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A
We
record
the
Minister
for
legal
purposes,
and
this
is
the
only
way
to
pick
up
audio
good
afternoon.
Welcome
to
this
meeting
of
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission,
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
is
a
nine-member
board
appointed
by
the
City
Council
and
serves
on
the
voluntary
basis
without
compensation.
A
Our
procedure
for
conducting
business
is
for
the
petitioner,
for
each
item
will
be
asked
to
come
forward
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
present
his
or
her
request.
The
board
would
ask
any
questions
aboard
may
have
once
public
testimony
and
discussion
for
particular
item
has
concluded.
The
members
of
the
board
will
deliberate
and
will
render
its
decision
members
with
a
personal
financial
interest
in
any
interests
or
any
item
are
required
to
recuse
themselves
from
voting
I.
A
A
And
I'm
Richard
Baylor,
the
chairperson
of
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
and
I,
would
like
to
think,
as
we
normally
do
with
our
meetings
and
when
we
began
to
think
miss
Chrissy
Anderson
from
the
city,
planning,
control
staff
or
taking
the
time
out
to
come
to
our
meetings
and
Miss
Paula
Richardson,
also
from
the
planning
control
staff
who
routinely
on
Monday
mornings,
called
each
member
of
this
body
to
determine.
If
that
member
plans
to
attend
our
meetings
and
I
would
like
to
thank
each
one
of
our
commissioners
other
commissioners
for
either
return
of
routinely.
A
Returning
her
calls
or
answering
the
phone
when
Paula
Richardson
gives
your
callers
a
quorum
of
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
consists
of
five
members
of
the
nine-member
board.
It
takes
five
votes
of
the
Historic
Preservation
compiler
members
in
attendance
to
take
action
on
each
item
either
for
approval
or
denial.
A
Again
welcome
mr.
Walter
Bush
senior,
who
has
just
come
in,
and
would
you
like
to
introduce
yourself
I
just
did,
but
if
you
just
say
it
again
or
I
speaking
time
right
there
written
for
the
mic,
Walter
Bush,
okay,
all
right!
The
chair
will
now
entertain
a
motion
for
the
adoption
of
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting.
So
move.
B
A
Others
all
those
in
favor
that
have
you
know
about
show
of
hands
motion
carried.
If
we
begin
our
meeting
this
afternoon,
we
have
before
us
our
petitioner,
ms
Naomi
snip.
She
here.
Yes,
would
you
come
to
the
podium?
Please
she's
from
Capitol
Heights,
historic
district
in
the
location
to
property,
21:43,
Madison,
Avenue
and
she's,
asking
for
a
historic
plaque
for
that
problem.
Good
afternoon,
ma'am.
C
A
C
E
Plaque
covers
both
sides.
It's
up
to
you
all
to
determine
if
something
qualifies
for
historic
building
sign,
which
is
one
that
has
relatively
few
alterations
or
a
historic
district
sign,
which
means
it's
been
altered,
but
it
is
part
of
a
district,
and
there
button
is
at
least
50
years
old
and
thereby
may
qualify
for
a
sign
I.
C
C
E
A
C
C
E
Indicate
that
I
don't
know
the
county
tax
records.
All
the
property
tax
records
have
a
section
on
buildings
on
the
property
and
the
county
has
given
each
building
an
estimated
construction
date,
and
some
of
them
will
have
a
date
if
there's
been
a
significant
alteration
or
addition
to
that
building,
and
it
shows
up
in
parentheses
after
that
date.
A
E
C
A
There
be
no
further
questions
or
comments.
First
of
all,
let
me
just
say
to
you
ma'am
how
much
we
appreciate
your
coming
before
us.
The
fact
that
you've
been
there
only
a
little
over
a
year,
really
speaks
volume
for
your
interest
in
this
property,
and
we
just
want
to
underscore
that
point
and
encourage
you
to
come
back
and
just
let
us
know
how
you're
doing
or
give
us
an
update
if
you
will.
A
A
C
E
A
C
A
Here,
but
we
understand
that
at
the
last
minute
he
was
unable,
or
he
is
unable
to
come
to
for
us
for
our
April
meeting.
We
would
have
a
presentation
by
miss
Carol,
Keene,
50
years
of
preservation
in
Montgomery
and
we're
looking
forward
to
that
presentation
very
much.
We
like
to
encourage
our
audience
to
please
tune
in
for
that
April
meeting.
We
have
with
us
another
guest
this
afternoon
and
we
don't
want
to
go
too
far
without
allowing
their
gifts
and
just
take
the
time
and
just
tell
us
something
about
yourself.
Are
you
here
for
mr.
A
D
First
of
all,
I
want
to
apologize
for
being
willfully
unprepared
for
the
scope
of
a
presentation
that
was
originally
scheduled
to
be
given
by
Douglas
Watson,
who
was
the
director
of
the
city
of
st.
Jude's.
My
name
is
William
Ford.
Most
people
call
me
Bill
and
I
am
the
president
in
st.
Jude,
Alumni
Association
and
12
year
student
at
the
city
of
saying
it's
st.
Jude's
educational
institute,
which
was
part
of
the
city
of
st.
Jude.
D
I,
really
also
want
to
apologize
for
being
an
artist
with
no
visual
aids,
which
is
my
father,
who
was
an
art
teacher
uses
chastised
me
whenever
I
didn't
have
a
pencil.
He
thought
that
was
a
high
tone.
We've
done
and
see
a
ridiculousness
for
an
artist
not
to
have
a
pencil
and
I'm
sure
he
would
say
right
now,
boy,
you
trying
to
give
him
presentation
anyway.
Have
any
visual
aids
in
here
in
arts,
a
visual
artist,
so
I
apologize
for
that
too.
D
But
this
this,
this
was
kind
of
put
in
my
lap
dropped
in
my
lap
home
on
Saturday,
and
the
general
consensus
was
that
having
me
show
up
was
better
than
having
nobody
show
up
so
I'm
here
and
I
have
to
confess
that
the
scope
or
the
the
focus
of
this
presentation
was
unknown
to
me
as
well,
and
so
that
most
of
the
stuff
I
have
to
say.
It
basically
relates
to
st.
Jude's
educational
institute.
D
But
now
that
I'm
here
and
I
see
that
that
we're
talking
about
the
history
of
the
city
of
Montgomery,
vias
buildings
and
and
the
preservation
of
those
buildings,
I
can
certainly
attest
to
to
some
of
the
features
at
city
of
st.
Jews.
And
so
let
me
just
kind
of
launch
into
some
some
notes.
I
took
as
most
of
you
probably
know,
city
of
st.
D
The
church
was
established
in
1938
and
the
school
was
originally
in
the
basement
of
the
church.
There
were
eight
classrooms.
Those
classrooms
still
exists
in
the
basement
of
the
church.
Now,
prior
to
opening
the
school
father
Cassell
had
a
had
a
medical
facility
on
on
Hope
Street
that
he
operated
for
several
years
while
he
was
having
his
church
and
his
hospital
and
his
educational
facility
erected.
D
So
the
social
center
was
built
in
1939
and
the
school
separate
from
the
one
that
was
in
the
basement
of
the
church
was
established
in
1947
and
it
opened
with
approximately
325
students,
the
gymnasium
and
the
cafeteria
were
constructed
in
1963.
That
just
constantly
happens
to
be
when
my
matriculation
was
there
and
I
remember
when
we
finally
got
a
full-size
cafeteria
and
a
cap
and
a
gymnasium,
and
we
were
pretty
excited
about
that
at
that
time.
I
was
10
years
old
and
I.
D
Think
I
was
in
the
fifth
grade,
something
like
that
and
as
I
stated,
the
hospital
or
was
established
in
in
1951
and
it
operated
through
1985
and
the
the
oldest,
the
oldest
children
of
dr.
Martin
Luther
King
were
born
in
the
hospital,
and
it
was
the
first
hospital
that
actually
had
an
integrated
staff
as
well.
D
One
of
the
significant
events
in
st.
Jude's
history
was
he
was
the
knight
of
the
stars
as
they
call
it.
When
the
assailant
of
Montgomery
March
took
place
and
approximately
10,000
marchers
camped
out
on
the
grounds
of
st.
Jude's
and
for
entertainment.
That
night
they
had
a
bunch
of
luminaires
plethora
of
luminaries,
Peter,
Paul
and
Mary.
D
The
Harry
Belafonte
Harry
Belafonte,
quite
a
few
I,
think
even
Marlon
Marlon
Brando
was
there
I
was
my
parents
were
kind
of
strict,
they
did
not
allow
me
to
attend,
but
but
I
kind
of
soaked
in
the
ambience
I
remember
the
day.
The
marches
came
over
the
hill
coming
down
fair
view
and
we
actually
were
in
class
and
they
didn't
let
us
out
for
school,
the
nuns
and
let
us
out
and
I,
remember
distinctly
being
in
my
in
a
science
class
and
the
nuns
instructed
us
not
to
look
out
the
window.
D
Keep
your
eyes
forward
and
keep
your
mind
on
your
lesson,
but
I
managed
to
keep
my
head
this
way
and
my
eyes
were
going
that
way
and
I
distinctly
remember.
Seeing
Martin
Luther
King
lead
them
the
marches
he
was
very
distinctive.
His
head
was
looked
like.
It
was
as
big
as
the
circle
on
in
front
of
it
that
in
if
it's
there,
it's
just
incredible
and
I'll.
Never
forget
that
day,
but
st.
jude's
was
more
than
a
school
for
us
it
was
it
was.
It
was
a
way
of
life.
D
In
addition
to
a
bit
of
the
history
of
st.
jude's,
that
extends
beyond
the
the
actual
school
itself
and
the
end,
the
city
of
st.
jude's
was
when
mobile
Heights
was
being
proposed
and
and
the
City
Planning
Commission
had
meetings.
And
it
was
vigorously
opposed
by
the
residents
of
Ridge
crepes.
They
thought
that
it
would
bring
down
the
value
of
the
homes
and
rereads
crests,
and
they
also
said
that
it
would
overload
the
water
mains.
D
Jews,
went
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
he
stood
up
and
gave
them
a
piece
of
his
mind
and
told
him
that
all
men
were
created
equal
and
that
that
there
was
no
threat
to
the
residents
of
Ridgecrest
by
the
proposed
community
and
mobile
Heights.
Ironically,
I
was
born
and
raised
in
mobilize.
So
all
this
kind
of
kind
of
is
is
a
backdrop
to
my
life.
You
know.
Mobile
Heights
and
st.
jude's
were
very
important
in
in
my
development.
D
Just
this
past
weekend,
one
of
my
longtime
friends
passed.
He
was
a
realtor.
His
name
was
Frank
Taylor,
his
dad
on
the
cleaners
on
the
west
side
of
Montgomery,
and
they
had
his
funeral
at
st.
Jude's
and
everybody
that
got
up
and
spoke.
Most
of
them
were
classmates
from
st.
Jude's
or
some
of
his
childhood
friends
from
obeah
Heights,
and
they
they
invoke
both
those
names.
They
said
mobile,
Heights
and
st.
Jude's.
They
almost
went
in
tandem
out
of
everybody's
mouth.
That
was
part
of
the
village
that
raised
all
of
us
children.
We
were.
D
We
were
proud
to
be
residents
of
mobile
Heights
and
students
at
st.
Jude's.
Now
when
I
started
at
st.
Jude's-
and
it
was
funny
I
didn't
know,
Father
Purcell
was
dead
because
the
nuns
talked
about
him
like
he
was
still
alive.
He
had
passed
before
I
got
school,
he
had
already
passed,
I
think
he
passed
in
1950,
57
or
56
and
I
started
school
in
1959,
but
they
talked
about
it.
His
presence
was
so
tangible
and
real
on
campus
that
only
until
I
actually
went
out
and
saw
his
gravesite
behind
the
church
that
I
realized.
D
He
was
deceased
because
they
talked
about
him
in
the
president's
present
tense
and
the
the
model
over
the
the
school
that's
over.
The
doorway
is
not
what
you
have,
but
you,
and
they
they
drum
that
into
our
heads.
It
was
not
important
what
material
possessions
you
had,
but
it
was
the
character
that
you
had
within.
That
was
important,
and
then
the
interesting
thing
about
that
is.
D
That
is
something
that
resonates
regardless
of
what
your
ethnicity
is,
what
your,
what
your
sexual
orientation
is,
whatever
your
your
religion
is,
is
it's
the
integrity
that
you
have
as
a
human
being.
That
makes
you
a
worthwhile
citizen
of
your
community
and
of
this
country,
and
so
we
were
that
kind
of
information
and
that
kind
of
attitude
was
ingrained
in
us.
Every
day
we
spent
at
st.
Jude's
now
the
architecture
of
st.
Jude's
is
so
unique.
D
Some
of
my
classmates
who
were
in
the
church
on
Saturday
hadn't,
been
in
there
in
a
while,
and
they
were
all
looking
around
saying.
I
love
this
church.
The
stained
glass
windows
are
incredible.
The
the
marble
that
some
floor
is
incredible.
The
structure
itself
is
just
awe-inspiring
and
we
were
very
proud
of
that
church.
We
were
proud
of
the
school
and
and
even
the
uniforms
we
had
to
where
we
took
pride
in
those
uniforms
too.
D
D
Jude's
in
Sanju's
educational
institute,
I
just
wanted
to
read
a
list
of
some
of
the
people
who
graduated
from
there
Thomasina
Rogers
McGill,
who
was
appointed
to
the
federal
job,
safety
and
health
tribunal
by
President,
Bill
Clinton,
and
she
continued
to
hold
that
position
under
President
Bush
and
Obama
she's.
A
graduate
of
Northwestern
and
Columbia
School
of
Law
Michael
German
is
the
hood
field
director
for
the
state
of
Georgia,
and
he
also
held
that
position
for
the
state
of
Alabama.
Up
until
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
Michael
Green,
the
st.
D
Jude
graduate
is
starting
forward
for
the
Memphis
Grizzlies
of
the
NBA,
the
National
Basketball
Association.
We
had
dr.
rachet
Richardson
who's,
a
professor
of
African
American
literature
at
at
Cornell,
University
and
she's.
Also,
a
visual
artist
mayor,
Jerome
antone,
the
mayor
of
georgeanna
Alabama's
is
st.
Jude's
graduate,
as
is
the
late
Beverly,
Ross
I'm
sure.
Most
of
you
remember,
Beverly
Ross.
She
was
a
longtime
member
of
the
Montgomery
school
board
and
Ella
Belle
who's.
A
member
of
the
state
school
board
is
a
st.
D
D
We
have
an
annual
grand
reunion
that
we've
been
doing
now
for
17
years
and
it
started
out
in
the
in
the
school
gym,
and
then
it
went
to
the
Knights
of
Peter
Claver
Hall
on
good
Street
until
they
just
they
destroyed
that
and
once
the
schools
closed
we
started
having
it
off-site
and
this
past
November.
We
we
had
it
at
the
Renaissance,
Hotel
and
Spa,
and
over
400
people
attended.
So
we've
come
a
long
way.
D
We
we
honored
a
gentleman
this
past
grand
reunion
by
the
name
of
Walter,
L,
Busch
I,
think
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
him.
I
think
his
his
father
sits
on
this
commission
and
and
Henry
Pugh
sulu
tears,
also
a
st.
jude's
graduate.
So
we
we
feel
like
we.
We
feel
strongly
that
the
city
of
st.
Jude's
is
is
really
an
important
edifice
in
the
city
of
Montgomery
is
historic,
I
dare
say
the
greatest
night
of
entertainment
in
this
city's
history
took
place
on
the
grounds
of
saying
jude's.
D
There
is
a
statue
in
the
foyer
of
st.
jude's
that
was
done
by
Richmond
Barth,
a
who
is
a
leading
proponent
of
the
Harlem
Renaissance.
He
was
the
first
person
of
color
to
have
his
works
in
the
Metropolitan
Museum
of
Art.
He
was
a
sculptor
and
he
had
a
bronze
sculptor
in
his
studio.
A
blunt
bronze
sculpture
in
the
studio
and
father
Paseo
went
in
and
saw
it
and
he
told
Richmond
Bartha.
He
would
like
to
have
that
at
st.
Jude's
and
Richmond
Bart.
D
They
told
him
if
he
paid
to
have
it
cast
that
he
would
defer
his
his
artist
fee
and
so
father
Paseo
got
some
people
together
and
they
raised
$1,000
to
have
that
statue
cast
is
larger
than
life
and
in
1984,
when
this
book
was
written
beyond
mere
City
to
cast
a
22
inch
figure
would
call
$1,600.
So
you
can
imagine
what
it
would
cost
to
cast
his
stature
now.
It's
it's
incredible
and
based
on
my
knowledge
of
art,
I
think
it's
probably
the
most
expensive
piece
of
sculpture
in
in
the
city
of
Montgomery.
D
To
this
day,
and
very
few
people
know
that
so
between
the
historical
significance
of
the
site,
the
building,
the
the
artwork
that's
in
the
building
and
in
the
church,
I
think
st.
Jude's,
the
city
of
st.
Jude's
is
a
is
really
a
jewel
when
it
comes
to
places
to
see
and
places
of
importance
and
historical
significance
in
in
Montgomery.
Mr.
A
D
Wow,
it's
it's!
It's
a
big
legacy
to
live
up
to
I,
have
to
I,
have
to
admit,
I.
D
Think
that
everything
that
I
have
accomplished
in
my
life
was
either
something
that
was
instilled
in
me
by
my
parents.
My
parents
were
extraordinary
human
beings.
Both
of
them
were
educators.
I
in
my
in
my
career,
I
spent
most
of
my
career
in
broadcasting,
but
I
I
fought
for
a
while
for
a
short
while
I
was
a
substitute
teacher
and
I.
Remember
the
first
day,
I
came
home.
D
I
looked
at
both
my
parents
and
said
you
both
need
to
be
canonized
by
the
Pope,
because
they
both
did
it
for
30
and
40
years,
and
I
I
was
just
astounded,
and
so
my
parents
were
big
influence,
but
st.
Jude's
was
a
way
a
place
that
fostered
there
was
never
any
intimation
or
or
inference
that
we
could
not
achieve
at
the
highest
levels.
D
They
prepared
us
for
every
contingency,
I,
remember
starting
in
high
school.
We
we
had
to
learn
25
new
vocabulary,
words
every
week
and
use
them
in
a
sentence,
and
even
today,
I
sometimes
use
words
and
people.
Look
at
me
like
where'd,
you
get
that
from
and
and
or
you're
trying
to
impress
somebody,
but
no
it's
just
that
we
had
to
use
them.
I
mean
words
like
oscul
late
for
kissing.
You
know,
as
a
young
boy
that
was
that
was
one
of
my
favorites
yeah
I
used.
D
You
know
I
used
to
use
that
one
that
was
part
of
my
pickup
line.
Would
you
like
to
go
out
behind
the
building
and
oscul
eight
so,
but
st.
Jude's
was
was
incredible.
It
was
a
a
legacy
and
it
and
to
see
people
like
Thomasina,
Rogers
and
Michael
German,
and
one
thing
I
left
out
was
our
incredible
history.
When
it
came
to
sports
in
in
the
state
of
Alabama,
st.
Jews
was
even
though
we
were
small,
that
was,
our
sports
model
was
small
but
mighty,
even
though
our
to
our
enrollment
was
small.
D
We
we
competed
at
the
highest
levels
of
whatever
classification
we
were
in
up
until
winning
back-to-backs
basketball
championships
the
year
they
closed
the
school
and
they
had
enough
talent
on
that
squad
that
year
to
beat
three
Pete's,
they
would
have
three
peated
I'm
sure.
But
in
my
career,
I
I
read
off
a
list
of
people
who
some
of
the
people
we
honor
every
every
year.
Our
grand
reunion
and
I
still
don't
know
how.
D
The
way
they
told
us
at
st.
Jude's,
the
way
they
presented
it
to
us
at
st.
Jude's
is
like
whatever
you
do,
do
to
the
best
of
your
ability.
So
when
I
started
at
WSFA,
I
was
a
production
technician,
I
started
WSFA
part-time
I
got
a
job
because
of
two
things:
I
took
title
in
high
school
because
I
didn't
want
to
take
algebra
and
so
I
took
typing,
and,
and
so
when
I
got
the
job
at
WSFA.
I
got
the
job
because
they
said
they
needed.
D
Somebody
who
type
and
not
make
mistakes
and
I
was
never
a
fast
typer,
but
I
always
because
that
was
one
thing
they
taught
us
at
st.
Jude's,
punctuation
and
correct
spelling
was
important
and
within
less
than
in
nine
months,
I
was
a
stage
manager
and
then
I
moved
from
stage
manager
to
art
director
when
I
was
our
director
for
twenty-one
years,
and
so
my
my
my
career
is
a
direct
result
of
what
I
learned
it
at
st.
Jude's.
It
was
all
about
excellence
and
do
everything
that
you
undertake
to
the
best
of
your
ability.
D
So
I,
still
a
little
part
of
me
dies
inside
every
time.
I
pass
by
that
school
and
I
see
it
closed,
and
that's
the
dream
of
every
st.
jude's
graduate
is
to
see
those
doors
reopen.
So
we
have
not
given
up
hope
and
hopefully,
in
a
not
too
distant
future,
we'll
be
able
to
see
the
doors
reopen.
But
st.
Jews
has
meant
a
lot
to
me
in
my
life
and
it's
it's
a
legacy
and
a
standard
that,
even
to
the
day
that
they
closed,
they
had
students
who
were
who
were
in
the
National
Honor
Society.
D
We're
getting
full
scholarships
to
some
of
the
best
universities
in
the
city
and
around
the
country,
so
it's
a
legacy
that
father
Purcell
started
and
and
and
it
was
a
legacy
that
every
saint
Jews
graduate
attempts
to
uphold
one
other
one.
Other
thing
many
years
for
many
years
always
wondered
how
st.
jude's
ended
up
with
the
nickname,
the
Pirates
for
Catholic
school.
D
That
always
seemed
odd
to
me
and
incongruous,
until
I
was
reading,
that
father
Purcell
being
a
native
of
Pennsylvania,
attended,
seminary
and
Pittsburgh,
and
his
favorite
baseball
team
was
more
than
likely
to
Pittsburgh
Pirates,
which
is
why
I
think
I
don't
have
any
confirmation
of
that.
But
I
can't
think
of
any
other
reason
why
Catholic
school
would
have
a
pirate
as
its
mascot.
So
thank
you
for
listening
to
me
ramble
and
through
you.
B
C
Would
certainly
appreciate
your
being
here
and
I.
Also
sharing
your
feelings
about
the
closing
of
saves.
You,
it
doesn't
seem
right,
doesn't
seem
fair.
In
fact,
it
doesn't
seem
brother
when
you
passed
man,
you
just
thank
you
so
and
also
we
were.
We
are
grateful
for
your
presence
here
and
as
far
as
your
success,
we
don't
think
that
typing
and
the
omission
of
algebra
has
anything
to
do
with.
You
know
successful
successful
tenure
at
SFA,
and
also
we
like
to
thank
you
for
being
an
ambassador
ambassador
plenipotentiary,
of
course,
that
goes
without
portfolio.
C
A
A
Made
it
a
point
of
showing
a
parallel
between
Hera
Purcell
and
Booker
T
Washington,
he,
the
person
who
came
from
Northern
points
to
the
south
to
make
a
difference,
and
it
is
really
interesting
and
impressive
that
the
personnel
at
st.
Jude
would
speak
father
Pursell
in
the
present
tense
and
the
point
is
we
don't
want
to
minimize
at
all
the
role
of
father
for
sale?
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,.
D
C
C
D
D
D
B
A
Proceed
with
our
agenda
for
this
afternoon,
Working
Committee
for
a
historic
sign
program,
Cindy,
keeping
Carole,
King
and
Brian
man
who
will
report
in
April
at
our
meeting
regarding
our
historic
sign,
and
we
need
to
appoint
some
personnel
for
our
committees.
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
accept
volunteers,
while
application
review
and
selection
committee
is
anyone
who
would
like
to
volunteer
for
that
committee.
E
A
E
B
A
E
This
would
be
coming
up
with
a
press
release.
The
city
communications
office
would
distribute
that
to
media
outlets,
but
if
anybody
has
contacts
with
WSFA
or
carolyn
Hutchison
to
do
an
InFocus
segment
and
I
can't
remember
what
we
did
for
invitations
last
year,
we
did
printed
something
and
mailed
them.
They've
got
a
mailing
list,
sort
of
the
classic
right.
E
B
B
A
E
C
B
B
B
A
E
D
E
E
Again
or
certificates-
and
we
have
a
small
budget,
we
can't
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
food.
We
got
a
cake
last
year.
I
still
have
a
lot
of
paper.
Products
left
over
that
are
in
an
HPC
awards
box.
In
my
cube,
so
we'd
probably
have
about
100
to
150
dollars.
We
can
spend
on
that
sort
of
thing,
so
we
Carol
and
I
made
little
finger
sandwiches
and
we
had
punch
and.
E
B
B
C
A
C
A
A
E
This
this
is
something
that
has
come
up
on
my
list
of
things
we
could
do
for
several
years.
'mobile
has
a
six-week
program
that
they
offer
where,
for
an
hour
to
an
hour
and
a
half
a
week
that
they
have
what
they
call
their
preservation
leadership
class,
and
it
consists
of
talking
about
architecture
and
architectural
history,
the
historic
neighborhoods,
the
rules
and
regulations,
the
laws
that
allow
districts
to
be
regulated.
E
We
talked
about
possibly
doing
how
to
do
an
architectural
survey,
how
to
read
buildings
and
look
for
clues
that
indicate
how
buildings
have
been
altered
over
time.
They
wrap
up,
they
do
a
tour
of
a
building,
that's
under
under
renovation
and
then
their
last
class
they
meet
and
they
have
a
picnic
in
Magnolia
Cemetery,
so
I
mean.
C
E
A
A
B
B
E
E
E
C
B
B
B
A
In
our
next
meeting,
let's
see
if
we
can
attach
some
finality
some
definition
to
this
whole
idea
and
if
you're
not
comfortable
with
it,
let
us
know
and
what,
in
other
words,
whatever
concerns
you
have.
If
you
bring
those
well
next
meeting,
so
we
can
kick
it
around
and
see
if
how
far
we
can
go
with
the
preservation
preservation,
leadership,
class,
okay
and.
E
A
E
Make
some
of
the
additions
that
Carol
and
I
have
talked
about
that
would
be
good
tweaks
to
it
and
include
that
as
part
of
your
next
agenda
packet,
so
it'll
give
you
something
to
look
at
to
start
looking
at
a
structure
and
think
about
things
that
can
be
added
or
if
you
think
something
makes
sense
to
come
before.
Another
thing
we
can
start
talking
about.
You
know
what
is
the
logical
progression
of
information
to
build
on
in
doing
this.
A
As
we
depart
prepared
to
the
parties
after
noon,
let
me
just
say
something
about
the
awards
program
for
2017.
That
program
was
well
attended.
It
was
a
success.
We
had
much
food,
everybody
I
noticed
very
few
people
left
when
the
program
was
ended.
There
were
people
around
for
at
least
45
minutes
to
an
hour
after
the
program
and
for
me
that's
a
clear
indication
that
people
were
really
enjoying
themselves.
A
So
what
we
want
to
do
for
2018
is
something
similar,
if
not
something
more
than
what
we
did
for
2017
in
terms
of
making
our
awards
program
a
success,
and
it
all
depends
on
the
corporation
that
we
got
last
year
that
we
expect
to
receive
this
year
as
well
as
we
prepare
to
leave.
Is
there
anything?
Any
Commission
would
like
to
say
that
you
may
have
like
to
bring
to
our
attention
I.
E
Would
just
like
to
add
you
know,
as
we
move
forward,
I
mean
the
the
awards
program
does
not
have
to
maintain
the
same
format.
You
know
we're
talking
about
adding
a
graduation
for
a
preservation,
Leadership
Program
as
part
of
it.
One
of
the
things
we
have
talked
about
it
kind
of
toyed
with
early
on
was
whether
or
not
we
could
get
like
the
arts
magnet
involved.
E
With
some
of
this,
the
Historical
Society's
looked
at
having
some
sort
of
historic
art,
competition,
and
maybe
a
partnership
with
them
where
you
have
art
on
display
that
is
related
to
historic
architecture,
becomes
part
of
the
program
too.
So
we're
kind
of
widening
the
circle
of
what
all
we
touch
in
terms
of
history
and
historic
preservation,
so
I
know
I
know
several
of
you
were
not
here
when
we
did
this
last
year,
but
we're
taking
baby
steps.
E
But
if
there
are
things
that
you
think
would
bring
in
more
people
involve
more
people,
please
feel
free
to
bring
it
up
next
year,
not
this
year.
I
can't
handle
this
year,
but
where
there
may
be
some
partnerships,
we
want
to
look
at
to
make
it
a
bigger
program
and
ultimately
make
it
something
that
people
actually
want
to
come
to.
A
C
B
Wanted
to
invite
everybody
and
I've
got
a
few
flowers
fly
us
here,
The
Renovators
happy
hour.
Our
next
one
is
on
Thursday
March,
the
29th
and
we'll
actually
be
looking
at
one
of
the
four
sisters
houses
if
you're
familiar
with
them.
They
were
built
by
dr.
Bob,
went
on
South
Perry
Street,
just
south
of
a
First
Baptist
Church.
There
we'll
be
looking
at
it's
actually
in
420
420
South,
Perry
Street,
mr.
G
sees
sort
of
halfway
through
the
restoration
he's
doing
on
the
exterior.