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From YouTube: NCSL’s Task Force On Energy Supply
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NCSL’s Task Force On Energy Supply meeting Oct. 7, 2020.
B
Hey
everybody,
it's
great
to
see
so
many
energy
supply
task,
force,
members
and
partners
on
our
third
zoom
call.
I
know
I
think
glenn's
going
to
mention
it
later,
but
we
do
have
one
more
zoom
call
to
sort
of
round
out
the
year
and
that's
going
to
also
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
discuss.
You
know:
are
these
zoom
calls
and
you
know,
presentations
and
times
to
come
together
and
discuss
as
a
group?
Are
they
helpful?
Do
we
want
to
continue
those
on
into
the
new
year?
A
Thanks
christy
one
thing
I
forgot
to
mention
this
is
being
recorded,
so
you
will
have
the
opportunity
to
to
view
this
later
or
to
share
it
with
with
your
colleagues,
if
you
you
think
they
may
benefit
from
it.
So
with
that,
let's
turn
it
over
senator
cook.
If
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
and
welcome
the
task
force.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you
glenn
well,
depending
on
whether
you
are
where
you
are
good
morning
or
good
afternoon
on
behalf
of
myself
and
task
force.
Co-Chair
senator
dave
kaler
of
illinois
welcome
everyone.
Our
task
force,
members
and
sponsors
to
this
meeting,
we're
very
pleased
that
we
could
maintain
the
continuity
of
the
work
of
the
task
force
despite
covet,
but
I
do
know
that
we
all
yearn
for
the
opportunity
to
be
together
in
person
once
again,
and
we
all
hope
that
that
will
occur
sooner
rather
than
later.
C
But
in
the
meantime
I
want
to
give
a
special
thank
you
to
the
task
force
staff
who
has
kept
us
all
connected
and
brought
forth
important
resources
and
timely
programming
in
the
meetings
that
we've
been
able
to
do
via
zoom.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
the
agenda
back
over
briefly
to
the
task
force
staff
to
talk
about
some
ncsl
resources
and
programming
for
the
future,
after
which
we'll
turn
to
our
presenters
for
the
day.
A
Thanks
senator
cook
and
those
of
you
who
are
attending
I'm
sure
you,
you
may
be
familiar
with
a
couple
of
recent
events.
We've
had
and
we
also
have
a
couple-
an
upcoming
webinar
and
some
other
events
that
I'll
share
with
you.
We
held
a
webinar
building
the
21st
century
energy
workforce
on
september
11th
that
many
of
you
did
attend
and
just
wanted
to
note
that
for
those
of
you
who
did
not,
we
we
do
have
that
recorded
and
it's
currently
available
on
the
energy
page
as
well.
A
For
for
base
camp
registrants
as
well,
we
do
have
coming
up
tomorrow.
Actually,
as
part
of
our
energy
environment
and
transportation,
fall
2020
webinar
series,
we
have
a
webinar
called
exploring
climate
action
opportunities
for
sustainable
resilient
and
resilient
agriculture.
This
will
discuss
policies,
technologies.
A
I
also
wanted
to
note
that
related
to
our
last
call,
we
discussed
energy
storage
and
that's
an
effort
that
we
are
continuing
to
work
on.
In
addition
to
developing
this,
this
primer
that
we're
just
starting
on.
We
are
developing
an
energy
storage
database,
so
I'm
currently
kind
of
coordinating
to
put
together
a
database
which
will
have
a
number
of
different
keyword,
search
abilities
and
have
a
really
good
graphical
interface
and
provide
kind
of
a
state
map
of
activity
and
trends,
and
I
think
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
developing
that
and
sharing
that
with
you.
D
A
Thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
on
december,
2nd
we'll
we'll
be
having
our
our
next
task
force
meeting,
which
will
focus
around
infrastructure
financing
for
the
distribution
grid,
and
we
do
have
one
one
speaker
lined
up
for
that
so
far
and
I
think
we'll
we'll
have
one
or
two
more.
In
addition,
so
please
put
that
you
know
we.
We
did
send
out
a
placeholder
for
that,
but
keep
that
open
on
your
calendar
on
december
2nd.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
great
meeting.
A
I
wanted
to
also
let
you
know
we
have
a
number
of
publications
that
we
either
have
recently
published
or
are
soon
to
be
published,
two
ev
publications,
one
exploring
fees
and
the
other
on
charging
infrastructure.
We
also
have
two
energy
security
premiers
coming
out,
which
focuses
the
first
one
focuses
on
state
authority
and
how
states
respond
during
emergency
energy,
emergency,
natural
and
man-made
events.
The
other
really
looks
at
a
similar
topic,
but
really
from
the
tribal
viewpoint,
really
what
what
tribes
need
to
know
as
they're
dealing
with
emergency
response,
both.
A
Both
of
these
publications
really
are
relevant.
I
think
to
task
force.
Members
and
the
tribal
publication
will
will
provide
kind
of
a
background
for
for
policy
makers
that
are
interested
in
seeing
what
are
some
of
the
challenges
that
the
tribes
are
facing
and
how
state
state
governments
can
work
with
tribes
and
improve
coordination
there
as
well.
A
We're
also
soon
to
be
publishing
an
energy
affordability
paper.
It's
a
really
big
big
topic,
big
issue
right
now,
especially
with
covet
and
the
number
of
people
that
are
struggling
to
pay
energy
bills
and
the
challenges
that
utilities
are
are
seeing
with
basically
for
foregoing
cutting
folks
off.
Because
of
these
challenges,
and
some
of
the
long-term
policy
solutions
are
are
going
to
be,
will
be
explored
in
this
publication,
which
looks
at
energy
efficiency
and
other
long-term
solutions,
so,
rather
than
just
kind
of
temporary
financial
assistance.
A
B
Just
one
item
for
the
group
that
I
wanted
to
share
on
this
call,
so
you
may
have
noticed
we
haven't
had
rep
kurt
mccormick
from
vermont
on
our
last
couple.
Zoom
calls-
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
the
group-
he's-
had
a
series
of
of
scary
kind
of
health
issues.
He
had
a
several
mini
strokes
at
the
end
of
july
and
is
okay
and
but
then
found
out
that
he
has
some
form
of
cancer.
They
caught
it
early.
B
Thank
goodness,
and
so
it's
stage
one
and
it's
not
spreading,
but
certainly
has
he's
in
chemo
now.
You
know
he's
certainly
gone
through
a
lot
over
the
last
few
months,
and
so
I
just
put
together
a
quick
group
e
card
that
people
can
go
in
and
sort
of
sign
if
you'd,
like
I
thought,
it'd
be
nice
just
from
the
energy
supply
task
force
he's
been
a
member
for
a
long
time,
just
to
send
him
a
little
bit
of
love
and
show
our
support
is
kind
of.
B
He
deals
with
some
of
the
health
issues
that
have
been
thrown
at
him
over
the
past
couple
months.
So
I
think
I
just
started
it.
I
think
I'll
just
put
the
link
to
it
in
the
chat
and
that
way,
if
you
want
to
go
in
and
sign
something
you
can
I'll,
also
send
out
a
notice
after
the
call,
and
that
way
everyone
has
it.
Maybe
just
leave
it
open
for
a
couple
days.
If
you
just
want
to
send
them.
A
C
A
A
C
Thank
you,
glenn.
Our
next
session
will
focus
on
planning
for
resilience
on
the
distribution
grid.
Please
join
me
in
welcoming
paul
d
martini,
who
will
explore
these
issues
and
investigate
the
role
of
state
policy
in
creating
a
resilient
distribution
grid.
Paul
is
a
leading
expert
on
the
business
policy
and
technology
dimensions
of
distributed
power
systems.
C
His
consulting
practice
includes
supporting
utility
market
operator
regulatory
and
government
clients.
He
has
authored
or
co-authored
several
seminal
reports
that
have
been
widely
cited,
including
several
usdoe
reports
regarding
integrated
distribution
planning
and
transmission
distribution,
operational
coordination.
There
will
be
time
for
questions
after
paul's
presentation.
Let's
welcome
paul
dimartini.
D
We're
seeing
you
know,
increasing
severity
in
various
weather
events
and
obviously
other
you
know,
dimensions
that
we
need
to
think
about
with
cyber
security
and
the
like.
And
this
is
really,
I
would
say,
in
the
last
three
to
five
years,
really
accelerated
the
focus
on
why
we
need
to
think
about
a
more
resilient
distribution
system.
Often
in
the
past,
we've
thought
about
resilience
with
respect
to
distribution
as
a
speedy
restoration
process.
I
think,
as
we've
been
getting
into
it
more
completely.
D
In
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
been
thinking
about
resilience
as
the
ability
to
withstand
you
know
having
damage
having
failure,
having
power
outages
for
millions
of
customers.
I
myself
in
the
past
week
had
to
evacuate
for
the
fires
up
in
napa
valley,
where
I
live
and
just
returned
home
a
couple
days
ago.
So
I'm
sure
all
of
us
have
experienced,
or
our
family
members
or
friends
have
experienced
some
of
these
effects
over
the
past
decade,
and
particularly
the
last
five
years,
and
I
think,
there's
a
there's.
D
Definitely
this
renewed
focus
on
increasing
the
resilience
of
the
distribution
system
in
the
broader
context
for
distribution
planning,
they're
really
three
domains
for
planning.
One
is
obviously
reliability
and
resilience.
Another
is
around
distributed:
energy
resource
integration
and
utilization
and,
of
course,
fundamentally
the
safety
and
operational
efficiency
of
the
system.
D
This
has
become
even
more
important
in
understanding
the
the
resilience
because
in
major
events,
we
often
have
people
migrating
like
you
know
what
I
had
to
do
last
week
in
terms
of
evacuating
and
as
we've
seen
in
several
places
when
you
just
have
electric
vehicles-
and
you
don't
have
electricity,
your
ability,
your
mobility,
may
be
significantly
impacted
in
terms
of
being
able
to
to
get
out
of
certain
areas.
So
there's
been
this
renewed
focus
of
you
know.
D
now,
obviously
in
certain
parts
of
the
country,
in
fact,
in
many
parts
of
the
country
there
will
be
parts
of
the
distribution
system
in
a
utility
that
can
go
back
even
a
hundred
years
old,
as
as
we
note
in
a
few
of
the
of
the
more
sort
of
eastern
areas
or
those
cities
that
that
are
much
older
in
terms
of
when
they
started
to
to
bring
in
electricity.
Many
of
those
systems
that
came
in
the
20s
are
still
still
actually
in
operation.
D
Now,
when
we
think
about
planning
there's
this
there's
a
life
cycle
and
particularly
as
we
think
about
from
a
reliability,
resilience
standpoint,
there's
the
planning
activity
which
we're
going
to
zoom
in
a
bit
on
here
today,
but
then
from
the
planning
that
informs
what
investments
are
implemented
or
other
solutions.
We'll
touch
on
that
other
others
are
doing
and
developing
to
achieve
a
certain
objective.
D
Where
you
know
both
the
crew
is
doing
the
repair
and
the
like,
and
all
the
activity
related
to
that,
and
then
there's
a
post,
evaluate,
post
event,
evaluation,
which
then
feeds
back
into
the
planning
process.
So
there's
this
overall
life
cycle,
if
you
will
of
to
how
we
how
we
would
think
about
the
planning
element
and
how
they
link
to
to
these
other
aspects
as
we
go
through
this
in
in
practice,
we
will.
We
will
be
focusing
on
this
area
in
red
here
now.
D
But
one
of
the
first
steps
we
look
at
is
looking
at
this
resilience
threat
analysis.
This
is
often
done
at
a
state
level,
as,
as
many
of
you
know,
through
an
office
of
emergency
services.
The
idea
is
to
take
that
work
and
start
to
engage
with
the
utility
in
the
area
in
in
your
community
communities.
To
to
then
start
to
translate
this
into
the
the
impacts
on
specific
grid
infrastructure
and
then
prioritize
these
as
a
basis
for
them
determining
what
the
with
the
objectives
are.
D
One
of
the
things
that's
a
little
different
on
distribution
from
transmission
or
broader
system
resilience,
as
you
may
be
familiar
with,
is
that
distribution
system
resilience
needs
to
get
pretty
specific.
It
needs
to
look
at
particular
neighborhoods.
It
needs
to
look
at
all
the
way
down
to
you
know
individual
circuits,
so
that
you
understand
what
may
need
to
be
done
and
then
and
then
sort
of
build
up.
We
also
have
different.
D
D
You
know
there's
an
outage,
but
it's
a
couple
of
hours
in
it
and
you
know
it's
restored,
but
we
start
to
get
into
the
resilient
zone
and
the
blue
shaded
when
we
start
to
get
beyond
24
hours
or
get
beyond
something
that
would
be
considered
just
a
reliability
event
where
we
have
what
we
call
a
major
event,
but
even
that
major
event
may
be
more
localized.
It
may
be.
D
This
is
sort
of
an
emerging
area
for
utilities
to
look
at
this
sort
of
approach,
which
is
called
the
bowtie
assessment.
This
is
used
in
other
industries
as
well
to
look
at
first
assessing
the
threats,
as
I
showed
before
then
going
through,
as
I
was
describing
identifying
specific
physical
and
cyber
vulnerabilities
then
start
to
look
at
those
solutions
that
would
prevent
that
specific
failure.
D
So
you
know
hardening
is
certainly
in
that
category,
but
there's
a
number
of
other
measures
that
might
be
taken
solutions
to
to
basically
prevent
that
failure,
and
that's
where
this
would
you
know
that's
where
that
activity
would
happen
to
the
extent
that
those
those
solutions
didn't
actually
solve
the
problem.
So
this
is
sort
of
contingency
planning.
D
So
now
I
have
plan
b
and-
and
so
that's
that's
the
the
back
end
of
this,
this
bowtie
analysis
and
then
really
being
able
to
assess
what
you've
been
able
to
mitigate
and
whether
that's
an
acceptable
level
of
risk.
In
terms
of
you
know,
societal
impact.
You
know
customer
impact
in
terms
of
what,
from
a
planning
standpoint
so
as
we
move
from
threat
analysis
into
identification
of
potential
solutions.
D
There's
two
types:
there's
those
that
prevent
the
the
event:
there's
those
that
if
the
event
still
causes
a
failure,
then
what's
your
plan
b
to
mitigate
that
failure,
which
would
be
an
outage.
So
how
do
you
mitigate
that?
And
then
you
know,
are
those
those
mitigation
measures
still
allowing
you
to
stay
within
an
acceptable
risk
tolerance.
D
There
are
three
domains
that
we
tend
to
focus
on,
and
while
I
mentioned
that
there
was
the
there
was
more
of
a
van
and
the
vent
only
showed
a
little
bit
of
overlap.
The
reality
is
when
we
talk
about
reliability,
resilience
almost
all
of
the
pie,
the
budget
pie
that
goes
into
distribution
planning,
as
represented
by
these
blue
wedges,
whether
the
light
blue
or
the
darker
blue
all
have
something
to
do
either
very
directly
or
on
a
meaningful
level
with
addressing
reliability,
resilience
capabilities
of
the
distribution
system.
D
That's
the
amount
of
work
that
a
utility
does
related
to
moving
a
pole,
say
from
one
side
of
the
road
to
another
side
because
of
say
widening
a
road
or
the
like,
so
that
doesn't
really
have
that
much
to
do
with
the
resilience
necessarily
but
pretty
much.
Everything
else
has,
like
I
said,
either
direct
or
pretty
material
impact
on
the
ability
for
the
system
to
be
resilient
and
reliable.
D
The
other
is,
as
we've
been
discussing
with
states
and
utilities,
is
this
understanding
about
how
we
think
about
the
transformation
of
the
grid
to
a
much
more
modern
grid,
and
that
it's
really
important
that
we
think
about
this?
Almost
as
if
maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs-
and
you
know,
this
pyramid
is
really
based
on
building
a
solid
foundation,
and
that
is
really
need
to
think
about
safety
and
electric
code,
compliance
which
obviously
is
part
of
the
statutory
requirements
for
most
utilities
resilient
and
reliable
distribution,
structural
design.
D
So
one
of
the
things
that
utilities
and
commissions
in
various
states
are
looking
at
is,
and
certainly
you
know,
activity
at
the
department
of
energy
is.
How
might
we
think
differently
about
the
design
of
the
distribution
system,
and
is
there
a
way
to
have
a
more
networked
kind
of
system
that
has
much
more
flexibility
that
accommodates
a
number
of
other
objectives,
but
certainly
can
provide
greater
resilience.
D
As
as
sounds
like
you
all
have
been
discussing
I'll
touch
on
that
in
a
little
bit.
Then
comes
our
you
know,
automation
and
sensing
and
control
systems
that
both
what
we've
been
deploying
in
the
industry
for
quite
some
time
over
the
last
20
years
in
distribution.
Automation,
actually
in
some
cases,
going
back
30
years,
much
more
sophisticated
today,
but
then
overlaying
that,
with
even
more
advanced
sensing
protection
and
controls.
D
Much
more
communication
out
into
the
into
the
distribution
system
for
supporting
this.
And
then,
on
top
of
this
is
where
we
start
to
link
what
may
develop
with
community
and
utility
partner
microgrids
as
well
as
customer
microgrids,
and
how
these
tie
together
with
this
infrastructure,
to
create
a
more
resilient
scheme.
D
The
other
thing
that
we've
been
discussing
is
that
when
we
think
about
resilience
solutions,
we
probably
need
to
think
about
this
in
a
couple
of
different
dimensions.
One
is
what
is
the
scope
of
the
particular
resilient
solution
and
the
other
is
what's
the
societal
benefit
from
that
particular
solution,
and,
what's
clear
is?
Is
that
not
necessarily
with
does
any
specific
solution
that
the
utility
may
do,
or
a
community
or
an
individual
customer
may
do
solve
all
the
needs
of
what
we
need?
D
We
really
need
a
portfolio
approach,
a
combination
of
what
the
utility
may
do.
What
a
community
may
do,
what
an
individual
customer
may
do
to
maybe
accomplish
what
it
is
we
need
to
achieve
in
terms
of
the
desired
resilience
of
the
electric
system,
and
what
you'll
see
here
is
that,
on
the
scope
of
these
different
solutions,
we
have
point
solutions
which
would
be
say,
backup,
generation
at
a
particular
customer
or
battery.
D
We
may
have
a
critical
facility
with
that.
We
may
have
multiple
critical
facilities
that
there's
a
program
in
a
particular
community.
To
put
you
know,
backup,
generation
and
storage
at
you
know
all
their
critical
facilities
that
may
be
extended
to
say
essential
services
as
as
like
gas
stations
and
other
banks,
and
so
on
for
atms
that
may
be
desired
in
a
community
as
well.
But
those
tend
to
be
point
solutions
for
that
specific.
D
So
that
you
know,
on
these
preventative
power,
outages
to
mitigate
the
ignition
risk
during
the
wings
that
the
town
would
not
be
when
they
shut
the
transmission
line
down
that
the
town
would
have
its
own
backup
power,
but
it
would
cover
the
entire
town
and
then,
of
course,
you
know.
Ultimately,
how
do
we
solve
for
all
customers,
but
in
this
there's
a
combination
of,
as
I
said,
both
grid
and
individual,
either
community
or
customer
solutions?
So
how
do
we
think
about?
D
What
is
the
level
of
coordination
that
may
need
to
happen
with
respect
to
you
know,
particularly
as
we
think
about
the
distribution
system.
Recognizing
there
are
local
events,
and
that
may
involve
you
know
the
different
entities,
usually
a
local
event,
doesn't
arise
to
more
than
maybe
the
local
government
and
the
public
utility
commission
in
that
area.
D
A
major
local
event
will
certainly,
you
know,
get
to
the
to
the
level
of
the
governor,
the
legislature.
You
know
you
all
will,
probably
you
know
be
looking
at
that
and
then,
of
course,
a
major
regional
event
will
start
to
then
not
only
include
all
those
all
of
you,
but
but
then
also,
typically,
you
know
federal
level
and
nerc
and
and
and
other
you
know,
power
system,
operators
that
that
may
be
involved
in
you
know
as
maybe
they
required.
D
This
is
really
more
of
a
thought
starter
for
a
conversation
of
different
ways
that
the
different
key
active
you
know,
actors
in
this.
In
this
you
know,
process
for
distribution
planning
can
can
play
to
to
both
engage
the
stakeholders,
but
then
also
ultimately
develop
plans
and
investments
that
both
on
the
customer
side,
community
side
and
the
utility
to
to
achieve
the
objectives.
D
D
D
B
D
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
couple
of
states
that
have
some
familiarity
with
it's.
This
is
not
to
say
that
these
are
necessarily
best
practices,
they're,
just
some
examples,
I'm
sure
there's
quite
a
few
other
states.
It's
just
I'm
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
all
the
state
level
activities,
and
particularly
at
the
legislative
level,
but
in
in
the
hawaii.
D
I
thought
this
was
helpful
because
it
started
with
really
legislative
action
going
back
quite
a
ways
in
2011
the
y
act
181,
which
required
a
sustainability,
resilience
planning
dimension
and
a
coordination
program
to
liaise
amongst
the
various
entities.
As
we
as
we
were
just
talking
about,
so
they
set
this
out.
Of
course,
you
know
as
many
things
it
took
a
little
longer
to
actually
go
into
practice,
but
on
the
back
half
of
the
last
decade
we
started
to
see
much
more
engagement
and
a
couple
of
years
ago,
particularly
after
the
puerto
rico.
D
Hurricane
maria
hawaii
recognized
their
vulnerability,
particularly
as
you
know,
obviously,
the
devastating
effects
there
and
there
was
recognition
that
hawaii,
you
know,
could
could
have
similar
sort
of
exposure,
and-
and
so
they
put,
this
renewed
focus
on
this.
The
commission
required
that
resilience
planning
be
incorporated
into
the
broader
system
planning
that
they
were
already
engaging
on
in
looking
at
resource
and
transmission
distribution
planning.
D
They
also
started
to
undertake
a
proceeding
to
look
at
performance-based
rate,
making
as
a
way
to
incorporate,
as
as
prominently
as
part
of
that
resilience
dimensions
to
help
sort
of
close
the
loop.
If
you
will,
you
know,
as
part
of
that,
as
a
follow-on,
hawaiian
electorate
formed
a
state
and
community
resilience
working
group,
much
as
what
was
required
in
the
in
the
act
181
the
slide.
D
What
was
recognized
at
the
legislature
level
was
that
the
existing
regulation
didn't
didn't,
really
explicitly
describe
what
was
required
or
were
required
for
microgrid
implementation.
There
was
a
lot
of
regulation
around
the
interconnection
of
distributed
resources,
but
nothing
with
respect
to
microgrids
and
there
weren't
any
tariffs
that
covered
microgrid
operation
as
you're,
probably
well
aware,
when
a
microgrid
99.99
of
the
time
a
microgrid
operates
in
normal
mode.
It
operates
as
if
it's
you
know
what
we
call
blue
sky
mode.
D
It
doesn't
look,
any
different.
Just
looks
like
you
have
resources
connected
to
the
grid
like
they
normally
do
it's
that
island
mode
when
it
separates
from
the
system
and
there
weren't
any
rules
there
weren't
any
raids
that
covered
what
happens
when
you
go
into
the
island
mode
and
then
come
back
so
this
transitioning
and
so
on.
So
this
act
also
included
a
provision
for
requiring
the
development
of
a
tariff.
D
D
D
The
other
thing
the
commission
has
in
michigan
underway
is
their
effort
around
integrated
grid
planning,
as
well
as
grid
modernization,
and
they
call
it
michigan
my
power
grid
initiative
and
there's
a
couple
of
dockets
that
are
open.
The
one
I'm
pointing
to
here
is
their
you
know.
These
are
my
words:
they're
improved
integrated
electric
system
planning.
This
is
where
they're
looking
at
resource
transmission,
distribution
planning
and
there's
there's
a
very
strong
emphasis
on
resilience
and
reliability.
D
I
would
say
that
michigan's
is
probably
the
most
focused
on
resilience
and
reliability.
All
the
others
obviously
include
that,
but
there's
a
particular
focus
here.
I
would
say-
and
lisa
may
have
some
thoughts
on
this
because
she's
been
studying
the
states
in
terms
of
their
planning
initiatives
closer
than
I
have.
D
I
should
say
of
the
planning
process
to
understand
how
resilience
is
being
addressed
and
reflected,
and
then,
as
we
were
talking
about
there,
is
this
need
for
a
portfolio.
So
how
are
these
grid
investments
and
customer
and
independent
solutions
like
microgrid
being
considered
within
the
overall
portfolio?
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
to
folks
about
is
you
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
have
a
lot
of
community
developed
microgrids
at
the
same
time
in
utilities,
thinking
about
trying
to
solve
the
same
problem
and
so
making
investments
that
kind
of
overlap.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
paul
at
this
time
we'll
open
the
floor
for
questions.
Ask
the
task
force
to
please
use
either
the
zoom
hand,
raising
function
or
the
chat
box
to
let
us
know
you
have
a
question
and
you'll
be
recognized.
I'll
start
us
off
paul.
I
noticed
on
slide
nine,
which
was
the
apportionment
of
capital
investment.
D
D
That
slice
is
pretty
consistent,
but
other
places
also
include
the
reliability
parts
of
the
reliability
wedge
below
some
of
the
resilience
spend
if
it's
not
about
just
grid
hardening
may
be
included,
and
so
you
so
it
really
depends.
One
of
the
things
is
that,
even
on
balance,
I
would
say
that
most
grid
modernization
isn't
going
to
be
more
than
10,
because
a
lot
of
what's
going
on
is
aging
infrastructure
replacement,
which
also
ties
to
some
of
the
grid
hardening.
That
goes
into
resilience
and
some
of
the
reliability
are.
D
A
A
Had
a
question
I
didn't
see,
any
hands
go
up
yet,
but
this
is
kind
of
related
to
a
topic
we'll
be
discussing
at
our
next
task
force
meeting,
which
is
investing
in
infrastructure,
but
with
regards
to
investments,
resilience
investments.
What
paul?
What
kind
of
thoughts
do
you
have
around
those?
The
cost-benefit
analysis
and
different
kind
of
approaches?
States
might
take,
and
you
know
that
that
definitely
is
an
area
that
policy
makers
are
highly
involved
in,
is
kind
of
looking
at
how
investments
are
made
and
whether
they're,
prudent
or
not.
A
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
had
some
thoughts
around.
You
know
those
those
investments
as
they.
You
know,
as
you
noted
here,
it's
kind
of
this
hurricane
flooding
cyber
those
top
kind
of
issues,
but
what
types
of
kind
of
mechanisms
states
might
be
implementing
in
which
would
you
recommend,
or
are
there
some
some
some
thoughts
around?
What
what
actions
policymakers
might
want
to
investigate
on
this
topic?.
D
So
I
would
say
that,
where,
where
states
that
are
sort,
I
would
say
the
that's
sort
of
the
leading
edge
of
this,
and-
and
this
is
not
settled-
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
what
the
right
approaches
are.
But
the
the
societal
value
is
just
the
economic
societal
values
of
separate
questions.
I'll
set
that
aside
for
a
moment,
but
if
we
just
think
about
what
are
the
prioritization
of
the
various
investments
that
might
help
for
cost-effectiveness,
which
is
necessary
to
do
in
any
event.
D
So
if
I
have
a
certain
set
of
risks
that
start
with
this
threat
assessment,
going
through
an
analysis
like
this,
then
about
where
you
may
see
the
specific
impacts
in
a
particular
area
based
on
those
kind
of
threats
and
then
the
infrastructure
associated
with
it.
That
sets
up
your
risk
and
then
looking
at
what
the
implication
is
on
on
on
a
community,
whether
it's
critical
facilities
or
customers
or
the
like.
D
Spend
efficiency
for
the
risk,
that's
being
mitigated
which,
which
gets
to
this
bow
tie
kind
of
analysis
is
a
way
to
think
about
the
prioritization,
but
it's
really
important
to
start
with
what
are
clear
objectives
and
understanding
back
at
this
level.
What
your
criteria
is,
so
you
can
assess
whether
that
mitigation
is
is,
is
addressing
those
highest
priorities
and
those
risks
that
have
been
identified
by
the
community.
D
You
know,
I
think,
it's
most
effective
when
the
utility
is
not
the
only
one
trying
to
determine
what
the
risk
is.
It's
really
important
that
the
state
that
the
community
and
and
and
stakeholders
have
a
lot
of
input
into
what
is
the
what
is
the
potential
threat
and
and
risks
and
and
how
to
prioritize
those
such
that
when
you
do
this
risk,
spend
efficiency
there's
already
buy-in
on.
What
are
we
trying
to
accomplish?
What
are
we
trying
to
mitigate.
D
They
are
placing
lines
underground,
it's
obviously
an
expensive
proposition,
but
in
many
cases
it's
a
solution
that
that
addresses
some
of
the
kind
of
threats
that
we're
talking
about
here.
So
again,
you
know
going
back
to
this
sort
of
analysis.
When
we
understand
what
the
threat
is,
then
you
can
start
to
look
at
what
the
potential
solutions
are
and
undergrounding
you
know,
can
be
an
effective
solution
for
certain
types
of
threats.
So
and
I'm
gonna
give
you
an
example
in
the
wildfire
situation.
D
One
of
the
things
that's
happening
is
that
pg
e,
for
example,
is
looking
at
underground.
Some
transmission
lines
in
part
of
the
forested
areas
that
they
previously
would
have
thought
was
too
expensive,
but
now
they're
revisiting
the
idea,
with
with
a
better
understanding
of
what
it
would
take
to
harden
the
overhead
transmission,
including
all
the
ongoing
vegetation
management
and
so
on
over
its
life.
D
So
if
you
took
the
full
life
cycle,
cost
of
trying
to
harden
overhead
transmission
and
the
vegetation
management
over
a
40-year,
you
know
life
asset
life
and
compare
that
to
undergrounding
and
the
potential
mitigation
of
the
risk.
You
know
it
starts
to.
Maybe
look
a
little
bit
more
cost
effective
to
do
the
underground,
so
people
are
also
revisiting
kind
of
their
their.
You
know,
cost
benefit.
You
know,
risk
spend
kind
of
analysis
around
underground
as
well.
C
D
Yeah-
and
I
think
that
goes
to
understanding
in
this
sort
of
analysis
where
you
may
have
your
initial
sort
of
plan
a
and
your
redundancy
starts
to
tie
into
your
plan
b,
that
you
may
need
to
have
as
a
backup
if
the
first
doesn't
happen.
So,
for
example,
while
you
may
do
make
investments
on
the
distribution
system
at
the
utility
to
address
a
particular
threat
from
a
particular
type
of
event,
it
still
doesn't
mean
you,
wouldn't
necessarily
put
you
know,
backup
generation
at
a
critical
facility.
D
While
that
was
going
to
add
another
level
of
resilience
onto
what
was
happening
in
the
grid,
they
also
had
their
backup
generation.
So
they
had
plan
c,
because
this
is
a
critical
coast
guard
base.
For
you
know
going
out
and
and
rescuing
you
know,
fishing
fleet
personnel
out.
You
know
offshore,
so
you
know
pretty
critical
operation.
D
C
C
F
I
need
it.
I
just
realized
that
all
right,
thank
you,
everyone
and
senator
cope
so
hi
thanks
for
joining
us
today.
As
always.
It's
it's
good
to
be
here
with
you,
and
I
also
would
like
to
thank
paul
for
his
presentation
getting
into
all
the
details
about
considerations
and
adopting
resiliency
on
the
distribution
grid,
giving
us
some
perspective
on
how
policy
might
drive
some
of
these
changes.
F
So
I
am
familiar
with
most
of
you
at
this
point
for,
but
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me,
I
am
dan
shay.
I
have
been
with
the
energy
program
for
about
five
years
now
and
in
that
time
I've
been
covering
energy
security,
reliability
and
resiliency
pretty
much
the
whole
time
I'll
be
detailing
some
information.
That's
part
of
a
report
we
published
just
earlier
this
year.
F
It's
a
report.
We
do
every
two
years
on
energy
security,
and
this
year's
report
is
actually
the
third
iteration
of
the
report
that
I've
been
involved
with.
Even
though
I've
only
been
here
five
years,
I
think
it
was
about
maybe
the
first
real
thing
I
worked
on
once
I
I
started
with
ncsl,
so
it's
been
interesting
to
see
how
the
issues
have
shifted
over
that
that
time.
F
F
How
does
the
system
adapt
to
drastic
and
sudden
changes
caused
by
whatever
that
may
be?
The
reality
is,
and
in
the
report
we
look
at
the
issue
fairly
broadly,
but
the
reality
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
potential
threats
that
can
cause
those
abnormal
circumstances.
High
impact,
low
frequency
events
as
eppery
defines
them.
F
These
can
include
natural
disasters,
emps
terrorism
and
cyber
attacks,
but
for
the
purposes
of
this
presentation,
I'm
going
to
focus
primarily
on
resiliency
as
it
relates
to
natural
disasters
in
part.
That's
because
we
sort
of
treat
cyber
security
as
a
distinct
issue
on
its
own
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
we
do
have
another
report
specific
to
energy
sector,
cyber
security
that
we
also
published
earlier
this
year.
I
will
be
a
link
to
all
of
these
publications
at
the
end
of
my
slides
and
we'll
send
those
out.
F
So
it's
essentially
what
you
do
or
can
do
before
during
and
after
an
event
and
service,
survivability
is
probably
the
only
one
that
really
needs
to
be
further
defined
and
that's
the
ability
to
provide
a
basic
level
of
service,
whether
that's
home,
heating
or
backup
power
for
medically
essential
equipment
telecom
service.
All
of
that
kind
of
stuff
paul
had
that
slide
with
all
of
the
the
critical
infrastructure
and
the
interoperabilities
and
sort
of
relying
on
each
other,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
interconnection
there.
F
But
really
what
we're
talking
about
is
what
allows
people
to
write
out
an
event
safely
with
service
and
largely
this
has
to
do
with
microgrids
and
backup
power
systems.
It's
also
worth
noting
how
much
all
these
things
are
interconnected.
They
play
off
each
other
in
many
ways,
so
storm
hardening
events,
along
with
planning
and
preparedness
requirements
on
the
front
end,
can
obviously
facilitate
a
rapid
recovery
after
a
disaster.
F
Microgrids
can
help
alleviate
demand
on
a
system
which
can
allow
prioritization
of
power
restoration
in
areas
that
maybe
need
it
more
that
aren't
serviced
by
microgrids
and
grid
modernization.
Efforts
also
obviously
play
into
this
and
much
of
the
flexibility
system,
awareness
and
responsiveness
that
helps
with
resiliency,
so
senator
spearman.
You
were
right.
Our
polling
question
was
a
trick
question
that
we
posted
earlier.
F
No
one
was
wrong
and,
as
several
people
pointed
out
in
the
chat
as
well,
you
know
real-time
monitoring
and
demand
response
are
components
of
microgrids
as
our
energy
storage,
although
they
are
by
no
means
exclusive
to
microgrids.
So
I
think
really.
The
idea
was
was
mostly
that
all
of
these
elements
are
interconnected
and
they
they
are
all
a
part
of
resiliency.
F
A
A
D
B
B
F
So
you
know
in
a
lot
of
ways,
it's
hard
to
measure
the
damage
that
doesn't
happen
as
a
result
of
these
investments
and
people
are
much
more
likely
to
notice
when
the
lights
do
go
out
than
when
they
don't.
So.
I
think
a
big
reason
we've
seen
a
change
in
in
recent
years,
and
we
have
seen
a
little
bit
more
success
in
passing.
F
These
measures
is
sort
of
represented
in
the
chart
on
the
right,
which
shows
the
sort
of
increase
in
cost
and
number
of
billion
dollar
disasters,
as
they
are
tracked
by
noah.
You
know
there.
These
events
have
sort
of
forced
the
issue
in
a
lot
of
ways
and
in
a
lot
of
states
that
our
policymakers
are
are
reconsidering
how
energy
is
provided,
managed
and
consumed
as
a
result
of
these.
F
So
moving
on
to
some
specifics
now
in
terms
of
damage
the
damage
prevention
concept,
a
lot
of
this
gets
into
the
sort
of
grid
and
infrastructure
hardening
projects.
These
again
can
be
expensive.
As
undergrounding
was
mentioned,
it
is
a
very
expensive
proposition
and-
and
has
really,
I
think,
those
prospects
have
killed
a
lot
of
bills
that
proposed
undergrounding
in
prior
years.
F
This
is
actually
one
of
the
reasons
gas
is
relied
upon
to
anchor
so
many
microgrids,
as
well,
with
gas-fired
combined
heat
and
power
plants,
offering
both
heat
and
electricity
to
many
of
those
systems.
So
we
saw
a
really
active
year
in
2019.
Florida
is
kind
of
the
big
one
to
highlight
and
that
dealt
primarily
with
underground
undergrounding,
electric
lines
and
other
storm
hardening
plans.
F
Sp
796
required
states
utilities
to
develop
transmission
and
distribution
system
protection
plans
with
cost
recovery.
It
gave
state
regulators
a
signal
of
the
legislators,
support
for
these
investments
and
a
mandate
to
utilities
to
produce
those
those
plans,
and
those
plans
were
just
recently
submitted.
I
think,
for
the
first
time
to
florida
regulators
there
should
be
some
pretty
significant
work
on
undergrounding
and
other
grid
hardening
over
the
next.
F
That
required
certain
existing
overhead
lines
that
have
a
an
elevated
history
of
significant,
unplanned
outages
over
the
past
decade.
It
required
that
those
be
undergrounded
within
a
certain
time
frame
and
then
hawaii
and
new
york
each
considered
measures
that
would
have
called
for
work
to
identify
grid
and
infrastructure
needs
and,
in
some
cases,
specific
locations
in
a
state
that
are
particularly
in
need
of
enhanced
resiliency
and
would
benefit
from
it.
F
F
Natural
gas
sort
of
provides
this
in
some
ways
through
existing
infrastructure
and
has
been
a
very
integral
part
of
a
lot
of,
as
I
said,
anchoring
a
lot
of
microgrids.
But
you
know
I
also
lived
in
arkansas
during
a
huge
ice
storm
that
swept
through
the
state
in
the
midwest,
and
the
midwest
back
in
2009
took
out
power
to
much
of
the
state.
F
And
that
offers
matching
grant
and
technical
assistance
to
cities
and
towns
that
are
interested
in
developing
a
microgrid
connecticut,
has
done
a
lot
on
this
area
and
developed
a
variety
of
policies
since
superstorm
sandy
in
2012.
Although
there
hasn't
been
much
in
recent
years
and
then
backup
power
has
seen
a
lot
more
success
in
terms
of
proposals
that
have
passed,
california
enacted
a
measure
to
implement
planning
requirements
around
how
utilities
implement
those
de-energization
events
and
also
authorize
spending
for
backup
power
for
customers
with
medically
essential
equipment.
F
Puerto
rico
and
virginia
passed
back
up
power
requirements
for
certain
facilities,
including
daycares
group
homes,
assisted
living
facilities
and
emergency
shelters,
new
jersey,
I
believe,
over
the
past.
Several
sessions
has
also
considered
backup
power
requirements
at
community
centers
and
in
new
residential
developments
of
a
certain
size.
F
All
of
this
again
focuses
on
ensuring
that
basic
services,
essential
services
to
the
health
and
the
safety
of
communities
and
individuals
is,
is
provided
even
a
service
from
the
utility
may
not
be
one.
Recent
trend
in
this
area
has
been
to
include
backup
power
and
energy
storage
systems
in
state
property,
assessed.
Clean
energy
programs,
connecticut
included.
F
Microgrids
in
its
commercial
pace
program
several
years
ago
and
since
then,
massachusetts
and
new
jersey
have
each
considered
similar
measures,
though
those
have
not
passed,
and
then
let's
go
back
rapid
recovery,
so
many
bills
in
in
this
category,
I
would
describe
as
sort
of
business
rapid
response
laws,
probably
the
most
common.
Nearly
half
of
the
states
have
this
type
of
book
law
on
the
books.
F
They
vary
slightly
and
in
a
lot
of
the
details,
but
generally
we're
talking
about
certain
tax
and
registration
requirements
being
waived
for
out-of-state
utilities
and
other
businesses
engaged
in
disaster
response
work.
North
carolina
and
new
jersey
passed
bills
in
2019
related
to
business,
rapid
response.
Those
are,
I
think,
to
the
two
most
recent.
F
An
area
here
that
that
really
isn't
addressed
in
some
of
these
laws
is
travel
waivers
from
unaffected
states
to
allow
line,
crews
and
other
response
personnel
to
traverse
the
country
more
efficiently
and
quickly.
So,
let's
say:
there's
a
hurricane
in
louisiana
workers
from
kentucky
and
missouri
are
responding.
F
F
F
Their
feeling
that
the
utility
response
work
was
inadequate
to
that
to
that
storm
and
then
michigan
considered
a
had
a
direct
credit
that
would
have
been
on
customer
bills
for
outages
of
a
certain
duration
and
then
just
looking
ahead.
I
think
you
know,
as
I
said,
a
lot
of
resiliency
projects
are
costly
due
to
that
and
what
covert
has
done
to
state
budgets
to
impulses
on
spending?
It
seems
like
there
will
likely,
at
least
in
the
short
term.
F
Certainly,
this
year
was
no
exception
and
I
think,
there's
also
sort
of
an
issue
of
you
know:
valuation
of
resiliency
how
resiliency
is
valued,
and
so
whether
that
gets
addressed
in
in
some
capacity
as
it's
been
talked
about,
could
again
help
with
the
cost
benefit
analyses
that
are
required
to
do
some
of
these
these
projects
and
then,
finally,
it's
sort
of
worth
it's
interesting.
You
know
the
efficiencies
that
can
be
found
between
some
of
the
spending
on
grid
modernization
and
resiliency
energy
storage.
F
All
of
that
so
with
that,
I
will
leave
you
with
the
links
to
our
reports.
As
you
can
see
here,
the
securing
the
nation's
energy
future.
That
is
the
report
that
we
do
on
energy
security
every
two
years,
responding
to
disasters,
clearing
the
way
for
utilities
that
has
to
do
with
business,
rapid
response
laws-
and
that
was
just
recently
published,
as
well
as
a
legis
brief
and
then
obviously
my
contact
info.
So
thanks
everybody
for
for
your
time,
and
I
look
forward
to
answering
any
questions.
C
Thank
you
dan,
and
I
would
remind
everybody.
These
resources
that
appear
on
this
slide
were
also
contained
in
the
last
email
that
included
the
agenda
and
discussion
about
today's
meeting.
So
it's
something
that
I
encourage
you
to
share
with
other
members
of
your
committee
back
in
your
own
states.
Are
there
questions
for
dan?
E
Morris,
I
I've
learned
the
art
of
putting
my
comment
in
the
form
of
a
question
over
the
years,
so
I
just
want
to
share
a
couple
perspectives,
but
there's
a
lot
of
blurring
of
terms
down
between,
and
I
think
paul
mark
d
martini
pointed
this
out
in
his
presentation
really
well,
but
you
know
what
a
lot
of
people
are.
Calling
a
microgrid
in
my
opinion
are
not
really
microgrids.
E
It's
just
that
microgrids
are
sexy
now,
so
everybody
wants
to
call
what
they're
doing
at
microgrid,
but
he
called
them
mini
grids,
and
you
know
to
me,
there's
microgrids,
which
are
behind
a
meter
connection
with
a
utility
and
then
there's
community,
microgrids
or
mini
grids.
There's
you
know,
resilience
spending
in
you
know.
San
diego
gas
and
electric
has
really
been
kind
of.
E
I
think
you
know.
Conventional
wisdom
is
that
you
know
their
10-year
investment
plan
to
harden
both
with
software
and
hardware
investments.
Their
1960
era.
Distribution
system
has
been
really
proven
to
be
state
of
the
art,
but
when
you
rate
based
some
of
that
stuff,
it
takes
a
long
time
to
do
it
and
it's
not
something
you
can
do
overnight.
E
But
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment
that
you
know
a
lot
of
these
distribution
systems
were
built
a
long
time
ago,
and
you
can't
just
run
in
and
put
a
bunch
of
software
on
them
and
make
them
hardened
overnight.
It's
kind
of
part
and
parcel
of
having
both
hardware
and
it
investments
and-
and
then
you
know
again,
true
microgrids
usually
are
almost
impossible
to
rate
base
because
they
usually
benefit
one
customer
who
values
resiliency.
E
E
You
know
in
case
a
hurricane
comes
in
the
next
10
10
years,
so
anyway.
I
I
just
think
there's
a
lot
of
blurring
of
terms
in
some
of
the
stuff,
and
I
think
clearing
that
up
for
the
task
force
would
be
a
really
good,
interesting
project.
There
is
a
good
definition
of
what
these
things
all
actually
were
would
be
really
valuable
to
policymakers.
So
anyway,
you
know
dave.
Have
you
seen
in
your
work
that
it's
hard
to
determine
what
hawaii
calls
a
microgrid
versus
you
know,
virginia.
F
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
good,
it's
a
very
good
point
and
I
think
yeah,
every
state
sort
of
is,
if,
if
they
do
define
it,
there
are,
there
are
differences
and
there
are
differences
to
the
way
that
the
regulatory
structure
has
been
established.
I
know
you
know
hawaii,
california,
I
believe
puerto
rico,
recently
they've
all
kind
of
done.
F
Some
regulatory
work
to
try
to
hammer
out
some
of
those
issues
and,
at
least
within
the
confines
of
their
state,
had
a
little
bit
more
structure
around,
not
only
what
constitutes
a
microgrid
and
sort
of
interconnection
requirements
as
paul
was
talking
about,
but
the
services
that
that
they
can
provide,
or
a
lot
of
that
offers
much
more
investment
security.
I
think
for
developers
and
you're
right.
You
know
at
this
point
aside
from
sort
of
state
matching
grant
programs
and
other
incentives,
tax
incentives.
F
F
C
F
Consider
one
thing
that
that
I've
I
saw
recently
was
I,
I
believe,
minnesota
put
out
a
directive
to,
I
believe,
the
state
puc
and
to
the
state
department
of
finance
or
something
like
that
to
calling
on
infrastructure
projects
and
and
other
projects
that
are
job
heavy,
so
anything
that
that
would
essentially
incentivize
projects
that
utilities
have
sort
of
shovel
ready.
That
could
be
implemented
soon
to
help
get
jobs
again.
F
F
That's
I
mean
that's
one
thing,
certainly
as
as
paul
mentioned
as
well
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
it
really
has
to
do
with
infrastructure,
addressing
aging
infrastructure,
so
projects
that
have
been
put
off
for
some
time
or
just
have
not
been
addressed
and
then
again
a
lot
of
infrastructure
work
that
does
create
jobs
does
can
stimulate
the
economy.
There
is
the
issue
as
jeff
mentioned,
though,
that
you
know
raising
rates
at
this
time
is
also
a
difficult
proposition.
A
Thanks
henry
cook
yeah
with
regards
to
that,
I
do
want
to
keep
things
on
time
and
since
we're
running
a
little
late,
what
we'll
do
with
the
q
a
I'm,
I'm
going
to
just
send
you
guys
an
email
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
we'll.
Have
you
respond
to
the
q
a
because
I
think
you
know
it's
really
around
what
energy
resilience
topics
have
arisen
in
your
state
and
legislative
committee.
Then
what
support
on
this
topic
would
be
most
helpful
to
you
so.
A
A
Doesn't
look
like
it
so
thanks
thanks
again
yeah
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
attending.
Was
it
was
a
great
great
session.
I
know
we
covered
a
lot
of
ground
here.
It's
a
lot
of
information,
but
hopefully
the
resources
that
we
provided
in
the
email
and
also
they're,
also
located
at
the
bottom
of
the
agenda,
will
be
helpful
and
useful.
A
And
again
we
welcome
any
feedback.
You
might
have
any
suggestions,
thoughts
and
any
requests
for
information.
We're
always
happy
to
to
help
out
and
do
information
requests
or
do
any
legislative
research.
Yet
you
might
need
as
well
other
than
that
you
know.
We
really
look
forward
to
seeing
you
on
december,
2nd
we're
going
to
have
a
fantastic
session
again
and
in
the
meantime,
we'll
be
in
touch
and
we'll
let
you
know
as
soon
as
the
recording
is
up
and
send
you
those
details.