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A
Richard
Bayly
and
I
have
the
distinct
honor
of
serving
as
the
chairperson
of
this
Commission,
and
while
we
introducing
ourselves
I'd
like
to
just
ask
on
my
left,
miss
Paula
Wade,
who
works
with
us
so
diligently
once
a
month
and
mrs.
Christie
Anderson
to
my
right,
who
diligently
helped
us
in
every
way
possible
to
our
other
commissioners.
Here
you
have
a
copy
of
the
minutes
of
our
previous
meeting.
The
chair
will
now
entertain
a
motion
for
the
adoption
of
those
minutes.
A
We
have
another,
commissioner,
who
has
just
arrived,
and
we
would
like,
for
him
he's
singing
to
my
left
to
introduce
himself
attorney
Brian
man,
okay
and
for
all
of
our
guests
before
we
go
in
and
further,
we
just
like
to
ensure
that
everyone
speaks
directly
into
the
microphone
to
enhance
and
to
make
certain
that
we
hear
every
word
and
that
the
recording
is
clear.
And
now
we
will
get
back
to
the
adoption
of
the
minutes
of
the
May
meeting.
C
C
A
A
A
E
D
E
Think
what
we
had
talked
about
was
that
the
next
we
would
do
it
every
six
months,
so
the
application
deadlines
will
be
March,
the
first
and
so
September.
The
first
will
be
the
next
one
that
we're
looking
at
for
the
awards
to
be
awarded
in
December
right.
That
was
the
plan,
so
I
think
that's
that
will
be
our
marketing
for
the
next
two
months
is
to
get
this
out
into
the
neighborhoods
and
the
feedback
from
what
they
have
to
say.
How
many
applications
do
you
have
right
now
that
are
actually
ready
to
go?
I
have.
D
Told
people
that
we
did
not
have
a
program
so
I've
not
accepted
any,
so
you
don't
have
anything.
Okay,
no,
but
I've
got
a
call.
Last
week,
asking
notice
was
it
last
week
within
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
someone
willing
to
replace
a
sign,
which
is
what
prompted
me
to
this
is
a
revamp
of
a
brochure
we
had
about
the
signs
about
adding
the.
How
do
I
apply
for
a
sign
with
the
note
that
replacement
signs
will
also
be
subject
to
review
and
not
just
hand
it
out,
because
that's
probably
what
we're.
D
E
D
E
D
D
E
Look
because
it's
gonna
have,
it
does
come
with
a
lot
of
supposedly
a
lot
of
color
properties.
Uv
e
VA
UVB
a
lot
of
protection
and
it's
improved
a
lot
now,
since
you
know
the
other
components
or
the
other
sign,
so
a
figure,
these
will
hold
their
color
a
little
bit
better,
but
it's
gonna
fade
nice,
okay,
doctor.
B
B
C
E
E
A
D
D
And
I
don't
know
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could,
if
we
finalized
these,
if
we
could
have
another
building
department
was
able
to
do
some
nice
brochures
by
kind
of
laying
out
what
they
had
and
then
handing
it
off
to
people
who
actually
do
printing
and
graphic
design
to
kind
of
clean
it
up.
The
folks
who
did
our
t-shirts
and
bags
did
their
brochures
and
kind
of
cleaned
up
images
and
colors,
and
our
money
is
rapidly
evaporating
out
of
our
budget.
D
F
A
A
D
Our
office-
that's
that's,
gonna,
be
the
source
of
it.
We
have
made
copies
of
these
and
the
brochure
that
we
have
on
what
it
means
to
live
in
a
historic
district
because,
like
Cloverdale,
will
do
newcomers
bags
and
they'll
include
these
materials
when
they,
if
they're
still
doing
that,
or
they
were
doing
that
where
they
leave.
That
was
part
of
the
Welcome
package
that
they
would
distribute
and
we
provided
those
to
them
and.
E
D
E
D
A
A
D
Want
to
do
you
I
mean
we
talked
about
I,
think
there.
It
said
previously
that,
yes,
you
wanted
to
do
another
Preservation
Leadership
Program.
We
have
put
in
a
budget
request
for
that.
I,
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
get
it
the
first
year
we
did
it
with
minimal
city
money
and
I
got
sponsorships,
so
we
may
have
to
go
that
route
of
seeing
what
shakes
loose
out
of.
D
E
D
Because
that
that
was
only
I
mean
to
do
it.
The
way
we
did
space
was
donated
that
covered
some
of
the
food
costs
for
the
graduation
and
awards
reception.
Everybody
got
a
t-shirt
and
a
bag
and
a
binder
of
materials
are
our
final
outlay,
including
the
reception
and
the
barbecue,
was
about
twenty-five
hundred
dollars
and
when
we
did
it
the
first
time
about
eighteen
hundred
of
that
was
paid
for
through
sponsorships,
and
then
we
had
another.
D
C
C
Money
I
know
us
maybe
difficult
to
do
that
with
all
the
things
that
you're
doing
but
as
I
understand
it
as
well.
Wouldn't
Alabama
historic
Commission
is
an
automatic
grantee
under
that
program,
and
that's
why
they
may
be
opening
up
more
grant
funds
later
on
in
the
year
that
maybe
we
may
be
able
to
tap
into
for
additional
funding
for.
E
They
usually
advertise
or
you
know,
promote
it
as
being
bricks-and-mortar
with
some
stipulations,
and
that's
why
we
had
asked
you
know
for
survey
work
or
for
this
that
in
the
other-
and
they
said
their
response-
was
no
it's
bricks
and
mortar.
But
then,
when
it,
when
the
list
came
out,
there
was
a
lot
of
and
bought
some.
You
know
local
city
and
county
board
training
and
some
stuff
like
that
had
been
funded
too.
So
it's
kind
of
and
it's
a
max
of
twenty
thousand
dollars.
D
And
then
another
piece
of
that
financial
puzzle
is
what
I
was
talking
to
our
guests
in
the
audience
about
is
that
for
years
and
years
and
years
as
far
back
as
1985,
there
have
been
efforts
to
make
Montgomery
a
certified
local
government,
because
the
Alabama
Historical
Commission
has
to
give
10%
of
their
federal
appropriation
to
projects
and
programs
of
certified
local
governments
in
most
years.
They
are
looking
for
someone
to
take
that
because
there's
just
not
a
whole
lot
going
on
and
we
just
can't,
we
can't
get
it
done.
Yeah.
D
D
We
have
some
changes.
We
have
to
make
to
our
code
to
bring
it
into
line
with
the
state
enabling
legislation
and
to
add
some
definition
to
it
to
make
it
make
the
enforcement
side
work
a
little
a
little
better,
and
if
that's
just
it
goes
nowhere,
it
started
back
up
again.
Last
spring
Mayor
strange
stopped
it
in
June
and
said
he
didn't
want
to
do
anything
before
the
election
mayor
Reid's
office
asked
about
it
in
February,
because
someone
wants
to
do
a
possibly
a
tax
credit
project
on
a
building.
D
D
Well,
I
I'm
working
on
a
a
guide
on
windows,
more
for
people
who
were
thinking
they
want
to
replace
their
windows
and
trying
to
discourage
them
from
doing
so.
I
need
some
graphics
to
kind
of
finish
that
up,
but
then
I
left
you
all
a
copy
of
an
article
that
was
an
old
house
journal
that
I
got
yesterday.
D
That
shows
the
chart
about
how
long
it
takes
for
your
new
windows
to
pay
for
themselves
through
efficiency
and
cost
savings,
and
the
warranty
on
a
window
is
about
20
years,
because
you
know
once
that
seal
fails.
You
lose
your
your
insulating
gas
between
those
layers
and,
in
the
best-case
scenario,
you'll
recoup
your
cost
of
replacing
your
windows
in
about
34
years,
which
means
you'll
be
on
your
second
replacement
window
by
then
it's
just
kind
of
an
interesting.
D
D
Who
is
fussing
that
we
weren't
giving
our
residents
options
and
new
woods
not
like
old
wood,
I,
said
I
agree
and
we
just
assumed
that
they
not
replace
their
windows,
that
they
repair
them,
paint
them
and
put
a
storm
window
over
them.
So
I
mean
it
is
called
historic
preservation
for
a
reason,
so
so
I'm
going
down
that
rabbit
hole.
A
D
Spoke
with
a
developer
last
week,
who
was
actually
calling
me
he'd
already
spoken
with
Bob
gamble,
he
was
calling
about
Grove
Court
I'm,
trying
to
put
together
financing
for
Grove
court
apartments
and
apparently
is
in
Bob's
conversation
with
him.
He
mentioned
first
presbyterian
and
he
will
be
in
town,
Thursday
and
I
believe
if
it
hasn't
been
completely
set.
D
D
Example:
project
cost
breakdowns
that
they've
done
and
what
they've
been
able
to
leverage
here
and
there
he
told
me
on
the
phone
that
you
know.
Sometimes
you
just
find
this
building
and
and
you
love
it
and
it
might
make
it
might
take
30
years
to
make
the
numbers
work,
but
you
just
keep
at
it.
So
I
he's
done
tax
credit
projects
before
so
fingers
are
crossed
that
that
he
might
be
able
to
work
some
magic
on
one
or
both
of
those
properties.
C
F
D
F
E
F
F
D
F
B
B
E
F
A
D
Just
in
case
you're
wondering
where
the
language
came
from
the
first,
whereas
is
what
we
had
in
our
preservation
month,
resolution
that
we'd
done
the
last
several
years,
just
basically
saying
what
the
purpose
of
this
body
is.
The
second,
whereas
is
from
chapter
15,
section
3
of
the
city
code
that
specifies
what
the
composition
and
qualifications
of
this
body
are.
The
next
two
where,
as
is
I
added,
obviously
two
to
highlight
that
we
do
not
have
nine
members
in
this
body
right
now
and
that
a
quorum
is
five
and
then
copy.
D
The
next
to
we're
asses
are
how
the
appointment
process
takes
place
and
then
the
way
it's
written.
It's
very
specific
in
the
subsection
saying
how
the
process
works,
because
the
feedback
I
had
gotten
from
the
councilmen
said
that
he
had
submitted
a
name
and
it
wasn't
moving
forward
out
of
the
mayor's
office
and
that
he
thought
the
mayor
wanted
to
make
the
appointment
well.
The
way
it
spelled
out
in
the
code
is
that
the
seats
are
designated
by
districts.
D
D
They
will
see
what
they
need
to
do
and
what
they
can
do
and
hopefully
will
do
so
that
that's
that's
where
that's
I
didn't
the
only
the
only
things
I
made
up
were
the,
whereas
the
Commission
is
currently
comprised
of
five
members
with
four
vacancies
and
a
quorum
is
five
members.
Everything
else
was
pulled
from
from
other
other
places.
Okay,.
A
C
C
A
C
A
A
D
A
C
C
A
Carol
Kane.
Second,
thank
you
all
right.
All
those
in
favor,
let
it
be
known
about
show
of
hands
motion,
carries
thank
you
very
much,
and
we
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
this
was
done
so
well
and
we
didn't
have
very
little
lag
time.
Thank
you.
So
much
is
anything
else
we
need
to
discuss
this
afternoon.
Anything
else
I
want
to.
C
D
Thankfully,
though,
and
this
this
is,
why
I'm
not
sure
how
it's
going
to
shake
out
what
what
may
help
us
is
that
we
had
a
request
this
year
for
$24,000
that
was
granted
to
record
historic
designations
with
the
deeds,
because
initial
conversations
with
the
previous
one
assistant,
probate,
administrator,
well,
I,
don't
know
what
his
position
was
made.
It
sound
like
we
were
going
to
have
to
pay
recording
fees
and
indexing
fees
for
2,500
properties.
So
you
know
my
fuzzy
math
came
up
with
a
number
and
we
got
it.
D
E
C
E
D
It's
not
yet,
but
we're
getting
we're
getting
close
there
were.
There
were
a
number
of
things
that
the
addresses
that
we
had
didn't
match
anything
in
the
county
records.
So
it's
going
back
to
maps
and
looking
for
personal
numbers
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
those
are
and
making
those
corrections
and
finding
those
I
don't.
D
No
I
mean
we
are
attaching
it
to
a
deed,
so
they're,
they're
gonna.
Do
it
by
instrument
number
that
the
things
that
were
designated
in
old,
Cloverdale,
we're
gonna
record
old,
Claire,
ales
designation
ordinance,
will
give
them
a
list
of
addresses
that
have
those
instrument
numbers
they're
gonna,
attach
it
to
that
instrument
number.
So
when
you
do
a
chain
of
title
search,
oh
I,.
F
B
F
F
Who
knows
how
long
this
would
have
gone
on?
We
missed
our
March
April
May
meeting
and
the
mayor
of
Oakland
Dale
made
a
decision
that
we
could
meet
in
the
park,
so
we
will
be
outside
at
our
normal
meeting
time.
The
third
Monday
of
the
month
club
depart
where
we
normally
have
our
Christmas
tree
lighting,
our
liquor
store.
We
were
opposed
to
it's
found
a
way
to
reapply
for
their
license.
A
F
B
Do
have
an
announcement
I,
don't
think
I
brought
it
up
before
so
over.
A
year
ago
now
the
Montgomery
County
archives,
along
with
Ole
Miss,
Mississippi,
State
Delta
State
University,
the
Columbus
Lowndes
Public
Library,
and
the
Natchez
Historical
Foundation
applied
for
342
thousand
dollars
in
grant
funds
from
the
National
Archives
to
digitize
pre,
Civil
War
legal
records
mentioning
and
slay
people
by
name
that
was
fully
funded.
B
The
project
is
called
the
lantern
project.
In
reference
to
when
enslaved
people
were
sold
down
the
river
they,
it
was
literally
called
being
sold
down
the
river
into
darkness,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
you
know
this
will
act
as
a
lantern
and
reveal
these
people
in
the
historical
record.
So
over
the
next
three
years,
we're
gonna
go
through
our
collections
and
start
scanning
and
digitizing,
and
it
will
be
available
online
as
the
lantern
project
in.
B
B
B
Well,
so
what
we've
been
doing
the
past
years
before
we
even
applied
for
this
grant,
is
as
County
archivists
I
would
go
through
our
estate
files
for
an
hour
to
everyday
looking
for
names
of
enslaved
people
and
even
before
we
apply
for
this
grant.
We
located
over
5,000
individuals,
however,
the
1860
census
I,
think
list
Montgomery,
County's
enslaved
population
at
23
or
24
thousand,
so
we've
got
a
ways
to
go,
but
we
have
a
base
to
work
from
already
and
if
you
count
in-kind
contributions,
this
grant
is
over
six
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars.
B
So
we're
really
targeting
enslaved
people,
because
for
those
of
you
they
don't
know,
local
government
records
aren't
unbelievable.
If
you
want
to
know
what
slavery
looks
like
in
your
community
go
down
to
the
courthouse,
because
it's
in
real
property
records
it's
in
the
deed
books,
it's
in
the
mortgages,
it's
in
the
Wills.
It
is
absolutely
endless
how
much
enslaved
information.
E
B
Section
called
the
slave
schedules
and
they
would
record
how
many
enslaved
people
each
person
owned
and
as
well
as
their
age
and
some
other
information
and
would
only
rarely
name
and
slay
people,
particularly
if
they
were
over
a
hundred
over
a
hundred
years
old
but
other
than
that.
The
best
source
of
enslaved
people's
names
are
local
government
records,
particularly
estate
files.