feel
about
that?
I
wonder.
C
Yeah
I
mean,
if
think
about,
bootstrap
who
scripted
it's
pretty
I
mean
you
have
to
just
the
semantic.
Meaning
is
more
for
the
people
right,
html
doesn't
really
care
about
the
semantic
meaning
what
it
has,
but
when
I
want
to
build
a
button
and
want
to
start
something
as
a
button
and
what
is
common,
that
some
people
might
design
a
hyperlink
that
looks
like
a
button,
so
you
have
for
the
humans.
C
You
have
these
these,
these
semantic
meanings
to
the
html,
while
the
browser
doesn't
really
care
how
it's
rendered
right
and
there
I
mean
other
frameworks
like
tail
and
also
go
a
different
way.
They
have
utility
classes
and
you
can
build
everything
from
scratch
out
which
is
pretty
proficient
for
someone
who
doesn't
is.
Is
that
aware
with
css,
because
what
you
can
do
in
tailwind,
for
example,
you
can
say:
okay,
this
is
my
html.
C
This
must
here
and
I
added
all
these
classes,
but
then
I
can
compile
out
directly
from
the
source
code
from
the
html
source
code
and
the
css
proper
class
names
and
optimize
the
css
in
this
way
right.
So
it
gives
you
much
more
flexibility,
but
it's
it's
it's
at
the
end
of
the
day.
What
you
want
to
have
you
want
to
have
this,
especially
when
you
build
a
design
system
which
is
fluent
ui
is
then
you
want
to
have
the
semantic
meanings
to
it
and
whatever
you
need
there.
C
Yes
or
it's
a
spam,
and
there
is,
for
example,
if
you
want
to
create
a
card
layout,
the
proper
way
or
the
most
people
do
it.
So
they
have
the
cards
in
a
section
which
section
html
element,
but
then
you
won't
use
the
section
html
tag
in
your
css,
because
you
shouldn't
do
this,
so
you
should
add
card
container
or
something
like
that
to
it.
C
B
A
Now
I
later
on,
that's
actually
the
h1
changes
and
all
of
that
and
then
how
would?
How
would
you
know
how
would
people
know
the
the
the
meaning
and
impact
and
how
they
should
be
done
because
again,
you're
you're
talking
about
this
in
a
fluent
way,
because
you
don't
need
to
really
think
about
not
fluent
way
in
the
fluent
way
us
in
the
microsoft
point.
But
but
then
you
don't
need
to
think
about
the
reasoning
and
and
where
this
is
coming,
you
just
know.
But
how
would
another
person
know.
C
You
are
now
currently
on
an
article
like
the
voiceover
that
you
that
you
get
from
screen
readers
right
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
I
mean
you
can't
build
html,
html
and
css
doesn't
really
care
about
how
you
build
things,
but
might
other
people
that
are
visually
impaired?
Have
other
limitations
might
care
how
you
have
built
this
to
get
the
proper
highlighting.
C
So,
for
example,
when
you
have
a
button-
and
it
just
says,
tells
you
hey
you're
currently
on
a
hyperlink,
then
this
is
wrong
because
it's
actually
works
and
acts
like
a
button
yeah.
So
the
the
user,
who
is
not
able
to
see
the
user
interface,
get
a
completely
different
idea
where
they
are
at
the
moment.
B
So
so
what
what?
What
tools
would
you
recommend,
because
it's,
I
think
for
a
big
part
it's
caused
by,
or
I
can
imagine
that
it's
caused
by
a
lack
of
awareness.
It's
basically
the
same
thing
like
you.
Don't
pay
attention
to
it
at
all
when
you're
on
a
street
when
you're
in
a
building
when
you
need
to
cross
a
road
until
you
break
your
leg
and
you
cannot
walk,
you
need
to
use
a
cane
or
a
wheelchair
or
you
have
like.
You
cannot
see
things
for
a
reason.
Only
then
you
get
to
experience.
B
You
know
like
how
people
who
don't
have
the
full
abilities
experience
world
right.
So
it's
kind
of
this.
You
know
this
moment
when
you
get
to
experience
yourself
only
because
you're
exposed
to
it
only
then
you
become
aware
of
the
different
things
like
things
that
aren't
made
to
be
accessible
for
everybody.
So
how
would
you
what
tools
or
resources
would
you
recommend
to
everybody
who
builds
on
the
web
or
build
apps
to
really
experience
how
other
people
see
and
experience
things
so
that
they
are
aware
when
they
build
things?
C
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
change
in
there
of
what
you
can
do
and
it's
really
convenient
back
in
the
past.
You
had
to
really
use
certain
tools
to
actually
show
if
it's
a
success
ability
it's
accessible,
but
now
you
have
all
these
tools
baked
into
your
browser,
so
the
latest
edge
version
ship,
something
for
example,
that
allows
you
to
flip
the
complete
website
into
high
contrast
mode
directly
in
the
browser
which
you
normally
do
on
a
windows.
C
But
I
work
mostly
on
a
mac,
so
I
couldn't
do
this,
but
now,
with
with
microsoft
edge,
I'm
able
to
switch
into
a
high
contrast
mode
and
firefox
has
tools.
That
shows
you
exactly
how
the
page
looks
like
when
you're
visually,
impaired
or
colorblind,
like
my
son,
is
for
example,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
tools
already
baked
in
into
the
into
the
browser,
because
the
whole
industry
is
all
about.
C
A
C
Yes,
it's
I
mean
it's
it's
for
a
couple
of
years.
I
mean
the
first.
The
first
time
I
I
was
confronted
with
accessibility
was
when
I
was
working
in
linz
in
my
hometown
in
for
for
a
company
for
a
government
company
right.
So
it's
always
there,
but
we
should
really
have
the
awareness
that
you
have
to
build
something
accessibility.
C
It
was
really
nice
thing
when,
when
we
built
out
the
website-
and
then
we
were
going
to
the
university
in
lenz
and
had
someone
check
our
accessibility
on
the
website,
which
was
built
on
html
3.2
right,
the
really
old
version-
and
there
was
one
guy
there
who
had
was
blind-
and
we
checked
our
websites
about
accessibility
and
solar
things
that
we
can
improve
there
and
they
said
and
by
the
way
the
colors
doesn't
match
to
each
other.
You
have
a
blue
and
the
yellow
there.
You
should
use
other
colors
right.
C
So
don't
think
because
just
someone
cannot
see
he
doesn't
recognize
what
colors
you
use
there,
because
it
just
did
it
all
came
down
to
mathematics.
So
he
did
the
math
there.
Okay,
this
color
codes
means
you
have
a
yellow
there
and
then
you
have
a
blue
there
and
the
whole
how
to
make
the
contrast
between
colors
are
all
based
on
formulas
right,
and
so
it
was
directly
able
to
say.
C
So
we
we
had
a
session
at
microsoft
at
some
point
where
someone
who
showed
us
how
he
use
how
he
use
he
was
blind
and
how
he
used
tools
and
and
applications
throughout
his
day,
and
he
showed
us
here
he
does
the
voiceover
on
his
phone,
but
in
a
speed
that
you
could
never
imagine,
so
he
turned
up
the
speed
with
the
voiceover
completely
to
the
end
super
fast.
He
was
recognized
just
to
the
mumbling
voices
that
he
hears.
Okay.
This
is
a
button
this
this
this
right
because
he's
so
used
to
it.
C
So
you
can
never
imagine
it
how
how
it
is
really
when
you
have
some
disabilities
and
even
I
got
mine,
I
have
now
classes
and
you're-
probably
not
very
aware
of
this
and
during
the
corona
virus
crisis.
I
was
at
some
point.
I
haven't
seen
that
good
anymore
and
couldn't
concentrate
and
then
it
was
going
to
a
doctor
and
he
said
yeah
guess
what
you're
farsighted
all
your
life.
A
You
all
of
a
sudden
find
out
this
new
world,
which
is
like,
oh,
my
god,
with
this
class,
oh
wow,
and
then
that
it's
almost
like
the
as
long
as
the
data
accessibility
into
account
in
the
experience
designs
in
a
website
and
and
software,
then
those
people
who
have
these
disabilities.
They
can
actually
then
see
the
world
in
a
different
way
because
we're
taking
them
into
account
so
yeah
and.
C
Those
drop
downs
that
you
have
out
of
the
box
are
built
in
a
in
in
a
way
that
they
are
accessible
by
default,
but
you
cannot
design
them
and
then
you,
if
you
want
to
really
create
a
drop
down
box
custom,
then
you
have
to
build
a
lot
of
code
out
there,
and
then
you
write
a
lot
of
javascript
to
make
it
accessible
back
again,
so
it's
they're
their
tendencies
to
go
into
future.
So
we
have
this
form.
C
We
have
designs
for
the
form
elements
as
well
in
an
accessible
way,
but
and
and
that
we
can
override
the
styling
there.
Better-
and
there
is
one
group
together
with
with
microsoft
and
google,
which
is
the
open,
open,
ui
platform,
where
they
compare
different
variants.
What
is
out
there,
what
have
the
people
build
and
and
and
how
we
can
bake
this,
then
into
our
browsers
to
have
it
accessibility
and
give
also
the
designer
to
be
able
to
to
design
the
controls
in
in.
A
Now
related
on
designing
and
related
on
accessibility,
of
course
in
mind,
then
then
there
are
design
languages
and
design
tooling
available,
which
people
actually
build
on
top
of
the
the
rules
and
guidances
and
everything
else.
So
if
you
think
about
from
microsoft
site
we've
been
releasing
office
ui
fabric
while
back
and
then
the
microsoft
fluent
game,
can
you
talk
about
being
on
on?
A
C
Mean
what
what
what
we
did
back
in
the
past
to
sharepoint
and
other
office
applications
that
really
we
built
our
so
many
things
and
ended
up
the
design
in
so
many
ways,
and
sometimes
it
was
broken
as
well.
So
what
microsoft
tries
to
give
us
was
fluent
ui
and
started
which
started
with
office.
You
have
fabric
to
have
a
consistent
design
language
that
we
can
integrate
into
sharepoint
and
office.
365
applications
that
that's
basically
what
it
is.
C
So
it's
the
the
way
of
microsoft,
giving
us
doing
to
have
a
seamless
integration
into
their
ecosystem,
which
is,
is
pretty
cool,
but
the
problem
is
we,
the
the
current
state
of
fluent
ui
is
that
we
have
react
controls.
We
have
web
components,
we
have
a
lot
of
frameworks
and
the
off
also
they
have
tools
for
for
the
windows,
ecosystem
for
the
desktop
applications
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
C
C
We
have
now
different
frameworks
for
microsoft
teams
for
still
and-
and
so
you
really
need
to
know
your
target
platform,
what
you
want
to
build
there,
but
from
a
design
system
perspective
I
would
rather
have
an
html
and
css,
which
is
the
boilerplate
and
can
transform
it
into
any
other
language.
You
want
to
write
your
application
in.
B
C
I
guess
it
was
a
timely
manner
how
this
happened,
because
you
have
to
have
people
that
write
the
htm
balances
as
fast
and
properly
and
have
also
that
this
comes
down
to
the
communication
to
the
to
the
communication
between
designer
developers.
Right,
so
you
have
the
designer
who
said
we
need
to
have
this
one,
and
can
you
build
me
a
react
application
out
of
it?
Yeah
super
can
do
it,
but
it
doesn't
have
any
longevity
to
it.
C
So
you
you
build
the
application,
let
it
run
and
then
you
rewrite
it
from
scratch
again
when
you,
when
the
design
changes
right
with
html
and
css,
you
have
really
the
boilerplate.
That
is
easy
to
adapt.
You
see
exactly
where
it
breaks.
There
is
no
fancy
tooling
to
it,
but
you
see
how
the
button
looks
like
if
you
change
this
variable
and
this
variable
in
your
css,
which,
if
you
have
everything
in
a
react
application,
you
have
the
react
application
and
that's
it
right.
B
A
Who
knows
now,
maybe
now
now,
as
part
of
then
this
design
and
as
part
of
this
html
discussion,
what
we're
having
right
now
we're
kind
of
guiding
towards
the
to
the
the
project
which
you
established
as
microsoft.
Didn't
have
an
html
and
css
for
microsoft
fluent
and
can
can
you
talk
about
a
bit
about
what
did
you
do
to
address
this.
C
Yeah
I
started
h2o
because
I
wanted
to
have
an
html
and
css
version
of
the
fluent
ui
framework
and
I
have
this
method,
which
is
atomic
design,
which
was
coined
by
brett
frost.
The
way
you
have
smaller
components.
That
then
adds
up
to
bigger
components
like
molecules,
two
organisms,
and
then
they
live
on
page
and
templates.
C
So
I
really
built
the
the
the
whole
components,
the
buttons
and
everything
you
see
there
from
smaller
components
and
to
bigger
ones
right,
and
this
gives
me
a
way
to
write
this
html
into
proficient,
because
I
you
see,
you
don't
build
so
where,
for
example,
if
you
have
a
button
and
a
split
button
with
a
flyout
menu,
you
see
just
this
one
with
different
style
information
attached
to
it
and
hey.
I
already
have
the
button
design.
I
don't
need
to
rewrite
it
again.
A
C
You
want
to
limit
the
page
size,
the
size
of
the
page
as
small
as
possible,
so
you
and
also
the
thing
is
I
mean
we.
We
love
this
front-end
development,
but
to
be
honest,
it's
first,
the
html,
then
the
css
loads
and
then
at
some
point
the
really
later
the
the
javascript
comes
yeah
in
and
you
can
give
so
when
when
I
mean
the
network
become
faster
and
faster,
but
you
want
to
give
the
user
a
really
good
experience,
so
you
shouldn't
wait
until
all
the
javascripts
are
initialized.
B
C
Yeah
they're
cool
things
that
you
can
avoid
now
with
all
these
moving
parts
you
can
define.
For
example,
I
mean
what
you
have
now
out
of
the
boxes.
You
can
lazy
load
images
so
just
by
slapping
on
an
attribute
which
means
loading
lazy,
which
then
makes
everything
to
the
browser
which
is
more
proficient
to
actually
optimize
your
website
or
what
you
also
can
define.
You
can
define
on
images
like
an
aspect
ratio,
so
this
image
is
16.9
and
what
then
the
browser
does
it?
C
A
Coming
back
on
h2o
yeah,
so
the
hto
and
you
basically
created
that
and
then
we
had
julia
on
the
show
as
a
visitor
for
a
few
weeks
back,
we
talked
about
the
h2o
react.
Can
can
you
talk
about
the?
Why
did
that
happen?
What's
happening?
What
are
the
next
steps
and,
on
those
things,
sorry
jumping
from
a
timing
perspective
yeah?
We.
C
No,
I
mean
I
built
the
hl
or
react,
and
2
is
working
mostly
in
h2o.
Core
and
true
is
working
mostly
in
h2o
react
right.
So
what
we
have
now
from
a
workflow
perspective,
I
built
everything
out
in
html
and
css
and
what
she
does
she
was
h2o
react.
She
just
wraps
my
html
and
css
into
react,
controls
that
the
user
then
can
use
in
their
favorite
framework
right,
which
area
is
really
convenient.
C
So
what
I
really
try
is
also
to
have
a
complete
documentation
of
all
the
things
that
we
see
throughout
our
daily
lives
on
office
365,
so
that
other
developer
think
hey.
I
want
to
use
the
exact
same
experience,
but
I
have
different
data
or
I
need
to
remove
something
that
they
can
just
pick
the
boilerplate
and
and
modify
it
in
that
way.
B
So
well
one
thing
I
want
to
ask,
because
you
mentioned
a
while
back
that
with,
and
the
libraries
like
fluent
office,
ui
fabric
and
the
libraries
for
your
four
teams.
You
need
to
know
the
experience
for
which
you're
going
to
build
the
app
or
to
extend
so
that
you
can
style
it.
Is
that
still
the
case
for
h2o
or
is
h2o
really
the
one
size
fits
all
across
all
experiences
in
365.
C
C
So
you
the
the
theme
that
you're
actually
seeing
on
h2o
core
on
the
documentation.
There
is
just
defined,
I
mean
the
boilerplate
is
the
microsoft
office,
365
theme
stuff,
and
then
I
transferred
it
into
css
variables.
But
I
also
have
currently
hidden
is
a
team
style
sheet
or
a
c
seems
definition,
a
team's
definition
of
the
purple,
the
black
theme
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
the
idea
is
to
have
it.
Switchable.
C
Also
h2o
works
perfectly
fine
in
in
applications
like
teams,
because
it
get
directly
the
context
out
of
spfx
where
it's
running
in
and
then
we
get
different
colors
there,
which
is
a
plus,
and
you
don't
need
to
write
hey.
I
write
this
for
for
sharepoint
and
view
it
on
the
sharepoint
page
and
also
write
this
and
here
than
teams,
so
it
directly
gets
the
correct
colors
right.
B
Perfect,
yes,
so
as
such,
it
also
saves
developers
a
lot
of
work
because
they
don't
need
to
build
multiple
uis.
They
just
haven't.
They
just
add
this
one
thing
and
then
based
on
the
context
they
can
infer
or
the
the
library
itself
will
actually
infer
how
the
app
is
supposed
to
look
like
within
the
context
right,
yeah.
C
C
B
A
A
A
A
C
I
I
mean
yeah,
it's
it's
difficult
from
which
angle
you're
coming
right
and
I
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
some
developers
out
there
which
doesn't
use
fluid
ui
at
all,
because
they
cannot
build
what
they
actually
want
to
build.
They
use
something
different
like
bootstrap
or
tailwind,
or
something
like
that,
because
they
are
so
used
to
these
classes
that
they
have
there.
C
But
what
I
want
to
give
with
h2o
is
this
regular
web
developer
that
came
into
the
microsoft
office,
365
ecosystem
the
possibility
to
have
a
faster
curve
to
adapt
their
applications,
their
extensions,
what
they
want
to
have
in
there
right
and
then
you
should
go
for
h2o
or
if
you
have
some
troubles
or
need
some
components
that
are
not
included
in
in
office.
Your
fluent
ui
at
the
moment,
but
I
have
it
because
there
exist
somewhere
in
the
office.
C
365
ecosystem-
is
what
we
are
working
towards,
then
happy
to
use
it
out
of
h2o
and
it
it
doesn't
even
mean
that
you
have
to
decide
one
or
the
other,
because
you,
if
I
just
want
to
have,
for
example,
the
card
layouts
of
h2o,
then
you
can
use
the
card
layouts
and
for
all
the
buttons
and
rest
you
use
office,
ui,
fluent
ui.
The
official
implementation.
A
C
C
Because
hey
I
use
this
all
the
time
right.
It
doesn't
only
meet
that
you
can
develop
html
and
css,
but
just
let
us
know
what
you're
missing,
what
you're
missing
a
fluent
ui
framework
and
if
you
want
to
add
your
html
stuff
there
or
have
components
that
you
use
in
all
your
projects
which
are
not
compliant
with
the
office.
You
are
fluent
your
framework,
then
happy
to
accept
submissions
from
anyone
in
the
community
out
there.
A
A
About
two
hours
in
this
podcast
in
a
video
recording
really
nice
background
by
the
way
we
talked
about
that
one
already
so
make
sure
that
the
real
owner
of
the
room
doesn't
know
that
you
were
there
so
yeah,
that's
really
good,
but
thank
you,
stefan
and
thank
you
we'll
be
watching
and
we'll
be
following
up
on
your
journey
for
sure
in
the
bmp
weekly
and
article
site
as
well
cheers
bye
and
welcome
back.
So
after
the
interview.
Thank
you.
A
A
So,
but
stefan
is
really
cool
person
to
work
with
as
well,
when
you
have
him
as
a
design
person,
because
then
you
as
a
developer,
can
focus
on
the
implementation
technology,
which
is
actually
a
great
way
of
doing
things,
because
nowadays
that's
exactly
what
we
do
in
microsoft
as
well.
So
we
have
a
separate
design
organization,
engineering
organization
and
bm
organization.
It's.
A
Yes,
yes,
and
indeed
indeed,
but
it's
if
you're
thinking
about
how
stuff
have
evolved
from
way
way
way
back.
I
think
there
are
more
specifics
as
experts
on
specific
areas,
because
it
used
to
be
like
an
advertisement
agency
and
then
they
came
up
with
something
hey.
Here's
a
psd
file
make
this
happen
and
the
developer
is
like
yeah,
but
but
I.
B
Think,
to
be
honest,
I
think
that
that
didn't
change,
I
think,
there's
there
are
still
companies
that
thrive.
You
know
on
this
idea
on
the
side
of
more
creative
concepts
as
it's
called,
and
then
they
will
brief
the
customers
like
yes,
I
won't
like
they
will
fall
in
love
in
either
static,
html
or
dynamics,
something
and
then
you
implement
it
in
an
app
and
it's
like
it
doesn't
work.
Well,
yes,
because
it's
not
meant
to
it's
not
meant
for
this
medium.
You
know.
A
A
It
just
put
it
in
there
at
some
point.
We
were
doing
this
large
project
when
I
was
still
doing
filled
customer
projects,
and
there
was
this
moment
where
I
was
the
technical
lead
and
we
got
the
designs
and
we
basically
said
here's
the
designs
and
and
then
the
other
people
need
to
make
it
happen.
And
and
then
the
question
is
okay,
can
you
make
this
happen
and
so
here's
the
design
and
the
answer
is
yeah?
A
B
B
So
I
recall
doing
way
you
know,
like
crazy
workarounds,
to
think
about
how
you
can
implement
it,
maybe
even
to
the
point
where
we
kind
of
tore
apart
the
editing
experience
from
the
viewer
experience,
so
that
you
can
have
that
semantic
html,
while
at
the
same
time
having
this
rich,
rich,
editing
experience.
So
it's
really
interesting
to
see
how
the
pendulum
swings
over
time
and
where
we
are
now
and
where
we'll
be
in
the
next
few
years.
Yep
and.
B
A
And
even
though
you
whoever
is
watching
or
listening,
I
would
be
a
younger
person,
but
it's
actually
kind
of
it's.
It's
even
easier
to
think
about
it
in
a
way
that
sure
there
are
challenges
and
sure
there
are
new
things
to
learn.
But
at
some
point
you
start
realizing.
The
patterns
are
exactly
the
same,
so
we
introduce
new
technologies,
new
things,
new
new
low
code,
no
code,
just
the
designer
base
no
developer,
no
and
it
has
to
be,
and
it
just
the
patterns
are
exactly
the
same.
A
A
So
we
just
don't
talk
about
technology
and
opportunities
of
the
platform
of
things,
we're
actually
introducing
actual
content,
which
is
a
cool
add-on
value
for
sure.
On
these
things,
focusing
on
employable
worklife,
mass
well-being
and
summaries
and
those
things
references
on
all
of
the
new
articles.
So
really
nice
summary
article
referencing
on
how
we
do
things
and
what
are
the
latest
related
on
microsoft,
webinar,
so
great
work
on
that
now,
the
next
one
will
streamline
your
day
in
the
hybrid
workplace
with
workflow
and
microsoft.
Teams.
B
Exactly
so
for
a
while
now
already
we
have
the
isos,
our
automate
that
allows
you
to
build
flows
and
flows
are
basically
automated
steps
or
steps
to
help.
You
automate
tasks,
whether
it's
reacting
to
something
that's
changed.
Imagine
you
receive
an
email
and
you
want
to
auto
archive
it
or
triage
it
or
you
have
invite
for
an
event,
and
you
want
to
auto
accept
it
or
something
has
changed
or
maybe
based
on
whether
you
want
to
do
something
so
with
flow.
B
You
can
build
automations
and
now,
apparently,
you
can
also
create
flows
from
microsoft
teams,
and
that
makes
perfect
sense
because
we
spend
more
and
more
time
working
in
microsoft
teams.
So
why
not
that
being
the
place
from
which
you
can
orchestrate
and
automate
your
work?
So
why
would
he?
Why
would
you
go
to
somewhere
location,
another
tool
and
instead
you
can
create
flows
to
automate
and
enhance
your
work
directly
from
teams
yep.
A
A
Now
the
next
one
was
enable
management
of
content,
types
and
taxonomy
columns
from
modern
libraries
and
listviews,
and
this
is
from
freyja
ganguly,
and
this
really
around
the
fact
that
the
managed
metadata
fields
and
taxonomy
fields
are
getting
back
in
the
place
in
the
modern
sharepoint
experiences.
It's
actually
kind
of
a
sad
to
talk
about
it
as
a
modern
and
a
classic,
because
it's
already
five
years
since
we
introduced
in
quotes
to
modern
but
new
features,
new
capabilities
and
kind
of
a.
A
B
This
is
another
take
on
the
same
announcement:
the
ability
to
create
power,
automated
flows
from
inside
teams,
but
then
the
take
from
the
power
automate
teams
who
owns
flows
yeah.
So
definitely,
if
you
think
about
automating
your
work.
This
is
definitely
a
new
feature
interesting
for
for
you
to
ch
check
out
and
give
it
a
try
and
think
about
how
does
that
fit
in
the
flow
of
your
work?
Yep
the.
A
B
Yes,
so
what
if
you
could
get
in
teams
a
daily
inspirational
quote,
so
lee
forge
shows
how
you
can
build
that
or
a
way
to
build
that
in
microsoft
teams
you
would
build
a
bot
that
serves
you,
a
inspirational
quote
or
a
quote,
or
anything
that
you
might
want
to
get
within
with
an
interval
of
time.
So
he
walks
through
the
components
that
he
used.
Why
this
approach,
and
not
the
other
and
then
also
at
the
end,
there's
also
a
link
to
a
repo
github
repo
with
all
the
code
for
you
to
explore.
Yep.
A
Which
is
always
cool,
so
you
can
actually
go
to
the
code
level
and
have
a
look
on
things
if
you,
if
you
want
to
learn
how
it
has
been
built,
it's
a
really
really
cool
thing
for
sure.
So
thank
you.
Lee
on
dan
now
leon
armstrong
had
a
new
block
article.
I
relate
and
create
a
low
class
index
model
on
a
sharepoint
site,
so
you
would
not
create
a
tenant
level
syntax
model.
A
You
would
actually
create
a
local
syntax
model
and
specifically
on
a
sharepoint
site
talks
about
those
differences,
and
what
does
it
mean
and
how
do
you
make
those
things
happen
in
a
sharepoint
syntax
leon
has
been
really
focusing
on
the
sharepoint
index
and
depending
on
when
you're,
watching
or
listening.
This
show
he's
actually.
Turning
on,
I
think
it's
13
31st
of
march
so
within
few
days
to
the
live
demo
of
some
of
the
syntax
apps
in
the
community
called
as
well.
So
thank
you
leon
on
that
really
really
cool
stuff.
B
Correct
so
earlier,
or
actually,
when
we
record
this
last
week,
we
did
our
another
preview
version
of
cli
from
microsoft,
365
and
in
there
we
include
a
new
command
that
allows
you
to
validate
config
of
your
sharepoint
framework
project.
So
imagine
that
you
clone
a
repo.
You
get
code
from
somebody
else
or
you
did
something
and
it
doesn't
work.
You
get
an
error,
you
get
issues,
you
get
errors
like
typically,
the
first
step
we
recommended
up
until
now
is
go
to
github.com,
create
issue
on
the
sp
dev
docs
repo
and
we're
at
microsoft.
B
B
So
we
have
a
number
of
checks
that
we
implemented
in
a
tool
that
go
through
project
that
you
want
to
scan
and
comes
up,
comes
back
with
a
report
saying:
hey,
either
everything's
fine
and
we
don't
see
anything
odd
and
yet
maybe
you
still
have
an
issue,
and
for
that
you
will
still
create
an
issue
in
repo.
But
maybe
if
we
find
something,
then
we
can
say
hey.
We
found
these
few
things
that
seem
odd.
B
B
And
waiting
for
a
reply
like,
I
think
that
that
is
still
the
hardest
thing,
because
it's
it
literally
puts
you
on
side
trade
like
now.
You
have
to
wait
and
that
also
might
not
work
as
well
across
time
zones,
because
if
you
are
in
geography
that
is
you
know
evening
time
during
daytime
in
u.s.
Well,
then
you
it
might
take
a
day
or
two
before
you're
at
the
point
where
you
can
fix
it
right.
So
that
is
definitely
you
know
the
self-service
way
to
be
less
stuck.
A
Absolutely
absolutely
now,
moving
on
on
the
articles
and
daryl
as
a
service
on
dollar
webster
had
an
article
or
a
microsoft,
he's
apparently
for
service,
so
a
microsoft
loop
for
one-to-one
meetings
and
and
collaboration.
So
basically,
how
can
you
use
the
microsoft
loop
in
an
efficient
way
to
collaborate
for
one-to-one
meetings
and
and,
for
example,
good
notes
actually
related
on
pinning
and
discussions
and
bidding
things?
A
Let's
say:
live
agenda
and
summary
on
hey
last
time,
which
I
quickly
read
that
you
would
do
x
and
y
and
z
and
I'll
look
on
the
interesting
this
video
of
that.
So
having
that
easy
view
on
on
summaries,
so
really
really
cool
way
for
that
and
additional
notes
and
guidance
on
that.
Thank
you.
Daryl
on
that
really
really
cool
stuff,
then
heading
to
the
video
section,
we
had
a
new
video
from
paulo.
B
Yes,
in
which
he
discusses,
inviting
gas
users
in
sharepoint
online
via
power,
automate
flows
right.
So
when
you
work
across
orgs,
you
have
guests
in
your
tenant.
You
might
need
to
share
with
them
files,
folders
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
and
you
might
want
to
automate
that
so
as
opposed
to
I'm
creating
a
file,
and
I
want
to
share
that-
maybe
you
have
more
structured
way
like
you
work
in
projects,
you
have
contractors
and
then
just
like
a
part
of
the
way
your
company
works.
In
that
case,
you
would
automate
it.
B
You
would
express
that
in
process
and
paulo
shows
how
you
can
use
power,
automate
flows
to
create
folders,
share,
folders
and
so
forth,
and
so
on
to
automate
that
work
so
that
you
don't
need
to
have
a
word
doc
or
some
other
docs
click.
This
go
there
do
this,
do
these
specific
actions
like
no,
you
can.
You
can
automate
that
and
he
shows
exactly
how.
A
Really
cool
stuff.
Thank
you,
paulo
on
that
one,
and
then
there
was
a
new
video
from
juliano
de
luca
how
to
use
workflows
apps
in
microsoft,
teams
which
is
aligned
with
the
vertical
announcement
which
we
just
went
through
so
he's
working
walking
through
those
things,
nice
12
minutes
summary
on
showcasing
where
to
find
them
how
to
use
them
and
how
to
get
started
on
using
that
stuff.
This
is
my
heart.
English
is
so
hard.
English
is
product.
English,
okay,.
A
B
B
But
maybe
no
it's
not
no!
So
it's
more
about
collections,
so
you
have
a
collection
of
data
like
and
in
programming
terms
array,
and
then
how
can
you
get
things
like?
First
shuffle
random
group
things
buy
in
property
and
so
forth
and
so
on?
So
if
when,
if
you
build
apps
like
there's
it's
just
a
matter
of
time
before,
you
will
need
that
and
then
having
this
video
bookmarked
will
be
really
timely.
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
A
different
definition
when
the
when
the
snow,
when
there's
like
50
centimeters
or
one
meter
snow
and
whenever
the
snow
in
the
top
is
hard
enough,
so
you
can
walk
on
that
rather
than
it
fills
you
in
and
so
there's
a
different
kind
of
all
of
that
has
a
different
meaning,
because
then
you
know
that,
can
you
actually
walk
on
the
snow
or
not,
or
are
you
going
to
be
all
the
way
in
in
the
snow,
so
the
things
you'll
learn
anyway
anyway.
So
super
important?
A
A
B
B
Summit
to
be
able
to
take
part
of,
albeit
on
the
other
side,
but
really
interested
to
hear
the
latest
announcements
on
our
end
and
also
the
how
they're
being
perceived
by
mvps,
who
are
really
experts
in
their
field
and
bring
perspectives
from
the
customers
with
whom
they
work
their
experience
with
the
work
projects
that
they
do.
So
it's
always
invaluable,
at
least
to
me
to
hear
from
them
would
that
work?
Does
that
solve
problems
that
they
need?
Is
there
anything
else
that
we
need
to
take
into
account,
so
it's
gonna
be
interesting.
A
B
A
And
well
on
my
side,
we're
going
to
announce.
Finally,
the
public
availability,
rga
so
just
say
on
the
unified
sample
gallery:
that's
coming
out
this
week,
we've
been
pushing
that
and
showing
that
already
for
quite
a
long
time,
but
now
it's
ready
to
say
that
okay,
so
it's
good
enough,
it's
right!
It's
ready
and
we
keep
on
evolving
that,
but
it's
it's.
Actually
we
have
more
than
one
thousand
samples
already
there
and
people
can
easily
find
all
of
the
craft
samples
office,
samples,
microsoft
theme,
samples,
sharepoint
framework
example,
microsoft,
samples
and
scripts
as
well.
A
What
else
is
happening?
1.15?
We
should
have
a
new
version,
actually
only
1.15
or
sharepoint
framework,
so
the
beta
version,
together
with
the
first
public
version
of
the
list,
overriding
capabilities.
So
that's
what's
coming
out
this
week,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
which
just
make
sure
that
the
tutorial
is
out
there
as
well.
B
A
B
A
A
About
about
new
video
series,
one
video
per
day,
which
is
always
getting
started
on
x
and
y
and
z,
so
getting
started
on
using
x
or
y
and
z
and
or
doing
some
something
so
a
less
than
five
minute,
video,
always
on
a
new
area
of
microsoft,
365
and
how
to
get
started.
So
so
that's
something
what
we've
been
working
together
with
microsoft,
employees
and
mvps
for
a
while
and
and
now
it's
time
to
get
it
moving.
So.
B
A
Only
videos,
at
least
that
was
that,
basically
right,
so
it's
just
balancing
out
also
the
the
amount
of
announcements.
What
we're
doing
in
the
blog
posts,
which
we
didn't
have
that
many
announcements
in
the
developer
block
this
week,
though,
so
maybe
we
should
do
that
interesting
bombshell,
I
guess
that's
enough,
but
thank
you
everybody
for
watching
and
listening
this
time
I
will
be
back
with
the
episode
160
next
week.
Thank
you,
waldeg.
Thank
you.
Stephanie
have
a
great
rest
of
the
week.