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From YouTube: Montgomery Architectural Review Board (10/25/22)
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Architectural Review Board
October 25, 2022 – 5:30 p.m.
A
And
present
then
present
your
request.
The
board
will
ask
any
questions
they
may
have.
Then
anyone
from
the
audience
wishing
to
speak
to
the
proposal
will
be
asked
to
come
forward
again
to
the
podium
and
voice
their
opinions.
Each
side
will
have
10
minutes
to
speak
if
there
are
opposing
sides
to
a
particular
problem.
A
A
All
Decisions
by
the
architecture
review
board
are
final.
Any
person
having
a
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
denied
by
the
board
May
appeal
that
denial
to
the
Montgomery
County
Circuit
Court,
any
such
appeal
filed
with
a
circuit
court
within
30
days
of
the
receipt
of
the
final
notice
from
the
board.
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A
A
B
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A
D
D
E
E
D
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F
D
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G
G
If
you
scroll
down
to
the
next
page
I
believe
you
can
see
where
we
started
the
fence,
but
we
were
told
that
we
need
to
ask
as
far
as
continuing
that
fence
line
up
the
side
since
it
can't
be
seen
from
Madison.
The
fence
will
just
continue
to
replace
the
chain
link
fence
and
the
side
fence
to
the
side
of
us.
That's
at
1612,
Madison
Avenue.
That
fence
is
just
falling
down.
It's
a
wooden
fence,
but
we'll
make
it
All
Uniform
six
foot
fence
nothing
crazy.
G
G
I'm
assuming
you're
having
a
gate,
but
yes
ma'am,
there's
going
to
be
two
side
gates
to
the
side
of
the
house
and
that's
going
to
be
in
the
first
one.
This
one
is
a
little
modern
for
probably
what
we're
doing,
but
it's
the
same
idea.
It
will
have
the
same
insert
as
far
as
that
glass
to
where
you'll
be
able
to
see
through
it.
It
might
be
opaque.
We
haven't
fully
decided
as
far
as
that
goes,
but
you
will
be
able
to
see
through
to
the
back
of
the
yard.
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A
A
I
So
we're
yeah,
you
can
see
the
house
here,
I
guess
the
way
it
was
10
years
ago
on
Christy
with
the
with
the
tree
on
the
side
where
the
current
parking
area
is.
We
would
like
to
remove
that
parking
area
and
to
add
the
tree
back
there
so
I
see.
In
the
note
there
were
some
recommendations
and
we'll
we'll
follow
those
recommendations
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
yeah
it's
along
Cloverdale
is
where
the
parking
area
is
it
just
it
just
doesn't
look
good.
A
I
I
So
it's
pretty
on
the
front
and
back
to
see
the
little
paper.
So
if
you
can
see
on
the
site
plan,
you
can
see
the
area
that
will
remove
the
parking
area
and
then
over
to
the
right
of
it
between
us
and
the
Richardsons
at
728.
We're
asking
to
add
a
carport
to
replace
the
shed.
That's
in
the
back,
the
driveway
will
be
off
of
Felder,
then,
okay
and
I
think
there
should
be
some
pictures
on
here
of
some
of
the
detail.
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D
Everyone
at
those
meetings
was
thrilled
with
what
he's
recommending
to
do.
We're
glad
that
he
picked
up
the
arts
and
craft
brackets
to
to
put
on
his
carport,
and
we
were
opposed
to
what
happened
before
and
the
person
who
killed
that
tree
by
cutting
the
roots
was
supposed.
This
man
said
you
will
replace
it.
They've
escaped
so
we're
glad
that
that
tree
is
going
back.
Those
curb
Cuts
will
be
replaced
with
curbing
we're
so
happy
excellent.
A
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Neil
Weber
I
am
the
director
of
development
for
Mapco
I'm
here
this
evening
to
present
our
case
for
the
approval
of
our
development
at
the
property
located
on
hold
clay
and
Heron.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
members
of
the
board
for
allowing
us
to
present
tonight,
as
well
as
all
the
community
members
that
have
been
actively
engaged
in
this
process
as
well.
C
Mike,
could
you
bring
that
up
and
before
before
you
start,
and
we
start
your
clock-
I
had
discussed
with
the
chair
and
had
discussed
with
you.
Is
that
we'll
do
this
in
two
pieces,
so
you
can
have
10
minutes
to
discuss
the
demolition
portion
of
it
and
then
you
can
have
10
minutes
to
discuss
the
replacement
plan.
So
we
would
ask
that
those
be
considered
as
separate
issues,
because
if
they're
not
going
to
approve
the
demolition,
then
there's
no
point
in
the
replacement
plan.
Does
that
make
sense?
But.
C
J
J
This
will
be
a
little
bit
co-mingled
between
portions
of
the
the
Demolition
and
the
replacement,
but
the
the
first
slide
is
kind
of
highlighting
the
design
of
the
store.
This
is
a
new
prototype
for
us.
There
are
only
eight
of
these
stores
that
we've
built
so
far.
Only
one
of
those
is
located
in
Montgomery.
This
store
is
already
one
two
International
retail
Design,
Awards
I.
Think
one
of
the
key
elements
in
in
this
design
is
its
transparency
and
openness.
You
can
see
from
these
images.
J
One
of
the
key
elements
is
the
amount
of
glazing
we
are
trying
to
maximize
on
the
window
space
on
these
stores
floor
to
ceiling
windows,
we
also
even
add
skylights
to
the
restrooms
just
to
bring
in
the
natural
light.
We
feel
the
the
the
glazing
and
the
amount
of
glazing
allows
for
us
to
both
show
a
level
of
transparency
between
the
interior
and
exterior,
also
maximizing
on
natural
light,
which
we
think
enhances
the
the
customer
experience.
J
J
C
J
E
J
Understood,
okay,
I
think
if
we
go
ahead
and
then
skip
to
the
the
two
more
slides
I
believe,
so
these
are
images
of
the
existing
site.
We
there
are
currently
two
structures
that
on
the
site,
one
of
them
the
owner,
has
already
been
requested
by
the
city
to
demolish
the
other.
Is
the
former
Stearns
building
the
current
owner
of
this
store
or
this
location
took
possession
began?
J
These
stores,
or
these
buildings
are
also
already
in
you
know,
a
severe
disrepair.
So
you
know
what
we're
offering
here
is
a
an
ability
to
redevelop
the
site
before
the
before
the
building
falls
into
further
disrepair,
and
the
owner
gets
another
letter
from
from
the
city
asking
for
the
demolition
of
this
site
and
this
building
as
well.
You
can
see
from
the
picture
in
the
lower
right
hand,
side
there
has
been
some
homeless
kind
of
in
camping
along
the
front
of
the
building.
J
Many
of
those
trees
have
been
removed
to
kind
of
open
up
and
kind
of
discourage
that
type
of
activity,
but
I
do
think
that
that
will,
once
again
without
development,
be
overgrown
and
promote
that
type
of
activity.
So
I
think
you
know
from
the
standpoint
of
this
building.
This
is
a
a
1900
square
foot
building
on
a
challenge
site
in
that
there
is
a
12
foot
to
14
foot
embankment
in
the
rear.
J
The
ability
to
rehab
this
site
as
it
stands
right
now,
and
provide
adequate
parking
for
a
1900
square
foot
building
currently
does
not
exist
for
a
1900
square
foot
retail
facility.
You
would
need
approximately
78
parking
spots
and
due
to
the
topography,
you
know
that
would
either
have
to
be
done
at
a
much
higher
level
or
would
have
to
be
street
parking
which
inevitably
would
kind
of
lead
to
to
those
78
parking
spots
and
some
of
them
creeping
more
into
the
residential
area.
So
you
know
the
site,
as
it
exists.
J
Right
now
is
not
conducive
to
development.
It
there
does
need
to
be
extensive
excavation
in
order
just
to
keep
it
up
to
the
requirements
for
parking,
and
that
goes
without
saying
that
the
rehabilitation
cost
of
this
building
you
know,
probably
do
not
justify.
You
know
the
you
know
the
end
user
that
you
may
find
willing
to
locate
in
a
site
located
across
the
street
from
I-65.
J
J
J
A
few
years
later,
when
the
historic
Cottage
Hill
was
established
by
the
city
of
Montgomery,
which
you'll
see
through
the
years,
this
is
kind
of
showing
that
this
site,
you
know
because
of
its
I,
think
because
of
its
proximity
to
the
interstate,
because
it
is
bounded
on
the
North
and
the
South
by
Heron
and
by
Clay
that
you
know
with
those
arterial
those
kind
of
feeder
roads
into
downtown.
You
know
it
has
kind
of
stymied
the
development
in
this
area.
J
You
will
see
that
you
know
up
until
probably
I
believe
what
I
could
calculate
the
convenience
store
that
was
to
our
South
was
demolished
somewhere
between
20
and
2003
and
2005.
You
know
this.
This
site
has
had
vacant
Lots
on
all
sides
of
it.
You
know
for
almost
20
years
now
and
I
think
you
know
our
hope
is
to
come
in
and
try
to
you
know,
develop
a
new
store
there,
but
that
would
only
be
done
through
the
demolition
of
these
these
buildings
that
have
been
there
and
unchanged
for
at
a
minimum.
M
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jake
Johnson
I'm,
a
resident
of
Cottage
Hill
and
also
the
Cottage
Hill
Neighborhood
Foundation.
President
I've
prepared
a
few
comments
for
tonight.
Ultimately,
it
touches
on
the
demolition
of
the
existing
site,
the
existing
structures,
as
well
as
our
thoughts,
the
neighborhood's
thoughts
on
the
proposed
Redevelopment
as
well,
so
I
may
be
jumping
ahead
a
little
bit,
but
ultimately
it
will
be
applicable
to
what
we've
just
seen
and
what
we
will
see
in
the
future.
B
B
B
First,
the
lack
of
respect
for
City
process
by
the
petitioners
is
extremely.
Concerning
the
neighborhood's
opposition
2
Mapco
first
began
when
the
owner
petitioned
city
council
for
the
removal
of
the
subject
property
from
our
historic
district.
The
City
attorney
made
it
clear
that
city
council
did
not
have
the
authority
to
alter
or
modify
the
existing
historic
districts.
The
neighborhood
threatened
legal
action.
If
city
council
moved
forward
to
the
petition.
Ultimately,
the
petition
landed
on
the
city
council's
agenda
in
early
2022.
B
Second,
the
subject
site
should
not
be
treated
as
an
interstate
site
of
our
originally
designated
historic
district.
Only
nine
blocks
remain
of
those
nine
blocks.
Three
border,
the
interstate,
the
subject
property
should
be
approached
as
an
intro
part
of
the
fabric
of
our
neighborhood,
especially
due
to
our
small
size.
Our
neighborhood
has
the
unfortunate
luck
of
being
bordered
by
Interstate
65
by
no
choice
of
Our
Own.
Our
Western
blocks
were
once
lost
to
the
construction
of
the
interstate
and
the
current
proposal.
Further
sacrifices
the
neighborhood
boundary
to
the
interstate
Additionally,
the
proposed
development
destroys.
B
Third,
this
development
will
severely
degrade
the
quality
of
our
district
The
Cottage
Hill
Neighborhood
has
Rich
precedence
for
the
correct
Street
scale
and
adjacent
buildings,
the
orientation
of
structures
and
the
setback
of
each
line.
The
current
proposal
not
only
ignores
the
Precedence
in
the
neighborhood,
but
also
removes
the
existing
Street
Frontage
that
serves
a
strong
Edge
to
our
neighborhood
Additionally.
The
proposed
earthwork
eliminates
the
possibility
of
future
development
on
the
subject
block
converting
almost
one
third
of
the
site
to
a
sloped
Bank.
B
Finally,
the
subject
property
serves
as
one
of
the
most
visible
sites
within
the
city,
all
traffic
exiting
65.
via
exit
122
passes.
By
do
we
want
residents
and
tourists
alike
to
experience
a
standard,
Interstate
experience
synonymous
with
Suburban
America,
or
do
we
want
to
create
a
true
gateway
to
our
city
with
architecture
that
is
representative
of
what
Montgomery
was
is
and
is
becoming
if
the
precedent
is
set,
that
exit
172
is
equal
to
Exit
3
or
exit
6
or
exit
9
What
Becomes
of
the
Heron
Street
Corridor
and
Cottage
Hill?
B
B
Neighbors
and
I
are
not
against
development
in
and
around
the
already
much
truncated,
historic
neighborhood
of
Cottage
Hill,
including
new
development
or
development
that
attracts
tax
revenue,
nor
is
our
opposition
driven
solely
by
property,
value
considerations,
crime,
pollution,
noise,
safety,
traffic,
irreversible,
irreversible
land,
destruction
and
ground
pollution
are
also
some
of
our
concerns.
Mostly,
however,
I
believe
that
we
would
also
like
for
development
to
be
strengthening
of
and
building
onto
the
overall
character
of
what
little
is
left
of
this
verdant
and
beautiful,
beautiful,
peaceful
walkable
and
yet
living
and
breathing
gym
of
a
neighborhood
downtown.
B
We
have
scars
throughout
and
around
our
neighborhood
due
to
short-sighted
decisions
made
by
individuals
who
are
not
truly
invested
in
our
neighborhood.
Our
neighborhood
sits
in
the
crosshairs
of
major
Redevelopment
occurring
downtown
at
the
hilltop
arms
building
and
at
the
Whitewater
Park.
The
Redevelopment
of
this
subject.
Property
sets
the
Precedence
once
again,
not
only
for
the
Heron
Street
Corridor
and
Cottage
Hill,
but
also
for
the
edges
of
all
of
our
historic
districts.
N
See
I've
got
company,
so
I'll
speak
quickly.
My
name
is
Nicholas
Bartel
I'm
over
on
Martha
Street
I
live
in
the
neighborhood,
just
solely
speaking
to
the
demolition
I
I'm
sympathetic
to
what
the
gentleman
from
Mapco
said
and
what
the
property
owner
is
looking
at.
This
is
a
site
that
covers
the
building
covers
the
entire
lot.
Basically
I
understand
the
parking
challenges.
I
do
think
as
they
talk
about
parking
and
the
only
possibility
for
parking
is
street
parking.
N
N
With
respect
to
all
of
that,
aside,
I
before
I
moved
down
here,
I
lived
in
Detroit
and
I
lived
just
north
of
downtown
Detroit
in
a
historic
area,
and
they
spent
most
of
the
time.
I
lived
there
in
the
process
of
Redevelopment
of
a
historic
site
across
the
street
from
me,
which
was
supposed
to
be
a
one
or
two
year
project
where
they
put
out
a
mixed-use,
condo
and
apartment
and
Retail
facility.
N
We
don't
have
any
idea
what's
in
the
hill
when
they
start
digging
into
it,
with
the
excavation
they're
talking
about
and
you
potentially
open
a
can
of
worms.
I
ended
up
living
across
the
street
from
a
Superfund
Site
that
stalled
out
for
about
four
years.
Well,
they
had
to
go
down
four
or
five
feet
behind
below
the
top
soil
to
get
all
of
the
contaminated
ground
out.
There's
presidential
property
there
we
don't
know
what
all
happened
at
the
stern
Furniture
site.
There's
potentially
fuel
oil
bunkers,
there's
potential
coal
bunkers.
N
We
don't
know
what
sort
of
environmental
remediation
we're
looking
at.
We
don't
know
what
kind
of
Native
American
sites
we're.
Looking
at
my
concern,
aside
from
the
gas
station
and
you'll
hear
from
me
again
when
we
talk
about
the
proposed
replacement,
is
as
much
as
I'm,
not
thrilled
with
the
prospect
of
a
gas
station
I'm,
really
not
thrilled
with
the
prospect
of
half
of
a
gas
station
for
four
years,
while
we
do
a
historic
assessment
or
an
archaeological
assessment
of
something
that
comes
up
when
they
start
to
excavate.
That
Hill
I
cannot
stress
enough.
N
How
opposed
I
am
and
I
think
everybody
I've
talked
to
in
the
neighborhood,
which
is
most
of
my
neighbors,
are
with
the
possibility
that
not
only
we
lose
the
hill,
but
the
possibility
that
there's
things
that
haven't
been
contemplated
or
expect
out
or
identified
in
that
site.
That
could
cause
massive
delays
and
massive
impact
to
this
project
or
cause
the
cost
overruns
to
make
it
simply
financially
not
feasible
and
I
appreciate
all
of
your
time
and
I'll
defer.
Whatever's
left
together.
Gentlemen,.
L
My
name
is
Charlie
Colvin
I'm
with
the
equivalent
and
wild
Association,
while
we're
not
directly
tied
into
this
neighborhood.
We
do
want
to
express
our
support
for
their
position
literally
across
the
board.
We
think
they're
concern
for
the
neighborhood
and
concerned
for
the
transition
from
the
interstate
into
their
neighborhood
is
valid.
We
just
want
to
let
you
know
we
support
them
wholeheartedly.
D
D
Part
of
the
meeting
I'm
Rob
Hesse,
president
of
old
Cloverdale,
Association
and
I'm,
also
on
the
historic
preservation
commission
for
the
city
old
Cloverdale
Association
supports
Cottage
Hill
in
stopping
the
Mapco
station,
is
designed
personally
I.
Think
they're
missing
a
great
opportunity
here,
put
in
a
design
gas
station
that
could
fit
with
the
neighborhood
and
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
and
our
edges
are
very
important.
Once
we
start
eroding
the
edges
of
our
historic
districts,
where
does
it
stop.
E
D
C
D
I'm
Suzanne
black
I
live
at
644
Martha
Street.
We
bought
our
house
in
1980.,
we've
been
there
for
well,
we
came
as
the
young
people
and
now
I'm
the
old
person,
so
we
have
abided
by
the
rules
and
regulations
set
forward.
I,
don't
understand
that
somebody
would
pick
a
historic
district
to
put
a
gas
station.
D
C
I
would
just
add
that,
as
we
discussed
at
the
previous
meeting
and
Mr
Weber
reiterated,
the
only
real
issue
here
on
demolition
is
the
old
Stern
Brothers
building
at
204
North
Holt
Street,
because
the
other
one
has
been
flagged
for
demolition
by
code
enforcement
and
once
code
enforcement
says
dangerous.
That
takes
us
out
of
the
picture
because
life
safety
trumps
that
so
the
only
building
under
consideration
for
y'all
is
the
the
stern
Brothers
building
on
holster
that
fronts.
Hull
Street,
okay,.
C
F
I
I
would
like
to
say
something:
I
think
that
that's
not
quite
correct,
because
what
we're
talking
about
also
taking
down
is
the
Cottage
Hill
of
which
Cottage
Hills
is
named.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
site
feature
that
they
plan
to
raise,
and,
and
that
is
something
that
is
also
on
the
table
for
Demolition,
and
while
it's
not
a
structure,
it
is
a
piece
of
the
property
in
the
neighborhood
that
must
be
taken
into
consideration.
When
you
talk
about
Demolition
and.
C
E
Well,
if,
if
if
they
go
beyond,
what's
approved
somebody's
going
to
get
hit
with
fines,
maybe
even
charges
so
the
city
can
come
in
and
I.
Think
and
I
know.
One
look
I
understand
once
a
hill
is
gone,
it's
like
trees
once
it's
gone,
it's
gone
and
no
amount
of
complaining
or
wailing
is
going
to
bring
it
back.
I.
C
A
E
H
E
A
E
A
P
So
so,
for
me,
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
demolition,
I
I
do
think.
As
Miss
Anderson
said,
it's
it's
whether
is
being
replaced
with
something
that's
in
in
kind
for
the
neighborhood
and
and
that's
that's
my
challenge
in
charge.
You
know
cities
undertaking
a
block
by
block
plan
right
now
and
redeveloping
Downtown,
Montgomery
and
and
so
where
the
the
bigger
concern
is.
H
My
opinion
at
this
point
is
sincerely
haven't
accumulation
of
the
actual
structure.
The
real
concern
that
I
have
is
the
demolition
of
the
area
in
which
the
structures
reside.
Okay,
there
has
not
been
a
plan
presented
of
formalized
plan
presented
that
that
shows
the
amount
of
excavation
and
the
amount
of
site
work.
That's
going
to
be
taken
into
place
as
they
demo
the
building.
Okay,
as
you
demo
it
something
has
to
come
into
place.
Okay,
your
grading
is
going
to
change
something's
going
to
happen.
That
plan
has
not
been
presented.
E
Well,
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
say
right
now:
if
I,
if
I
were
to
move
or
make
a
motion
for
demolition,
it
would
be
contingent
on
a
suitable
replacement
and
site
plan.
Now,
I'm,
not
saying
that
what's
being
proposed
tonight,
is
a
suitable
plan.
I'm
just
saying
you
can't
have
you
can't
have
one
without
the
other,
because
I'm
looking
at
this
also
back
in
5K,
and
there
are
a
number
of
trees,
I,
don't
know
if
Mr
Springer's
stringers
looked
at
it,
but
I
I
cannot
imagine
these
trees
would
not
be
seriously
affected
or
killed.
D
A
M
Want
to
add
to
what
you
said
and
Encompass
it
with
what
the
gentleman
from
the
audience
said
when
we,
we
know,
because
of
other
structures
around
Montgomery
that
have
been
erected
over
the
years,
that
there
are
Superfund
sites
near
here,
like
you
know,
like
they're
everywhere,
because
we
don't
know
what
is
in
the
ground,
we
don't.
How
do
we
address
ensuring
that
we
aren't
opening
a
can
of
worms
that
we
aren't
going
into
something
that
is
more
historical
than
we
actually
know
how?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
approach
that?
M
Because
this
is
not
it's
just
not
typical
I
mean,
and
it's
so
sad,
because
if
you
just
jumped
across
65,
it's
a
totally
different
situation.
However,
this
particular
block
this
particular
heel
is
different
and
while
I
you
know,
we've
been
here,
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
and
things
have
changed.
I
still,
don't
think
the
I
don't
think
that
Mapco
has
taken
the
full
responsibility
of
really
and
truly
making
this
project
Community
friendly.
E
And
I
understand
that
I
I
know
it's
difficult:
I've
had
I've
reviewed
materials
many
times
to
kind
of
keep.
Keep
these
separate
demolition
is
one
issue
and
the
other
issue
is
new
construction,
I
guess
again
my
leaning
toward
okay,
you
can
approve,
approve
the
demolition
subject
to
a
suitable
site
plan
within
suitable
site
plan.
We're
the
only
plan
in
place.
Right
now
is
the
one
that
Mr
Weber
is
going
to
present
to
us.
E
You
know
and
depending
on
how
we
rule,
if
we
rule
for
it,
then
okay
they
go
forward.
If
we
roll
against
it.
These
buildings
are
going
to
stay
well,
the
house
will
be
taken
down
I
guess
at
some
point
by
the
city,
because
it's
condemned,
and
then
that
would
be.
You
know
if
that
were
to
happen.
If
it
were
to,
you
know,
request
by
Mapco
denied,
then
it
would
be
out
to
the
landowner
to
come
back
later
with.
E
You
know,
I
want
to
demo
this
because
there's
someone
else
that
wants
to
buy
it
and
here's
their
site
plan.
Please
you
know
we
do
this
process
all
over
again,
but
in
in
looking
at
it
there's
another
photograph
of
R.
It
looks
like
that
the
building
itself
and
understand
that
there's
a
retaining
wall,
that's
about
to
fall
apart,
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know
about
demolition.
I
probably
am
talking
out
of
school
someone
that
was
very
careful
and
knew
what
they
were
doing
and
took
their
time
doing.
E
It
could
take
the
building
down
without
disturbing
the
pad
on
top
because
I'm
not
talking
about
you
know
they
could
take
the
building
down
without
disturbing
the
hill
again
it
would
probably
be
a
long,
tedious
process
and
again
once
you
get
into
what's,
underneath
that
building
that
you
know
was
active
for
decades.
Who
knows.
A
I
want
to
make
two
points
here:
I'm,
not
an
archaeologist,
but
I
did
sit
next
to
one
for
25
years.
So
I
learned
something
by
by
osmosis
I
would
be
surprised
if
we
found
any
intact
Native
American
sites
on
this
hill.
There
were
a
lot
of
great
sites
in
Montgomery,
most
of
them
obliterated
by
the
the
parking
lots
that
are
in
front
of
Union
Station
and
such,
but
the
Indians
tended
to
do
things
down
in
the
flood
plain
and
then
move
to
Higher
Ground
when
it
was
flood
season.
A
So
this
would
be
a
place
that
they
would
have
gone.
However,
we
built
a
school
here
we
built
sites
here.
There's
the
school
was
a
substantial
building,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
ground
disturbance.
I
would
suspect
that
most
of
what
we
would
find
would
be
19th
century
foundations
and
the
remains
of
buildings.
The
the
houses
that
were
built
are
usually
on
Piers
that
doesn't
leave
a
whole
lot,
but
I
think
that
we'd
probably
find
a
lot
pertaining
to
the
school,
since
it
was
such
a
substantial
building
and
now
I've
completely
forgot.
E
A
Yes,
so
I've
said
that
and
and
I'm
sure,
the
other
comment
will
come
to
me
eventually
I,
don't
maybe
this
is
what
it
was
I,
don't
completely
disagree.
I,
don't
completely
agree
with
les
Cole
about
the
fact
that
this
building,
complex
historic,
Integrity
I
think
it
was
listed
as
a
contributing
structure
in
the
National
register.
Nomination.
I
think.
If
somebody
came
to
me
tomorrow
and
said,
I
want
to
rehab
this
building.
A
Yes,
it's
historic
and
we
probably
need
to
do
a
minimal
recording
on
that,
so
that
we'll
have
a
record
of
the
building,
but
I
don't
see
it
as
a
building
that
could
be
rehabilitated
in
a
a
financially
profitable
way
and,
of
course
that's
how
we
live
here.
You
you
got
a
building,
it's
got
to
have
a
use
and
you've
got
to
be
able
to
afford
it.
I,
don't
think
anybody
could
afford
to
rehab
this
building
and
have
a
use
and
I'm
so
glad
I
remembered
that.
E
Well
and
I
think
one
of
the
grounds
that
we
could
use
that
that
a
building
can
be
done
can
be
demolitioned
if
it's
I
think
the
rule
is
saying
based
on
considerations
of
reasonable
Justice
and
equity.
In
other
words,
it
may
be
historic
building,
but
it
would
cost
more
to
restore
it
than
to
just
build
it.
Yes,
I
mean
we
all
would
like.
A
M
It's
but
still
when
you
go
past
that
dirt
part
I
mean
I
get
the
dirt
because
I'm
looking
at
all
the
dirt.
That's
right
here,
yeah,
but
when
you
call
it
Centennial
Hill
and
it's
a
hill
I
mean
when,
where
is
the
line
of
demarcation
between
dirt
and
Hill,
because
if
it
just
can
be
done,
then,
what's
the
purpose
in
us
being
a
board
that
protects
the
historic
value
of
Hills
dirt
and
everything
else?
That's
old.
F
C
A
landscape
feature,
and
yes,
the
city
code,
explicitly
states
that
you
all
have
to
Grant
approval
for
any
excavation
or
grading
that
takes
place
within
the
historic
district.
So
it
does
address
that
that
excavation
and
Grading
is
part
of
is
an
activity
that
requires
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
P
The
suitable
replacement,
but
I
could
I
could
see
in
a
development
that
comes
in
this
area
that
that
some
soil
and
it
would
not
be-
it
would
be
acceptable
to
me
and
so
I
will
not
just
say,
hey
the
the
keeping
the
rise
as
it
exists.
Today
is
more
important
than
anything
else,
because
it,
it
will
still
be
a
healed
if
we
have
the
right
development
in
this
place,.
E
A
H
I
moved
to
approve
the
request
for
demolition
of
the
existing
structures,
conditioned
upon
their
approval
of
a
suitable
replacement
plan
for
this
location.
Final
demolition
approvals
shall
not
be
granted
in
a
demolition
permit
shall
not
be
issued
until
a
replacement
plan
for
the
property
is
approved
and
until
photographs
have
been
submitted.
That
document,
the
existing
conditions
of
the
site
and
the
buildings
on
the
site
to
the
library
Congress
into
other
locations
noted
within
the
city
of
Montgomery.
A
M
C
Again,
I
think
part
of
the
next
piece
of
your
presentation
addresses
the
site
plan
issues
where
you
can
dig
into
the
excavation
whether
or
not
that's
appropriate.
Should
it
be
torn
down
should
be
built
up.
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
but
that's
I
think
you
can.
He
will
tell
you
what
those
plans
are
and
I
think
there's
a
in
the
packet
there's
a
cutaway
view:
I,
don't
know
if
it's
in
your
slideshow,
but
you
did
submit
that
kind
of
cut
view
of
the
hillside,
that's
in
their
packet,
so.
J
While
they're
bringing
up
the
presentation,
there
were
a
couple
elements
I'd
like
to
to
clarify.
First
from
the
previous
presentation
that
we
had
back
in
December
of
2021,
it
was
stated
that
we
were
going
to
purchase
this
property.
This
is
actually
going
to
be
a
lease
property,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
clarification
was
clear
for
everyone
that
was
at
that
hearing.
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to.
J
Again,
Mr
Webb:
this
will
be
a
lease
property.
It
will
not
be
a
fee
property.
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to
clarify,
is
you
know.
We
we've
been
working
this
process
with
the
ARB
since
July
of
2021,
so
you
know,
we've
been
trying.
You
know
that
includes
meeting
with
with
the
council
I
think
some
of
the
members
up
here
we
met
with
in
July
of
2021
for
over
a
year
ago,
so
we've
been
trying,
we've
tried
to
be
actively
engaged.
J
We've
listened
to
many
comments
with
the
ARB
we've
tried
to
go
through
and
initiate
the
process
as
it's
been
described
to
us
they're.
You
know
there
was
a
time
where
we
put
a
you
know
where
we
asked
the
the
the
land
owner
to
you
know
do
what
they
felt
they
needed
to
do.
I
think
that
is
when
the
petition
to
pull
this
out
of
this
door.
J
J
It
is,
you
know,
like
I
said
it
is
a
unique
and
I
think
one
of
the
most
well-designed
convenience
stores
in
the
industry
right
now.
I
think
some
of
the
key
aspects
as
I
already
was
talking
about,
was
the
transparency,
the
the
ability
to
bring
in
natural
light,
other
key
elements
on
this.
These
stores
we
try
to
engage.
You
know
murals
within
the
store
that
kind
of
are
dedicated
to
the
community
that
were
within.
We
are
intending
and
working
with
vendors
to
try
to
provide
EV
Chargers.
J
There
is
an
enhanced
Landscaping,
as
you
can
see
from
the
image
we
you
know,
surround
the
store
with
Planters.
We
are
adding
Planters
underneath
the
canopy
are
light
fixtures
that
we
use
are
dark
sky
approved,
meaning
they
work
to
eliminate
any
light,
trespass
off
the
site,
and
then
we
have
also
recently
partnered
with
one
tree
planted
to
plant
one
acre
of
trees
for
every
acre
that
we
developed.
J
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
These
next
two
slides
are
just
showcasing.
What
the
store
looks
like
you
know,
I
think
you
will,
as
we
get
into
some
of
the
other
images.
You
will
see
some
of
those
exterior
elements
and
some
of
the
the
buildings
that
are
within
the
Cottage
Hill
Neighborhood.
This
is
the
inside
of
the
store.
J
J
The
use
you
know,
I
argues
We,
Are,
Who,
We
Are
can't
deny
that
you
know
we
have
a
fuel
canopy,
we
have
a
convenience
store,
we
have
parking
for
our
customers,
those
are
part
of
our
development
and
those
do
impact
how
we
lay
the
site
out
the
reason
that
we've
chosen
this
site
is,
you
know
it's
in
our
name.
We
are
a
convenience
store,
this
store
has
a
hundred
thousand
or
this
site
has
a
hundred
thousand
Vehicles
driving
by
it
every
single
day.
J
You
know
we
for
us
to
be
survivable,
that's
you
know,
those
are
our
customers
and
it
needs
to
be
convenient.
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
we've
chosen
this
site.
We've
also,
you
know
we
have
four
other
stores
in
this
in
Montgomery
we
see
Montgomery
growing.
We
would
like
to
grow
with
Montgomery
and
we
think
this
is
a
great
site
to
kind
of
showcase
that
growth,
I
I,
you
know,
I
will
go
back.
J
J
Next,
sorry
again,
these
are
just
showcasing
that
that
you
know
the
perimeter
of
you
know
the
lack
of
grocery
or
prepared
food.
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
again,
this
is
the
nearby
restaurants.
You
see,
there's
only
a
few
that
are
within
that
half
mile
radius
going
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
our
site
plan
imposed
over
the
aerial
of
the
of
the
site
and
the
overall
community.
J
So
you
know
again
showing
that
we
are
right.
On
top
of
the
expressway,
we
are
kind
of
a
convergence
point
of
the
on
and
off
ramp.
So
they're,
you
know
again
there's
a
huge
amount
of
traffic
that
is
passing
by
the
site.
If
you
go
to
the
next
one,
please
this
is
the
current
site
layout
with
the
landscape
plan.
You
know
I'm
not
going
to
beat
around
the
bush.
You
will
see
that
there
is.
There
is
a
heavy
amount
of
excavation
I
mean
part
of
part
of
our
site
development.
J
In
order
for
our
site
that
function
properly,
I
will
say
that
you
know
what
we've
done
is
tried
to.
The
number
of
questions
have
been
brought
up
as
to
why
we
lay
the
site
out
this
way.
You
know
why
the
canopy
is
where
it
is
why
the
building
is
where
it
is.
I
will
say
that
the
canopy
has
been
brought
it's
close
to
the
interstate
as
possible,
because
we
feel
that
in
most
cases,
people
perceive
that
to
be
the
most
offensive
part
of
our
development.
J
We
wanted
that
to
be
as
close
to
the
interstate,
because
you
know
it's
being
directly
underneath
those
100
foot
high
lights,
that
are,
you
know,
Illuminating
I-65,
that
this
canopy
will
essentially
be
absorbed.
By
all
that
light,
all
the
noise
is
driving
by
on
I-65
will
override
any
of
the
noise.
That
may
be
any
of
the
noise
concerns
that
would
be
coming
from
the
canopy,
and
so
we've
moved
it
close
to
as
close
to
I-65,
as
we
can
also
in
trying
to
be
as
considerate
to
the
topography
as
possible.
J
We
moved
the
building
as
close
to
Heron
as
we
could
to
create
a
more
pedestrian
friendly
presence
and,
to
you
know
kind
of
you
know,
you
know
kind
of
create
a
better
Street
facade
for
the
building
against
Heron
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
lower
left
corner,
we
have
done
an
enhanced
kind
of
buffering
to
obscure
any
sight
lines
from
a
few
of
the
residents
on
Martha.
That
would
have
possible
visibility
of
the
canopy
you've.
J
Okay,
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
again.
I
think
these
are
showing
some
buildings
that
are
within
the
Cottage
Hill
area.
I
think
you
know
they're
agreement
as
to
you
know
whether
they
should
be
or
how
their
impact
was
or
whether
they
drove
the
historic
district.
But
this
is
to
say
these
are
commercial
industrial
uses.
Our
building
I
think
is
in
line
with
that,
and
so
I
think
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
are
out
of
place
and
the
design
exterior
design
of
our
building
I
figured
next
slide.
J
This
is
a
3D
view
of
the
building.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide
front
and
rear
elevation
next
slide,
please
this
is
kind
of
showing
our
our
as
I
said.
We've
been
working
on
this
site
since
2020,
working
with
the
ARB
since
July
of
21.,
this
kind
of
shows
our
Evolution
our
this
is
the
Heron
front.
You
know,
2020,
is
what
we
normally
would
have
as
we
worked
with.
J
Arb
we
came
up
with
was
on
the
lower
right
and
then
on
the
upper
left,
it's
kind
of
where
we're
at
now
trying
to
kind
of
follow.
Arb's
requests
for
more
of
a
street
Frontage
on
hand
next
slide,
please.
This
is
the
fuel
canopy
with
our
typical
sign
next
line,
please
this
is
a
bird's
eye
view
of
the
development
slide
please.
J
This
is
a
before,
and
after
from
Holt
and
heron
next
slide,
this
is
kind
of
showing
what
the
perspective
would
be
from
South
Holt
as
you're
looking
at
the
property
to
kind
of
show
that
distance
between
some
of
the
residential
on
Martha
next
street
side.
Please
the
night
view
again
the
pictures
to
the
right
indicate
that
light
pollution
coming
off
I-65
and
how
our
store
will
be
absorbed
by
much
of
it.
Next
slide,
please.
This
is
kind
of
just
the
design
Evolution
from
the
initial
Concept
in
2020
to
where
we
are
today.
J
As
you
can
see,
we've
pulled
the
building
further
to
the
South,
reduce
the
number
of
pumps
anchored
our
canopy
as
far
as
we
could
from
the
residential
components
and
as
close
to
the
interstate
as
possible
long
list
of
items
that
we've
done,
but
in
respect
for
time,
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
then
these
are
kind
of
the
you
know
the
benefits
that
we're
trying
to
bring
to
the
site.
You
know
we
believe
ourselves
to
be
the
best
in
highest
use.
J
That
is
not
the
preferred
use,
but
for
this
location
you
know
the
best
and
highest
use.
You
know
we
we,
you
know.
Our
proposal
here
is
to
remove
a
building
that
is
in
deterioration
and
can
attract
criminal
activity.
We
will
be
investing
seven
to
eight
million
dollars
in
this.
That
is
seven
eight
million
dollars
that
probably
will
go
to
local
contractors.
That
is
seven
to
eight
million
dollars.
That
shows
our
commitment
to
this
location
and
the
community.
J
You
know
we
will
work
with
the
city
to
try
to
create
a
crosswalk
along
here
and
I
know
that
was
brought
up
in
one
of
the
meetings
and
again
bringing
in
that.
We
are
able
to
provide
on-site
parking,
and
that
does
come
with
the
excavation
that
I
previously
mentioned
and
again
we
are
offering
to
provide
EV
Chargers
here
to
kind
of
you
know
for
those
living
in
the
neighborhood
and
those
who
try
to
you
know
are
traveling
on
the
interstate
that
need
a
recharge
and
then
I
think.
A
I
have
to
say
that
I
really
appreciate
the
location
of
the
building,
the
addition
of
glass,
so
is
it
Heron
Street,
so
that
it
really
appears
to
be
a
storefront
you've
got
a
place
to
sit
outside.
It
really
has
a
relationship
with
for
a
building
to
street
that
that
that
I
thought
you
did
what
we
asked
you
to
do,
and
you
did
it
successfully.
So
thank
you
for
that.
H
H
Okay,
so
one
of
my
concerns
is
that
Cottage,
Hill
district
okay,
is
a
specific
historic
district.
So
therefore,
in
my
opinion,
a
building
that
sits
on
the
site
needs
to
blend
into
the
district
in
which
it
sits.
Therefore,
when
I
hear
the
word,
prototype
and
I
also
will
state
when
you
say
prototype,
and
then
this
building
has
been
built
on
numerous
sites
to
me,
that
is
not
lending
it
to
the
nature
of
the
site
in
which
you
are
placing
it.
H
H
So
there
is
ways
that
you
can
do
that,
but
it
is
not
necessarily
morphed
and
has
been
retrofitted
to
be
able
to
look
like
it
Blends
into
the
historic
character
of
this
Psych.
Okay
in
this
district,
and
so
that's
my
biggest
concern
in
this
proposal.
Okay,
I
appreciate
again,
like
the
chairman,
said
the
difference
and
what
you've
moved
and
where
you
move
things.
H
The
fact
that
there
does
appear
to
be
less
concrete
on
the
site,
the
fact
that
the
gas
areas
has
gotten
smaller
those
moves,
I
think
are
a
pre
they're
appreciated.
Yes,
the
time
I
feel.
If
you
look
at
the
building
itself.
This
is
a
very
important
location.
Okay
to
the
area
into
Montgomery
and
placing
this
building
here
and
not
blending
it
in
to
the
character
of
the
other
buildings
that
are
around.
It
does
not
benefit
the
historic
district.
A
I
I
would
I
would
be
a
whole
lot
happier
if
it
looked
like
a
great
big
old
Sinclair
station.
It
was
stucco
and
you
know
we
had
the
curves
and
it
looked
historic,
but
I
also
think
that
if
you
look
at
the
other
parts,
the
more
newly
developed
parts
of
the
historic
district,
for
example,
that
that
corner
building
with
the
colored
panels
that
Nicole
Moline
used
to
be
in
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
variety
from
the
mid-century
that
were
that
were
modern
architecture
at
the
time
this
doesn't
in
that
respect.
A
This
doesn't
it
doesn't
differ
from
from.
What's
happened
in
that
area
of
the
neighborhood
in
in
our
in
alcohol,
in
keeping
up
with
the
times,
you
know
we
have
modern
buildings.
We
have
plenty
of
modern
buildings
in
that
part
of
the
neighborhood.
If
it
were
any
closer
to
our
small
scale,
development
I
would
I
would
I
wouldn't
make
that
argument
at
all.
A
I,
don't
think
that
anything,
that's
in
that
20th
century
developed
part
of
the
district
where
houses
Cottages
were
obviously
torn
down
to
do
it
I,
don't
think
any
of
that
blends
in
and
looks
historic,
particularly
it
it.
If
you
I,
remember
back
to
you
the
previous
presentation,
where
the
representative
from
your
company
showed
picture
after
a
picture
that
were
just
cringe-worthy
because
and
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
another
building,
that's
going
to
have
a
useful
life
of
20
years.
J
J
I
also,
thank
you
know,
for
us,
transparency
is
important.
That's
why
we
that's
why
we
try
to
implement
so
much
glass
in
these
stores
and
the
you
know
trying
to
to
bring
in
more
of
that
residential
architectural
feel,
you
know,
does
not
quite
work
with
the
ability
to
maximize
on
the
glazing
that
we
think
is
very
important
to
the
customer
experience
as
we
one
of
the
reasons
we
leaned
more
towards
you
know.
You
know,
trying
to
you
know,
stay
with
that.
A
The
thing
that
actually
bothers
me,
the
most
about
this
is
I,
don't
think
the
use
is
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
I.
It
brings
a
lot
of
a
large
number
of
cars.
It's
not
a
neighborhood
gas
station
where
we're
all
going
to
get
our
oil
changed
in
our
by
our
tires.
It
is
a
place
where
Travelers
stop
to
get
gasoline
and
it
brings
in
that
respect
brings
a
lot
of
strangers
into
our
neighborhood
that
that
I
find
dangerous.
E
E
Are
to
make
money
make
profits
and
there
is
nothing
wrong
with
that.
Obviously,
math
code
is
doing
pretty
good,
or
else
you
know
you
think
this
is
the
best
site
or
a
good
site
else.
You
wouldn't
want
to
put
it
here
and
I
think.
The
primary
reason
you
want
to
put
it
here
is
because
and
nothing
wrong
with
it.
It's
on
the
interstate,
like
you
said,
you
got
a
hundred
thousand
cars
Northbound
southbound
every
day.
Well,.
A
E
You
know
we
all
wish
it
were
a
Cloverdale
service
station
or
sinclairs,
but
we
know
you
can't
do
that.
That's
not
your
business
model,
there's!
No!
You
can't
change
what
you
do
for
one
store
that
they
can't,
because
if
it
were
something
like
that
it
wouldn't
you
know
it
wouldn't
be
profitable,
because
I
think
pugs
on
that
interstate,
probably
wouldn't
stop,
but
again.
J
I
mean
I
think
our
hope
is
to
be
able
to
serve
both
community
and
the
traveler
I
mean
I.
Can't
you
know
we
do
want
we're
expecting
both,
but
we
want
to
be
an
active
member
in
the
community
we
try
to
in
all
of
our
stores.
We,
you
know
we
try
to
be
involved
in
the
local
community.
This
isn't
you
know.
Obviously,
profit
is
important,
but
it's
not
for
us.
J
The
only
thing
you
know
as
far
as
the
safety
we
are,
you
know
we
are
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
the
property
and
in
order
for
it
to
be
successful,
it
needs
to
feel
safe.
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
do
offer
free
coffee
to
First
Responders.
It
is
a
you
know.
It
is
an
incentive
for
police
officers
to
stop
into
the
store
on
a
regular
basis,
to
kind
of
show
that
there
is
a
presence
to
deter
from
any
of
those
elements
that
I
think
are
I,
think
stereotypically
applied
to
our
use.
J
A
E
M
M
Had
had
when
you
rode
through
and
you
went
down
the
streets,
did
you
feel
the
difference
that
the
neighborhood
has
as
far
as
how
you
know
the
trees,
how
they
Arch
across
the
streets?
And
you
know
just
it's
just
the
Ambiance,
it's
it's
all
that
that
it
is
like
it.
You
know
I
and
I.
Don't
there
are
so
many
words
that
I
could
probably
use.
J
I
understand
I,
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying
I
think
I
think
in
the
initial
you
know,
when
we
initially
looked
at
this
site
that
never
dawned
on
us,
because
that
Ambiance
that
you
find
on
Martha
that
Ambiance
that
you
find
on
on
clay
or
Clayton.
You
know
that
is
not
at
all
what
you
feel
about
this
property.
This
property
feels
it
feels
deserted.
It
feels
you
know
it
is.
On
top
of
the
interstate
I
can't
you're
right,
I
move
a
block
to
the
South.
It
is
a
completely
different
area
right.
M
J
M
I
I
differ
with
you
just
just
a
bit
only
because-
and
it's
really
not
I'm,
not
speaking
about
the
building
itself,
but
I
do
I
feel
like
Greenery
is
very
underrated
sometimes,
and
while
you
all
have
done
a
great
job
with
with
you
know,
plant
the
plants
mature
plants
are
what
tend
to
lend
itself
to
the
Ambiance.
Because
that's
what
gives
you
shade
in
the
heat
you
know
like
the
little
bushes
are
cute,
but
you
know
the
like
trees
and,
and
you
know,
different
colors
in
the
fall.
M
J
A
I
do
remember
going
to
work
up
Perry
Street
one
day
and
Milton
McGregor
was
working
on
his
house
and
you
know
it
just
looked
like
it
always
did
and
then
I
came
back
and
I
went
back
up
the
street
at
lunch
and
there
were
20-foot
crate
Burtons
planted
in
front.
You
could
do
that
I'm
sure
that
didn't
cost
very
much.
Yes,.
M
E
M
J
A
L
Calvin
from
the
Cloverdale
Idlewild
Association
not
directly
tied
to
the
Cottage
Hill
in
section,
but
we
are
very
familiar
with
trying
to
protect
our
perimeter
and
that's
something
that
we
are
sensitive
to.
We
want
to
be
sensitive
to
mapco's,
Brand
they've
got
one
that
they
want,
and
this
building
appears
to
be
a
front
line
of
their
new
brand
and
the
way
it's
going
to
look,
but
it's
totally
inappropriate
for
that
site
in
that
neighborhood.
L
Other
corporations,
McDonald's
Waffle,
House
and
others
have
modified
their
brands.
You
don't
see
golden
arches
all
over
the
place
anymore.
You
see
modified
to
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
places
where
they
are
I
really
think.
Mapco
could
do
a
better
job
of
providing
a
building
a
site's
plan
that
is
more
in
keeping
with
the
transition
into
the
neighborhood
at
Cottage
Hill
and
they
say
they'd
be
honored
to
be
a
part
of
the
community.
We'd
be
honored
to
have
them
look
like
they
belong
to
the
community.
Thank
you,
foreign.
K
K
K
Think
a
lovely
site
could
be
developed
here
and
I
strongly
urge
you
to
make
a
decision
that
gives
more
time
for
some
consideration
for
other
possibilities
and
not
to
pass
this
through
as
just
yet
another
gas
station
which
we
all
know
in
our
hearts
is
what's
going
to
happen.
If
you
approve
this
building
foreign.
B
Johnson
Cottage
Hill,
Foundation
I
will
not
reread
what
I
just
wrote
a
little
while
ago,
but
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
reiterate,
and
once
again
this
is
one
of
nine
of
our
remaining
blocks.
We
were
small
neighborhood
we're
a
vibrant
neighborhood.
The
nine
blocks
that
are
remaining
are
vibrant
and
we
don't
want
to
lose
any
more
real
estate
to
the
interstate.
B
Cottage
Hill
is
an
excellent
example
of
scale
orientation
and
setback.
It
might
be
one
of
the
greatest
examples
in
the
city
of
Montgomery
when
it
turned
when
it
comes
to
our
our
buildings,
our
homes.
This
does
not
fit
anything
that
you
cannot,
in
my
opinion,
fit
the
scale,
orientation
or
setback
that
is
present
within
the
neighborhood.
Ultimately,
this
may
do
a
this.
May
try
and
mimic
some
of
the
commercial
buildings
that
were
developed
later
in
the
neighborhood
But.
Ultimately,
the
setback's
still
wrong.
The
the
amount
of
sight
that's
developed
is
still
wrong.
B
Ultimately,
we
have
an
existing
Street
Frontage
that
is
strong
and
we're
losing
an
entire
Street
Frontage
and
we're.
Basically,
in
this
proposal,
the
the
Reconstruction
is
a
just
a
mere
portion
of
what
exists
currently,
ultimately,
Matco
has
a
brand
Cottage.
Hill
has
a
brand.
Are
those
two
things
compatible?
We
have
businesses
in
our
district,
Hilltop
Public,
House,
being
one
funky
Forte
being
another.
They
follow
the
process
they
came
in,
they
embraced
the
brand
of
Cottage
Hill
and
in
turn
the
neighborhood
has
embraced
them.
They
have
been
had
our
support.
B
The
entire
time
and
they've
been
successful.
I
think
because
of
the
way
they
approach
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighborhood,
then
in
turn
supported
them
and
then
one
final
comment,
Cedric
I
believe
you
mentioned
earlier.
The
city
has
a
block
by
Block
downtown
action
plan.
It
was
released
what
a
week
ago,
two
weeks
ago,
very
recently,
and
this
site
is
set
aside
for
infill
residential
development.
B
Why
are
we
spending
money
time
and
time
again
on
downtown
action
plans
and
block
by
block
development
plans,
if
we're
just
going
to
ignore
them
for
the
next
development
or
developer,
with
a
lot
of
money
that
comes
in,
we
have
a
plan
in
place
for
a
reason.
Let's
stick
to
the
plans
and
processes
that
have
been
established
and
paid
for
by
the
city
by
the
constituents
tax
dollars,
foreign.
D
Years
ago,
when
the
capital
M
was
discussed
and
was
eventually
demolished
without
anything
replacing
it,
it
still
looks
the
same
as
it
does
five
years
ago
and
I
walk
by
every
single
day
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
here.
If
you
haven't
seen
it
in
a
while,
you
should
go.
Take
a
look.
Thank
you.
N
Sorry
I'm
back
I
talked
too
much
I
know:
I'm
Nicholas,
Bartel
I'm,
still
on
Martha
Street,
one
of
the
risks
of
my
job
as
I.
Do
a
lot
of
research,
I
have
a
law,
degree
and
I
work
in
bureaucracy,
so
I
read
and
research
I
actually
pulled
the
designation
for
the
historic
district
today
to
get
ready
for
the
meeting,
and
the
designation
describes
Cottage
Hill
as
retaining
the
Ambiance
and
scale
of
a
middle-class
Victorian
community.
N
That's
not
a
bad
gas
station
and
that's
not
a
bad
convenience
store
up
there.
Nothing
about
that
retains
the
Ambiance
and
scale
of
a
middle-class
Victorian
community
and
with
respectful
disagreement
to
the
gentleman
from
Mapco.
He
discussed
the
buildings
that
he
believes
are
comparable
and
he
says
there's
disagreement
as
to
whether
or
not
they
were
included
in
the
historic
district.
They
are
included,
designated
and
specifically
discussed
in
the
designation
from
the
National
Park
Service,
specifically
they're
discussed
as
significant
intrusions
into
the
neighborhood.
N
My
predecessor
said
made
sense
to
me:
I,
don't
understand
why
we
would
want
to
turn
the
downtown
gateway
to
Historic
Montgomery
into
a
large
Modern
Gas
Station
cited
in
a
small
historic
district
built
around
a
Victorian
Ambience.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
I
respect
all
of
your
judgment
and
thank
you
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
the
gentleman
from
Mapco.
O
Hello,
I'm
Miriam,
born
and
I'm
from
the
old
Cloverdale
neighborhood
I'm
new
here,
but
one
of
the
reasons
I
moved
here
from
New
York
is
that
Montgomery
is
a
center
of
civil
rights.
It
has
Southern
Poverty
Law
Center,
it
has
Equal
justice
initiative,
and
this
is
an
entry
to
this
city
and
I
agree
with
the
woman
who
said
that
a
place
that
would
welcome
people
into
the
city
would
be
much
more
appropriate.
I.
Don't
think
this
building
is
appropriate
at
all,
but
it
could.
O
The
site
could
be
much
better
used
for
something
which
shows
the
character
and
the
whole
history
and
the
potential
of
Montgomery
and
I
really
think
it
should
have
something
of
an
historic
welcoming
nature
that
perhaps
also
touches
on
civil
rights.
That
would
be
a
use
for
it,
and
I
would
welcome
that
and
think
that
that
might
go
with
the
historic
nature
as
well.
Thank
you.
Q
Ideally,
and
then
we
have
this
creeping
threat
of
businesses
that
have
really
know
individuality
coming
in
and
taking
away
our
individuality,
one
of
the
things
I
enjoyed
most
about
the
presentation
we
saw
earlier.
They
showed
Five
Points
with
the
Hilltop
Pub
and
they
were
empty
storefronts
then,
but
they've
been
rehabilitated
and
they're.
Q
Q
D
Of
foresight
I
see
nothing
as
a
renewable
resource
as
far
as
solar
panels.
This
is
a
company
whose
model
is
dying.
The
internal
combustion
engine
is
dying.
Look
at
the
news.
This
will
be
absolutely
in
10,
maybe
15
years.
So
what
are
we
going
to
have?
Then?
A
vacant
building
with
lots
of
broken
glass.
A
F
F
Thank
you,
I,
like
to
say
also
I've
been
doing
a
little
Googling,
while
I'm
here
I
saw
that
Cottage
Hill
started
in
the
1830s.
It's
an
1830s,
that's
almost
200
years
old.
It's
on
the
Alabama
register
of
historic
places
in
1975.,
it's
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places.
In
1976.
I
mean
these
things
should
not
be
pushed
under
the
table.
I
think
these
are
very
important
things
both
that
all
the
neighborhoods
have
come
together
to
oppose
this.
This
situation,
it's
not
it's
not
a
bad
building,
but
it's
it's.
F
What
we're
saying
is
it's
a
bad
building,
for
this
spot
is
what
the
owners
are
saying.
Business
owners
I've
also
seen
come
here,
I've
seen
other.
You
did
not
show
them.
There's
several
business
owners,
including
the
state
that
has
buildings
here
that
are
in
keeping
with
the
cottage
Hills,
neighborhood
and
I'd,
rather
see
something
like
that.
Finally,
my
my
point,
I'd
like
to
say,
is
Jake
Johnson
made
it.
The
city
has
adopted
a
plan
for
this
it's
new
and
it
really
should
have
the
opportunity
to
be
explored
for
this
spot.
F
H
K
E
F
C
H
C
That's
a
very
good
question
to
be
determined
and
I.
Also
I
have
a
call
with
the
National,
Alliance
and
preservation
commissions
tomorrow,
to
set
up
board
training
for
some
time
in
late
spring
early
summer,
they've
been
kind
of
lacks
on
education
requirements.
Now
that
we're
certified
local
government
board,
members
will
have
to
have
some
sort
of
training.
Okay
and
we're
gonna
we're
hoping
to
do
four
courses,
maybe
split
over
two
days.
C
I
think
I've
got
two
topics
picked
out
that
are
HPC
worthy
two
that
are
more
ARB
relevant
and
then,
of
course,
as
they
do
webinars.
If
you
watch
any
of
those
webinars
or
have
to
take
any
courses
that
are,
you
know
for
your
own
accreditation
that
that
may
be
relevant
to
this,
then
we
would
track
that,
and
that
would
count
to
so.