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Office Hours Oct. 13, 2020
A
A
About
the
census
updates
wendy's,
going
to
give
a
brief
update
on
some
things
going
on
with
elections,
notably
ballot
drop
boxes,
and
then
hopefully
you
all
have
questions,
because
if
not
you
get
to
hear
me
talk
about
redistricting.
So
if
you,
if
you
want
to
avoid
that
sorry
sad
fate,
you
should
come
forward
with
questions
and
we
can
get
a
good
dialogue
going,
but
I
think
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
ben
in
just
one
moment.
A
So,
just
a
few
notes
about
ben
he's
been
working
in
the
field
of
redistricting
in
mississippi
at
the
municipal
county
and
state
level
for
20
years
he's
currently
the
gis
director
for
the
mississippi
legislature
and
importantly
for
ncsl.
He
is
our
staff
vice
chair,
so
ben
it's
great
to
have
you
welcome,
and
just
for
those
of
you
who
are
here.
You
should
note
that
ben's
computer
had
a
problem
with
the
audio,
so
the
cell
phone,
that
is
just
lighting
up
the
601
number,
that
is
ben's
audio.
C
C
I
was
asked
to
speak
a
little
bit
today
about
setting
up
a
legislative
gis
office
and,
first
of
all,
can
everyone
hear
me
over
this
state
procurement
phone
from
the
70s?
Okay.
There
is
a
lot
of
different
considerations
that
goes
on
or
that
go
on
when
you
make
the
decision
or
round
up
in
charge
of
a
redistricting
operation,
you
have
to
consider
where
your
program
sits
administratively
within
the
government
body,
whether
your
office
is
a
partisan
or
non-partisan
office
will
affect
the
development
of
your
plan
for
moving
forward.
C
C
C
The
big
three
that
I
like
to
divide
your
redistricting
resources
into
are
hardware
software
and
wet
wear.
These
are
very
common
terms
in
the
in
the
field
of
information.
Technology
hardware
is,
of
course,
your
hardware
and
tech
assets,
like
those
you
see
behind
me
on
the
desks
back
here,
actual
physically
possessing
the
technology
to
conduct
the
work.
This
includes
also
such
things
as
your
large-scale
plotters
and
your
paper
and
heat
supplies
for
those
materials.
C
Software
is
always
a
big
issue
earlier
in
the
field
of
gis,
many
places
develop
their
own
internal
systems,
but
at
the
same
time,
most
places
these
days,
I
believe,
are
transitioning
to
off-the-shelf
systems
that
can
be
easily
purchased
and
installed
on
any
available
desktop.
That's
on
your
state
procurement
list.
C
C
If
that
applies
to
your
situation,
I
like
to
speak
about
vendors
and
software
packages
in
terms
of
their
responsibilities,
because,
no
matter
what
they
design
there's
going
to
be
something
in
your
jurisdiction.
It's
going
to
be
unique
that
you're
going
to
need
a
custom
development
application
for
so
it's
always
good
to
have
a
excellent
rapport
with
your
vendor
and
let
them
know
what
you're
working
on
and
what
you
may
need
from
them,
and
then
it
also
has
to
have
great
versatility
in
accepting
and
adapting
all
forms
of
digital
formats.
C
C
Lastly,
the
wetware:
that's
us,
that's
the
people
you
see
on
the
screen
or
everybody
else,
who's
got
theirs
black
blocked
out,
and
these
include
people
like
stakeholders.
These
are
the
decision
makers.
These
are
the
guys
who
who
are
telling
you
where
to
go,
and
what's
going
to
happen,
this
could
be
elected
officials
or
commissions
or
a
key
individual
depending
on
where
you
are
counsel
is
the
ability
is
the
legal
counsel
and
they
provide
the
guidance
and
oversight
of
how
the
process
should
move
forward.
C
We
are
responsible
for
keeping
the
car
moving,
keeping
the
limo
washed
and
full
of
gas
and
ready
to
go
where
we're
heading.
You
need
people
in
these
positions
with
capability,
versatility
and
discretion.
Hopefully,
you've
got
a
lot
of
these
assets
already
in
place
and
already
lined
up
moving
forward.
C
That's
kind
of
the
big
overview
that
I
try
to
use.
When
I
speak
about
what
I
do
on
the
rare
occasion
I
get
to,
but
I
do
know
that
there
was
some
some
members
who
had
very
specific
questions
or
had
a
key
moment
in
their
development
of
their
redistricting
program
and
had
some
issues
that
I
want
to
discuss
as
well.
C
I'm
getting
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
it
I'll
start
with
the
order
that
they
were
presented
to
me
and
that
the
first
one
is
naming
conventions.
Okay,
these
can
be
kind
of
problematic
if
you're,
not
careful
in
what
you
use.
One
of
our
colleagues
who
recently
found
himself
all
over
the
headlines
because
one
of
his
files
was
named
master
race.
C
So
when
you
move
forward,
you
want
to
move
forward
in
a
way
that
identifies
what
you're
working
on
without
being
overtly
offensive
or
calling
back
to
something.
That's
not
even
related
to
what
you're
doing
in
mississippi.
We've
had
the
stakeholders
decide
that
they
were
going
to
use
greek
letters
of
the
alphabet
for
various
plans.
The
last
time
that
I
conducted
redistricting
in
this
office
in
2010,
we
used
terms
that
were
related
to
music.
C
Our
plans
were
named
harmony
and
concert
and
duet
and
things
like
that
as
politically
neutral
as
you
can
get,
and
then
using
that
as
a
primary
identifier
on
your
file
for
your
work,
you
can
then
subset
that
into
concert.
One
concert
one
a
and
it's
an
iterative
process
that
you
go
through,
for
example,
you'll,
develop
harmony,
duet
and
concert.
They'll
pick
concert
to
work
from
and
then
you'll
develop
three
plans
from
there
and
then
three
plans
from
there.
C
Okay,
temporary
gis
tech
start
tomorrow,
we'll
get
to
that.
I
was
also
asked
about
our
fire,
our
file
sharing
protocols.
We
have
to
be
very
careful
in
the
data
we
use.
Some
of
the
data
we
use
is
proprietary
from
vendors
that
has
been
prepared
for
our
software
package.
You
know
we
receive
our,
of
course,
our
data
from
census
when
they
release
it.
C
Also
we
have
internally
developed
or
or
in
the
past,
we
have
had
internally
developed
databases,
and
you
have
to
think
about
all
of
this
information
what's
going
to
be
accessed
to
the
public,
if
the,
if
the
public
requests
a
a
data
layer
that
you
bought
and
is
you
know,
part
of
your
vendor
package,
you
have
to
consider
how
you
navigate
that
and
how
you
approach
that.
So
those
are
things
you
have
to
think
about
with
your
file
sharing.
As
far
as
within
the
office,
we
use
a
centralized,
workstation
type
format.
C
As
far
as
the
memory
storage,
all
of
the
work
is
sort
of
collect,
collected
collaboratively
into
a
single
unit
which
is
backed
up
from
that
particular
drive,
and
all
of
them
are
tied
into
it.
The
computers
have
both
the
firewall
internally
that
we
have
here
at
the
legislative
offices
and
our
its
department
also
runs
an
additional
firewall,
so
we
got
pretty
good
security
from
the
digital
end
of
things
from
there.
I
can
move
into
talking
about
the
maps
map
templates
that
we
use
now.
These
are
really
big
time.
C
Savers,
if
you
get
these
set
up,
you've,
got
common
data
elements
across
all
your
maps.
They
become
familiar
with
what
they're
looking
at.
They
know
where
to
look
where
their
house
is
and
their
region
and
that
sort
of
thing
your
legends
are
standard
and
as
much
as
you
can
scale.
Obviously,
when
you
zoom
in
and
out
that'll
change,
but
if
you
keep
the
scale
chain
as
close
to
possible
between
the
different
maps,
people
can
understand
what
they're
looking
at
a
little
bit
better.
C
C
We
don't
even
put
necessarily
identification
file
identification
names
on
them,
so
that
someone
who
accidentally
or
improperly
got
a
hold
of
a
copy
of
the
map
wouldn't
be
able
to
reference
it
by
name.
So
these
are
some
things
you
have
to
think
about
when
you're
dealing
with
sensitive
information
that
you
are
having
to
disseminate
the
stakeholders.
C
C
C
So
therefore,
you
basically
develop
a
custom
directed
limited
unalterable
gis
that
you're
able
to
email
someone,
and
they
can
turn
off
what
data
layers
they
want
to.
If
they
don't
want
to
see
building
footprints,
they
only
want
to
see
precincts,
it's
very
customizable
for
their
individual
needs,
and
it's
just
cool.
I
don't
know
about
you
guys,
but
I'm
a
nerd
about
this
stuff.
I
think
it's
great
so
definitely
check
that
out.
Geopdf.
C
C
It
functions
of
keeping
software
up
to
date,
drivers
up
to
date,
security,
up-to-date
those
things
have
to
be
dealt
with
and
have
to
be
budgeted
into
your
time.
Management
always
create
a
backup
plan
and
you
think
oh
well,
no
kidding
no
you're
supposed
to
back
up
your
drives
every
night.
No,
I'm
talking
about
your
backup
plan.
What
happens
when
ben
collins
is
going
to
lunch
today
and
the
buses
you
know,
always
have
a
backup
plan.
C
We
contract
with
our
institutions
of
higher
learning,
so
that
when
I
kill
over
dead,
they'll
they'll
have
somebody
in
this
seat
giving
this
presentation
before
they
haul
me
out
of
the
building,
but
always
have
a
redundant
backup
plan
for
both
your
staff
and
your
data.
It's
very
important
because
what
you
think
won't
go
wrong
will
redundant
plans.
We
have
three
systems
that
we
use
primarily
up
here.
We
have
our
our
senate,
our
house
and
our
public
access
system.
C
We
also
have
a
fourth
system
mothballed
with
software
pre-loaded
on
it
in
a
in
a
fourth
remote
location,
not
in
the
building.
That
way,
if
something
does
happen,
there's
something
catastrophic
we're
able
to
or
some
kind
of
virus
infects
all
of
our
systems
or
some
kind
of
crazy
stuff.
We
have
a
system,
that's
off-site
and
secure
that
we
can
then
load
our
backups
to
and
keep
running
with
regard
to
project
management
too.
You
really
need
to
give
a
serious
thought
to
how
you
handle
communications
both
with
your
stakeholders
internally
and
with
the
press.
C
I
don't
know
about
where
you
live,
but
this
is
a
headline
issue
in
mississippi.
This
gets
a
lot
of
bounce,
so
understanding
what
your
role
is
and
what
the
role
of
the
project
is
and
how
that
information,
how
that
product
is
going
to
leave
your
process
is
pretty
important
to
how
you
plan
how
you
accept
and
document
external
plans,
very
important
if
you
receive
a
constituent
submission.
How
do
you
document
that?
C
How
do
you
get
that
in
the
system
and
provide
that
to
your
stakeholders
so
that
they
understand
what
they're
looking
at
and
I'm
a
big
believer
in
in
in
public
input?
Let's
get
everybody
to
draw
a
map,
then
we'll
know
we
got
a
good
one.
So
using
that
approach
you
have
to
be
prepared
to
accept
that,
and
people
are
going
to
mail,
you
stuff
that
they
drew
on
napkins
or
whatever
you've
got
to
be
able
to
to
put
that
together
and
put
it
in
the
system.
C
And
lastly,
what's
specific
to
redistricting?
Is
public
hearings
in
many
cases
we're
following
the
old
models
that
we
used
to
use
before,
where
we
conduct
public
hearings
present
the
information
get
feedback
and
we
hold
those
all
over
the
state.
We
do
a
traveling
road
shift.
So
some
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
have
to
do
this
time,
but
but
we'll
figure
it
out,
but
that's
something
else.
You
have
to
consider
in
your
project
management,
along
with
your
time
frames
when
you're
going
to
have
these
public
hearings.
C
C
As
far
as
that
we
like,
if
we
make
off
sure
all
the
information
on
the
computers,
is
standard
centrally
located
and
is
updated
regularly
as
per
normal
I.t
protocols.
Hey
look,
you
guys
are
still
awake.
If
there's
any
questions
or
any
other
comments
or
anything
I
can
pontificate
upon.
Please
let
me
know
thank
you
wendy.
Thank
you.
Ben.
A
A
C
Okay,
we
recently
got
a
two
roll
44
inch,
hewlett-packard
designjet
z
series
plotter
to
replace
the
one
we
have,
and
I
think
that
cost
us
between
eight
and
ten
grand.
I
got
a
few
bells
and
whistles
put
on
it
for
what
I
do
here,
but
also
you
have
to
think
about
what
I
said
before
about.
Are
you
a
process
office
or
your
permanent
office?
C
If
you're
a
process
you're
just
there
for
the
process
of
redistricting,
then
maybe
you,
you
might
be
better
off
farming,
your
your
production
out
to
a
blueprint
shop
or
something
that
would
do
that.
However,
if
you're
going
to
get
in
a
permanent
staffed
office
situation,
it
really
helps
to
go
ahead
and
buy
a
piece
of
equipment
like
I
just
mentioned,
because
you're
not
going
to
just
use
it
for
the
year
that
redistricting
is
going
on
you're,
going
to
use
it
for
the
entire
10-year
cycle.
As
you
move
through
the
process.
C
As
far
as
computers
go,
I
we
take.
What
is
the
standard
on
the
state
procurement
list?
I
do
make
a
case
for
increased
graphic
capabilities
because
we're
pushing
so
much
imagery
from
time
to
time
and
processing
it,
and
I
really
think
those
come
out
to
be.
I
believe
I
was
quoted
800
a
piece
more
or
less,
and
that
includes
monitors
and
all
the
all
the
other
stuff
that
goes
with
it.
C
C
That
ties
back
in
this
office
to
our
naming
conventions,
if
that's
what
you're?
Speaking
of
because,
first
of
all,
nothing
is
able
to
leave
this
office
without
being
approved
by
our
legal
counsel
and
our
our
stakeholders
and
when
it
does
that
usually
has
the
identification
number
or
title
number
on
it
somewhere,
but
generally
the
the
version
controls.
If
it's
your
software,
then
that's,
of
course,
auto
updated,
but
really
the
the
nomenclature
that
we
use
is
a
small
identifier.
C
Let's
like
map
or
plant
identifier,
those
really
don't
get
tacked
on
until
the
end
of
the
process.
Because
again
we
don't
want
to
release
something
that
someone
would
feel
is
official,
that's
not
does
anyone
else.
Can
anyone
else
speak
to
lewis's
question
about
version
controls
and
how
they
handle
it.
E
Hey
ben
this
is
kim
bryce,
hey
there
guy.
Unfortunately,
I
came
in
late,
so
I
didn't
get
to
see
all
of
you,
but
on
on
versioning
controls,
you
know.
One
of
the
the
issues
always
is
is
file
names.
Are
you
doing
something
special
or
different,
with
file
name
conventions
for
plans
and
that
sort
of
thing.
C
We
we
just
again
as
since
it's
an
idea
of
process,
we
just
either
number
it
or
letter
identify
which
model
it
is,
for
example,
if
they
start
out
with
concert,
then
we
have
concert
one
two
and
three:
you
know
as
they
develop.
Oh
they
really
like
concert
two.
Well
then
the
title
because
working
title
becomes
concert,
two
hey
and
then
we'll
have
a
b
and
c
and
d
as
they
work
on,
and
they
say.
Oh
we
like
concert
2c.
C
Well,
then
that
becomes
the
the
headline
piece
and
you
just
keep
annotating
it
now,
of
course,
when
it
comes
out,
it'll
be
joint
resolution
101
dash.
You
know,
however,
they
codify,
but
just
internally
as
a
management
issue.
It's
just
an
iterative
process
once
the
chairman
picks
how
he
wants
to
name
things.
C
Also,
when
you
get
someone
who
comes
in
you
get
someone
externally,
we
have
a
public
access
office.
We
generally
use
their
last
name
and
it's
the
same
process
so
that
they
can
keep
up
with
their
files.
And
then,
if
someone
comes
in
that's
a
legislator,
who's,
maybe
leading
a
revolt
or
from
the
opposition
party.
We
also
use
their
name,
though
they
tend
to
want
to
name
it
something
of
their
own
and,
of
course,
we
let
them
do
that.
A
Great
so
hold
on
a
lot
of
stuff
is
coming
in
now,
so
this
is
great,
but
let's
try
to
find
where
I
was
so.
I
guess
the
next
one
is
michael
stewart
has
a
question
for
non-partisan
staff.
So
then
this
would
apply
to
you.
Obviously,
and
it
is,
do
you
share
or
loan
your
gis
staff
to
the
caucuses.
So
there
is
continuity
and
consistency
and
redistricting
plants
coming
from
the
two
parties
in
nevada.
They
assign
a
nonpartisan
gis
technician
to
each
caucus
and
that
person
only
works
on
that
caucus's
plan.
C
C
You
do
do
room
well,
I
see
julia's
question,
I'm
in
the
same
boat.
She
is,
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
do
it
this
time
I
mean.
Are
we
going
to
do
it
like
this?
I
know
we've
got
to
get
the
word
out
now
in
mississippi.
I
I
think
that
we
can.
We
may
have
to
have
some
of
our
venues
outside
concert
style
so
that
those
that
can
attend
in
person
can
have
the
room
that
they
need.
That's
something
that
we're
skating
on
right
now.
C
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
have
them
they're
too
much
a
part
of
the
process.
People
are
expecting
them
and
even
though
that
they
can,
they
have
the
opportunity
to
send
input
at
this
office
at
any
time.
Many
times
it's
being
able
to
voice
their
concerns
in
front
of
their
community
and
and
and
get
you
know,
buy
in
that
way,
so
keeping
the
process
as
open
and
accessible
as
possible,
holding
that
door
as
wide
as
possible,
but
julia.
I
have
no
idea
how
we're
going
to
do
this.
A
I,
like
your
idea
of
the
the
outdoor
meetings
I
used.
I
used
to
live
not
that
far
away
from
where
you
are,
I
used
to
live
in
new
orleans,
and
so
I
know
that
during
the
winter
you
can
have
a
nice
climate
down
there
in
the
deep
south.
Unfortunately,
for
julia,
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
going
to
necessarily
be
possible.
A
Gina
so
this
is,
I
mean
this
is
a
question
for
you
ben.
I
think
it's
also
for
anyone
else.
So
if
anyone
else
wants
to
chime
in
on
this,
please
do.
But
will
roberts
has
said
that
in
south
carolina
they
allow
amendments
to
maps
on
the
floor
as
the
bill
is
being
debated
and
do
you
have
any
tips
on
how
to
keep
track
of
all
those
changes
which
I
can
imagine
is
a
pain
in
the
butt
yeah.
C
Well,
fortunately,
if
there
is
a
four
amendment
made,
they
process
it
through
this
office.
Thankfully
my
legislators-
I
thank-
I
thank
thank
the
world
for
them
every
day.
If
someone's
gonna
make
a
floor
amendment,
they
will
usually
come
over
here
and
in
their
best,
you
know
best
manner
come
up
and
draw
a
an
opposition
plan
or
the
area
they
want
to
amend
specifically,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
of
tip
off
on
that,
and
sometimes,
though,
we've
been
surprised
and
we've
had
to
has
just
worked
fast
and
work
accurate.
C
But
again,
most
places
or
most
of
my
legislators
here
will
use
this
office
to
generate
their
amendment
and
give
us
some
lead
time.
So
when
they
make
amendments
in
your
area,
are
they
required
to
have
certain?
Are
they
required
to
produce
a
map
of
their
amendment,
for
example,
or
the
rules
about
your
members?
That's
something
that
I
would
explore
and
see.
If
there's
a
way
you
can
get
a
toehold
and
get
ahead
of
the
country.
E
E
E
E
Hair,
yes,
it
does
well.
I,
while
we're
waiting
for
her
to
come
on,
I
will
pass
on
one
one
rule
that
we
always
have
when
we
work
in
plans.
Is
we
never
use
the
word
final
to
describe
a
plan
because,
inevitably,
when
you
use
that
word,
it
changes,
so
don't
don't
use
the
word
final.
That's
my
advice
to
everybody
out
there.
C
I
guess
they
try
to
collect
without
these
kim.
Would
that
be
they
try
to
collect
input
and
opinions
prior
to
drawing
so
that
they
they
they
try
to
get
as
much
of
people's
input
in
there
on
the
front
end
as
they
can.
I
mean
that's
always
a
good.
We,
we
let
every
legislator
have
some
time
in
front
of
the
computer.
We
basically
do
the
same
thing.
E
Right
I
mean
we,
we
do
the
same
in
terms
of
getting
as
much
input
as
possible,
but
we
always
try
to
identify
plan
names
or
whatever
with
that
identifier,
so
we
could
go
back
to
it.
You
know,
that's
always
the
issue,
if
you're
trying
to
document
yourself
or
in
a
court
situation
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
trying
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
documentation
to
to
say
why
you
went
in
this
direction
or
that
direction
is
always
beneficial.
A
A
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
in
the
chat.
There
are
lots
of
comments
and
I
think
people
should
feel
free
to
read
through
them
and
see
what
folks
are
doing
in
their
states,
and
I
encourage
all
of
you
to
chime
in
there
as
well.
We
do
take
a
copy
of
all
of
these
comments.
Usually
it's
just
us
talking
to
you,
but
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
good
dialogue,
we
can
always
save
it
and
send
it
out
to
people
who
are
interested
in
follow-up,
so
put
it
in
there.
A
A
C
E
E
A
Yeah,
so
we're
gonna
have
next
up.
So
thank
you,
ben.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
for
ben,
I
think
he's
sticking
around
for
the
rest
of
the
call
and
obviously
jump
in
whenever.
If
anyone
wants
to
discuss
it,
if
then,
if
you
have
to
leave
your
email
is
in
the
chat
everyone
can
reach
out
to
you
individually
and
with
that,
if
we
don't
have
anything
else.
A
D
I
had
to
figure
out
how
to
do
this
with
a
phone,
so
it's
a
little
bit
different.
Sorry
to
jump
in.
Is
that,
okay,
that
I
talk
now,
please
please,
okay,
so
to
kind
of
answer.
What
kim
was
saying
and
I
sort
of
jumped
in
on
the
chat
too?
We
do
we
try
to
work
within
a
a
single
plan
and
in
the
past
it's
usually
been
in
the
chairman
of
the
committee
would
be
the
one
who
it
belongs
to
them
it's
their
plan
and
then
any
work
that
is
done.
D
Then
you
can
do
your
work
outside
and
put
it
back
into
the
master,
and
then
you
don't
have
to
even
keep
that
outside
work.
If
you
don't
want
to
you
put
it
in
there
and
it's
all
it's
all
there
in
the
master
plan
and
that
way,
you're
able
to
not
have
to
keep
up
with
so
many
numbers
and
so
many
strings
of
one
two
three
abc
you.
We
have
ended
up
with
plans
for
local
things
and
other
stuff
that
end
up
with
these
funky
long
names,
but
just
so
confusing
for
everybody
involved.
D
So
that
made
it
a
lot
better
too.
I
thought
it
went
smoother,
that's
not
to
say
they
all
loved
it,
but
there
were
places
where
they
could
put
changes
in
and
were
able
to
make
adjustments
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
before
the
map
was
even
presented.
So
that's
kind
of
what
I
mean
if
you
can
work
on
it
and
build
into
it
beforehand,
rather
than
continuing
to
copy
and
make
extra
maps,
and-
and
I
appreciate
mr
collins
being
so
kind.
E
Hey
gina,
I
think,
what's
important
about
you
guys
in
georgia,
is
that
you
are
much
more
county
dominated
in
how
you
think
and
how
you
design
plans.
That
may
not
be
the
case
in
a
lot
of
other
states,
but
I
think
you
know
you're
pointing
out
how
that
does
work
from
your
standpoint,
which
is
a
good
point
of
how
you
operate
on
that
side.
D
Right,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
you
know,
focus
on
the
counties.
Of
course,
when
we're
drawing
our
statewide
maps.
Of
course
they
overlap
the
counties.
Some
districts
are
multiple
counties
and
some
districts
are,
you
know
many
districts
within
a
county,
so
it
is
something
that
is
important
for
how
we
do
stuff
here,
but
it's
maybe
a
little
less
important
or
when
we're
working
on
the
statewide
legislative
maps
and
congressional
maps
just
because
the
sizes
are.
We
have
so
many
counties
that
that
the
sizes
really
kind
of
play.
A
part
in
that.
A
D
Well,
the
same
thing
ben
was
saying
you
know.
I
commented
a
few
times
too
with
public
hearings.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
discussion
on
that.
That
will
be
different
from
what
we've
done
before,
but
I
liked
his
idea
too.
We
could
definitely
do
outdoors
here,
but
I
think
that'll
also
depend
on
you
know
when
we
get
this
data
that
nobody
knows
when
we're
getting
it
so
that
could
affect.
When
we
do
these
hearings.
D
G
Well,
yeah,
it's
hard
to
say
with
the
senses.
It
seems
like
things
change
weekly,
if
not
daily.
Thank
you
ben.
I
want
just
to
give
a
quick
little
update
on
census
litigation,
as
many
of
you
may
have
already
heard.
The
2020
census
account
will
continue
through
october,
as
ordered
by
lucy
coe
of
the
northern
district
of
california.
G
But
with
that
being
said,
the
trump
administration
has
appealed
to
the
supreme
court
asking
the
high
court
for
immediate
relief,
because
the
court
order
will
prevent
the
department
of
commerce
from
meeting
its
december
31st
statutory
deadline.
So
we'll
see
if
the
supreme
court
will
intervene
in
this
case.
G
G
G
G
We
all
know
that
the
pandemic
has
disrupted
census
operation
and
has
made
the
in-person
enumeration
more
difficult
to
name
one,
the
displacement
of
people
from
their
normal
april,
first
residences,
such
as
college
students,
but
it's
also
disrupted
from
from
two
census
workers
and
the
public,
and
the
need
to
protect
themselves
during
this
pandemic,
so
masks
have
need
to
be
worn.
Other
protective
measures,
such
as
social
distancing,
is
needed.
A
Jeff
has
jeff
has
chimed
in
in
the
chat
that
he
learned
this
morning
that
the
supreme
court
will
discuss
on
friday
whether
to
hear
the
administration's
appeal
of
the
federal
three-judge
panel
decision
rejecting
the
july
21st
memorandum.
So
that
is
certainly
interesting.
So
any
other
questions
about
the
census
for
christie,
jeff,
you've
unmuted.
So
do
you
want
to
talk
about
what
you
learned
this
morning.
B
The
administration
may
also
try
to
adjust.
The
state
population
totals
it,
it's
all
unknown,
but
I
think
we
should
all
be
prepared.
Even
if
congress
doesn't
act
that
strange
things,
unprecedented
things
may
happen
at
the
end
of
the
year
on,
what's
been
normally,
you
know
a
ministerial
congressional
reapportionment
and
state
population.
Total
reporting
process
expect
the
unexpected
and
just
be
prepared
and
to
see.
E
The
litigation
yep
I
I
would
echo
jeff's
comments.
I
would
also
note
that
christie's
right
that
almost
all
the
states
say
99.9,
but
there
are
four
states
that
are
not
quite
up
there
and
they
are
louisiana
at
98.3,
mississippi
at
99.3,
south
dakota,
99.7
and
new
mexico
at
99.8,
so
they're
getting
it
that
last
little
bits
in
but
again
as
christie
points
out,
it's
it's
all
a
percent
of
households,
but
those
are
the
last
four
states,
predominantly
southern
oriented.
E
That's
what
we
were
seeing
before
a
lot
of
the
southern
states
were
the
ones
that
were
not
getting
up
there
in
terms
of
complete
counts,
and
these
are
statewide
numbers.
We
do
not
know
what
the
effect
is
down
at
the
county
or
the
local
levels.
That's
something
that
we're
all
kind
of
waiting
to
see.
If
there's
any
better
clues
on
how
well
they've
counted
in
our
respective
states.
A
All
right:
well,
if
there's
nothing
else,
just
remember
if
you
have
any
other
census,
questions
send
them
to
christy
and
if
they
are
oriented
towards
jeff
or
kim
or
anyone
else
as
well,
we
can
farm
those
out
as
needed.
So
with
that
I'll
just
say.
Thank
you
to
the
three
of
you
for
talking
about
the
census.
A
I
think
wendy
and
the
rest
of
us
on
the
team
were
a
little
bit
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
some
people
may
be
like.
I
don't
want
to
hear
any
more
about
2020,
please
for
the
love.
God
stop
telling
me
about
this
election,
and
so
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
chance
to
vote
on
it
because
burnout
is
real
and
we
don't
want
to
talk
about
something
that
there's
no
interest
in
so
for
the
october
27th
office
hours.
E
What
are
people
doing
with
the
2020
election
results
and
how
you're
going
to
get
them
into
your
database,
particularly
for
so
many
states
that
now
have
such
large
amounts
of
absentee
voting
taking
place
and
are
those
going
to
be
allocated
in
your
jurisdictions
down
to
the
precinct
level?
Or
is
it
one
big
mega
precinct
at
the
county
level
and
therefore
you're
going
to
lose
the
capability
of
how
you
want
to
divide
up
the
county?
E
A
Well,
I
will
say
that
the
majority
of
you
are
masochists,
because
you
have
decided
that
you
do
want
to
hear
more
about
the
2020
elections,
so
we
will
go
ahead
and
plan
on
doing
that,
then,
for
the
six
of
you
who
said
no
more,
I'm
sorry,
but
like
any
true
democracy,
the
people
have
spoken
and
the
majority
wants
more
of
it.
So
thank
you
for
participating
in
the
poll
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
wendy
to
talk
about
dropboxes
wendy.
F
F
F
What
I'm
bringing
to
you
today
comes
from
the
department
of
bills
that
might
be
coming
to
your
legislative
shop
in
the
near
future,
and
I
want
to
talk
about
drop
boxes,
so
I
had
never
had
a
question
from
a
legislator
or
from
the
press
about
dropboxes
until
this
year
and
all
of
a
sudden
that
seemed
to
be
pretty
popular,
some
of
you
may
have
been
following
along
with
some
of
some
of
what's
been
going
on
the
way
I'd
like
to
frame.
This
is
that
up
here
you
have
the
general
topic
of
absentee
and
male
voting.
F
Clearly
a
hot
topic
this
year
within
that
broad
topic,
there's
a
smaller
one.
This
is
a
little
lower
down,
I'm
trying
to
make
it
a
little
lower
down,
and
that
is
how
can
absentee
ballots
be
returned
to
the
election
officials
and
then
down
below
that
is
drop
boxes,
so
bigger
topic,
smaller
topic
down
to
the
to
the
narrow
one.
F
So
there
are
eight
states
that
have
statutes
on
drop
boxes
and
it
is
not
surprising-
or
I
should
say
it's
not
coincidental-
that
those
states
are
ones
that
already
have
been
doing
lots
and
lots
of
mail
voting
over
the
course
of
many
years.
They
aren't
necessarily
the
states
where
only
five
percent
of
people
had
absentee
ballots,
and
so
why
would
they
need
a
dropbox,
so
arizona,
california,
colorado,
hawaii
montana,
new
mexico,
oregon
and
washington
have
something
on
the
books,
and
these
statutes
generally
talk
about
security?
Do
you
need
24-hour
camera
on
them?
F
How
sturdy
do
they
need
to
be
that
the
people
who
go
to
get
the
ballots
out
of
these
drop
boxes
need
to
go
in
bipartisan
teams,
so
it
makes
sense
in
a
state
that
has
a
lot
of
absentee
voting
if
a
dropbox
gets
introduced.
That
you'd
want
to
put
some
parameters
around
that.
That's
why
I
think
this
is
likely
to
be
coming
to
many
other
states
in
this
coming
year.
F
F
F
So
I
think
that
that's
going
on
well,
the
the
recent
twist
is
that
in
california,
in
a
few
counties
at
least
republicans
have
created
drop
boxes
that
are
outside
of
the
normal
drop
boxes
that
are
produced
by
the
the
state
or
the
jurisdictions
and
they're
putting
them
where
they'd
like
to
have
them.
So
it's
kind
of
a
shift
because
mostly
the
republican
conversation
about
drop
dropboxes
has
been.
We
don't
want
them,
but
now
in
california
some
folks
are
doing
it,
and
I
think
this
relates
to
if
something
is
not
prohibited
in
law.
F
Does
that
mean
that
it
is
legal?
So
here
we
have
the
I'm
going
to
say
them
outside
of
the
normal
drop
boxes
are
being
put
out,
and
the
state
of
california
has
used
a
cease
and
desist
order
against
those,
but
it
just
flips
the
politics
of
this,
and
it
just
brings
to
my
mind
that
everything
is
seen
not
just
through
the
lens
of
what
your
party
thinks
at
the
national
level.
F
But
what's
what's
true
for
you
at
your
local
level
and
when,
when
there's
a
twist
and
and
republicans
democrats
can
be
on
both
sides
of
it,
that
always
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
interesting
to
follow.
I
know
I
didn't
tell
brian
hinkle
that
he
would
have
the
opportunity
to
talk,
but
if
I've
missed
anything,
I'd
be
happy
to
have
you
jump
in
or
if
anybody
else
wants
to
jump
in
on
drop
boxes
or
has
some
other
wrinkle
to
offer
on
that
topic.
B
I
don't
have
too
much
to
add
wendy.
I
think
he
did
a
great
job
overview.
I
would
note
that
litigation
is
ongoing
in
ohio
and
texas,
among
other
states,
with
certain
jurisdictions
seeking
to
add
drop
boxes
and
the
state
officials
weighing
in
against
that.
So
that's
continuing
to
play
out
definitely
something
we're
watching
going
to
the
election.
F
If
it's
all
right,
then
with
everyone,
you
feel
free
to
jump
in
if
you've
got
something
else,
but
I
just
wanted
to
also
offer
a
few
public
service
announcements
for
the
future
ben
has
already
mentioned
our
next
office
hours,
but
before
that
on
october,
23rd
we'll
have
a
census
update
with
james
again
and
who
knows
what
he'll
tell
us,
because
he
doesn't
know
what
he'll
tell
us
yet,
because
it
hasn't
been
decided.
What
he'll
tell
us
so,
but
we'll
know
something
from
the
supreme
court
hearing
at
least
this
week.
F
So
please
con
plan
to
join
us
for
that,
if
you'd
like
and
for
those
of
you
who,
like
the
politics
side
of
things
any
minute
now
in
your
inbox,
will
be
an
invitation
to
a
november
12th
post
election
roundup-
and
this
is
where
our
favorite
political
analyst
tim
story
gives
his
view
of
what
happened
in
the
states.
What's
what
how?
How
did
the
legislative
and
state
control
change
and
what
will
that
mean
for
our
future?
F
If
you
came
to
base
camp
we'll
be
using
that
same
kind
of
structure
for
it
so
sort
of
you
arrive
at
a
lobby,
some
fun
things
to
the
extent
we
can
we're.
Gonna
have
virtual
yoga
and
you
can
do
yoga
through
your
screen
and
and
you
don't
even
have
to
have
your
camera
on
that'll
that'll
be
part
of
the
deal
and
and
and
we
are
open
to
your
ideas
and
thoughts
about
what
we
might
offer.
We
do
have
the
agenda
in
skeletal
form
online
ben.
F
B
I
think
quinn's
on
two,
but
you
all
had
reached
out
to
us
about
the
basically
doing
a
redistricting
101
for
the
legislators,
and
we
did
that.
Yesterday
we
had
a
few
in
the
capital
and
we
had
the
vast
majority
on
teams.
So
ben
gave
the
presentation
and
he
did
such
a
good
job-
that
they
only
asked
a
few
questions
and
we
moved
on
and
but
the
feedback
has
been
positive,
and
so
it
was
an
hour
and
a
basic
just.
B
F
That
that's
exactly
right!
Thank
you
very
much
keith.
It
was
fun
to
be.
Actually
I
didn't
have
to
do
any
work.
All
I
had
to
do
was
sit
back
and
watch
ben.
Do
all
the
work,
but
at
any
rate,
whatever
the
topic
is
that
you
need
we
could
call
on
ben
collins.
He
would
probably
come
on
our
behalf,
ben
williams,
whatever
you
need,
let
us
know,
and
if
we
can
do
a
presentation
for
your
legislators
or
even
for
your
staff,
we're
that's
what
we
do
we're
here
to
serve.
A
A
Starting
with
this
redistricting
cycle,
ncsl
will
be
treating
redistricting
commissioners
and
redistricting
commission
staff
as
ncsl
members.
So
if
any
of
you
are
working
in
a
commission
state,
please
let
your
commissioners
and
your
commission
staff
know
that
we
are
here
to
serve
it's
the
the
same
sort
of
stuff.
Commissioners
and
commission
staff
will
get
member
pricing
on
redistricting
trainings
and
you
get
access
to
the
full
team
here
to
ask
information
requests
over
the
coming
couple
of
years.