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From YouTube: LEHI Webinar Distribution System Planning
Description
Dec 10, 2020
A
Welcome
to
the
second
deep
dive
lehigh
alumni
webinar,
I
should
say
good
day
vandals
great
to
have
you
back.
We
know
there's
a
lot
of
special
sessions
and
so
forth
going
on,
so
this
is
being
recorded
for
folks
to
come
in
and
watch
later.
It's
a
90
minute
session.
Each
speaker
will
have
about
10
minutes
to
share
some
thoughts
from
their
perspective
on
the
topic
today,
and
there
will
be
three
or
four
minutes
for
question
q.
A
if
you
have
a
question
during
the
presentation
on
a
powerpoint
deck
slide.
A
This
the
session
today
is
on
distribution
system
planning.
You
know
most
of
you,
depending
on
when
you
went
through
the
lehigh
program
were,
you
know,
had
probably
had
different
exposures
to
distribution
system
planning
der
planning
and
it's
it's
obviously
one
of
the
most
critical
things
happening
today
is
that
planning
and
procurement
process.
Looking
at
the
distribution
system,
we
have
three
excellent
speakers
for
you
today
to
give
you
three
different
perspectives
about
what
the
best
practices
are
from
their
from
their
deployment
of
planning.
A
You
know
as
more
and
more
resources
are
coming
to
bear
behind
the
meter.
You
know
how
those
are
going
to
integrate
with
utility
is
going
to
be
really
important
to
make
sure
that
there's
resource
adequacy,
resource
flexibility,
all
those
things
that
used
to
be
delivered
top
down,
have
to
be
looked
at
from
the
bottom
up
in
today's
rapid
build
out
of
edge
computing
and
the
internet
of
things.
I
just
was
in
a
discussion
yesterday
talking
about
some
of
the
fuse
boxes.
A
I
know
we
have
coming
to
market
they're
going
to
have
bluetooth
built
into
the
fuse
and
load
management
is
going
to
be
part
and
parcel
within
the
the
home
energy
management
system.
Using
the
fuse
box
in
that
way,
and
where
I'm
going
with
this
is,
is
that
you
know
one
of
the?
I
think
things
need
to
be
sorted
out
in
the
distribution
system
between
utilities
and
what's
going
on
behind
the
meter?
Is
you
know
what
areas
of
law
are
those
things
to
be
written
in?
A
A
The
the
takeaways
today
are
going
to
be
how
new
technologies
and
resources
on
the
distribution
grid,
such
as
solar
energy
storage,
are
changing
the
way
the
power
system
is
managed.
What
steps
can
legislators
take
to
help
create
a
regulatory
structure
that
promotes
innovative
and
cost-effective
solutions
and
how
do
state
policies
influence
the
development
of
distribution,
energy
resources?
A
I'm
going
to
go
right
into
our
first
speaker.
Today
we
have
damian
schiano,
who
is
the
director
of
distributive
resource
integration
at
con
edison?
He
oversees
the
company's
evolving
distribution
system
implementation
plan
called
a
dsip
distribution
service
platform,
which
is
dsp
and
designed
to
integrate,
distributed
distributive
energy
resources.
A
He
served
as
an
assistant
professor
at
columbia
university,
where
he
teaches
power
systems,
analysis,
he's
a
professional
engineer
in
the
state
of
new
york
and
holds
a
mba
from
finance
from
brook
college
and
a
doctorate
degree
from
new
york
polytechnic
school
of
engineering.
Let's
give
a
warm
lehigh
virtual
vandal
welcome
to
damian
scano
from
con
edison.
Thank
you.
Damian.
The
floor
is
yours.
B
B
Hopefully
you
can
see
my
slides
and
as
I'm
trying
to
advance
them
here
we
go
so
my
agenda
and
I'm
starting
the
clock
now
to
make
sure
I
stay
on
time.
I
I
I
felt,
like
you,
had
to
have
a
little
bit
of
the
landscape
in
the
new
york
city
and
westchester
layout.
I'll
talk
about
the
distributed
system
platform,
which
jeff
just
mentioned,
is
a
huge
enabler
to
this.
B
We'll
talk
about
grid
modernization
and
some
closing
thoughts,
and
I
would
say
you
know
the
three
things
I
hope
I
convey
and
that
you
walk
away
with.
Is
you
know
the
first
one?
Moore's
law
does
not
apply
to
everything
as
amazing
as
computers
and
technology
is.
It's
sometimes
is
limited
in
infrastructure,
and
things
like
that.
So
to
use
the
example
of
a
house,
you
know
you've
got
to
decide
whether
you're
renovating
it.
B
B
B
We
recognize
that
the
customer
is
the
only
reason
that
we
exist
and
and
facilitating
this
and
being
responsive
to
the
customers
and
giving
them
the
green
energy
future
that
they
want
and
deserve,
is
paramount
to
everything
that
we
do
so
I'll
dive.
Right
into
that,
I
tried
to
keep
the
kind
of
commercial
short
just
to
who
we
are
right.
So
if
you
look
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
you'll
see
new
york's,
mostly
new
york
state
and
the
blue
area,
which
is
what's
important
for
this.
B
B
There
is,
as
you
know,
most
of
you
probably
visited,
or
at
least
aware
of
it,
3.4
million
electric
customers,
and
we
have
a
summer
peak
of
about
13.2
gigawatts.
You
know:
okay,
that's
that's
where
we're
talking
about
and-
and
I
guess
the
other
key
point
here-
is
that
just
because
of
natural
boundaries-
the
atlantic
ocean,
here
on
the
south,
the
sound
here
on
the
east
and
then
the
hudson
river
on
the
west
new
york
city
is
a
classic
load
pocket.
B
You
know,
which
is
how
the
tnd
engineers
like
to
refer
to
it.
So
we
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
in-city
generation.
It's
actually
a
requirement.
We
learned
after
the
1977
blackout,
where
the
lightning
took
out
a
couple
of
the
overhead
lines
coming
into
new
york
city.
So
resiliency
has
been
a
passion
of
ours
for
a
while
and
having
that
in-city
generation
is
critical
so
as
we
retire
that
and
change
it
over
to
greener
energy
that
might
be
coming
from
other
places.
B
That's
where
energy
storage
just
something's,
got
to
replace
it
inside
that
load,
pocket
so
reason
number
one.
I
love
energy
storage.
The
rev
landscape
is
what
started
us
out
in
2015
that
was
focusing
on
greening
new
york
state.
It
had
some
pretty
significant
renewable
goals
and
it
was
intended
to
be
kind
of
market
driven.
You
know
open
up
the
marketplace,
stop
building
the
tnd
system
and
and
and
things
will
kind
of
take
care
of
themselves.
B
You
know,
and
there
was
even
some
early
questions,
whether
the
grid
would
even
survive
or
not,
or
it
would
go
kind
of
like
wireless
telecommunication
with
rooftop,
solar
and
batteries,
but
the
clcpa
kind
of
puts
the
pedal
to
the
metal.
You
know
I
would
say:
rev
had
us
driving
cross
country
to
california.
B
Clcpa
has
us
taking
a
jet
to
hawaii
so
they're,
both
in
the
same
direction
but
you're
going
to
get
they're
a
lot
faster,
clc,
pa
full
decarbonization.
It's
actually
a
law,
not
an
order,
and
it
does
focus
on
transmission
and
large
scale.
Renewables.
In
addition
to
the
der
marketplace,
which
is,
is
still
super
important,
so
kind
of
just
getting
here
and
trying
to
transition
to
the
distributed
energy
resource
and
the
stuff
on
the
right
side
of
this
f
graph,
which
I
know
is
what
we
want
to
talk
about.
B
You
know
here's
the
classic
central
plant
paradigm,
it's
called
you
know
you
generate
it
far
away,
you
transmit
it,
you
distribute
it
and
then
obviously
the
customer
uses
it
and
you
can
see
from
rev.
I've
tried
to
lay
it
out.
Most
of
the
emphasis
was
on
expanding
the
energy
efficiency,
which
connect
has
already
been
doing
for
decades,
enabling
the
der
marketplace
that's
kind
of
new
to
rev.
Building
that
distributed
system
platform,
that's
going
to
be
the
people
process
and
technologies
to
make
all
this
happen.
B
Data
sharing,
so
customers
can
make
better
informed
decisions,
and
so
can
vendors
utilizing
non-wire
solutions.
I
know
some
people
call
them
non-wires
alternatives
to
try
to
avoid
traditional,
builds
and
then
rev
did
have
some
focus
on
electric
vehicles
and
it
had
a
mention
of
large
scale
renewables,
but
that
was
track
three
out
of
three.
So
again
it
wasn't
that
they
didn't
recognize
it
I'm
just
it
was
a
little
bit
less
emphasized.
B
Clcpa
we've
got
rfps
already
in
place
for
offshore
wind.
We've
got
aggressive
goals
for
energy
storage.
It's
much
more
focused
on
that
side,
but
then,
even
on
the
distribution
side,
more
of
the
distributed
system
platform
and
expand
electrification
beyond
just
transportation,
I.e,
electric
vehicles
but
to
electrification
of
heating
and
again
in
the
moore's
law,
doesn't
apply
everywhere.
Very
early
in
revit
became
clear
that
the
grid
was
not
going
to
be
an
impediment
to
this,
but
was
going
to
be
the
most
important
enabler
to
it.
B
And
you
know
I
I
don't
love
the
term
smart
grid,
because
the
current
term,
the
current
grid
today,
is
fairly
smart.
It's
got
incredible
material
science,
reliability,
etc,
and
so
on.
But
it's
kind
of
a
set
it
and
forget
it.
You
know,
and
the
fossil
fuel
plants
as
bad
as
they
are
for
the
environment
are
dispatchable
assets
and
very
easy
to
kind
of
run.
B
The
intermittent
resources
are
much
more
dynamic
and
require
a
lot
of
things
happening
on
the
grid
and
you're
managing
instead
of
dozens
of
things,
you're
managing
thousands
and
hundreds
of
thousands,
so
the
grid
has
to
it's
got
to
be
modernized,
but
it
has
to
be
much
more
dynamic
that
that,
I
think,
is
the
key
point.
So
the
first
thing
we
did
for
rav
was
build
a
distributed
system
platform.
I
know
this
is
a
very
busy
slide,
but
I'll
go
through
a
quick.
B
You
know
we
look
at
it
as
integrating
renewables
and
storage
into
the
planning,
the
operations
and
and
to
a
large
extent
creating
a
market
we're
already
past
the
short-term
focus.
In
fact,
I
changed
the
the
titles
to
these.
You
know,
so.
We've
done
the
data
sharing
on
a
prim.
You
know
kind
of
primitive
basis.
Right
we
got.
Our
interconnection
is
much
better.
B
You
know
to
go
beyond
just
managing
to
demand
response
where
you're,
shutting
off
lights
and
equipment
to
where
you're,
actively
dispatching
and
curtailing
all
sorts
of
distributed,
energy
resources,
the
grid
operations,
the
monitoring
and
control
you
can
see
the
table
goes
a
little
bit
like
this
right.
That's
a
developing
a
little
bit
after
the
planning
because
we
needed
the
planning
as
a
foundation
and
then
we've
been
setting
up
the
marketplace
all
along
and
trying
to
create
value
streams
for
these
different
resources,
and
all
of
this
is
built
on
us
expanding
out
our
ami.
B
So
we
got
a
lot
more
data,
giving
the
customer
a
better
digital
experience,
maintaining
cyber
security
and
then
building
a
gis
system
and
a
customer
solution
system.
That's
going
to
be
kind
of
the
groundwork
for
a
durham
system
and
electric
vehicles
recently
in
an
order,
just
kind
of
became
like
a
foundational
infrastructure.
For
us,
we've
got
what
should
amount
to
between
300
million
to
400
million
dollars
to
help
enable
the
charging
infrastructure
in
new
york,
city
and
westchester
for
electric
vehicles
all
right
watching
the
time.
B
Okay,
so
non-wire
solutions,
we
target
them
at
the
area
substation
we
it
requires
us
to
have
all
sorts
of
a
portfolio
approach,
and
so
I
was
just
kind
of
highlighting
that,
but
I
think
I'm
gonna
gloss
over
that
quickly.
We
can
answer
questions
on
that
and
grid
mod.
You
know
we
went
from
that
top
category,
where
we
used
to
focus
on
reliability,
safety
and
clean
energy,
and
we
did.
We
were
decarbonizing
from
you,
know
coal
to
oil,
to
gas
and
then
to
nuclear.
But
now
it's
about
reliability
and
resiliency.
B
As
we
see
because
of
the
climate
change
it's
about
safety
and
security,
you
know
still
having
some
kind
of
micro
grid
power
or
something
like
that,
or
at
least
some
places
that
people
can
go
to
when
you
do
have
these
fairly
rare
outages
and
then
flexibility
to
take
customer
clean
energy
as
well
as
the
grid.
We've
modernized,
our
network
protector
relays
to
take
two-way
power
flow,
we're
putting
smart
sensors
across
our
system
to
understand
and
keep
a
pulse
on
on
that
system
and-
and
we've
already
got
one
energy
storage
in
place.
B
B
We
do
have
a
lot
more
redundancy
than
you
would
typically
have,
and
that's
kind
of
reflected
here
and
we've
actually
had
the
luxury,
because
our
service
territory
is
so
compact
that
we
have
scada
on
every
one
of
our
network
transformers,
so
we
already
had
pretty
close
to
grid
edge.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
show
you
here
with
this.
You
know
we
understood
right
up
to
the
network
transformer,
not
all
the
way
to
the
customer,
but
for
the
last
30
years
what
was
happening
dynamically
on
our
system?
B
We've
got
very
sophisticated
load
flow
models
and
that
made
sure
that
the
electricity
was
there
for
the
customer
we're
one
of
the
most
reliable.
If
not
the
most
reliable
companies
in
the
in
the
world,
we
only
interacted
with
them
once
a
month
for
the
bill,
because
we
felt
that
that
was
all
they
really
wanted
to
interact
with
us
and,
of
course,
when
there
were
outages,
we
wanted
to
get
there
and
fix
that,
and
in
that
world
asset
management
was
key.
B
There
was
a
little
bit
of
scada
and
again
we
were
on
the
forefront
of
that
and
a
little
bit
of
analytics
and
the
customer
again
was
was,
unfortunately,
almost
an
afterthought
now,
with
rolling
out
our
ami
we're
going
to
have
a
wireless
network
all
the
way
to
the
customer.
So
as
many
as
30
000
points
was
a
lot,
but
now
we're
going
to
have
3.3
million
dynamic,
almost
real-time
points
and
a
wireless
network
over
that.
B
We're
going
to
use
that
to
add
those
sensors
that
I
showed
you
something
infrared
pressure
and
temperature,
etcetera
and
so
on
and
facilitate
again
our
customers.
The
whole
reason
we
exist,
whatever
whatever
it
is,
that
they
want
to
do.
And,
however
it
is
that
they
want
to
communicate
with
us,
so
a
customer,
engagement
and
transaction
and
in
this
world
you
know,
there's
certainly
still
asset
management,
but
there's
much
more
scada
and
analytics,
and
the
customer
is
king
in
this
world.
B
So,
whereas
under
rev
we
were
anticipating,
building
less
under
cl
cpa,
we're
doing
all
the
things
we're
doing
in
rav
we're
still
doing
non-wire
solutions
and
we
still
anticipate
we're
going
to
be
building
a
lot
of
traditional
infrastructure
of
the
future
to
to
meet
our
customers
goals.
So
dsp
is
critical
to
customer
choice
and
resiliency,
regardless
of
how
the
power
gets.
B
Electrification
is
going
to
be
a
game
changer
and
it's
probably
even
going
to
drive
us
from
a
summer
peaking
system
where
people
are
using
air
conditioning
to
a
winter
peaking
one
where
the
heating
needs
actually
extend.
The
heating
needs
and
the
electric
vehicles
actually
exceed
that
summer
load
and
grid
modernization.
We
think,
is
the
glue
that's
going
to
hold
that
together.
So
with
that
I'll
wrap
it
up
and
turn
it
over
turn
it
back
to
you,
jeff.
A
A
Problem
we'll
do
it
we'll
do
so.
If
you
have
a
question,
if
you
could
hit
your
raised
hand
and
I'll
call
on
you,
if
you
can
unmute
yourself,
that
would
be
great,
I'm
looking
through
for
hands
at
this
point,
I
don't
see
any
hands
up.
Damn
I'm
going
to
ask
you
a
couple
until
I
see
some
hands
pop
up
here,
what
type
of
price
signaling
are
you
doing
within
that
network?
You
have
today
because
you
know,
I
think,
what
I've
seen
some
of
this
I
mean
what's
neat
about.
A
What
you
have
is
that
a
lot
of
utilities
haven't
invested
enough
to
actually
see
that
power
flow
information
within
those
circuits
from
substations
to
meters,
and
you
even
have
it
from
transformers
to
meters
which
is
really
impressive,
but
what
type
of
price
signaling
are
you
using
and
is
that
is
who's?
You
know
who's
running
an
essence
that
retail
market.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
there's
a
couple
stages
to
it
right,
so
the
ami
is
almost
completely
rolled
out.
It'll
be
rolled
out
in
the
I
think,
the
first
quarter
of
2022,
so
what
the
customers
are
getting
as
they
get
the
ami
data
is
they're
getting
time
to
use
pricing
and
where
they
might
be
able
to
save
rates,
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
going
to
be
one
price
signal.
That's
sent
across
the
board
to
everybody
and
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
tariff
administered
second
place.
B
B
A
B
I
mean
right
now
the
map
kind
of
just
tells
them
hey.
It's
going
to
be
less
costly
to
inter
connect
here,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
hosting
capacity,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
here,
but
we've
been
spending
well,
we've
started.
This
was
the
first
year
where
we're
going
to
spend
about
14
million
dollars
a
year,
increasing
the
hosting
capacity
where
we
anticipate
people
are
going
to
want
to
put
their
solar
and
are
going
to
need
to
send
back
with
flow
on
our
system.
A
Fantastic,
we
had
a
question
in
the
chat
box
and
again,
if
folks,
if
you
want
to
raise
your
hand,
to
get
called
on,
go
down
to
participants,
click
it
there's
a
blue,
raise
your
hand,
stick
a
sticker,
you
can
click
on
and
we'll
know
that
you
have
a
question.
If
you
want
to
ask
it
personally
or
you
can
stick
it
in
chat
the
the
question
in
chat
before
we
go
on
to
the
next
speaker.
A
Is
you
know
what
what's
the
process
I
know
in
new
york?
This
has
been
driven
by
your
commission,
but
in
most
states
it'd
be
difficult
to
have
a
commission
buy
into
these
types
of
investments
on
their
own.
So
there's
a
question
in
the
chat
about
you
know:
how
difficult
has
it
been
to
you
know,
get
these
investments
for
continent.
I
guess
basically
into
the
rate
base
and
and
approved.
B
Yeah,
I
I
mean
by
nature:
you
want
the
process
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
dynamic
tension
right,
but
so,
within
that
framework
I
would
say
it's
been
much
easier
when
we've
had
compelling
projects,
so
we
literally
call
out
the
distributed
system
platform
in
our
white
papers,
and
the
commission
gave
us
something
on
the
order
of.
I
want
to
get
you
the
right
number,
107
million
dollars
over
the
three
year
rate
period
to
support
what
I
was
mentioning
increasing
hosting
capacity.
B
I
didn't
talk
about
voltage,
var,
optimization,
but
facilitating
voltage
of
our
optimization
and
doing
some
of
these
other
things.
They
also
supported
us
on
our
energy
storage
investments
which
are
in
the
22
mil
actually
over
30
million
dollar
range,
so
you
got
to
go
in
there
and
you
got
to
justify
it
new
york
state's
given
us
a
tool
called
the
benefit,
cost
analysis
where
you
can
actually
price
carbon
into
it.
B
A
I
don't
see
anymore
hands
up
so
damian.
Thank
you
for
sharing
your
expertise
and
and
really
what's
been,
one
of
the
leading.
You
know,
I
think
you
know
efforts
to
understand
how
new
technologies
are
going
to
be
integrated
into
the
grid
of
the
future,
and
you
know
we
really
thank
you
for
sharing
your
experience
with
this
group
here
today,
and
we've
had
actually
four
or
five
of
the
assembly
energy
chairs.
A
A
Great
hey:
next
up,
we
have
jessica,
lau
who's,
the
senior
technical
project
manager
for
grid
systems
at
the
national,
renewable
energy
lab
in
golden
colorado,
and
I'm
going
to
introduce
jessica
for
a
second
jessica
joined
her
faculty
for
the
first
time.
I
think
it
was
2019
and-
and
she
probably
didn't
realize
it,
but
I
think
she
was
the
consensus,
the
best
new
faculty
member.
A
There
you
are,
I
see
you
now
good
to
see
you
hey
so
jessica
is
the.
As
I
said,
the
senior
technical
manager.
She
has
been
a
power
system
planner
for
over
13
years,
her
expertise
and
project
span,
reliability
and
resiliency
planning,
wholesale
electricity
markets,
transmission
and
distribution
grid,
modernization
and
next
generation
modeling
tool
development.
A
A
C
Great
thanks,
jeff
hi
everyone
good
morning
good
afternoon,
I'm
glad
to
be
here
today
and
happy
to
talk
about
the
grid.
As
jeff
said,
I've
spent
my
career
in
power
system
planning
both
at
the
transmission
and
the
distribution
side,
so
the
wholesale
and
the
retail
side-
and
I
think
it's
a
really
exciting
area
to
be
I'm
an
engineer.
So
that
also
explains
a
lot.
I
suppose
you
know
today
coming
coming
to
you
from
the
national
renewable
energy
laboratory.
C
First,
renewable
power,
including
solar,
wind,
water,
geothermal
energy
technologies;
second,
sustainable
transportation,
which
includes
bioenergy
vehicles,
hydrogen
technologies,
a
third
energy
efficiency,
including
buildings,
technologies,
advanced
manufacturing,
research
and
energy
management
programs,
the
fourth
one
energy
systems,
integration,
where
we
apply
hardware
in
the
loop
simulations
and
emulations
with
high
performance
computing
and
using
data
and
visualizations,
we
can
assess
grid
modernization,
strategies
and
ways
to
minimize
disruptions
to
grid
services
from
natural
disasters
or
human
attacks,
so
really
exciting.
To
be
a
part
of
nrel
coming
from,
you
know,
utility
and
iso
background
next
slide
here.
C
So
all
right,
so
let's
talk
about
power
system
planning.
Now,
typically,
I
would
start
with
five
questions
about
power
system
planning.
We
first
look
at
the
system
we
think
about.
Does
the
system
meet
reliability
in
other
criteria
you
know
and
and
if
it
does
or
if
it
doesn't,
you
know,
does
that
mean
we
have
to
build
something?
So
first,
we
think
about
you
know
what
technologies
do
we
build?
Where
do
we
build
it?
When
do
we
need
it
and
build
it,
and
what
will
it
cost?
C
Because
truly
I
think
the
technology
has
has
created
this
evolution
of.
Why
we're
talking
about
distribution
planning
today
and
why
we
think
it
will
be
different
in
the
future
all
right.
So,
let's
kick
off
into
I'm
going
to
frame
this
again
as
five
questions
you
should
think
about
as
you're
considering
distribution
planning
and
in
your
work
how
to
think
about
this
holistically.
So
I'm
going
to
give
some
examples.
C
C
C
Some
people
would
consider
that
as
a
der
and
some
people
wouldn't
because
it's
a
passive
device-
maybe
maybe
the
customer
is
using
it
to
you-
know,
turn
on
and
off
their
ac,
depending
on
when
they're
home
right
so
from
a
utility
perspective
using
as
an
example,
they
might
say.
Well,
I
don't
have
any
control
over
that,
so
it's
not
technically
a
utility
der,
because
I
can't
control
it.
C
So
you
know,
one
of
the
questions
with
der
sometimes
is:
is
that
fundamentally
the
technology
itself
that
qualifies
as
a
der
or
is
it
the
function
or
the
grid
service?
It's
providing?
That
makes
it
qualify
as
a
der.
So
this
is
key
when
we
talk
about
these
different
programs.
Is
there?
Is
this
line
drawn
between
it?
C
C
C
Transmissions
so,
but
more,
what
we're
seeing
is
that
electric
customers
have
questions
and
needs
or
asks
related
to
their
electricity
like
the
one
you're
seeing
on
the
slide
here,
and
maybe
you've
heard
some
of
these
as
well
or
maybe
you've
some
of
these
as
well.
But,
ultimately,
you
know
in
the
conversation
of
distribution
planning
and
ddrs,
we
would
come
to
you
know
the.
Are
we
looking
at
the
technology
or
the
function
that
it's
performing
and
the
and
what
is
the
objective
we're
trying
to
achieve
together?
C
So
some
examples
of
proving
out
these
objectives
might
be
pilot
programs.
Typically,
you
know
in
in
the
the
lifespan
of
the
technology.
You
start
with
a
pilot
program
that
proves
the
functionality
of
it.
So,
whether
it's
pv
batteries
or
thermostat,
you
first
do
a
pilot
program
that
says:
does
it
work
the
way
we
think
it
does
so
it's
purely
on
functionality?
C
The
question
is,
you
know:
how
do
we
slowly?
Slowly,
maybe
not
be
the
right
word,
but
you
know,
I
think,
thoughtfully
evolve
from
new
technology.
All
the
way
to
policy
implementation,
and
certainly
pilot
programs
are
a
key
part
of
that.
So
in
thinking
of
how
to
evolve.
That
step
by
step
is
the
key
part
of
it
in
in
driving
back
to
what
is
the
objective
you're
trying
to
achieve
in
your
region,
and
how
do
you
create
these
incentive
mechanisms
to
drive
through
that
all
right?
C
Third
question:
this
is
a
this
is
a
prompt
of
a
question
I
suppose
is
I'd
like
you
to
think
about.
If
you
know
anybody
that
has
bought
an
electric
car
and
maybe
think
about,
if
you
talk
to
them,
if
they
told
you
like
the
reason
why
they
bought
an
electric
car,
I
I
know
a
couple:
people
that
have
bought
evs
and
you
know.
Usually
we
talk
about
like
hey
what
make
and
model
did
you
buy?
Why
did
you
buy
it?
How
do
you
look?
How
do
you
like
it?
C
Is
it
really
different
from
driving
a
gas
vehicle?
And
typically
they
say?
Oh
you
know
it's.
I
bought
it
because
it
cost
me
a
little
less
than
gas
or
hey.
I
bought
it
because
it
was
cool,
but
you
know
what
I've
never
heard.
Someone
say
as
I
bought
it,
so
it
could
become
a
utility
asset
to
be
used
for
grid
services
and-
and
so
that's
the.
C
A
commercial
industrial
operation
might
have
you
know,
production
of
their
goods
and
services
right
and
those
primary
purposes
drive
their
adoption
decision
of
why
they
got
a
dr
now
on
the
flip
side,
when
we
talk
about
distribution,
planning
or
grid
planning,
the
grid
operator
or
the
planner
would
like
to
use
all
the
cost
effective.
You
know
resources
like
ders,
if
they're
already
on
the
system
say
well
hey.
Why
wouldn't
I
use
that
to
meet
the
grid's
needs?
C
But
here
is
the
conundrum
right
utility
customers
would
like
to
use
dr's
to
meet
their
needs
first,
and
only
if
there's
leftover
they'll
contribute
to
the
grid.
So
if
we
use
the
thermostat
example
again,
if
I
have
a
thermostat
exam,
thermo,
smart
thermostat
at
home,
sure
I'll-
let
the
utility
control
it,
but
only
if
my
house
stays
cool
in
the
summer
or
you
know
it's
heated
warm
in
the
winter
and
then,
if
there's
anything
extra,
then
the
utility
can
use
it.
C
So
you
know
some
people
talk
about
economic
incentives
too
right,
like
can
you
pair
economic
incentives
to
change
people's
behaviors?
Well,
I
think
there
certainly
is
a
part
or
a
place
where
economic
incentives
does
play
in
it,
but
I
think
we
can
all
agree
to
some
some
degree.
If
you
think
of
yourself
in
that
thermostat
example
there's
some
line
you
would
draw
like.
Oh
that's
just
too
hot,
I'm
not
going.
C
I
have
to
have
the
fans
on
or
I
have
to
have
the
ac
on,
or
you
know
the
winter.
Certainly
heat
is
necessary
for
the
cold,
so
there
there
is
certain
line.
So
an
example
like
there
was
a
study
done
for
california.
The
2025
california
demand
response
potential
study.
They
did
some
analysis
of
historical
demand,
response
programs
and
cust
across
all
customer
types
and
what
they
decided
was
that
they
would
not
foresee-
or
this
way
they
think
the
maximum
achievable
participation
rate
is
less
than
40
across
all
customer
types.
C
So
you
know
clearly
incentives
help
right,
because
people
providing
a
service
often
do
require
payment,
but
the
other
part
is.
There
are
fundamental
behaviors
about
us
humans
that
we're
not
gonna
change,
even
if
there's
a
lot
of
economic
incentive,
okay
so,
but
we
should
keep
talking
about
payment
because
none
of
the
technologies
would
be
inexistent
if
if
it
wasn't
paid,
so
it's
a
two-part
question
first,
is
you
know
how
does
the
technology
itself?
C
C
That
could
be
a
way
that
it's
added
on
example.
Number
two
is
a
privately
owned.
Asset
is
partially
paid
by
end
users,
but
also
par
partially
paid
by
utility
incentives
or
rebates.
So
it's
kind
of
a
mixture,
and
sometimes
a
good
example,
might
be.
If
you
think
about
adding
rooftop
solar
onto
your
house,
like
you
can
kind
of
go
through
the
first
one
is
like
utility,
completely
owns
it
if
they
put
on
your
roof.
C
Second,
one
is
hey,
I
kind
of
paid
for
most
of
it,
but
I
get
some
incentive
payments
back
from
the
utilities
or
rebates.
The
third
one
is
just
privately
owned,
a
privately
owned,
so
whether
by
the
customer
themselves
or
maybe
by
the
utility.
So
if
it
was
me,
I
bought
a
you
know,
solar
panel,
I
own
the
whole
thing
if
I
put
it
into
the
market,
if
there's
a
pathway
for
that,
you
know,
I
get
all
the
incentives
back.
C
So
you
know
these
are
three
different
examples
about
how
deer
resources
are
paid
for,
at
least
that's.
You
know
where
we
are
at
this
point,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
market
mechanisms
that
could
be
structured
to
send
the
right
economic
signals.
However,
beyond
the
market
mechanism
itself,
I'd
like
us
to
think
about
the
business
models
that
support
it
and
that
are
needed.
So
I
think
what
you
know.
If
I
give
an
example
about
a
a
building
owner
and
they,
you
know,
they're
trying
to
decrease
their
energy
use
right.
C
So
if
they
want
a
dr
technology,
whether
solar
panels,
batteries,
you
know
you
name
it,
they
could
have
it
they're
going
to
need
additional
communications
and
control
technology
on
their
building,
they're
going
to
need
an
aggregator
utility
and,
let's
see
so
the
building
owner
the
der
technology.
You
need
communications
and
controls.
C
There's
an
aggregator
you
work
with,
and
a
utility
you
work
with,
and
possibly
the
last
two
are
the
same,
but
essentially
why
I'm
naming
those
off
is
I
just
named
four
to
five
different
business
models
that
all
have
to
be
aligned
for
this
whole
thing
to
work.
So
it's
not
just
the
economic
incentive
mechanism
itself,
the
structure
itself,
but
it's
also
are
there
business
models
out
there?
C
You
know
and
frameworks
that
people
are
operating
to
connect
this
whole
thing
together,
where,
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
the
consumer
gets
the
meets
the
objective
that
they
need
of
why
they
bought
the
der
all
the
way
back
to
the
grid
planning
of
hey.
Can
we
provide
the
grid
services
to
the
grid?
So
I
think
this
is
really
interesting,
because
sometimes
we
just
say
hey
the
money.
C
Okay,
all
right
and
last
question
right,
really
key
one
right,
because
policy
and
regulations
certainly
are
key
to
appropriately
valuing
ddrs
and
I'd
like
to
give
three
three
examples
here
about
how
how
they're
being
done
now
now,
certainly
deer
technology
development
has
been
moving
rapidly.
Sometimes
it's
policy
driven
and
sometimes
policy
and
regulation
have
been
a
champion
for
ders.
But
again
you
know
I'm
bringing
up
these
ideas
of
like
hey.
Are
people's
business
models
evolving
fast
enough
to
meet
this?
C
C
So
policymakers
can
establish
policies
and
programs
to
provide
additional
funding
for
ders,
for
example
in
california,
the
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
project
provided
incentives
to
publicly
accessible
electric
vehicle
transportation
infrastructure
and
the
revenue
streams
for
policy
initiatives
like
this
can
be
sometimes
hard
to
find
right,
and
in
this
case,
for
california,
they
used
about
1.2
billion
in
revenue
from
the
state's
carbon
cap
and
trade
program
to
fund
this
low-carbon
transportation
investments.
So
that's
the
cal
event
over
the
that
was
over
the
past
five
years,
so
not
not
just
one
year.
C
C
So,
for
example,
like
what
damian
talked
about
in
new
york,
they
have
the
compensation
framework
which
is
commonly
referred
to
the
value
stack
or
the
you
know
the
value
of
distributed
energy
resources.
In
that
framework
it
goes
beyond
net
metering.
So
it's
not
just
about
like
what
energy
do
you
provide
the
things
about
energy
capacity,
environmental
demand
reduction
and,
if,
like
the
location,
has
a
specific
value,
if
it's
more
beneficial
to
be
in
that
place,
it
also
has
like
an
adder.
C
There
is
a
hot
water
heater
control
company
that
we
had
talked
to
and
it
took
them
about
a
year
working
with
an
iso
pjm
in
order
to
enter
the
market,
just
you
know,
making
sure
that
they
hit
all
the
requirements
that
the
market
sets
on.
You
know
whether
it's
financial
obligations,
the
the
metering
technology
and
you
know
the
way
that
it
would
provide
information
to
the
iso
as
well
so
anyway.
So
these
are,
you
know
three
different
examples.
C
I
think
you
know
where
policy
and
regulation
play
a
key
role
in
how
dr's
are
valued
and
how
they
can
participate,
and
again,
all
of
these
kind
of
come
back
to
you
know
the
five
different
questions
that
we
talked
about
today,
so
you
know
in
closing
here
you
know
I
want
to
bring
up.
You
know.
The
future
of
distribution
planning
is
an
understanding
the
needs
and
wants
of
the
electric
consumers.
C
A
A
Con
ed
has
the
the
values
and
the
outcomes
being
either
providing
capacity,
taking
capacity
or
doing
ancillary
services
on
these
circuits,
and-
and
I
I'm
just
wondering
what
you've
seen
you
know.
If
you
look
at
those
regulatory
proceedings
and
and
are
there,
are
there
white
papers
documents
you've
all
put
out
about,
you
know
the
best
approach
to
to
looking
at
ders,
either
collectively
or
individually,
and
what
you
know
what's
the
best
pathway
to
take.
C
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
that's
kind
of
the.
I
guess
the
magic
that
everyone
asks
for
is
hey.
Is
there
like
a
an
ideal
integration
roadmap?
Has
there
been
a
success
story?
We
can
kind
of
copy
and
paste.
I
think
that's
the
most
difficult
thing
about
power
system
planning
is
that
every
you
know
jurisdiction,
region,
town
city,
everything
is
so
dependent
on
the
local
territory.
You
know
whether
you
have
rural,
suburban
or
urban
customers.
What
kind
of
industrial
commercial
processes
you
have?
C
You
know
that
the
weight,
maybe
between
your
residential
and
your
ina
customers
or
your
cni
customers?
I
meant
you
know
all
of
those
come
back
to
different
structures,
and
I
think
that's
truly
why
there
is
no,
I
think,
nobody's
really
coming
be
like
this
is
the
answer
of
how
we
can
deploy.
You
know
ders
and
have
distribution
planning.
You
know
done
done
100,
it
never
has
to
change
again.
Is
this
truly?
It's
all
very
case
dependent.
C
C
Was
truly
evolution
right,
so
the
solution
and
try
to
meet
your
objective
figure
out
what
you're,
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
first
and
then
allow
for
the
market
to
answer
with
the
solutions.
I
think
you
know
that
has
clearly
been
shown
in
many
different
cases
to
be
a
a
key
piece
of
success.
There.
A
A
A
I
think
you
know
vista
and
maybe
cps,
which
is
a
publicly
owned
utility
in
san
antonio,
where
they,
I
know
they've
been
looking
at
their
motto
has
been:
is
that
if
we
don't
treat
each
customer,
if
we're
not
each
customer's
energy
consultant
we're
going
to
lose
them
as
a
customer
going
forward?
And
that's
again,
some
of
the
best
folks
are
adapting
to
this
change
or
looking
through
a
different
microscope
at
what's
ahead
of
them.
A
John
has
been
the
head
of
this
effort
for
a
vistas
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
he's
been
a
frequent
speaker
at
the
specific
northwest
economic
region,
summits
and
energy
task
force
groups
at
a
vista.
He
leads
the
distribution
services
team
and
is
currently
developing
abyssa's,
first
integrated
integrated
and
testing
facility
to
certify
inverters,
the
internet
of
technologies
over
open
adr,
communication,
which
is
kind
of
cool
too.
A
His
experience
in
electric
utility
industry
consists
of
hydroelectric
safety,
gis
facility
management,
which
is
location
management
for
folks
that
don't
know
what
gis
is.
Distribution
planning
operations
he's
a
registered
professional
engineer
in
the
state
of
washington
and
has
worked
in
the
industry
for
over
25
years.
He's
a
proud,
gonzaga
alumni
and
in
in
disappears
during
the
march
madness
frequently
and
has
a
master's
in
engineering
from
washington
state
university
just
down
the
road
from
spokane
john
thanks
for
sharing
your
expertise
and
knowledge
with
us.
The
floor
is
yours.
D
Well,
thank
you
very
much
jeff.
I
appreciate
that
introduction.
You
know
both
damien
and
jessica
really
did
an
excellent
job,
setting
the
stage
on
some
of
the
challenges
around
both
the
definition
and
the
deployment
of
distributed
energy
resources,
and
I
know
at
a
vista
we've
been
experimenting
in
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
better
serve
our
customers
with
their
desire
to
have
a
more
clean
and
renewable
environment.
D
D
D
D
So
all
of
those
essentially
define
some
type
of
operational
constraint
that
we
have
to
adhere
to
to
be
successful
in
the
deployment
of
products
and
services
to
our
customers.
So,
as
mentioned
earlier,
you
know.
The
challenge
that
we
have
to
a
large
extent
is
that
the
regulatory
model
was
built
on
a
concept
of
centralized
generational
assets,
often
located
hundreds
of
miles
away
from
the
load
center,
and
it
orders
a
magnitude
somewhere
around
three
to
five
hundred
megawatts
or
greater,
and
the
way
that
cost
model
has
been
handled
to
a
large
extent
is
it's
been
socialized.
D
You
essentially
determine
the
cost
of
the
production
and
the
infrastructure
to
deliver
it,
and
you
socialize
that
cost
across
multiple
customers
and
that
model
is,
is
beneficial
to
someone
who
might
live
in
grangeville.
Idaho,
that's
300,
miles
away
from
a
generational
resource
is
the
same
cost
for
that
retail
energy,
as
it
would
be
to
someone
that's
located
right
adjacent
to
that
generational
resource,
so
that
socialized
cost
has
been
a
very
successful
model
making
energy
affordable,
regardless
of
where
you
live
now.
D
What's
unique
about
distributed,
energy
resources
is
typically
they're
smaller
in
scale
they
can
be
anywhere
from
100
kw
to
about
2
megawatts,
and
once
you
reduce
the
scale
of
those
resources
to
be
able
to
make
them
economically
viable.
You
have
to
do
many
of
the
things
that
jessica
talked
about.
You
have
to
look
at
stacking
value
streams
on
those
distributed
energy
resources
and
in
order
to
ensure
that
you
get
an
outcome,
but
the
challenge
to
the
utility
is
is
often
distributed.
D
Energy
resources,
especially
in
the
context
of
planning,
are
deployed
to
solve
a
localized
problem,
a
specific
constraint
on
the
system.
The
question
is:
how
would
you
develop
a
regulatory
framework
that
would
address
a
localized
problem
but
have
a
socialized
outcome
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
within
the
experiment
that
we're
doing
in
the
morris
center?
How
we're
looking
at
trying
to
resolve
that
particular
business
model
problem.
D
So,
as
I
mentioned
scale
really
matters
in
these
problem
domains.
Previously
I
mentioned
that
these
large
generational
facilities
are
located
like
in,
for
example,
on
the
clark
fork
river
system
in
the
pacific,
northwest
and
they're
three
to
five
hundred
megawatts,
but
our
load
center
might
be
in
downtown
spokane.
D
D
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
benefit
of
that
large
economies
of
scale
is
that
you
can
socialize
those
costs
and
we
have
a
production,
transmission
and
distribution
cost
that
goes
into
our
cost
of
service.
That
essentially
supports
our
rate
case,
and
then
it
is
allocated
that
cost
is
allocated
across
various
rate
schedules,
whether
you're,
residential
or
a
large
customer
depends
on
determines
essentially
what
proportion
of
that
overall
system
cost,
and
that
is
a
significant
political
process.
D
As
I
had
mentioned
in
the
previous
diagram,
I
showed
the
region
that
we
would
have
these
large
production
resources
located
out
in
the
region
and
we'd
leverage,
the
transmission
and
distribution
resources
or
assets
or
infrastructure,
to
deliver
that
energy.
Now,
what
we're
talking
about
is
something
much
more
intimate
or
personal
within
the
specific
neighborhoods.
D
So
what
you're
looking
at
on
this
particular
slide
is
in
the
red
circle
is
a
substation.
It's
a
third
and
hatch
substation.
It's
a
part.
It's
located
in
spokane
washington
and
this
station
currently
has
nine
distribution
feeders
it's
near
capacity
and
the
colored
lines
that
essentially
reach
out
into
the
various
neighborhoods
zones
that
you
see
there
are
the
feeders
and
those
feeders
serve
the
load
in
that
particular
community
to
address
the
constraints
associated
with
that
substation
you're.
Now
talking
about
addressing
the
idea
of
deploying
distributed
energy
resources
into
people's
neighborhoods.
D
Consequently,
you
have
a
different
level
of
planning
required
to
support
that
it's
a
different
level
of
engagement.
It
drives
a
different
type
of
relationship.
The
utility
needs
to
have
with
its
customers
to
procure
those
resources
and
provide
the
branding
that
those
neighborhoods
want
and
the
participation
those
neighborhoods
want
in
order
to
address
those
issues.
D
D
The
catalyst
building
is
a
building,
that's
being
deployed,
that
is,
that
is
considered
net
zero
carbon
free.
It's
a
commercial
space,
150
000
square
foot
of
commercial
space
that
has
a
particular
brand.
They
can
attract
the
type
of
tenant,
typically
high
technology
companies
to
be
able
to
occupy
that
building.
D
D
And
what
is
unique
about
that
at
some
level
that
energy
plant
has
an
owner
that
has
invested
in
that
hvac
equipment
to
be
operated
and
then
provide
the
condition
environment
to
the
catalyst
and
other
buildings
in
the
eco
district.
But
in
addition,
a
vista
utilities
has
invested
in
equipment
as
well
predominantly
around
electric
storage
and
a
control
framework
that
allows
us
to
operate
that
energy
plant
for
benefits
associated
with
the
grid.
D
D
D
Well,
one
idea
might
be
that
the
utility
could
own
all
of
the
equipment
in
the
energy
plant
and
could
operate
that
equipment
in
a
way
that
would
be
beneficial
to
the
tenants
but
provide
an
operational
capability.
That's
never
existed
before
today.
If
you
talk
to
power
supply
the
two
complaints
they
make
about
distributed
energy
resources
and
demand
response,
programs
is
essentially
one
they're,
not
material.
D
D
You
might
think
of
this
as
an
aggregator,
a
third-party
investment
in
these
assets,
and
then
they
would
operate
it.
The
challenge
is
in
these
types
of
developments:
there's
significant
competition
for
capital
and
investors
in
these
types
of
facilities
are
looking
for
large
rates
of
return
in
very
short
order.
D
D
It
has
many
of
the
components
of
the
substation
and
can
be
controlled
by
the
utility
and
it
becomes
a
resiliency
station.
So
those
are
the
analogs
that
we're
looking
at
to
think
of
new
infrastructure.
That's
better
serves
the
needs
of
the
customers
and
drives
us
to
a
framework
where
the
power
supply
group
does
not
just
simply
schedule
generational
resources,
but
schedules
load
resources
to
meet
that
balancing
obligation.
D
So,
as
you
start
to
think
about
this
neighborhood
the
moment
you
step
into
someone's
neighborhood,
they
have
unique
challenges
and
opportunities
that
they're
facing,
and
you
can't
go
in
and
deploy
programs
around
power
production.
Without
addressing
that,
you
will
find
that
you'll
have
to
customize
those
programs
to
meet
those
specific
neighborhood
needs
in
order
to
get
that
stacked
value
stream
and
to
ensure
that
you're
serving
the
needs
of
your
customers.
D
So
that
is
in
summary,
that
is
what
avista
is
doing.
They
are
looking
at
a
variety
of
regulatory
frameworks
and
business
models
and
different
ways
to
think
about
energy
to
better
serve
the
customers,
some
of
it
consisting
of
branding
products
as
we
put
that
out
there
and
as
we
explore
that
business
model.
We
can
then
understand
that,
as
we
look
as
a
non-wire
alternative
distributed,
energy
resource
is
inherently
a
different
solution
than
just
simply
a
large
centralized
power
production
facility.
A
Great
john
great
overview
and
there's
a
couple
websites
that
people
can
go
to
to
look
at
some
of
the
innovation
happening
there
in
spokane.
I
know
of
the
urban
noga
one:
are
there
other
ones
that
folks
should
be
aware
of?
You
could
share
if
they
want
to
google
it
or
maybe
we
can
send
the
links
out
afterwards.
A
Fantastic
and
I'm
going
to
scan
through
for
hands
right
now
for
questions
for
john,
I
don't
see
any
hands
up.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
that
we've
got
about
15
14
minutes
left
in
our
in
our
planned
time,
together
today
and
john,
if
you're
still
sharing
your
screen,
but
if
you
could
go
out
of
that
mode.
That
would
be
great.
A
A
If
you
want
to
change
the
view,
so
you
can
see
everyone,
that's
in
the
that
buttons
in
the
top
right
hand
corner
you
can
go
to
gallery
view,
but
what
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
about
a
little
bit
is
about
what
you
all
would
like
to
see
in
a
live,
our
tour
of
a
microgrid
lab
coming
up
on
january
5th
and
and
rep
handy.
I
see
you
on
here.
I
see
we
have
assembly
members,
paulin
and
burke
great
to
see
you
on
here
as
well.
A
A
Oh,
my
gosh,
I'm
blanking
out
the
utility
name
there,
but
we
national
grid
is
the
utility
for
that
facility
up
in
massachusetts,
and
we
have
a
complete
solar
array,
some
storage,
but
there's
also
a
backup
generator
generator
involved
that
we
can
completely
island
off
the
the
facility
and
run
24
7.
If
we
needed
to
the
and
what
we
do
in
the
microgrid
lab
is,
they
can
actually
do
different
things
with
that.
A
As
far
as
implementing
different
software
in
the
automation
component
and
the
machine
learning
a
part
of
it,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
policymakers
don't
understand
that
gets
back
to
some
of
the
things
that
jessica
was
sharing
and
what
I
asked
her
is
that
you
know
what
what
goes
into
a
building
as
far
as
a
building
energy
management
system
and
what
runs
a
microgrid
is
exactly
the
same
thing.
There's
there's
no
difference
in
it.
A
A
A
The
way
they're
going
to
work
is
basically,
you
have
a
microgrid
small
platform
that
drops
right
into
the
fuse
box
and
you're
going
to
set
your
values
on
your
phone
and
with
with
the
internet,
edge
devices
that
it
can
communicate
with.
I
think
in
our,
in
our
view,
you
know
if
the
communication
ports
are
there,
it
can
be
the
heat
pumps,
the
hot
water
systems,
the
refrigeration
units,
the
ev
charging
can
all
be
optimized
for
whatever
the
values
are
for
that
customer
behind
the
meter
and
then
also
interacted
with
the
utility
within
a
value
spectrum.
A
E
Terrific
thanks
jeff.
I
think
that
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
as
other
than
what
you
have
described
this
now
is
what
are
the?
What
are
the
customer
service
ramifications?
How
does
a
customer
interact
back
and
how
do
they
respond
to
a
customer
if
a
customer
has
some
technical
problems
or
something
something
like
that,
but
I
I
think
that
you
know
in
with
the
limitations
of
the
way
we'd
have
to
see
this
virtually.
A
Yeah
we
did
it
for
neighborhood,
it
worked
out
pretty
well
because
we're
going
to
have
a
stand-up
camera.
So
it's
like
a
live
news
interview
except
you're.
The
interviewer
and
you'll
be
able
to
ask
questions,
kind
of
on
the
fly
and
so
forth.
But
you
know,
I
guess,
would
you
be
interested
in
seeing
the
outside
solar
array
in
the
parking
lot
or
it
was
just
the
internal
lab
part
good
enough
for
you.
Do
you
think.
E
You
know,
I
just
think
I
I
I
just
think,
maybe
a
quick
shot.
Here's
the
solar
thing:
we
don't
need
to
go
through
it
too
much.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
those,
but
here
here's
how
it
here's,
how
it's
integrated
and
how
it
hears
how
it
works
within
the
building.
I
think
that
would
be
more
interesting
to
me.
A
E
F
A
Yeah
fantastic
and
do
so,
and
I
just
want
to
drill
down
this
a
little
bit
so
is
it
more
important
in
your
mind
to
understand
the
you
know
that
how
you're
going
to
interact?
I
think
that's
really
the
you
know,
billy
dollar
question
to
quote
jessica
or
the
whatever,
however
jessica
put
it
it
is.
You
know
what
is
the
platform
of
which
you
interact
around
with
the
utility,
but
is
that
more
important
to
understand
that
than
the
business
models
that
are
being
exercised?
A
And
you
know
with
the
with
the
home
energy
management
systems?
Those
are
pretty
small
and
they're
going
to
be
adopted
without
you
know,
probably
a
lot
of
you
know
weird
business
models
other
than
people
buying
them
as
part
of
their
solar
system
they
may
they
may
buy
for
their
house,
but
for
some
of
the
larger
systems
you
know,
there's
energy
as
a
service.
There's
all
sorts
of
different
business
models
are
popping
up
behind
the
meter
and
I
think,
what's
kind
of
a
struggle.
F
A
At
that
point,
that's
an
example
of
one
business
model
that
is
being
adopted
and
used
in
places
like
new
york.
That
has
some
of
this
sorted
out
versus
other
places
where
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
laws
left
over
from
the
1950s.
That
kind
of
keep
some
of
some
of
these
innovation
things
from
coming
out.
California
is
a
good
example,
and
I
I
know
a
lot
of
discussions
we're
having
there
is
that
hey.
A
E
A
Fantastic,
that's
great
feedback,
so
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
we'll
do
a
good
amount
of
time
around
business
models
along
with
the
actual
microgrid
tour.
So
it's
not
just
a
micro
grid
tour
in
a
lab,
interactive
piece,
but
we'll
also
have
a
session
talking
about
some
of
the
different
business
models,
we're
seeing
not
only
in
the
us
but
elsewhere,
they're
helping
folks
to
get
you
know
again
bring
whatever
values
they
have,
so
those
values
are
different.
A
I
think
you
know
damian
said
that
in
his
presentation
that
you
know
different
and
john
did
too
you
know
someone
may
value
resiliency
over
price
right,
there's
all
sorts
of
different
value
structures
out
there
that
that
different
business
models
can
deliver.
Hey
we've
got
about
three
minutes
left,
and
so
I
want
to
see
if
anyone
has
any
you
talk
about
anything
in
your
jurisdiction,
that's
really
working
out
well
in
this
space
or
that
you
feel
confident
about.
A
If
you
have
any
questions
for
our
experts
who
are
still
with
us
here
on
this
call,
you
know
I
just
want
to
see
if
there's
anything
folks
want
to
share.
You
know,
as
far
as
good
policy
practices
you're
seeing
things
that
you
wish
we
would
spend
more
time
on
and
and
we
are
trying
to
provide
these
deeper
dives
into
some
of
these
topics
to
kind
of
add
on
to
what
you
got
previously
when
you
join
the
energy
institute.
So
any
comments
or
questions.
F
Not
related
to
resiliency,
although
I'm
very
interested,
obviously
in
that,
but
new
york
is
moving
toward
or
trying
to
move
toward
a
very
aggressively
a
renewable
grid,
and
so
I've
recently
introduced
carbon
pricing
bill
working
with
our
nyso,
and
I
I
would
love.
I
know
that
you
guys
probably
have
much
more
access
to
what's
happening
out.
There
I
mean
arn.
Arnaiso
is
claiming
that
you
know
I
mean
we're
uniquely
positioned,
because
new
york's
iso
is
is
solely
dedicated
to
new
york.
F
So
we're
we're
uniquely
positioned
to
do
something
like
this,
but
I
would
just
love
to
know.
You
know.
I
know
that
there's
a
california
initiative
and
others,
and
you
know,
as
we
move
forward,
because
I'm
going
to
be
very
aggressive
in
pushing
this
bill.
You
know
you
know
just
what
else
should
we
be
considering
and
what
else
is
out
there
and-
and
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
people
on
board.
F
A
A
A
E
A
All
right
so
there's
a
link
in
the
chat
box
to
do
the
evaluation
for
this
session
to
give
us
more
feedback.
If
again,
if
you
know
folks
that
would
benefit
from
going
through
lehigh,
we
still
have
a
few
slots
left
for
the
2021
class,
so
please,
let
folks
know
get
involved
to
glenn
christie.
Matt
yvonne,
send
the
names
to
us
and
we'll
make
sure
that
they
get
into
the
process
thanks
for
your
time,
thanks
to
our
great
speakers
today,
let's
give
them
all
virtual
applause.
A
If
you
can't
find
the
button,
you
can
just
give
them
a
thumbs
up
in
your
thing,
but
hey!
Thank
you
so
much
john
damian
and
jessica.
It's
always
great
to
get
people
with
actual
knowledge
on
these
calls.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
that
with
us
all
right,
hey
everyone
be
safe,
be
well
out
there
and
thanks
for
sharing
your
time
with
us,.