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From YouTube: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION (8/09/22)
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Historic Preservation Commission
Date:
08/09/2022 5:30 PM - 6:30 PM
Location:
Montgomery City Hall
103 North Perry Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36104
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
I. Approval of Actions from the June 14, 2022
II. National Alliance of Preservation Commissions Conference report
III. Mapco update (if any)
IV. Other business
V. On this day:
• 1803: Robert Fulton tests his steam paddleboat on the River Seine, France. The boat sank.
• 1859: Otis Tufts patents the first passenger elevator in the US
A
A
B
A
James
long
michelle
browder,
thank
you
very
much
and
I'd
like
to
encourage
each
other,
commissioner
to
speak
directly
into
the
microphone,
because
our
meetings
are
recorded.
Excuse
me
to
our
other
commissioners.
You
have
in
your
package
the
minutes
of
the
june
14
2022
meeting,
and
the
chair
will
now
entertain
a
motion
for
the
adoption
of
those
minutes.
I
move.
A
A
E
E
So
napc
is
really
the
where
the
rubber
hits
the
road
conference,
and
there
were
a
few
things
that
I
think
are
duplicable
here
and
also
you
know,
as
as
you
may
not
be
surprised,
sometimes,
recommendations
that
come
from
staff
are
not
taken
as
seriously
as
recommendations
from
people
outside,
because
you
all
are
the
experts
in
this.
So
if
there
are
things
you
know,
we've
talked
about
an
annual
work
plan.
E
The
the
podcast
is
put
together
by
a
woman
who
works
for
the
cincinnati
preservation
association
and
they
have
a
staff
of
four
in
their
preservation
non-profit
in
in
cincinnati,
and
we
we
have
had
discussions
with
troy
public
radio
about
podcasts
sounds
like
landmarks.
Is
getting
ready
to
do
some
things
you
know?
Is
there
an
opportunity
and
I
think
dallas
you've
done
podcasts
too?
Haven't
you.
E
E
They
put
out
like
coloring
book
images
of
buildings,
with
information
on
the
back
and
a
qr
code
for
endangered
properties,
landmarks
that
they
wanted
people
to
be
aware
of
to
save,
and
I
think
I
can't
remember
if
they
gave
out
two
examples
and
I
only
took
one.
I
can't
remember
if
this
is
the
one
that
got
torn
down
or
if
it
was
the
other
one,
but
again
we
can
get.
We
can
apply
for
grant
funds
to
develop
an
activity
book
about
architecture.
You
know
get
to
know.
E
Architecture
in
your
neighborhood
we've
talked
about
a
coloring
book
that
could
go
to
elementary
schools
to
teach
them
about
the
buildings
they
live,
among
so
think
about
these
as
potential
grant
application
opportunities,
because
you
know
our
budget
cycle
starts
october
1..
We
have
to
start
putting
together
budget
numbers
in
march
and
april
of
next
year
to
get
that
approved
prior
to
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
we're
really
only
six
or
seven
months
away
from
that
process.
Starting
so
keep
that
in
mind.
E
There
were
a
number
of
cities,
it
was
a
session
called
bucks
for
bricks
and,
unfortunately,
bucks
for
bricks
was
at
the
same
time
as
how
beer
saved
a
neighborhood.
So
I
didn't
get
to
go
to
the
brewery
present,
how
brewery
brought
back
a
commercial
neighborhood,
but
there
are
a
couple
cities
that
have
line
items
for
repairs
and
maintenance
issues
and
from
what
I
understand
most
of
this
is
not
cdbg,
which
is
the
traditional
ways.
These
sorts
of
things
have
been
funded,
which
means
it's
federal
money,
which
means
there
are
lots
of
strings
attached.
E
There
are
some
things
that
I'm
that
related
to
trades
and
and
ordinances,
and
probably
not
really
something
for
this
body
to
take
up
at
this
time,
but
I
did
also
meet
with
maurice
robinson
yesterday
at
asu
and
they
are
starting
to
offer
public
history
offerings
at
this
point.
It's
mostly
archival
coursework,
but
we
talked
about
how
we
could
incorporate
preservation
into
that
and
possibly
get
students
to
help.
E
Projects
and
activities
that
this
body
could
back
based
on
that
list
of
powers
and
duties
that
you
all
have
so
that
is,
we
just
had
that
meeting
yesterday.
So
again,
it's
it's.
It's
one,
more
thing
that
I'm
hoping
we
can
kind
of
again
pull
in
younger
people,
broaden
our
reach
in
the
community
and
look
for
ways
to
to
work
with
some
other
organizations.
E
E
The
old
first
methodist
church
on
dexter
had
an
estate
sale
a
few
years
ago
or
a
few
weeks
ago,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
likely
valiant
cross
will
take
over
that
space.
I
know
the
methodist
church
donated
the
church
in
my
neighborhood
and
the
outcome
has
not
been
particularly
good
for
a
designated
building
and
this
building
downtown's
designated
as
well.
So
I
think
we
need
to
also
start
thinking
about.
E
E
How
can
we
assist
people?
How
can
we
not
just
tell
people
no
but
offer
them
alternatives
or
help
them
find
alternative
uses
owners
opportunities
to
fulfill
their
outreach
mission
in
different
ways?
That
sort
of
thing
it
sounds
like
you
know,
10
years
ago,
when
churches
called
and
said,
do
you
know
of
any
grant
funds?
The
answer
was
just
no.
E
No,
you
know,
because
federal
entities
were
not
granting
money
to
religious
organizations,
not
without
setting
up
separate
foundations
that
care
for
the
you
know
the
building
maintenance
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
seems
to
be
loosening
a
bit.
There
are
specific
funds
for
churches
through
through
the
partners
for
sacred
places.
E
As
as
we,
we
try
to
help
revive
some
of
our
our
neighborhoods
to
help
folks
find
ways
to
make
use
of
these
buildings
and
not
just
see
them
torn
down
burned
down
whatever.
So
that's
my
soapbox
for
the
afternoon,
but
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
I
think
translate
to
the
types
of
activities
or
awareness
raising
that
the
hpc
could
do
and
I
just
wanted
to
plant
those
seeds
while
they
were
fairly
fresh.
E
C
E
Our
our
desire
is
to
kind
of
winnow
out
the
what
daily
life
was
like,
because
when
you
look
at
this
list
of
businesses
that
were
there,
these
people
didn't
have
to
leave
the
neighborhood.
All
their
daily
needs
were
met
within
walking
distance
of
where
they
lived
and
the
interstate
wiped.
Most
of
that
out
and
the
consequences
have
been,
you
know,
kind
of
unfolding
over
decades
of
just
how
that
unraveled
that
community.
E
So
it's
really
talking
about
what
it
was
like
to
be
able
to
walk
down
to
the
the
corner
grocery
or
to
go,
get
the
best
bologna
sandwich
at
this
shop,
so
that
that
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
were
were
kind
of
our
starting
points
to
talk
about
what
neighbors
did
for
one
another
and
what
they
remember
about
you
know,
maybe
maybe
my
mama
didn't
catch
me
doing
something,
but
if
ole
miss
so-and-so
down
the
street
caught
me,
she
she
was
gonna.
Whoop
me
like
she
was
my
mama,
which
is
what
you
know.
E
B
I
have
a
question
grant
money:
how
plentiful
is
it
for
like
elderly
like
when
you're
out
making
your
rounds,
and
you
see
a
home
that
needs
some
work,
but
elderly
people
are
in
there
that
can't
afford
it
rather
than
let
that
continue
to
decline.
The
property
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
help
them
with
grant
money
to
main
to
bring
it
back
the
maintenance
level
back
up
so
that
when
they
eventually
do
pass
their
children
just
aren't
let
the
house
sit
and
go
into
even
further
repair
to
the
point
where
we
lose
a
house.
E
E
E
Most
of
what
they
did
was
commercial
development
in
the
old
warehouse
district,
but
it
was
immediately
adjacent
to
the
governor's
mansion
and
then
there
was
a
park.
That's
kind
of
up
on.
It
goes
up
a
hill
and
on
top
of
that
hill,
there's
a
neighborhood
called
arsenal
hill
and
it
wasn't
very
big,
but
you
had
a
lot
of
long-term
elderly
residents.
Housing
stock
dated
from
you
know
the
late
1880s
to
maybe
1920s
so
historic,
neighborhood
and
what
the
cdc
did
was
in
an
effort
to
not
gentrify
those
folks
out.
E
They
started
selling
off
some
of
the
the
lots
on
the
embankment
that
overlooked
the
river
and
part
of
downtown
for
high-end
construction,
and
they
took
a
portion
of
the
proceeds
of
the
sales
for
those
lots
to
fund
a
maintenance
program
for
those
residents
where
they
would
fix
porch
rails,
and
they
would
paint
the
exterior
of
the
house
and
make
sure
it
had
a
good
roof
on
it.
You
know
the
things
that
helped
seal
the
building
envelope.
E
Those
kind
of
issues
to
try
to
retain
the
integrity
of
the
neighborhood
make
sure
that
people
weren't
spending
money
they
didn't
have
and
try
and
try
to
help.
I
think
they
must
have
done
some
sort
of
like
tax
property
tax
freeze
on
the
property
for
a
certain,
usually
about
10-year
period,
to
ensure
that
you
don't
get
that
you
can't
afford
to
stay
there
anymore.
E
B
Well,
you
know
I
either
attend
or
watch
the
city
council
meetings
and
it
seems
like
there's
an
increase
of
properties
that
are
being
destroyed
because
of
the
lack
of
maintenance
on
them
and
stuff
and
that
they're
condemning
all
these
homes-
and
it
seems
like
it
would
be
money
well
spent
to
throw
a
layer
of
paint
on,
and
you
know,
perhaps
a
roof
to
preserve
that
property
so
that
it
doesn't
decline
like
that.
And
then
it
benefits
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
Obviously,.
E
And
it's
cheaper
to
rehab
these
old
houses
than
to
build
new
right,
and
you
know
when
the
city
built.
I
think
it
was
three
houses
behind
lanier
high
school.
As
part
of
that
linear
place
development,
it
was
supposed
to
be
affordable
housing.
It
was
hud
money.
So
there
were
certain
income
thresholds
that
you
couldn't.
You
had
to
be
within
a
certain
range,
but
the
cost
of
construction.
E
It
was
125
dollars,
a
square
foot
which
you
know
may
not
sound
bad.
I'm
renovating
a
house
in
my
neighborhood,
I'm
hoping
we'll
get
80
a
square
foot.
You
know
and
my
neighborhood
appraises
higher
than
the
properties
behind
the
near
high
school.
So
you
know
there's
there's
kind
of
a
disconnect
on
you
know
it's
it's!
The
short-term
solution.
E
You've
got
blight.
You've
got
people,
probably
occupying
properties
that
shouldn't
be
there.
You
have
activity
that
people
don't
want
and
the
short-term
solution
is
to
knock
the
building
down.
So
you
just,
but
then
you
start
eroding
the
fabric.
You
haven't
solved
the
problem.
The
problem
moves
to
the
next.
B
E
I
think
I
know
that
landmarks
has
applied
for
some.
What
arpa
money
was
it
arpa
money
to
do
something?
We've
talked
about
for
a
long
long
time
with
a
revolving
loan
fund,
where
you
can
take
properties,
and
maybe
you
rehab
them
or
you
find
a
willing
buyer,
and
when
you
sell
the
property
it
goes
back
into
the
fund
and
it
funds
the
next
project.
E
B
E
B
B
E
In
the
not
too
distant
past-
and
I
don't
know
that
this
is
still
the
case-
you
know
there
were
a
couple
of
folks
who
were
trying
to
even
just
donate
land
to
them
to
build
and
that
they
just
didn't
have
the
capacity
to
keep
up
with
all
the
property
people
were
trying
to
give
them
because
they
had
a
construction
program.
I
think
they
were
building
houses
out
in
north
pass
and
they
hadn't
built
that
out
yet
and
really
didn't
have
the
capacity
to
to
take
on
anything
else.
E
Now
that
said,
you
know
hands
on
river
region.
You
know,
maxwell
folks
are
always
looking
for
volunteer
opportunities
and
they
like
to
work.
You
know
so
I
mean
in
terms
of
getting
people
who
would
actually
kind
of
come
and
dig
in
and
do
something
if
something
like
that
was
organized.
I
think
we
could
get
warm
bodies
there
to
do
some
work.
E
And
even
you
know,
there
was
a
group
of
us
who
bought
a
house
in
in
my
neighborhood
several
years
ago.
I
think
carol
were
you
an
investor
because
the
city
was
going
to
demolish
it
and
it
was
on
a
corner
and
it's
on
madison
avenue,
and
it
was
something
people
were
going
to
drive
by
and
see
a
big
vacant
lot
and
we
organized
we
had
two
volunteer
days
and
we
had
people.
We
had
people
from
cloverdale.
E
E
B
E
That
at
the
deputy
mayor's
direction,
sanitation
came
by
with
a
big
claw
truck
hauled
off
all
the
debris
from
inside
the
house
hauled
off
all
the
the
yard
waste
from
outside
the
house,
so
we
were
really
able
to
and
had
tracy
larkin's
support
and
financial
support,
and
it
really
became
kind
of
a
rallying
point,
which
was
very
pleasantly
surprising.
So.
C
E
E
Economic
opportunity,
unless
you
could
get
so
much
land,
you
could
control
everything,
but
because
it
just
it,
it
starts
to
it's.
It's
like
pulling
the
thread
on
this
on
a
sweater.
Once
you
start
pulling
it
eventually,
you're
gonna
be
naked.
You
know,
you're,
not
you're,
not
gonna
have
a
sweater
left
and
that's
kind
of
what
it
looks
like.
B
A
E
E
It
seems
to
be
a
tool
that
people
have
have
put
in
place
to
retain
more
historic,
streetscapes
and
a
way
to
not-
and
at
least
this
is
certainly
by
and
large
the
case
in
montgomery-
to
continue
to
treat
poor
black
neighborhoods
as
blight.
You
know
that's
what
got
us
the
interstate
system.
That's
what
got
us
urban
renewal.
It
was
all
flight
clearance
you
know
and
and
who,
who
were
the
residents
in
montgomery
who
suffered
most
from
that
it
was.
It
was
in
the
african-american
community.
E
E
That
says:
okay,
this
this
building's
important.
It's
got
a
hole
in
the
roof,
we're
going
to
put
a
new
roof
on
it
and
we're
going
to
board
up
the
windows
and
we're
going
to
seal
it
up,
and
then
we
put
a
lien
on
it
for
the
amount
of
the
roof,
and
you
know
maybe
through
some
arrangement
the
lien
is
forgiven.
If
the
owner
decides,
you
know
it's
ayer's
property,
we're
just
gonna,
we're
gonna,
let
it
go
and
then
maybe
something
could
be
done
with
it.
E
E
F
E
E
E
C
E
A
C
C
A
B
C
C
D
E
But
again,
and-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
costs
are
to
get
it
on
something
like
spotify
or
you
know,
but
again,
if
you
do
that,
then
you
know.
If
there
is
a
fee,
then
that's
another
grant
opportunity.
You
know
we're
going
to
do
a
series
of
podcasts
we've
come
up
with
a
list
of
titles,
we're
going
to
do
neighborhoods
we're
going
to
talk
about
monroe
street,
we're
going
to
talk
about
downtown
business
district,
we're
going
to
split
that
into
two
and
it's
going
to
be.
E
You
know
monroe
street
versus
dexter
avenue
and
maybe
how
those
two
like
montgomery
fair.
You
know
how
did
that?
How
did
that
all
mix
together?
How
did
crest
that
went
through
to
both
streets
mix?
I
mean,
I
think
we
could
probably
write
a
grant
to
fund
some
of
that.
If
troy
public
radio
had
a
better
website-
and
you
know
since
they're
interested
it'd
be
great,
if
if
they
had
a
place
where
people
went
to
listen
to
podcasts,
I
wish
you
could
go
and
listen,
go
back
and
listen
to
carolyn
hutchison's.
D
C
D
The
publicity
is
easy,
though
I
mean
you
can
you
can
hire
a
publicist
to
do
that
on
a
as
needed
basis.
All
of
us
are
members
of
various
professional
organizations
where
we
should
be
pushing
it
anyway.
You
know
michelle,
for
example,
with
your
business
you're
touching
a
lot
of
different
lives
on
a
daily
basis.
I'm
working
at
the
county
archives
you're
at
landmarks,
getting
it
out.
There
is
not
hard
and
then
in
terms
of
where,
to
put
it
well
audio
files
get
big
quickly,
so
you
would
probably
need
to
pay.
D
C
C
D
E
And
again,
if
we
can
figure
out
what
some
of
these
costs
are,
I
can
make
a
budget
request.
I
mean
worst
case
scenario,
is
they
say
no
or
they
don't
give
us
all
the
money,
but
in
the
last
five
or
six
years,
when
I
put
in
for
travel,
I've
been
in
for
training
I've
put
in
to
pay
for
the
awards
program.
E
Nothing
has
ever
been
cut
because
we're
not
asking
for
an
outrageous
amount
of
money
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
So
you
know
we
just
have
to.
If
there
are
things
that
you
all
want
to
do,
we
need
to
put
some
numbers
to
it,
so
we
can
start
putting
together
those
budget
proposals,
so
we're
ready
in
march
or
april
to
say,
hey.
We
want
to
do
this,
we're
going
to
apply
for
this
grant
and
we
need
x
to
match
it.
E
E
C
E
You
I
don't
mean
me,
because
I'm
only
one
person
or
if
it's
something
that
we
want
to
pursue
and
we
want
to
say
okay,
part
of
this
is
going
to
be.
You
know
someone
with
a
young
brain
at
asu
and
we
want
them
to
be
our
intern.
That
helps
do
the
production.
You
know
that
could
be
a
piece
of
it
too
or
huntington,
or
you
know,
wherever
there's.
B
F
F
If
you
bring
in
alabama
shakespeare
festival,
we're
talking
about
historic
history
on
monroe
street,
there
could
be-
I
don't
know,
I
mean
there's
just
so
many
things
and
I'm
coming
from
a
creative
perspective,
but
there's
so
many
things
that
we
could
do
to
make
it
so
much
more
appealing
when
it
comes
down
to
the
art
or
when
it
comes
down
to
the
history.
If
you
were
to
bring
in
let's
say
we
just
bridged
the
gap
with
shakespeare
festival,
and
you
had
your
tour
here
on
monroe
street.
C
B
F
B
E
A
Yeah
that
that's
that's
the
job
that
we
have
before
us
and
let
me
give
you
a
solid
idea
of
what
we
are
saying
here
this
afternoon
about
two
months
ago.
I
believe
it
was
leadership
montgomery
brought
to
the
city
council
chamber
the
work
it
had
done
to,
shall
we
say:
rehabilitate
riemont
cemetery,
adjacent
to
lincoln
cemetery,
and
I
said
to
members
of
the
organization
after
the
meeting
that
if
someone
had
alerted
me
to
what
leadership
my
government
was
going
to
do
here.
A
When
you
talk
about
riemann
cemetery,
the
person
who
owned
reedmont
cemetery
his
office
was
right
in
front
of
us
in
the
100
block
monroe
street
eugene
jackson,
and
when
I
told
the
group
that
you
should
have
seen
the
goosebumps,
but
that's
our
job,
to
associate
to
connect
the
dots.
If
you
will
to
let
people
know
that
history
is
something
that
took
place
in
the
past,
but
history
is
still
alive
and
our
job
is
to
keep
it
alive
to
give
relevance
to
it.
If
you
will
so
that
people
will
see,
history
is
not
dull.
A
History
is
just
as
alive
as
we
make.
It
is
just
as
relevant
as
we
make
it,
and
our
job
is
to
make
it
relevant,
so
the
generation
after
us
will
become
adults
and
applaud
what
we
did
to
preserve
history
for
them,
and
they
in
turn,
will
do
an
excellent
job
of
preserving
history
for
the
generation
that
will
come
after
them
and
what
would
we
have?
A
A
So
this
is
our
task.
This
is
our
job
to
let
people
know
as
we
say
or
try
to
say
the
closing
of
our
meeting.
There
are
alternatives
to
demolishing
something
and
when
one
person
said
how
people
in
the
neighborhood
get
some
paint
and
put
on
something,
we
can
do
that
a
billing
doesn't
deteriorate
overnight.
A
It's
a
daily
process
and
all
we
have
to
do
is
to
arrest
that
deterioration
right,
show
interest
in
beautifying
our
neighborhoods
cleaning
up
our
streets.
If
you
will
and
letting
people
know
that
house
over
there
who
lives
in
that
house
at
one
point
how
prominent
that
family
was
that's
our
job,
any
other
business.
A
E
A
E
That
has
been
meant
something
in
this
community
for
a
long
time.
You
know
to
michelle's
point
about
how
do
you,
how
do
you
bridge
and
make
connections
with
other
organizations?
You
know
what's
what?
What
are
those
relationships
and
bridges
that
can
be
built
to
try
to
make
this
more
than
just
something
you
hope
someone
will
find
on
the
internet?
E
I
think
it's
interesting
personally
that
you
know,
for
you
know,
since
the
beginning
of
time,
people
have
that
storytelling
has
been
an
oral
tradition
and
then
you
know
now
now
we
then
you
go
to
school,
and
you
read
books
that
that
podcasts
have
have
just
taken
such
a
whole.
That's
that
aspect
of
storytelling
and
passing
on
that
knowledge
in
in
a
in
an
oral
tradition.
A
C
E
E
Probably
in
an
opportunity
zone,
so
I
mean
there:
are
there
there's
funding
for
the
private
market?
That's
probably
more
readily
available
than
for
an
institutional
use.
That's
not
to
say
there
isn't
any,
because
you
know.
Certainly
other
school
systems
have
revamped.
Lanier
is
awfully
big.
Have
there
was
a
school
in
columbia,
south
carolina
that
was
closed
and
they
were
going
to
turn
it
into
elder
housing
and
that
didn't
work
out
and
they
ended
up
renovating
it.
It
became
like
the
the
high-tech
high
school.
A
F
F
D
Yes,
yes,
so
the
montgomery
county
archives
is
part
of
a
three-year
grant
project
funded
by
the
national
archives
to
locate
and
digitize
and
make
available
online
antebellum
legal
records.
That
mention
enslaved
people
and
the
other
partners
include
the
university
of
mississippi,
mississippi,
state,
university
delta,
state
university,
the
columbus
lounge
public
library
and
the
historic
natchez
foundation,
and
the
project
is
called
the
lantern
project
with
the
idea
of
shedding
light
on
these
individuals
that
are
hiding
in
plain
sight
in
local
legal
records
across
the
southeast
and
we're
coming
to
the
end
of
that
project.
D
The
database
is
publicly
available
online,
but
we,
the
partner
institutions,
are
beginning
to
host
informational
sessions
on
what
the
project
is
and
how
to
use
the
lantern
project
database
and
on
august
30th,
beginning
at
9.
00
am
in
the
county
commission
chambers
here
in
montgomery
I'll,
be
hosting
a
one
of
these
informational
sessions.
D
We
ask
that
you
go
on
the
county
website
to
register
registration
is
free.
We
just
need
to
have
a
head
count
so
that
we
have
enough
handouts
and
if
you
can't
attend
in
person,
the
event
will
be
live
streamed
on
the
county,
youtube
and
facebook
page,
and
all
that
is
also
on
the
online
announcement
on
the
county
website.
So
I
urge
you
to
come
out
and
attend.
A
E
A
F
E
A
A
Yes,
yes,
people
people
might
want
to
know
these
things,
and
we
want
to
just
thank
you
for
doing
that,
and
we
also
want
to
thank
you,
christy
anderson
and
ms
javon
hines,
for
taking
time
out
from
your
busy
schedule.
You've
been
here
all
day
to
stay
with
us
and
dennis
potter
from
security
and
our
man
with
vr
videography.
I
want
to
thank
him
too
he's
always
over
here
and
to
our
other
commissions,
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
up
there
being
no
further
business
meeting
is
hereby
adjourned.