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Long
with
that
being
said,
I'd
like
to
recognize
the
land
use
staff
to
my
right
in
the
audience
left
is
Kristi
Andersen
and
to
my
left
and
the
audience
right,
there's
miss
Adina,
Kramer
and
a
game
we
like
to
thank
them
for
taking
time
out
from
their
after
work
busy
schedules
to
come
to
this
meeting
here
tonight.
With
that
being
said,
I
like
to
open
this
meeting
by
asking
our
members
for
an
approval
of
action
from
the
February
12
2009
teen,
dr.
E
A
C
G
E
E
In
a
neighborhood
you
know,
I
have
a
19-12
bungalow
and
it
contributes
to
the
district.
There's
nothing
super
fantastic
about
it.
It's
it
it
completes.
It
helps
complete
the
streetscape
of
mostly
bungalows
on
my
street
and
it's
old
enough
to
be
considered
a
historic
property.
So
we
would
say
that
my
house
is
contributing
to
the
Capitol
Parkway
historic
district,
an
individually
designated
property
like
the
Dexter
Avenue
King
memorial,
Baptist
Church,
the
Lomax
house,
trying
to
think
of
what
else
we
have
individually.
They
are
stand-alones,
so
we
just
refer
to
those
as
properties.
E
They
don't
that
they
are
inherently
contributing
because
they
are
individually
designated,
which
means
that
they
met
a
certain
standard
on
their
own.
The
bell
building
is
an
individually
designated
building,
so
all
of
those
stand
on
their
own
merits.
Where,
for
most
of
our
neighborhoods
a
house
either
contributes
to
that
historic
character
because
it
it's
old
enough
and
it
maintains
its
historic
integrity
of
materials
and
appearance
or
it
doesn't
contribute,
meaning
it's
a
newer,
infill
house
or
it's
been
modified
to
the
point
that
you
don't
recognize
that
it
there's
an
old
house
in
there
somewhere.
G
I
understand
what
you're
saying
that
would
mean
that
this
list
is
not
complete
enough
because
you
got
contributing
listed,
but
you
don't
have
individually
listed
individually
designated
listing
for
these
two
district
categories,
that
is
the
local
district
and
the
national
district
should
have
both
contributing
category
and
individually
designated
category.
If
I
understand
what
you're
just
saying
well,.
C
B
E
C
C
G
C
C
G
E
G
What
I
said
before
locally
designated
by
the
City
Council
upon
recommendation
of
this
body
right,
would
probably
better
become
locally
designated
to
me.
Don't
want
anybody
thinking
they
can
just
do
it
on
their
own
right
out
there,
it's
only
locally
designated
by
the
City
Council
upon
recommendation
from
the
hpc,
so.
F
F
F
The
audience
in
the
council
can
actually
never
hear
what's
being
said
up
here
on
the
podium,
and
sometimes
you
can
hear
the
mayor
because
he's
no
closer
to
the
audience,
but
I
actually
recommend
that
where's,
the
body
I
recommend
that
the
council
City
Council,
put
some
speakers
on
both
sides
there,
so
that
the
audience
can
actually
hear
the
word
for
word.
You
really
don't
know
who
actually
highly
anyone
don't
because
they
don't
always
put
the
heads
up.
F
We
just
could
never
hear
what
what's
actually
being
saying
up
here
by
the
councillor
we
can
hear
today
because
the
chamber
is
empty,
but
normally
you
know
when
the
council's
meeting
I
know,
I
was
absent
in
the
second
row
and
I
didn't
have
active
understand
here.
Actually,
most
of
the
conversation
that
comes
from
up
here
is.
F
Even
the
person-
that's
that's
speaking
in
the
mic
right
there.
You
can't
hear-
and
you
can't
hear
the
their
counsel
from
up
here.
You
can
hear
sometimes
when
it's
quiet
when
president
general
right
raises
his
voice,
you
know
for
people
to
be
quiet,
sit
down,
don't
you
talking
too
long,
but
the
normal
course
of
deliberation
of
deliberations
here
in
this.
D
F
E
You
know,
which
is
why,
in
the
meeting
procedure
instructions
we
tell
people
to
speak
directly
into
the
microphone,
because
if
I
turn
my
head,
you
can't
you
can't
hear
me
as
well
and
I
think
there
a
lot
of
the
side
conversation
is
when
people
lean
over
and
start
talking
to
lose
it.
You
don't
pick
it
up
and
they
may
want
that.
But
the
these
are
somewhat
directionally
sensitive
to
work.
I.
F
F
F
I
started
to
think
if
you
had
two
pointed
down
and
if
you
could
place
another
one
in
the
center
in
the
back,
that
would
probably
help
as
well
it's
what
the
audio
side
that
goes.
Do
you
have
a
basically
a
packed
chamber
here?
Go
Stephen,
I,
don't
know
what
the
heck
was
going
on
up
here.
Dave
Aude
and
you
don't
know
what
they
voted
for.
You
final
agenda,
but
sometimes
it
moves
so
fast.
F
F
F
D
A
A
F
F
C
A
A
D
Just
want
to
say
that
Kristi
Andersen
has
done
some
heavy
heavy
lifting
and
done
a
fine
job.
Putting
this
program
together,
I
think
it's
gonna
be
fantastic.
She
sent
out
an
email
today
saying
that
there
were
only
two
slots
remaining
of
the.
What
is
it
25,
30,
25
and
I
got
the
tote
bags.
I
got
the
t-shirts,
I'm
sure
they're
gonna
be
some
nice.
What
do
you
call
it
in
the
tote,
bag,
swag
and
I.
D
D
A
As
you've
already
alluded
to,
all
of
this
will
be
hell,
except
for
the
venue
at
Oklahoma
chair
be
held
at
Huntington,
Colin,
Huntington,
College,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
think
the
next
time
we
probably
see
each
other
that
our
first
class
on
April
3rd
for
the
history
of
Montgomery
and
I
think
all
of
this
will
be
very
important.
All
right
any
comments.
Anyone
wants
make
regarding
our
leadership,
preservation,
class
and.
E
E
A
E
E
A
G
E
Really
in
a
holding
pattern,
until
two
things
happen,
the
application
deadline
is
Friday
for
the
award,
so
we
need
we
need
applications
to
review
and
the
number
of
people
who
sign
up
for
the
class
will
impart
determine
how
much
budget
I
can
give
them
to
plan
the
reception
for
the
awards
program,
so
they're
kind
of
in
a
holding
pattern.
Until
we
get
a
couple
of
things
nailed
down,
although
they
have,
they
have
started,
collecting
or
putting
together
possible
menus
and
a
budget
of
what
expected
expenses
and
I
will.
G
A
E
C
E
E
F
F
F
Yes,
currently
they
they've
come
up
with
the
database
identified
some
83,000
properties
in
2000
of
those
copies
in
immediate
distress.
And
revitalization,
is
you
know
it's
just
a
conversation
in
this
city
and
I
think
it
needs
to
go
beyond
that.
I,
don't
know
what
we
can
do
to
contribute
to
finding
ways
to
end
in
the
blight
in
this
city.
I
know,
other
communities
have
have
accomplished
it
and
some
have
taken
years,
some
as
much
as
20
years.
F
E
Mobile
I
think
it's
restore
mobile
org.
It
is
a
nonprofit
in
mobile
that
does
just
that
I,
don't
know
how
they
acquire
their
properties,
but
they
they
do.
A
combination
of
selling
rehabbed
properties
and
selling
kind
of
gems
in
the
rough
and
but
mobile
has
been
very
successful
in
clearing
title
for
properties
as
well.
E
Carry
command
us
kind
of
spearheaded
that
and
Kari
and
I
worked
at
the
Historical
Commission
at
the
same
time
and
she
went
on
and
managed
to
get
a
law
degree.
So
she's
a
lot
smarter
than
I
am
about
these
things,
but
they
they
they
do
have
something
that
might
work
and
and
that
combined
with
the
new
IRS
Opportunity
Zones,
where
you
have
investment
funds
that
would
target
projects
that
is
I
think
at
least
locally.
The
efforts
toward
establishing
a
local
fund
is
being
driven
by
the
Chamber
of
Commerce.
E
F
Councilman
Larkin
came
up
with
a
proposal
that
was
shot
down
and
I
I'm
sure
it
had
some
some
flaws
in
it
and
said
it
was
an
unenforceable,
but
at
least
he
made
an
effort
and
it's
supposed
to
be
a
second
one
that
I'm
not
well
and
they've,
been
actually
talking
about
this
for
several
years
and
the
problem
gets
worse.
You
know,
year
by
year,
in
fact,
day
by
day
month
by
month,
the
policy
of
the
city
is
to
allow
the
profits
to
completely
deteriorate
until
they
become
a
safety
hazard
and
I.
F
Think
that
policy
is
just
you
know
off
the
wall.
You
know
I,
don't
what
do
you
do?
Some
of
these
profits
could
be
saved,
but
there's
no.
There
are
no
mechanisms
to
do
so,
and
it
doesn't
appear
that
the
leadership
in
this
city-
you
know
it's
serious
about
it.
It's
one
thing
to
just
develop
a
database
to
tell
you
where
the
properties
are,
but
then
so
what
you
know
I
know
we
all
see
them
whether
we
know
everyone
individually
or
by
neighborhood
or
not.
Unless
you
live
in
a
neighborhood.
F
The
point
is,
you
know:
where
do
we
go
from
data
base
to
resurrection,
and
that's
my
problem
and
I
think
we
are
supposed
to
be
some
of
those
neighborhoods
are
in
fact
historic,
because
then
more
than
50,
50
plus
years
old,
it
may
not
be
in
the
historic
register
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
also
say
that
there
aren't
people
who
achieved
some
notoriety
in
our
city
and
state
and
national
didn't
come
from
some
of
those
areas.
F
C
F
I
will
say
what
yes,
yes,
that's
trying
to
get
some
serious
efforts
at
least
put
some
some
some
committees
or
something
together
and
see.
How
do
we
get
get
started
and
correcting
this,
because
it's
just
gonna
get
worse
and
the
support
is
the
poor
example
for
this
one.
Supposing
that
his
historic
city
and
it
just
doesn't
look
good
I
mean
you
make
the
wrong
turn
here
coming
off
the
trail,
and
you
know
you
can
be
devastated
by
what
you
see.
F
E
A
good
segue
into
something
that
I
wanted
to
tell
me
all
about
on
the
happier
and
of
kind
of
what
you're
talking
about
historic
England
for
Valentine's
Day
this
year
did
a
celebrate
the
buildings
you
love
program,
where
they
were
asking
people
to
write,
love
letters
to
buildings
and
I.
Think
you
know
part
of
I
think
that
kind
of
gets
at
at
least.
E
For
the
community
awareness
part
of
it,
you
know
some
of
these
places
are
places
that
tug
on
people
as
what
they
think
of
as
home,
or
you
know,
make
them
think
of
home
and
I
would
I
would
ask
that
you
all
consider?
Maybe
we
try
to
do
something
similar
to
this?
Maybe
we
find
each
of
you
write
a
love
letter
or
someone.
Who's
known
in
the
community
could
write
a
love
letter
that
we
could
launch
and
get
others
to
tell
us
their
stories
about
the
places
that
are
important
to
them.
E
On
the
flip
side,
we
could
also
do
what's
the
scariest
place,
ghost
stories
of
Montgomery
kind
of
for
Halloween,
too
but
anyway,
but
that
that
kind
of
speaks
to
the
community
engagement
of
that
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
yes,
that's
a
problem,
but
that's
not
my
problem
to
solve
and
making
making
some
of
these
ideas
more
graspable
like
I
can
do
something
about
it.
Maybe
maybe
that's
a
it's
a
place
to
start
anyway.
It's.
F
C
F
Weekend
as
a
as
a
commission
here,
sort
of
turned
hip
turn
this
corner
litter.
It's
a
serious
problem,
I
mean
really
a
serious
problem.
Our
streets
are
in
a
major
disrepair
and
I
mean
some
of
our
main
thoroughfares
and,
of
course,
our
housing
is
blighted
and
their
neighborhoods,
and
not
just
the
worst
neighborhoods
and
even
the
Garden
District.
There
are
a
lot
of
blighted
properties
and
I.
Just
think
we,
as
a
commission
or
at
least.
F
E
How
about
I
do
this?
How
about
I
talked
to
Thomas
Carr
who's
heading
up
that
initiative,
which
is
supposed
to
have
a
revitalization
component,
not
just
a
demolition
component
to
it.
Let
me
talk
to
him
and
she'll,
be
Stringfellow
at
the
chamber,
who's
been
working
on
the
opportunity
zone,
piece
of
it
and
if
I
could
get
them
together
in
a
room,
would
you
would
who
would
want
to
sit
in
on
that
discussion?
Absolutely.
G
I'm
glad
you
offered
that
because
I
believe
that
our
personally
were
born
and
they
report
on
what
the
city
was
is
gonna,
be
planned
on
to
deal
with.
This
I
I
represent
district
6,
which
is
south
of
the
bypass.
But
my
office
is
in
district
3,
which
is
a
historic
district,
and
it
has
more
and
my
church
itself
also
in
the
district
that
has
the
most
taken
properties
in
the
city
and
so.
G
Important
issue
to
to
me
and
the
people
in
my
church
we
actually
have
talked
about
this
issue.
The
the
the
proposal
that
was
on
the
table
was
very
broad,
and
there
was
some
concerns
with
and
I
think
our
representative
from
district
6
echoed
some
of
those,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
process
should
be
dropped.
I
think
having
a
database
is
a
good
step.
I
mean
you're.
Gonna
have
to
do
that
anyway.
G
G
The
people
we
talked
to
in
the
even
in
my
church,
shallow,
which
it's
in
that
area,
said
we
were
even
got
properties
all
right
there.
We
keep
up
so
won't
to
do
that
and
I
think
we
back
doing
that
and
I
don't
I
I
guess.
Finally,
on
saying,
I
would
like
that
some
point
when
you
say
that
gets
to
the
point
whether
it's
going
to
do
what
it's
going
to
do
with
regard
to
this
website
understand
more
of
what
that
is,
and
what
is
the
plan
for
dealing
with
that
and
how
that
impacts.
A
Any
other
coming,
let
me
just
congratulate
you,
the
Commission
McCann's
for
that
observation
and
what
you've
added
Commissioner
long.
There
is
no
reason
this
should
be
dropped
and
your
point
about
what
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
should
be
doing
is
absolutely
on
time.
Let
us
be
about
doing
that
so
Chrissy.
When
you
get
ready
for
the
person
who
agreed
to
meet.
Let
us
see
what
is
it
that
we
can
do
as
a
body
to
ensure
that
something
happens
good
as
a
result,
all
of
us
and
then
it
just
doesn't
get
dropped.
B
D
Just
thought
it
might
be
an
interesting
speaker
to
just
talk
to
us
about
what
this
program
is
at
one
of
our
own
meetings,
but
to
do
it
around
a
table
where
we
could
really
have
some
interaction
with
questions
and
comments,
and
that
was
my
suggestion.
Not
so
much
a
work
session,
better.
A
regular
meeting
but
sit
down.
E
C
B
Next
agenda,
then
this
discussion
in
terms
of
I
think
we
need
to
discuss
us
further
as
well.
It's
my
position,
I
think
it's
important
but
I
think
we're
in
the
exciting
brainstorming
phase
and
I
think
we
need
to
at
a
regular
meeting
make
this
an
agenda
item.
If
not
the
first
agenda
item,
so
we
can
devote
some
time
to
it
a
little
further
than
what
we've
done
today.
Do
you
think.
E
F
I
think
they
can
this
car
and
others
similarly
involved,
can
bring
what
information
they
have
I
mean.
The
first
thing,
of
course,
is
what's
being
done.
Now
is
the
first
identify
you
know
not
the
problem
where
the
problem
is
the
greatest
and
how
do
we
attack?
You
know
the
next
step
would
be.
How
do
we
a
plan
around
to
to
gather
resources?
You
know
to
attack
some
of
these
issues.
We
know
that
that
can
be
people,
organizations,
chamber,
commerce,
city,
state,
county
officials.
F
E
E
Get
some
information
out
on
the
table
and
then
maybe
when
we
have
our
regular
gene
meeting,
we
can
have
another
roundtable
discussion
and
kind
of
hash
out.
Okay.
What
do
we
do
with
this
information?
It's
probably
premature
to
approach
the
chamber
to
talk
about
opportunities
zones
because
that's
really
getting
into
the
financial
implementation
of
something,
but
probably
the
city
policy,
side
or
enforcement,
and
what
their
plans
are
to
reach
that
revitalization
goal,
which
I've
been
told,
is
a
piece
of
it.
But
I,
don't
know
what
that
piece
is.
F
I
talked
to
Brandon
I've
talked
to
him
several
times.
Mr.
Hodge
is
pretty
much
up
on
whatever
the
city's
intentions
are
my
last
impression
of
once
they
identified
the
two
thousand
properties
or
word
that
well
we're
going
to
do
something
about
it
in
the
future.
That
was
entirely
too
abstract.
For
me,
no
I
don't
know
what.
E
C
E
I,
don't
think
that
that
means
there's
no
intention
to
do
anything.
I
just
don't
think
that
they
know
how
this
is
gonna
work,
because
you
know
when
I
have
when
I
have
to
enforce
violations
and
they're
in
the
same
boat.
That
I
am
we
take
the
complaint
to
Municipal
Court,
which
is
only
good
if
you
can
get
that
individual
served,
and
if
that
individual
doesn't
live
in
Montgomery.
Well,
good
luck
with
that.
E
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
kick
some
of
this
stuff,
we're
hamstrung
by
state
enabling
legislation
about
what
what
municipalities
can
do
and
how
they
can
enforce
things.
I
don't
know
if
there
is
another
legal
mechanism
of
you
know
it,
but
if
I
have
an
out-of-state
owner
I,
just
they
don't
get
served
then
nothing
ever
happens.
The
best
I
can
do
is
record
a
violation
with
the
deed
and
pass
it
on
to
the
next
owner
that,
oh
by
the
way,
you've
got
to
fix
this.
E
F
I've
had
that
problem
because
I'm
the
Neighborhood
Association
president,
and
in
fact
that
comes
up
often
there
are
remedies
and
just
as
they
say,
we
couldn't
serve
anyone
around
here
for
violations
before
miss
Regina.
Who
was
that
over
Barnes
left
she
got
a
neighbour
of
mine,
serve,
got
much
of
the
police
and
asked
them
to
serve
because
it
made
no
sense
that
day
you
got
a
stack
of
letters
up
there
violators
and
you
can't
get
these
people
certain.
So
in
shacks
it
got
one
serving
and
Paula
said
well,
how'd
you
do
that
as
well.
F
You
know,
I
did
what
I
thought
was
smart
to
do
it
I
mean
it
makes
no
sense
that
you
can't
serve
these
people,
you
have
the
sheriff
run
around
the
city
and
policemen
run
around
serve
it,
and
so
what
about
these
city
ordinance
violations
that
you
can't
get,
sir,
nothing
that
rocket.
Sir
I'm
just
kind
of
ridiculous.
You
know
and
I'm
not
trying
to
cancer.
This
versus
owning
I'm
just
super
soon,
what's
important
about
our
artists
and
then
you
get
a
violator
and
then
the
person
don't
accept
certified
mail
or
in
a
service.
F
F
Violation
that
the
sheriff
does
every
day
then
then
Billy
Carl's
they
run
around
in
you
know
no,
no
gas
burning
vehicles,
police
does
it.
You
know
for
criminal
as
well
as
other
type
warrants
and
civil,
so
I
mean
you
mean
to
tell
me
to
say,
to
have
a
police
force
and
you
don't
have
anybody
to
serve
these
words.
I
realized
it
made
overlap
and
maybe
caused
them
a
little
bit
more
work
to
do.
But
then,
maybe
perhaps
you
need
to
hire
some
people
for
service
well,.
G
E
E
F
Well,
they're
not
gonna
pick
it
up,
so
you
actually
have
had
that
I
had
the
same
problem.
If
people
had
never
been
pick
up,
their
certified
yeah,
so
police
Maidan
started
one
and
you
kept
apart.
Someone
cool.
You
got
a
fine
and
then
made
a
deal
where,
if
you
know
you
can
do
this,
you
can
do
that
on
the
property.
But
you
can't
do
this
and
that
pretty
much
ended
the
problem.
But
this
one
on
four
over
here
and
just
got
frustrated
because
I
mean
that
means
you
can
continue
to
violate
the
ordinance.
F
C
B
E
E
Okay,
so
we
have
these
problems
properties.
What
do
we
do
so?
The
you
know
the
city
already
has
a
process
in
place
that
if
this
that
the,
if
there's
tax
sale
property
that
they
will
get
to
the
hands
of
a
non-profit
for
a
minimal
cost,
they
will
acquire
the
property
from
the
states
and
then
pass
it
on
to
a
non-profit.
E
So
you
know
there
are,
there
may
be
opportunities
and
and
some
of
this
mapping
these
mapping
features
will
help
pinpoint,
because
one
of
the
layers
is
state
tax,
sale.
Property
of
you
know.
So,
if
part
of
the
revitalization
effort
involves
the
creation
of
a
non-profit
to
handle
some
of
these
properties
to
either
do
the
renovations
or
partner
with
someone
who
will,
then
it
may
be
possible
to
get
some
of
those
properties
back
into
productive
use.
Sure.
B
E
B
We
live
in
Montgomery
we
should
be
concerned
about
blight
is
too,
if
you're
concerned
about
that,
to
reach
out
to
your
representative
and
I
know
that
may
seem
corny
or
what-have-you,
but
I
mean
we're
a
democracy
right
so
reach
up
to
your
representative,
who,
who
has
reached
out
and
pressure
their
representative
to
say,
hey
we're
having
this
issue
in
our
community.
What
have
you
done?
What
are
you
preparing
to
do?
I've
heard
that
very
much
well.
F
B
If
the
average
person
that's
something
to
think
they
can
write
an
email,
they
can
call
whatever
to
their
state
representative,
because
yeah
there's
these
local
tools
that
we
have
and
that's
great
that's
awesome
and
we
should
utilize.
These
tools,
like
Lamont
christie,
was
mentioning,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we
do
have
state
representatives
and
in
Alabama
the
the
legislature
holds
a
lot
of
power.
A
lot
of
power
centralized
in
that
elected
body
and
I
think
that,
among
these
other
endeavors,
we're
discussing,
which
are
definitely
tools
that
are
available.
B
F
Here
we
want
to
do
what
we
can
do
based
on
the
city,
ordinances
and
based
on
the
direction
if
we
want
to
sit
it
to
go
and
have
cooperation
and
citizens
and
and
and
so
forth,
and
and
and
do
what
we
can
do,
and
we
can
always
ask
the
state
rep
to
propose
legislation
to
do
something
about
these.
How
to
state
property
owners
in
terms
of
setting
deadlines
and
what-have-you
and
the
tax
properties
was.
The
state
was
just
abandoned.
F
Their
ownership
of
the
property
and
just
Dena
Norma
to
the
city
I
mean
all
these
things
to
be
done,
but
I'm
just
simply
saying:
let's
do
what
we
can
do
locally.
You
know
what
resources
we
have
and
those
that
we
can
get
from
some
other
funding
funding
sources.
But
let's
get
at
after
the
problem,
and
that's
that's
trying
to
stay
away
from
the
politics.
F
B
And
I
understand
that,
but
and
and
I
agree
with
you,
but
I'll
also
say
that
the
State
House
is
concerned
about
matters
related
to
tax
list
properties.
A
case
in
point
would
be
the
revisions
that
they've
made
to
the
tax
sale
process
in
terms
of,
for
example,
the
interest
rate
that
accrue
you
know.
So,
if
you
buy
it
of
the
taxes
at
a
tax
sale,
it
was
what
one
point
twelve
percent
or
something
they've.
Not
is
that,
of
course
it's
political
all.
B
This
is
political
ultimately,
but
you
know,
I
will
tell
you
that
the
people
who
elect
to
serve
are
from
this
community
and
I.
Imagine
that
they
have
these
thoughts
on
on
the
brain
as
well,
so
I
think
both
at
the
local
level,
but
at
the
state
level
you
know
nothing.
Has
the
enforcement,
like
the
state
of
Alabama
in
Alabama,
is
all
I'm
saying.
G
This
is
generally
a
good
time
on
this
issue.
I
have
to
have
to
agree
with
Commissioner
McCants
I
will
now
was
in
state
government
I
spent
most
of
my
time
at
the
Statehouse
part
of
my
one
of
my
jobs.
What
the
deal
with
legislators.
This
is
primarily
a
local
problem.
Here
the
city
has
authority
to
do
ordinances
that
governs
the
properties
in
its
area.
Most
of
the
time
legislature,
ain't
gonna
do
anything
and,
let's
just
be
the
units
to
governmental
units.
Governor
era
has
approved
what
the
state
is
proposing.
G
So
you
back
to
the
same
problem.
That
is
what
does
the
city
of
Montgomery
want
to
do
with
regard
to
property
in
this
city
limits
and
I
think
that
decision
should
not
advocate
this
responsibility
to
deal
with
that
in
favor
of
the
state
doing
it
first
state
doesn't
have
a
general
code
of
anything
on
house.
Oh
yeah
Wow,
some
states
do
Alabama
has
not
chosen
to
do.
Oh.
B
G
E
C
E
Working
with
those
entities
in
a
way
that
helps
achieve
the
same
goal,
you
know
let
let
them
do
the
enforcement
part,
but
with
what's
the
piece
to
pick
up
okay.
So
what?
If
you
can
get
these
properties
out
of
the
hands
of
people
who
don't
want
to
take
care
of
them?
What
do
you
do
with
them?
If
you
can't
find
another
owner
or
another
entity
to
take
them
and
take
on
that
responsibility
and
make
that
investment
I
mean?
There's,
there's
got
to
be
someone
there
to
catch
the
ball.
E
Once
code
enforcement
put
squeeze
on
someone
hard
enough
that
they
decide
they're
going
to
toss
the
ball.
You
know
and
I
think
that
that
is
really
where
the
HPC
could
come
in
and
play
a
vital
role
in
this,
because
it's
not
enough
just
to
fine
or
punish
an
owner.
If
they're
going
to
keep
doing
the
same
thing,
you
know
if
they,
if
they
decide
they're
going
to
sell
or
walk
away
from
their
property,
you've
got
to
have
you've
got
to
have
something
in
place
to
follow,
to
follow
up
with
that.
E
Otherwise,
you
just
have
an
abandoned
for
a
completely
abandoned
property.
With
the
same
problem,
so
there
there's
got
to
be
a
mechanism
whether
it's
it's
creating
neighborhood
coalitions
of
nonprofits
that
have
you
know
a
little
bit
of
money
from
a
whole.
Bunch
of
people
can
go
a
long
way.
You
know,
we've
done
several
projects
like
that
in
my
neighborhood,
where
people
put
in
what
they
could
to
save
something
and
it's
work.
It
can
be
a
big
headache,
but
better
that's
worked,
but
I
think
I.
Think
for
the
HPC.
E
You
all
need
to
be
thinking
put
the
thinking
hat
on
of
okay.
So
what
do
we
do?
What
do
we
do
to
revitalize?
Well,
what
is
our
role
in
revitalization?
How
do
we
find
the
investors
and
the
partners
and
the
neighborhood
movers
and
shakers
who
are
going
to
take
these
properties
on
once
once
once
our
friends
over
here
in
Code,
Enforcement
get
the
property
away
or
you
know
convince
someone
to
sell
well.
D
D
D
D
F
F
G
F
E
F
F
C
F
A
A
H
Clay
bond
1832,
Spiegel,
Street,
District,
three
Highland,
Gardens
and
I
just
wanted
to
know.
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
briefly:
I
watch
you
on
YouTube,
so
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
but
eva.
'the
Irby
jones
have
any
of
you
ever
heard
of
her
Edith
Irby
Jones,
our
patience,
clay
bond,
okay,
that's
my
mom
and
I.
Just
want
to
tell
you
about
it
very
quick.
A
long
time
ago
there
was
a
young
man
who
was,
and
he
was
a
lot
like
Donald
Trump,
except
he
was
smart.
H
He
cared
about
other
people
and
he
was
compassionate
Donald.
Trump
said
he
was
gonna,
build
a
wall
and
Mexico
was
gonna
pay
for
it.
This
man
said
he
was
going
to
build
a
school
and
the
white
man
was
gonna
pay
for
it
and
in
1880
with
a
lot
of
ingenuity
with
the
help
of
the
Alabama
state
legislature,
rich
philanthropist,
he
built
this
wonderful
institution,
Tuskegee
University,
and
he
made
it
work
because
he
was
smart
enough
to
have
that
goal
but
never
saved.
H
He
gave
a
famous
speech
the
Atlanta
compromise
speech,
where
he
said
that
the
racist
should
so
stay
as
separate
as
digits
of
the
hand,
but
if
you
notice
they're
pretty
close
together
and
he
did
it,
he
went
on
and
he
raised
the
money
because
he
made
it
look
like
it
was
just
going
to
be
an
agricultural
institution,
but
it
was
kind
of
like
Wakanda
and
there
was
chemistry
there.
There
was
physics
there.
H
There
was
literature
there
and
he
built
this
wonderful
school
and
a
strange
thing
happened
in
Arkansas
in
1952,
a
young
lady,
a
black
woman,
eateth
herbs,
Jones
graduated
from
medical
school.
Now,
how
did
she
get
accepted
to
the
University
of
Arkansas?
I?
Don't
know,
maybe
they
didn't
look
at
the
photo
on
the
application.
Maybe
there
was
no
interview
process,
but
she
was
an
outstanding
student
in
undergraduate.
She
had
three
different
majors
and
she
got
accepted,
but
there
were
barriers
placed
after
that
when
she
went
to
the
University
of
Arkansas.
H
It
was
segregation
she
couldn't
eat
in
the
cafeterias.
She
couldn't
live
there.
She
couldn't
use
the
restroom,
but
they
let
her
go
to
medical
school.
So
I
guess
she
took
that
option,
but
there
was
a
barriers
place
after
that
for
years
and
years,
if
you
were
in
the
South,
you
could
not
go
to
a
primary
white
institution
as
great
as
Tuskegee
was
is
as
great
as
Alabama.
State
is
as
great
as
Talladega.
College
is
miles
college.
There
was
no
HBCU
with
the
Medical
School,
but
my
mother,
she
was
born
around
the
same
time.
H
H
When
she,
when
she
graduated,
she
got
accepted
in
the
UAB
when
she
was
in
high
school
Vivian
Malone
James
hood
broke
those
doors
open,
so
she
could
go
to
the
universe
of
Alabama
system
and,
unfortunately,
being
that
there
was
no
black
HBCU,
the
the
black
medical
students
had
to
go
to
Howard
University
Meharry
School
of
Medicine,
and
they
had
to
go
to
other
HBCUs.
H
When
she
finished
at
UAB
and
she
filled
a
chasm
that
had
been
vacant
since
either
therapy
Jones
did
and
the
good
thing
about
this,
is
she
made
sure
that
she
was
on
the
admissions
committee
so
that
other
people
would
have
a
chance?
You
know
I
know
you're
about
history.
I
hear
a
lot
of
other
good
things
that
I
that
I
want
to
hear
because
I
care
about.
You
know
what
goes
on
in
my
community,
but
I
just
want
to
share
that
a
little
bit
of
history
with
you.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity.
Thank.
A
You
anyone
else
in
the
audience
would
like
to
say
a
few
words.
You
know
what
else
Christian
do
we
have
anything
else?
Let
me
just
again
thank
Chris.
The
Anderson
name
is
Adina
Kramer
from
the
city
of
Montgomery
for
coming
out
with
us
this
afternoon,
through
our
other
commissioners.
Have
anything
you'd
like
to
say,
as
we
close
out
here
this
afternoon,
any
other
I.
B
Would
like
to
say
something
I'd
like
to
applaud
my
colleagues
for
the
discussion
today,
I'm
proud
to
serve
with
with
colleagues
who
who
are
engaged.
You
are
not
sitting
up
here
simply
to
fill
a
space,
I
I!
Think
it's
exciting
and
I
do
look
forward
to
what
comes
out
of
that
information
session
right.