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Nuclear Energy Legislative Working Group (10/11/21)
B
A
C
D
I
think
we
can
get
get
started.
Thank
you
all
for
for
being
here
today.
As
dan
just
mentioned,
we
are
recording
the
meeting,
but
the
meeting
will
only
be
available
via
a
private
link
to
nlwg
members.
It
will
not
be
a
public-facing
link
and
it's
only
available
for
60
days
from
the
date
of
the
meeting.
D
So
if
you
are
interested
or
want
to,
you
know
catch
up
or
review,
just
please
reach
out
to
one
of
us,
dan
or
I
and
we'll
definitely
be
able
to
share
that
link
with
you
a
couple
other
housekeeping
items
before
we
get
started.
Please
stay
on
mute.
If
you're
not
participating,
you
can
raise
your
hand
or
use
the
group
chat
in
zoom,
as
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
aware
by
now
and
yeah,
if
you're
comfortable
using
video,
that's
great,
we
love
seeing
all
your
faces.
So
we
appreciate
your
time
today.
D
Another
item
we'd
like
to
you
know,
start
the
meeting
with
an
acknowledgment
that
today
is
a
federal
holiday,
so
we
didn't
quite
realize
when
we
were
scheduling
that
today
was
both
columbus
day
and
indigenous
people's
day.
So
thanks
for
taking
time
if
you're
you
do
have
the
day
off.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
D
You
may
ask
yourself
why
it's
important
for
us
to
include
acknowledgement
as
part
of
our
meeting
today,
so
I'll
refer
to
a
passage
written
by
scholar,
natanya
and
pulley.
She
writes
an
acknowledgement,
is
more
than
identifying
or
recognizing
someone
or
something
acknowledging
is
also
an
act
of
honoring
blessing
celebrating
and
thinking.
D
There
is
responsibility
inherent
in
acknowledging
one
another
to
acknowledge
us
to
recognize
one's
own
positionality
and
to
accept
what
that
means
for
today
and
tomorrow,
as
well
as
the
past.
Land
acknowledgements
are
moments
of
acceptance
and
acceptance.
That
just
doesn't
happen
in
the
mind
or
heart,
but
is
informed
by
and
demonstrated
by
all
that
we
are
and
all
that
we
do.
D
We
accept
that
the
land
has
long
held
indigenous
languages,
ideas,
bodies,
creations
and
movements,
and
we
don't
just
listen
for
echoes
of
that
past,
but
we
reflect
on
what
it
means
for
the
land
to
still
hold
those
languages
and
peoples.
Today,
when
we
acknowledge
the
land
and
first
peoples,
we
also
honor
time
in
that
cruel
and
beautiful
way
that
the
past
is
never
truly
in
the
past,
but
carries
forward
to
today
to
right
now
through
thoughtful
and
purposeful
acknowledgments.
D
So
since
our
office
is
located
in
in
denver,
we
thought
an
acknowledgement
of
the
tribal
nations
that
reside
and
have
cultural
and
historical
connections
to
the
denver
area
would
be
appropriate.
According
to
the
american
library
association,
denver
is
the
ancestral
traditional
and
contemporary
grounds
of
the
arapaho
tribe,
as
laid
out
in
the
1851
treaty
of
fort
laramie.
D
So
all
that
is
to
say,
you
know,
although
indigenous
communities
may
not
physically
reside
in
the
area,
it
is
important
to
recognize
that
indigenous
people
still
have
a
connection
to
their
ancestral
lands
and
we
should
share
and
acknowledge
this
out
of
respect
to
indigenous
communities
throughout
the
nation
and,
if
you're
interested
in
doing
sort
of
your
own
land
acknowledgement
or
simply
learning
more
about
indigenous
peoples
that
have
connections
to
your
home
city
or
or
region,
we'll
be
sharing
an
interactive
website.
Slash
map
in
the
chat.
D
This
is
a
link
to
a
map
that
shows
the
different
sort
of
historical
tribal
regions
overlaid
on
a
modern
map
of
the
united
states.
So
you
can
type
in
actually
your
home,
address
or
or
a
city
or
region,
and
see
what
tribes
historically
occupy
that
area.
And
so,
since
we're
having
a
virtual
meeting
and
we're
spread
all
throughout
the
united
states,
we
thought
it
would
be
a
good
way
for
members
to
kind
of
do
an
individual
land
acknowledgement
or
just
learn
more
about
tribal
lands
in
the
u.s
right.
D
D
So
the
first
of
those
kind
of
intergovernmental
webinar
sessions
is
for
the
office
of
environmental
management,
strategic
vision.
The
office
is
seeking
group
feedback
on
the
strategic
vision
that
was
published
sometime
earlier
this
year.
It's
the
strategic
vision
2021-2031,
I
think
dan's
putting
that
link
in
the
chat
and
it's
also
on
the
the
meeting
agenda
and
we'll
circulate
it
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
today
as
well.
D
So
just
in
a
few
days
and
then
looking
forward,
there
might
be
one
or
two
intergovernmental
meeting
sessions.
Virtual
of
course,
during
the
week
of
the
previously
planned
in-person
meeting,
details
are
forthcoming
on
that
and
then
we're
they're,
essentially
moving
the
intergovernmental
meeting
to
spring
of
2022
and
gonna
be
hosting
two
intergovernmental
meetings
in
2022.
D
D
A
Just
to
clarify
christopher
I
I
think
I
might
have
missed
it,
but
there
are
two
competing
options
being
being
weighed
by
the
planning
committee,
the
two
intergov
meetings,
one
in
the
spring
in
the
fall
and
then
to
do
individual
group
meetings
and
then
an
intergov
meeting.
So
one
of
each
we
have
traditionally
done
so
in
in
that
case,
we're
still
in
the
process
of
sort
of
figuring
that
out
with
the
group.
D
If
you
would
like
to
participate,
there's
also
a
question
regarding
what
individual
nlwg
meeting
topics
and
sessions
you
would
look
forward
to
or
speakers
that
you
have
in
mind,
so
feel
free
to
note
that
in
the
survey
or
you
know,
message
us
in
the
chat
or
reach
out
individually
mindy.
I
see
you
have
a
question.
E
I
was
just
going
to
add
in
for
those
who
don't
know
me:
I'm
mindy
bridges.
I
also
work
at
ncsl
with
dan
and
christopher
and
gretchen
and
aaron
hiroso
on
the
meeting.
My
staff
are
on
the
stay
in
tribal
government
working
group,
so
your
state
agencies
and
native
american
tribes
are
also
impacted
by
the
cleanup
of
the
nuclear
weapons
complex.
E
So
they
you
know,
I'm
also
involved
with
the
planning
for
the
meeting
and
there's
six
groups,
including
nlwg,
that
participates
in
our
governmental
group
scene,
so
lots
of
ncsl
staff
involved
and
just
wanted
to
introduce
myself
and
kind
of
mention
one
of
the
other
groups.
That's
involved
with
intergovernmental
meetings.
Since
there's,
probably
several
that
haven't
attended
before.
D
D
So
with
so
sort
of
you
know
administrative
items
being
taken
care
of,
I
would.
I
would
like
to
turn
the
floor
over
to
senator
maddie
hunter
from
illinois
she's,
the
co-chair
of
the
nlwg
meeting
or
sorry
nlwg
group
and
she's
offered
to
provide
an
update
regarding
the
recent
illinois
climate
and
equitable
jobs
act
and
its
implications
on
on
energy,
as
well
as
as
nuclear
in
her
state.
So
I'll
turn
the
floor
over
to
you
senator
hunter.
C
Thank
you
very
much
chris
and
dan
for
having
me
here
today.
I
apologize
for
the
snafu
we
had
at
last
meeting
was
just
a
miscommunication
on
the
time,
but
I'm
here
now
and
chris.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
update
for
activities
from
for
next
year.
Meetings
for
next
year,
as
well
as
that
wonderful
historical
perspective
on
indigenous
people.
That
was
really
wonderful.
So
thanks
very
much
so
good
afternoon.
C
Everyone,
as
you
know,
I'm
state,
senator
matty
hunter
from
illinois,
the
third
legislative
district
and
as
the
co-chair
of
ncso's
nuclear
legislative
work
group.
I'm
happy
to
be
here
with
you
for
today's
webinar
and
I'd
like
to
just
simply
welcome
you
especially
spending
your
time
with
us
today
on
a
holiday
before
we
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
today's
topic.
I
am
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
clean
energy
and
how
illinois
is
working
to
combat
climate
change.
C
As
you
all
know,
the
united
nations
intergovernmental
panel
on
climate
change
report
on
the
state
global
warming
was
particularly
alarming
and
it
made
clear
that
we
need
to
do
more
in
order
to
save
our
planet
from
the
worst
of
climate
change,
to
take
much
needed
climate
action
on
the
state
level.
My
colleagues
in
our
state
legislature
have
been
working
on
a
comprehensive
climate
package
for
at
least
18
years.
It
could
have
gone
into
two
years.
C
C
We
saved
thousands
of
good
paying
jobs
at
carbon
free
nuclear
power
plant
and
created
thousands
more
in
the
grain
energy
industry.
Keeping
nuclear
plants
open
will
save
28,
000
direct
and
indirect
jobs.
Increasing
illinois
renewable
portfolio
standards
target
to
50
percent
will
create
more
than
50
000
new
jobs.
In
addition,
we
are
creating
a
number
of
statewide
programs
to
help
train
workers
for
the
new
clean
energy
economy
and
provide
a
pipeline
for
good
paying
jobs.
C
We
are
creating
a
new
clean
energy
economy
by
taking
steps
to
ensure
everyone
has
fair
access
to
these
to
those
job,
investments
and
opportunities.
A
special
grant
program
will
address
the
economic
and
social
impacts
of
coal,
natural
gas
and
nuclear
plant
closures
to
help
residents
find
good
paying
jobs
and
allow
communities
to
maintain
high
quality
public
services.
C
Furthermore,
we're
holding
tom
ed
responsible
for
its
ethical
failures
by
setting
in
place
new
safeguards
to
help
ensure
no
utility
company
ever
again
tries
to
break
the
law
for
a
financial
gain
to
encourage
the
use
of
electric
vehicles
senate
bill.
2408
establishes
a
state
goal
of
one
million
new
electric
vehicles
by
2030..
C
To
get
there
even
faster
we've,
more
than
doubled
the
state's
budget
for
renewable
energy
and
set
a
goal
of
50
renewable
energy
by
2040..
We
significantly
expanded
energy
efficiency
incentives,
especially
those
for
low
income.
Weatherization
improvements,
improved
energy
efficiency,
saves
consumers
money
and
helps
protect
the
environment.
By
drawing
down
demand
for
electricity
and
gas.
C
We
also
establish
the
public
school
carbon
free
assessment
program
to
improve
investments
in
energy
efficiency
and
renewable
energy
technology
at
all.
The
public
schools
throughout
the
state
of
illinois
we've
created
a
program
to
allow
customers
to
finance
energy
efficiency
upgrades
through
their
utility
bills,
we're
requiring
all
privately
owned.
Large
coal
to
close
by
2030
all
privately
owned
natural
gas
plants
must
either
repower
to
a
carbon
free
source
like
green
hydrogen
or
close
by
twenty
forty
five
we're
requiring
municip
municipally
owned
coal
to
reduce
emissions
by
45
by
2035.
C
Ultimately,
I
am
glad
to
to
be
able
to
pass
such
a
trailblazing
piece
of
legislation
with
the
implementation
of
this
package.
Illinois
is
becoming
a
leader
on
clean
energy
and
the
rest
of
the
country
can
learn
from
us.
I
am
confident
that
we
have
made
strides
that
will
impact
people
from
different
walks
of
life,
especially
for
black
and
brown
workers,
who
will
have
increased
access
to
employment
opportunities
in
the
energy
sector.
C
I
hope
all
I
hope
you
all
can
be
inspired
by
these
measures
and
inspire
change
in
your
own
communities.
We
all
share
this
planet
together
and
we
each
have
has
a
role
of
protecting
it,
not
just
for
us,
but
for
those
who
come
after
us.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
having
me
and
enjoy
the
rest
of
the
webinar
or
I'll
take
some
questions.
C
A
F
Trying
to
do
something
like
that
in
maryland
matter
of
fact,
we
were
trying
to
transition
from
coal-fired
generation.
We
had
six
coal-fired
plants
in
maryland
and
we
have
retired
two
of
them
and
we're
trying
to
retire
at
least
set
a
date
certain
that
the
remaining
four
were
going
to
be
decommissioned.
C
F
F
C
C
I
did
not
mention
that
we
embr
we
brought
in
mayors
and
chamber
of
commerces
and
every
school
districts.
You
know
trying
to
satisfy
everyone,
labor
and
the
environmentalists.
They
were
the
most
challenging
pieces
that
we
had
to
satisfy
because
everyone
is
concerned
about
their
membership
right,
the
environmentalists
they
wanted
everything
I
mean.
They
literally
wanted
everything
and
I
can
understand
that,
but
when
they
realized
that
that
the
the
ratepayers
were
going
to
have
to
pay
for
it,
they
pulled
back
and
they
said
oh
no.
C
We
will
not
be
blamed
for
an
increase
in
folks
of
bills.
You
know-
and
so
we
just
had
to
stop
the
negotiations
and
you
had
to
start
having
private
meetings
with
different
groups.
You
know
to
find
out
what
what
are
your
issues?
What
do
you?
What
do
you
want
out
of
this?
What
are
you
willing
to
give
up?
You
know
everyone
has
to
sacrifice
in
order
for
us
to
pull
this
thing
together.
You
know
so
we
had
to
have.
C
We
had
to
hold
hands
and
have
counseling
sessions
and
all
kinds
of
things,
and
then
we
lots
of
it
was
personality
conflicts
you
know,
and
so
we
have
to
find
out
which
entity
or
which
group
had
issues
with
certain
staff
that
were
at
the
table
or
what
I
mean
you
know.
So
we
have
to
separate
people
like
like
children.
We
have
to
separate
folks
in
order
to
get
it
done.
C
C
C
A
F
C
And
we
even
had
to
get
the
governor
the
governor,
we
had
reached
a
point
where
we
couldn't
go
any
further,
you
know,
and
so
we
had
to
send
the
governor
in
and
he
had
to
meet
with
certain
folks
in
certain
groups.
You
know
so
we
just
threw
the
whole
kitchen
sink
at
everybody
in
order
to
get
this
thing
done,
because
we
were
determined
to
get
it
done.
C
And
then
the
house
said
absolutely
not,
and
we
have
a
new
speaker
of
the
house
over
there
and
a
number
of
things
he
wasn't
privy
to.
So
we
had
to
go
home,
but
nothing
done
everyone
had.
We
were
just
we.
You
know
we
had
mud
on
our
faces.
It
was
so
embarrassing,
you
know
so
then
we
went
back
down
and
the
house
said:
okay.
Well,
we
are
going
to
pass
this.
C
It
says
house,
since
you
all
have
more
issues
than
we
you
all
pass
it
so
they
passed
it
and
they
made
all
kinds
of
changes,
all
kinds
of
amendments
and
some
of
it
we
did
not
agree
with.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
if
we
wanted
this
thing
done,
we'll
get
it
done
and
we
we.
We
decided
that
if
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
change
it
or
run
a
trailer
bill
during
veto
session,
that's
coming
up
next
week
or
sometime
next
year.
E
A
A
A
C
A
And
and
I'm
I'm,
you
know
a
big
nuclear
fan,
we
actually
have
a
new
scale
nuclear
out
of
oregon
state
university.
That's
that
small
modular
small
community
excuse
me
nuclear,
but,
more
importantly,
there's
we're
going,
has
had
this
big
push
with
regards
to
they
just
passed
a
100
percent
clean
bill,
for
example,
so
we'll
have
100
clean
energy
by
2045.
C
A
C
A
Yes,
thank
you
and
we
will
put
I'll
I'll,
get
the
link
to
the
bill
and
put
that
in
the
chat
as
well.
I
do
want
to
now.
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
much
senator
hunter
illinois
now
is
going
to
continue
to
be
the
largest
producer
of
nuclear
power
in
the
country
number
one
for
quite
a
while
and
they're
going
to
continue
in
that
in
that
position
moving
forward.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
christine.
A
E
Perfect
thanks
dan
and
hi
folks,
I've
been
seeing
a
lot
of
returning
faces,
but
also
new
faces,
which
is
really
exciting
for
me,
because
that
means
I'm
going
to
get
to
know
new
legislators
and
talk
more
about
nuclear
with
all
of
you.
So
thanks
to
dan
and
christopher
for
this
meeting,
I'm
excited
for
us
to
get
back
in
person
and
a
big
salute
to
senator
hunter.
The
hall
that
was
lifted
in
illinois
is
huge.
E
It
was
just
incredibly
important,
and
so
that
was
a
very
deliberate
effort
on
the
heart
of
illinois,
and
that
is
something
that
obviously
we
support
as
an
industry,
and
it
really
is
on
trend
with
what
we're
seeing
nationally
this
trend
of
clean
energy
policies
that
they're
passing
across
the
states,
and
that
comes
in
a
lot
of
forms
and
a
lot
of
you
already
have
them
in
place
in
oregon.
You
just
passed
your
clean
energy
standard.
E
Washington
state
had
a
really
great
clean
energy
standard,
new
mexico
virginia
and
then,
just
last
week,
north
carolina
passed
a
version
of
their
decarbonization
plan,
so
just
some
really
interesting,
smart
policies
that
are
getting
passed
and
we're
seeing
across
the
country
so
and
we're
very
encouraged
that
nuclear
folds
nicely
and
is
treated
evenly
with
other
carbon
free
technologies
and
a
lot
of
these
policies.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
good
work
that
you
all
do.
E
The
other
big
trend
that
we're
seeing
really
is
around
small
modular
reactors
and
new
nuclear,
and
I'm
going
to
put
a
pin
in
that
and
we'll
talk
about
that
on
another
webinar,
because
I
don't
want
to
take
up
any
more
time
from
my
colleague
rod
mccullum,
I'm
very
excited
that
he
has
some
time
that
he
can
share
with
you
guys.
Today.
E
Rod
has
spent
35
years
working
on
nuclear
engineering,
licensing
management
and
regulatory
policies.
So
he
is
an
expert.
Please
do
ask
him
questions.
He
is
currently
the
lead
of
the
industry's
efforts
to
reduce
business
risks
associated
with
used
nuclear
fuel
management
and
commercial
nuclear
plant
decommissioning.
So
he
understands
the
issue.
Broadly.
He
has
previous
positions
with
doe
and
has
worked
at
several
nuclear
power
plants
himself.
He's
got
a
bachelor's
in
nuclear
engineering
and
an
mba,
so
he
understands
the
business
side
and
the
technology
side
of
things.
B
Thank
you
christine,
and
I
see
dan
has
my
slides
up.
I
want
to
begin
by
congratulating
again
senator
hunter.
I
know
I
was
at
zion
the
day
it
shut
down,
and
so
I
know
how
significant
these
things
are.
I
also
want
to
thank
dan
for
that
very
appropriate
and
inspiring
ode
to
the
the
lands
of
indigenous
peoples
and
when
you
think
about
what
senator
hunter
and
your
colleagues
in
illinois
just
went
through
and
and
what
what
dan
was
mentioning
is
really
at
the
intersection
of
these
kinds
of
things.
B
You
know,
if
we're
going
to
what
we
do
with
used.
Fuel
will,
in
large
part,
be
dictated
by
how
we
respect
indigenous
rights
and
how
we
adhere
to
broader
environmental
justice
principles
wherever
we're
going
to
go
with
used
fuel
and,
of
course,
the
interest
in
decarbonization
that
kept
the
illinois
state
legislature
up
that
causes
people
to
look
at
nuclear
as
it
should.
It
causes
them
to
want
to
know
more
about
used
fuel,
so
I'm
sure
glad
we've
got
this
crowd,
I'm
always
honored
to
address
such
a
large
group
of
legislators.
B
I
know
you
guys
don't
get
rich
doing
this.
Your
public
servants
and
we're
glad
you're
doing
it.
I
I
have
I
I
may
have
spoken
with
some
of
you
in
the
before
times.
I
think
I
attended
a
meeting
of
this
committee
back
in
new
orleans,
so
if
I
think
I
somewhat
see
some
familiar
faces,
but
on
zoom
it's
so
hard,
I
I
do
have
a
lot
of
use
fuel
101
in
this
presentation,
and
so
if
something
just
happened
there,
okay,
let's
let's
get
right
to
that.
B
Suddenly
my
view
changed
and
now
I
can't
see
you
excuse
me
a
second
there
we
go.
I
to
the
extent
I
can
see
you
that's
why
dan's
van's
driving
the
slides
so
again
I'll
skip
to
the
basics.
These
are
materials
you'll
have,
if
you
want
to
use
them
with
constituents
or
people
who
are
concerned.
As
you
know,
use
fuel
is
the
most
radioactive
of
materials,
the
the
vast
quantity,
the
vast
majority
of
all
radioactivity
in
a
nuclear
plant
is
in
the
use
fuel
not
talking
about
lower
levels
of
waste
form.
B
So
you
know
what
is
used
fuel.
Well
it
it's
pretty
much
the
same
thing
as
new
fuel
except
it's
had
some
nuclear
reactions
occur
inside
it
every
time
you
split
an
atom
of
uranium
to
make
energy
and
we
get
a
tremendous
amount
of
energy
out
of
these
atoms.
You
you
produce
radioactive
byproducts,
they
stay
within
the
fuel.
One
of
the
things
of
the
mythology
of
used
fuel
is
that
you
know
people
will
talk
about
how
dangerous
it
is.
It
is
one
of
the
most
radioactive
things
on
the
planet,
but
is
also
inherently
containable.
B
The
risk
something
presents
is
both
the
level
of
the
hazard
and
start
my
video
okay.
There
may
be
technical
difficulties.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay?
I
I
see
some
nods.
I
see
the
thumb
great
great
trying
to
communicate
here.
So
you
know
you
look
at
the
record
we've
had
of
containing.
We
we've
been
pulling
these
fuel
assemblies
out
of
the
the
the
plants
for
several
decades.
B
Now
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
industry,
we
store
every
assembly
we've
produced
safely,
there's
never
been
a
release,
there's
no
reason
to
believe
there
will
be
one
people
talk
about
used
fuel
in
terms
of
its
radioactivity,
but
they've
also
got
to
talk
in
terms
of
its
containability
and
I'll
have
some
things
for
here.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
dan
there's
really
only
five
things
we
can
do
with
useful.
We
can
start
inside
the
plant,
which
you
see
in
the
spent
fuel
pools.
B
We
we
can
store
it
outside
the
plant
dry
cast
storage
is,
is
quite
an
industrial
success
story.
I'll
show
you
some
numbers
on
our.
How
many
of
these
systems
we've
deployed?
We
can
store
it
away
from
the
plant.
I
think
the
main
focus
of
your
interest
today
is
consolidated
interim
storage
and
by
the
way
I
would
I
would
welcome
discussion
if
you
want
to
raise
a
hand
during
my
talk.
B
Geologic
disposal
is
the
widely
accepted
solution
internationally
scientifically,
and
it's
really
very
simple:
it's
it's
a
race
between
radiation,
decay
processes
and
geologic
processes.
Physics
tells
us
exactly
how
long
it
takes
these
radioactive
materials
to
decay,
to
the
point
where
they're,
not
radioactive
anymore.
We
also
have
a
very
rich
record
of
examining
the
geology.
B
B
B
Yeah,
so
so
this
is
an
example
of
you
know
what
I
would
call
over
designing
the
protection,
but
I
think
everybody
given
the
radioactive
nature
of
this,
wants
the
protection
to
be
over
designed.
So
we're,
certainly
okay
with
that.
Unfortunately,
the
taxpayers
pay
for
it,
which
is
why
we
do
need
to
get
to
more
efficient
and
final
solutions,
but
there's
a
lot
of
containment
in
the
fuel
itself,
and
if
the
fuel
is
known
to
be
damaged
before
it
goes
into
storage
we
put
yet
another
can
around
it.
B
We
put
another
layer
of
protection,
you
have
the
you
know,
it's
an
inert
atmosphere.
You
have
the
engineered
basket.
You
can
see
to
hold
it
precisely
in
place,
no
moving
parts.
You
know,
then,
of
course
you
have
the
steel
shell
inside
the
concrete
outer
shell.
You
know
one
of
the
things
the
critics
of
used
fuel.
B
Those
who
want
you
to
believe
it's
dangerous
will
will
tell
you
is
that
we
put
it
in
these
thin
walled
casts,
you
know
and
they'll
say,
half
an
inch
five
eighths
of
an
inch,
it's
easy
to
portray
that
as
thin,
and
until
you
start
to
think
about
the
metallurgy
of
stainless
steel.
You
know
the
these
stainless
steel
canisters
are
going
to
last
a
long
long
time
and
we've
actually
got
a
lot
of
science
on
this.
I
guess
the
best
way.
B
I
could
illustrate
it
if
the
skin
on
the
delorean,
which
is
a
stainless
steel
car,
was
as
thick
as
this
kind
of
stainless
steel.
It
would
have
been
way
too
heavy
to
drive
much
less
travel
back
to
the
future,
with
michael
j
fox
and
christopher
lloyd.
So
these
are
not
thin.
Wall
casts.
This
is
a
lot.
This
is
a
major
hunk
of
stainless
steel,
and
a
lot
of
industrial
infrastructure
has
been
devoted
to
producing
these
things.
If
you
haven't
toured
some
of
the
factories
where
these
are
made,
you
you
might
want
to
do
that
someday.
B
It's
very
impressive.
Another
thing,
that's
very
impressive
dan.
If
you
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
is
just
google
hold
tech
missile
cask?
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
show
a
movie
in
the
middle
of
a
presentation
over
zoom,
because
I
know
that'll
just
blow
up
the
internet
but
and
then
you'll
never
see
me
again,
but
you
know
we.
We
we
put
a
missile
into
one
of
these
without
the
outer
concrete
shell.
This
was
actually
you
know.
B
There
are
the
there's,
the
outer
concrete
shell
and
there's
also
another
containment
you
put
over
when
it's
transport,
because
you
can
store
them
and
you
can
transport
them,
and
this
was
more
transportation
focused,
but
600
miles
an
hour.
Only
the
stainless
steel,
shell
and
the
the
the
leak
tightness
of
the
system
was
maintained.
So
a
very
graphic
illustration
of
of
what
that
is.
G
B
Slide,
I
think
it's
always
very
important
to
point
out
before
I
show
the
map
of
where
all
this
stuff
is
stored.
Again
talk
about
how
much
it
is.
I
think
if
you
were
to
live
a
long
life,
you
know
past
the
normal
human
life
expectancy
a
little
bit
and
and
get
all
of
your
electricity
needs
all
of
your
energy
needs
for
nuclear
energy.
You
would
only
produce
an
amount
of
used
fuel.
This
would
fit
in
this
can
of
that
pepsi
here,
but
you
know.
So.
B
If
another
way
of
saying
is
this
football
field
analogy
here,
all
the
fuel
we've
produced
in
60
years
of
generating
carbon
free
nuclear
energy,
it
could
be
if
you
stack
them
all
on
top
of
each
other
which
we're
not
recommending
we
would
would
fit
on
a
a
single
football
field
about
10
yards
high.
That's
a
tremendous
amount
of
energy
for
a
very
small
environmental
footprint.
B
Of
course
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
Then
the
problem
is:
is
it's
very
inefficient
that
we
have
all
these
this
material
in
so
many
different
places?
Your
interest
in
consolidated
internal
storage
is
indeed
key
here,
because
it
would
benefit
the
system
greatly
if
we
could
take
that
small
amount
of
material
and
put
it
in
one
or
two
places
and
of
course
put
it
in
the
geology
where
no
future
civilization
has
to
worry
about
it.
B
This
is
particularly
becoming
a
topic
of
interest
in
communities
around
shutdown
plants
where
we've
gotten
very
good
in
the
united
states
at
decommissioning,
a
nuclear
plant,
taking
it
down
to
a
green
field
except
off
to
the
side
of
that
green
field.
There's
still
going
to
be
one
of
these
dry
cast
storage
facilities
until
we
have
somewhere
to
send
it
so
so
land
can't
be
repurposed.
I
know
again
back
to
zion
that
site
has
been
decommissioned,
they're
waiting,
final
clearance
of
the
land,
but
the
dry
casks
remain
there
as
an
example.
B
So
if
we
can-
but
one
of
the
before
I
leave
this
slide
is
to
point
out,
is
you
know,
we've
deployed
over
3000
of
these
systems?
We
we've
engineered
them
to
be
safe
for
the
long
term.
It
is
not
our
intention
that
they
sit
where
they
are
for
the
long
term
or
that
we
keep
them
on
the
surface
for
the
long
term,
because
remember
we're
all
about
overkill
here,
we
want
to
put
that
final
layer
of
geologic
protection.
On
top
of
all
of
this,
not
our
generation,
the
next
generation.
B
You
know
my
kids
have
grown
to
adulthood.
While
I
was
working
on
this
issue
in
nei,
so
I've
already
missed
one
generation
of
opportunity
to
solve
these
these
things,
and
we
don't
want
to
keep
passing
it
on
to
future
generations,
but
we're
confident
that
the
generations
that
live
today
can
continue
to
effectively
manage
it.
It's
kind
of
a
conundrum.
B
It's
so
well
managed.
Why
worry
about
it?
Well,
it
you
have
to
have
that
long
view
and
that
gets
back
to
what
dan
said
about
the
indigenous
people.
Indigenous
peoples
have
philosophies
tend
to
be
rooted
in
thinking,
seven
generations
ahead.
So
you
have
to
think,
like
a
native
american,
to
really
understand
this
issue
and
again
it's
about
having
the
geologic
processes
win
the
race
to
slowness
against
the
radioactive
decay
processes.
B
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
this
just
shows
some
of
the
science
that
has
gone
into
making
sure
that
these
things
are
safe
for
the
long
term.
You
actually
see
a
solar
powered
dry
cast
here.
Now,
wait
a
minute
yeah.
I
said
there
were
no
moving
parts.
Why
does
it
need
power?
It
doesn't
need
power.
This
is
especially
instrumented
cast.
We
put
instruments
on
there
to
confirm
what
we
believe
is
going
on
inside,
and
they
have
indeed
done
that.
B
In
fact,
they've
shown
that
we
have
over
designed
it
and
it's
working
even
better
than
expected.
We
we
did
this
with
a
previous
cask,
where
we
opened
it
up
and
and
inspected
the
contents.
Well,
we've
got
robots
that
go
in
between
the
steel
shells
and
the
concrete.
You
see,
one
of
them
being
operated
here,
and
you
see
what
happened
in
southern
california,
before
the
people
of
southern
california
were
going
to
accept,
tearing
that
plant
down.
B
They
wanted
to
know
the
fuel
that
would
be
would
be
safe
there
without
the
plant
there
to
support
it,
and
so
the
california
coastal
commission
gave
a
lot
of
scrutiny
to
okay.
How
can
we
manage
these
things
for
the
long
term?
What
if
we
see
a
spot
of
corrosion
on
the
side
of
one
of
these
stainless
steel?
Canisters
and
you
know,
can
we
repair
it
and
we
demonstrated
it
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
california
coastal
commission
and
they
were
a
tough
audience
as
they
should
be
that
we
could?
B
Indeed,
our
robots
could
go
in
inside
those
shells
and
and
repair
it
now
again,
that's
why
it's
important
to
note
how
thick
a
half
an
inch
of
stainless
steel
is,
because
you
know
it
would
take
corrosion
decades
to
eat
through
that,
and
you
know
it's
a
sign
of
the
first
spot,
because
we
we
do
inspect
samples
of
these
and
we
we
do
have
science
that
that
note.
That
tells
us
where
our
most
corrosive
environments
are
where
we
need
to
be
looking.
B
Misunderstood
material
that
is
spent
fuel,
but
if
you
look
at
the
record
of
containing
it
it
it,
it
proves
the
science
that
that
we
have
and
the
systems
work.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide
dan
again,
I
alluded
to
what
is
your
interest
here?
Why
consolidate
it
because
all
those
robots
and
all
that
infrastructure,
having
that
in
one
place,
having
all
the
security
in
one
place,
consolidating
an
environment
where
the
air
is
not
corrosive
at
all?
You
know:
we've
been
looking
at
locations
in
in
relatively
arid
spaces.
B
Now
some
of
those
spaces
also
happen
to
be
of
interest
to
the
tribes
and
to
other
communities.
So
again,
we
have
to
do
this
at
the
intersection
of
good
energy
policy
and
good
environmental
justice
policy,
but
really
getting
the
materials
all
in
one
place
allows
them
to
be
most
effectively
managed
for
a
couple
places
until
we
can
get
agreement
on
where
to
do
geologic
disposal.
B
You
you
create
environmental
opportunity
both
in
the
community
that
now
has
land
it
can
repurpose
the
there
are
some
communities
by
the
way
that
have
torn
down
an
old
nuclear
plant
and
are
thinking
maybe
of
building
a
new
nuclear
plant
on
that
same
site.
One
of
these
small
reactors
christine
talked
about
you
know
that's
kind
of
the
way
modernization
goes.
You
know
you
don't
keep
driving
the
model
t
you
move,
you
move
on
to
the
delorean
and
beyond.
So
you
know
that
that's
that's!
B
A
healthy
energy
segment
there
and
again
moving
the
fuel
helps,
keep
that
going,
even
if
you
wanted
to
put
some
other
form
of
industrial
or
even
recreational
or
just
take
it
back
to
nature.
There's
opportunities
in
doing
this
and
again,
if
you
had
interim
storage,
you
could
let
the
debate
over
geological
disposal
take
the
time
it
needs
to
take
you'll
hear
about
consent
based
siding
consent
is
not
something
that
comes
with
the
stroke
of
a
pen.
B
Consent
is
something
you
have
to
earn
over
time
and
when
you're
talking
about
final
solutions
when
you're
looking
seven
generations
ahead,
you
need
to
take
your
time
and
making
sure
you've
got
it
right
and
you've
got
all
the
stakeholders
understanding
what's
going
on
here
and
and
and
and
on
board.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
how
are
we
doing
well
mixed
right
now?
I
know
we've
got
a
couple
representatives
from
new
mexico.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
anybody
from
texas
on
here
again
the
the
trials
and
tribulations
of
zoom.
B
I
might,
I
might
have
gone
around
the
room
before
we
started
and
looked
at
your
badge
as
if
we
were
in
there.
If
we
were
in
a
room
or
looked
at
your
name,
tents,
but
anyway,
the
texas
project
recently
received
a
license
from
the
nrc
they
they
could.
Therefore,
they
could
begin
constructing
it
immediately,
except
the
state
of
texas
passed
the
law
banning
it
and
the
question
exists,
and
here
we
get
to
the
intersection
of
environmental
justice.
A
little
bit.
B
Can
a
state
ban
a
federal
license
facility
and
should
a
federal
license
facility
attempt
to
be
built
in
a
state
that
banned
it.
Well,
the
governor
of
texas
is
going
to
test
that
he's
already
taken
it
to
court.
The
licensee
had
no
intention
of
going
straight
to
court
whether
they
might
have
at
some
point.
Their
business
model
looks
pretty
far
ahead.
They're
looking
at
this
over
the
life
of
many
nuclear
plants,
so
they've
got
their
license.
B
B
There
is
a
third
project
that
received
its
license
back
in
2006
private
fuel
storage.
That
license
still
exists.
I
don't
know
any
real
major
groundswell
of
hey.
Let's
get
that
back.
That
was
one
where
yes,
the
state
of
utah
post
it
again.
If
you
focus
on
how
radioactive
this
stuff
is,
instead
of
how
inherently
containable
it
is,
you
tend
to
you
tend
to
generate
opposition
pretty
fast
and
the
as
if
the
process
never
really
got
to
an
end.
B
B
B
It
just
evaporated,
but
the
project
license
is
still
being
maintained.
So
you
never
know,
and
the
business
case
for
both
the
whole
tech
and
the
interim
storage
partners
project
is
tied
to
the
the
decommissioning
business
models.
I
talked
about
how
good
we've
gotten
at
decommissioning
in
this
country.
We
are
the
leader
in
the
world,
primarily
because
we
know
where
to
send
the
reactor
parts
all
those
low-level
waste
disposal
facilities
I
alluded
to
earlier
and
and
the
same
companies
that
own
the
decommissioned
sites
own
these
two
facilities.
So
it's
part
of
their
business
model.
B
B
B
You
know
people
like
to
say
well,
because
you
don't
have
the
final
solution
to
use
fuel,
you
don't
know
you
can
move
it
and
I
mean
while
moving.
It
must
be
really
scary
and
dangerous,
because
it's
highly
radioactive
and
now
it's
out
on
the
roads,
those
are
all
red
hair.
It's
a
stack
of
red
herrings
is
basically
what
that
is.
We
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
experience
which
is
summarized
in
this
slide
and
dan
on
the
next
slide.
B
After
that,
you
see
that
again
we
we
trade
an
overkill
in
this
business.
These
these
are
not
your
ordinary
trains
they're,
not
just
rumbling
down
with
with
routine
cargo.
These
are
specially
designed,
there's
a
lot
of
security
in
the
caboose.
There
was
actually
some
shipments
going
between
nuclear
plants.
Many
years
ago
they
were
rolling
by
a
prison
about
around
the
time
a
couple
prisoners
escaped
and
what
do
escape
prisoners?
B
Do
they
jump
on
trains,
but
they
shouldn't
jump
on
nuclear
waste
trains,
because,
within
seconds
of
climbing
up
on
one
of
those
spacer
cars,
they
were
staring
down
the
the
end
of
some
gun
barrels
of
some
very
big
guns.
So
these
things
are
very
well
protected
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
dan,
just
some
factoids-
this
is
just
a
collection.
The
next
slide
is
just
a
collection
of
factoids,
of
how
much
experience
we've
had
transfer
transporting
all
over
the
world.
B
All
over
the
united
states
naval,
fuel,
commercial
fuel-
you
know
in
france,
they
re
they
do
that
recycling
step.
I
talked
about,
and
so
they
are
routinely
transport
you.
You
can't
travel
around
france
without
encountering
a
nuclear
spent
fuel
shipment.
At
some
point,
so
you
know
those
are
just
some
factoids
for
your
use
going
to
the
next
slide.
I
will
not
talk
much
about
the
nuclear
waste
policy
act.
It
still
is
the
law
of
the
land.
You
can
see
its
checkered
history,
you
can
see
it
was
signed
by
ronald
reagan.
B
B
But
during
the
obama
administration
we
decided
we
were
going
to
try
to
use
a
consent-based
sighting
process
that
go
to
the
next
slide
dan,
the
the
nuclear
waste
policy
act.
It
was
a
consent
based
process
up
to
a
point
until
the
1987
amendments
pointed
at
nevada
and
cut
off
other
alternatives
and
created
a
lot
of
stuff.
I
won't
talk
about
in
terms
of
bad
blood,
but
the
blue
ribbon
commission
chartered
under
the
obama
administration,
laid
out
a
new
path
forward.
B
That
path
obviously
wasn't
pursued
and
I'm
registered
independent
here,
but
so
it
kind
of
I
can
criticize
either
side
almost
equally
as
well.
But
you
know
if,
when
we
live
in
a
world
where
one
side
says
black,
the
other
side
has
to
say
white.
So
this
process
was
put
in
advance
during
the
trump
administration,
but
it
is
coming
back.
B
This
is
how
the
biden
administration
will
will
proceed
and
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
dan,
you
can
see
that
it's
it's
kind
of
a
journey
where
you
don't
know
where
you're
going
as
you
get
started,
I
mean,
if
you've
ever
taken,
that
kind
of
a
vacation.
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
you
have
to
you-
have
to
adjust
and
adapt
as
as
you
go
along,
and
that's
why
these
ideas
that
consent
is
just
some
grand
proclamation
at
the
beginning
of
a
project
won't
work.
B
It
takes
work
of
of
a
lot
of
people,
and
a
lot
of
learned
bodies
have
studied
this
and
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide
dan
in
the
global
context,
there
are
several
countries
that
are
succeeding
with
an
adaptive
or
phased
process
for
sighting
spent
fuel
facilities.
Finland
is,
is
under
construction,
they've
got
their
license,
they'll
be
the
first
to
actually
set
in
motion
that
race
between
geology
and
radioactive
decay.
France
is
a
real
great
example
of
what
I
mean
by
adaptive
phase
management.
B
They
in
consultation
with
local
authorities
have
decided
to
go
first
with
a
pilot
phase,
learn
from
the
pilot
phase
reconsult
with
the
local
authorities,
maybe
change
the
design,
maybe
change
the
location
of
the
entrance
tunnels.
The
the
local
authorities
have
have
input
to
all
that,
canada
by
partnering,
with
the
what
they
call
the
first
nations.
The
indigenous
communities
has
been
running
a
process
where
22
volunteer
sites
have
been
narrowed
down
to
two
and
in
most
cases
the
ones
that
got
knocked
off
the
list
that
you
know
they
they
felt
disappointed.
B
They
felt
like
they
did
not
win
and
and
and
so
they're
doing.
The
geology
on
on
those
last
two
switzerland
is
is
looking
at
a
number
of
sites,
and,
and
sweden
is
actually
finland
copied
sweden's
process.
The
anti-nuclear
movement
in
sweden
has
has
slowed
things
down
in
sweden's
environmental
courts
just
a
bit,
so
sweden
will
be
behind
finland,
if
not
france
and
some
of
the
other
countries,
but
they
they
have
a
sound
process
there.
Again.
B
All
of
these
consent
base
and
many
of
these
countries
have
have
pursued
the
efficiency
of
interim
storage
ahead
of
disposal,
knowing
that
in
an
adaptive
phase
process
it
takes
it,
takes
time
and
and
you're
better
off,
consolidating
out
then
going
to
the
next
slide.
Your
decarbonization
yeah.
You
guys
know
all
this,
especially
those
of
you
in
illinois
that
just
saved
some
nuclear
plants.
B
You
know
you
got
you
got
here,
you
got
yeah
go
back
there,
just
saying
you
got
a
demo,
you
got
a
democratic
secretary
of
energy
who
gets
it
why
we
need
to
decarbonize
and
why
we
need
to
do
something
with
used
fuel
as
we're
doing
that
you
got
the
republican
governor
of
wyoming
standing
up
here,
saying
that
he
wants
to
repurpose
a
coal
plant
with
a
nuclear
plant.
Now
that's
in
a
coal
state
and
you
and
all
along
corporate
america
has
been
on
this
bandwagon.
B
You
see
the
you
know,
general
motors
commitment
to
electric
cars
and
the
the
surfer
who
survived
a
shark
attack,
and
really
I
always
like
to
point
that
out
to
mention
that
really.
This
is
all
about
survival.
It's
about
survival
of
the
planet,
it's
about
our
survival
as
a
collective
civilization,
and
all
these
issues
come
together.
Some
reading
some
reading
homework
for
you
on
the
next
slide.
B
You
know,
just
in
this
last
month
the
government
accounting
office
put
together
a
real,
thorough
report.
It
pretty
much
explains
and
and
urges
the
government
to
follow
through
on
the
blue
ribbon
commission
report.
Senator
markey
and
representative
levin
have
introduced
a
bill
to
form
a
task
force
to
try
to
define
consent.
B
Now
that
could
be,
you
know
without
saying
a
lot
about
senator
markey
and
his
his
record
on
nuclear.
I
hope
we
get
a
definition
of
consent,
that's
workable
out
of
whoever's
committee,
and
then
you
know
you
have
also
this
congressional
spent
fuel
solutions,
caucus
which
hasn't
done
much.
It's
kind
of
looking
for
its
place,
and
I
know
levin's
also
on
that
so
you're
you're
already
starting
to
see
some
things
happen.
I
think
you'll
see
a
lot
more.
B
It's
getting
off
to
a
slow
start,
but
I
I
think
again
the
interest
of
decarbonized
is
strong.
The
interest
in
nuclear,
as
part
of
that
is
strong
and
there's
going
to
be
enough.
People
asking
the
question
that
brought
you
all
in
this
meeting
about
spent
fuel
go
to
the
next
slide
dan.
There
is
a
way
that
you
could
actually
build
a
nuclear
plant
that
comes
with
its
own
disposal
right
under
there.
It's
a
deep
isolations,
there's
a
there's,
a
reference
to
a
report.
B
Here
you
can
look
at
where
you
build
a
react
now,
citing
a
reactor
might
be
a
challenge
citing
a
repository
might
be
a
challenge
doing
both
at
the
same
time.
That's
got
to
be
easy
right,
but
by
going
even
deeper
down
see
the
the
the
geologic
repositories
I've
been
talking
about
are
only
a
few
hundred
meters
below
the
surface
here
you're
going
a
couple
kilometers
below
and
ironically,
the
technology
we've
been
using
for
fracking
is
what
now
enables
that,
because
we've
proven
it
with
the
fracking
industry
and
nobody's
fracking
nuclear
waste?
B
Don't
ever
confuse
that,
but
you
can
you
know
what
the
fracking
people
do?
Is
they
run
equipment
down
the
ground?
They
blast
things
into
the
geology
and
then
they
bring
their.
They
want
their
equipment
back
well,
retrievability
is
a
key
component
and
I've
seen
a
demonstration
of
this
at
an
oil
rig
in
texas.
B
You
can
put
a
spent
fuel
assembly
down
one
of
these
as
it
comes
out
of
the
reactor
and
you
can
retrieve
it
if
you
need
b
for
recycling
or
you
can
get
a
repository,
and
you
want
to
do
something
different
so
that
it's
another
options
out
there.
I
think
you'll
be
deployed
first
in
some
small
countries
out
there
that
don't
have
the
wherewithal
for
the
big
repositories.
I
know
deep
isolation
has
a
contract
with
slovenia
to
look
at
this
and
then
the
last
two
slides
I'll
be
very
quick.
B
You
know
here's
the
recycling
option.
You
know
this
is
remarkable
because
re
recycling
or
reprocessing
has
always
been
even
more
unpopular
than
some
of
the
other
things
we
do
with
used
fuel
and
particularly
amongst
the
non-proliferation
community,
which
is
we
need
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
is
in
sync
with
the
non-corporation
community.
B
But
here
you
have
a
democratic
administration
spending
money
on
reprocessing.
We
have
the
advanced
reactor
vendors,
some
of
them
think
they
can
get
to
their
fuel
more
economically
by
starting
with
used
fuel
than
fresh
uranium,
and
doesn't
that
make
a
little
sense
to
use
the
resources
you've.
Already
taken
out
of
the
ground
and
not
producing
new
spent
fuel,
but
using
the
the
old
spin
fuel
still
needing
to
dispose
of
all
those
radioactive
byproducts,
so
there's
an
advanced
reactor
community
very
interested
in
this
and
with
respect
to
your
time
dan.
B
However,
now
we
got
somebody
pushing
as
well
as
pulling
because
it's
the
interest
in
decarbonization
it's
like
well.
Can
we
get
this
used
fuel
taken
care
of,
so
we
can
build
more
carbon
free
energy.
So
now
we
have
not
just
trying
to
to
you
know
to
pull
the
fuel
to
a
solution
but
pushing
it
too,
and-
and
I
think
that
is
going
to
be
a
game
changer.
I
think
it's
not
going
to
happen
overnight.
You're
not
going
to
snap.
B
Your
fingers
and
we're
in
a
different
world
with
this,
but
I
am
very
confident
that
at
some
point
in
my
career
before
I
pass
this
on
to
yet
another
generation
christine
talked
about
how
much
experience
I
have.
That
means
I'm
I'm
spanning
generations
here
we
still
haven't
disposed
of
spent
fuel,
but
I'm
confident
we'll
get
there
before
we
get
to
another
generation.
So
hopefully
this
information
wasn't
too
much,
hopefully,
you'll
be
able
to
use
it,
and
you
know
christine-
and
I
always
stand
ready
to
to
provide
any
support.
D
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
presentation.
It's
really
informative
and
you
know
I
I
personally
learned
a
lot,
so
I'm
sure
some
other
people
did
as
well
and
liked
getting
the
your
perspective
on
on
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
We
did
want
to
open
the
floor
to
a
couple
of
representatives
from
new
mexico
who
offered
to
to
share
some
thoughts
on
the
interim
storage
issue.
So,
as
representative
chandler,
I
think
I
still
see
you
here.
D
H
Great
and
I'm
pleased
to
participate
along
with
my
colleague,
representative
brown,
I
I
think
that
rod
did
a
very
good
overview
about
kind
of
the
status
of
the
two
facilities
that
are
in
our
neck
of
the
woods.
The
southern
part
of
new
mexico
and
right
over
the
border
in
andrews
county,
the
other
facility
and
the
kind
of
political
legal
posture
of
the
texas
situation
is
now
informing.
The
political
is
informing
individuals
in
our
state
as
well
in
terms
of
potential
strategies.
H
There
are
pockets
of
support,
but
the
governor,
the
attorney
general,
a
number
of
senators
and
representatives
have
been
on
the
record
as
actively
and
vigorously
opposing
the
sighting
of
of
the
whole
tech
eddy
county
alliance
facility
in
the
southern
part
of
the
state.
I
think
that's
a
fair
characterization
of.
H
What's
going
on
with
texas
now
jumping
on
I'm
expecting
that
we'll
be
learning
more
about
their
strategies
and
so
on,
and
I
would
expect
that
there
will
be
efforts
to
follow
suit
and
literally
and
figuratively,
so
that's
kind
of
the
status.
The
opposition
falls
within
all
kinds
of
categories
that
you
all
have
probably
seen
before.
There's
concerns
about
health
and
safety.
There's
concerns
about
the
radioactivity
there's
concerns
about
transportation,
both
by
rail
and
otherwise.
H
If
you
want
to
put
it
that
way,
so
new
mexico
and
other
sites
that
are
are
asked
to
do
this
for
the
country.
Lastly,
I'd
point
out:
we
have
the
website
which
it
holds
a
different
kind
of
hazardous
material,
but
nonetheless
radioactive
and
hazardous
material
and
the
concern
is
we're
now
being
viewed
as
a
as
a
a
great
place
for
these
kinds
of
activities.
G
Thank
you,
representative
chandler
yeah,
it's
an
honor
to
serve
with
representative
chandler.
We
we
are
somewhat
on
different
sides
of
the
fence
on
the
issue
of
consolidated
interim
storage,
and
so,
as
she
mentioned,
we
have
an
experience
here
in
the
southeastern
part
of
new
mexico
with
the
whip
site
and
for
those
of
you
not
familiar
with
that
abbreviation.
G
G
But
whip
is
back
open
and
so,
as
was
mentioned,
the
eddie
lee
energy
alliance
is
an
organization
I'm
not
personally
involved
with
it,
but
leaders
from
the
cities
of
hobbs
and
carlsbad
and
the
counties
of
lee
and
eddie
and
they're
all
right
next
door
to
each
other
decided.
This
was
this
whole
tech
it
well.
G
There
will
probably
be
a
determination,
but
I'd
like
the
committee
members
to
know
that
or
the
working
group
members
to
know
that
the
nrc
did
deal
with
the
environmental
impact
statements
for
both
the
proposed
hotel
project
in
new
mexico
and
the
interim
storage
partners
facility
in
andrews
texas,
which
is
just
across
the
border,
the
state
border
and
said
that
there
would
be
no
minimal
impacts.
And
those
of
us
who
know
about
the
nrc
know
it's
a
very
hard-nosed
regulator,
very
detailed,
very
precise
analysis.
G
And
you
know
all
the
concerns
that
were
raised
about.
You
know
the
the
risk,
the
danger,
all
those
things.
The
nrc
regulators
decided
that
those
were
not
major
issues
and
that
there
were
there
were
good
answers
to
them,
and
then
I
believe
there
was
a
a
period
of
time
during
which
some
people
asked
for
some
additional
information,
and
that
is
part
of
the
reason
for
the
delay.
Whole
tech
went
ahead
and
answered
those
questions,
so
we're
waiting
for
the
nrc
to
make
a
determination.
G
But
I
think,
ultimately,
you
know
I'm
very
interested
in
what
texas
just
did
passing
this
legislation
to
ban
nuclear
storage
spent
fuel
storage.
I'd
like
to
call
it
used
fuel
storage.
Actually
I
don't
know
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
debate
on
that
legislation,
but
I'd
like
to
pose
this
question:
if
texas
can
do
it
and
it
looks
like
new
mexico,
some
legislators
are
going
to
attempt
that
either
in
the
upcoming
legislative
session
starts
in
january
or
the
one
the
year
after.
G
What?
If
all
50
states
pass
this
type
of
legislation
saying
no
spent
fuel
storage
in
our
state,
and
that
would
be
an
interesting
conundrum.
I
think
if
everybody
takes
that
that
same
approach,
the
ultimate
question
is:
does
the
nrc,
as
a
federal
agency,
have
a
type
of
preemption
over
these
proposed
facilities?
G
They
are
the
licensing
agency,
but
we
know
the
state
has
a
role
to
play
in
the
issuing
of
certain
permits.
So
I
just
think
that's
going
to
be
something
to
watch
and,
ultimately
I
think
congress
needs
to
get
its
act
together
and
pass
some
legislation
to
provide,
as
it
promised
it
would.
Permanent
storage
for
spent
fuel
yucca
mountain
is
a
no
go,
and
so
I
think
the
ball
is
in
congress's
court.
Our
representatives
there
need
to
do
their
work
and
and
provide
a
solution.
G
I
think
the
people
would
say
we're,
okay
with
it,
because
we
understand
it
now.
Not
just
in
terms
of
a
general
thing
about
nuclear
is
bad,
but
people
would
actually
get
into
the
details
of
the
projects
and
understand
the
engineering
and
the
science,
and
that's
where
I
think,
perhaps
the
mistakes
were
made
with
these
interim
storage
facility
proposals
is
that
time
was
not
taken
to
educate
well
enough,
and
so
with
that.
I
think
that
covers
what
I
what
I
wanted
to
say
initially.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
for
that.
I
I
also
want
to
emphasize
something
christine
said,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
both
for
your
diligent
work
on
behalf
of
your
constituents.
It
is
about
building
an
understanding
here.
Yes,
the
lack
of
a
repository
is,
does
loom
large
in
interim
storage.
The.
What
if
it
is
permanent
question
is
a
huge
question.
B
Is
the
department
of
energy
is
going
to
issue
some
sort
of
a
request
for
information,
an
opportunity
for
for
communities
and
stakeholders
and
and
the
various
interests
involved
to
weigh
in
on
the
consent
based
siding,
consolidated
interim
storage?
I
would
encourage
you
know
new
mexico
to
to
ask
those
kinds
of
questions
in
that
process,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
a
process
where
doe
says
we're
again
we're
talking
consent
based
here.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
process
where
doe
says:
well,
here's
what
we're
going
to
do
you
like
it?
B
No,
it's
going
gonna
be
a
process
where
doe
asks
you
what
they
should
do
now.
Can
the
can
a
government
agency
really
do
that
and
we'll
see
but
yeah,
please
I
I
would
encourage
you
to
continue
your
engagement
and
and
to
look
into
that
that
that
process
look
at
what
many
interests
in
your
state.
Many
constituencies
might
be
saying
in
response
to
that
process
and
and
we'll
see
what
other
states
say
because
yeah,
if,
if
all
50
say
no,
I
guess
that
just
leaves
the
district
of
columbia,
which
would
be
ironic.
D
I
Thank
you
chris,
and
thank
you
everybody.
My
name
is
jeff
steinborn
and
I'm
a
state
senator
in
new
mexico
and
happened
to
be
the
chair
of
the
bicameral
legislative,
radioactive,
hazardous
materials
committee
for
the
new
mexico
legislature,
which
is
a
joint
house
senate
committee
and,
second
time
being
the
chair.
We've
had
numerous
numerous
hearings
on
this
and
I
want
to
just
kind
of
add
to
what
folks
have
said
and
also
give
a
little
bit
more
more
background
on
the
state
of
new
mexico
number
one.
I
It
takes
a
human
dimension
to
why
consent
based
is
important,
and
it's
really
interesting
that
we're
having
this
conversation
on
indigenous
day
here
in
the
state
of
new
mexico,
we
renamed
columbus
indigenous
day,
and
we
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
intersectionality
of
social
justice
and
concern
for
native
rights.
Well,
new
mexico
has
borne
a
very
high
cost
of
uranium
mining
and
nuclear
endeavors.
I
I
So
it's
you
know
the
country
is
really
in
a
pickle.
We
do
need
to
figure
it
out,
and
now
it
was
mentioned.
Texas
is
testing
this
in
courts,
but
the
new
mexico
attorney
general
actually
has
already
filed
suit
against
the
federal
government,
saying
that
the
sighting
of
this
waste
without
state
consent
is
essential,
a
violation
of
states
rights.
So
it
does
definitely
raise
some
interesting
legal
questions
over
that
we've
all
pondered
today,
which
are
what
are
states
rights
or
can
a
state
be
run
roughshod
over
and
and
be
told
you're
you're
you're
it.
I
But
you
know
it's
a
tough
one,
because
nobody
wants
to
be
it
really
and
but
people
want
to
generate
generate
the
generate
the
way.
So
I
know
we'll
keep
having
the
conversation
and
we're
gonna
and
by
the
way,
the
the
you
know.
The
eis
that's
being
done
by
the
nuclear
regulatory
commission
right
now
is
not
looking
at
a
comprehensive
set
of
issues.
I
They're
not
looking
at
transportation,
for
example,
they're
not
looking
at
social
justice
issues,
they're
looking
at
a
finite
set
of
technical
issues
on
site
and
it
hasn't
been
determined
yet
for
new
mexico,
so
so
to
be
continued
there.
But
thank
you
all
so
much
for
hosting
this
conversation
today
and
look
forward
to
the
continued
conversation.
D
Yes,
it
says:
thank
you
senator
steinberg.
This
has
been
a
a
very
sort
of
interesting
and
lively
conversation
and
we've
we've
definitely
exceeded
our
time
today.
So
I
I
do
want
to
you
know.
I
know
we're
all
busy
and
want
to
kind
of
close
the
meeting,
but
hopefully
you
can
reach
out
to
dan
or
I
and
we
can
connect
you
with
people
at
nei.
D
If
you
do
have
follow-up
questions
or
you
know,
because
this
was
such,
you
know-
sort
of
a
lively,
lively
conversation,
maybe
it's
a
topic
for
future
nlwg
meetings
or
sessions
and
those
types
of
things
so
again.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
taking
time
out
of
your
day,
especially
if
it
is
indigenous
people's
day
in
your
jurisdiction
or
columbus
day,
and
you
have
it
off
and
thank
you
to
rod
and
christine
at
nei
for
for
being
here
to
to
speak
to
with
us
today.