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From YouTube: MONTGOMERY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD (6/28/22)
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ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
June 28, 2022
1. PRESENTED BY: Suzanne Black
SUBJECT: Request for approval of walkway, fence and gate for the property located at 511 Martha Street (Cottage Hill).
2. PRESENTED BY: Noah Cox
SUBJECT: Request for approval after the fact for a front yard parking area and additional gravel for the property located at 538 E. Fairview Avenue (Cloverdale Idlewild). VIOLATION
3. PRESENTED BY: Suzie Rhodes
SUBJECT: Request for approval of tree removal and replacement for the property located at 1031 Woodward Avenue (Cloverdale).
4. PRESENTED BY: Caitlin Cobb
SUBJECT: Request for approval of driveway widening and rear deck expansion for the property located at 3305 Audubon Road (Cloverdale Idlewild).
5. PRESENTED BY: Caroline Muhlenkamp
SUBJECT: Request for approval of fencing and tree removal for the property located at 1490 S. Perry Street (Garden District).
6. PRESENTED BY: Allison Kingry
SUBJECT: Request for approval after the fact of a parking pad for the property located at 1007 Woodward Avenue (Cloverdale). VIOLATION
7. PRESENTED BY: April Hampton
SUBJECT: Request for approval after the fact of a parking pad for the property located at 735 E. Fairview Avenue (Cloverdale). VIOLATION
The next Architectural Review Board meeting will be July 26, 2022 @ 5:30 p.m.
A
A
All
comments
should
be
about
the
project
to
be
presented.
This
is
not
a
venue
to
add
for
air
personal
grievances.
If
you
hear
the
gavel
you
are
out
of
order
and
if
you
persist,
you'll
be
removed
from
the
meeting
once
your
request
is
heard
and
the
board's
decision
is
rendered,
you
may
leave
the
meeting.
A
A
Any
such
appeal
will
be
filed
should
be
filed
within
the
circuit
court
within
30
days
of
the
receipt
of
the
notice
of
the
final
decision
of
the
board.
We
have
five
members
present
and
it
takes
five
to
pass
a
motion
because
of
the
number
of
board
members
present.
If
you
would
like
to
delay
your
request,
please
let
us
know
at
the
time
your
request
is
announced.
A
C
I'm
suzanne
black,
I'm
the
owner
of
511
martha
street
and
we
have
a
drainage
issue
coming
from
the
backyard
and
it
has
washed
out
where
we
have
sidewalk
coming
to
the
gate.
When
it
drops
off,
it's
got
to
be
a
good
foot
and
a
half
drop,
and
we
also
have
roots
that
have
got
to
be
taken
up.
The
steps
will
address
going,
hopefully
going
down
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
driveway
and
then
to
have
a
walkway.
C
C
C
D
Hi,
how
are
you
fine?
My
name
is
jacqueline
trump,
I'm
so
sorry,
my
name
is
jacqueline
trimble
and
my
daughter
owns
the
property
immediately
adjacent
it
is.
The
majority
of
the
driveway
is
belongs
to
that
driveway
and
the
problem
is
with
the
building
of
the
wall
that
would
that
miss
black
is
asking
for
so
that
would
render
the
driveway
unusable,
like
you
could
not
pull
a
car
in
there
and
open
the
door.
D
A
Well,
it's
really
not
I'm
sorry,
it's
really
not
our
job
at
the
architectural
review
board
to
settle
property
disputes.
I
don't
know
that
the
whether
it's
a
driveway
held
in
common
or
if
the
property
line
runs
through
the
middle
of
it,
but
our
job
is
to
say:
does
this
or
does
this
not?
Is
it
consistent
with
the
historic
character
of
the
building.
E
D
D
E
Hey
I'm
lauren
keane
with
sandra
nicole
hat
team
realtors,
and
I
was
jasmine,
trimble's
agent
and
she
could
not
be
here
tonight
and
sent
me
a
text
and
just
she
is
asking
that
this
vote
to
be
postponed
until
the
next
meeting
in
time.
For
her
to
get
a
survey,
we
had
both
contacted
some
surveyors
and
haven't
gotten
a
call
back
and
are
just
she
just
wanted
to
get
a
survey
of
the
property.
E
A
F
C
C
G
F
So
again
I
still
say:
if
it's
a
drainage
issue,
you
know:
how
exactly
is
it
going
to
be
remedied
when
you
start-
and
I
guess,
if
you
put
up
a
wall,
then
it
will
keep
it
on
your
side
to
a
degree.
But
I
was
just
wondering
you
know.
It
just
seems
to
be
an
one
issue
and
then
it
ropes
in
like
three
or
four
other
issues
and
that's
what
I'm
not
comfortable
with.
If.
G
G
But
the
reason
why
she
is
here
is
because
she
wanted
to
extend
the
fence
and
when
she-
and
I
first
talked
about
this
project-
that
was
not
the
understanding
I
had
in
my
head-
and
I
said
well,
if
you're
just
addressing
drainage,
then
I
think
we
can
handle
this
administratively,
but
then
with
the
fence,
extension
and
moving
a
gate
or
relocating
a
gate.
That's
when
it
threw
it
into
your
purview.
G
H
Basically,
we,
if
we're
looking
at
this,
not
considering
it's
a
drainage
issue
or
anything
else,
if
you
look
at
it
specifically
as
the
wrought
iron
fence
and
so
forth
as
the
way
that
it's
been
presented,
I
personally
don't
have
any
issues
with
it.
One
question
I
do
have,
though,
is
they
they
asked
or
requested
for
us
to
move
it
to
next
month
because
of
the
survey
to
ensure
that
I
guess
the
survey
of
the
property
to
make
sure
that
it's
built
on
the
property
on
her
property
and
not
the
other.
G
G
G
G
G
A
The
the
fence
that
you've
presented
with
the
the
circles-
it's
really
more
neoclassical
or
bozart's
than
victorian
the
you
provided
a
picture
of
another
fence
that
had
pickets,
but
the
picture
behind
it
looks
like
going
into
somebody's
garden
or
something
that's
really
more.
A
more
appropriate
design
for
your
location
than
the
the
one
with
the
circles
at
the
top
mike.
A
Mean
not
not
that
the
one
with
the
circles
isn't
my
favorite
offense,
but
we're
not
we're
not
approving
things
based
on
whether
or
not
I
like
them.
We're
supposed
to
be
doing
things
on
whether
or
not
they're
appropriate
and
the
one
with
the
with
the
points
is
more
appropriate.
Okay,
all
right
now
we
can
have
a
motion.
F
G
F
E
G
L
All
right
so
last
week
I
spoke
to
you
all,
but
my
dad
did
a
lot
of
this
everything
we
turned
in.
I
had
a
hand
in
it,
but
he
drew
out
muslim
things.
He
was
about
45
years
of
contract
experience,
both
bunch
of
houses
and
stuff.
I
thought
it'd
be
better
for
him
to
speak
to
you.
I
have
paper
copies
and
everything
just
so.
You
can
physically
see
the
drawings
and
everything
I
might
hand
it
out
to
y'all
and
I'm
going
to
let
it
open
they.
A
J
There
we
go
yes
all
right,
my
name
is
eddie
cox,
my
son
noah,
and
I
we
owned
a
cotson
suns
construction
company
and
we've
been
I've
been
doing
this
for
45
years.
I
was
fortunate
to
work
with
the
fire
department
until
I
retired
and
working
with
the
fire
department.
You
worked
two
days
or
you
worked
one
day,
a
24
hour
shift
and
then
you're
off
two
days.
J
J
J
J
Now,
if
you
would,
you
want
to
go
to
area
to
picture
two,
it's
a
kind
of
an
aerial
view
of
it
and
it
shows
the
whole
500
block
of
east
of
east
fairview,
and
I
wish
you
would
notice
that
every
house,
in
that
block,
has
a
parking
pad
a
structure.
Everyone
doesn't
have
a
struggle
driveway,
but
us
and
a
parking
pad
in
front
of
it.
Some
of
these
parking
pads
are
multiple
cars.
G
J
Designation,
I
fully
understand
that
well
appreciate
that.
Also,
if
you
look
at
that
picture
of
three,
it
kind
of
shows
you
what
you're
back
up
into
and
if
you
look
you've
got
to
back
up.
If
you
don't
you're
going
to
back
up,
you
got
to
avoid
the
two
telephone
poles
that
are
on
the
right.
That's
hard
to
see
around.
J
You
also
got
three
lanes
of
traffic
right
there,
where
it
bottlenecks
at
is
three
lanes
of
traffic,
so
that
gives
norman
bridge
road
and
then,
when
you
get
past
norman
bridge
road,
it
goes
to
four
lanes
of
traffic.
So
you
get
a
bottleneck
right
there,
and
then
you
also
are
backing
it
over
a
double
yellow
line.
J
Now
picture
four
just
shows
the
next
door
neighbor
on
how
his
house
is.
If
you
look
at
that
house,
it
looks
a
lot
like
this
house.
We've
got
and
then
you
also
see
the
next
door
neighbor's
house,
where
he's
got
the
double
driveway
and
also
you
can't
see
that
parking
pad
there,
but
you
can
see
the
two
cars
that
are
part
there
now.
K
J
K
J
K
Now
for
your
information,
this
photograph
number
two
also
shows
my
house.
I
live
at
3042
maston
lane
and
this
property
backs
up
to
my
property.
So
I'm
familiar
with
this
house.
I've
passed
it
every
day
for
more
than
21
years.
You
understand
I'm
unaware
of
anyone.
That's
lived
in
this
house
having
a
problem
getting
out
of
the
driveway
because
of
the
parking
in
the
back.
J
Okay,
well
then,
the
problem
you
got
is
you've
got
to
pull
in
143
feet.
It's
half
a
football
field
to
park
in
the
driveway,
then
to
get
in
the
backyard.
You've
got
to
hook
up
gates
to
get
in
the
backyard,
and
then
you've
got
to
come
around
to
come
back
now.
We've
got
several
problems
with
that,
because
who's
going
to
come
into
your
house
and
visit
you
and
then
pull
in
your
back
of
your
driveway.
I
mean
I've
got
guests
that
come.
I've
got
a
wife
that
has
a
son.
J
K
To
have
people,
mr
cox
you're
just
doing
work
at
the
house,
you're
not
going
to
live
there,
I'm
not
the
owner,
okay
and
the
owner.
As
I
understand
it,
purchased
this
house,
they
have
you
and
your
son
doing
some
renovations
and
they
intend
to
sell
it.
That's
correct
all
right,
so
I
don't
think
it's
relevant
for
us
to
talk
about
what
a
future
owner
may
do
in
the
future.
K
J
Well,
let
me
finish:
if
you
don't
mind,
sir,
go
ahead,
I
think
that's
bigger
different
there,
because
number
one
you've
got
a
house
that
is
it's
unfunctional.
The
driveway
is
unfunctional
for
the
neighborhood.
You've
got
more
in
the
state.
There
then
you've
got
a
house,
and
then
you
also
got
to
remember
that
you're
on
actually
a
county
road
21.
This
is
a
highway.
East
fairview
runs
from
southport
street.
All
the
way
down
to
the
airline
road
in
front
of
montgomery
country
club
behind
the
college.
J
West
fairview
runs
all
the
way
around
the
highway,
never
stops
continuous
road.
So
what
you've
got
if
you're
living
on
a
highway
you're
backing
up
into
a
into
a
a
triple
lane?
Driveway
that,
I
think
is,
is
just
uncomfortable
number
one,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
that
lives
there.
That
has
children
and
you
got
a
4,
300
square
foot
house
with
four
bathrooms
in
it.
There's
going
to
be
more
than
one
person
more
than
two
people
and
more
than
three
people
that
live
in
that
nation,
you're
gonna
have
a
family
there.
J
I
know
my
house
was
full.
We
had
three
kids,
all
them
playing
football,
baseball,
basketball,
cheerleading
and
everything
else,
and
we
always
had
people
coming
to
our
house.
So
I
mean
I
understand
that
different
situations,
different
people
by
the
house
who
can
do
different
things,
but
a
house
this
size
is
more
than
a
state.
It's
not
a
little
small
three
bedroom,
two
bath
house.
J
J
I
got
on
that
google
map
that
you
can
that
you
can
get
on,
and
I
study
every
driveway
down
that
road
and
what
I
found
was
that
the
whole
block
of
fairview
I've
got
circle
driveway
this
parking
pad
within
our
block
also
that
there's
89
houses
on
east
fairview,
65
of
those
houses
have
parking
pads
65
of
those
houses.
Absolute
parking
pass,
there's
only
five
driveways.
K
Okay,
well
homes
outside
of
this
area.
This
is
the
historic
designated
area
cloverdale
ottawa.
So
what
going
on
at
huntington-
which
I
don't
think
is
a
historic
district
people
in
historic
districts
can
do
a
lot
of
things
that
people
or
people
that
do
not
live
in
historic
districts
can
do
a
lot
of
things
that
people
that
do
live
in
historic
districts
cannot.
J
J
A
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
it
was
done.
Without
any
I
mean
you
didn't,
hire
a
professional
designer
like
your
next
door,
neighbor
on
the
towards
the
madness
church.
Did
it's
too
big,
you've
already
you've
dumped
slag
everywhere
or
crushed
limestone
or
something
just
it's
it.
It
said
it
speaks
to
me
of
carelessness
as
far
as
the
beauty
of
the
neighborhood
and
of
this
particular
house,
designed
by
frank,
lockwood,
our
most
prestigious
architect
from
the
early
20th
century.
J
Understand
that
and
and
I'm
sorry
it
looks
like
it
does,
but
when
we
started
it
the
next
day
we
got
a
stop
order
on
it.
So
we
had
to
stop
what
we
were
doing.
So
we
were
right
in
the
middle
of
the
house
and
we
got
and
we
got
head
stopped.
So
I
don't
want
you
to
judge
what
it
looks
like
now,
what
it's
going
to
look
like
when
we
get
through
with
it,
but
I
mean,
like
I
said,.
J
Okay:
okay,
well
me
and
chrissy
got
together
and
we
talked
about
a
few
things
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
come
out
23
foot,
if
you'll
notice,
if
you'll
look
at
the,
I
think
it's
picture
the
overview
picture,
the
satellite
picture.
If
you'll
look,
we
want
to
come
23
foot
from
the
original
driveway
over
against
that
walkway,
and
then
we
want
to
go
two
foot
with
a
burb
up
to
hide
it
with
boxwoods
to
match
the
other
boxwoods
that
are
around
the
house.
Mr.
G
J
G
J
J
We
also
want
to
go
with
boxwoods
down
the
side,
we're
going
to
go
down
16
foot,
and
then
we
want
to
come
over
10
foot
to
an
angle.
So
when
you
pull
out
that
car's
nose
can
swing
out
and
get
out,
so
what
we're
talking
about
as
far
as
material
wise,
then
a
crushed
slag
is
a
different
animal
than
regular
slag
crush
lag
is
what
I
find
out
is
probably
one
of
the
easiest
products
and
one
of
the
best
products
to
use,
but
number
one.
J
You
put
80
pounds
of
concrete
in
that
area
and
you
mix
that
in
after
you,
water
it
down
and
all
that
gets
good
and
hard
after
a
while
now
at
the
driveway
at
the
end
of
the
driveway,
we're
going
to
dig
out
about
four
foot
before
we
get
to
where
the
curb
is
so
that
slag
will
be
pushed
up
against
that
original
or
that
original
stop
with
a
slag.
So
you
won't
have
all
that
slag
going
into
the
street
and
that's
going
to
be
hard.
Eventually,
it's
all
going
to
be
hard.
J
J
J
We
want
to
be
able
to
get
out
of
this
driveway
onto
a
highway
in
a
safe
manner,
because
this
house
is
not
in
a
neighborhood
it's
in
it's
on
a
highway.
I
mean
it's
not,
I
don't
understand
a
lot
of
people
say
when
you
park
in
the
back
and
you
park
in
the
back.
That's
fine
for
these
little
houses
of
neighborhood
that
don't
have
a
143
foot
drive
through
the
park
downstairs.
J
H
I
H
Even
hold
on,
even
if
you
were
to
put
the
box
woods
around
it,
I
think
the
box
woods
being
placed
around
it
to
fix
the
scenario.
That's
already
been
in
place.
Okay,
we'll
just
be
trying
to
put
a
band-aid
on
an
issue
to
try
to
fix
something
that
you've
already
done
in
violation
of
the
architectural
review
board.
I
also
think
that
it
is
still
not
in
with
the
nature
of
the
area
in
which
it's
presented.
H
Second,
the
next
thing
I'll
say
is
that
the
rear
yard,
which
I
know
we
have
not
discussed
yet
but
looking
into
your
stuff,
the
rear
yard.
There
is
a
massive
amount
of
gravel
okay
and
I
think
that
that
again
looks
at
is
obtrusive
and
looks
like
it
takes
away
now
on
the
street.
I
can't
can't
see
the
backyard
as
much
so
it
doesn't
bop.
H
J
K
J
But
we
added
we
added
gravel
where
the
pool
was
the
pool.
If
you
look
at
that
little
there's
a
little
house
back
there
yeah
all
the
slabs
in
the
house
is
cracked
up,
I
mean
and
it's
cracked
up.
I
mean
it's
buckled
up
two
inches,
that
same
route
went
straight
to
that
pool
and
cracked
the
bottom
of
that
pool.
We
had
poo
to
come
out
to
see
what
he
could
do,
because
we
wanted
to
save
the
pool
just
as
bad
as
anybody
else,
because
I
mean
who
wouldn't
want
to
poop.
You
know.
J
J
Wrong,
that's
why
we
didn't
pull
down.
Let
me
tell
you
another
thing
too
guys.
I
never
knew
that
we
had
to
go
in
front
of
an
architectural
reborn
to
do
a
driveway.
When
I
called
the
city
and
and
anytime
I've
done
driveway,
they
said
long,
you
don't
bust
a
curb.
You
can
pretty
much
do
what
you
want
now.
I
understand
our
review
board
was
in
charge
of
the
house
to
color
the
house.
The
trees
in
the
house
never
had
any
idea
that
they
would
be
in
charge
of
a
driveway.
I
apologize
for
my
for
that.
K
K
Me
get
through
with
what
you're
asking
us
to
do
and
then
we
can
go
back
and
discuss
them
a
bit
more
in
detail.
Okay,
yes,
sir
all
right
from
the
top
again
the
parking
pad
the
driveway
repair,
not
a
problem
and
the
alteration
and
gravel
in
the
back.
Okay,
let's
talk
about
the
pool
you
build
in
the
pool.
J
J
J
K
K
L
L
So
all
we
did
was
add
slag
to
where
there
was
already
slack,
just
become
old
and
eventually
just
packed
down
into
the
ground.
So
with
that,
we
we
didn't
change
anything
to
the
existing
property.
All
we
did
was
add
new
slack.
Really.
What
we're
asking
to
do
is
forward
the
parking
pad
with
the
box
woods
as
we
showed
our
packet
and
then
slag
down
the
driveway.
K
J
K
K
J
I
just
I
just
want
to
bump
it
out
two
more
foot
just
to
where
the
parking
pad
is
so
people
can
get
in
and
out
without
messing
up
that
corn.
You
know
when
everybody
drives
into
a
driveway
that
first
little
bit
when
you
come
in
everybody,
what's
it
up
right
there?
If
we
can
move
that
over,
we
can
stop
that.
A
J
We
were
going
to
put
a
bird
there
and
make
it
like
a
flower
bed
right
there
for
the
box,
which
kind
of
sit
up
a
little
bit.
That
way
you
kind
of
hide
from
the
cars
a
little
bit
too
so,
in
other
words,
you've
got
a
four
foot
burb
there
and
then
you're
gonna
put
crop
boxes
on
top
of
that,
and
then
what
I
want
to
do
is
put
a
box
right
here,
the
box
over
here
and
then
one
in
the
middle
and
outside
that
way.
J
Sorry,
I
am,
but
my
original
plan
for
that
front
of
the
driveway
is
we're
coming
off
four
foot
from
the
walkway.
Yes,
we're
gonna
fill
that
in
with
dirt.
Yes,
we're
gonna
put
boxwoods
on
top
of
that
in
that
flower
bed
and
we're
gonna
put
the
box
woods
where
you
got
two
and
you
got
one
in
the
middle
that
way,
it
fills
that
up
a
lot
better
and
that
burb
will
give
a
little
bit
more
room
to
hide
the
front
of
those
cars.
Now
you
got
to
understand
too.
This
car
is
already
off
the
ground.
J
J
O
O
Those
that
row
of
lockwood
houses,
not
the
one
on
norman
bridge,
it's
a
mess,
but
the
lockwood
houses
have
very
nice
parking.
Some
of
them
are
paved.
One
of
them
is
paved
with
belgium
blocks
and
someone
has
lived
in
that
house
for
close
to
100
years
and
has
found
parking
not
on
fairview,
but
in
the
back,
and
heaven
knows
from
the
pictures
it
looks
like
it's
all
crush
and
somebody
that
can
drive
should
be
able
to
turn
around.
I
I'm
charlie
colvin
with
the
cia,
the
cloverdale
idlewild
association,
and
I
don't
want
to
bore
you
with
a
lot
of
history,
but
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
cleveland
wild
association
sought
historic
designation
specifically
because
we
had
no
covenants
in
the
old
neighborhood.
We
wanted
to
preserve
the
character
and
the
nature
of
our
neighborhood
cia
is
unique
in
that
it's
the
last
of
the
neighborhoods,
where
an
individual
owner
bought
a
lot
hired
an
architect,
built
the
property
and,
as
a
result,
we
have
a
wide
variety
of
architecture
in
that
neighborhood.
I
I
Our
last
meeting
when
this
came
up
before
the
board,
the
cia
position
was
pretty
straightforward.
We
ask
you
to
deny
the
petition
in
its
entirety,
tell
them
to
start
over.
Put
everything
back
start
over.
We've
modified
that
now,
because
it
for
us
comes
down
to
a
single
issue,
the
parking
pad
and
what
it
does
to
the
appearance
of
the
front
of
that
house.
I
The
driveway
is
cracked,
I'm
not
sure,
there's
a
driveway
in
cia
that
isn't
cracked
and
and
rough,
but
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
crushed
rock
with
concrete,
what
the
slag
looks
like
as
long
as
it
has
the
appearance
of
concrete.
As
long
as
it
looks
like
a
driveway,
we
are
not
concerned
with
that.
A
couple
of
feet,
wider
to
us
does
not
cause
concern.
I
I
The
tension
mounts
as
the
crowd
waits
there.
It
is
go
one
more,
that's
it!
The
the
house
is
very
stately.
It
sits
well
on
the
property
and
putting
boxwoods
in
a
square
coming
off
the
driveway
blocking
that
portion
of
it
simply
detracts
from
the
appearance
of
the
home.
It
detracts
from
the
architecture
and
it
simply
makes
it
in
our
case
untenable.
I
I
agree
that
that's
a
long
driveway
and
that
would
be
a
long
way
to
back
out
if
you
had
to
back
out
of
the
driveway,
but
you
don't
there's
enough
room
in
that
backyard
to
put
an
18-wheeler
in
there
and
circle
it
around
and
pull
it
out,
so
it
it
isn't
necessary.
The
backyard
is
fine
with
us
as
it
is
we're
not
asking
you
to
do
anything
except
approve
their
modification
of
the
backyard.
They've
got
a
literally
a
double
patio
back
there.
Looking
very
nice,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
I
I
I
I
we
just
don't
see
the
need
for
it.
So
for
the
parking
bad
for
the
convenience
of
guests
with
we.
We
just
don't
see
that
as
an
issue,
and
we
think
that
the
bed
we
think
it's
important
to
preserve
the
appearance
of
the
lockwood
home
and
the
property.
So
we
would
like
to
see
the
front
yard
completely
re-soldered
and
done
do
the
driveway,
as
he
proposes,
leaves
the
backyard
as
it
is,
and
that
would
be
our
recommendation
from
the
cia.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
K
I
In
the
in
the
business
of
how
many
of
the
other
houses
that
are
in
the
historic
area
that
have
turnaround
drives
or
that
have
ipads,
the
fact
is,
we
cannot
identify
any
of
those
that
were
not
done.
Prior
to
the
time
we
got
historic,
designation,
they're,
all
grandfathered,
since
I've
been
with
the
cia
and
we
were
instrumental
in
getting
the
historic
designation.
I
We
have
not
appeared
to
discuss
anything
like
a
parking
pad
on
fairview,
so
memory
service
correctly.
This
would
be
the
first
time
we've
done
it.
We
would
probably
have
opposed
it
unless
there
was
some
cosmetic
reason
that
it
simply
was
invisible,
but
in
this
case
it's
prominent
and
we
think
that
that's
not
a
good
idea.
K
I
I
G
J
Can
we
talk
about
the
pictures
at
us
right
now,
all
that
right
there,
the
the
pine
straw
you
see
up
there,
all
that's
going
to
be
resolded
anyway,
and
the
burb
is
coming
back
way
back
up
there
to
the
top
of
the
face.
All
that
you'll
see
all
that
grass
through
there
when
the
guy
came
and
dug
that
stuff
out,
he
was
going
ahead
and
building
a
flower
bed
in
there.
He
just
got
too
carried
away
on
that
one
side,
so
that
was
all
going
to
be
resotted
up
to
that.
J
H
N
H
J
G
L
A
J
E
J
G
G
J
It
will
be
a
little
rougher
than
normal.
It
won't
be
a
smooth
concrete,
but
it
will
be
tacked
together
where
it
is
hard,
so
you
can
drive
on
it
and
walk
on
it.
It's
still
kind
of
smooth
enough
to
walk
on
with
your
bare
feet.
You
just
don't
want
to
it's
just
not
hard.
It's
not
as
as
dense
as
concrete
is.
J
A
K
K
J
Like
have
you
ever
seen
an
eggplant
wall,
you
know
an
egg
wall,
that's
got
the
eggshell
paint
on
it,
let's
kind
of
give
it
the
little
bit
a
little
bit
rougher
than
that.
I
would
think,
but
it
kind
of
gives
you
the
idea
of
what
it
looks
like,
but
you
know
it's
not
like
you're
going
to
walk
and
trip
over
it
like
you
like,
you
are
now,
so
it's
whatever
it
is
going
to
be
better
than
what
we
got.
I
will
say,
and
it
shouldn't
spill.
J
K
K
K
E
K
A
A
J
E
A
K
K
A
K
G
B
A
J
J
E
H
The
rear,
the
rear,
gravel
that
y'all
had
talked
about
before
the
the
rear
improvements
that
y'all
say.
You
didn't
have
an
issue
with
we
agreed
and
we
said
that
it's
acceptable.
Okay,
we
approved
the
driveway
with
the
flag,
okay
and
then
we,
but
we
denied
the
parking
pad
in
the
front
of
the
building
the
front
of
the
house.
Sorry.
Q
Hello,
my
name
is
susie
rhodes
and
I
own
the
property
at
1031
woodward
avenue,
and
I
am
requesting
your
approval
for
the
removal
of
the
tree
in
the
backyard.
It
is
a
hackberry
tree,
I
believe,
according
to
mr
stringer
hackberry
tree,
and
it
is
situated
on
the
fence
line,
the
common
fence
line
between
myself
and
my
neighbor,
and
it's
got
a
pretty
good
lean
to
it.
Maybe
20
25
degree
lean
and
it's
pushing
the
fence
over.
Q
C
G
G
H
I
K
P
I'm
caroline
mullen
camp.
I'm
here
for
1490
south
prairie
we're
asking
to
do
three
things.
One
of
them
is
to
remove
a
tree.
That's
a
sugarberry
tree
that
sits
on
a
corner
of
the
property
line,
it's
leaning
and
we
believe
that
it'll
fall
down
at
some
point,
but
it's
also
impeding
on
one
of
the
other
positions
or
items
that
I'm
asking
for,
which
is
to
install
a
perimeter
fence
on
the
property.
P
P
The
third
thing
that
we're
asking
for
is
to
shorten
the
driveway.
We
have
a
circular
drive
right
now,
that
is
all
on
felder
street,
and
we
want
to
close
off
the
section
that
is
closest
to
the
house
with
the
fence
and
new
landscaping
across
that
this
picture
that
you
see
right
now
where
the
car
and
the
garage
are.
That
would
actually
have
a
gate
for
the
car
and
would
be
the
only
ingress
and
egress
into
the
property
to
the
left
of
the
garage
and
forward
of
it.
P
We
would
install
a
parking
pad
so
that
you
could
actually
do
a
three-point
turn
and
get
out
of
the
driveway
instead
of
using
the
circular
drive.
The
biggest
reason
for
not
keeping
the
circular
drive
is
that
to
install
a
gate
on
it.
The
other
side
of
it
is
much
closer
to
the
house
and
has
a
bit
of
a
hill
to
it
or
a
bit
of
a
pitch
which
makes
installing
an
electric
gate
more
difficult
as
far
as
keeping
the
fence
somewhat
straight.
P
P
We
would
use
a
mesh
type
of
fence
that
would
connect
into
an
existing
chain
link
fence
so
from
the
streets
and
from
the
neighbor's
perspective,
you
would
see
the
iron
fence
from
the
back
bit
instead
of
chain
link,
you
would
see
more
of
a
mesh
which
is
simply
being
done
from
a
practical
standpoint.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
tree.
That
right
now
is
we're
asking
to
take
out.
P
C
H
A
If
we've
got
a
fence
like
this,
that
house
has
always
been
so
presented.
Such
a
great
facade
to
the
street.
This
kind
of
arch
brings
that
up
into
the
sight
line,
it
would
be
better
to
have
a
flat
fence
or
to
go
down
going
down,
is
probably
a
little
cottagy
for
your
house,
but
I
would
say,
go
straight
across
rather
than
have
that
arch.
P
A
M
M
We
made
sure
that
it
we
did
everything
we're
supposed
to
do.
Beautified
the
area
took
care
of
everything
with
the
intent
of
of
improving
the
entire
neighborhood
and
so
about
a
year
ago,
maybe
nine
months
ago,
allison
purchased
the
house
from
me.
She
had
lived
there
as
a
as
a
tenant
renter
and
about
nine
months
ago
she
purchased
the
house
and
they
were
beginning.
They
have
a
single
drive
on
the
side
of
the
house
that
she
had
had
a
issue
with.
M
She
was
concerned
about
going
in
and
out
of
her
back
door
just
from
the
being
a
single
female
was
concerned,
although
there
were
ways
to
get
there,
she
was
concerned
with
that.
She
approached
me
and
said
dad.
Would
you
think
we
could
get
a
driveway
board
with
a
little
pack
parking
pad
and
I
sort
of
like
everybody
else.
I
didn't
know
the
difference
between
a
parking
pad
and
a
driveway
I'd
had
one
in
my
previous
home,
and
so
she
said
they're
they're
around.
M
So
we
are
now
have
poured
the
pad
and
with
the
idea
that
we
would
already
be
planting
and
doing
screening
off,
because
she
had
seen
neighbors
both
across
the
street
and
sideways
and
all
those
kinds
of
things.
I
don't
know
how
long
those
things
had
gone
back
previous
to
this
board's
purview
in.
I
think
1986.
M
But
that
was
we
will
put
in
boxwoods
and
do
that.
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now
we
are
petitioning
to
we
stopped
at
that
point
when
we
realized
that
this
was
not
where
we're
going.
You
have
a
picture
here
of.
What's
I
just
quickly
sort
of
photoshopped
in
some
boxwoods,
just
from
the
front
of
her
house,
we
put
boxwoods
in
and
match
the
rest
of
the
house.
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now.
G
G
O
O
O
She
could
back
up
there.
You
certainly
can
park
on
that
street.
It's
not
a
frequented
street.
I
mean
it's
a
very
long
street,
but
people
park
on
it
from
you
know,
especially
at
the
other
end
of
it
the
eastern
end.
So
this
you
know
is
another
case
of:
do
it
and
they'll
approve
it,
so
we
we
would
like
for
the
appearance
of
the
neighborhood.
O
K
O
There
are
two
objections:
one
is
doing
something
that
they
either
know
better
and
just
do
it
anyway,
or
they
haven't
bothered
to
find
out
the
rules
for
a
historic
neighborhood.
That's
one
thing,
and
it's
it's
we'll
see
in
the
next
issue
same
thing:
we
saw
it
earlier
today
on
fairview,
and
so
that's
one
and
the
other
is
aesthetics.
O
B
K
K
If
you
park
your
car
there,
it's
going
to
cover
half
of
the
almost
half
the
house
from
the
street
the
parking
pad
and
you
could
have
the
parking
you
could
have
the
driveway
and
put
down
either
more
pavers
which
up,
apparently
there
are
pavers
from
the
street
to
the
front
porch
or
you
could
install
a
small
walkway
so
that
someone
could
park
in
the
driveway
and
walk
to
the
front
door.
I
mean
I
can
understand
safety
concerns,
but
that
parking
pad
really
takes
up
a
lot
of
that
front
yard.
M
Just
just
speaking
of
that,
I'm
not
sure
where
the
comment
was
ever
given
in
terms
of
flooding.
I
I
sure
don't
know
that
I
went
before
the
the
cloverdale
association
one
night
in
the
park
over
there
and
explained
what
was
going
on,
but
I
will
say
this
was
one
of
those
situations
daughter
was
concerned.
They've
been
parking
on
the
street
they're
correct.
M
She
has
a
roommate
that
she
rents
a
room
to
and
they
had
been
parking
on
the
street
and
I
just
thought
it's
better
to
be
off
of
the
street.
The
city
really
doesn't
need
people
parking
on
the
street.
So
that's
that's
where
this
came
from,
give
her
as
quick
access
to
her
front
door
as
possible
and
being
a
single
female.
I
thought
this
was.
K
H
I'll
say
that
I
appreciate
you
as
a
father
trying
to
do
something
for
your
daughter.
I
really
do
and
trying
to
help
her
out,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
known
and
then.
Secondly,
I
kind
of
again
I
agree
with
you,
john
hayden,
the
driveway
itself
doesn't
bother
me
and
I
think
the
driveway
would
still
allow
them
to
park
off
the
street
and
still
give
closer
access
to
the
front
door
entry,
but
the
parking
pad
taking
up
a
majority
of
the
frontage
of
the
house
is
really
where
my
concern
lies.
A
K
G
G
O
N
Okay,
sorry
well,
it
is
typical
that
I
usually
ask
for
permission
before
I
do
things,
but
honestly
on
this
one,
I
really
wasn't
thinking.
If
you
look
at
the
picture,
the
strip
on
the
house
is
very,
very
narrow
and
there
is
a
big
palm
tree
that
was
blocking
proper
driving
down
the
driveway
and
typically
on
my
projects,
I
have
a
lot
of
people
working.
There
was
just
one
that
kept
getting
their
tires
stuck
on
the
root
on
the
side
of
the
driveway.
N
There's
a
there's,
a
drainage,
a
drainage
issue
that
was
created.
I
guess
whenever
they
did
that
garage,
but
it's
a
swamp
back
there
and
it
would
pour
down,
and
so
my
guys
were
getting.
We
were
all
getting
our
tires
stuck,
and
so
my
landscape
was
like
hey.
I
can
just
throw
some
some
some
gravel
out
here
and
we
he
was
like.
I
see
everybody
else
got
gravel
and
I
just
did
it
to
make
more
parking
and
and
a
wider
driveway,
so
it
could
be
functional
those
front
pads.
N
N
N
And
so
what
I'm
looking
to
do
is
preserve
it,
because
I
think
whoever's
going
to
move
there.
It
is
going
to
need
more
parking
there
for
the
houses
of
this
size,
3
600
square
feet.
It's
just
not
adequate
parking
or
driveway
space
for
like
a
car.
For
today
I
mean
a
truck
can't
you
know,
couldn't
get
back
there
without
getting
into
the
grassy
area
and
getting
stuck
so
they're
going
to
need
more
parking.
I
plan
on
making
it
more
beautiful
in
the
end
once
we're
done
with
the
construction
of
it
and
again.
N
N
It's
do
or
die
and
yeah
it's
just
not
functional
for
today,
especially
if
you
got
kids
at
first
before
I
did
that
I
would
be
getting
out
with
my
kids
at
that
front
parking
pad
and
if
you
got
four
little
ones
like
I
do
now,
you
guys
have
been
with
me
through
all
my
kids.
Now
I
have
four
so
trying
to
keep
one
from
getting
out
in
the
van,
not
getting
in
the
trap.
I
mean
it's
just
it's
a
mess
for
all
those
that
have
done
things
for
parking
on
fairview.
N
N
So
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
maintain
it
but
beautify
it
and
make
it
prettier
like.
I
think
she
referenced
one
a
particular
neighbor.
I
think
seven
is
it
seven
hundred
yeah?
She
has
some.
She
has
her
gravel
with
herb
and
she
has
some
plantings
along
it.
Some
bushes,
that
kind
of
help
soften
it.
N
K
K
N
A
N
Directly
like
there
is
no
and
because
there's
no
sidewalk,
that's
the
other
issue,
so
there's
no
buffer
between
you
backing
out
and
like
traffic
there's
nothing
in
between
there.
So
again,
my
idea
is
to
try
to
like
create
some
curved
edging
around
it,
just
to
kind
of
soften
it
and
again
back
it
away
from
the
the
walkway
of
the
house
right
now.
It's
just
functional
parking
space
for
construction
site.
N
A
O
It
is
true
that
the
driveway
is
extremely
narrow.
I
didn't
see
the
palm
tree
blocking
it
but
anyway,
but
these
pads
in
the
front
if
they
were
in
fact
connected,
not
solid,
but
just
a
little
way
that
you
could
pull
in
and
go
around
and
then
face
out
faced.
Fairview
two
cars
could
do
that
now.
If
there's
now
room
for
four,
but
there
is
the
problem
of
backing
straight
into
fairview,
which
is
pretty
dangerous,
but.
O
But
see
you
could
make
it
from
the
driveway
a
little
arm
across
to
to
the
first
pad
the
eastern
pad
and
then
that
area
between,
and
so
they
would
be
connected.
So
you
could
get
to
all
of
the
parking
places
by
turning
around
and
facing
fairview
because
it
does
take.
As
someone
pointed
out,
the
the
gravel
up
there
now
is
taking
up
half
of
the
lot
and
it
is
a
charming
house.
It
is
a
really
picturesque,
looking
little
house
and
then
there's
the
issue
of
being
rewarded
for
breaking
the
rules.
G
The
one
thing
that
was
requested
in
the
letter
that
was
sent
but
not
provided
was
actual
dimensions
of.
What's
there
either
it
looks
like
you
could
park
three
vehicles
side
by
side
and,
of
course,
the
one
photo
when
I
took
it
there
was
a
box
truck
parked
there.
So
you
can't
even
see
the
front
door
because
it
encroaches
that
far
over
in
front
of
the
house,
yeah.
A
F
N
Would
I'm
good
given
the
narrowness
of
the
lie?
It's
a
narrow
lot
versus
a
deeper
lie.
It's
almost
impossible
to
even
create
a
turnaround
without
coming
that
deep.
If
that
makes
sense
into
the
yard,
it's
only.
I
think,
50
feet
wide.
So
even
the
20
feet
foot
parking
pad.
I
mean
it
just
because
again,
that
would
have
been
the
attempt
to
try
to
come
around
and
drive
down
the
park.
How
that
car
is
kind
of
turned
that
way
towards
fairview
yeah,
but
you
I
mean
just
given
the
nature
of
the
width.