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A
We're
gonna
so
there's
the
notification
that
the
meeting
is
being
recorded.
As
I
mentioned,
we
we'll
be
providing
that
link
to
anyone
any
members
who
request
it,
but
otherwise
you
know
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
that,
the
meeting
being
it's
not
going
to
be
publicly
facing
or
available
in
that
way.
A
With
that
in
mind,
you
know
welcome
to
everyone,
it's
really
great
to
have
you
back
together.
Again,
we
are
getting
into
a
little
bit
of
a
cadence
with
these
meetings.
We
hope
to
continue
with
that.
So
thanks
for
your
interest
and
but
that
will
sort
of
get
going.
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
when
you're,
not
you
know
engaging
which
we
do
hope
you
do.
You
know
please
remain
unmute,
but
you're
also
able
to
use
the
chat
function.
A
We
encourage
that
and
we
will
be
monitoring
it
throughout
the
meeting
to
address
anything
that
is
presented
in
there.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
we
have
completed
the
staffing
of
our
energy
program
with
aaron
ray
our
new
associate
director
for
the
energy
program
has
just
joined
us,
and,
and
so
I
wanted
to
give
aaron
a
chance
to
introduce
himself
to
all
of
you,
and
this
will.
B
A
C
D
Erin,
thank
you
dan
and
thank
you
all
for
making
time
on
the
agenda
for
me
just
to
say
hello
and
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
aaron
ray
I'm,
as
damn
mentioned,
the
new
associate
director
for
energy
at
ncsl,
I'm
about
a
month
in
now,
so
I
figured
out
where
the
restroom
is,
which
was
the
most
important
task
and
now
getting
my
feet
wet
in
the
substantive
work
and
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you.
I
came
to
ncsl
from
about
two
and
a
half
years
in
the
governor's
office
here
in
colorado.
D
I
was
the
deputy
director
in
the
governor's
office
for
policy,
so
that
was
a
broad
portfolio.
It
included
energy
and
environment
work,
but
also
education
and
a
whole
variety
of
other
things,
but
was
really
an
exciting
time
to
work
in
energy
at
the
state
level,
and
the
executive
branch
got
to
interact
a
bunch
with
folks
in
the
legislature
here
in
colorado,
but
really
enjoyed
that
opportunity.
D
Prior
to
that,
I
was
in
the
federal
government
in
the
office
of
management
and
budget
in
two
administrations
working
on
department
of
interior
policies,
in
particular,
department
of
tier
energy
and
environment
policies.
So
I
had
lots
of
exposure
to
those
things
which,
for
some
of
you
will
probably
know
that's
a
lot
of
energy
production
on
federal
lands,
but
also
got
to
work
with
u.s
geological
survey,
who
has
a
small
nuclear
research
reactor
here
in
denver.
So
I
got
a
chance
to
stand
on
top
of
the
reactor
here
in
denver.
D
But
nuclear
policy
is
not
something
that
I
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
experience
with,
but
fortunate
to
have
dan
and
the
rest
of
team
here
and
and
looking
forward
to
learning
from
all
of
you.
So
that's
a
little
about
me.
I'm
gonna,
listen
to
the
rest
of
the
meeting
and
look
forward
to
meeting
all
of
you
in
person
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
being
able
to
join
these
meetings
over
the
next
few
months.
So
thank
you
for
making
time
and
looking
forward
to
working
together.
A
All
right,
thanks
erin,
I
have
to
say
ncsl-
did
not
make
finding
that
bathroom
easy
on
you.
Our
nearest
bathroom
has
been
under
construction
for
since
well
before
aaron
joined,
and
so
it's
it's
created
a
little
bit
of
a
maze
to
find
the
the
other
ones.
A
So
with
that,
I
want
to
just
jump
in
and
sort
of
get
the
big
news
out
there
first,
which
is
around
our
doe
intergovernmental
meeting
update,
so
that
meeting,
which
was
scheduled
for
november
16th
through
18th
in
nashville
as
an
in-person
meeting,
has
been
cancelled
or
postponed,
depending
on
sort
of
the
decisions
that
that
we
and
the
other
groups
make
sort
of
from
here
on
out.
So
that
decision
was
made
with
based
on
survey
results
from
polling
members.
A
Many
of
you
probably
got
that
email,
and
hopefully
quite
a
few
of
you-
responded
that
really
was
trying
to
gauge
everyone's.
You
know:
comfort
with
and
likelihood
of
attending
the
meeting
and
and
based
on
those
results
about.
75
percent
of
respondents
expressed
some
concerns
around
travel
and
attendance
this
year.
The
other
big
factor
was
that
we
could
not
really
count
on.
A
Does
participation
based
on
the
way
they've
been
addressing
these
larger
meetings
at
this
point,
so
dewey
leadership
does
have
to
approve
meetings
at
for
doe
staff
with
more
than
50
attendees
and
dearly
has
not
been
approving
any.
A
If,
if
you
know
of
those
types
of
comparable
meetings
that
we
were
aware
of,
so
a
few
things
to
consider
before
we
discuss
the
options
and
and
we're
gonna,
have
you
answer
a
few
polls
just
to
help
us
gauge
your
your
thinking,
but
this
does
mean
that
nlwg
will
most
likely
not
meet
in
person
until
our
spring
meeting,
so
that
is
usually
around
june
after
sessions
end
this.
A
You
know
the
plan
for
that
has
been
and
still
is,
in
my
mind,
a
site
visit
along
with
sessions,
the
way
that
we've
done
it
in
the
past.
So
you
know
visiting
an
ems
cleaning
up
site
and
associated
doe
labs
with
sessions
and-
and
you
know,
business
meeting,
we
do
plan
to
continue
engaging
through
virtual
nlwg
meetings
and
presentations
like
this
one
throughout
the
fall,
and
we
are
thinking
that,
with
the
the
cancellation
of
that
meeting,
we
will
continue
with
that.
A
So
the
intergov
planning
committee
is
considering
several
options
for
what
to
do
about
the
the
intergov
meeting
and
we'd
like
to
gather
your
feedback
and
preferences.
So
if
you
could
respond
to
the
following
pull
questions
that
will
help
us
gauge
sort
of
the
direction
that
that
we
need
to
advocate
so
gretchen.
If
you
could
launch
pull
one
so
which
alternative?
Would
you
prefer
for
the
canceled
doe
intergovernmental
meeting?
A
There's
three
options:
the
virtual
doe
intergovernmental
groups
meeting
I
want
to
make
clear
that
would
not
be
full
day
meetings.
That
would
be
two
to
three
hour
sessions
each
afternoon
for
maybe
two
or
three
afternoons
of
that
week.
So
by
no
means
do
we
want
to
overload
everyone
with
with
you
know
three
days
of
full-day
virtual
meetings.
We
know
that
that
does
not
is
not
going
to
work
at
this
point.
A
E
And
we
will
also
send
this
out
to
the
larger
group.
I
know
we
don't
have
high
participation
numbers
today,
but
this
is
helpful
for
us
to
kind
of
get
a
idea.
A
Okay,
so
that
is
overwhelmingly
in
favor
of
in-person:
do
we
intergovernmental
groups
meeting
in
the
late
spring
with
80?
So
thank
you
for
that.
So
that
leads
us
to
our
second
full
question
and
gretchen.
If
you
could
launch
that
which
in-person
meeting
would
you
prefer
nlwg
pursue
for
our
spring
summer
meeting
and
and.
A
A
A
Okay,
so
nlwg
meeting
and
site
visit
all
right.
Well,
that
is
very
helpful.
I
appreciate
everyone's
participation
in
that
and
we
will
again,
like
christopher,
said
survey
the
rest
of
the
group
as
well,
but
that
gives
us
a
good
sort
of
data
point
to
to
work
from
all
right.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
turn
things
over
briefly
to
our
co-chair
representative
john
reagan.
A
It's
great
to
have
you
here
and
speaking
with
us
again
today
to
hear
your
voice
representative
reagan's
gonna,
give
a
a
brief
welcome
to
the
group
and
also
you
know
any
updates
that
he
would
like
to
provide
related
to
today's
topic,
which
is
advanced
reactors
and
smrs.
C
Well
thanks
dan
first
off,
as
you
said,
let
me
welcome
everybody,
especially
the
old
friends
here,
and
I
don't
old,
not
necessarily
age-wise,
but
as
in
common
experience
good
to
see
you
again,
it's
also
good
to
have
this
group
still
functioning
and
working
together
to
help
create
a
path
forward
that
is
coherent
or
at
least
as
coherent
as
we
can
make
it
for
nuclear
energy
and
waste
disposal
and
all
the
other
things
that
we've
been
brought
together
to
talk
about.
C
I
do
want
to
say
that
the
regardless
of
you
know
where
the
next
meeting
is
held.
C
I
think
it's
important
that
we
all
come
to
to
the
the
table
with
some
ideas
that
we're
willing
to
put
forward
and
and
try
to
convince
our
compatriots
that
one
path
or
the
other
is
one
that
we
should
line
up
behind
and
I'm
personally
not
going
to
say
which
one
at
this
point
in
time,
but
again
welcome
glad
you're
here,
I'm
sorry
we're
not
meeting
in
person
I'm
equally
sorry,
you
didn't
get
a
chance
to
to
come
to
nashville
for
the
next
meeting,
the
in
some
ways,
it's
probably
a
blessing
in
disguise
because
the
the
tourists
have
returned
in
mass
and
it's
it's
pretty
darn
hard
to
walk
around
down
there.
C
Now.
That
said,
though,
the
the
attractions
are
still
there
and
you
can
come
anytime.
You
want
to
glad
to
see
you
switching
gears
and
talking
just
a
little
bit
about
the
nuclear
reactors
and
so
forth.
C
C
Here
in
oak
ridge,
we
have
the
luxury
of
having
a
a
site
that
is
large,
but
not
so
far
from
everywhere
that
it's
hard
to
get
things
to.
The
federal
reservation
that
was
created
during
the
manhattan
project
has
access
to
a
rail
spur
of
the
interstate
highway
and
barge,
so
that
makes
it
easy
to
get
anything
into
it.
That
said,
the
and,
furthermore,
the
site
in
particular
that
they
were
looking
at
was
one
that
was
chosen
way
way
back
for
something
called
the
breeder
reactor.
C
So
a
lot
of
the
preliminary
work
has
been
done.
However,
the
small
reactor,
the
microreactor
project
that
is,
is
coming
to
oak
ridge,
is
actually
going
to
be
going
to
a
technology
park.
Now
it
just
so
happens.
The
technology
park
was
the
old
k25
site,
part
of
the
manhattan
project,
which
has
been
cleaned
up
and
turned
over
to
industry
for
its
uses,
and
so
having
that
reactor
there
will
be
beneficial
to
attracting
other
industries.
C
Here
we
have
some
there
now
that
have
moved
in
appreciative
of
a
really
nice
brownfield
site,
like
I
said,
barge
access,
real
excess
and
so
forth,
but
I
want
to
step
back
just
a
minute
and
talk
about
the
benefits
of
these
micro
reactors
and
small
modular
reactors
too.
The
small
modular
reactor
is
still
on
the
table
and
a
lot
of
us
are
familiar
with
that.
C
That's
a
light
water
reactor,
that's
kind
of
like
batteries,
you
stack
them
together
to
get
the
output
you
need
and
the
site
itself
that
they're
put
on
has
a
clear
zone
about
the
size
of
the
fenced
in
area.
In
contrast
to
our
gigawatt
plants,
which
have
like
30
miles
of
clear
zone
requirements,
evacuation
zone
requirements,
let
me
get
that
right.
C
C
There
are
sites
in
alaska
right
now
that
are
running
on
diesel
power
generators
and
getting
the
diesel
fuel
in
sometimes
is
a
challenge.
In
fact,
they
usually
don't
get
it
in
during
the
winter
months.
C
C
One
would
think
that
moving
parts
are
kind
of
scarce
in
that,
but
that's
not
true.
Our
current
is
60
cycles
per
second
and
believe
it
or
not.
It
moves
wires
when
it
goes
through
it
and
actually
creates
a
phenomena
called
metal
fatigue,
and
on
top
of
that,
the
towers
that
these
things
are
on
are
subject
to
corrosion
need
replacement
and
then,
of
course,
the
transformers,
and
we
have
a
big
national
security
vulnerability
with
those
transformers.
C
There
was
a
coordinated
attack
on
a
major
transformer
facility
in
silicon
valley
which
very
nearly
wiped
out
all
the
power
to
the
to
that
area,
and
it
was
well
coordinated.
Of
course,
you
won't
see
reports
and
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
anything.
That's
not
been
in
the
press
on
that,
but
it
came
very
close
to
accomplishing
its
goal
and
if
it
could
be
done
there,
it
can
be
done
anywhere,
so
our
grid
needs
to
be
resilient.
C
We
as
a
set
of
government
officials
who
are
concerned
with
this
definitely
need
to
be
looking
at
that,
and
these
micro
reactors
and
small
module
reactors
give
us
the
capability
of
making
a
resilient
grid
well
in
the,
in
the
absence
of
further
guidance,
I'm
going
to
bow
to
the
bard
william
shakespeare,
who
said
brevity
is
the
soul
of
wit.
So
I'm
I'm
done.
A
Thank
you
for
those
remarks
representative,
as
always
very
astute
at
tying
in
the
the
topic
to
the
larger
picture,
which
we
we
really
appreciate.
You
know
so
just
further
orienting
things
a
little
bit
and
I
I
kind
of
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
of
things
before
we
move
into
allen's
presentation.
Just
because
this
past
year
has
been
I've,
seen
a
lot
of
action.
The
past
couple
years,
really
especially
on
on
this
front
in
terms
of
smrs
and
advanced
reactors.
A
A
So
you
know,
and
this
year
partially
as
a
result
of
that
pacific,
core
and
terror
power,
announced
a
partnership
to
build
a
terrapower
reactor
at
a
retiring
coal
facility
in
washington,
an
mru
was
signed
to
develop
advanced
reactor
demonstration
project
between
x,
energy
and
energy,
northwest
in
richland,
washington,
near
hanford,
and
it's
worth
noting
that
doe
actually
awarded
both
of
those
companies,
80
million
in
initial
funding,
to
develop
and
build
prototypes
within
seven
years.
So
I
would
imagine,
that's
that's
no
coincidence.
A
The
in
montana
the
legislature
enacted
house
bill
273
this
year
to
repeal
the
state's
requirement
that
voters
get
to
stay
on
any
new
nuclear
facilities
and
they
also
approved
senate
joint
resolution
3,
which
calls
for
a
study
on
the
feasibility
of
replacing
coal-fired
capacity
with
smrs.
We're
all.
I
think,
pretty
well
aware
of
the
idaho
project
between
u-rams
and
new
scale,
that
was
sort
of
the
first
big
project
that
got
a
lot
of
headlines
and
that
is
moving
forward
as
well.
Senator
reagan
meant
or
sorry,
representative
reagan
mentioned.
A
The
developments
in
tennessee
we've
also
seen
potential
action
in
missouri
and
north
carolina
on
these
topics.
So
it's
it's.
Just
one
that
that
really
seems
to
be
picking
up
and-
and
so
that's
a
very
brief
high
level
overview
of
some
of
the
stuff
we've
been
tracking
and
seeing
much
of
it.
You
might
have
seen
us
highlight
in
the
news
reactor,
but
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
christopher
to
who
will
then
in
turn
turn
it
over
to
alan.
E
Hello,
yes,
nice,
to
see
all
of
you
again
and
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
nlwg.
That
was
a
overview
by
dan
of
some
of
the
state
action.
That's
been
taken
on
advanced
reactors
and
smrs
lately,
but
today
we're
excited
to
welcome
alan
ahn
from
third
way
to
speak
more
in
depth
about
the
topic.
E
Third
way
and
his
work
communicates
the
importance
of
nuclear
energy
to
u.s
economic
climate
and
national
security
interests
and
the
critical
role
that
nuclear
energy
will
play
in
domestic
and
international
decarbonization
strategies.
E
He
also
helps
demonstrate
the
economic
benefits
that
investment
in
existing
and
advanced
nuclear
reactors
offer
communities
across
the
nation
in
the
form
of
good,
paying,
often
union
jobs.
That's
some
of
the
cold
and
nuclear
transition
that
we
just
talked
about
and
before
joining
third
way,
allen
spent
ten
years
as
the
director
of
programs
and
communication
at
the
global
america
business
institute.
So
we're
happy
to
have
him
here
today.
He's
got
a
presentation
line
lined
up
for
us
with
some
q
a
after.
B
Thanks
thanks
chris
for
the
introduction,
hi
everyone,
my
name
again
is
al
anon
and,
as
chris
mentioned,
I'm
senior
resident
fellow
for
the
climate
and
energy
program
at
third
way.
B
The
goals
of
the
climate
energy
program
is
to
to
seek
the
fastest
and
fairest
path
to
net
zero
emissions
by
mid-century,
and
my
particular
role
within
the
team
is
on
the
organization's
nuclear
energy
related
work
and
activities.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
share
my
slides
now.
B
First
of
all,
can
everyone
hear
me
okay,
and
can
you
see
the
slides,
okay,
okay,
hearing
representative
reagan's
remarks
and
and
daniel's
introductory
remarks
seems
like?
Maybe
much
of
my
presentation
has
already
been
made
and
I'm
not
going
to
reveal
my
sports
allegiances
off
the
bat,
so
it's
not
to
get
off
on
the
wrong
foot
with
many
of
you
but
yeah.
B
Let
me
let
me
just
say
it's
a
real
honor
and
pleasure
to
be
presenting
to
this
group
and
thanks
again
to
chris
and
daniel
for
for
for
the
invitation
reaching
out
to
me
and
really
my
hope
is
that
this
presentation
or
remark
you
know
this.
This
dialogue
can
be.
You
know
a
springboard
to
further
conversation
and
discussion
of
these
issues.
B
I'll
have
my
contact
information
listed
at
the
end,
and
I
do
see
some
familiar
names
in
this
meeting
and
I
I
get
the
sense
that
the
familiarity
and
fluency
in
this
issues
is
quite
high
amongst
this
group,
so
I
might
have
to
to
skip
around
bits
of
my
presentation.
B
Okay,
so
we
can
get
to
q
and
a
as
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
don't
come.
I
don't
come
from
a
technical
background,
so
if
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
your
particular
inquiry
as
to
you
know
the
plutonium
breeding
ratio
of
a
molten
salt
reactor,
you
know,
I
can
certainly
point
you
in
the
right
direction
of
the
right
folks.
B
If
you
have
those
types
of
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
assume
that
we're
going
to
stay
relatively
high
level
here,
while
while
trying
to
get
into
some
topics
of
interest,
much
of
this
presentation
will
highlight
or
either
or
either
you
know,
recent
work
that
I've
done
or
or
other
colleagues
at
the
within
the
climate
and
energy
program
have
done
in
the
last
year
or
so
so.
B
Hopefully,
I
don't
give
off
excessive
vibes
of
self-promotion,
but
I
did
want
to
refer
to
some
of
this
work
to
illustrate
broader
trends
in
the
advanced
reactor
space,
so
just
an
obligatory
disclaimer.
Any
views
or
opinions
expressed
in
this
presentation
are
strictly
my
own
and
do
not
necessarily
reflect
the
positions
of
third
way
or
its
affiliates
and
partners.
B
This
is
the
advanced
reactor
map
that
third
wave
released
in
2015
and
third
way
has
been
and
tracking
developments
in
nuclear
innovation
and
reactor
development
since
roughly
around
that
time,
and
if
you
follow
third
ways
work
at
any
point,
you've
likely
seen
this
map.
This
was
essentially
third
ways.
First,
map
of
different
advanced
reactor
projects
and
companies
in
the
us
north
america.
B
This
map
was
fairly
inclusive
and
comprehensive,
so
the
list
included
light
water,
small
modular
reactors
smrs
and
even
some
fuse
fusion
concepts
which
I'll
only
touch
upon.
Briefly
again
later,
I
think
it's
difficult
to
have
a
conversation
about
advanced
nuclear
without
juxtaposing
with
the
the
conventional
nuclear
plant
technology
that
has
predominated
the
last
several
decades.
A
large
light
water
reactor,
which
number
one
typically
is
around
a
gigawatt
in
capacity
or
or
something
around,
that
size
and
scale
and
number
two
uses
water
as
its
primary
coolant.
B
But
in
recent
years
there
has
been,
you
know,
there's
been
a
number
of
factors,
driving
momentum
away
from
large
light
water
reactors.
First
of
all,
there
are
limited
market
opportunities,
especially
domestically
for
large
gigawatt
scale
power
plants.
Just
given
forecasts
for
electricity
demand
growth
in
this
country.
Although
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
factors
that
could
potentially
change
that
going
forward.
B
You
know,
building
large
nuclear
plants
domestically
has
has
not
been
favorable
for
the
most
part.
You
know
if,
especially
when
you
look
at
recent
experiences
with
vc
summer
and
and
vogel,
there
have
been
some
delays
and
cost
overruns
with
those
projects
and-
and
I
think
those
two
factors
have
been
the
main
drivers
of
interest
in
smaller
designs,
whether
small,
small
modular
reactors,
smrs
or
micro
reactors,
there's
less
project
risk
and
complexities
and
construction.
B
You
know
the
smaller
the
unit,
the
more
you
can
manufacture
and
assemble
in
a
in
a
factory
setting
and
the
less
uncertainties
you
run
into
and
with
that
sort
of
process.
And
you
know
the
capacity
to
build
large
components
for
large
reactors
simply
doesn't
exist
domestically
anymore.
Much
of
that
manufacturing
and
those
activities
have
moved
abroad.
So
building
smaller
designs
allows
for
more
opportunities
for
u.s
manufacturers
and
the
u.s
nuclear
supply
chain
going
forward
five
years
after
the
the
initial
map
released
by
third
way,
you
can
see
that
we
expanded
our
scope.
B
You
know
mapping
not
only
advanced
nuclear
projects
in
the
us,
but
als,
but
also
around
the
world
in
the
us
and
north
america.
You
know
in
recent
years
you've
seen
a
number
of
companies
floating
to
the
top.
You
know
getting
closer
to
demonstrating
their
first
units
and
near-term
commercialization
targets
and
also
progressing
with
licensing
discussions
and
applications
with
with
the
u.s
nuclear
regulatory
commission
nrc,
while
other
companies
have
have
fallen
off
transatomic
being
one
of
those
companies.
B
So
domestically
you
actually
observe
a
bit
of
contraction
in
this
list
rather
than
expansion,
and
that
illustrates
a
broader
trend
in
at
least
third
way's
work.
Here's
third
ways:
microsite
dedicated
to
advanced
nuclear
issues.
Our
our
advanced
nuclear
work
has
been
so
popular
that
we've
created
a
separate
website
for
it.
Advancednuclearenergy.Org
there
are
a
lot
of
great
resources
on
this
site,
so
contains
a
lot
more
information
that
I
could
possibly
deliver
in
a
in
a
webinar
like
this.
So
I
would
encourage
you
all
all
of
you
to
visit
it.
B
The
focus
of
the
site
is
really
non-light
water
reactors
or
or
what
is
otherwise
known
as
generation
four
reactor
technologies.
You
can.
You
can
see
some
examples
here
to
the
right
of
this
slide
fast
reactors.
B
You
know,
lead
cooled,
sodium,
cooled,
fast
reactors,
high
temperature,
gas,
cooled
reactors,
molten
salt
reactors,
a
couple
of
reasons
for
this
focus,
especially
with
regards
to
the
site.
You
know,
as
you
recall,
our
2015
map
and
list
included
light
water,
small
reactors
which
are
essentially
scaled
down
versions
of
the
large
conventional
reactors
we
see
in
operation
today
in
years
past
third
wave.
Viewed
these
light
water
smrs
as
an
important
bridge
technology
to
the
gen
4
technologies.
B
You
see
here
on
the
slide,
but
today,
if
you
look
at
the
the
timelines
for
first
demonstrations
and
commercialization
for
non-light
water
reactor
technologies,
whether
tera
power,
x-energy,
oklahoma,
they're,
actually
supposed
to
to
come
sooner
than
let's
say
like
a
new
scale.
So
you
know
those
those
time
frames
have
actually
dramatically
quickened
in
recent
years,
plus
with
the
non-light
water
coolant
technologies.
You
have
different
advantages
being
better
on
waste
or
even
the
capability
to
use
nuclear
waste
as
fuel
higher
outlet
temperatures.
B
So
you
can
be
more
optimized
for
things
like
not
only
electricity
generation
but
also
industrial
heat,
desalination,
hydrogen
production,
etc.
If
you
also
saw
our
2015
list,
we
included
fusion
technologies
and
companies
on
the
map.
You
know
third
way
continues
to
monitor
developments
and
fusion
energy
technologies
and
is
certainly
supportive
of
them
and
these
the
efforts
in
these
areas.
B
B
Just
a
couple
words
on
advanced
nuclear
and
its
relation
to
current
political
trends
and
developments
advanced
nuclear
is
one
of
the
few
issues
in
which
there
is
significant
bipartisan
support
and
in
this
overall
political
environment.
As
you
all
know,
that
is
extremely
noteworthy.
B
You
know
this
is
arguably
the
first
democratic
that
has
been
so
outspoken
and
supportive
of
nuclear
energy,
particularly
from
the
get-go.
The
biden-harris
administration
has
a
very
ambitious
climate
and
environment
environmental
agenda
and
they
see
nuclear
as
vital
to
achieving
these
climate-related
objectives.
B
You
know,
within
congress,
dating
back
a
few
years
that
has
been
a
slew
of
bipartisan
legislation,
supporting
funding
for
advanced
nuclear
research,
development
deployment
policies
to
facilitate
the
commercialization
and
licensing
of
advanced
nuclear
technologies.
I
can
go
on
and
on
on
on
the
various
bills
that
have
been
passed
in
the
last
several
years:
the
nuclear
energy
innovation
capabilities
act,
nica,
nuclear
energy,
innovation
and
modernization
act.
Nema,
nuclear
energy
leadership
act,
mila.
B
American
nuclear
infrastructure
act
ania
supported
by
members
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle.
There
are
a
number
of
reasons
that
have
fostered
this
type
of
bipartisan
support,
but
let
me
just
name
a
few
of
the
larger
ones.
B
B
But
you
know,
the
basic
point
of
this
memo
is
that
when
nuclear
plants
close,
you
know
there
is
this
misconception
that
they
are
replaced
by
clean
energy
sources
when
in
reality
they
are
replaced
by
fossil
fuels,
so
coal
or
or
natural
gas,
and
that
obviously
has
a
negative
impact
in
terms
of
climate
emissions
and
non-climate
emissions
like
nox
and
sox
that
you
know
have
a
negative
impact
on
on
public
health,
so
you
know
both
a
long
term
and
a
very
near-term
a
negative
impact
as
a
result
of
having
fossil
fuels.
B
You
know
having
fossil
fuels,
use
increase
in
the
near
term.
You
know
the
con.
This
conversation
reveals
a
broader
truth.
You
know
that
one
gigawatt
capacity
of
clean
energy
sources
of
various
types
are
not
equal.
You
know
you
can
have
a
gigawatt
capacity
of
wind
and
solar
is
not
necessarily
the
equivalent
of
you
know
one
gigawatt
capacity
of
nuclear,
a
lot
of
geographic
factors
in
that
you
know
third
way
as
an
organization,
it's
supportive
of
all
clean
energy
sources
and
technologies.
B
I
I
think
we
clearly
argue
that
you
will
need
all
of
these
technologies
in
order
to
meet
clean
energy
goals,
climate
goals,
but
you
know
the
reality
is
wind
and
solar
are
intermittent
sources,
they're,
not
always
generating,
depending
on
the
time
of
day
or
or
wind
patterns.
And
if
you
don't
have
a
viable
and
scalable
energy
storage
solution,
you
basically
have
to
back
these
sources
up
with
natural
gas.
You
know
more
fossil
fuels
and
this
natural
gas
will
produce
greenhouse
gases
and
and
emissions
that,
as
I
mentioned,
negatively,
affect
public
health.
B
Nuclear
generation
produces
no
emissions
and
is
just
as
reliable
and
dispatchable
as
fossil
generators,
and
there's
increasing
recognition
and
realization
of
this
by
both
national
leadership
and
leadership
at
the
state
level
at
the
community
level
by
by
the
broader
public-
and
I
think
this
has
been
a
major
driver
of
interest
and
support
in
advanced
reactors,
especially
for
more
progressive
political
circles
where
you
know
traditionally,
they
haven't
supported
nuclear
in
the
past.
B
This
is
a
bit
more
abstract.
You
know,
there's
there's
also
a
an
argument
for
advanced
nuclear
from
a
geopolitical
foreign
policy
perspective.
The
us
was
once
the
dominant
supplier
of
civilian
nuclear
power
technology
internationally.
B
Russia
and
china
are
now
emerging
as
suppliers
of
nuclear
energy
technologies,
as
shown
on
this
map,
which
shows
the
different
countries
that
are
being
targeted
by
russia
and
china
for
for
civil
nuclear
exports,
moscow
and
beijing
they're
increasingly
aggressive.
They
understand
the
geopolitical
value
of
civil
civil
nuclear
exports
and
will
pursue
these
export
bids
to
extend
their
influence
and
their
reach
internationally
throughout
the
world.
B
Quite
frankly,
this
is
a
concern
for
the
us,
and
you
know
I
think
the
u.s
looks
to
advance
reactor
development
as
one
way
of
getting
back
in
the
game
in
terms
of
nuclear
energy
exports
being
more
competitive
in
the
global
nuclear
energy
market,
and
this
will
obviously
be
important
to
you
know
limit
the
international
influence
of
the
america's
geopolitical
rivals.
B
The
manifestations
of
this
bipartisan
support-
I
think
you
know
you,
obviously
see
them
in
in
these
bills.
Most
recently
third
way
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
on
on
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
bill,
which
includes
new
authorizations
and
funding
for
the
advanced
reactor
demonstration
program,
which
daniel
mentioned
earlier
or
ardp.
That's
the
acronym.
B
This
is
a
cost
chair
between
industry
and
the
federal
government
to
help
expedite
the
demonstration
of
advanced
reactors.
The
infrastructure
bill
authorizes
an
additional
3.2
billion
dollars
dedicated
for
the
two
main
demonstrations
pathway.
One
demonstrations
by
terrapower-
they
have
a
demo
in
wyoming.
The
site
is
yet
to
be
determined
and
x.
Energy
has
a
demonstration
demonstration
cited
to
be
built
in
richland
washington,
and
they
this
is
on
top
of
the
1.75
billion
already
unauthorized
under
the
2020
energy
act.
B
It
also
significantly
funds
the
pro
the
program
2.4
billion
through
fiscal
year.
2025.
B
ardp,
has
been
a
major
priority
for
third
way
and
a
lot
of
other
ngos
working
in
this
space
and
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
numerous
partners
and
allies
to
build
bipartisan
support
for
this
program.
So
the
authorizations
and
funding
for
ardp
in
the
infrastructure
bill
are
a
massive
win
on
top
of
these
items.
There's
also,
you
know,
provisions
to
ensure
the
efficient
transfer
of
property
interest
to
facilitate
the
administration
execution
of
the
ardp
program.
B
There's
financial
and
technical
assistance,
that's
being
earmarked
for
feasibility
studies
on
the
sighting
of
advanced
reactors,
including
micro
and
small
modular
reactors,
and
authorizations
for
a
clean
energy
demonstration
on
mine
lands
program
which
there's
been
500
million
appropriated
for
that
program
in
the
in
the
bill
and
advanced
nuclear
is
explicitly
listed
as
one
of
the
clean
energy
technologies
I
can
qualify
for
for
that
program.
B
You
know,
despite
all
the
tremendous
achievements
in
the
infrastructure
bill,
there's
still
a
need
for
ongoing
funding
through
the
annual
appropriations
process,
so
we
will
need
these
continued
appropriations
for
ardp
and
other
advanced
nuclear
priorities
and
will
need
plenty
of
help
and
coordination
and
building
support
and
funding
for
these
programs.
B
B
B
The
only
currently
available
commercial
supplier
of
halo
is
russia,
so
just
considering
the
near-term
timelines
for
advanced
reactor
deployment,
steps
need
to
be
taken
now
in
in
order
to
develop
alternate
suppliers
of
halo
and
encourage
investment
in
in
construction
of
halo
production
capacity
domestically,
and
you
see
here
sort
of
on
this
table
the
the
target
completion
dates
of
first
of
a
kind
units
and
demonstrations.
B
So
you
know
everything
is
coming
within
the
next
four
five
six
seven
years.
Regulatory
and
licensing
modernization
is
another
challenge.
You
know,
and
this
is
there
are
probably
others
who
can
speak
more
expertly
and
in
detail
on
this
issue,
such
as
our
senior
visiting
fellow
stephen
burns,
who
was
a
former
commissioner
at
the
nrc?
B
B
Just
very
briefly,
as
I
think,
we're
running
out
of
time
third
way
did
a
mapping
of
global
markets,
and,
and
basically
one
of
the
conclusions
of
the
map
is
that
they're,
their
huge
global
energy
demand
is
forecasted
to
increase
exponentially,
particularly
in
developing
countries
and
regions,
and
I
think
one
of
the
conclusions
of
the
study
was
that
much
of
where
this
demand
is
centered.
B
They
also
should
be
ready
for
advanced
nuclear
deployment
within
the
next
decade
or
so,
and
it's
a
it's
a
market
that
can
triple
by
mid-century
and
and
obviously
that's
a
massive
economic
opportunity
in
terms
of
exports
for
for
the
domestic
economy,
and
I
I
think
the
last
point
that
I'd
like
to
make
is
this.
B
This
is
this
is
a
study
that
third
way
did
called
d-carb
america
that
looks
at
you
know
clean
energy
pathways,
decarbonization
pathways,
focusing
sort
of
on
the
regional
level
on
the
state
level
and
daniel
went
over
some
of
these
state-level
developments.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
positive
developments
at
the
state
level.
B
Obviously,
you
have
wyoming
washington
state
that
you
know
there's
supposed
to
be
sites
for
some
of
these
first
advanced
reactor
demonstrations
tennessee
as
well,
potentially
idaho
for
for
for
oklaho's
first
unit,
and
I
think,
there's
certainly
interest
in
other
states
to
sort
of
see
you
know
what
were
the
lessons
learned.
You
have
a
number
of
states
in
in
recent
years
that
have
repealed
nuclear
moratoria,
wisconsin
kentucky
wyoming
as
well
to
in
order
to
to
make
the
terrapower
demonstration
go
through,
and
so
this
is
where.
B
I
really
hope
that
this
presentation
is,
you
know,
a
stepping
stone
to
more
conversations,
because
if
we
stop
at
just
these
first
demonstrations
and
units,
you
know
they're,
basically
just
shiny
machines.
You
know
what's
going
to
make
advanced
nuclear
a
viable
as
a
as
an
energy
source
in
the
future,
as
a
as
a
pathway
to
decarbonizing
our
economy
and
and
and
going
towards
a
cleaner
energy
economy,
and
you
know,
what's
going
to
maximize
the
competitiveness
of
advanced
nuclear
and
strengthen
the
nuclear
supply
chain.
B
Domestically
is
is
going
to
be
developing
more
markets,
getting
the
states
and
the
communities
that
are
interested
in
this
technology.
B
You
know
more
information
and
seeing
if,
if
this
is
sort
of
the
right
option
for
them-
and
so
that's
that's-
certainly
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
was
very
eager
to
present
in
this
forum-
and
I
really
hope
that
we
can
continue
this
conversation
going
forward.
Here's
my
contact
information,
that's
my
email!
Obviously,
the
the
the
website
address
for
third
way.
B
Please
don't
hesitate
to
contact
me
and
happy
to
engage
in
in
any
questions
or
or
additional
conversations
you
might
want
to
to
get
into
so
that
that'll
be
the
end
of
my
presentation.
Sorry,
for
going
a
bit
over.
A
No,
no
helen,
that's
great.
We
do
appreciate
you
leaving
plenty
of
time
for
q
a
because,
as
I
I
made
you
aware,
this
is
an
area
that
our
members
are
very
interested
so
before
we
open
it
up.
Just
briefly,
I
was
wondering
whether
you
could
you
could
give
us
your
perspective
on.
You
know.
A
You
mentioned
it
and
touched
that
in
a
little
bit,
but
there
are
clearly
challenges
to
bridging
the
gap
between
the
technological
development
and
commercialization
and
especially
in
the
nuclear
technology.
Space
there's
already
been
some
consolidation
since
your
first
map,
as
you
mentioned
yeah,
you
know
what
do
you
view
as
the
keys
to
navigating
those
challenges
successfully
and
which
companies
are
going
to?
Ultimately,
you
know
reach
commercialization,
but
not
only
commercialization,
I
guess
but
growth.
B
You
know
I
I
think
I've
named
some
of
the
ones
with
the
the
nearest
term
timelines
for
their
first
units,
and
certainly
I
I
think,
just
by
that
metric
alone,
you
know,
perhaps
they
have
the
leg
up.
I
I
don't
think
it's
in
third
ways.
B
I
don't
think
we're
in
a
position
to
necessarily
handicap
developers,
one
over
the
other.
So
I
can't
say
if
the
the
prospects
for
one
is
higher
than
the
other,
but
you
know
what
I
will
say
is
you
know:
there's
been
so
much
effort
to
try
to
develop
these
federal
cost
shares
for
these
first
units
and
just
having
those
machines
built
those
reactors
built,
and
you
know
that
that
obviously
can
prove
out
a
lot
of
different
things
that
you
know
utilities
want
to
see.
B
I
think
that
could
demonstrate
interest
going
forward,
so
you
know
I
think
kind
of
simultaneously
or
in
parallel
with
the
demonstrations
being
built.
You
know
from
now
till
2027
2026
2028.
B
You
know,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
active
conversations
with
other
markets
where
there
may
be
interest
in
these
technologies.
For
example,
the
terrapower
demonstration
is
supposed
to
be
built
on
a
retired
coal
fight.
They
haven't,
deter,
they
haven't
determined
which
site
just
yet,
but
that's
that's
the
sort
of
the
general
plan
at
this
point
you
know
in
west
virginia
where
you
know
obviously
have
a
very
you
know,
stronghold
sector
and
understanding
that
the
the
overall
prospects
for
the
coal
industry
in
general
are
not
favorable.
B
You
know
they're
also
looking
at
this
type
of
option
as
well
right
for
for
for
retiring
coal
plants
to
to
sort
of
make
that
clean
energy
transition
without
disrupting
you
know
the
communities
that
have
been
built
around
these
coal
plants.
And
if
you
look
at
these
advanced
reactor
plants,
you
know
you
can
preserve
the
transmission
lines,
the
turbine
islands
of
these
plants,
you
know
connected
to
a
reactor.
B
You
know
some
some
of
the
skills
that
would
be
needed
for
for
maintaining
operating
coal
plants.
They
translate
well
without
training
or
or
with
minimal
training
over
to
new
advanced
reactor
plants.
So
I
think
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
kind
of
driving
interest
in
places
like
west
virginia
and
other
places
where
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
coal
plants
and
are
looking
to
you
know
essentially
adapt
to
you
know
sort
of
broader
development,
so
I
would
say,
having
these
conversations
now
with
state
leaders.
B
Third
way
have,
you
know,
had
some
conversations
with
west
virginia
delegates
not
too
long
ago
through
the
introductions
of
senator
manchin's
office,
maybe
about
a
month
or
so
ago.
So
you
know
we're
we're,
obviously
eager
to
have
those
conversations,
work
with
partners
and
figure
out
how
how
third
way
could
could
best
help
with
this
type
of
broader
mission
of
market
development
for
advanced
reactors.
A
Great
thanks
for
that
we're
starting
to
get
a
few
questions
in
the
chat.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
submit
it
there,
you
can
also
raise
your
hand
and
ask
sort
of
in
person,
but
one
question
from
senator
carroll
of
kentucky.
A
He
was
curious,
whether
you're
familiar
with
the
the
way
stored
at
the
em
cleanup
site
in
paducah
kentucky,
and
is
this
the
material
that
tara
power
described
as
the
fuel
for
their
process,
whether
some
waste
materials
can
be
used
for
advanced
nuclear
fuels.
B
Yeah,
you
know
my
understanding
of
the
ways
to
paducah
is
that
those
were
sort
of
the
remnants
from
uranium
enrichment
facilities
in
that
site.
So
this
is
depleted.
Uranium
terrapower
for
their
reactor
would
need
you
know,
sort
of
the
opposite
of
depleted
uranium.
They
would
need
high.
You
know
higher
enriched
uranium
than
normally
used
by
by
conventional
nuclear
power
plants,
so
in
some
sense
it
would
it
would
need
a
material
that
would
need
to
be
enriched
further
from
probably
what's
lying
around
in
paducah.
B
When
I
meant
waste,
I'm
primarily
talking
about
spent
nuclear
fuel,
which
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
around
the
country
just
sitting
out
in
dry
casks
outside
the
plant
sites,
you
know
was
supposed
to
go
to
yucca
mountain
until
obviously
you
know
that
that
whole
program
fell
apart
and
if
you,
if
you
look
at
spent
nuclear
fuel,
there's
a
lot
of
energy
content
within
it.
You
know
it's
not
just
waste,
it's
it's!
B
It's
potentially
an
energy
source,
especially
if
you
connect
it
with
some
of
these
advanced
reactors
that
could
tap
into
that
like
an
atrium
or
a
fast
reactor
like
what
terrapower
is
developing.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
going
to
be
you
know
commercial
recycling
or
processing
in
the
near
term.
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
further
research
and
investigation
going
into
that
right
now,
but
you
know
in
the
future.
B
Obviously
you
know
if
there's
a
way
to
to
to
reuse
and
tap
into
the
energy
that's
contained
within
spent
nuclear
fuel.
I
think
that
could
be.
That
could
be
a
massive
boon
in
terms
of
energy
security
and
energy
sustainability
in
this
country.
A
Great
thank
you
for
for
that.
I
think
that
that
clarified
things
real,
quick
question
on
the
helio
fuel
does
there
need
to
be
any
action
at
the
federal
level
in
order
to
permit
the
the
processing
of
or
the
enrichment
past
a
certain
level
four
commercial
reactors,
or
is
that
just
something
that's
in
an
industry
issue
that
needs
to
be
solved?
A
supply
chain
issue.
B
Yeah
that
that
it
is,
it
is
an
industry
issue,
there's
sort
of
a
chicken
in
the
egg
problem
going
on
right
now,
in
that
you
know
these,
these
reactors
need
halo,
but
noah.
None
of
the
current
current
uranium
enrichers
want
to
invest
to
expand
their
facilities
to
produce
halo
without
without
these
reactors
actually
being
built,
and
of
course
you
know
it,
it's
it's
like
what
what's
gonna
what's
gonna
happen?
First
right,
so
you
know
part
of
our
efforts.
Right
now
is
to.
B
There
is
a
a
program
at
us
department
of
energy
called
the
advanced
nuclear
fuel
availability
program,
and
you
know
the
sa.
The
sole
one
of
the
main
objectives
of
that
program
is,
to
you
know,
kick
start
commercial
availability
of
this
material.
There's
there's
a
number
of
ways
that
they
can
do
it.
I
think
doa
has
a
lot
of
statutory
flexibility
and
how
they
would
achieve
that
goal.
B
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
pathways
or
options
that
that
that
are
being
considered
is
a
halo
bank
in
which
the
government
buys
up
this
halo.
You
know
make
some
material
and
then
basically
sells
that
off
to
developers
when
they
are
ready,
but
that
would
essentially
send
a
market
signal
for
for
these
enrichment
companies
to
to
start
investing
and
expanding
their
facilities.
So
you
know
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
right
now.
It's
it's
it's
again.
B
I
think
it's
less
of
a
permitting
issue
and
more
of
an
investment,
an
economic
market
issue.
A
Okay
yeah,
thank
you
for
for
clarifying
that
sally.
I
saw
your
hand
up,
but
before
you
I
I
go
to
you.
I'm
gonna
representative
reagan
had
asked
a
couple
of
questions
in
the
chat,
the
the
first
of
which
was
what
is
the?
What
type
of
potential
exists
for
coordination
between
dod
and
fema,
for
risk
reduction
and
increased
grid
resilience
and,
and
then
he
also
had
a
more.
A
On
projections
for
flatter
power
demand
for
the
immediate
future
and
he
wondered
whether
studies
indicated
the
increase
in
electric
demand
from
electric
vehicles
and
transportation,
electrification.
B
Great
questions,
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
have
enough
time
with
the
four
minutes
we
have
left,
but
obviously
if
there
are
any
remaining
questions,
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
field
those
and
set
aside,
maybe
one-on-ones.
If
you
want
to
contact
me
by
email
directly.
But
yes,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know,
the
the
fact
that
you
know
overall,
there's
flat
power.
Demand
in
this
country
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
you
don't
have
sort
of
this
market
push
or
pull
for
large
light
water
reactors.
B
You
know,
if
you
have
electric
vehicles,
you
know
become
mainstream
and
take
part
of
you
know
a
huge
portion
of
the
transportation
fleet
that
could
change
everything
right.
So
I
I
mean,
I
think,
suddenly
you
have
a
much
a
much
greater
projection
for
for
the
need
for
nuclear.
B
Potentially,
you
know,
especially
if
there's
also
demands
for
for
this
energy
to
be
clean.
You
know
whether
you
know
because
of
federal
policy
or
state
level
policy
regarding
dod
and
fema.
Let
me
let
me
answer
in
this
way.
I
I
haven't
looked
specifically
at
that
issue.
B
One
of
one
of
the
areas
that
we've
been
kind
of
engaging
with
department
of
defense
on
is
is
the
pele
project
in
which
they're
looking
to
develop
a
micro
reactor,
for
I,
I
believe,
use
in
forward
bases
so
to
have
a
a
reliable
source
of
power
for
these
bases.
I,
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
they
have
cited
for
that
type
of
a
project
is,
is
there's
a
lot
of
casualties
in
battle.
You
know
battlefields
in
combat
theaters,
where
most
of
those
casualties
are
actually
coming
from
the
transportation
of
fuels.
B
So
if
you
can
have
an
energy
dense
source
that
you
don't
have
to
transport
all
these,
you
know
you
know
gallons
of
diesel,
fuel
and
trucks.
Then
you
don't
have
that
you
know
those
types
of
supply,
vulnerabilities
anymore
and
you
don't
those
supply,
transportation,
caravans
via
trucks
aren't
are
aren't
exposed
to.
You
know,
battlefield
dangers.
B
What
I
will
say
kind
of
overall
in
terms
of
nuclear
and
resiliency.
I
mean
you're
right.
If
you
look
at
other
types
of
energy
technologies,
wind
turbines,
if
you
have
a
hurricane,
you
know
those
things
will
be
ripped
right
off.
You
know
with
it
with
a
nuclear
facility.
B
You
have
a
hardened
facility
hardened
plant,
that's
quite
resilient
to
you,
know
extreme
climate
phenomena,
extreme
weather
phenomena,
to
the
extent
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
looking
at
right
now
is
you
know
if,
if
climate
does
create
more
extreme
weather
weather
phenomena
and
makes
them
more
frequent
going
forward,
then
I
I
think
that
places
increased
priority
in
deploying
nuclear.
For
that
reason,
to
have
not
only
a
clean
energy
source
that
can
mitigate
carbon
and
greenhouse
gases,
but
also
be
resilient
to
the
effects
of
climate
simultaneously.
B
So
something
something
that
we're
looking
at
and
thinking
through
at
the
moment
as
sort
of
a
long-term
project.
A
Thanks
for
that,
so
I
know
we're
running
out
up
on
time,
but
sally.
Do
you
have
a
quick
question,
or
do
you
want
to
talk
with
him
after.
E
Yeah,
I
I
wrote
down
alan's
email,
so
I
think
I'll
just
send
him
a
quick
keynote.
A
Thank
you,
and,
and
as
alan
mentioned,
you
know,
everyone
hope
we
will
be
sending
out
the
slides
again.
If,
if
anyone
is
interested
in
a
recording
of
the
the
meeting,
we
will
send
that
along
as
well
so
alan's
contact
information
is
in
there.
If
you
have
follow-up
questions,
either
email
him
or
email
christopher,
and
I
we
will
track
down
that
information
for
you.
A
So
with
that,
I
want
to
thank
alan
and
everyone
else
for
for
joining
and
participating
in
the
discussion
today
we
do
have
another
meeting
scheduled
for
october
11th
that
will
explore
spent
nuclear
fuel
and
some
of
the
proposals
around
interim
storage
projects
in
texas
and
new
mexico.
Obviously
the
other
flip
side
of
the
equation
when
talking
about
the
nuclear
industry
moving
forward.