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within
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days
of
the
meeting,
and
we
have
seven
members
here:
six
six,
yes,.
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takes
five
months
to
pass
a
motion
because
of
the
number
of
members
present
if
you'd
like
to
delay
your
request.
Please
let
us
know
at
the
time
your
request
is
announced
all
right.
Our
board
members
here
tonight
are
cedric
campbell,
elizabeth
brown,
jake
johnson.
Thank
you,
jake
jeremy,
kelly,
john
hayden
and
hillary
morgan.
A
B
C
C
C
If
y'all
want
me
to
go
ahead
and
be
talking,
I
could
be
just
talking
to
save
time
anyway.
It's
not
that
we
really
even
want
to
paint
our
house.
We
wish
that
we
didn't
have
to
paint
because
it's
expensive,
but
they
do
make
a
paint
that
is
made
specifically
to
paint
bricks
with
that.
Will
you
know
not
cause
the
brick
to
mold
and
have
those
kind
of
issues
of
holding
water
and
things
like
that,
but
because
our
house
has
been
hodge
podged.
C
You
know
the
whole
back
of
our
house
has
a
deck
that
runs
across
it
and
someone
thought
that
that
was
a
great
idea
to
tear
off
all
the
bricks
and
there's
nothing
but
those
boards
holding
up
the
back
of
our
home.
So
it's
got
a
lot
of
issues
and
problems
and
it's
already
got
different
bricks,
different
colored,
mortar
there's.
Just
it's
all
kind
of
things
like
they
put
in
there
and
then
above
the
lentils.
C
They
did
not
use
steel,
they
put
a
sheet
of
plywood,
so
there's
plywood
holding
up
parts,
sadly
of
our
home,
so
to
get
all
that
fixed
and
to
get
it
fixed
properly
I
mean
all
those
bricks
are
going
to
have
to
come
off.
New
brick
works
going
to
have
to
be
done
to
get
that
house
structurally
sound
and
then
the
only
way
to
make
it
look
good
after
that
is
to
paint
the
house,
and
I
thought,
painting
a
nice
white
neutral
color.
Like
you
know,
the
governor's
mansion
would
probably
be
a
good.
B
E
I
was
going
to
ask
miss
mckenzie
y'all,
it
sounds
like
y'all
are
going
to
have
some
fairly
extensive
repair
work
done
on
your
house
correct.
Yes,
I
happen
to
agree
with
miss
callaway
I'd
like
to
see
what
you
have
to
do.
I
mean
I've
got
one
of
these
old
homes.
Sometimes
it's
not
as
bad
as
you
think
it
might
be.
I
think
it's
a
bit
premature
to
either
get
permission
or
deny
permission
to
paint
the
house
until
we
see
what
you're
actually
facing
and.
E
C
E
C
E
And
I
understand
I'm
not
a
contractor,
I
barely
can
change
a
light
bulb,
be
quite
honest
with
you
again
until
I
see
what
the
after
product
is
right,
I
mean
the
two
photographs
I've
seen
that
you've
provided
in
those
photographs.
I
mean
yes,
I
see
some
mold.
I
know
that
can
be
power
washed,
and
sometimes
you
can
put
a
sealant
on
brick
without
having
to
paint
it.
E
That
can
help
it,
but
if
it
is
going
to
be
like
you
said,
if
you're
going
to
have
mitch
mcbrick
things
like
that,
it
may
well
be
that
it
might
well
be
that
it
needs
painting.
In
order
for
it
to
to
look
better,
I
mean
these
type
houses
normally
are
not
painted.
I
mean
this
is
a
tudor
house,
but
again
you
know.
I
can't
see
these
members
of
this
board
can't
see
into
the
future
once
you've
done
all
your
repairs,
how
it's
going
to
look
so
again.
E
F
C
Speak
into
the
microphone
if
someone
from
the
board
could
just
come
out
and
meet
with
me
one
day
and
walk
around
the
whole
house,
and
let
me
just
show
you
everything,
because,
because
we're
really
in
kind
of
a
bad
situation,
it's
we
love
our
house.
We
love
our
neighbors,
but
I'm
not
fixing
to
go
put
a
whole
lot
of
money
into
this
house
and
fix
it.
For
someone
just
to
say,
oh
well
now
now
that
you've
spent
all
that
money,
we're
still
going
to
tell
you.
C
No,
so
I
don't
feel
good
about
fixing
all
that
then
just
to
have
to
live
with
a
house
that
looks
terrible
on
the
outside.
In
my
opinion-
and
you
know,
and
just
another
thing
I'm
going
to
address
with
y'all,
because
maybe
y'all
can
help
me
with
this
somebody's
got
up.
C
C
It
is
what
it
is.
It's
terrible
I've
reached
out
to
everyone
for
help,
so
if
anybody
can
but
that
that's,
why
I
say:
that's
it's
just
a
really
bad
situation
that
we're
in
with
a
house
that's
fallen
in
and
it
literally
is
falling
in,
and
then
I've
got
these
people
behind
me
that
are
manufacturing
meth.
C
I
have
to
breed
meth
in
my
backyard
every
single
day
to
enjoy
my
backyard,
and
you
know
so
it's
one
of
them
things
where
I'm
not
really
trying
to
be
ugly,
but
I'm
just
not
going
to
keep
investing
money
into
nothing's
ever
going
to
happen
to
the
meth
house
and
they
can
put
up
cattle
gates
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
and
do
nothing
that
the
board
tells
them
to
do.
But
yet
because
I
want
to
try
to
preserve
and
save
a
house.
C
F
I
will
let
the
board
know
that
I
did
meet
miss
mckenzie
on
site
and
we
looked
at
the
brickwork
and
I
advised
her
at
that
time
that
she
should
make
the
repairs
first
and
then
make
the
request,
because
the
condition
of
the
brick
is
not
so
bad.
I
mean
it's
nothing
like
what
you
see
in
cloverdale,
where
people
have
done
bad
patches
that
cracks
up
walls.
F
There
are
some
issues
with
some
loose
brick
in
various
places
that
will
need
to
be
repaired.
F
But
in
my
opinion,
it
wasn't
extensive
enough
without
seeing
how
those
repairs
were
going
to
be
executed
to
warrant
or
justify
painting
a
house
that
that
by
preservation,
standards,
which
is
what
we
do
would
have
been
unpainted
because
it
is
unpainted.
A
Well,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
what
I
saw
in
the
pictures
indicates
to
me
that
the
house
needs
to
be
reported
and,
if
you
repoint,
then
the
mortar's
all
going
to
look
the
same
paint
will
pretty
much
just
cover
up
problems
that
you've
got
they're
not
going
to
fix
any
problems
that
you've
got
and
your
your
brick
has
a
really
kind
of
a
ranked
surface.
A
G
You
brought
up
three
things:
okay,
you
brought
up
the
the
fact
that
there's
mold
and
I
and
mildew
and
so
forth,
on
your
mortar-
that
you
have
an
issue
with
there
is
you
can
pressure
wash
that
off
and
then
there
are
several
sealants
and
elastomeric
paints
that
will
provide
weather
protection
through
the
brick
and
through
the
mortar
that
you
currently
have
and
are
clear
in
color,
so
you
can
put
that
clear,
coating
on
the
brick
and
then
you
do
not
need
to
paint
it.
Okay,
I
agree
with
miss
brown
also
based
on
those
pictures.
G
G
We
can
go
back
and
forth
on
it.
Okay,
commercial
projects
tend
to
put
steel
above
windows,
okay
and
brick
structures,
but
especially
houses
like
this,
and
you
usually
would
see
wood
okay.
What
is
the
normal
thing
that
you're
gonna
see
as
a
hitter
of
a
window?
Even
though
it's
a
brick
structure,
so
I
am
kind
of
in
agreement
that
we
look
at
it
following
repairs
of
the
structural
issues
that
you
say
that
you
have
and
then
determine
whether
or
not
it
needs
to
be
painted.
B
I
agree
and
I'm
curious,
were
you
guys
privy
to
the
fact
that
the
home
was
under
the
purview
of
the
architecture
review
board
when
you
bought
the
home.
B
C
No,
we
didn't
and
we
knew
the
house
had
some
issues,
but
it
wasn't
to
the
extent
of
like
what
we
have
found
to
have
in
the
house.
So
it's
one
of
those
things.
C
You
really
just
have
to
go
all
in
the
house
and
you
look
at
the
house
and
I
can
appreciate
the
fact
christy
came
out
and
she
did
look,
but
we
we
went
on
one
side
of
the
house,
we
didn't
walk
around
the
whole
house
and
so,
but
if
someone
really
came
out
and
did
a
closer
observation
and
looked
at
this,
I
mean
you'd
never
be
able
to
sell
the
house.
No
one.
C
No
one
would
even
buy
it
like
this,
because
it's
and
actually
that's
how
we
found
it
because
greg
sells
houses
and
we
showed
it
to
someone
and
they
wouldn't
have
it,
and
we
had
to
have
a
house
like
asap
and
I
did
love
the
area
so
we
bought
it
because
of
that,
but
just
seeing
what
I
was
wrong
with
it
now
now,
I
probably
would
have
never
bought
it
because
it's
got
a
whole
bunch
of
problems
and
it
needs
to
be
fixed.
But
you
know
whatever.
A
C
And
it's
not
that
I'm
afraid
to
tackle
a
challenge
because
I'm
not,
but
this
house
has
been
framed
and
I
don't
really
know
how
to
explain
it
to
you.
But
it
is
not
framed
because
I've
already
had
alabama
specialist
people
come
out
and
you
know
they
really
don't
even
want
to
touch
it
because
they
do
warranty
their
work.
But
besides
all
that
it's
just
the
way
that
they
frame
the
house
is
not
typical
framing
the
way
they
did
it
and
that's
a
huge
problem
with
why
the
brick
will
not
stay
on
the
house.
C
So
you
know
I
know
all
these
things
and
I've
already
met
with
several
different
contractors
and
things
about
getting
the
house
fixed
and
it's
just
coming
down
here
and
having
the
conversation
with
y'all.
And
it's
just
going
to
determine
as
to
me
whether
I
fix
the
house
or
not,
because
I'm
not
going
to.
C
I
mean
that
house
is
covered
in
a
hodgepodge
and
actually,
when
I
read
down
here
where
it
says
about
poor
repairs,
tons
of
that
mismatch,
brick
tons
of
that
brick
veneers
got
to
be
remo
like
we
meet
all
that
under
those
department
comments.
So,
as
I
was
reading
that
I
was
like
well
that
kind
of
explains
my
house
right
there.
C
C
That
really
makes
it
even
more
just
a
whole
negative
to
the
house
so,
but
I
think
the
best
thing
that
y'all
could
do
to
try
and
save
the
house
is,
but
really
is
for
someone
else
to
come
back
and
let
me
just
re-show
them
every
bit
of
the
house
all
the
way
around
from
top
to
bottom.
What
we're
talking
about
because
those
pictures
don't
do
it
any
justice
that
y'all
have
nor
do
the
ones
that
I
gave
you
because
there's
a
lot
more
to
it
than
just
looking
at
a
couple
of
pictures.
A
A
F
F
Apparently
there
there
was
a
great
debate
between
spouses
over
pruning
versus
removing
and
the
pruning
has
prevailed
at
this
juncture.
I
I
I
Well,
those
that's
the
front
yard,
so
there's
several,
you
know
different
sites
where
the
hackberry
trees
need
to
need
to
be
removed.
I'm
I'm
in
the
tree
service
business
I
own
bullseye
tree
service,
so
that
this
is
pretty
much
what
I
do
for
a
living
and
I
buy
these.
I
buy
some
houses
from
time
to
time
for
for
fun
and
that
that's
a
good
view
that
so
does
miss
anderson.
A
I
A
B
E
F
A
B
B
B
All
right,
I'm
sorry,
so
we
both
have
a
soft
voice.
Mr
freeman,
mr
friedman
would
like
to
be
able
to
replace
his
current
storage
shed,
which
is
looks
like
was
built
in
like
1970.
It's
a
metal
building,
it's
falling
apart,
he's
chosen
one,
that's
you
guys
have
already
approved
before
in
several
other
neighborhoods
and
in
ours.
He
just
wants
to
replace
it
in
exactly
the
same
place
where
his
current
shot
is.
A
A
H
We
bought
our
house
in
cottage
hill
in
september
of
2019
and
about
a
month
later
we
received
a
letter
from
our
insurance
saying
they
were
going
to
drop
us
unless
we
put
a
railing
on
the
front
porch,
because
there's
currently
no
railing
at
all,
and
so
I
came
up
with
the
designs
and
set
them.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
those
to
look
at
here.
F
H
Perfect
yeah,
so
I
designed
this
rail
and
I'm
gonna
be
the
one
building
it
as
well,
and
I
tried
to
make
it
cohesive
with
the
current
spindles
that
are
on
the
house
currently
and
yes,
I
just
need
approval
for
that.
H
H
So
that
28
inches
is
incorrect.
The
rail
itself,
from
top
of
the
rail
to
bottom
of
the
rail,
will
be
36
but
to
the
bottom
of
the
porch.
That's
an
extra
six
inches,
so
that'll
be
42.
E
H
And
I
am
going
to
use
regular
lumber
rather
than
pressure
treated
because
with
pressure
treated,
you
have
to
wait
six
months
to
paint
it
and
I
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
get
it
cohesive
with
the
house.
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
paint
it
when
I
put
it
up.
F
We
we
built
a
porch
rail
for
our
house
and
we
got
the
top.
We
bought
the
handrail,
but
we
we
plowed
two
by
fours
and
cut
our
other
pieces
out
of
cedar.
F
H
F
To
to
build
that.
D
B
A
A
H
A
F
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
more
of
a,
but
this
is
craftsman.
East.
F
You
know,
and
most
most
of
the
portrayals
on
the
street
are
more
that
cut
scroll
work,
although
there
is
one
around
on
clayton
street,
that
has
an
east
lakey,
porch
rail,
and
I
know
that
because
it
matches
the
the
details
that
we
put
back
on
that
house
across
the
street,
where
it's
a
like
a
three
or
five
picket
pattern
with
a
star.
A
Yeah
or
you
could
they
would
like,
they
would
have
rail,
and
then
they
would
have
something
that
made
a
panel.
You
could
put
like
a
certain
number
of
the
pickets
and
then
do
all
those
two
inch
ones
that
you
wanted
to
do
together
and
then
so
it
acted
like
a
panel
and
do
the
the
other
ones
rather
than
alternating
them.
The
way
you
show
them.
A
F
What
would
be
I,
what
we
could
do
is,
since
my
understanding
is
you
have
you
were
the
talent
that
actually
drew
this
up
in
the
in
the
software
is
get
maybe
get
some
specific
parameters
and
have
you
alter
it
and
just
send
it
to
me
and
if
it
matches
what
that
that
that
different
spacing,
whether
it's
a
just
the
individual
picket,
so
it's
a
single
or,
however,
you
describe
the
grouping
of
panels
and
we
can
just
verify
it'll
go
in
the
file
that
you
know
they
submitted
the
plan,
as
has
discussed.
A
You
could
you
could
do
that
or
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
panel
you'd
need
to
group
those
bigger
pieces
together
so
that
it
appeared
more
panel-like
sort
of
look
at
the
bottom
of
the
bay
on
that
house.
You've
got
you
know
a
structural
piece
and
then
a
panel,
a
structural
piece
and
then
a
panel.
There
would
need
to
be
some
sort
of
repetition
of
things.
G
H
Because
the
house
on
martha-
I
don't
know
the
house
number,
but
it's
on
the
corner,
it's
grayish.
This
is
their
exact
railing
and
I
thought
through
searching
through
the
neighborhood,
that
that
fit
the
upper
spindles
that
currently
exist
best
versus
anything
else.
That's
in
the
neighborhood,
so
that
was
just
personal.
A
H
I
mean
I
certainly
want
to
see
what
that
looks
like,
so
I
don't
mind
changing
that
and
seeing
and
then,
if
I
don't
like
it,
then
I'll
just
do
the
two
by
twos,
okay,.
B
A
A
Upon
the
submission
of
a
satisfactory
new
design
to
for
review
to
ms
anderson,
who
can
make
a
decision
based
on
the
things
that
we've
discussed
here,
which
include
a
rail
and
panel
sort
of
situation
or
a
design
that
included
more
of
the
smaller
pickets
and
fewer
of
the
bigger
pickets,
is
that
okay?
Is
that
good?
Miss
anderson.
A
F
Richard
carey,
it
actually
prompted
me
to
ask
how
they
came
up
with
the
drawings
to
see.
If
I
could
point
people
to
something,
but
sketchup
and
skill
is
apparently
what
got
that
one.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
this
particular
probably
the
roof
and
the
property
itself.
I
believe
that's
a
1930
building,
that's
that's
what
it
where
it's,
how
old
the
roof
is
and
the
structure,
but
anyway
it's
got
cement,
tile,
cement,
tile,
shingles
on
it,
and
we
what
I
tried
to
do
in
coordination
with
miss
anderson
got
got
some
advice
from
her.
I
tried
to
match
that
distinctive
pattern
on
the
roof,
which
is
like
a
diamond
shape
by
looking
for
a
custom
shingle.
B
We
also
looked
into
the
possibility
of
repairing
or
replacing
it
with
the
existing
material,
both
of
those
proved
to
be
very
difficult.
We
were
unable
to
make
any
of
those
work
in
some
cases
because
of
cost
with
original
materials
and
because
of
lack
of
anything
custom,
there
used
to
be
some
some
some
items
that
existed
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
Several
of
the
custom
shingles
that
were
similar
are
no
longer
being
made.
D
Darby
forrester,
representing
the
old
cloverdale
association,
mr
carey,
came
to
our
our
meeting
and
we've
discussed
this
and
we've
talked
with
him
and
I
think
he's
made
a
good
faith
effort
to
try
to
find
someone
to
replace
the
the
shingles
the
way
they
are.
I
think
you
said
that
you
found
one
guy
and
he
was
in
the
hospital
hooked
up
to
an
iv
at
the
time
you
talked
to
him
so
that
doesn't
sound
real
good
one
of
the
issues
you
have.
D
Yes,
we
would
like
to
have
the
original
type
roof
put
back
on,
but
you're
getting
to
the
point
where
you
can't
find
that
material
and
you
can't
find
the
craftsman
to
do
it
and
putting
a
roof
on
that's
not
done
correctly,
can
be
pretty
detrimental
to
any
building.
So
while
we
under
well,
we
would
like
to
have
something
similar
back
on.
We
do
understand
that
it's
probably
not
going
to
happen
so
we're
okay
with
the
architectural.
E
Well,
we
do
understand
the
building
was
built
in
the
30s,
you
say,
and
you
have
found
out,
they
just
don't
make
some
stuff
anymore
and
if
you
can
find
it,
it's
probably
in
north
dakota,
somewhere.
G
Personally,
I,
like
the
current
the
design
of
the
current
roof,
but
you're
not
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
extremely
difficult
to
find
that
okay,
I
think
going
with
an
architectural
shingle
is
a
great
idea.
I
think,
based
on
the
information
you
presented
about
the
shingles
that
would
be
used
in
the
weather,
wood
is
probably
the
best
option
I
can
think
of
to
put
up
there.
So.
A
K
B
A
All
right,
1000,
felder
avenue
a
new
roof
replace
a
cement
towel.
Is
that
this
one
yeah?
F
I
know
he
lives
out
of
town,
but
I
did
not
hear
anything
from
him,
so
we
can
check
at
the
end,
although
I
did,
if
you
note
I
did
when
I
pulled
the
file,
this
metal
roof
was
put
on
in
violation
of
the
historic
ordinance
when
it
was
put
on
in
1994.
A
A
E
K
B
K
This
building
known
as
knox
hall
here
in
montgomery,
has
most
recently
been
an
architect's
office,
and
the
changes
that
we
come
here
before
you
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
exterior
or
the
interior
of
the
building
is
only
to
to
construct
a
driveway
on
the
perry
street
side
of
the
building,
the
main
frontage
and
put
a
fountain
in
the
middle
of
that
corkscrew
driveway.
K
K
Have
a
have
a
consulting
engineer
in
the
family
who
has
drawn
this
out
and
we've
also
consulted
with
a
driveway
contractor
about
it.
The
comments
from
the
historical
commission
were,
we
believe,
miss
they
misjudged
what
they
saw
from
an
old
photograph
as
a
walkway,
when
in
fact
it
was
had
been
a
driveway
earlier
and
we
have,
and
now
you
have
those
pictures,
one
from
the
montgomery
advertiser
a
few
years
back,
but
it
shows
the
full
driveway
as
it
was
in
the
1890s.
K
I
assume
this
is
the
the
historical
commission
as
well
that
they
wanted
the
path,
a
pedestrian
walkway,
but
that's
actually
something
that
we
would
want
to
avoid,
because
if
you
have
this
driveway
it
can
pull
right
up
to
the
door
front
and
let
people
off
it
at
street
level.
K
K
Possibility
of
the
trees
coming
down
with
the
construction,
the
construction
is
just
not
that
invasive,
but
we're
willing
to
to
take
advice
on
that.
It
says
no
additional
landscaping
is
proposed,
but
there
is
landscaping
proposed.
I
think
from
here
you'll
see
in
your
documents
that
there's
landscaping
around
the
fountain
for
floral
landscaping.
K
K
E
A
K
A
E
Good,
the
exhibit
she
just
gave
us
exhibit
number
four
shows
what
it
says
is
a
photograph
masonic
home
in
montgomery.
A
Three,
what
it's
showing
is
pretty
much
that
there
was
a
walkway
or
a
driveway
that
came
up,
and
then
there
was
a
they
didn't
come
back
the
same
way
they
went
around
this
way.
Do
you
I
don't
know
what
is?
I
don't
know
the
current
boundaries
of
the
property
as
far
as
before
you
fall
off
into
the
baptist
church
parking
lot.
There.
A
F
G
That's
that's
my
main
concern
if
you
looking
at
it.
If
you
come
in,
come
off
that
18
feet,
okay
and
you
were
to
rotate
around
that
at
a
14
foot
radius
around
there.
You
have
to
have
a
really
good
vehicle
to
do
that
or
I
think
we're
going
to
have
issues
with
the
way
the
fountain
is
and
then
the
other
concern
I
have
is.
G
You,
then,
would
have
another
car
if
one
car
is
coming
in
other
cars
coming
out,
ideally
at
some
point
if
they
were
to
meet,
I
think
that
there's
going
to
be
multiple
spots,
where
you're
going
to
then
have
a
problem
with
a
with
multiple
cars
in
that
area.
J
J
The
idea
is
to
come
into
the
driveway
at
five
miles
an
hour
and
it's
not
a
parking
lot,
so
you're
just
making
it
turning
around
just
like
home,
which
I
do
that
every
day
at
my
house,
on
in
one
meadows
and
the
reason
we
try
not
to
do
a
circular
like
a
d-shaped
driveway,
is
to
save
those
big
trees
that
have
been
there
for
years,
dick
hutchins,
who
is
also
a
professor
at
alban,
and
he
works
on
historical
things.
He
wanted
me
to
get
rid
of
those
two.
He
said
get
him
out.
J
F
E
E
F
And
the
my
very
rudimentary
thing
on
the
site
plan
was
just
so
you
could
see
the
actual
aerial
view
of
the
building
and
the
property
lines,
because
that
you
know
elizabeth
asked
that
question
about
stuff
that
had
been
peeled
off
from
when
these
earlier
pictures
were
were
taken.
Okay,.
G
E
You
want
to
install
a
fountain,
of
course,
you've
got
to
have
a
water
source.
Do
you
know,
are
you
I
guess
you're
going
to
have
to
tap
the
line
from
the
city
you're
going
to
have
to
lay
the
lines
to
get
to
the
to
the
fountain?
I
don't
see
where
those
are
in
any
of
the
things
you
provided
prior
to
or
at
the
meeting
where
the
water
lines
going
to
be.
Are
they
going
to
be
close
to
the
trees.
J
There's
already
irrigation
on
the
front
yard
of
the
property.
B
J
J
A
B
B
C
E
Parking
lot
I
mean
you
know
the
way,
I'm
thinking
right
now
and
I
mean
we
might
not
make
a
decision
today.
But
if
you
narrow
this
driveway,
you
have
it
at
18
feet.
Right
now
and
I
understand
you're
going
to
have
vehicles
from
large
and
small,
probably
driving
up,
dropping
off
things
like
that,
rather
than
18
feet.
If
it
were
cut
to
10.,
you
don't
want
you,
you
don't
want
people
coming
and
going
at
the
same
time
again,
even
if
it's
even
if
it's
18
feet,
you're
going
to.
J
B
E
In
your
front
yard
guaranteed,
but
if
it
were
ten
feet
or
between
nine
and
ten
feet,
how
long
did
you
say.
E
E
E
K
F
I
think
one
of
the
issues
with
narrowing
it
is
that
you
may
end
up
with
a
traffic
backup
on
perry
street
too,
because
you've
got
people's.
If
I
don't
know
how
you
would
regulate,
if
if
they
have
an
event
that
is
starting
at
eight
o'clock
and
the
cars
start
coming
in
and
dropping
people
off,
you
know
that's
can.
That
could
be
very
cumbersome.
F
Where
are
people
parking,
I
mean
eventually
someone's
going
to
have
to
walk
where?
Where
did.
F
A
I
don't
think
it's
I
think
it's
possible
to
make
a
proper
driveway
that
would
solve
your
thank
you
problems
and
be
consistent
with
the
historic
house,
but
I
don't,
in
my
opinion,
would
be
that
I
don't
think
that
the
design
that
you've
presented
today
is
it.
I
don't.
I
think
it
looks
a
little
too
commercial
a
little
too
hotel-ish.
A
Maybe
it
just
needs
to
be
the
driveway,
and
I
think
that
the
the
picture
that
your
lawyer
put
in
here
of
the
masonic
home,
although
they
are
different
times,
I
think
that
pedestrians
are
walking
here
and
cars
are
going
here
is,
is
is
a
good
plan
and
and
one
that
would
be
un
less
noticeable
on
the
landscape
and
just
accept
the
fact
that
we
don't
kill
these
trees
and
go
ahead.
Take
them
out
and
plant
good
trees.
A
These
are
are
have
certainly
gone
into
the
last
third
of
their
life
anyway,
and
so
I
don't
think
replacing
them
at
this.
It
would
be
better
than
watching
them
turn
into
horrible
twisted
pieces
of
dead
limbs
over
the
next
couple
of
years
to
just
go
ahead
and
put
your
trees
in
ethan
has
just
passed
out
in
his
chair.
I'm
sorry.
G
My
opinion
looking
at
is
kind
of
the
same.
Basically,
if
you
look
at
the
masonic
home,
you
can
come
in.
Basically,
it's
a
large
loop.
You
can
come
in
on
a
one-way
street,
go
in
that
loop
and
come
out
the
other
side.
Okay,
we
can't
okay,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
masonic
home
right
image
that
you
sent
okay,
I
think
that's
a
better
solution.
Just
because
you
come
in
on
a
one-way
street.
You
loop
around.
G
Okay,
then,
there's
also
my
opinion.
You're
gonna
have
a
traffic
jam
within
the
actual
driveway
itself.
Okay,
I
don't
think
the
width
is
large
enough
to
get
a
car
in
and
get
a
car
out,
and
I
think
by
narrowing
that
width
down
then
you're
limiting
only
one
car
in
until
it's
out
before
another
car
comes
in,
which
is
going
to
end
up
being
a
problem,
because
somebody
sooner
or
later
is
going
to
want
to
come
in
that
driveway
at
the
same
time.
G
So,
looking
at
that,
I
feel
like
the
driveway
either
needs
to
get
larger,
which
is
going
to
be
more
intrusive,
okay
in
front
of
the
home
and
then
you're
still
either
way
going
to
be
taking
out
the
trees.
G
G
I
can
especially
you
guys
talking
about
brides
and
grooms
and
so
forth
and
they're
going
to
want
to
get
in
the
car
before
they
leave
and
all
of
that,
but
I
think
that
the
design
that
we
were
given
is
probably
not
the
best
design.
G
Currently,
okay,
I
think
either
way
with
what
you're
doing,
if
you
were
to
keep
this
design.
I
think
you
really
need
to
talk
to
someone
a
civil
engineer
so
forth.
Who
can
do
a
traffic
pattern
study
inside
of
this
and
make
sure
that
it
fits
it
will
work
and
not
cause
an
issue.
K
So
you'd
you'd
be
happy
if
we
had
a
civil
engineer
sign
off
on
this
plan
if
he
said
that
it
would
not
cause
traffic
jam
and
it
and
it
would
not,
and
that
the
turn
ratio
was
sufficient.
G
G
J
The
10
ratio
for
the
hill
center
cutter-
I
think
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
The
law
center
is
25
feet,
radius
to
get
get
in.
F
J
But
since
the
reason
it
is
one
way
is
you're
going
in
and
the
good
thing
about
it
is
a
one-way
street.
Had
it
been
a
two-way
street,
we
would
not
have
been
here
before
you
guys.
I
mean
absolutely
not,
because
two-way
would
have
put
an
end
to
all
that,
since
it
is
a
one-way,
it's
easy
to
go
slower,
speed.
There's
a
traffic
right
right
there
at
the
junction
of
I
think,
is
what
is
that?
J
G
G
A
There
all
of
us
that
that
have
worked
in
in
careers
that
have
made
us
understand
that
things
have
to
both
look
good
and
work
tend
to
get
caught
up
in
how
to
make
it
work.
But
our
job
here
really
is:
does
this
damage
the
historic
character
of
the
home?
Does
it
interfere
with
the
historic
view
of
the
home
from
perry
street,
which
is
the
primary
view,
and
I
think
that
the
plan
that
you've
submitted
does,
but
I'm
not
saying
that
I
don't
think.
A
I
think
that
there
are
plans
that
you
can
come
up,
that
you
can
get
a
landscape
architect
or
someone
accustomed
to
doing
this
kind
of
or
an
engineer
who's
accustomed
to
doing
this
kind
of
thing
can
do
it.
You
know
with.
If
you
put
in
a
curb,
then
you
depress
the
road.
So
what
the
person
who
drives
bound
perry
street
sees
is
if
the
driveway
is
closer
to
the
house,
then
then
they're
not
going
to
see
the
driveway
in
particular
they're
still
going
to
see
exactly
what
they're
seeing
now.
A
A
J
A
J
A
Well,
I'm
looking
at
the
front
of
the
in
exhibit
three
and
I'm
seeing
a
walk.
That
goes
straight
up
the
middle
of
the
lot.
A
I'm
sorry
these
microphones,
honestly,
I
I'm
looking
at
this
picture.
J
Again,
keep
in
mind
this
was
this
house
was
built
for
knoxville,
who
hide,
who
hide
the
top-notch
architect
out
there,
who
probably
wasn't
stingy
at
all,
to
think
that
he
and
his
wife
would
be
dropped
off
off
the
street
and
they
would
walk
all
the
way
to
the
front
of
the
house.
So
there
was
carriage.
A
J
E
E
E
I'm
looking
at
page
eight
in
our
handout.
In
any
event,
again,
I
don't
think
we're
saying
or
giving
indications
that
you
know
we're
dead,
set
against
the
driveway
being
placed
it's
it's
the
design
and
its
workability.
Its
feasibility
is,
I
think,
is
what's
giving
the
members
of
this
board
some
pause.
B
A
J
A
Well,
I
think
that
we
need
a
motion
to
table
this
project
until
you
have
time
to
more
fully
develop
your
landscape
plan.
E
J
F
Again
so
be
sure
to
give
yourself
enough
time
to
to
take
what
they
have
said
into
consideration.
E
Okay,
okay,
so
I
will.
I
will
move
the
table
this
request
until
next
month
to
give
the
petitioners
time
to
consult
with
experts
and
submit
additional
plans.
F
E
F
B
F
Except
it
looks
like
maybe
I
shouldn't
have
let
number.
E
F
We'll
give
them
one
more
and
then
we'll
just
file
it
in
court
sounds.
F
Yeah
I
mean
that
and
the
the
contractor
had
when
he
submitted
the
application
noted
window
changes.
I
was
like
whoa.
What
are
you
talking
about
he's
like?
Well,
I
just
noticed
that
some
of
the
windows
weren't
original,
but
they
were
ones
that
I
had
looked
at
with
a
previous
contractor
and
they've,
been
on
street
view
for
since
we've
got
images
on
street
view.
So.
A
A
B
A
A
H
Okay,
I'm
requesting
approval
after
the
fact
for
a
deck
cover.
I
see
that
it's
not
the
correct
metal,
so
obviously,
I'm
not
opposed
to
changing
it.
K
B
A
A
D
Darby
farster
I'm
recommending
representing
the
old
cloverdale
association,
I'd
like
to
add
that
in
2018
she
came
before
the
board
for
painting
her
house
navy,
blue
and
putting
the
shutters
up
without
getting
permission
at
that
point
at
that
meeting-
and
I
was
representing
the
old
cloverdale
association
at
that
meeting,
it
was
made
perfectly
clear
that
anything
that
you
do
to
the
outside
of
your
house
has
to
come
before
the
architectural
review
board.
D
D
It's
also
not.
That
is
a
ranch
house
and
it's
just
not
compatible
with
it.
It's
a
farmhouse,
chic
or
you
know
joanna
gaines
type
thing
and
that
doesn't
really
go
with
a
ranch
house.
I
would
think
that
more
of
a
maybe
a
hip
roof
with
matching
shingles
will
look
better
over
the
screen
porch
than
the
what
is
currently
there.
D
A
D
Yes,
something
that
is
more
in
line
with
a
ranch
with
a
ranch
house
than
that
which
really
looks
more
farmhousey
type.
It
doesn't,
in
my
opinion,
go
with
the
ranch
house.
There
are
ways
to
add
covered
porches
or
decks
on
ranch
houses
that
are
more
in
line
with
the
architecture.
D
A
E
E
E
D
D
D
I
mean,
I
think
the
board
has
to
ask.
Would
you
have
approved
this?
If
she
had
come
before
you,
you
know
we're
getting
a
lot
more
in
all
the
historic
districts
of.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
know,
and
it's
it's
really
not
fair
to
those
who
come
before
you
and
and
ask
for
it.
You
know,
have
to
say
richard
carey
who
was
here
about
his
roof.
He
did
a
lot
of
work.
He
got
a
lot
of
quotes.
D
G
I
think
that
the
style
and
the
profile
of
your
porch
okay
in
that
roof,
does
not
blend
itself
with
the
actual
house.
Okay,
my
other
concern
with
it
is
the
gauge
of
the
metal
that
you
put
on
the
porch
okay
in
relation
to
the
profile
of
it
not
being
finished
out
also
lends
itself
to
not
fitting
in
with
the
style
and
the
look
of
the
house.
G
My
other
concern,
just
with
the
metal
in
itself,
is,
if
you
look
at
some
of
these
sides
and
the
profile
of
it
it's
so
then
my
concern
would
be
uplift
with
wind,
okay
and
how
that's
tied
down.
I
can't
I
mean
we
can't
see
that,
but
I'm
just
telling
you
so
that's
kind
of
my
thoughts.
There.
A
G
And
especially,
if
you
look
at
that,
it's
page
62
in
our
packet,
which
is
that
picture
that
profile
so
then,
and
the
overhang
that
you're
seeing
is
gonna
help
with
the
uplift
that's
coming
in.
Okay
and
the
way
it
appears
attached
to
the
main
roof
would
be
my
other
concern,
because
you're
also
going
to
then
have
if
it
starts
to
uplift
you're,
going
to
have
issues
along
that.
E
E
So,
thank
you
very
concerns
for
the
board
and
it
didn't
even
dawn
on
me
what
hillary
said,
but
I
have
seen
these
on.
You
get
a
good
gust
to
win,
which
you
know
we're
about
to
get
some
not
as
bad
as
texas,
thank
goodness
but
yeah.
When
it's
attached
to
the
roof,
you
hit
it
just
right
and
it
can
has
caused
some
difficulties.
So
would
you
like
to
come?
Would
you
like
next
time
or
maybe
6
30
days,
60
days,
how.
E
H
B
B
G
Recommendation
is
you
put
down?
Is
you
put
down
a
wood?
Okay,
probably
plywood,
on
top
of
the
current
structure,
that
you
have?
Okay,
that
to
be
your
wood
decking,
then,
on
top
of
the
wood
decking,
okay,
you'll
probably
put
some
for
sort
of
protective
coating.
A
plot
and
some
sort
of
underlayment
is
what
he's
gonna
put
and
then
on
top
of
that
add
the
shingles
shingles
yes,
and
then
around
that
location.
I
would
put
a
fascia
and
soffit
board
okay
to
hide
the
underneath
okay
and
to
hide
the
sides
going
around
it.
E
It
it'll
look
a
lot
better
and
it'll.
I
was
about
to
say,
weather
the
weather
a
lot
better,
but
it
it
will
stand
up
to
and
probably
last
longer
than
I
think
what's
there.
So
at
this
point
I
knew
that
we
tabled
this
request
for
30
days
and
miss
jordan
could
ask
for
additional
time,
if
necessary,
with
ms.
A
F
F
She
is
asking
for
permission
before
the
fact
to
add
a
a
roof
cover
for
an
existing
deck
behind
her
house.
Her
contractor
did
a
rough
sketch
of
tying
into
the
the
eve
and
being
supported
above
the
existing
railing
she's,
proposing
a
5b
crimp
in
one
of
those
light.
Colors.
F
She
wanted
something:
that's
close,
that
that
the
trim
is
not
quite
white.
She
was
trying
to
get
something
that
wanted
to
pick
something
that
would
blend
in
a
little
better
and
not
absorb
as
much
heat.
This
will
be
virtually
invisible
from
anywhere
outside
of
her
backyard.
D
Derby
foster
representing
the
old
cloverdale
association,
we
don't
have
an
issue
with
this.
We
think
it
will
look
nice,
it's
not
going
to
be
seen
by
anybody,
but
I
did
talk
with
christy
and
she
is
going
to
paint
it
to
match
the
rest
of
the
deck
and
I
think
it'll
look,
you
know
finished
and
nice
and
the
only
way
you're
going
to
see
it
is
if
you
get
invited
to
her
backyard.
F
All
right:
do
you
have
any
similar
issues
with
finishing
out
the
edge
as
discussed
on
the
previous
submission,
I'm
going
to
guess
that
it'll,
probably
the.