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decisions
by
the
architects
review
board
are
final.
Any
aggrieved
parties
may
appeal
a
decision
of
the
board
to
the
city
council
within
15
days
for
procedural
issues.
Only
if
your
quest
is
denied
by
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board.
Petitioners
may
also
appeal
the
board's
decision
to
the
circuit
court
within
30
days
of
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meeting
we
have.
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B
B
All
right
state,
my
name,
greg
parker
307
failed
revenue.
Okay,
we
just
came
to
see
if
y'all
had
a
report
on
whether
or
not
we
can
paint
our
house.
A
Christy
and
I
made
a
site
visit
I'll
just
report
briefly
on
that
this
is
a
house
built,
I
would
say
in
the
20s,
though
I
don't
know
for
sure,
with
a
heavily
rusticated
brick,
it's
been
reported
at
least
partially
once
and
most
of
it
one
time,
and-
and
it's
been
patched
here
and
there
ever
since
the
there
is
some
errant
paint
from
where
the
porch
was
once
up,
where
the
screening
portraits
went
attached
to
the
house,
and
there
is
caulk
and
things
that
the
cable
men
and
the
foam
men
have
done.
A
That.
I
agree,
create
an
unsightly
thing
and
just
everything
needs
to
be
cleaned
up
and
updated.
The
back
wall
of
the
house
has
some
serious
problems.
A
One
side
of
the
the
right
hand:
side
as
you
stand
at
the
back
and
look
at
the
house
has
an
area
that
has
a
bulge
in
it,
which
indicates
to
me
that
the
brick
ties
that
hold
the
veneer
to
the
structure
have
probably
rusted
through
and
that's
going
to
need
to
be
taken
down
and
the
ties
replaced
in
the
wall
laid
back
up,
there's
also
a
big
hole
where
the
air
conditioner
vent
goes
under
the
house.
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A
I
don't
see
a
problem
on
that
house
that
can
be
that
can
be
fixed.
I
don't
see
that
the
house
can
be
painted
until
the
problems
are
fixed.
If
you
want
the
front
of
the
house
to
look
neater
with
the
paint
off
of
it,
there
are
good
paint
removers
that
can
be
used
to
clean
up.
That
peel
away
is
one
I've
used.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
ones
that
can
be
tried
and.
A
The
the
structural
problems,
the
repair
of
the
brick
just
needs
to
be
undertaken
before
we
really
consider
painting
it.
I
think
the
house
is
it's
a
cute
house
like
it
is.
I
tell
somebody
that
you
know
you
have
a
beautiful
horse
and
you
inevitably
have
some
flies.
Well,
let's
look
at
the
horse
and
not
at
the
flies
that
are
on
the
horse,
and
most
of
these
things
are
small
and
I
think
can
be
made
to
look
a
lot
better
than
they
do
now,
but
the
structural
problems
that
I
saw
were
what
concerned
me.
A
B
A
Well,
I
do
recall
that
I
mean
the
style
of
the
house:
is
the
interplay
between
the
the
trim
and
the
brick
and
to
paint
the
house
especially
painted
a
white
color,
virtually
the
same
color
as
the
trim
would
not
be
consistent
with
the
historic
character
of
the
house.
Now,
that's
an
aesthetic
reason
why
you
wouldn't
want
to
do
it.
The
things
that
I
was
addressing
were
the
structural
reasons.
A
The
things
that
I
was
addressing
and
what
I
spoke
about
were
the
structural
things
that
I
saw
not
what
we
said
at
the
last
meeting
about
the
aesthetics
of
it
it
it
still
is
unpainted,
it's
not
a
good.
I
know-
and
I
told
you
this
last
week-
it's
not
a
good
brick
to
paint
because
of
the
highly
textured
kind
of
brick.
It
is
a
smooth.
Brick
is
easier
to
paint,
it
looks
better
longer
and
it
holds
the
paint
better.
C
B
E
D
D
Don't
know
how
to
prove
that
they've
made
an
error,
I
mean
because
it
you
know,
y'all
have
your
opinion.
We
we
have
ours,
it's
our
home,
just
like
white
right
now
and
I'm
walking
out
of
the
house.
I
got
brick
falling
off
it.
It's
just
it's
a
it's
a
nightmare
and
no
one
wants
to.
No
one
wants
to
no
one
wants
to
see
from
our
point
of
view
and
even
from
a
real
estate
side
of
you,
like
you're,
never
going
to
be
able
to
sell
that
house
it.
D
I
already
know
how
the
brick
looks
where
someone's
tried
to
fix
this
house
numerous
times
and,
like
mr
charles
told
you
he's
been
doing
it
for
40
years,
there's
no
way
he
can
ever
match
any
of
that
up
and
make
it
look
right
and
anytime
someone's
going
to
walk
up
to
the
front
of
my
house.
E
E
F
C
I
hadn't
really
thought
of
that.
It's
just
again.
I
think
I
expressed
last
time.
I
can't
I
can't
see
how
it's
going
to
look
once
repairs
are
done.
I
do
know
from
personal
experience
once
you
get
into
some
of
these
repairs
they're,
not
as
simple
as
you
thought.
They
were,
and
sometimes
they're
not
as
difficult
as
you
thought
they
were,
and
it
may
be
once
things
are
done,
that
it
painting
might
be
a
proper
avenue
depending
on
how
it
looks
once
the
repairs
are
completed,
but.
E
One
of
the
things
that
this
board
looks
at
also
is
reversibility
of
the
change.
How
easy
would
it
be
to
undo
a
change?
That's
proposed,
getting
paint
off
of
brick
is
not
a
very
easy
task.
You
can't
sandblast
it
you've
got
to
you've,
got
to
use
a
chemical
stripper
that
can
damage
the
brick.
You
know
there.
There
are
issues
for
the
long-term
preservation
of
the
structure
that
they
consider
too
in
in
trying
to
understand
or
trying
to
explain
why
they
even
review
needing
to
get
permission
to
paint
an
unpainted
brick
surface
there.
E
B
E
E
E
B
I
have
those
guides
right
here,
so
the
the
main
three
points
for
to
make
something:
a
tudor
style,
home,
steep
roofs,
no
arches,
no
cornice
overhanging,
we're
saying
that
our
house
is
not
a
tudor
style
home.
It's
a
craftsman.
E
It
does
not
have
the
elements
of
a
craftsman.
You've
got
that
decorative
plaster
work
with
the
half
timbering
in
the
gables,
which
is
indicative
of
the
tudor
revival
style.
E
A
Small
crafting
style
house,
too,
is
usually
one
volume
and
you've
got.
You
know.
You've
got
a
gable.
You've
got
an
intervening
cross
gable.
You've
got
your
the.
A
Thank
you,
casement
windows,
it.
It
does
have
some
elements
of
a
craftsman
house,
but
it's
not
it's
not
arranged
in
the
way
that
a
craftsman
house
would
be
arranged.
E
E
E
E
You
start
to
see
that
in
I
would
say
the
colonial
revival,
where
you
see
these
kind
of
neoclassical
designs,
so
you're
incorporating
elements
of
of
those
earlier
greek
revival
elements
and
these
colonial
elements
where
we
have
you
know
a
two-story.
Well
that
I
mean
that
that's
getting
into
you
know
that
classical
style
where,
where
painting
the
brick
was
in
vogue,
that
was
what
they
did
in
the
you
know,
30s
and
40s,
and
even
into
the
50s,
with
with
some
of
that
colonial
revival
architecture.
E
But
that,
but
that's
both
of
those
houses
were
antebellum,
so
they've
been
around
for
170
years.
E
Well,
some
houses
that
were
painted
were
painted
before
this
district
was
put
in
place
and,
like
I
said,
it's
a
very
difficult
condition
to
reverse
and
it's
not
our
job
to
go
back
and
tell
people
they've
got
to
undo
things
that
have
been
done,
but
we
do
have
control
over
things
that
happen.
Moving
forward.
E
G
It
and
it
sounds
like
the
repairs-
are
more
important
than
pain
at
this
time.
Pain
is
not.
Structural
pain
is
just
it's
it's
makeup,
so
you
know
what
you
really
should
be
more
concerned
about
is
perhaps
getting
the
the
structure
repaired
to
its
point,
and
then
you
can
call
us
back
and
say
hey.
This
is
what
had
to
be
done.
B
H
C
Yes,
madam
chair,
I
moved
this
time
that
we
deny
the
petitioner's
request,
based
on
the
fact
that
it
is,
in
my
opinion,
premature,
because
repairs
have
not
been
made.
The
structure
as
it
currently
stands,
based
on
photographs
in
your
report,
don't
believe
the
brick
is
in
such
condition.
That
painting
is
a
necessity
to.
C
Or
that
painting
is
necessary
at
this
time
and
again
my
main
concern
and
my
main
reason
is
that
to
get
permission
right
now
would
just
be
premature
again
once
the
repairs
are
done,
certainly
revisit,
it
might
be
that
it
that
it
would.
We
think
it
would
be
necessary,
but
at
this
time
I'd
move
to
the
motion.
F
A
You
roxanna,
yes,
me
419,
south
perry
street.
You
skipped
one.
E
It's
I'm
sorry,
brandon
cherry
for
christian.
A
A
A
I
I
So
the
house
has
a
aluminum
stamp
roof,
as
you
can
tell,
and
the
insurance
company
didn't
pay
to
replace
the
aluminum
stamp
room
at
the
replacement
cost
value
for
the
house
and
they're
wanting
to
put
a
30-year
architectural
shingle
on
the
roof.
It's
pretty
much
every
shingle,
that's
on
the
street!
There's
a
couple
three
tab:
roofs
on
the
street
actually,
which
I
didn't
think
you'd
get
away
with,
but
they're
gonna
go!
Excuse
me!
If
you
all
allow
them,
they
just
want
to
go
back
with
a
30-year
architectural
roof.
I
It'll
actually
look
just
like
that.
It's
the
same
color
same
style,
even
because
of
how
the
shingles
are
the
the
metal
is
on
the
roof
now
and
then
they're
going
to
do
some
additional
fixing
the
flat
roofs
and
stuff
like
that
out
of
their
own
pocket,
because
the
carport's
falling
in
and
the
skylights
are
leaking
leaking
everywhere.
The
decking's
rotted,
the
back
side
of
the
house,
pretty
much
all
the
soffits
are
falling
off
of
the
house
from
you
know.
I
Just
years
of
leaking
and
they've
got
a
few
leaks
in
the
house
around
the
chimneys
and
stuff,
because
again
it's
an
old
roof.
So
they're
just
wanting
like
I
said
to
do
a
30-year
architectural
shingle
and.
E
E
They
got
approval,
it
was
approved
after
the
fact.
Okay.
A
C
H
E
Mike
would
you
bring
up
the
site
plan?
I
printed
out
a
site
plan
that
was
sent
to
me,
but
yes,
but
it
doesn't,
it
didn't
print
out
completely.
I
tried
it
several
different
sizes
and
it
cuts
off
the
entire
driveway
part
of
it.
So.
E
E
Well,
that's
that's
what
he
sent
me
today:
okay,
that's
what
so
they
they
should
be
able
to
pull
that
up
on
their
monitor
now,
since
it's
up
there,
but
what
I
printed
out
cut
off
everything
between
the
street
and
the
the
circle.
So,
unless
do
you
have
copies?
Would.
J
J
J
I
have
two
things:
if
you'll
indulge
me
indulge
me,
one
is
the
two
trees
that
I
believe
at
some
point
in
time
had
been
mentioned,
that
they
should
be
cut
down
and
other
trees
planted
in
their
place.
J
I
would
like
to
respect
some
respectively
disagree
because
of
the
fact
that
the
trees
are
very
healthy,
they're,
very
historical
old
oaks
that
could
use
pruning
and
shaping
in
order
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
property
itself.
They
stand
alone
and
they
pretty
much
frame
the
house
from
the
street.
So
when
you're
standing
on
the
street
and
you
look
forward,
those
two
trees
are
in
the
foreground,
which
are
again
beautiful
old
oaks
that
are
completely
healthy.
A
E
M
J
Yes,
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
at
the
that's,
not
that's
with
a
new
proposal.
It's
the
same
circular
driveway,
but
it
was
mentioned
that
the
hardscape
of
the
driveway
was
an
impediment
to
the
property.
Also
so
my
through
my
research
in
that
time
period
and
that
error,
when
that
house
was
made,
it
would
have
been
very
much
more
in
in
this
order
of
a
driveway
design,
because
that
would
have
been
carriages
coming
up
to
the
house,
dropping
people
off
and
then
at
some
point
than
cars.
It's
not
made
to
be
a
parking
area.
J
It's
made
to
be
a
drop-off
point
and
and
doing
that
with
a
venue
is
very
important
because
you
do
want
people
to
be
able
to
come
right
up
to
the
house,
be
dropped
off,
say
it's
a
wedding,
the
couple
or
if
it's
someone,
that's
disabled,
they
will
be
able
to
not.
They
will
be
able
to
get
off
right
at
the
house
versus
at
the
street,
which
has
been
proposed
at
one
park
point
where
the
driveway
would
be
more
like
an
arc.
J
Now
the
driveway
would
go
up,
it
would
circle
around
and
then
come
right
back
down,
and
it
would
be
wide
enough
at
this
point
to
accommodate
that
without
any
problems-
and,
I
believe,
also
they're
in
the
in
in
the
design-
there
is
a
fountain
in
the
middle
of
it.
That
will
also
give
great
visual
impact
for
this
property.
J
This
is
a
historical
house.
This
is
a
historical
piece
of
property.
Anything
that
is
being
done
now
will
be
looked
at
that
way.
I
am
very,
very
much
involved
with
helping
with
the
choosing
of
the
plantings
for
that
house
for
that
property,
because
it
will
be
an
event
venue,
so
it
needs
to
fall
in
line
with
indigenous
plants
for
our
area,
and
I
think
everyone
would
agree.
J
J
If
you
will,
that
gave
what
what
would
be
necessary
as
far
as
again
pruning
and
shaping
the
trees,
giving
it
curb
appeal,
my
thought
would
be
to
add.
Dwarf
english
boxwoods
around
the
driveway
so
that
that
will
soften
what
will
happen.
Those
those
dwarf
english
boxwoods
planted
closely
together
will
grow
together
and
then
you're
able
to
maintain
them,
but
they're
pretty
much
self-maintaining
anyway.
J
They
do
not
get
large,
so
it
doesn't
require
a
lot
of
work
to
maintain
those.
So
if
you
put
those
english
boxwoods,
the
dwarf
ones
around
the
driveway,
that's
going
to
really
soften
that
look
of
the
concrete
there
now.
Also
within
that
scope
with
having
the
fountain
there
could
be
flower
beds
for
seasonal
planning.
J
That,
again,
would
be
you
know
in
line
with
that
error,
because
people
during
that
time
it
was
the
typical
roses,
magnolias
jasmine,
all
of
the
what
we
call
southern
flowers
or
flowering,
trees
and
bushes
at
that
point,
so
you
you
have
plenty
of
space
there
to
create
these.
This
effect
of
softening
the
driveway
by
using
plantings
both
around
the
driveway
and
around
the
property.
That
will
bring
your
eye
forward
to
the
house,
and
I
think
that's.
J
What
is
the
most
important
thing
right
now
is
to
think
about
how
from
the
road
that
the
venue
will
look,
the
house
needs
to
maintain
its
historical
and
and
and
grand
style
if
you
will
like
many
mansions
and
older
homes
in
montgomery
and
in
the
area.
So
I
think
with
mr
yasim's.
J
New
proposed
driveway
site
that
can
be
done,
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
important
that
you
know
we
ask
you
to
to
allow
this
because
of
the
fact
that
you
know
he
has
a
team
of
people
now
who
will
be
able
to
help,
communicate
and
create
what
you're.
Looking
for,
I
believe
in
this
property
there
is
parking
in
the
back,
so
there
is
no
need
for
parking
in
the
front
again.
The
driveway
is
a
drop-off
driveway.
It
is
not
to
be
parked
for
parking.
J
Do
you
have
any
questions
as
far
as
plants
or
how
we
can
how
we
can
work
on
this
to
create
and
maintain
these
trees?
We
definitely
want
to
leave
the
trees
and
now,
with
the
driveway,
being
more
landscaped
and
and
brought
in
line
with
the
period
of
the
house.
E
M
E
M
It's
hard
to
say,
but
in
in
projects
like
this,
that
I've
seen
before,
whenever
you're,
going
to
disturb
any
of
the
ground
and
do
any
kind
of
construction
around
trees
like
this,
what
you're,
typically
going
to
see,
is
the
drip
line
of
a
tree.
So
imagine
this
diagram
here.
If
you
drew
a
circle
around
the
the
canopy
of
the
tree
and
then
imagine
the
roots
growing
two
to
three
times
the
size
of
that
drip
line
in
all
directions.
Now
it's
going
to
run
into
concrete
in
the
street.
M
M
So
that's.
I
would
suggest
that
if
that's
the
route
that
you
choose
to
go
to
trim
the
trees-
and
I
would
also
say
that
it
is
mine
and
our
office's
professional
opinion
that
it
would
do
damage
to
these
trees,
doing
any
kind
of
construction
work
and
it
would
damage
the
root
zone.
J
M
From
what
I
can
tell
based
on
these
pictures,
I
haven't
been
on
site,
I
believe
russell
has.
So
I
can't
speak
to
what
he's
seen,
but
from
what
what
I
can
see
here
and
from
where
the
driveway
is
proposed.
There's
a
limited
route
zone
within
this
yard,
so
you're,
not
the
tree's
not
been
able
to
grow
out
toward
the
street
because
of
the
concrete
that
it's
limiting
factors
there,
and
so
the
green
area
inside
of
this
yard
is
where
those
tree
roots
have
been
growing.
M
And
so,
if
you
think
about
tree
roots,
they
typically
grow
in
the
about
only
two
feet
deep
into
the
soil,
and
so,
like
I
said
two
to
three
times
is
typically
the
standard
for
the
length
of
the
root
zone
of
the
tree
so
based
on
the
limitations
that
are
around
this
tree.
I
do
believe
that
the
area
where
this
is
proposed
is
where
those
roots
are
now.
You
could
get
a
root
excavation
done
and
you
could
do
a
study
to
see
exactly
where
right.
M
If
that's
something
that
wanted
to
be
done-
and
you
wanted
to
get
that
serious
there
are
there
are
it's
called
a
an
air
spade
is
the
type
of
machine,
and
that
can
do
that,
but
it
will
destroy
that
that
ground,
and
so,
if
that
is
something
that
you
could
do
and
then
we
could
really
know
exactly
what
kind
of
impact
you're
going
to
have,
but
to
say
that
the
roots
that
are
growing
in
that
zone
aren't
going
to
be
beneficial
to
that
tree,
I
think,
is,
is
incorrect.
A
We
have
plenty
of
people
in
montgomery
who
are
interested
in
saving
their
trees,
and
I
can
think
of
several
just
right
off
the
top
of
my
head
that
we've
seen
over
the
course
of
10
years,
who
worked
very
hard
to
save
their
tree
and
they're
coming
at
the
end
of
10
years.
To
say
all
right,
I'm
gonna
have
to
I'm
gonna
have
to
take
it
down.
A
So
if
you
wanna,
if
you
wanna
work
with
these
trees
for
10
years
in
order
to
keep
them
there,
we're
fine
with
that
right.
But
I'm
saying
that
this
this
much.
What
what
the
people
the
staff
are
saying
is
this
much
disturb
of
their
root
structure
is,
in
the
long
term,
gonna
cause
the
death
of
these
trees.
J
J
No,
no
and
that's
understandable,
but
again
it's
there
is
a
walkway,
that's
already
there.
So
I
don't
know
if
at
some
point
in
time
that
study
was
made
in
order
for
that
walk.
M
Are
you
saying
the
roots
aren't
causing
like
upheaval
of
the
no
okay?
Well,
that's.
I
don't
think
that
that
is
necessarily
the
issue.
It's
going
to
be.
Removing
that
and
putting
this
in
the
construction
activities
are
going
to
compact
the
soils,
which
is
the
most
detrimental
practice
that
you
can
do
on
top
of
of
tree
roots,
and
so
I
don't
think
that
that
walkway
in
general,
being
there
is
necessarily
an
issue.
M
I
just
think
that
any
kind
of
activities
to
disturb
the
earth
is
what
would
impact
these
trees.
M
It
would
if
you
were
to
go
ahead
and
do
the
project
it's
hard
to
say,
depending
on
what
kind
of
damage
is
done
and
I
would
say
anywhere
from
they
could
die
next
year
or
they
could
die
in
ten
years
like
she
was
saying
right
right,
but
I
I
will
say
that
that
it's
going
to
be
detrimental
to
them
for
the
long
term
effects
or
the
long
long
life
of
those
trees.
M
So
it's
just
hard
to
be
able
to
say:
oh,
it's
going
to
either
die
now
or
it's
going
to
die
when,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
those
have
scientifically
been
proven
those
activities
to
affect
those
trees
like
that
yeah.
J
So,
okay,
okay,
so
at
present
there's
brick
on
the
top
and
there's
cement
underneath,
and
so
what
would
need
to
be
done
when
that's
taken
out
you're
saying
that
there
could
be
a
study
done
on
it
to
see
how
viable
that
area
is?
Is
that
what
you
you?
You
know
to
extend
the
life
of
the
trees?
Let's
say
10
years,
you
know
if
we
have,
if
we
have
a
10
year
plan.
M
J
On
that,
then,
we
could
turn
around
and
address
in
10
years
if
they
die.
What
you
know
needs
to
be
done
at
that
point,
but
I
don't.
I
I'm
not
sure
that
if,
with
with
that
amount
of
space
that
it's
going
to
really
impact
it
within
a
short
period
of
time,
I
think
it
would.
If,
if
any
impact,
it
would
be
over
a
long
period
of
time,
which
would
be
at
least
10
years
or
more
especially
with
it
already
being
used
in
through
the
years.
M
Right,
that's
that's
a
good
point.
I
mean
there
has
been
some
foot
traffic
on
there,
but
I
think
once
you
start
disturbing
the
earth
in
in
a
more
drastic
way,
then
it's
going
to
be
that
the
time
frame
of
that
is
going
to
ramp
up.
C
M
There
is
you:
can
you
can
hire
a
company
of
certified
arborist?
M
I'm
not
sure
anyone
right
off
the
top
of
my
head
here
in
montgomery
that
can
do
it,
but
they
can
use
an
air
spade,
which
is
basically
like
a
pressure
washer
except
it
sprays,
air
onto
the
onto
the
surface,
and
it
won't
hurt
the
roots
as
you
pull
back
that
soil
and
you
can
actually
see
where
your
roots
are
growing.
And
so
then
you
can
use
that
to
determine
what
kind
of
impact
your
construction
activities
would
have
in
that
specific
location
and.
C
I
think
that
was
my
point.
We
of
course,
don't
know
what
direction
these
routes
are
growing
they
may
it
may
be
that
this
proposed
driveway
in
10
years
could
cause
damage,
or
it
may
be
that
these
routes
are
growing
in
such
a
way
that
you
could
put
the
12
13
foot
driveway
and,
if
they're
in
a
certain
location,
it
might
be
that
no
one
thinks
there'll
be
any
significant
damage
within
the
next
decade.
Right.
M
Right-
and
I
think
I
think
the
reason
this
is
being
discussed
is
the
board
is
looking
at
the
livelihood
of
those
trees,
long
term,
the
preservation
of
them
and
that's
great,
because
they're
in
the
city
ordinance,
the
trees
are
protected
in
historic
areas,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
question.
I
think
that
we're
trying
to
answer
here
so
that
would
be
on
the
board.
It
would
be
their
decision.
I
believe
it
was
mentioned
that
you
could
re-landscape.
If
you
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
remove
them,
you
could.
M
J
Yeah,
that's
that's
exactly
what
you
know.
My
my
design
plan
was
was
to
be
able
to
leave
those
they're
they're
beautiful,
they're,
large
they're
healthy.
I
agree.
There's
really
you
know
it
would
take
to
me
away
the
integrity
of
the
house
at
this
point,
both
visually
and
especially
when
you
look
at
it
planting
other
trees
will
take
decades
now
to
get
to
where
those
two
trees
are.
J
I
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
they
can.
They
could
have
the
the
test
done
if
you
will
on
the
roots
and
that
could
be
really
left
up
to
them.
If
they
wanted
to
do
that
or
if
they're
just
willing
to
risk
it,
I
think
that's
really
their
their
option
as
far
as
owning
the
property,
I
don't
think
necessarily
they're
doing
anything
to
intentionally
damage
the
trees.
M
I
mean,
I
think,
I
think
what
my
decision,
I
don't
have
any
decision
making,
is
it's
all
on
the
board,
but
I
think
from
from
the
city
side
of
it.
What
we
would
say
is
that
any
kind
of
construction
activities
within
that
root
zone
will
be
detrimental
to
the
trees,
but
I
also
agree
with
you
that
a
proper
pruning
technique
on
the
trees,
if
that
is
the
decision
that
is
made,
will
not
do
damage
to
them
in
the
short
term,
and
it
would
also
add
to
the
value
of
the
property.
I
agree
with
that.
G
M
G
G
N
G
M
Can
be
used,
there's
a
technique
for
fertilization
that
can
be
used
to
promote
the
root
growth
into
the
other
parts
of
the
yard.
It's
just
you
know,
if
that's
something
that
they're
willing
to
do
that'd
be
that'd,
be
great.
M
M
The
only
person
that
comes
to
mind
that
I
know
that
can
do
these
professionally
is
someone
in
mobile,
and
that
is
a
fairly
large
tree
company
that
we've
done.
M
L
Speaking
about
away
from
the
trees,
okay,
because
I
think
everybody
on
the
board
would
agree
because
that
if
we
could
save
a
tree,
we
would
prefer
to
save
a
tree
than
not
save
a
tree.
Okay,
I
think
my
biggest
concern
is
one
looking
at
the
house
and
if
you
compare
that
to
the
historic
image
that
you
have
further
in
your
submittal,
okay,
that
had
a
circular
drive
but
not
the
same
type
of
circular
drive.
It
was
more
of
a
u-shaped
horseshoe
style.
Okay,
in
the
way
that
you
are
this
design,
that's
been
submitted.
L
L
J
It
is
landscaped
properly
properly.
It
would
not
appear
that
way.
Okay,
I
think
I
think
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
because
it
does
seem
like
it's
going
to
be
wide
and
it's
going
to
impede
on
the
front
of
the
house,
but
actually
it
won't
impede
on
the
front
of
the
house,
because
you're
going
to
have
hardscape
there
and
then
again
correct
planting
landscaping
on
both
sides.
So
it
will
not
look
visually
as
if
the
driveway
is
as
imposing
as
agreed
that
it
sounds
from
41
feet
to
60..
Okay,.
L
F
L
Is
going
to
impede
the
look
of
kind
of
the
front?
It's
going
to
look
like
a
lot
of
box
woods
that
are
edging
and
faced
on
the
front
of
the
house.
In
there
too,
you
have
the
middle
of
the
fountain,
which
I
think
the
fountain
is
usually
would
sounds
like
a
great
idea,
but
my
concern
with
the
fountain
is
taken
away
from
a
focal
point
directly
at
the
entrance
stairs.
Then
I
come
to
the
fact
that
you
have
a
12
foot
and
then
a
13
foot
difference
and
a
14
foot
difference.
L
J
Because
they're
dropping
off
so
as
as
one
car
is
coming
in
and
it
makes
that
circle
around
to
the
front:
walk
they're.
Lo
those
the
people
in
that
car
are
out
get
going
up
to
the
walkway.
The
other
car
is
pulling
around
and
so
you're
not
parking
you're
just
pulling
around
for
the
other
car
to
come
up,
and
then
you
go
down.
So
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
constant
motion.
If
you
will.
L
My
question
is
you
have
weddings
right?
Yes,
how
many
cars
can
back
up
into
that
loop
before
it
becomes
an
issue,
because
my
concern
is
if
you're
dropping
off.
That
means
you
would
have
one
at
the
front
of
the
loop.
Okay,
you
would
have
to
have
one
on
both
sides
of
the
loop
somebody
couldn't
be
coming
in
the
same
time
somebody's
coming
out
and
it
could
not
stack
up
more
than
say
three
cars.
That
is
my
concern
and
if
one
of
them
is
a
limousine,
then
I
think
you
would
have
needed
a
bigger
concern
there.
L
E
J
I
understand
I
think
that
the
the
whole
concept
was,
though,
that
you
know
they
didn't
really
want
that
they
didn't
want
it
to
be
a
traffic
jam
by
doing
that.
So,
if
in
in
in
doing
it,
where
you
have
one
two
or
three
cars
coming
up,
as
you
said,
one
stopping
unloading
pulling
around
the
other
one
doing
the
same,
the
other
one
doing
the
same.
They
go
down
the
driveway
whoever's
directing
traffic
then
could
send
the
next.
F
L
If
somebody
start
having
to
stay
in
their
direct
traffic,
in
my
opinion,
you
are
then
going
to
get
a
line
of
cars
backed
up
along
the
street
okay
waiting
for
that
one
individual
to
make
sure
that
that
car
loops
or
goes
in
drops
off-
and
maybe
two
cars
goes
in
and
drops
off
and
loops
around.
So
it
becomes
a
traffic
jam
on
the
main
street.
J
No,
I
understand
right
right,
but
again
most
of
these
videos
like
this
is
the
weekend,
so
you
don't
really
have
the
as
much
traffic
on
that
street
as
you
would
as
you
during
the
week.
So
it
would
probably
be
more
of
a
weekend
event,
but
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
L
A
N
L
To
get
them
off
of
the
main
street
prior
to
exiting,
and
it
also
would
not
cause
an
issue
with
the
possibility
of
someone
having
an
accident
going
around
the
loop,
where
they're
cut
and
coming
in
and
out
at
the
same
time,
so
that
my
concern
is
the
workability
of
the
plan
and
how
intrusive
it
is
to
the
front
entrance
of
the
house
and
the
historic
historic
integrity.
That's
being
maintained.
That
y'all
are
clearly
showing
with
the
old
image
in
y'all's
proposal.
O
I
shares
you
know.
I
share
a
similar
concern
because
I
can
see
the
cars
backing
up
on
on
perry.
I
mean
I
I
can.
I
understand
that
you
guys
are
kind
of
looking
at
it
almost
like
a
valet
at
a
hotel
where
you
know
you
pull
up
right.
People
get
out.
You
keep
going,
however,
even
at
a
hotel
when
you
pull
in
you've
got
a
view.
You've
got
a
second,
you
know
point
where
a
person
can
leave
and
then
the
cars
kind
of
stack
up
in
the
driveway
leading
up
to
where
you
know.
O
O
J
Well,
I
mean
this
doesn't
really
impact
the
integrity
of
the
house
and
architecture,
because
there
would
have
had
been
a
circular
driveway
at
some
point
in
time
during
that
period.
What
is
your
proposal
then,
as
a
solution
that
would
not
not
impede
having
to
take
down
the
trees
which
you
know
if
we
go
any
wider,
we've
got
a
greater
chance
of
that.
I
don't
think
that's
the
direction
to
go.
E
I
think
that's
what
they
were
addressing
last
month
with
the
summarized
comments
in
the
agenda
was
that
they
thought
that
some
of
these
other
issues
were
more
important
than
saving
those
trees,
not
that
they
were
opposed
to
the
trees
staying
but
to
accommodate
a
plan
that
would
get
you
better
circulation
off
the
street.
The
trees
are
in
the
way
and
there's
there's
no
two
ways
around
that.
J
E
E
One
of
one
of
the
things
this
board
tries
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
the
solution
you're
proposing
for
a
need
you
have
is
not
creating
other
problems,
and
I
think
that's
that's
been
the
concern
about
the
width,
the
potential
traffic
issues,
they're
less
concerned
about
the
trees,
because
these
other
issues
are
really
bigger
issues.
F
A
L
E
J
C
J
F
C
I
know
we
we
all
expressed
concerns
about
what
may
happen
if
I
could
predict
the
future.
I'd
go
to
florida
pick.
The
next
six
numbers
in
the
florida
lottery
get
the
jackpot
and
yeah.
I
would
probably
not.
C
J
J
C
Understand
about
you
know,
the
driveway
is
narrow.
I
understand
you're
saying
this
is
not
intended
for
a
lot
of
traffic
you're
going
to
drop
things
off
at
the
front
you're
going
to
drop
individuals
off
at
the
front.
I
can
certainly
understand,
though,
you're
going
to
have
individuals
that
may
not
wake
their
turn
and
12
feet
wide.
Two
cars
are
not
going
to
pass
unless
they're
mini
coopers,
and
even
then
it's
going
to
be
tight.
F
E
G
I
kind
of
have
a
concern
about
the
radius
of
it
and
the
functionality
of
that
radius.
It
seems
very
tight,
I
mean
if
I
I
had.
I've
had
a
circular
driveway
at
my
house
and
in
the
the
center
of
it
was
about
a
15
foot
circle
and
then
it
was
15
20
feet,
and
then
we
had
the
the
10
feet
and-
and
this
seems
like
a
tahoe
or
pickup
truck-
just
won't-
make
that
turn.
A
For
doing
this,
and
I
think
that
the
site
plan
needs
to
be
evaluated
by
someone
whose
profession
it
is
to
say
what
we
need
here,
because
we
don't
have.
It
looks
tight
to
me,
but
this
is
something
you
know
in
working.
I
would
have
passed
off
to
somebody
who
knew
what
they
were
doing
to
lay
that
out,
not.
J
Mr
esteem
was
was
just
saying
that,
with
the
when
he
met
with
the
concrete
expert,
they
were
able
to
make
that
that
turn
that
radius,
that
you're
you're
speaking
of
without
any
problem
so.
J
G
Certain
dimensions
and
stuff
that
are
used
that
that
need
to
be
applied.
That's
all
I'm
saying
yeah
they're,
they're
standard
dimensions
that
are
used
and-
and
this
seems
really
tight-
I
can
tell
you
my
car
might
make
that
six
foot
radius.
I
have
a
hyundai,
my
husband's
20
foot.
Long
pickup
truck
will
not
make
that
turn.
G
They
won't
hit
it.
I
mean
I'm
talking
physically
a
car
going
around
yeah.
G
E
What
what
about
alternate,
paving
methods
that
would
lend
it
lend
themselves
to
giving
a
more
grassy
appearance
so
that,
if
you
needed
more
width
more
turning
radius,
you
know
like
those
those
driving
the
grids
you
can
drive
on,
that
you
can
plant
grass
in
so
from
a
distance.
It
would
look
like
a
lawn
yes,
but
you
know
it,
but
you
might
be
able
to
delineate
the
pattern
but
use
something
like
that
to
expand
beyond
it.
J
J
As
far
as
the
front
of
the
house
again,
landscape
correctly
the
whole,
if
you
will
existing
property
and
then
again,
like
you,
said
visually,
maintaining
the
green
space.
J
L
Part
of
our
okay
part
of
our
job
is
to
protect
the
life,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
public.
Okay
and
a
lot
of
what
this
board
does:
it's,
not
a
public
business
per
se.
It's
a
house
or
something
of
that
nature,
but
this
is
a
business
okay,
you
are
going
to
have
the
public
coming
to
that
space,
and
I,
my
personal
thing
is:
I
do
not
feel
comfortable
at
this
time
approving
this
plan.
L
L
The
second
concern
is
the
look
of
it
in
the
end
okay,
but
there
is
modifications
you
can
do
to
that
until
this
were
to
be
submitted.
Okay,
in
my
opinion,
with
a
the
software
from
civil
engineer
that
states
hey,
you
can
get
a
limousine
because
you're
talking
a
wedding
venue
to
come
in
and
be
able
to
make
that
turn
and
come
out.
That
is
my
concern.
K
P
K
Are
not
this
large
number
and
the
another
issue
that
they're
the
city
is
posing
the
traffic
jam?
This
is
one-way
traffic.
That's
the
beauty
of
it.
It
is
we're
glad
that
it's
a
one-way,
because
then
you
have
cones
there.
People
are
pulling
their
cars
over
and
taking
their
turns.
Then
they're
parking
after
five
o'clock
all
over
downtown.
There
is
a
public.
K
A
In
my
opinion,
there's
not
enough
information
here
to
make
a
decision.
This
is
a
building
intended
for
a
public
occupancy.
It
needs
to
have
drawings
that
are
developed
and
stamped
by
someone
who
is
a
registered
engineer
for
the
ground
plane
and
an
architect
for
the
work
done
on
the
building.
That's
just
that's
required
by
state
law.
I
still
think
that
this
is
not
an
appropriate
driveway
for
this
house,
which
I
said
last
time,
and
I
I
respect
mr
yashin's.
A
G
Yes,
because
this
will
have
to
go
through
the
city,
planning,
commission
and
stuff?
I
would
imagine.
K
E
We
talked
we
did
talk
to
the
fire
department.
The
fire
department
determined
that
they,
if
there
was
a
call
to
this
property,
they
would
service
it
from
the
street,
so
they
do
not
need
to
access
it
by
the
driveway.
E
L
E
J
I
was
just
saying
from
my
understanding:
we
were
told
that
that
would
not
be
necessary.
I.
E
F
F
Lawn
is
going
to
take
some
skill
and
some
some
design,
and
I
think,
just
from
my
opinion,
I
think
a
civil
engineer
would
be
the
best
suited
to
not
only
get
the
grating
correct,
but
also
get
the
drainage,
the
site,
drainage,
correct
and
also
make
sure
that
there's
you're
not
going
to
scrape
the
front
bumper
just
getting
off
the
street
onto
the
front
yard.
Sure.
J
A
Just
you
need
a
more
developed
site
plan.
You
need
a
site
plan
developed
by
someone
who
is
qualified
by
training
and
experience
to
do
it,
which
would
not
be
me
and
we
need
more
information.
I
mean
you
talked
about
the
kinds
of
things
you
want
to
plant
by
the
way
dogwoods
in
montgomery,
iffy,
you've
probably
got
good
enough
dirt.
There
most
people,
don't
our
clay
is
too
heavy
for
dogwoods.
H
G
J
C
J
E
Okay,
well,
when
he
glanced
at
it
when
he
saw
this
before
he
left
this
afternoon
he
told
me
it
looked
tight.
Okay,
so
I
bet,
but
you
know
the
question
you're
talking
about
that
grade.
Change
too.
You
know,
there's
no
accommodation!
What
what,
if
you
have
to
put
in
a
retaining
wall
of
some
sort,
to
hold
back
anything,
there's
no
provision
for
that
in
this
plan
if
they
have
to
excavate
a
lot
to
get
you
a
good
approach.
K
J
J
G
G
K
K
At
this
point.
He
is
doing
a
driveway
at
lake
martin,
which
I
don't
have
the
address
for
it.
I
don't
know
who
the
individual
is,
but
this
is
some
driveway
that
you
showed
me
a
picture
of
which
most
people
would
not
be
very
happy
to
do
the
work,
for
it
is
way
like
this
up
at
the
lake.
So
if
this
gentleman
came
and
looked
at
this
driveway
and
saying
that
this
is
nothing
for
him,
I
don't
know
why
the
city
thinks
this.
This
is
like
a
building
a
golden
gate
bridge
or
something.
K
I
turn
my
f1,
I
mean
f4,
toyota,
tundra
truck,
which
is
a
very
heavy
duty
truck
going
on
there.
This
sunday
I
went
up.
There
did
the
whole
thing,
that's
how
we
came
with
the
dimensions
and
in
fact
we
made
more
room
for
the
dimensions
we
narrowed
the
entrance,
because
we
don't
want
two
cars
squeezing
in
there
one
time
we
want
that
to
be
a
little
tied.
K
K
A
The
functionality
of
this
would
not
be
a
concern
to
me,
but
if
you're
going
to
use
it
commercially
and
have
more
traffic
than
it
is
a
concern,
I
still
say,
the
horseshoe
is
a
better
is
a
better
deal
doing
the
driveway.
That's
in
the
historic
picture
is
a
better
idea
than
this
for
this
site
and
this
half.
C
C
Move
that
we
table
this
one
more
time
until
next
month,
so
that
the
petitioner
can
get
with
engineers,
architects
whomever
he
needs
to
get
a
final
site
plan.
He
can
certainly
speak
to
anyone.
He
needs
to
about
the
dimensions
of
turn,
radiuses
or
whatnot,
bring
it
here
present
it
within
the
allotted
time
of
10
minutes
and
then
we'll
vote
on
it.
That's
my
motion.
E
And
I
will
say
I
can
take
this
and
try
to
get
some
feedback
from
other
departments,
but
getting
it
at
lunchtime
today
there
and
finding
people
on
our
coveted
schedule
to
review
it.
I
mean
I
didn't
have
anybody
to
show
this
to
you
this
afternoon,
but
I
can
talk
to
someone
in
traffic,
engineering
and
engineering
and
our
development
plan
reviewer
and
just
and
just
see
what
what
they
see
to
give
you
some
more
specific
feedback
or
they
may
say,
hey.
We
think
this
will
work.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know.
C
That
would
be
very
helpful.
I
know
for
me
and
I
think
other
members
of
the
board
if
we
got
the
plan
prior
to
the
day
of
the
meeting,
I
mean
I
personally
like
to
sit
and
read
and
look
over
sometimes
even
drive
by
properties
that
request
changes,
because
I
have
hard
pictures-
okay,
but
sometimes
it's
just
better
for
me
to
get
out
there
and
walk
it.
So
if
you
can
get
it
a
few
days
ahead
of
time
to
drive
by
the
property,
it's
not
that
far
away.
I
would
appreciate
it.
A
A
A
F
Our
company
has
been
hired
to
manage
the
property,
the
owners
do
live
out
of
state,
so
we
have.
We
are
here
representing
the
owners.
We
did
not
do
work
to
the
property.
We
were
just
hired
a
week
ago,
so
we're
kind
of
coming
into
the
middle
of
all
this,
but
they
are
asking
for
the
paint
and
the
shutters
to
stay.
C
A
C
Well,
I
do
know
it's
been
a
long
time.
We
do
have
okay,
what's.
C
C
I
think
mr
colvin
probably
can
corroborate
that
that
this
building
was
in
a
deep
state
of
disrepair
for
a
number
of
years,
including
the
brick.
You
know.
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
really
necessitates.
I
I
don't
know
if
they
even
with
repairs,
if
they
could
have
made
it
look
right.
I
can't
remember
again,
mr
calvin,
maybe
you
can
help
me.
What
kind
of
brick
it
had
is
underneath
the
paint,
but
it
was,
I
think.
C
A
F
P
A
If
you're
going
to
paint
a
brick
structure,
the
reason
to
paint
it
is
not
that
there
were
a
lot
of
gaps
and
things
and
we
didn't
want
to
see
them,
you
need
to
fix
the
problems
which
we
spent
30
minutes
on
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
But
then,
if
you're
going
to
paint
it,
then
it
needs
to
be
painted
a
brick
color,
not
painted
white.
A
C
A
P
No,
this
is
wonderful,
weather,
perfect,
it's
perfect,
my
name
is
charlie
calvin,
I'm
with
the
cia,
the
cloverdale
adelewild
association
and,
as
john
has
already
mentioned,
the
the
property
has
been
a
blight
on
the
neighborhood
for
some
time.
P
The
folks
took
it
over
they
it
it
it
surged
and
stopped
and
surged
and
stopped
as
far
as
repairs
and
fixing
up
are
concerned,
but
they
did
have
repair
work
to
do
cracks
in
the
in
the
in
the
bricks
and
so
when
they,
when
they
repair
those
the
the
masonry
masonry
work
was,
was
good.
You
got
everything
all
the
bricks
in
line
and
everything,
but
painting
over
that
actually
improved
the
look
of
the
building.
P
We
we
talked
to
many
in
the
neighborhood
because
we
knew
this
was
a
contestable
item
and
the
seems
to
be
a
matter
of
opinion.
But
the
majority
of
the
folks
are
not
concerned
about
the
white.
We
have
a
white
house,
brick
painted
not
more
than
a
block
away
from
this,
and
there
are
a
number
of
painted
brick
houses
and
and
multiple
dwelling
homes
in
the
area,
so
that
isn't
an
offense
to
the
neighborhood.
P
The
white
color
is
probably
we
didn't
even
look
it's
exactly
the
color
on
the
palette,
but
it
was
close
enough
that
we
were
not
concerned.
As
for
the
black,
most
of
people
felt
the
black
was
a
little
stark
but
again
not
concerned
about
the
color
black.
The
contrast
that
what
what
seemed
to
be
the
the
guiding
factor
was
that
it,
the
improvement
to
the
plant,
the
improvement
of
the
facility,
seemed
to
outweigh
any
concerns
that
people
had
as
to
whether
it
was
historically
correct
or
whether
it
had
changed
the
nature
of
the
building.
P
F
Laura
callaway
garden
district
preservation
association-
this
is
not
in
our
neighborhood,
so
I
don't
want
to
contradict
mr
colvin's
opinion,
but
because
of
item
number
one
on
the
agenda
tonight,
we
would
like
to
see
the
board
take
seriously
the
fact
that
somebody
painted
a
house
without
coming
to
the
board.
First
for.
C
C
A
A
A
A
E
See
if
anybody
wants
to
make
a
different
motion-
and
I
remind
you
this
is
not
your
problem
to
fix,
I
mean
that's
what
we
have
municipal
court
for
and
if
you
you
don't
have,
they
don't
have
to
unpaint
the
brick.
But
if
you
want
to
say
you
should
have
asked
us
first
and
we
might
not
have
approved
it,
then
we
can
let
the
municipal
court
set
a
fine.
I
mean
that's
that's
where
it
goes.
G
This
is
this
comes
up
time
and
time
again
and
just
like
the
lady,
the
the
first
case,
you
know,
we
can't
say
hey,
it's
done,
it
looks
okay,
oh
well,
you
know,
then
you
know
what's
to
say
she
doesn't
do
the
same
thing
next
month.
G
So
I
I
think
you
know
we
got
to
sort
of
take
a
stance.
It's
just
sort
of
like
the
people,
cutting
the
trees
and
going
oops.
So
I
I
think
a
little
bit
of
retribution
is
is
an
order,
because
we
can't
really
go
and
look
at
the
building
and
see
if
it
really
determined
to
need
it.
G
The
paint
was
required
or
not,
and
you
know
just
because
it
is
a
different
style-
doesn't
preclude
that
it
should
not
get
be
given
the
same
treatment
and-
and
I
really
commend
the
owners
for
doing
the
work
that
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
that,
we're
happy
for
them
to
do
the
work
and
thankful
for
there
to
be.
You
know
vibrancy
in
the
neighborhood,
but
to
keep
vibrancy
in
the
neighborhood.
G
That's
why
we're
here
is
to
kind
of
protect
the
neighborhood
to
maintain
the
true
brick
of
the
buildings
or
the
the
shutters
or
the
fireplaces
or
the
chimneys
or
the
driveways
that
that's
what
we're
here
to
do,
and
we
don't
mean
to
sound
horrible,
because
I
know
it
sounds
horrible.
This
has
been
a
horrible
day,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
all
here
for
the
same
reason
we're
all
here
to
maintain
and
protect
the
integrity
of
these
historic
districts
and
and
without
these
rules
or
or
you
know,
guidelines,
you
don't
get
that.
E
I
couldn't
understand
you,
he
asked
about
the
fine
that
would
be
up
to
the
judge,
it's
anywhere
from
zero
to
five
hundred
dollars.
C
E
We
have
asked
for
it
to
be
reversed,
which
has
generally
cost
more
than
the
500,
but
I
personally
in
an
instance
where
the
reverse
of
the
the
reversal
of
the
condition
would
probably
cause
more
damage
to
the
building
than
allowing
the
paint
to
remain.
I
would,
I
would
just
ask
for
that.
E
O
A
G
It
would
hurt
the
integrity
of
the
finish
of
the
brick
since.
A
A
E
E
Well,
possibly
painting
it
red
or
you
know
brick
tone
color
to
be
approved,
removing
the
shutters
and
if
that's
a,
if
that's
a
non-starter
for
the
owner,
then
then
we
file
the
the
violation
in
court
or
we
file
the
violation
in
court
just
to
make
a
statement
that
y'all
really
need
to
come
talk
to
us
first,
so
it
it
depends
on
on.
What
you
see
is
the
the
best
possible
outcome
of
this,
because
they
could
paint
it
a
brick
color,
but
since
it's
already
painted
it
can
be
painted
any
other
color
after
that.
E
L
E
F
A
A
All
right
we've
got
kayla.
E
A
All
right
and
victor
hunt,
old,
cloverdale,
2011
lebron.
H
H
It
was
one
of
the
scandals
of
the
neighborhood
of
the
condition
that
it
was
in,
and
so
we've
really
enjoyed
being
there,
but
this
this
house
just
has
this
large,
concrete
pad
out
in
the
front
that
somebody
in
years
past
did
and
it's
one
of
those
typical
things.
You
say
if
I
was
doing
this
new,
would
I
do
it
this
way
and
the
answer
is
certainly
no.
H
H
Have
the
experience
of
the
pea,
gravel,
driveway
next
door?
That's
been
good.
Our
neighbors
had
great
experience
with
that.
He
is,
has
really
enjoyed
having
it,
and
so
we
want
to
do
that.
So
we
just
want
to
take
all
the
concrete
out
and
take
stone
edging
to
put
along
the
edge
of
the
drive
area,
leaving
the
concrete,
curb
cut.
The
curb
cut
at
the
street
is
for
the
two
driveways
that
are
side
by
side
and
obviously
we
don't
want
to
take
that
out.
E
I
did
get
comments
from
cloverdale
in
writing
for
this
one
oca
has
never
had
an
issue
with
removing
large
amounts
of
concrete
and
replacing
it
with
grass.
We
are
also
fine
with
the
gravel
drive
and
I
would
say
that,
had
he
just
wanted
to
remove
the
parking
pad
and
sought
it,
he
would
not
have
come.
We
would
have
just
because
that's
a
good
reversal.
A
C
E
F
F
F
The
other
project,
which
is
in
the
front
yard.
Our
walkway
is
just
concrete
and
crumbling.
So
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
reinforce
it
and
we'd
also
like
to
put
some
railings
on
our
front
steps.
F
A
E
F
A
F
I
Yeah
so
we're
at
1616
south
perry
street.
It
may
say
it
on
there,
but
the
property
was
rezoned
to
b1bq
last
year,
and
so
it
will
be
an
event
venue
and
a
arts
education
facility
and
so
we're
so
long
list
of
proposals
but
kind
of
the.
I
think
the
main
one
for
discussion
is
the
adding
a
driveway
entrance
on
the
south
perry
side
and
that's
primarily
to
help
kind
of
the
flow
of
any
kind
of
traffic
onto
the
property.
N
So
you
can
see
that
on
the
very
bottom
is
south
perry
and
then
I
believe
yep
that
side
is
howard
street.
So
currently
we
already
have
the
circle
driveway
in
the
back,
as
you
can
see
from
the
pictures
and
then
we
are
proposing
the
new.
N
N
N
E
N
C
N
N
And
then,
let's
see
what
else
so
then
the
dry,
the
new
driver,
will
go
in
between
those
they
will
be
fully
screened.
We
are
doing
a
three
foot
front,
wrought
iron
fence.
Sorry,
it's
a
lot
ago
and
then
that'll
just
we're.
Keeping
with
the
I
mean
we're
trying
to
do
it
as
historically
accurate
as
possible
by
adding
in
a
new
fronts
that
would
have
looked
as
if
it
was
there
from
the
beginning.
N
We
have
all
of
our
wrought
iron
on
the
back
section
of
the
house,
as
you
can
see
in
in
the
original
historical
photo
that
I
showed
did
not
have
that
back
fencing,
that's
on
the
back
porch
right
now,
so
we're
repurposing
that
by
removing
it
and
having
john
phillips,
the
local
iron
worker
he's
going
to
make
that
into
the
front
fence.
N
Is
what
you
see
right
there
so
we're
taking
that
off,
repurposing
it
and
then
doing
as
much
as
we
can
to
match
that
fence
to
the
rest
of
it
and
then
doing
a
brick
column
kind
of
kind
of
like
how
well
a
lot
smaller
than
trinity
but
kind
of
how
they
did
around
there's
with
arching
and
then
we're
gonna.
Do
gas
lanterns
and
then
do
an
arch
over
john's
gonna
make
it
and
it'll
we're
gonna
copy
the
look
of
the
front
of
house.
N
And
then
we
have
right
now,
I
think
in
the
80s.
The
gentleman
who
owned
the
house
in
the
80s
had
taken
a
lot
of
the
brick
pavers
off
of
the
sidewalk
when
they
redid
it
and
he
had
made
a
pathway
kind
of
that
we've
discovered
from
clearing
the
property
and
so
we're
going
to
reuse
those
brick
pavers
in
our
rose
garden
in
the
middle
of
it
so
yeah.
I
think
that's
it.
C
A
E
N
It's
a
wedding
venue
and
creative
arts
education
facility,
so
we'll
have
artwork
shops
and
basically,
we
need
we
do
not
want
to
park
on
the
south
ferry
we
are
going
to
have
signs.
There
is
no
parking
on
there.
That's
really
the
the
reason
that
we
need
such
a
large,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
all
of
our
parking
is
off
the
street
and
on
our
property
itself,.
I
N
E
And
and
they
they've
had
a
few
bumps
in
the
road.
F
A
Yes,
the
minutes
were
sent
out
and
I
read
them
and
didn't
see
anything
wrong.
May
we
does
anybody
else,
have
any
additions
or
corrections
to
the
minutes,
then
they
stand
approved
as
submitted.