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A
The
purposes
of
the
Commission
are
to
promote
the
educational,
cultural,
economic
and
general
welfare
of
the
city
through
the
preservation
and
protection
of
buildings,
sites,
structures,
areas
and
districts
of
historic
significance
and
interests
through
the
preservation
and
enhancement
of
local,
historic,
architectural,
archaeological
and
aesthetic
heritage
found
in
the
city,
through
the
maintenance
of
the
distinctive
character
of
the
city's
historic
districts
and
through
the
promotion
and
enhancement
of
the
city.
His
city's
historic
districts
and
historic,
aesthetic
attraction
to
tourists
and
visitors.
A
Our
procedure
for
conducting
business
is
a
petitioner
for
each
item
will
be
asked
to
come
forward
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
present
his
or
her
request.
The
goal
will
ask
any
question:
the
board
may
help
once
public
testimony
and
discussion
for
particular
item
has
concluded.
The
members
of
the
board
will
deliberate
and
will
render
its
decision.
Members
with
a
personal
financial
interest
in
any
requests
are
required
to
recuse
themselves
from
voting
I.
A
D
A
I'm
Richard
Bayly,
the
chairman
of
the
Montgomery
Historic
Preservation
Commission.
We
also
have
with
us
this
afternoon.
Members
of
the
planning,
control
staff
and
I
would
like
to
recognize
miss
indi,
Kristi
Andersen
to
my
right
and
Miss
Paula
Richardson
to
my
left.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
time
from
your
busy
schedules
to
help
us
out
each
second
Tuesday
of
the
month.
We
want
to
note
that
a
quorum
of
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
is
five
members
of
the
nine-member
board.
A
It
takes
five
votes
of
the
hpc
members
in
attendance
to
take
action
on
each
item
either
for
approval
or
denial.
For
example,
five
members
quorum
present
five
members
majority
votes
needed
to
pass
a
motion
for
approval
or
denial.
A
tie
vote
44
is
a
failed
motion
with
that
being
said,
I
like
to
bring
to
your
attention
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting.
The
chair
will
now
entertain
a
motion
for
its
approval.
I.
D
A
A
E
Did
hand
out
a
new
memo
I
there
was
one
change
made
to
what
was
put
in
the
agenda,
which
was
the
addition
of
that
in
order
for
someone
to
receive
an
expedited
review,
the
shed
needed
to
be
less
than
100
square
feet
and
also
not
have
any
existing
violations
on
the
property.
So
if
someone
has
done
something
that
they
weren't
supposed
to
they're
just
gonna
have
to
go
to
the
board,
even
if
it
meets
the
criteria.
E
E
Well,
the
ARB
discussed
it
and
which
is
weird
a
comment
from
clever
Dale
Idlewild
brought
up
the
paint
color
issue
and
the
board
brought
up
vinyl
siding
I
had
one
question
about
the
statement
of
no
gambrel
roofs,
which
is
that
barn
shaped
reeve.
Someone
noted
that
there
was
one
house
that
they
knew
of
that
hat
was
a
Dutch,
colonial
and
I
said
that
it
would
be
more
inappropriate
than
appropriate
most
of
the
time
and
that
didn't
they.
E
It
would
just
mean
they
would
have
to
go
to
the
board
and
the
only
other
comment
I
got
was
someone
thought
this
process
was
too
onerous
and
I
said:
I
tried
to
explain
that
we
already
have
guidelines
in
place
that
require
new
construction
meet
certain
standards.
So
this
is
to
make
it
easier
and
I
don't
know
if
the
point
was
the
only
way
to
make
it
even
easier
to
not
have
any
review
at
all,
but
there
seemed
to
be
a
disconnect
between
what
she
thought
this
meant
and
what
it
means.
D
D
E
Need
to
make
application
like
they
normally
would
for
a
shed,
and
we
have
an
application
form,
and
it's
got
a
checklist
on
the
back
for
different
types
of
an
ARB
application
form
and
there's
a
checklist
for
different
types
of
product
projects
of
what
information
is
required
to
be
submitted.
They
would
still
need
to
submit
all
of
that.
D
E
E
Architectural
standards
that
we
have
for
new
construction,
because
it's
treated
as
new
construction
that
the
building
needs
to
be
compatible
with
the
main
dwelling,
which
generally
means
the
roof
line,
needs
to
have
an
overhanging
Eve,
and
it
needs
to
have
a
horizontal
lap,
siding
and
most
of
the
prefab
buildings
how
they
don't
have
either
one
of
those
there
are
a
few
out
there.
But
there
aren't
many.
E
E
D
E
No,
no,
that
that
has
been
went
when
the
discussion
in
the
NA
PC
listserv,
which
is
the
the
listserv
that
is
us,
its
staff,
people
and
commission
members
talked
about
how
they
regulate
out
buildings.
A
hundred
square
feet
to
120
square
feet
was
about
the
size
range
that
people
had
those
relaxed
guidelines
for
I.
Think
Nashville
was
talking
about
going
up
to
200.
E
That's
that
that's
starting
to
get
a
little
big.
We
can
start,
we
can
always
make
it
bigger.
I'd,
say
we
start
small
and
see
how
it
goes
and
if
there's
a
tremendous
call
for
something
larger
than
a
10
by
10,
we
could
consider
that
it
would
just
mean
they
have
to
go
to
the
board.
It
doesn't
mean
they
can't
do
it.
It
just
means
they
have
to
run
through
the
process
like
they
would
right
now,
without
these
in
place.
Thank
You
mr.
chance.
B
Will
this
like
flow
chart
and
this
new
information?
Can
it
go
on
the
drop-down
on
the
website?
E
E
Because
that's
what
happened
with
Windows,
we
tried
that
with
some
window
manufacturers
they
came
in.
They
presented
the
windows,
the
board
said:
if
someone
comes
in
and
wants
to
replace
windows
and
they
match-
and
there
are
these
windows,
then
I
could
approve
them,
and
people
took
that
as
being
pre-approved,
which
meant
they
were
popping
in
windows
that
we
had
never
seen
before.
So
we
had
all
sorts
of
problems
with
that.
E
A
A
D
C
I'm
gonna
blow
up
the
speakers,
so
I
am
dr..
Dalles
Hanbury
went
to
Milton
to
see
state
university
for
my
PhD,
which
is
in
public
history,
with
an
archives.
Concentration
I've
been
the
montgomery
county,
art
archivist
since
december
2015,
and
the
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
evident
from
its
title.
A
lot
of
people
in
Montgomery,
don't
know
that
we
have
an
archive
and,
as
archivist
you
know,
it's
my
responsibility
to
to
inform
people.
So
with
that
we
have
this
brief
presentation.
C
The
County
Archives
is
located
downtown
at
Washington
and
Lawrence.
If
you've
lived
in
Montgomery
any
amount
of
time,
you'll
recognize
it
as
the
the
old
Montgomery
advertiser
building
correct
it's
directly
across
from
the
Old
Courthouse,
which
is
where
the
sheriff's
office
is
now
open.
Monday
through
Friday
8:00
to
5:00
no
research
appointment,
isn't
it
as
necessary.
We
have
on
street
parking
as
well
as
a
free
free
public
parking
deck
on
McDonough
Street.
C
So
take
advantage
of
that-
and
this
is
obviously
our
building
here-
we
do
not
have
the
whole
building
just
the
bottom
floor,
where
the
handrails
are
all
right,
so
we've
actually
had
a
County
archive
for
quite
some
time
now,
since
the
mid
90s
as
I
understand
it.
The
primary
driver
behind
that
was
the
County
Historical
Society,
with
input,
of
course,
from
County
Commission,
the
probate
court
and
the
State
Archives.
C
Uniquely,
we
are
a
department
of
the
probate
court,
although
we
serve
county
government.
So
that's
just
a
little
quirk
at
the
time
that
the
archives
was
created.
We
were
still
across
the
street
in
the
old
courthouse,
which
posed
some
logistical
challenges,
particularly
that
the
records
created
by
the
county
usually
stay
with
county
offices
due
to
a
lack
of
space
fast
forward
to
the
nineties
me
the
late-2000s
2009
to
be
exact.
The
county
has
purchased
the
old
advertiser,
building,
renovated
it
and
moved
County.
C
Let's
see
here
alright,
so
all
of
you
I'm
sure
have
done
some
historical
research
in
your
time
and
been
to
a
lot
of
different
institutions
and,
as
you
know,
all
County
archives
are
not
the
same.
Some
tend
to
be
more
society
based
and
unaffiliated
with
local
government,
but
the
County
Archives,
as
I
just
mentioned,
is
a
county
government
department.
To
that
end,
you
know
our
primary
mission
is
to
and
short
take
care
of
the
county
records,
and
so
that's
you
know
part
one
of
our
three-part
mission.
C
However,
you
know
Montgomery
County
being
older
than
the
state.
We
obviously
have
a
rich
documentary
heritage,
and
so
we
will
take
in
non
government
records
and
one
of
us
one
of
the
the
prime
examples
of
that
would
be
the
Emory
Fullmer
papers
for
those
of
you
watching
at
home
or
don't
know,
Anri
former
was
Montgomery's
longest
serving
there
and
was
a
unique
character.
He
served
from
1977
to
99
and
we
have
a
very
extensive
collection
of
his
papers
and
that's
really
amazing,
because
we
get
a
22
year,
look
at
Montgomery
in
a
lot
of
facets.
C
You
know
obviously
through
a
government
lens,
but
still
and
lastly,
because
we
are
you
know
accounting
government
department-
our
records
are
regulated
by
that
I
mean
we
have
retention
schedules,
meaning
how
long
can
we
keep
the
records
and
and
if
and
when
can
we
destroy
them?
And
so
I
do
a
lot
of
that
with
County
departments.
So
every
year
we
get
audited
and
after
the
audit
I'll
go
and
we'll
take
stock.
C
We'll
do
an
inventory
and
we'll
get
the
process
rolling
in
terms
of
either
getting
the
records
destroyed
or
moved
into
the
archives,
and
that's
a
close-up
shot
of
our
of
our
entrance
there.
You
can
see
a
little
bit
of
the
sheriff's
office
in
the
far
right
corner
there,
so
our
physical
facilities-
you
know
when
I
interview
for
this
job
and
they
took
me
around
the
building.
It
I
almost
fell
out
because
I've
never
seen
a
county
archive
so
well
off.
We
have
five
rooms:
five
vaults.
C
Three
of
Records
and
then
one
is
full.
The
other
two
are
about
half
full
and,
as
the
county
continues
to
produce
records
electronically,
that
will
be
an
interesting
situation
in
terms
of
how
much
demand
is
placed
on
our
space
going
forward
all
told
we
have
77,000
square
feet
of
storage,
which
is
a
lot
for
a
county
archive
and
to
maximize
that
space
we
have
compactable
shelving,
which
is
exactly
what
it
sounds
like.
C
The
shelves
compact
like
an
accordion
when
we're
not
using
them
and
then
when
we
need
to
go
down
an
aisle
and
get
something
we
can
open
those
shelves
up.
Each
room
has
a
thermostat.
So
you
know
temperature
is
really
important
to
records,
but
cooler.
It
is
the
better
now
read
that
first
point
really
closely
that
last
line
and
humidifiers.
What's
the
last
thing
we
need
more
of
in
Montgomery
humidity,
but
we
have
that
I,
don't
know
why
we
never
use
it.
Our
humidity
never
drops
below
the
point
where
we
need
to
to
kick
them
on.
C
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
a
space
for
growth
and
the
first
point
is
really
essential.
We
have
a
secure
environment
for
the
first
time
right.
Only
the
archivist
and
a
few
other
officials
can
get
to
those
records.
It's
you
know
the
public
has
a
public
access
area,
but
you
know
these
records
are
secure,
no
records
walking
out
the
door
which
does
happen
at
archives.
It's
happened
at
universities
across
the
nation.
This
does
happen
and
in
Montgomery
because
we
are
older
than
the
state.
We
have
some
pretty.
C
C
It
is
the
investment
you
can
see
a
little
work
area
on
the
right-
and
this
is
one
of
our
three
rooms
and
I-
don't
know
what
it
is
about
contractors
putting
archives
in
the
basement,
but
we
are
look
at
the
ceiling
in
the
basement,
so
we
have
fire
suppression,
but
we
also
have
plumbing
in
the
ceiling
which
poses
unique
challenges.
Should
a
pipe
bus,
essentially
we're
doing
cleanup
duty,
there's
real
no
way
to
deal
with
that.
You
can
tell
we
have
some
little
drip
pans,
but
that's
not
gonna.
Stop
anything.
Really.
C
We
have
some
water
sensors
on
the
floor.
They're
like
smoke
detectors
for
water.
You
know
if
the
water
hits
it
it'll
excuse-me
emit
a
loud
sound,
but
that
only
works.
If
we're
there
right,
we
can't
you
know
the
night
if
a
pipe
busts
work,
we're
in
trouble.
Excuse
me
so
I
mentioned
you
know
the
digital
information
environment.
You
know
the
county
and
I.
Imagine
the
city
as
well
now
for
some
years
has
moved
to
a
process
of
excuse
me
of
creating
most
of
its
records
electronically.
B
C
Right
so
it's
kind
of
archivist.
You
know,
I
have
a
responsibility
to
know
how
these
systems
work
that
we
use
to
create
our
records,
because
if
we
get
hacked
like
we
did
in
September
and
we're
shut
down
for
two
weeks,
we
need
to
know
that
I
recognize
only
safe
of
it
that
we
can
keep
operating
to
that
end.
I
work
with
our
IT
department
as
much
as
possible
to
to
understand
that
process
should
a
crisis,
a
corrected
step
in
and
do
my
part
as
much
as
possible.
C
C
Some
County
departments
still
use
microfilms
backup,
so
our
electronic
or
a
record
or
LeConte
now
right,
but
particularly
probate
court
and
records
and
recording
we
make
to
microfilm
copies,
and
when
we
keep
on
site
of
the
elder,
we
take
to
off-site
storage,
which
is
next
Carver
high
school.
Actually,
and
that
way
should
we
ever
have
a
well
placed
tornado
in
downtown
we're
up
and
running
as
soon
as
possible.
C
C
Because
probate
courts
weren't
created
in
Alabama
until
1850
as
I,
understand
I
could
I
mean
that's
what
I've
read
whatever
new
Commission
records,
County,
Circuit
and
Chancery
Court
records?
That's
unique
because
that's
an
AOC
administrative
office
of
court
record,
but
as
I
understand
it
to
archives
to
goal
in
Frayser,
who
is
a
legend
locally
in
terms
of
archives,
took
these
records
in
as
I
understand
it.
Aoc
was
running
out
of
space
and
we
you
know
we
wanted
to
do
our
part.
Thank
you.
C
Business
sheriff's
office
records
mainly
mug
shots
and
jail
logs
a
little
bit
of
County
Board
of
Education.
That
wide
time
span
is
misleading
because
really
have
four
or
five
things.
It
seems.
Those
records
have
stayed
with
the
County
Board
of
Education
and
then,
of
course,
our
Special
Collections
materials
like
the
former
papers,
the
bus
boycott,
mug
shots,
and
so
here's
a
here's
a
hint.
What
what
do
you
think
our
most
requested
record
is.
D
C
C
Slave
inventory
so
I'm
sure
all
of
you
know
what
in
the
state
file
this
oh
my
passes
away.
We
have
to
divvy
up
the
assets,
deal
with
debts
and
things
like
that.
Well,
slave
holders
died
and
they
had
debts,
and
we
have
hundreds
of
files
like
this,
where
we
have
lists
of
enslaved
people,
their
names,
their
values,
sometimes
their
ages.
Sometimes
family
structures
convey
on
these
documents.
These
are
invaluable
for
and
for
numerous
reasons,
from
genealogy
to
understanding.
You
know
the
economics
of
slavery.
B
C
D
D
C
Records
so
you
know
records
of
slavery
from
the
gain
of
the
county.
1816,
you
usually
see
them
taper
off
about
63.
You
know
you
have
the
Emancipation
Proclamation
around
that
time
and
then
the
Union
comes
running
into
Montgomery
and
Wow
1864
or
there
abouts,
and
so
that,
of
course
wipes
that
Institute
formal
slavery
anyway
away
and
closing.
We
have
a
few
projects
that
are
ongoing
upcoming
the
slave
index.
So
what
we're
doing
I
have
a
small
staff
of
an
intern
and
a
volunteer
and
we're
going
through
those
estate
files
of
what
we
remember
hope
there.
C
It
is
and
we're
going
through
when
we
just
it's
a
basic
excel
file
and
we
go
through.
We
get
the
names
of
all
the
enslaved
people.
We
put
out
their
names,
their
ages,
their
owner,
their
sex,
everything
onto
this
index,
because
these
people
otherwise
were
lost
to
history.
Unless
a
historian
comes
in
I
would
say
we
have
about
fourteen
hundred
names
on
the
list.
Right
now,
historians
estimate
that
there
were
around
20,000
people
enslaved
in
Montgomery
by
1860,
so
we
have
a
ways
to
go.
We
have
a
podcast,
it's
called
in
the
stacks.
C
C
The
stacks
alright
and
the
last
thing
we're
doing
this
is
really
exciting,
is
Alabama
mosaic,
which
will
bring
up
the
web
page
at
any.
Second,
in
the
meantime,
Alabama
mosaic,
so
mosaic
is
like
a
digital
archive
and
essentially
institutions
from
the
biggest
you
know
you
receive
Alabama
to
the
Montgomery.
County
archives
contribute
digitize
materials
with
descriptive
data
and
the
whole
world
can
see
it.
So
you
know
it
really
allows
institutions
that
are
smaller,
like
the
County
Archives
to
you
know,
leverage
this
and
get
their
materials
out
there.
C
So
if
you
go
to
browse
all
collections
at
the
top
and
we'll
show
one
real,
quick
and
closing,
let's
see,
Auburn
University
is
a
good
one
and
just
pick
anything
just
click
on
any
one
of
them.
C
C
C
C
Do
not
have
a
brochure,
but
we
are
on
the
web.
So
if
you
just
google
Montgomery
County
Alabama
archives,
we
have
an
extensive
website
that
will
tell
you
all
the
records
we
have.
We
have
digital
exhibits
that
are
amazing.
We
have
field
trip
guides
lesson
plans.
One
of
our
lesson
plans
is
actually
including
the
dynamics
escapes
me.
There's
essentially
a
lesson
plan
exchange
on
the
web
run
by
the
State
Department
of
Education,
and
our
lesson
plan
is
on
there.
So
we
have
a
host
of
materials
that
can
really
enrich
your.
D
C
Back
to
the
mosaic
homepage
go
to
the
top,
so
mosaic
think
of
mosaic
is,
like
you
know,
the
Reno,
the
Russian
nesting
dolls
right
here,
the
dolphin
the
dolphin
doll
mosaic
is
the
big
dog.
Okay
and
the
contributors
contribute
collections,
and
so
those
are
like
the
smaller
dolls
and
then
the
materials
that
we
contribute
are
the
small
installs
right.
So
this
is
a
way
to
get
collections
that
otherwise
people
are
not
going
to
see
or
you
know,
come
to
see.
You
know
who
who's
gonna
drive
to
Auburn.
You
know.
C
C
C
Some
point:
here's
my
disclaimer
now
this
is
like
the
iceberg.
Where
you
only
seen
you
know
you
know,
10%,
you
see,
90%,
you
don't
see.
You
know
what
we
put
on
the
web
is
only,
of
course
you
know
a
sliver
of
what's
actually
in
the
archive.
So
but
it's
it's
a
good
way
to
you
know,
get
people
into
the
into
research.
B
B
C
C
C
A
D
No
idea,
you
even
exist
well
I
mean,
but
the
point
is
most
people
get
their
information.
You
know
like
trying
to
clean
the
news,
TV
news
or
if,
in
fact,
the
newspaper
with
printed
random
actually
in
your
office,
in
what
your
responsibilities
are
and
what's
available,
I
think
that
would
be
to
your
interest.
Their
interest
know
this
yeah.
C
We
certainly
do
as
much
outreach
as
we
possibly
can
something
there,
two
full
years
and
in
two
full
years
I
think
I've
done.
13
presentations,
I've
been
on
WSFA
twice
I've
had
a
couple
of
news
stories
written.
You
know
we
I'm
literally
at
a
department
of
officially
one
so
I'm
sure
some
of
us
can
identify
with
that.
So
that's
why
we
do
things
like
the
podcasts,
because
we've
noticed
you
know
we
can
track
our
user
numbers
and
we
are
reaching
a
decent-sized
audience.
C
We
monitor
our
web
traffic
and
we
do
get
a
fair
amount
of
people
who
are
finding
us
through
the
web.
Oh
you
know,
we
create
things
like
the
lesson
plans
so
that
educators
can
know
about
us.
We
have
field
trip
guides.
Unfortunately,
the
big
boys
up
the
street
at
the
State
Archives
get
the
Alabama
4th
grade
history
classes
every
year,
but
my
point
is:
is
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
and
I?
C
A
C
C
A
As
we
continue
with
our
agenda
this
afternoon,
we
have
upcoming
presentations
we'd
like
to
encourage
our
other
commissioners
to
feel
free
to
come
before
this
body
and
give
us
a
feel
for
what's
going
on
in
your
professional
life
or
to
invite
someone
who
can
come
before
us
and
have
something
that
you
feel
the
viewing
audience
would
have
an
interest
in.
So
with
that
being
said,
do
we
have
any
suggestions
for
future
presentations?
A
E
D
A
E
D
B
So
in
your
packet,
you
do
have
the
call
for
nominations,
so
please
take
it
back
to
your
neighborhoods,
your
neighborhood
organizations,
and
what
we
have
sort
of
a
plan
here
where
we
will
launch
this
into
the
neighborhoods
through
bonds
and
then
through
our
history,
historic
neighborhood
coalition,
soliciting
nominations.
We've
got
a
panel
of
judges
who
will
look
over
them
like
they
did
last
year
and
actually
make
the
final
decisions.
We
don't
it's
it's
structured,
but
we
also
have
a
little
bit
of
room
to
look
around
for
projects
as
well.
B
We've
got
residential
projects
that
come
under
several
different
headings
and
we
also
have
commercial
projects.
We're
looking
at
craftspeople
to
people
who
are
outstanding
in
their
work
and
then
other
types
of
recognitions
is
well
just
sort
of
a
miscellaneous
for
of
areas
for
people
to
be
acknowledged
to
also
in
other
arenas
of
the
historic
preservation
movement.
B
So
it's
outlined
pretty
much
in
this
nomination
in
our
we
will
take
nominations
until
April
the
6th
and
then
that
will
give
us
some
time
to
review
them
and
then
have
our
winners
in
here
for
our
wards
presentation
on
May,
the
8th,
which
would
be
our
May
HPC
meeting
and
also
basically,
this
is
our
observance,
Montgomerys
observance
of
historic
preservation
month
as
well.
So
if
anybody
has
any
questions,
you
can
either
check
in
with
me
or
Kristy,
and
we.