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A
A
All
decisions
by
the
architectural
review
board
are
final.
Any
person
having
a
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
denied
by
the
board
may
appeal
such
denial
to
the
montgomery
circuit
court.
Any
such
appeal
shall
be
filed
with
the
circuit
court
within
30
days
after
the
receipt
of
the
notice
of
the
final
decision
of
the
board.
A
We
have
five
members
present
tonight.
It
takes
five
votes
to
pass
a
motion
because
of
the
number
of
board
members
present.
If
you
would
like
to
delay
your
request,
please
let
us
know
the
time
your
request
is
announced,
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
architecturally
board
members
for
tonight.
I'm
elizabeth
brown,
the
chairman
of
the
board,
and
we
have
barry
robinson.
His
first
meeting
be
kind
to
him,
john
foshi,
with
us
for
the
first
time
after
a
year
he's
been
in
quarantine,
so
we
have
to
be
kind
to
john
too
hillary
morgan
and
khalia
bell.
A
A
All
right,
any
any
other
things
we
need
to
do
before
the
meeting.
B
I
am
not
brian
bagley
because
we
weren't
certain.
We
were
going
to
get
a
quorum
last
month
when
this
item
was
up
and
I
tried
to
catch
him
before
he
left
birmingham,
but
he
was
already
here.
I
told
him
he
didn't
have
to
wait
and
I
would
present
it
for
him
this
month.
So
as
after
the
discussion
we
had
so
he
has
poured
a
parking
pad
over
what
was
a
gravel
parking
area
in
front
of
this
building
and
I've
lost.
B
So
paved
over
what
was
already
parking,
but
the
issue
in
my
mind
is
that
he
also
removed
the
sidewalk
and
paved
over
it
to
make
the
sidewalk
part
of
the
parking
as
well.
So
we've
lost
that
connection
of
you
know
the
pedestrian
pathway
between
the
street
and
the
house
was
never
very
fabulous,
but
he,
after
we
discussed
it
before
the
last
meeting.
B
He
said
that
if
you
all
wanted
separation
between
the
two
that
he
would
be
willing
to
make
a
cut
and
put
in
some
plants-
and
you
know
somehow
delineate
those
two
spaces,
because
I
told
him
when
people
have
asked
for
permission
first-
you
all
have
asked
for
that
demarcation.
B
C
D
E
Darby
forrester,
representing
the
old
cloverdale
association:
this
is
a
small
yard,
a
small
front
yard,
so
you
basically
probably
got
at
least
75
percent
paved
over.
E
You
know,
old
cloverdale
is
known
for
having
the
walkways
separated
from
the
driveway.
We
don't
have
everything
at
all
as
one
big
mass
piece.
We
would
prefer
to
have
it
cut
and
have
flowers
or
oil
monkey
grass
or
something
so.
At
least
you
can
show
a
little
bit
of
separation
between
a
walkway
and
the
slab
of
driveway.
Okay,.
G
F
B
A
I
think
that
the
that
we
should
ask
for
a
cut
and
probably
have
it
be
the
width
of
the
stairs,
since
the
concrete
goes
all
the
way
to
the
edge
of
the
steps
on
the
other
side
and
have
it
come
down.
And
it's
probably
going
to
have
to
stop
short
of
these
water
meters
conveniently
located
in
the
middle
of
the.
A
All
right,
second,
second,
all
in
favor
opposed
excellent.
Thank
you,
sherry
barnadour,.
D
D
E
E
B
A
A
G
Thank
you
very
much.
I
come
before
you
to
request
approval
of
a
plan.
We
have
submitted
to
the
board
for
rebuilding
a
deck
on
the
back
of
our
house
and
to
add
a
screen
porch
on
part
of
it.
You
have.
Can
we
start
actually
on
the
pictures
with
page
four.
D
G
Okay,
no,
you
don't
have
the
one
there
that
was
taken
from
the
right
side
of
the
house,
which
shows
the
addition
to
the
building
that
was
made
in
2006..
That
would
just
we'll
just
leave
it
there.
That's
good!
If
you
go
back
one
more
where
you
just
had
it
good
right
there
we're
talking
about
this
part
of
the
deck.
What
I
wanted
you
to
see
at
first,
though,
was
a
picture
that
is
in
your
in
the
proposal
that
we
made.
G
That
has
it
from
the
other
side
so
that
you
see
the
the
edition
from
the
front.
This
edition
was
made
in
2006
by
ashley
gilbreath,
so
that
that
whole
edition
was
made.
Then
you
can
see
it
from
the
front
on
the
right
side.
But
if
you
look
at
the
other
picture
in
the
report
that
I
sent
you,
you
do
not
see
any
of
that
edition.
When
you
look
on
the
left
side,
because,
as
you
can
tell
in
this
picture,
the
addition
is
four
feet
inside
the
south
wall.
G
Okay,
so
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
make
clear
the
deck.
I
were
not
able
to
determine
yet
I've
been
to
her
office
on
graham
street,
but
have
not
been
able
to
secure
information
about
whether
the
deck
was
built
at
that
time
or
shortly
thereafter,
by
the
people
who
owned
the
house
at
the
time.
G
G
We
want
to
keep
the
footprint
for
the
most
part,
but
we
want
to
extend
it
one
foot
on
the
south
side
and
reduce
it
one
foot
on
the
west.
So
as
you
look
right
here,
this
shows
you
in
the
white
where
the
deck,
where
the
porch
would
be
everyone
see
following
me.
So
it's
on
the
right
side,
it's
in
the
light
color
that
would
that
extends
one
foot
beyond
where
the
present
deck
extends,
and
on
the
front
that
you
see
here,
it
is
one
foot
short
of
where
it
is
now.
G
The
other
thing
you
will
notice
in
this
particular
picture
is
that
we
will
have
railing
on
part
of
the
deck
as
it
extends
beyond
the
point
of
the
white
image
here
there
will
not
be
railing
because
we're
going
to
lower
the
height
of
the
deck
and
then
put
steps
so
that
we
will
not
need
by
the
time
you
get
to
where
you
see,
there's
no
deck,
and
there
is
actually
you
can
see
it
better.
G
The
mounting
of
the
rafters
of
the
porch
will
mount
onto
the
headers
on
the
addition
there
and
what
we
need
to
do
on
this
there's
a
fair
amount
of
rot
on
the
fascia
boards.
We've
got
to
deal
with
that,
and
this
will
be
one
way.
Most
of
that
will
be
removed
and
then
the
roof
of
the
porch
will
go
exit
right
up
there,
underneath
the
present
roof
and
the
our
the
construction
people
will
sort
that
out
and
fix
it.
G
The
way
it
needs
to
be
the
on
page
seven,
you
will
see
the
floor
plan
of
this
so
that
the
deck
of
the
porch
itself
will
be
11
feet.
The
width
and
then
24
feet
from
the
corner,
where
the
old
part
and
the
new
part
of
the
house
meets
to
just
be
on
the
windows.
On
that
side,
there
will
be
a
screened
door
that
allows
you
to
go
in
and
out
from
the
porch
area
of
the
deck
area
and
then
an
open
part
of
the
deck
in
the
bottom
left
hand
corner
of
that
picture.
G
G
G
G
Okay,
clear
enough
on
that.
You
will
see
that
there
will
be
seven
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
porch
of
the
drip
line
to
the
property
line,
which
is
now
a
chain-link
fence
that
is
heavily
covered
over
with
long-lived
hedges
of
various
kinds
and
some
trees
and
various
sticker
bushes
as
well.
G
G
You
see
the
screen
door
in
that
one
there's
a
window
that
will
be
inside
the
screen
door,
which
is
exposed
now
and
then
step
down,
and
you
come
to
the
extended
deck
area.
Okay,
we
have
presented
this
these
drawings
and
the
pictures
to
our
neighbors
on
the
right
and
the
left
of
us.
They
have
expressed
their
support
for
this
and
unless
you
have
further
questions,
that's
sort
of
what
we
would
like
to
say
and
do
about
it.
Aaron
corbin
is
the
contractor
for
this
who's
done
a
lot
of
work
and
old.
G
E
Darby
foster
recommending
representing
the
cloverdale
association,
the
liner
for
the
shed
roof.
Is
that
going
to
be
like
match
the
color
of
the
shingles.
G
G
A
You
know
you
know
your
name.
I
just
can't
find
the
sheep
that
has
it
on
it:
wes
davis,
o'cloverdale,
1817,
lockerbie.
J
J
So
that
is
what
we
are
proposing.
I've
approved
the
custom
design
by
a
plus,
fencing
and
they're
incredible
everyone.
That's
worked
on.
My
house
has
been
of
the
top
people
in
the
montgomery
area,
from
david,
linsenby
russell
lackey
doors
by
decora,
southern
shutter,
all
of
them.
My
house
has
appeared
in
several
magazines
to
show
what
a
proper
restoration
of
the
historic
property
should
be.
So
we
are
continuing
in
that
line
with
the
next
security
fence.
E
A
K
K
It's
18
feet
back
from
the
edge
of
the
street
on
pershing,
so
it
does
not
obstruct
the
driveway
mine
and
my
backyard
neighbor.
The
only
two
driveways
that
open
onto
that
street,
and
it
part
of
it
that
coincides
with
the
street,
is
covered
in
vegetation,
there's
significant
vegetation
between
the
fence
and
the
street.
As
you
can
see
here
in
the
middle
of
the
picture,
that's
the
existing
corner
post,
which
will
be
replaced
and
the
fence
basically
runs
directly
back
away
from
that
behind
all
the
shrubbery
between
it
and
the
street.
K
L
C
K
H
Good
evening,
I'm
zach
wilson-
this
is
my
wife
taylor.
Our
property
has
a
pre-existing
white,
brick
fence
that
surrounds
the
property.
It
has
currently
has
three
openings,
so
we're
just
looking
to
close
them
out
with
three
fences
just
for
some
added
privacy
and
for
to
let
our
dog
run
fleet
freely.
Two
of
the
openings.
You
can
see
one
on
the
left
of
the
house,
they're
just
sidewalk
sized,
so
it'll
just
be
a
ornamental
iron
fence,
that'll
be
painted
white
to
match
the
brick
and
then
there's
one
on
the
right
side.
H
If
you
go
to
some
of
the
other
pictures,
there's
some
closer
up
photos
but
it'll
be
two
smaller
fences
and
then
one
bigger
one
where
our
driveway
comes
into
the
backyard.
If
you
scroll
down
yeah,
there
should
be
some
more
photos.
H
F
A
You,
charles
carraway,
cloverdale,
avalon,
3328
lebron,
mr
caraway.
What
are
you
going
to
do
today.
B
K
Yeah
it's
hard
to
see,
but
it
and
I'm
showing
it
with
gaps,
but
that
was
so.
You
could
see
what
was
behind
it
right
now,
there's
like
a
sort
of
a
picket
fence.
It
looks
more
like
a
handrail
and
it's
just
in
front
of
that
first
jut
out
on
the
house,
and
I
want
to
move
it
back
a
couple
feet
and
I
was
thinking
about
just
doing
a
four
foot:
privacy.
K
K
A
K
A
K
K
Also
going
to
be
that
same
height
well,
I
was
going
to
do
the
same
height
as
the
neighbor's
fence.
Okay,
so
it's
a
little
bit
taller
than
my
fence
is
right.
Now:
okay,
don't
if
any
of
those
pictures
show
it
very
good.
I
K
Right
so-
and
I
think
I
put
on
there-
two
different
sizes
and
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
match
the
sizes
that
were
on
the
house,
so
I'd
like
to
do
the
larger
size,
but
then
there's
also
a
smaller
size.
It's
like
windows
that
are
in
the
kitchen
in
the
bathroom,
but
they're
still
six
over
six
they're
just
smaller,
and
this
isn't
to
scale.
K
But
I
tried.
K
K
A
A
F
So,
what's
the
size
of
the
window
in
the
kitchen,
it's
a
lot
smaller.
You
say
it
yeah.
I
may
be
missing
well.
F
Mata
chair,
I
make
a
motion
to
prove
fence
is
submitted
and
the
wonder
with
28
by
48.
M
We
have
a
slate
roof,
that's
failed
and
it's
causing
damage
to
the
the
house.
M
If
you
wouldn't
mind
just
scrolling
down
a
little
bit
there,
I
think
the
there's
the
front
of
the
house
and
if
you
had
been
standing
where
that
picture
was
taken
two
years
ago
you
hadn't
even
been
able
to
see
the
house,
because
when
we
bought
it,
it
was
overgrown
anyway.
The
the
second
picture,
through
about
the
eighth
picture,
shows
the
slate
most
of
this
on
the
back
of
the
house.
M
M
You
know
just
dripping
it
leaks
in
the
walls
and
you
can
hear
it
dripping
it
even
there's
more
water
in
the
crawl
space.
Now
I
don't
know
if
it's
leaking
all
the
way
down
to
the
crawl
space
or
not,
but
there's
leaks
throughout
the
house.
We've
since
we've
had
the
house,
we've
tried
to
have
it
repaired,
it's
difficult
to
to
pinpoint
which
slate
tile
to
repair,
partly
because
inside
of
the
house,
the
the
rafters
have
been
covered
with
sheetrock.
M
So
it's
really
hard
to
tell
we've
spotted
some.
What
we
thought
were
troubled
slate
tiles
had
them
patched
and
it
didn't
fix
the
leak
and
we
had.
We've
talked
to
roofers
about
it,
lots
of
roofers,
and
they
give
you
know.
It's
pretty
high
quotes
just
to
to
fix
one
slate
tile
on
anything
like
140
150,
just
for
one
slate
tile
to
fix
it
and
a
lot
of
times
when
they
fix
one
they
break
another
one.
They
find
another
one.
M
M
It
is
well,
the
house
is
100
years
old.
The
roof
is
probably
it's
different
materials,
so
you
see
the
slate.
I
don't
know
if
the
slate
was
100
years
old.
I
assumed
that
that
lock
would
put
it
in
when
he
built
the
house
100
years
ago.
M
M
And
then
there's
part
of
the
roof,
that's
flat,
there's
part
of
the
roof
that
on
the
back
side
of
really
this,
these
pictures,
if
you
would
just
scroll
back
up
because
those
pictures
are
just
from
the
sides
of
the
house,
the
other
picture
said
the
roof
better.
Keep
on
scrolling.
If
you
wouldn't
mind,
keep
on
scrolling
like
that
spot
right
there
you
can
tell
it
may
even
be
a
different
material
altogether.
We've
had
a
roofer
say
he's
not
even
sure
that
that's
slate
up
there,
it's
thinner,
it
looks
different.
M
So
it's
you
have
slate,
there's
metal,
patches,
there's
a
flat
roof
so
and
so
to
answer
your
question,
I'm
not
sure
between
1920
and
today
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
like
that
greek
shift
where
you
have
to
hold
the
ship
and
then
you
replace
one
piece
and
you
place
the
units
end
up,
isn't
even
the
same
ship
that
it
was,
but
some
of
it
surely
is
original
slate.
M
So
we
we
looked
into
other
options.
We
looked
into
patching,
which
is
really
expensive
and
for
the
number
of
tiles
that
we
need
it's,
it
would
really
cost
more
than
replacing
it
all
with
slate
replacing
the
slate
is,
you
know,
130
000
is
the
number
we
got
from
roofers.
M
Synthetic
slate
is
also
something
we
looked
into,
it's
also
very
very
expensive.
So
our
proposal
is
to
mimic
the
slight
appearance
with
an
architectural
shingle
and
if
you
would
scroll
scroll
down,
I'm
sorry
to
have
you
go
back
and
forth
a
little
bit.
Keep
keep
scrolling
down,
keep
scrolling
down
there.
M
You
go
that's
what
we
want
to
go
with
and
we've
talked
with,
or
our
roof
is
going
to
be
the
guy
at
roof,
where
they're
ready
to
go
and
refit,
and
it's
it's
pressing
and
it's
been
stressful
to
me
it's
present
because
that
right
now
is
probably
leaking
in
the
house.
So
we're
it's
something
that
we
got
the
roof
ready
to
go
our
neighbor.
M
M
M
M
She
says
I'll
send
a
variant
for
for
this
likely
so
we'll
we
haven't
gone
down
that
road
yet,
but
we
will
but
there's
in
the
back
in
this
picture
on
the
back,
you
can
see
that
that's
the
chain
link
fence
and
when
we
moved
in
the
chain-link
fence
was
covered
with
some
some
of
this
bamboo
roll-out
stuff.
M
So
it
was
pretty
nasty
and
we
took
it
down.
So
really
it's
been
the
view
into
this
side
yard.
We
have
this
fire
pit,
that's
been
obscured
up
until
we
took
that
bamboo
down
anyway.
So
it's
just
a
a
short
section
of
fence
that
separates
us
from
from
the
grand
right
there
and
I
don't
think
our
neighbor
objects
to
that
either.
There's
a
site
plan
for
the
fence.
It's
just
that
front
the
front
section.
M
M
That's
a
picture.
Looking
from
the
back
porch
of
the
main
house
toward
the
guest
house
and
there's
a
picture
from
all
sides.
Well
before
we
move
on
on
the
left-hand
side
of
that,
you
can
see
that
the
bricks
mismatched.
M
I
talked
with
christie
anderson
about
this-
that
there
might
be
some
concern
that
that
is
a
like
was
a
garage
or
part
of
a
carriage
house.
When
we
first
bought
this
house,
mr
bargainer
pulled
up
in
the
driveway
and
told
me
the
story
of
the
house.
I
haven't.
M
I
haven't
seen
this
in
another
source,
but
he
said
that
the
legrand,
the
grandson
owned
this
property
back
in
the
night
early
1900s
and
that
they
had
a
house
fire
and
during
this
pretty
colorful
story
you
would
have
told
it
better
than
I'm
going
to
tell
it,
but
they,
the
people
at
the
party,
were
helping
the
family
move
their
furniture
out
of
the
house,
while
the
house
burned,
then
they
hired
mr
lockwood
to
build
a
house
and
he
built
them
this
house
to
live
in
while
the
main
house
was
being
built,
that's
from
from
mr
bargaineer,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
about
1100
square
feet
and
right
where
that
that
cutout
is
for
the
brick
is
right.
M
Where
that
only
bedroom
sits,
I
don't
know
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
wouldn't
think
that
a
that
would
be
a
garage
door
or
a
carriage
part
of
an
old
carriage
house
that
entered
into
the
only
bedroom.
But
I
don't
know
that's
just
this
is
my
my
thoughts
on
it
all
the
way
around
the
building
there
are
you
can
scroll
down?
M
If
you
don't
mind,
that's
from
the
side
view
you'll
see
this
other
mismatched
brick
right
there,
where
some
previous
owner
put
that
window
unit
in
that
third
shot
is
the
back
of
the
house
where
mr
bargainer,
when
he
owned
this
house,
he
moved
the
entry
to
the
back
side
of
the
house.
I
think
for
privacy
of
somebody
who
was
living
there
and
then
there's
one
more
picture.
I
think
nope,
let's,
I
think,
christy
put
that
one
in
there.
M
So
we
would
like
to
paint
it
off
white
there's
also
some
in
addition
to
the
mismatched
brick
that
was
used
to
seal
up
a
hole,
there's
also
some
cracking
in
the
bricks
we'd
just
like
to
cover
that
make
it
look
better.
It
looks
pretty
bad
now.
A
All
right,
I
guess
the
first
issue
we
should
just
discuss
is
the
well.
We
could
discuss
the
privacy
fans.
Does
anybody
have
any
comments
on
the
privacy
fans.
N
M
M
A
All
right
and
let's
talk
about
the.
A
A
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
got
a
price
on
replacing
the
slate
roof
and
it
it
reminds
me
of
what
a
commitment
that
people
who
buy
these
big
houses
take
on,
because
replacing
the
original
pieces
can
be
mighty
expensive
and
we
have
had
some
people
in
the
garden
district
who
you
know,
did
things
like
take
all
their
barrel
tile
off
and
replace
the
underlayment
and
put
all
the
barrel
tile
back
on,
and
I
think
that
makes
me
appreciate
those
people
who
can
afford
to
do
that
and
and
care
enough
about
their
houses
to
do
that.
A
We've
all
seen
other
slate
not
around
down
around
the
corner
from
me.
You
know
go
straight
into
the
dumpster,
I'm
I'm
not
convinced
that
that's
a
good
replacement
for
a
slate
roof
that
architectural
shingle
and
I
wonder
if
there
aren't
other
shingles,
but
you
may
have
looked
extensively-
I
don't
know
but
another
shingle.
That
would
have
a
little
more
definition.
A
That
would
look
more
like
this
is
pathetic
slight,
that
someone
put
on.
A
I
guess
it
was
bankhead,
probably
10
years
ago
now
they
had
it
stacked
out
on
the
parkway.
So
I
got
off
my
bicycle
and
went
and
looked
at
it
and
you
know
it.
It
was
except
for
the
fact
that
it
looked
like
it
was
rubber.
It
was
indistinguishable
from
slade.
It
was
a
really
excellent
product,
but
you
didn't
get
a
price
on
that.
Although
you
said
it
was
expensive.
A
M
You
might
have
to
can
I
respond
to
that
sure
sure.
We
looked
at
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
options
before
coming
here
and
we
talked
to
a
lot
of
reefers.
M
As
I
said,
the
real
slate
is,
unless
somebody
gives
it
to
us
he's
out
of
the
we
just
can't
do
it
and
I
don't
think
it
might
even
be
reckless
for
anybody
to
do
it
for
this
house.
That's
unless
they
just
are
independently
wealthy.
I
mean
I
have.
I
have
four
kids
and
I
have
to
go
on
providing
for
them,
and
I
we
just
can't.
I
can't
do
it
and
same
thing
with
the
synthetic
slate
I
mean
it's
like
you
know.
M
M
That
maybe
cost
is
not
an
issue
here,
but
it's
an
issue
for
me
or
for
us
having
to
do
it.
So
we
explored
the
real
estate
synthetic
synthetic
slate
they're,
both
just
cost
prohibitive
for
us
and
probably
for
any
for
the
market
we
live
in.
There
is
a
we
looked
at
architecture
singles.
We
thought
this
was
the
best
one
out
there
we
talked
with
our
with
the
guy.
At
roofing
company
went
back
and
forth.
M
We
thought
this
was
the
best
one
saw
there,
as
you
probably
know,
they're
all
over
cloverdale,
I
mean
these
kind
of
architectural
scene
groups
are
all
over
the
place.
Even
this
exact
shingle,
I
think
all
the
places
we
look,
there's
one
other
shingle
called
a
designer
shingle
and
it
does
have
a
little
more
definition
than
this
one.
It's
more
expensive.
For
probably
I
don't
know
if
it's
double,
but
it
may
be
150
percent.
You
know
like
half
as
much.
M
That
would
be
an
option
I
maybe
but.
M
M
Right
now
we
have
a
plan
to
do
it,
but
if,
if
I
start
or
if
we
continue
to
replace
tile,
shingle
or
slicing
like
plates,
we
just
we
don't
have
any
money
left
to
replace
the
roof.
We've
we've
learned
it
all
on
on
one
at
a
time
trying
to
patch
it.
So
did
I
answer
your
question
about
the
other
part.
I
think
there
is
that
other
product
designer
single.
M
I
know
there
is
it's
a
little
more
expensive.
It's
a
little
better
definition.
A
A
It's
a
difference
in
in
light
reflectivity.
You
know
the
materials
are
just
not
the
same,
but
it's
not
a
bad
match
for
the
color
and
the
style
of
the
shingle.
I
don't
think,
but
it's
not
a
good
match
as
far
as
the
color
of
the
roof
is
concerned,
and
how
it's
really
going
to
look.
I
I
appreciate
that.
It's
you
know,
you're,
not
saying
I'm
gonna
put
a
three-tab
shingle
on
this.
I
appreciate
that,
but
it's
not
a
good
match
for
the
material,
but
then
nothing
is.
M
B
If
I
may,
just
looking
one
bill,
guyette's
house
is
one
that
got
approved
for
our
artificial
slate
number
four
south
capitol
parkway,
but
one
of
the
ones
on
here
that
you
all
approved
for
a
concrete
tile
roof
was
the
gaf
camelot
architectural
shingle,
which
looks
more
square,
not
not
layered,
but
like
it's
in
rows
of
squares.
A
M
Not
it's
it's
so
many
different
types
and
another
thing
that
makes
it
difficult
is
that
for
some
of
the
the
roof
that
the
slate
is
different
sizes,
I
think
that
they,
if
you
pull
this
light
off
the
front,
it's
a
different
size
in
the
state.
That's
further
up
on
the
house.
A
M
M
I
just
want
this
to
to
be
on
your
mind
when
you're
thinking
about
this
is
how
bad,
not
that
action
of
the
keep
on
going
feel
mom
keep
on
keep
on
keep
on
that
keep
on
going
down
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more
that
keep
on
going
down
a
little
bit
more.
M
F
Mr
bentley,
not
not
to
belabor
the
point.
I
have
some
reservation
as
well
as
miss
brown
and
she's
she's
done
a
good
job
of
articulating
that
the
disadvantage
you
have,
I
I
we
can
dear.
We
can
definitely
see
that
the
roof
needs
some
attention.
The
disadvantage
you
have
is
there's
only
what
six
members
here
tonight
so
you've
got
to
get
five
members,
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
I
have
some
reservation
as
well.
M
Okay,
well,
if
I
hate
to
hear
that
I
mean
I
hope,
reservations
doesn't
mean
that
you're
you're
set
just
if
I
don't
want
to
come
back
in
a
month,
because
we
got
I
mean
wsfa,
saying
storms
are
coming
later
this
week
and
every
storm
there.
I
mean
next
time
I
come
in.
If
I
have
to
come
in,
it
may
be
bringing
pieces
of
slate
something
we
got
a
wheelbarrow
for
the
slate
singles
that
have
blown
off
in
storms.
So
I
don't
know
what
else
what
else
to
do
we're?
M
Just,
I
think
we're
talking
out
in
the
lobby.
It's
just
a
conundrum
on
how
to
handle
it,
and
if
you
don't
approve
it,
it's
just
gonna
water's
gonna
keep
getting
inside
the
house
just
it's
going
to,
and
even
if
I.
F
M
M
M
I
H
What
other
options
did
you
look
at
in
shingles?
So
I
don't
think
any
of
us
have
an
issue,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
group,
but
I
don't
think
any
of
us
have
an
issue
with
replacing
your
roof.
It's
just
make
sure
we
find
the
right
shingle
that
matches
the
slate
as
close
as
possible
without
we
can't
consider
cost,
but
we.
H
M
We
looked
at
the
the
gaf.
Is
that
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
a
gaf
that
that
product
they
have
several
products
and
several
different
ones,
and
that
we
originally
when
I
sent
the
our
request
over
that's
what
we
had
were.
M
H
D
C
D
M
Christie
asked
me
to
bring
this
in
when
you
look
at
it.
This
close
it's
one
thing
but
seeing
the
pictures
on
I
mean
it
looks
the
pictures
of
this
same
product
on
the
roof
look
nice,
but
I
would-
and
we
we
also
looked
at
some
of
the
with
designer
shingles,
which
are
more
expensive
to
step
up
from
this
they're,
just
a
little
more
raised
or
have
an
extra
dimension
to
them.
D
A
M
D
A
Know
that's
what
stands
out
like
a
band-aid
on
the
side
of
this?
The
bricks
are
not
all
that
bad
a
match
if
the
mortar
had
matched,
but
the
mortar
is,
is
one
that
one's
brand
new
and
the
other
one
is
has
a
lot
of
age
on
it.
It
just
shows
up
terribly
I'll
agree
with.
M
That
it's
just
a
it's
an
eyesore
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
look
good,
we
thought
painting
would
be
the
best
solution,
but
if
there's,
if
there's
something
else,.
A
Painting
painting
is
brick
is
always
never.
I
mean
you're.
Turning
a
look,
a
no
in
maintenance
material
into
a
high
maintenance
material
when
you
do
that,
but
the
the
white
color
wouldn't
be
especially
appropriate
either
the
the
tudor
things
depend
on
the
the
juxtaposition
of
the
different
materials
and
colors.
I
You
just
mentioned:
okay,
you
did
you
state
that
there
was
issues
in
cracking
and
stuff
in
the
brick
he
did
say.
I
A
M
A
M
In
my,
our
chief
concern
is
keeping
water
from
inside
our
house,
so,
okay,
this
house
project
and
the
fence
project.
M
We
would
like
them,
I'm
open
to
any
talking
more
about
this
house
or
talking
with
christie
or
any
of
you
guys
about
what
to
do.
But
if,
as
I
mentioned,
mr
campbell,
if
before
we
go
away
with
a
4-2
vote,
but
it's
a
no
vote
on
this,
if
there's
something
else
that
can
put
out
there
like
a
designer
shingle,
that
would
change
someone's
mind
to
a
yes
vote.
At
least
it
would
give
us
an
option
for
the
next
30
days
to
do
something.
B
It
it
is,
and
I
couldn't
tell
you
know-
I
have
found
good,
looking
shingles
that
look
like
they
matched
before
only
to
find
out
the
manufacturer
discontinued
them.
I
mean
we
ran
into
that
with
some
diamond
shingles
that
there
used
to
be
an
asphalt
shingle,
that
a
manufacturer
produced
that
mimic
those
asbestos
slate
diamond
tiles,
and
you
can't
get
those.
So,
as
are
you
finding
slate
line,
is
it
available?
B
A
E
This
slate
roof's
been
on
that
house
for
over
a
hundred
years,
and
it
has
been
failing
for
probably
50
or
60
of
those
years.
So
when
they
bought
the
house,
they
had
to
have
known
that
the
roof
was
going
to
have
to
be
replaced
and
if
they
didn't,
they
should
have-
and
I
don't
know,
who's
who
sold
you
your
house,
but
I
hope
that
they
had
told
you
that
it
was
in
our
you
know.
E
E
However,
you
know
a
synthetic
slate
or
I
just
now,
googled
the
slate
line,
roof,
which
does
look
better
than
I
think
is
what's
being
proposed,
but
I
understand
it's
raining
and
it's,
but
I
mean
they've
had
this
house
for
almost
two
years
and
they
had
to
have
known
the
roof
would
have
to
be
replaced.
E
We
are
not
in
favor
of
what
has
been
proposed
for
the
house
in
the
back.
It
is
patched,
and
you
can
certainly
see
that
there's,
probably
not
a
brick
house
in
old
cloverdale-
that's
not
patched
and
doesn't
have
the
cracks
in
it.
You
can
come
see
it
at
my
house.
I
don't
think
painting
it
is,
is
really
appropriate
to
it.
E
I
don't
know
if
there's
other
you
know
things
that
we
could
come
up
with,
and
maybe
that's
not
something
that
has
to
be
voted
on
on
tonight
and
I'll
end
with
the
fence.
E
It
is
gonna
front,
legrand,
place
and
they're
gonna
have
to
get
a
variance,
and
so
it's
very
close
to
the
road.
M
Can
I
come
into
that
for
yeah,
one
we're
pretty
optimistic
people,
but
we
were
aware
that
it
had
a
slight
roof
and-
and
so
we
know-
I
mean
you-
never
quite
know
what
you're
gonna
get
in
you
know
get
into
to
there
trying
to
fix
it.
M
It
was
overgrown
if,
if
somebody
optimistic
like
us
didn't
buy,
I
don't
know
who
I
don't
know
who
other
who
else
is
going
to
buy
it.
So
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
if
we
didn't
buy
that
house
it
might
be
condemned.
We
might.
I
would
say
that
we've
saved
this
ice,
I
mean
we.
When
we
got
to
this
house,
it
was
overgrown.
There
were
limbs
growing
into
the
house.
Vines
come
up
the
side
of
the
house.
There
was
they
reclosed,
it
was
a
swarm
of
termites
flying
around
the
house.
On
the
day
we
closed.
M
There
was
a
huge
hole.
There's
holes
all
through
the
house.
Every
piece
of
woodwork
in
my
house
needed
to
be
painted
the
windows
in
the
back
were
boarded
up.
So
if
we
don't
buy
that
house
in
2019,
it
may
not
even
survive
until
now
I
mean
it
may
be
condemned.
I
I
just
saw
where
the
the
city
council
has
an
amendment
to
the
this
section
code
that
talks
about
basically
condemnation
by.
I
forget
the
term.
It's
demolition
demolition
by
neglect.
M
E
And
he
really
doesn't
know
that
in
june
of
2019
somebody
could
have
come
along
and
bought
it
and
put
a
new
slate
roof
on
it.
You
can't
go
with
what
could
happen.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
is
not
a
good
fit
for
that
house.
We
understand
you
can't
do
slate.
We
understand
you
can't
afford
to
do
the
artificial
slate,
but
I
think
there's
something
better
than
that.
The
slate
line
looks
better
than
that.
M
B
It
may
be
worth
you
know,
doing
some
pricing
out,
as
I
mentioned
to
you.
The
board
does
not
know
this.
B
Yet
the
city
council
did
pass
amendments
to
our
historic
code
to
bring
us
in
line
with
state
law
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
adopted,
as
part
of
that
is
an
economic
hardship
provision
which
would
allow
you
all
to
look
at
costs,
but
only
after
a
petition
was
denied,
but
I
think
they're
saying
that
they're
not
against
replacing
the
roof,
and
I
think
it
looks
like
there
may
be
a
better
asphalt
product
out
there.
That's
a
better
match
to
the
slate
than
than
the
architectural
tab.
I
think
that's
the
that's
the
question.
F
A
Slate
line,
let
me
let
me
make
some
suggestions
here.
Okay,
all
right,
the
privacy
fence
is
easy.
I
think
everybody
agrees
that
you
need
a
privacy
fence.
I
think
the
suggestion
that
it
be
stained
or
painted
so
that
it
doesn't.
You
know
whether
so
that
it
doesn't
look
like
a
stockade
on
the
frontier
would
be
a
better
idea
and
no
higher
than
the
current
fence.
I
think
that's
that's
perfectly
acceptable.
A
A
If
you
don't
paint
it,
so
that's
not
critical,
but
you
might
explore
using
a
masonry
stain
to
bring
those
patches
into
a
better
match
with
the
the
rest
of
the
thing
I
I
not
wasn't
kidding
when
I
said
you
know,
let's
build
a
trellis
and
put
something
on
there
and
cover
up
that
big
one,
but
that
does
not
solve
the
problem
with
the
little
one
around
on
the
really
the
front
of
the
house,
the
part
you
drive
up
to,
but
a
masonry
stain
or
painting
in
a
brick
color,
and
you
could
probably
just
paint
or
stain
that
end
of
the
house.
A
A
I
think
everybody
agrees
that
you
need
to
do
something
about
your
roof
and
we
all
want
to
be
able
to
do
something
about
the
roof,
and
we
would
all
prefer
that
you
have
a
slight
shingle,
but
but
you
can't
afford
that
and
if
I
were
in
your
shoes,
I'd
be
saying
the
same
thing.
I
can't
afford
this.
I'm
not
convinced
that
that's
the
best.
A
B
A
B
B
So
I
think
you
know
looking
at
some
of
those
other
asphalt
options
that
if
you
can
get
a
sample
we'll
we
can
we'll
run
it
through
somehow.
So
so
it's
not
the
next
meeting.
B
Okay,
but
to
see
see
if
we
can
get
a
sample
of
something
that
looks
like
a
little
better
fit
to
what's
there
without
having
to
go
the
artificial
slate
route.
M
M
B
B
C
M
I
don't
know
that
the
per
square
footage
I
mean
you
know
the
per
square
footage.
C
The
only
reason
I
asked
was
because,
depending
on
you
know
how
much
it
is
on
the
new
roof
that
we're
suggesting
you
look
at
or
whatever
I
don't
know,
how
much
that
one
is
in
comparison
to
what
you've
already
the
information
that
you
already
have
received.
Regarding
the
you
know
that
group,
that
particular
rule,
so
if
it's
too
much
still,
you
know
where
are
we
if,
even
if
that
product
looks
better
and
fits
better,
but
it
still
is
not
economically
feasible,
for
you
is
my
question.
M
M
C
I
don't
want
any
number
one
anybody
to
get
hurt
waiting
on
us
on
something
and
I
don't
want
anything
to
fail
and
then
something
has
to
be
ripped
out
and
redone
and
that's
more
cost.
You
know
like
this
is
a
circle
and
every
little
piece
is
contingent
on
every
other
little
piece.
So
I'm
you
know
that
is
concerning
to
me.
D
I
forget
I'm
wearing
them
so
often
it's
even
on
we've
priced
the
slate
line
and
it's
almost
twice
the
cost
of
the
designer
architectural
shingle.
Okay,
and
it
may
be
something
we
can
do.
We
just
wouldn't
be
able
to
also
roof
the
guest
house.
You
know
we'd
have
to
wait
on
that.
A
Well,
the
guest
house
has
got
a,
I
mean
it's
got
a.
It
has
like
a
like
a.
A
All
right,
all
right,
I
took
notes.
I
took
notes
the
the
board
can
approve
the
the
privacy
fence
stained
or
painted
and
at
a
height
not
to
exceed.
What's
there
now
the
cottage
should
not
be
painted.
We
would
consider
proposals
to
use
a
masonry
stain
to
more
regularize
the
color
or
a
paint
color.
That's
the
color
of
the
that
is
a
color
of
the
the
brick
now,
but
it's
going
to
look.
You
know,
that's
not
part
of
my
motion.
A
F
That's
my
motion.
We
need
a
second.
B
You
for
not
approving
the
painting
of
the
cottage.
That's
denying
that
request.
You
need
to
give
a
reason
for
why.
A
All
right,
painting
of
an
original
surface,
brick
is
not
generally
approved
and
painting
it
white
would
change
the
architectural
character
of
the
building,
which
is
now
a
dark
red
color
and
would
become
white.
It
would
be
too
too
big
a
change
in
the
landscape
and
no
longer
be
consistent
with
the
original
house,
which
it
now
matches.
F
A
What's
the
best
thing
to
do,
christy
there
table
table
the
part
about.
B
D
A
All
right,
then,
approval
of
the
fence,
as
I
said,
painted
or
stained,
and
no
higher
than
the
original
one
and
approval
of
the
replacement
of
the
roof
contingent
upon
finding
an
acceptable,
shingle
replacement
and
and
all
right.
And
we,
we
deny
the
painting
of
the
cottage
white.
A
C
I
Want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
you
guys
by
like
purchasing
this
house
and
putting
the
time
and
effort
into
it.
I
know
that
it's
not
easy,
renovating
houses
and
bringing
them
back
up
so,
and
I
think
we
all
on
this
board
agree
with.
I
mean
I
think
they
would
all
agree
with
me
on
that.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that
and
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
home
from.
A
And
christy
you're
going
to
you're
going
to
get
the
shingles
to
christy
and
we'll
have
some
kind
of
talk
about
it
and
reaffirm
at
the
next
meeting
this
election
right.
B
And
I
would
would
add
that
just
for
clarification,
if
we,
if,
if
the
economic
hardship
provision
kicks
in
that,
does
not
that
is
not
the
ability
of
the
owner
to
pay
for
a
project
that.
D
B
D
B
O
O
Hello,
I'm
olivia,
martin,
I've
lived
at
646
cloverdale
road
for
over
30
years,
and
our
roof
is
also
failing
it's
over
100
years
old.
It
needs
to
be
replaced
and
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that,
and
I
have
hilda
dent
and
bob
henderson
who've
been
working
on
that
for
me
and
as
we
begin
to,
we
have
a
green
tile
roof.
So
as
we
begin
to
take
the
tiles
off
we're
taking
them
off
individually,
they've
been
cemented
to
the
roof,
we're
sanding
them
and
then
we're
replacing
them.
O
And
probably
I
don't
know
how
long
they
think
it'll
take.
But
in
my
estimate,
it'll
just
take
over
two
years
to
complete
this
project.
So
we
are,
you
can't
work
on
them
when
it's
too
hot
or
too
cold.
So
we've
been
doing
that
and
we
have
this.
We
have
a
problem
with
the
flat
roof.
The
flat.
O
O
And
so
that
roof
has
failed
over
five
times
we've
had
it
replaced
we've
had
it
repairs.
We
also
have
the
bubble
in
the
sun's
room
that
that
mr
bentley
mentioned.
We
have
had
substantial
water
damage
in
two
rooms.
We've
had
water
damage
in
seven
rooms
that
have
to
be
replaced.
We,
the
ceiling
that
marilyn
heard
painted,
is
flaking
off.
O
We
get
all
that
water
and
there's
a
hill
in
the
backyard,
so
we
propose
to
have
it
drain
into
the
pavement
to
go
down
and
so
that
and
then
we
are
also
asking
for
a
privacy
fence
that
we
think
meets
the
requirements.
Does
not
require
variance
it'll,
be
two
different
heights,
the
legal
height
to
the
edge
of
the
house
and
then
a
smaller
one
down
to
the
fence,
and
that
would
be
stained
dark,
green
and
I
have
would
you
like
to
could
bob?
N
A
N
N
And
so
we're
we're
asking
to
be
allowed
to
keep
the
structure
that
we
built
and
what
we're
proposing
is
to
cover
the
sides
in
a
metal
overlapping
metal
sheet.
A
Any
comments
from
the
board
questions.
I
will
say
that
christy
and
I
made
a
site
visit
to
this
property
and
talked
to
the
people
about
this
and
looked
at
it
in
the
flesh.
Did.
A
A
Top
lot
of
houses
of
this
vintage
ended
up
with
flat
places,
and
I
bet
half
of
them
have
ended
up
with
a
little
tent
on
the
top
of
the
house,
just
like
you've
built,
and
it
really,
I
can
think
of
two
or
three
houses
in
auburn
now
now
not
extant
any
longer
that
had
this.
As
you
know,
this
kind
of
thing
as
an
original
feature
that
little
popped
up
place
on
the
very
tippy
top
of
the
roof.
A
I
can't
imagine
what
it's
costing
you
and
how
much
time
you
didn't
tell
me
how
much
time
it's
taking
to
take
those
off
and
clean
them
and
put
them
back
down
this.
This
blue,
green
tile
roof
is
the
second
most
expensive
tile.
That
luducci
saw
that
ever
made,
so
you're
really
lucky
to
have
it,
and
it's
a
beautiful
thing
to
see.
Only
only
the
roof
on
saint
jude's
church
is
was
more
expensive
than
this
one.
Originally.
J
J
J
J
D
J
Very
much
of
an
impact
on
what's
being
proposed,
especially
the
fence
that
would
be
up
against
my
beautiful
custom-made
iron
fence
and
she's,
proposing
to
take
the
fence
to
the
property
all
the
way
to
the
street
on
lockerbie,
which
is
my
front,
not
the
back
side
of
dr
whitley's
house,
which
is
why
there
is
a
fence
to
lockerby,
because
that
is
his
backyard,
not
his
front
yard.
This
is
my
front
yard,
of
which
she's
trying
to
put
a
three
foot
picket
fence
down
to
the
street
level.
C
E
Darby
foster
representing
the
old
cloverdale
association.
Yes,.
D
E
Talking
about
the
roof,
the
part
that
you
can
see
the
box-
you
know
that's
on
cloverdale
road.
So
that's
where
you
know
that
is
a
very
trafficked
road.
So
that's
where
most
people
will
see
that
I'm
not-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
another
architectural
solution
if
it
could
be
lowered
or
whatever,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
metal
on
the
side
is
going
to
make
it
disappear.
E
I
don't
know
if
it
could
be
lower,
so
you
know
it
can't
be
seen
from
the
street.
I
don't
know
enough
about.
You
know
architectural
things
to
I
mean
architect
and
how
to
do
that.
I
do
know
that
there
is
a
house
on
cloverdale
that
had
the
flat
roof
and
they
put
in
a
raising
copper
roof
that
you
cannot
see
from
any
side
of
the
house.
I
mean
you
can
see
it
from
a
satellite
view,
but
that's
it
and
I
don't
know
if
that
could
be
a
solution
to
that.
E
In
regards
to
defense,
the
majority
of
people
who,
who
put
in
a
fence
are
putting
it
in
to
secure
their
property
or,
to
you
know
close
out
a
backyard
so
that
you
can,
you
know
kids
or
dogs
are
in
it,
and
this
would
be
a
fence
that
goes
all
the
way
down
the
property
line
and
will
be
very
much
be
visible
from
croverdale
road.
E
I
don't
think
a
picket
fence
is
really
in
the
style
of
a
mediterranean
italianate
house,
and
I
don't
think
that
a
wall
of
wood
coming
down
the
side
going
all
the
way
to
the
front
of
the
house
is
appropriate
either
for
a
privacy
fence.
The
majority
of
privacy
fences
end
at
the
back
of
the
house
and
go
back
to
enclose
the
backyard.
E
So
I'm
really
not
sure
the
what
the
use
of
the
fence
is
going
to
be
because
it's
not
enclosing
the
backyard.
It's
not
enclosing
a
side
yard,
it's
just
a
fence
down
the
property
line,
and
maybe-
but
you
know
you
could
do
do
this
shield-
it
the
same
way
with
plantings,
plants
or
trees
or
shrubs.
E
That
would
wind
the
property
line
more
than
a
fence.
B
There
was
a
house
on
ridge
that
came
up
in
the
last
year
and
a
half,
or
so
it
had
a
vacant
house
next
door
and
they
wanted
to
bring
the
privacy
fence
up
to
the
front
of
the
house.
B
D
B
A
I
A
A
A
N
B
N
N
Well,
whatever
it
takes,
but
was
there
a
permit
taken
on
this
project.
N
O
I
don't
know
whether
you
notice,
but
I
don't
have
much
of
a
backyard.
No,
it's
the
really
short
part
so
to
bring
a
fence
to
the
corner
of
the
back
of
my
house
would
not
provide
any
real
fencing
at
all.
We
you
know,
and
lockerbie
is
also
the
front
of
my
house.
That
was
something
I
learned
during
this
process,
but
we
really
need
the
fence
to
come
out
to
the
corner
of
the
house.
Otherwise
it
won't
even
be
it
just
won't
be
any
point
in
it.
It
wouldn't
even
cover
up
my
driveway
or
anything.
O
H
N
O
L
L
I
was
absolutely
shocked
because
for
months
they
have
been
working
on
the
green
tile
roof
on
and
off,
and
I
was
so
happy
that
they
were
preserving
those
this
this
house,
that's
a
diagonal
house
on
the
corner,
is
one
of
the
most
distinctive
in
and
cloverdale
one
of
the
most
wonderful
houses
there
they're,
not
that
many
mediterranean
houses,
half.
D
L
L
L
I
I
think
there.
This
is
a
win-win
situation.
The
the
last
situation
was
I
I
can't
imagine
how
that
can
be
dissolved,
but
this
is
if,
if
it's
been
leaking
for
30
years,
destroying
your
house
and
you
have
re-
you
said
you
rebuilt
it
and
patched
it.
But
I
I
would
like
to
to
suggest
this
because
we
had
a
flat
roof
on
our
the
house
across
the
street.
L
It's
a
tudor
and
it
was
covered
with
a
membrane
and
it
puddled
and
we
were
afraid
eventually
that
is
going
to
fail,
and
so,
let's
you
know,
go
ahead
before
something
horrible
happens.
So
we
had
the
membrane
and
the
deck
removed.
L
We
had
a
slight
pitch
put
on
that
roof
enough
to
drain
water
and
covered
it
with
seamed,
copper.
It
works
perfectly
and
it
is,
as
miss
forester
said,
it
is
invisible
for
any
place
on
the
ground.
So
I
looked
at
this
from
google
and
you
said
you
thought
it
might
be
10
feet
by
10
feet
the
flat
heart
or
say
it's
15
by
15.,
but
it
looks
like
from
the
the
google
aerial
view
that
there
are
at
least
two,
perhaps
three
pitched
roofs
that
go
away
from
it
now.
A
O
May
I
answer
certainly,
of
course
I
want
to
clarify.
My
house
has
not
been
leaking
for
30
years.
I'm
just
saying:
over
30
years
I've
lived
there.
There
have
been
problems
with
the
flat
roof
at
various
different
times.
You
know,
but
we
tried
to
maintain
the
hatch,
because
we
have
a
drainage
system
that
comes
out
underneath
the
tiles
you
have
to
keep
the
drainage
clean
or
else
water
puddles.
Even
more
so
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
the
roof,
to
be
able
to
maintain
the
drains.
O
O
My
son
has
been
up
there,
but
it's
been
many
years
since
I've
been
on
top
of
the
roof,
but
we
did
think
it
was
essential
to
keep
the
hatch
because,
for
example,
some
of
the
houses
have
flat
roofs
don't
have
tile,
so
their
drainage
system
is
different,
so
they
don't
have
to
drain
in
the
same
way
that
my
roof
has
to
drain,
and
so
we're
trying
to
maintain
the
drainage
and
have
access
to
it
and
to
keep
the
hatch
and-
and
this
was
not
planned
as
original
part
of
the
roof
restoration.
L
Well,
I
I
still
think
there
is
a
win-win
situation,
because
the
hatch
needs
to
be
there
to
access
that
roof,
because
you
can't
crawl
across
those
tiles
or
slate
piles
right.
My
house
is
slate,
so
you've
got
you
need
access
to
that,
but
by
having
a
hatch
under
that
superstructure,
perhaps
is
raising
the
superstructure
higher
than
it
has
to
be.
If,
if
that
roof
has
even
failed
over
the
last
30
years
still
for
70
years,
it
worked.
L
So
why
not
completely
rebuild
the
the
flat
roof
but
put
a
pitch
on
it,
going
toward
appropriate
drainage
on
the
adjoining
pitch
pitch
roofs,
it
seems
like
to
me
that
that
would
be
a
solution
that
we
would
have
a
win-win
situation
and
that
historic
preservation,
the
beauty
of
the
house,
would
be
maintained,
and
the
house
wouldn't
leave
when
one
other
thing
about
the
fence
going
to
the
street
that
there
is
a
berm
there.
L
The
berm
is
right
on
the
property
line
and
there
were
a
row
of
magnolias
there
that
were
not
thriving,
and
so
they
were
trimmed
back
to
several
feet
of
the
ground
and
they're
starting
to
green
out
now,
a
green
screen
would
be
an
unquestionable
say,
this
is
the
property
line
and
it
would
also
provide
end-time
privacy
for
for
both
property
arms.
O
A
O
A
O
F
Madam
chair,
yes,
question
for
you
and
miss
morgan
and
ms
anderson
y'all
have
seen
it
I
haven't.
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
help
conceal?
I
guess
the
portion
of
the
box
that's
in
concern,
or
it
sounds
like
it's
not
as
it
wasn't
as
bad,
as
is
what
it
could
be
and
since
y'all
have
seen
it
just
want
to
get
your
thoughts
and
comments
on
that.
A
Well,
obviously,
it
bothers
mr
benton
and
the
other
next
door
neighbor.
I
could
have
looked
back
at
my
schedule
so
that
I.
I
Could
I
personally
cedric
did
not
notice
it?
Okay,
okay,
and
I
think
that
the
solution
that
they're
I
mean
that's
proposed,
I
think,
is
probably
a
good
solution,
just
think.
Looking
at
it.
Okay,
that's
just
my
personal
opinion.
I.
A
Would
have
considered
if,
if
you
had
asked
me
before
you
started,
I
would
have
suggested
a
lower
slope
and
to
use
a
modified
bitumen
roll
roofing,
which
is
a
30-year
product
and
you
could
have
had
a
lower
slope
and
this
would
have
this
would
be
less
visible.
N
If
I
may
yes,
one
reason
that
it
is
so
visible
at
this
point
is
because
it's
bare
wood,
yes,
and
that
contrasts
with
the
dark
roof.
Yes
in
the
sky.
So
when
that
is
darkened
to
blend
with
the
roof,
and
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
visible
or
it
will
be
visible,
but
it
won't
be
noticeable.
A
I
think
the
metal
is
a
good
idea,
just
because
that's
hard
to
paint
it
would
be
better
if
it
was
something
that
was,
you
know,
a
tone,
the
color
of
the
roof,
but
the
darker
color
is
going
to
be
less
noticeable
than
a
lighter
color
and
peeling
paint
is
going
to
be
way
more
noticeable
than
than
metal.
That's
not.
D
D
D
So
you
know
maybe
this
was
a
bit
of
an
oops
trying
to
solve
a
problem.
While
we
had
the
45-foot
four-wheel
drive
articulating
boom,
lift
in
hand.
I
did
look
at
it
from
up
above.
D
I
did
not
go
up
on
the
roof,
but
I
did
go
up
with
the
harness
and
looked
at
it
if
y'all
want
it
reconfigured
slightly.
It's
kind
of.
D
I
Okay,
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
we
approve
the
roof
structure
as
proposed
under
the
condition
that,
if
there
was
any
water
issues
related
that
the
structure
would
need
to
be
brought
back
to
the
board
okay
and
that
it
needs
upon
the
approval.
Also
that
you
need
to
clad
and
follow
what
we've
already
talked
about
glad
they'll.
Have
they
already
ready,
cladded
the
exposed
wall
with
hat
clad
the
panels?
Yes,
okay,
and
I
also
moved
to
approve
the
fence.
A
O
At
that
point,
I
might
want
to
withdraw
the
fence
because
it,
my
side
yard,
is
really
my
backyard.
You
know
it
is
not
my
my
backyard
is
a
hill.
You
know
coming
down,
and
so
my
side
yard
is
the
it's
my
backyard.
It's
where
people
grill
out
it's
where
you
put
your
cars,
it's
where
you
know
it's
where
you
do
your
work
and
so
rather
than
have.
If,
if
you
weren't
going
to
approve
the
fence,
then
I
would
just
like
to
withdraw
the
fence.
A
B
I
know
that
no,
that
that
is
not
returning
across
the
front
yard.
I
think
that's
where
they
dashed
out,
where
I
told
them
the
farthest.
They
could
hope
to
is
the
front
corner
not
including
the
porch,
with
the
height
of
that
privacy
fence.
So
there
is
no
return.
It
is
only
on
that
side,
property
line.
B
A
O
A
N
F
F
N
N
F
F
F
A
B
F
B
In
the
yard,
if
it
was
pulled
back
that
far
versus
the
very
back
corner,
which
is,
I
don't
think
what
we're
talking
about.
F
I
Okay,
so
in
that
case,
do
I
have
to
restate
the
motion?
Yes,
okay,
so
I
call
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
roof
structure,
with
the
condition
that,
if
there
was
a
water
issue
is
unsuccessful
with
the
roof,
then
you
need
to
come
back
to
the
board
and
that
we
table
the
fence.
Yes,
until.
A
I
would
like
to
amend
your
motion
slightly
and
say
that
we
would
like
to
see
the
color
a
piece
of
the
roof
panel
up
there
and
approve
how
it
looks
before
we
go
any
further,
rather
than
get
it
all
up
there
and
everybody,
you
know
still
be
unhappy
about
it,
so
selection
of
the
color
needs
to
be
done,
and-
and
we
need
to
see
some
pictures
of
that-
okay,
because
it
might
look
different
to
you
too,
once
you
get
it
up
there.
H
So
I'm
going
to
say
this:
I
think
you
would
be
happier
with
a
very
low
slope
roof.
That's
like
a
quarter
inch
and
12
inches,
so
the
whole
roof
would
stick
up
six
to
12
inches,
but
I
just
I
can't
I
can't
determine
how
far
in
you
are
and
that's
not.
We
can't
even
consider
the
cost
of
the
structure
or
how
far
you've
gone.
H
A
D
H
F
O
H
Again,
I
just
don't
know
how
far
into
it
you
are.
All
I
can
see
is
the
pictures
from
the
ground
level,
and
I
just
don't
matter.
O
H
O
O
O
We
you
know
would
appreciate
you
approving
it
because
we're
trying
to
do
this.
I
mean
I'm
focused
on
the
roof
as
a
whole
and
not
just
the
little.
A
H
H
And
where
I
I'm
gonna
say
this,
where
I
think
you
got
in
trouble,
is
you're
trying
to
use
the
wrong
material
you're,
trying
to
use
asphalt,
shingle
that
has
to
have
a
3
and
12
slope
to
get
the
water
off.
So
it
doesn't
run
back
underneath
and
I
think
that's
the
the
issue
so
when
you're
working
we're
faced
with
the
problem
that
was
their
only
solution
was
at
least
a
three
and
twelve
slope.
A
O
So
you
go
to
the
upstairs
and
go
to
the
sleeping
porch.
Take
a
ladder
up
into
the
attic,
go
all
the
way
to
the
other
end
of
the
house
and
go
up
on
a
ladder.
O
A
I
would
say
that
you
need
a
roof,
wizard
a
roof
wizard
we
do
or
an
architect
with
a
lot
of
experience
with
roofs
or
an
engineer,
with
a
lot
of
experience
with
roofs
to
look
at
this
and
come
up
with
a
solution
that
has
a
lower
profile
from
the
ground
and
a
metal
roof
would
be.
I
So
can
we
table
this
christy
with
and
we'll
go
look
at
this
okay,
so.