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From YouTube: Lessons Learned From the 2020 Primaries
Description
Now, before we’re in the thick of November’s election fever, is an excellent time to pause and reflect on this year’s primary season. What did we learn from the states, starting from Iowa’s caucuses in February all the way through September’s state primaries? We’ll discuss the timing for primaries, whether state and presidential primaries are best run jointly or as two separate events, how ranked-choice voting performed this year, independent voters' role in political party decisionmaking and more. Expect to take away ideas for 2022 or 2024.
A
Well,
hello,
hello
to
everyone,
I'm
so
pleased
that
you're
with
us
today
we
are
now
54
days
out
from
the
general
election,
and
yet
the
voting
has
already
begun
in
the
state
of
north
carolina.
Absentee
ballots
have
already
been
shipped
out
to
those
people
who
had
already
requested
them,
and
so
it
is
possible
that,
as
we
are
talking
here
today,
somebody
is
at
their
breakfast
table,
filling
out
their
ballot
right
this
minute
and
about
to
ship
it
back
in.
So
the
general
election
season
is
not
in
the
future.
A
It
is
right
now
with
us
now
I'm
wendy
underhill.
I
am
the
lead
of
the
elections
team
at
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures.
It
is
my
pleasure
to
be
your
host
here
today
we
have
looked
at
the
registration
and
it
looks
to
me
as
though
most
of
the
people
who
are
here
are
in
fact
from
legislatures
which
makes
sense.
That's
who
we
serve,
and
then
there
are
other
people
from
other
nooks
in
the
election
world
as
well,
and
we're
glad
to
have
you
too,
you
may
have
some
different
perspectives.
A
You
want
to
share
with
us
and
thank
you
all
for
coming,
so
I
did
start
by
talking
about
the
general
election,
but
it's
a
little
odd,
that's
on
our
minds.
But
what
we're
here
to
do
is
to
look
in
the
rearview
mirror
at
the
primaries
from
this
year,
and
I
have
to
say
that
the
primary
season
is
not
entirely
over
yet
yesterday,
rhode
island
had
its
state
primary
and
next
tuesday
delaware
has
its
for
the
last
one
in
this
season.
So
we
are
wrapping
up
the
primaries
before
the
primaries
have
actually
been
wrapped
up.
A
So
we're
looking
today
to
get
some
lessons
learned
from
what
took
place
during
the
primaries,
and
that
should
help
us,
but
more
than
for
the
general
election,
it
will
help
us
as
we
look
at
policy
making
into
the
future
next
legislative
season
and
beyond.
So
to
get
these
lessons
learned,
we've
invited
three
people
who
are
really
in
the
know,
on
primary
elections
and
what's
going
on
in
the
states,
we
have
with
us
speaker,
scott
psyche
from
hawaii.
A
So
before
we
get
started,
I
do
want
to
suggest
that
you
all
could
turn
off
your
phones.
You
could
turn
which
I
should
do
as
well
here
in
a
moment
turn
off
your
email.
If
you
can
and
then
prepare
to
use
the
chat
box.
The
first
thing
you
could
put
in
that
chat
box
is
where
you're
from
that
would
be
interesting.
But
what
has
your
take
away
from
your
experience?
Voting
in
the
primaries
this
year
been
where
were
you
when
you,
when
you
did
your
voting
at
home
in
a
polling
place?
A
How
did
you
make
your
decision?
Was
there
something
that
was
unusual
about
it?
We'd
just
love
to
gather
up
some
of
those
stories
from
you
all
in
the
audience
and
speaker
psyche.
That's
what
I
had
to
start
us
off
with
if
you're
ready,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you
and
christy
will
get
ready
with
the
slides.
B
Okay,
thanks
wendy,
thanks
to
ncso
for
hosting
this
webinar.
I
think
that
this
is
these
topics
are
just
very
timely
and
very
important
for
all
state
legislatures
and
for
the
territories.
B
So
thanks
for
inviting
me
hawaii
this
year
went
through
two
new
election
changes,
so
the
first
was
a
statewide
all-male
system
and
second,
we
did
use
a
ranked
choice.
Voting
system
in
our
democratic
primary
caucuses,
so
I'll
go
first
through
the
all
mail
system
and
I
have
some
slides,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
I'm
kind
of
bad,
sometimes
with
following
slides
I'll,
try
my
best
and
I'll.
Just
summarize.
So
our
primary
was
on
august,
8th
2020
and
we
I'm
on
act.
130
still
act,
136
flight.
B
We
approved
our
all
mail
system
on
a
statewide
basis
in
may
2019,
and
so
our
state
elections
office
did
a
really
good
job
in
working
over
the
past
year
to
organize
and
implement
the
system.
There
are
some
general
parameters
that
we
provided
for
in
our
legislation.
So
first,
as
I
mentioned,
this
was
a
state.
What
this
is
a
statewide
system.
B
B
We
allowed
for,
in
addition
to
the
mail-in
we
allowed
for
in-person
voting
with
some
limitations
at
the
voter
service
centers
and
through
dropboxes,
and
the
deadline
for
the
receipt
of
ballots
was
election
day
at
7
00
pm.
B
So
in
hawaii
we
have
our.
Our
system
is
shared
between
the
state
of
hawaii
elections
office
and
the
four
county
governments.
So
the
state
elections
office
is
basically
responsible
for
printing
ballots
and
overseeing
the
elections.
The
counties
are
responsible
for
collecting,
collecting
and
counting
ballot
and
counting
ballots
within
their
within
their
counties.
B
So
there
are
a
few.
There
were
a
few
reasons
why
we
finally
approved
statewide
mail-in
voting.
The
first
was
logistics.
We,
it
was
just
really
and
I'm
sure
all
jurisdictions
go
through
this,
it's
just
so
difficult
to
to
staff
polling
sites
throughout
the
state.
B
Second,
our
absentee
ballots
had
increased,
so
the
the
rate
of
absentee
ballots.
As
you
can
see
on
this
slide
in
20
in
2014,
our
absentee
mail
ballots
began
to
outpace
the
in-person
ballots
that
were
being
cast
at
polling
places.
B
And
the
third
reason
was
that
we
wanted
to
address
the
low
voter
registration
and
low
turnout
that
had
been.
You
know,
trending
for
the
past
few
years
in
hawaii
we
have
a
slide
here.
On
the
first
year,
startup
costs
we
appropriated
a
million
dollars
for
implementation
and
basically
that
basically
covered
three
areas.
B
Okay,
so
these
the
first
year,
startup
costs.
You
know
the
major
one
was
the
signature
card
updates.
The
the
county
clerks
didn't
made
an
extensive
effort
to
update
signatures
and
to
update
addresses
for
for
voters
throughout
throughout
the
state.
B
B
The
two
areas
where
we
saw
significant
savings
were
was
in
the
cost
for
election
day
officials,
but
that
was
offset
by
the
cost
of
postage,
because
hawaii
does
prepay
for
the
for
the
return
postage
for
balance.
B
Okay
in
the
next
slide
we
have.
This
is
just
a
graphic
of
the
polling
places.
I
mentioned
that
we,
this
is
very
logistical
to
organize
polling
sites.
We
have
250
polling
places
in
the
state.
This
is
prior
to
the
absentee
system.
B
We
reduced
that
to
14
voter
service
centers
and
35
drop
boxes
in
our
state.
Look
at
the
next
slide
order.
Registration
increase
seven
percent
this
year,
the
primary.
B
Next
slide
and
then
we
also
had
a
significant
a
significant
increase
in
voter
turnout.
We've
always
had
really
low
low
low
turnout
in
hawaii,
but
this
year
in
the
primary
the
inc,
the
increase
was
at
51.2
percent.
B
Okay,
the
next
slide
was
for
lessons
learned
for
for
the
for
the
all
male
system.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
advantages
were
the
cost
savings,
the
savings
in
in
terms
of
logistics,
staffing,
polling
sites.
B
We
had
a
really
good
communication
system
that
provided
public
for
public
education
on
the
new
system,
and
it
was
just
easier
just
easier
for
voters
to
register
and
and
to
vote
and
to
vote
disadvantages
were
there
are
a
couple
of
areas.
One
was
that,
from
the
campaign
perspective,
I
think
you
know.
B
Candidates
had
to
adjust
to
the
new
type,
the
news
timetable,
and
second,
there
was
a
slight
delay
in
the
counting
because
there
was
an
unprecedented
number
of
ballots
that
had
been
dropped
off
at
the
voting
centers
on
election
day,
so
that
caused
a
delay
from
saturday
night
until
sunday
morning
to
count
those
remaining
ballots
just
wanted
to
also
highlight
a
few
more
things.
B
Our
absentee
ballot,
our
our
mailing
ballots,
were
mailed
to
voters
approximately
three
weeks
prior
to
the
primary
election
day.
The
deadline
to
receive
them,
as
I
mentioned,
was
7
p.m.
On
election
day,
following
the
last
printout,
there
is
a
five-day
window
for
for
the
clerks
and
for
voters
to
challenge,
to
challenge
ballots
and
to
challenge
signatures
or
to
correct
signatures.
B
B
We
also
had
a
system
in
place,
and
this
is
an
online
system
where
voters
could
go
online
to
check
the
status
of
their
ballot,
so
the
system
would
tell
them
whether
or
not
their
ballot
had
been
received
by
the
clerk's
office.
So
that
was
a
pr
that
was
a
pretty
good
system
that
people
were
happy
with
okay,
so
I'll
just
pivot.
B
B
So,
on
the
next
slide
we
have
our
our
presidential
primary
was
on
may
22nd
and
democratic
party
holds
caucuses
throughout
the
state.
There
was
a
delay
this
year
because
of
colgan,
but
it
kind
of
the
the
party
actually
made
a
decision
prior
to
the
pandemic
to
use
a
ranked
choice
system,
so
it
kind
of
dovetailed
very
nicely
to
have
that
system
in
place.
On
the
next
slide.
B
The
democratic
party
contracted
with
the
merriman
river
group
to
conduct
the
rank
choice
voting
system,
so
merriman
basically
ran
with
everything
they
they
they
they
they
did
the
ballots.
They
contacted
the
voters,
they
ran
the
results
we
have
on
this
slide.
It
shows
that
we
mailed
the
democratic
party
mailed
about
79
000
ballots
to
party
members.
B
It
was
somewhat
low,
but
you
know
because
our
primary
was
held
on
may
23rd.
It
wasn't
very
exciting
because
at
that
point
you
know.
Vice
president
biden
was
already
the
presumptive
nominee,
the
only
other
candidate
that
was
really
campaigning.
That
point
was
tulsi
gabbard,
our
hawaii
congress
member,
although
you
know,
tulsi
didn't
even
receive
a
thousand
votes
in
in
the
writing
choice
system,
so
it
was
a
pretty
dominant
for
vice
president
biden
on
the
next
slide.
B
Voter
turnout
in
our
party
primary
did
an
increase
by
3.9
percent.
If
you
just
look
at
the
raw
numbers,
it
went
from
33
000
in
2016
to
five
thousand
twenty
twenty
and
then
finally,
in
the
last
next
slide,
lessons
learned
what
went
well
again,
logistics.
It
just
made
it
so
much
easier
for
everyone
to
register
and
to
vote
and
the
challenges
were
the
cost.
The
party
was
responsible
for
raising
the
funds
to
pay
for
the
system.
B
The
party
raised
230
000
dollars
for
the
merriman
contract.
The
second
challenge
was
public
education,
voter
education.
I
I
think
that
there
were
some
party
members
who
didn't
really
understand
the
ranked
choice
system.
B
Although
efforts
have
been
made
to
educate
the
public
about
it,
so
that's
an
area
that
is
that
will
continue
to
be
to
be
need
to
be
focused
on
okay,
so
those
that
is
my
last.
I
think
one
more
slide
mahalo,
which
is
thank
you
very
much.
I
will
I'm
not
sure
if
I
should
take
questions
now,
wendy
or
yes,.
A
Yes,
let's,
let's
have
you
take
some
questions
now
because
I
know
you've
got
a
tight
schedule
and
you
may
have
to
sneak
out
before
we're
completed
here.
Stan
wants
to
know
how
you
decided
how
many
vote
centers
would
be
needed.
I
mean
we
saw
that
the
number
of
polling
places
went
from
200
and
some
down
to
something
like
35
drop
boxes.
How
did
you
know
what
was
the
right
number.
B
Yeah,
that
was
just
really
that
was
arbitrary.
That
was
a
legislative
call.
There
was
discussion
during
the
session
in
may
2019
on
the
number
of
voter
centers.
We
basically
deferred
to
the
elections,
officials
it
was
and-
and
they
made
the
call
on
the
number.
I
think
that
we
will
probably
have
to
increase
the
number
of
centers
or
at
least
give
the
election
officials
the
the
flexibility
to
create
more.
A
A
I
know
in
colorado
when
they
went
to
all
male
in
2013.
They
had
a
certain
requirement
for
how
many
they'd
have
and
they've
decided
that
the
election
administrators
think
that
they
could
make
do
with
fewer
so
and
maybe
there's
a
little
bit
of
test
it
out
and
see
how
it
goes
on.
What's
the
right
number.
B
And
I
think
that
the
drop
boxes
were
actually
very
popular.
That
was,
you
know
the
clerks
created
the
dropbox
system,
and
that
was
that
was
really
helpful.
A
Got
it
so
you've
got
the
in-person
vote
and
then
you've
got
the
the
drop
boxes.
Jennifer
asks
if
the
republican
party
in
hawaii
did
or
didn't
use,
ranked
choice
voting
in
their
primary.
A
Okay,
all
right
to
be
interesting
to
see
if
they
do
otherwise.
Now
you
have
put
on
the
the
pro
side
for
both
the
ranked
choice
voting
and
from
the
all-male
voting
that
that
it
gave
voters
more
of
an
opportunity.
Did
you
hear
from
voters
that
they
liked
these
options
or
or
what
was
that
like?
How
do
you
know
that
that
was
working
for
them.
B
So
the
democratic
party
did
receive
a
lot
of
input
from
members,
and
I
I
think
in
part
the
ranked
booking
system
at
the
party
level
was
driven
by
the
parking
leadership.
So
there
was
a
response
from
the
party
members
and
I
think
for
the
on
the
on
mail
system.
Just
the
fact
that
the
turnout
increased
by
50
tells
us
that
you
know
people
appreciated
that.
Just
that
system.
A
Hawaii
is
the
most
recent
to
adopt
and
you
might
want
to
check
in
with
them
about
what
their
their
process
was
like
and
here's
another
question
for
you:
do
you
have
a
sense
yet
or
whether
hawaii
might
do
state-run
presidential
primary
in
2024
or
would
do
you
think
you'll
stick
with
party-run
nominating
processes.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
difficult,
you
know,
that's
a
difficult
issue.
The
party
just
feels
the
party
just
feels
very
proprietary
about
that
system
and
the
one
and
once
two
wants
to
run
it
and
does
not
want
to
make
it
a
state-run
election.
So
I
for
now
I
I
I
think
it'll
just
remain
with
the
party.
A
Got
it
got
it,
and
then
we
had
a
comment
from
lisa
who's
up
in
washington
and
she
cast
her
absentee
or
her
mail
ballot
early
by
dropping
to
dropbox.
I
believe-
and
she
said
that
when
it
was
time
for
the
date
of
the
primary
in
washington
25,
some
of
the
candidates
had
already
dropped
out
so
that
that
five
percent
of
the
ballots
were
for
candidates
that
were
no
longer
on
the
ballot.
A
I
don't
know
if
you
have
a
comment
about
that
and
we
can
certainly
bring
that
up
again
when
we
get
to
rob.
If
we
need
to.
If
you
vote
early,
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
respond
to
a
last
minute.
Surprise,
I
guess
is
the
message
there.
B
Yeah,
so
for
the
part
for
the
the
party
primary,
all
of
the
all
of
the
candidates
were
basically
on
the
ballot
unless
they
had
withdrawn.
A
A
C
Certainly,
thank
you
for
having
me
on
this
steam
panel.
As
you
know,
iowa
plays
a
unique
role
in
the
presidential
nominating
process
as
we're.
The
first
in
the
nation
caucus
state
make
it
clear
that
the
iowa
caucuses
are
run
entirely
by
the
political
parties
and
not
an
official
state
of
iowa
election.
My
office
doesn't
play
any
official
role
in
overseeing
them,
but,
however,
I'm
a
strong
advocate
for
keeping
iowa
first
in
the
nation,
because
our
voters
are
excellent
at
vetting
candidates
and
narrowing
the
field.
C
Our
level
of
civic
engagement
in
this
state
is
second
to
none.
Candidates
have
to
earn
iowa's
iowans
votes
to
be
by
looking
them
in
the
eye
and
answering
the
tough
questions,
we're
also
an
easy
state
for
candidates
to
travel
and
inexpensive
for
advertising.
So
the
most
well-funded
candidates
aren't
necessarily
the
ones
that
will
succeed.
C
When
we
look
at
what
happened
in
this
year's
caucuses,
I
think
it's
clear
that
adding
technology
to
the
situation
did
not
help
matters.
It
actually
made
it
worse.
We
learned
the
same
thing
in
the
elections
arena
not
too
long
ago.
In
the
early
2000s,
the
big
push
was
to
move
forward
electronic
touchscreen
voting
machines.
C
C
Technology
certainly
does
have
a
role
in
improving
our
elections,
as
we've
seen
in
our
state
with
the
electronic
poll
books.
However,
the
technology
has
to
be
thoroughly
tested
ahead
of
time,
which
appeared
to
be
one
of
the
problems
that
the
democrat
party
ran
into
with
the
iowa
caucuses.
This
last
cycle,
and
obviously
cyber
security,
is
a
constant
threat
that
all
election
officials
must
take
seriously
it's
a
race
with
no
finish
line.
Moving
forward.
Adjustments
are
going
to
have
to
be
made
if
political
parties
are
going
to
run
caucuses,
especially
while
using
new
technology.
C
I'll
note
that
the
republican
party's
approach
to
the
iowa
caucus
is
different
than
the
democrats,
republicans
simply
cast
their
vote
for
their
preferred
candidate
with
the
democrats
there's
a
15
threshold,
and
then
they
have
multiple
rounds
of
voting
and
a
lot
of
complicated
math
involved.
That
probably
needs
to
be
reevaluated
ahead
of
2024.
C
Looking
past
the
caucuses,
we
also
held
a
june
primary
in
iowa
that
included
a
u.s
senate
u.s
house
campaigns,
as
well
as
state
legislative
and
local
races,
and
when
the
pandemic
hit
us
here
in
iowa
in
march,
we
had
to
make
some
tough
decisions
quickly
about
how
to
conduct
a
clean,
fair
election
in
june,
not
knowing,
if
that
thing's,
what
things
are
going
to
look
like.
Actually,
I
made
a
decision
to
send
absentee
ballot
request,
forms
to
all
active
registered
voters
in
the
state.
C
C
However,
we
already
had
an
infrastructure
in
place
for
absentee,
so
some
people
did
disagree
with
my
decision.
Others
praised
it.
In
the
end,
this
was
about
keeping
the
voters
and
the
poll
workers
safe
while
running
a
smooth,
clean
election.
The
results,
as
I
said,
were
better
than
we
could
have
possibly
imagined.
We
had
no
lines
in
the
polling
locations.
We
had
significant
record
turnout
and,
despite
an
ongoing
pandemic
and
civil
unrest
across
the
state,
iowans
were
determined
to
make
their
voices
heard
in
the
best
possible
way.
C
By
voting
more
than
530
000
votes
were
cast
in
the
june
primary
shattering,
the
existing
record
by
more
than
80
000
votes
once
as
smooth,
as
could
have
possibly
hoped
for.
We
had
to
merge
polling
sites
because
we
were
having
challenges
with
recruiting
poll
workers.
Our
typical
poll
worker
is
a
senior
citizen
age.
There
are
high
risk
population,
coveted
scenario,
so
we
had
to
shift
and
we
allowed
to
consult.
C
Many
of
these
were
key
in
this.
The
guard
delivered
over
two,
almost
three
thousand
gallons
of
hand
sanitizer
across
the
state.
For
us,
these
are
logistics
that
most
election
folks
never
had
to
deal
with
before,
including
all
the
mass
gloves
and
and
various
other
things
that
were
needed.
So
these
were
all
part
of
what
we
had
to
do
to
make
sure
we
were
voting
safely
in
the
election.
C
We
were
able
to
get
the
election
results
reported
quickly
that
night,
due
to
to
an
emergency
directive
that
I
issued
that
allowed
our
county
auditors
to
begin
processing
the
absentee
ballots
ahead
of
election
day.
That's
something
we
typically
would
do
in
a
general
election,
but
we've
never
really
done
it
in
a
primary.
So
we
extended
that
to
the
primary
and
that
helped
immensely.
C
The
lessons
learned
are
teamwork
is
essential.
Local
state
and
federal
agencies
working
together
to
ensure
a
smooth
process
is
crucial.
Making
decisions
quickly.
That
might
not
please
everyone
but
are
based
on
safety
and
secure
security,
are
vital
as
election
managers
we
prepare
for
the
worst,
but
we
hope
for
the
best
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
as
we
look
into
november
and
just
to
give
you
a
plug,
we
just
sent
out
our
statewide
absentee
ballot
request,
forms
to
our
2
million
voters.
C
They
would
have
gotten
those
in
the
mailboxes
starting
on
saturday
and
they're,
getting
them
through
probably
today,
and
they
will
be
hopefully
responding
back.
We
have
one
of
the
highest
voter
participation
rates
in
the
country
and
we
want
to
keep
building
off
of
that
and
give
iowans
choices.
They
can
vote
in
person
at
the
county
courthouse.
They
can
vote
absentee.
They
can
vote
at
satellite
voting
and,
of
course
they
have
their
traditional
voting
on
the
polling
sites
come
election
day.
We
have
online
voter
registration
and
we
too
have
the
tracking
ability.
C
So
when
people
request
a
absentee
ballot
form,
they
can
go
online
and
see
if
it's
been
received.
It'll
show
when
the
auditor
sends
out
their
ballot
to
them
and
the
reverse
process.
When
the
auditor
gets
the
ballot
back,
we
also
use.
We
were
the
first
state
to
use
the
imb
barcodes
on
the
absentee
ballots
so
that
we
know
when
your
ballot
was
actually
received
originally
by
the
post
office.
So
we
don't
come
into
this
question.
Mark
of,
did
it
get
lost
somewhere
in
the
mail?
Was
it
delayed?
C
Did
it
meet
the
postmark
date
that
we
set
for
our
state
law?
So
we
feel
we've
got
a
lot
of
great
tools
out
there
and
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Wow
that
was
so
much
in
those
future
would
be
a
lot
of
you.
I
am
just
so
excited
for
you.
It
feels
as
though
iowa's
a
station
has
done
a
lot
of
experimentation
and
some
exciting
things
have
come
out,
and
you
touched
on
tech
at
the
front
end
with
tech
doesn't
always
serve
you,
but
then
you
touched
up
tech
on
the
back
end
about
the
intelligent
mail,
barcodes
and
the
ballot
tracking
system
that
you've
got.
So
I
guess
a
well-deployed
tech
is
what
what
we're
looking
for.
I
don't
know.
C
Most
certainly-
and
I
will
tell
you
that
one
of
the
priorities
I
set
when
I
first
came
back
into
office-
was
the
the
electronic
poll
books.
I
I
swear
by
those
the
greatest
tool.
Collection
official
could
ever
get
having
your
fingertips.
It
gives
us
the
checks
and
balances
so
that
when
people
come
in,
we
know
if
they
voted
absentee
or
not,
and
so
there's
no
double
voting.
We
have
provisional
ballots
if
there's
a
question
of
course,
but
those
kinds
of
tools
are
so
crucial
for
our
poll
workers
on
the
local
level,
great.
A
We
have
a
question
from
stan
and
that's
how
many
polling
places
do
you
expect
to
have
open
in
november
and
how
many
people
percentage-wise
do
you
expect
will
be
voting
in
person.
I
know
those
things
are
hard
to
tell
at
this
point
and
you're
sending
out
the
applications
so
we'll
soon
know.
But
but
what
can
you
tell
us
so
far?
Well.
C
Those
are
driven
a
lot
by
how
many
poll
workers
we
can
recruit
to
sign
up.
We
need
ten
thousand
poll
workers
to
successfully
staff
our
polls
across
the
gate.
We
also
deal
with
poll
sites
then,
due
to
coved,
we
had
a
lot
of
private
sites.
We
just
didn't
want
to
use
their
facilities.
Our
state
law,
though,
does
direct
that
our
schools
need
to
make
themselves
available,
but
we're
trying
to
be
good,
neighbors
and
work
with
the
schools
if
they're
trying
to
do
classes
and
with
coved.
C
These
are
all
challenges
our
local
election
folks
are
facing.
We
launched
a
poll
worker
recruiting
initiative
during
the
primary
and
we
recruited
about
a
thousand
new
poll
workers.
We
started
early
this
cycle
and
we
already
have
over
4
500
whole
workers
identified
and
growing,
so
I'm
pretty
confident
we'll,
probably
have
almost
all
the
polling
sites
open,
assuming
we
can
lock
down
the
sites.
A
Understood
that's
great
now.
Another
thing
that
you
mentioned
is
that
your
local
and
your
state
folks
are
working
really
well
together,
and
you
mentioned
dhs
and
that,
because
you've
been
around
for
a
few
years,
could
you
comment
on
the
role
the
federal
government
played
in
2016
compared
to
now?
I
know
this
is
off
script,
but
but
it's
my
impression
that
in
2016
they
sort
of
weren't
a
player
and
now
they
seem
like
they're
hand
and
glove
with
the
states.
What
what
do
you
think.
C
We
have
come
so
far.
I
can't
state
that
strongly
enough
in
2016
to
today
one
of
the
first
priorities
we
had
to
establish
a
vocabulary
so
that
they
were
talking
elections,
language,
not
their
language,
if
you
will
so
that
took
us
some
time,
but
but
we
have
successfully,
I
think,
a
very
positive
relationship
lines
of
communication,
they're
understanding
that
we're
not
same
with
some
of
the
other
critical
infrastructure
things
they're
used
to
dealing
with
like
power
companies
and
those
type
of
scenarios.
So
I
yes,
they
were
very
important
to
us.
C
We
now
share
almost
real-time
information,
we're
able
to
monitor
what's
going
on
across
the
country.
So
if
an
election
center
operation
in
east
coast
is
having
a
problem,
they
can
share
with
the
rest
of
us,
so
we
can
head
it
off.
So
it
does
help
us
battle
back
against
these
bad
actors
and
also
potential
technical
issues
that
might
come
up
so
that
we
can
be
better
partners.
So
I
would
give
a
plus
on
working
well
together.
A
Okay,
don't
go
away,
I'm
gonna
ask
rob
to
ask
his
question
to
you
directly
and
then
we'll
turn
over
to
rob,
rob,
go
ahead
and
ask
secretary
pete.
D
Great
to
meet
you
secretary
of
debate
and
yeah-
I
just
put
my
question
in
the
chat
box,
but
you
know,
fingers
crossed
is
where
I
wrote
that
we
would
really
hope
that
19
doesn't
get
worse
for
all
kinds
of
reasons,
for
our
economy
and
health
and
everything
else
and
but
for
our
elections
if
it
did,
and
there
was
sort
of
like
this
health
mandated
belief
that
we
should
lock
down
more.
I
was
just
wondering
given
how
well
you've
been
negotiating
this
complicated
train
this
year.
D
C
Well,
based
on
our
success
in
the
primary,
I
think
we
could
focus
more
on
that
approaching
more
aggressively.
C
We've
had
a
record
turnout
in
our
primary
general
election-wise
iowans
vote.
They
just
do
and
I'm
looking
at
I'm
easily
could
see
80
of
the
people
casting
their
ballot
in
the
fall
primary
will
use
absentee.
So
what
you're
talking
about
is
how
do
we
reach
that
last
20,
and
so
clearly,
we'd
have
to
go
out
and
really
underscore
and
promote
folks
to
use
the
absentee
approach
and
we
haven't.
You
know
we
have
a
no
excuse
to
absentee
process
in
iowa,
so
we
don't
have
to
have
notaries.
C
We
don't
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
red
tape
to
get
done,
so
I'm
pretty
comfortable
that
we
could
ramp
it
up
and
put
a
lot
more
emphasis
on
it.
We've
had
to
do
that
with
the
the
care
centers.
You
know
the
senior
centers
or
those
facilities
in
their
cases.
You
know
with
coved,
you
just
couldn't
send
poll
workers
in
to
help
cast
their
ballot,
so
we
do
have
the
experience,
and
I
guess
I'm
comfortable
that
we
can
ramp
that
up
and
be
successful.
If
we
see
a
covet
crisis.
A
D
Great
I'll
use
a
powerpoint
here
as
well
is
that
is
that
visible?
At
this
point?
Oh,
it's
not
visible,
because
I
haven't
shared
the
screen
that'll.
Do
it
every
time?
Sorry
about
that
here
we
go
okay;
theoretically,
this
should
be
now
shared.
Indeed
it
is
go
for
it.
Oh
there
we
go
so
I'm
going
to
zero
in
on
a
particular
piece
of
the
puzzle.
D
That
representative
psyche
talked
about
a
bit
from
hawaii,
but
was
an
important
part
of
the
process
in
several
states,
and
I
think,
raises
kind
of
some
some
important
policy
conversations
going
forward
about
the
idea
of
using
ranks
voting
ballots
in
presidential
primaries
and
caucuses
as
a
reminder
about
rangers
voting
it
it's
coming
up
as
a
conversation
more
and
more
across
the
country,
as
as,
as
we
encounter
the
limitations
of
a
system
where
you
can
indicate
only
a
single
choice
and
get
like
a
top
of
the
heap
winner
plurality.
D
But
when
are
in
these
increasingly
crowded
races,
we
have
a
number
of
congressional
primaries
one
this
year,
one
with
very
low
percentages
of
the
vote,
just
one
in
massachusetts.
Last
week,
one
with
less
than
22
percent
one
in
tennessee,
with
less
than
20
percent
in
seats
where
that
winner
is
now
going
to
go
into
congress
and
there's
just
a
conversation
about.
D
Is
that
enough,
and
and
and
and
should
we
be
asking
more
rangers
voting-
is
a
system
that
that
those
who
who
support
it
believe
it
addresses
problems
of
vote,
splitting
wasted
votes
like
that
and
then
some
of
the
strategic
voting
that
comes
with
the
current
system.
D
So
what
you
do
is
you
get
a
ballot
that,
rather
than
just
pick
one,
is,
is
you're
essentially
picking
back
up
choices,
you're
you're
having
a
ballot
that
allows
you
to
do
a
second
choice,
if
you
so
choose
in
a
third
choice
and
so
on,
and
when
you're
electing
one
person,
you
add
up
all
those
first
choices,
that's
your
vote
and
if
someone
gets
over
half
you
have
a
winner
but
say
you
have
a
situation
like
this,
where
the
top
candidate
has
over
40
but
not
over
50.
D
You
would
go
to
the
next
round
and
the
candidate
in
the
last
place
is
out
sort
of
logically
that
that
candidate
has
lost
and
those
ballots
are
are
added
to
the
totals
of
the
next
ranked
choice,
and
you
continue
until
a
candidate
tops
50.
So
everybody,
you
know,
only
counts
one
at
a
time
for
a
person
but
you're
getting
these
these
backups.
D
So
it's
it's.
These
are
places
that
are
using
it
in
some
form.
One
interesting
use
of
it
is
for
a
number
of
southern
states
use
it
for
all
their
overseas
voters
when
they
have
a
runoff
election
in
congressional
primaries.
That'll
be
happening
in
louisiana,
say
in
november,
where,
where
overseas
voters
and
out-of-state
military
voters
get
a
ranked
ballot
so
that
ballot
can
count
in
their
runoff
and
they
can
have
their
runoff
closer
to
the
first
round.
You
have
some
cities
and
states
using
it
for
for
everything.
D
In
2020,
there
were
some
important
uses.
Maine
is
the
state
that's
most
sort
of
farther
along
furthest
along
and
using
rankers
voting.
They
used
it
for
all
their
congressional
and
state
primary
elections
in
august,
including
a
republican
primary
which
went
to
a
tour
to
an
instant
runoff
and
it'll
use
it
for
its
u.s
senate
and
presidential
elections
in
in
november,
both
of
which
have
at
least
four
candidates
and
it'll,
probably
kick
in
and
have
an
impact.
D
The
indiana
republican
party
and
the
virginia
republican
party
used
it
in
some
significant
contests,
picking
an
attorney
general
nominee,
a
congressional
nominee,
both
of
those
races,
actually
changed.
The
first
choice
outcome.
Both
major
parties
in
utah
kind
of
dealing
with
the
challenges
of
kobit,
had
virtual
state
conventions
and
used
rank
choice,
voting
and
seemed
quite
pleased
with
the
process.
A
total
of
seven
city
and
county
elections
will
have
it
and
then
what
I'll
focus
on
today
is
this?
D
This
use
of
it
in
presidential
primaries
for
party-run
primaries
for
all
their
voters
in
nevada
did
just
for
their
their
early
voters
in
tandem
with
their
traditional
pockets
and-
and
the
idea
came
up
in
these
contests
really
as
these
parties
that
are
running
their
own
contests
sort
of
grappled
with
how.
How
can
we
make
it
easier
for
a
vote,
sort
of
open
the
process
and
rankers
voting
kind
of
solved
a
problem
and-
and
we
heard
a
little
bit
about
hawaii
but
the
problem-
is
you
know?
D
How
do
you
allow
people
to
vote
absentee
to
vote
without
being
in
person
in
a
traditional
caucus
when
they
could
move
to
a
backup
choice,
as
secretary
pate
mentioned,
as
democrats
do
well
a
ranked
ballot
kind
of
effectively?
Does
that?
And
so
all
these
uses
this
year
were
done
by
the
party
rule?
So
it
wasn't,
wasn't
a
wasn't
a
decision
of
the
state
party,
but
it
was,
or
rather
the
state
government
it
was.
It
was
a
choice
of
the
party.
D
A
state
law
could
be
passed
to
use
rangers
voting.
That's
one
thing
that
we'll
touch
base
on
it
just
needs
to
accommodate
party
rules
that
that
can
be
differing
based
on
on
the
party,
so
really
think
of
it
as
a
rank.
Choice
ballot
in
tandem
with
with
the
rule,
so
the
ballot
would
look.
Something
like
this
democrats
had
this
this
telling
system,
so
they
have
a
15
threshold.
D
So,
rather
than
that
one
I
showed
earlier,
where
you
need
to
get
50
to
win
you're,
essentially
trying
to
say
you
want
every
remaining
candidate
to
have
reached
the
threshold
of
15,
so
that
if
you
have
a
crowded
field,
like
the
democrats
had
that
republicans
had
in
2016,
and
I
think
we
can
anticipate
in
in
open
contests
going
forward.
D
D
But
again,
righteous
voting
was
sort
of
the
vehicle
to
allow
these
states
to
go
to
vote
by
mail
I'll
serve,
lift
up
kansas
there,
where
they
had
this
huge
increase
in
participation
and
you
know,
are-
are
really
kind
of
applaud
their
their
their
decision
to
use
anxious
voting
to
permit
that
so
voters,
first
time
out
getting
a
ballot
like
this
for
the
first
time
and
we're
really
pleased
with
how
people
engaged
with
it.
D
This
a
lot
of
the
voting
took
place
after
the
contest
was
effectively
decided,
but
not
all
of
the
bouts,
like
a
lot
of
the
ballots
in
in
some
of
the
states
made
were
sent
before
it
was
effectively
decided
and
and
and
but
even
you
know
still,
you
know
about
three
and
four
voters
decided
to
to
use
their
rankings
and
and
indicate
a
backup,
and
that
really
actually
had
an
impact
here
here.
It
is
sort
of
state
by
state.
D
You
see
how
it
began
to
decline,
the
the
the
farther
farther
the
the
year
went
along,
but
still
you
know
more
than
half
of
people
using
those
rankings
so
in
the
states
that
had
ranchers
voting
in
the
states
that
didn't
about
90
percent
of
voters
counted
in
both
kinds
of
states
voted
for
a
candidate
who
was
active
at
the
time
of
the
contest,
and
then
you
know
about
10
percent.
Didn't
what's
different
is
in
the
ranked
choice.
States.
Almost
all
of
those
ballots
ended
up
counting
for
an
active
candidate
as
a
backup
right.
D
So
that's
what
the
rank
of
the
the
ranked
trust
did.
So
you
look
at
this
in
kind
of
a
dramatic
level
dark
dark
background.
You
know
3
million
votes,
that's
a
lot
of
votes
were
counted
for
withdrawn
candidates
in
2020,
meaning
the
person
when
they
voted.
Most
of
those
votes
were
cast
when
that
person
was
still
active
and
by
the
time
they
were
counted,
the
person
had
dropped
out.
So
one
of
the
issues
with
early
voting
is
you
don't
know,
what's
happened
close
and,
let's
use.
This
is
a
good
example.
D
It
actually
came
up
in
the
chat
box
box
earlier,
but
washington
state.
You
could
really
see
this
quite
well
because
on
election
night
about
half
the
ballots,
total
ballots
that
were
ultimately
account
in
the
primary
were
counted
early
were
had
had
been
cast
early
and
of
those
ballots
over.
A
third
were
people
who
had
dropped
out.
The
ballot
was
counted
for
their
candidates,
who
would
who
had
dropped
out
like
a
bloomberg
or
a
buddhist
edge,
or
a
a
warren,
with
the
late
arriving
ballots
that
were
counted
after
that
it
dropped.
D
D
You
would
just
be
able
to
indicate
your
backup
colorado
had
a
particularly
dramatic
way
of
dealing
with
people
votes
for
withdrawn
kenneth
is
they
just
didn't
count
them
at
all
for,
as
as
a
public
vote,
so
that
the
public
record
of
the
colorado,
democratic
presidential,
primary
14
of
the
votes
that
were
actually
cast
are
not
part
of
that
turnout
pattern,
because
they're
just
treated
as
under
votes,
even
though
the
people
actually
did
vote
for
the
person
and
just
didn't
get
a
chance
to
indicate
that
backup
and
there's
a
quote
here
from
the
former
speaker
of
the
house,
sort
of
showing
how
that
silences
voices
so
going
forward.
D
We
want
to
sort
of
lift
up.
You
know
some
different
things
that
could
happen
so
state
legislators
could
move
this,
so
it's
not
just
parties
acting
that
they
could
establish
righteous
voting
as
a
ballot
for
presidential
primaries,
and
then
the
party
rules
would
be
applied
to
that
ballot.
That's
been
created
and-
and
there
need
to
be
a
communication
with
with
people
like
secretary
kate,
about
how
to
do
that.
D
Rangers
voting
is
an
option
for
them
to
kind
of
make
that
work,
and
we
expect
you
know
some
states
will
continue
to
have
have
the
parties
run.
The
contest,
as
we
heard,
is
likely
for
hawaii,
and
so
that
conversation
will
happen
at
the
party
level.
Sort
of
a
bigger,
bolder
idea
is
that
the
states
and
the
parties
could
actually
begin
to
talk
together
about
how
to
how
to
come
up
with
a
system
that
works
forever
with
for
everyone.
One
thing
I've
experienced
is:
we
are
a
nonpartisan
organization.
D
D
It's
it's
it's
very
similar
and
there
has
very
similar
conversations,
but
sometimes
it's
not
easy
to
coordinate,
but
if
they
could
coordinate
about
how
might
we
do
a
schedule
that
kind
of
accomplishes
our
goals
of
getting
a
viable
nominee
and
a
you
know,
brings
the
party
together
as
best
as
possible
and
includes
as
many
people
as
possible.
I
think
there
are
some
important
changes
that
could
be
done
and
that
I
think
the
rangers
voting
ballot
fits
in.
That
because
say
let's
say
you
had
a
lot
more
states
voting
on
a
particular
day.
D
D
We
know
states
are
going
to
hit
be
hit
hard
in
the
pocketbook
because
of
coven,
19
and-
and
you
know,
holding
presidential
primaries
separate
from
other
primaries
cost
money
that
that
maybe
there's
a
productive
role
for
for
for
congressional
funding,
at
least
a
conversation
to
have
about
that.
So
that's
what
I
wanted
to
lift
up
today
and
I'll
I'll
send
this
back
to
to
wendy.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
rob.
I
appreciate
very
much
your
comments.
The
thing
that
strikes
me
here
is
that
the
states
where,
in
the
presidential
primaries
they
used
rank
choice
voting.
It
was
the
democrats
who
chose
to
do
that.
Am
I
right
that
all
five
of
those
states?
It
was
the
democrats
that
chose
to
do
that
and,
if
that's
true,
why
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
a
an
advantage
to
democrats
or
or
to
recover.
D
Yeah
there
isn't,
and
actually
some
of
these
interesting
uses
of
it
this
year
were
for
both
parties.
It
sort
of
depends
on
the
context,
so
the
like,
like
the
indiana
republican
party,
you
know,
was
having
kobe
19
challenges
did
want
to
have
a
state
convention
where
everyone
came
together.
They
had
this
really
important
job
to
nominate
the
attorney
general
they
had
a
incumbent
member
who
was
had
had
some
sort
of
perceived
scandal
was
seen
as
as
potentially
a
challenge
to
to
renominate.
D
They
had
three
challengers
ranked
just
voting
was
used
to
resolve
that
he
actually
led
in
first
choices,
but
the
other
candidate
vote
consolidated
around
them.
Clearly,
you
know
it's
just
kind
of
like
a
a
solution
to
how
to
handle
a
crowded
field
in
the
presidential
field.
It
was
tied
to
the
fact
that
one
party
had
a
wide
open
contest
and
the
other
party
didn't,
and
I
I
think,
for
state
policy
makers.
D
You
know
looking
forward
they'll,
just
sort
of
set
the
table
and
it'll
matter
differently
for
parties
based
on
the
kind
of
contest
they
have,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
republicans
in
2016
in
the
presidential
side.
Really
ringing
their
hands
about
their
crowded
field
and
a
lot
of
interest
in
how
rankers
voting
could
have
helped
there.
A
Yeah
so
interesting
that
there
was
a
crowded
field
on
the
one
side
four
years
ago,
in
the
crowded
field
on
the
other
side
and
we'll
see
what
the
conversation
is
going
forward.
Stan
wants
to
know
what
percentage
of
ballots
are
tend
to
come
back
with
just
the
one
vote
for
their
first
choice
without
others.
D
Yeah,
it's
always
dependent
on
the
nature
of
the
contest.
What
we
found,
I
shared
a
slide
earlier
that
it
was
about
one
in
four.
It
was,
interestingly
by
people
who
voted
for
biden
or
sanders.
First,
quite
logically,
were
less
likely
to
rank
anyone
else.
Those
who
voted
for
someone
who
was
more
likely
to
be
below
15
were
a
lot
more
like
so
about
90
of
those
voters
did
if
you
have
like
a
big
contested,
mayoral
race,
you'll,
usually
see
about
90
percent
of
people
rank
ranked
candidates.
D
I
saw
there's
a
comment
here
by
the
way
about
our
question
about
maine
and
about
whether
it's
going
to
be
used
for
president
or
not
the
it's
been
kind
of
a
touch
and
go
question
about
whether
a
ref,
so
they
passed
a
law
to
extend
rankers
voting
to
presidential
elections
and
actually
their
next
presidential
primaries
by
the
way
in
2024..
So
maine
will
be
the
first
state
to
use
it
for
presidential
primaries
in
2024
as
a
state
as
a
party,
you
know
a
state-run
law
anyway.
D
That
bill
was
subject
to
a
referendum,
effort
to
people
who
wanted
to
block
it
and
there's
a
question
about
whether
the
signatures
have
been
collected
or
not.
The
most
recent
finding
seems
to
be,
they
have
fallen
short
and
ballots
are
being
printed
for
president
with
with
rangers
voting
on
them,
and
if
that,
for
some
reason
were
to
change
almost
certainly
that
would
only
be
the
referendum
would
be
on
a
future
ballot
and
they
will
use
rankers
ready
for
president.
A
A
So
my
question
for
all
three
of
you,
but
I'm
gonna,
go
with
you
first
speaker
is
when
we're
talking
about
primaries,
we're
really
talking
about
nominating
processes
for
the
parties.
What
can
you
tell
me
about
the
independent
voters
in
your
state
and
what
their
roles
or
interests,
or
what
do
you
hear?
Should
they
have
a
role
in
these
processes
at
all?
B
Well,
I
I
think
that
the
yeah,
the
independents
are
to
an
extent
left
out
of
the
primary
system.
They,
although
you
know
my
my
feeling,
is
that
a
lot
of
independents
in
hawaii
probably
register
with
the
democratic
party,
but
they
yeah.
I
think
that
is.
That
is
an
issue
that
we
have
we
have
to.
We
have
to
address.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
include?
How
do
you
include
independent
voters
in
a
primary
system.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
secretary
pate.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that.
C
Well,
we've
seen
a
distinct
trend
now,
for
the
first
time
at
least
a
long
time
right,
I'm
aware
of
the
republican
democrat
party
actually
outnumbers
the
no
party
voter
registrations
now
in
our
state-
and
you
know,
in
all
fairness,
the
concept
of
nominating
someone
from
your
political
party
should
probably
be
done
by
people
of
that
political
party.
C
People
who
are
no
party
want
to
have
a
vote
in
that
they
have
to
make
a
decision
in
the
early
stages
of
choosing
one
of
those
parties.
It's
very
simple
to
do
in
our
state
when
you
go
into
the
primary
or
you
can
go
to
a
caucus.
You
say
I'm
a
republican
around
the
democrat
for
this
particular
vote.
They
can
turn
right
around
and
change
back
being
no
party
but
for
the
nomination
process.
C
B
Just
had
one
thing:
wendy
really
quickly.
Sorry
just
thought
of
this:
oh
please,
please!
So
for
our
for
our
caucus
system,
you
have
to
be
a
party
member
to
vote,
but
in
the
regular
primary
election
there
is
no
requirement
for
you
to
declare
what
party
or
what
your
party
of
politician
is
so
independent.
There's
a
lot
of
cross
voting
that
goes
on
within
our
official
prime
formal
primary
system.
A
D
I'll
just
say
it's
there,
that
a
conundrum
that
I
think
is
particularly
well.
It's
it
it
we're
just
gonna.
Have
it
be
talked
about
more
and
more,
because
younger
people
are
less
likely
to
to
register
in
the
major
parties,
and
it's
like
you
know,
I
I
think
building
a
system
for
tomorrow
is
as
as
well
as
today.
You
know
I.
D
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
a
a
role
for
people
who
who
make
that
choice
and
their
you
know,
one
one
option
is
is
is
is
to
open
up
primaries
that
points
made
earlier
about.
You
know.
Is
that
really
what
a
party
wants-
and
you
know,
but
but
then
do
we
have
a
general
election
system
that
kind
of
accommodates
that
that
political
energy
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
conversations
that
that
rangers
voting
allows
it's
like.
D
Well,
let's,
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
let
more
more
people
in
at
that
level,
but
it
is
one
that
you
know
you
have
in
some
states.
I
think
it's
oregon,
like
about
half
of
the
registered
voters,
are
actually
not
able
to
vote
in
their
primaries.
D
You
know
at
what
point
does
that
become
something
we
just
we
just
can't.
You
know,
there's
something
wrong
with
that,
and
then
I'll
say
about
hawaii.
Is
that
that
fact
that
a
lot
of
independents
are
used
to
voting
in
their
primaries
without
registering
was
sort
of
an
issue
in
the
presidential
primary
and
they
were
like
well,
why.
D
My
ballot,
you
know
my
presidential
ballot
built
because
they
hadn't
registered
as
a
democrat,
but
they
felt
sort
of
outraged
about
it.
So
it
is
something
that
that
you
know
we
experienced
that
on
the
voter
education
side
in
hawaii.
A
Got
it
got
it?
I
I'm
going
to
ask
secretary
pete
to
start
on
the
next
one
and
he
can
start
with
answering
stan's
question
about
whether
your
electronic
poll
works
are
networked
so
that
your
information
is
real
time.
That's
a
real,
quick
answer,
but
then
I'd
like
you
to
address
and
then
I'll
come
to
the
other
two
speakers
as
well
the
timing
of
primaries
earlier.
A
Is
it
better
later
I
we
and
I
we've
got
that
dovetails
with,
should
state
primaries
and
presidential
primaries
be
combined
into
one
or
are
they
better
run
separately
right
now,
we're
most
in
hawaii
and
in
iowa
they're
run
separately,
but
they
can
be
put
together.
So
that's
a
lot
out
there
secretary,
pat
you
first
and
electronic
poll
books
and
then
timing,
and
whether
the
two
marries
should
be
run
together.
C
Well,
I
I'm
the
chair
of
the
cyber
committee
for
the
national
association
of
secretary
of
state.
Ultimately,
our
goal
would
be
yes,
we'd
like
to
have
them
be
networked
at
the
present
time.
We're
uncomfortable
I'll
speak
for
state
of
iowa,
because
until
we
are
comfortable
that
we
have
got
the
security
measures
there
to
ensure
that
no
one
can
manipulate
or
get
into
the
system.
We're
not
going
to
do
that.
C
Yet
we
so
we
don't
allow
them
to
network
them
and
we're
looking
at
the
future,
of
course,
and
to
your
la
second
part
of
your
question
about
where
we're
going
here.
I
guess
I
would
say
that
this
is
a
very
distinguished
panel
and
as
a
republican,
not
just
secretary
of
state,
I
may
have
an
opinion
on
how
I
want
to
see
the
primaries
handled.
C
Because
again,
I
I'm
a
strong
believer
that
the
primaries
are
part
of
the
party
building
process
and
you
know
they're
the
ones
that
recruit
the
candidates
they're
the
ones
who
support
the
candidates
they're
the
ones
who
drive
the
the
election
process.
And
frankly,
I
believe
the
political
parties
are
the
ones
who
have
a
lot
to
say
about
what
the
voter
turnout
will
be,
because
if
they
recruit
good
candidates
and
have
a
very
spirited
campaign,
you
have
higher
voter
turnout
as
elections.
C
Commissioner
for
the
state
of
iowa,
I'm
going
to
do
my
darndest
to
try
to
get
every
eye
on
to
take
their
civic
duty
seriously,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
campaigns
and
the
political
parties
who
drive
this
and-
and
they
have
this
battle
every
four
years.
When
we
start
talking
about
the
president's
side,
you
know
what
state's
going
to
be
first,
which
one's
third-
and
I
don't.
It's
not
a
real,
pretty
process
to
put
a
politely.
A
I
got
you
but
asking
you
that
question
you.
You
need
to
keep
your
position
on
the
calendar
and
I
know
that's
super
important
speaker
psyche
anything
about
putting
the
two
primaries:
the
presidential
and
the
state
together
or
when
you
like,
to
run
it
in
the
front
end
of
the
calendar
or
the
back
end.
Should
it
move,
should
it
always
be
the
same?
What
do
you
think
well.
B
I
think
part
of
the
issue:
if
you
combine
the
two
is
whether
or
not
you
would
have
to
have
a
closed
primary
system
and
limit
the
primary
voters
to
those
who
declare
a
party
of
affiliation-
and
you
know,
because
we
have
hawaii-
has
an
open,
open
system,
so
anyone
can
in
the
primary
election.
B
There
was
a
lawsuit
about
10
years
ago
by
some
party
democratic
party
award,
who
who
sued
to
to
bring
back
a
closed
system
and
the
photo
the
federal
court
reject
rejected
that
that
claim.
So
I
I
think
it's
it's
a
it's
a
fi.
It's
a
fine
line
between
you
know
how
open
how
open
do
you
want
the
system
to
be
in
a
primary
election.
A
Great
and
I
we
are
coming
right
up
on
the
hour,
I
don't
see
any
more
questions
in
the
chat
box.
I
thought
I
would
offer
that
that
this
was
about
lessons
learned,
and
so,
if
we
could
quickly
go
around
one
more
time
and
ask
each
of
you
when
it's
six
months
from
now,
what
do
you
think
we're
going
to
be
talking
about?
Will
it
be
what
what
kinds
of
lessons?
A
Okay,
I
like
that
and
that's
something
that
ncsl
is
trying
to
be
on
top
of
for
the
legislative
session,
yet
to
come.
What
are
the
policy
choices
that
can
be
made
to
make
that
run
smoothly?
We
don't
control,
of
course,
the
postal
service,
but
but
there's
lots
and
lots
of
things
that
can
happen
around
the
drop
boxes
and
the
processing
deadlines.
Great.
Thank
you.
So
much
rob
I'll
go
to
you
next
and
then
we'll
close
with
secretary
pete.
D
Yeah,
I
think
this
this,
you
know
how
do
we
deal
with
elections
in
a
pandemic
and
and
and
voting
remotely
is,
is
now
becoming,
I
think,
a
necessity
for
for
for
more
people-
and
I
you
know
just
when
my
rankers
voting
had
I
I
think
that
means
you
know
more
bouts,
going
out
early
more
people
voting
earlier
and
it's
things
like
sequentially
held
primaries.
D
It
just
becomes
very
apparent
that
that
idea
of
giving
people
a
backup
is,
is
going
to
be
a
conversation
when
I
think
about
3
million
votes
lost
because
they
voted
for
withdrawn
candidates
compared
to
say
600,
000
or
whatever.
The
number
was,
which
is
still
way
too
high
for
ballots
that
had
problems
in
the
processing
for
for
for
for
vote
by
mail.
It
seems
like
those
are
both
things
that
we
can
make
improvements
on.
A
C
Well,
first,
I'd
say
that
many
of
the
states
are
going
to
be
looking
at
you
just
don't
do
vote
by
mail
overnight.
State
of
washington
did
theirs.
It
took
them
five
years
to
ramp
up
to
be
where
they're
at
today.
So
for
those
states
who
got
thrown
into
this,
this
cycle
they're
going
to
be
revealing
wow,
we
really
messed
that
one
up
or
we
really
hit
a
home
run
here.
C
Those
are
going
to
be
issues,
but
the
real
issue
is
not
a
new
one
and
it's
getting
worse
and
more
challenging,
and
that
is
dealing
with
misinformation
that
is
causing
people
to
perhaps
come
disenfranchised
to
lose
confidence
and
saying:
that's
not
my
governor.
That's
not
my
president,
because
of
the
nonsense
that
people
are
putting
out
there
at
all
different
directions.
I
can
go
down
the
list
and
it's
not
just
political
parties.
C
We've
got
the
russians
and
we've
got
the
chinese
and
we've
got
others
who
are
doing
their
little
games
as
well,
but
we
need
to
stand
a
little
more
firmer
on
look
the
mail
works.
Look
our
absentee
program
works.
Do
we
have
bumps?
Yes,
but
we
have
safeguards
and
remind
the
voters
of
all
the
safeguards,
the
checks
and
balances
we're.
I
think
the
united
states
has
a
great
track
record,
so
got
to
stand
tall
on
that.
A
Yeah,
I
love
that,
as
I'm
so
glad
that
that
you
got
the
final
word
here,
because
you're
absolutely
right,
election
officials
around
this
nation
do
everything
they
possibly
can
to
run
a
good
election
to
give
voters
choice
on
how
they
do
it
to
run
safe
elections,
whether
it's
in
a
polling
place
or
by
absentee
we've
got
the
safeguards.
We've
got,
we've
got
it
all
in
place
and
then
I'll
also
just
say
that
you
talked
about
misinformation.
We
got
no
misinformation
on
this
call.