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A
A
A
This
and
I'm
just
going
to
give
it
one
more
a
minute
and
then
we'll
start,
and
you
want
to
let
people
know
that
we
are
recording
this.
So
if
you
have
friends
and
neighbors
who
want
to
see
this
after
the
fact,
if
your
friday
or
saturday
night
would
involve
listening
to
a
census,
update
you
get
that
opportunity.
A
Okay,
christy,
if
you
give
me
the
go-ahead,
I
will
just
nod
your
head
and
I'll
just
jump
right
in
okay,
all
right!
Well,
thanks
everybody
for
coming.
I
do
notice
that
in
the
virtual
world,
people
tend
to
be
more
on
time
than
they
are
in
the
real
world,
so
we
will
try
to
be
respectful
of
that.
For
you
all,
we
have
quite
a
full
agenda
today.
We
have
multiple
moving
parts.
A
So
that's
it
first
thing
I
might
ask
is
that
if
you
aren't
muted,
go
ahead
and
mute
yourself
unless
you
have
a
speaking
role,
we
do
hear
some
somebody
in
the
background,
all
right,
so
here's
the
lineup
first
we're
going
to
hear
from
susan
frederick,
who
is
senior
federal
council
in
the
ncaa
dc
office,
she's,
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
hr1,
then
we're
going
to
go
over
to
james.
Many
of
you
know
james
whitehorn,
from
the
census
bureau.
He'll
tell
us.
A
What's
the
latest
news,
I
don't
think
there's
any
late
breaking
news
today.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
something
that
makes
the
news
today
he's
shaking
his
head,
and
then
we
will
talk
with
the
frank
strogari
from
ohio
a
little
bit
about
the
census
delays
and
what
does
it
mean
for
redistricting,
and
then
we
have
speakers
from
four
different
states
lined
up
to
share
with
you
what
those
states
are
doing,
and
I
know
that
there
are
more
ways
to
skim
this
cap
than
just
those
four.
A
So
if
you
all
have
some
plans
or
thoughts
about
plans
in
your
state,
I
absolutely
want
to
hear
them.
If
you
want
to
raise
your
hand
now
saying
you
want
to
talk
about
your
estate,
let
me
know
that
would
be
great.
We'll
obviously
give
you
the
chance
afterwards
after
we
hear
from
the
four
people
who
are
going
to
share
their
state
plans
with
us.
So
with
that
susan,
please
tell
us
about
hr1.
What
is
it?
Why
should
we
care.
C
Thank
you
wendy
and
welcome
everybody
good
morning,
good
afternoon,
so
happy
you
can
join
us
this
afternoon,
as
you
probably
have
all
seen
by
now,
hr
one
which
is
the
for
the
people.
Act
of
2021
has
passed
the
house
of
representatives
and
is
making
its
way
over
to
the
senate.
There
will
be
a
hearing
on
the
senate
side
later
in
the
month.
They
are
on
the
senate
side
they're
going
to
draft
their
own
bill.
C
It's
probably
going
to
look
a
lot,
a
lot
like
hr,
one,
which
is
a
very
broad
and
expansive,
look
at
reforms
having
to
do
with
elections
administration.
There
is
a
massive
chunk
that
deals
with
redistricting,
which
would
be
applicable
for
this
redistricting
cycle.
So
I
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that,
and
with
that
being
the
case,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
conditions
that
are
in
the
bill
that
deal
with
redistricting
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
implemented
at
the
state
level,
given
the
tight
time
frame.
C
If
you
want
to
reach
out
to
me
with
any
questions
or
for
details
about
the
bill,
I'm
available
we've
sent
a
memo
over
to
senate
staff
kind
of
outlining
our
concerns
with
the
redistricting
provisions.
Happy
to
go
through
that
with
you.
C
But
given
our
tight
timeline
today,
I'm
gonna
defer-
and
you
know
just
put
send
me
a
note
or
send
wendy
a
note
happy
to
discuss
that
with
you
further
so
with
that,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
back
over
to
wendy
to
move
on
just
wanted
to
red
flag
that,
for
you
one
other
piece
I
will
add
is
that
I
know
that
the
house
republicans
and
the
senate
republicans
are
working
on
a
counter
proposal
to
hr
one.
C
It
would
look
more
like
the
way
the
help
america
vote
act
is
structured
with
some
broad
requirements,
but
leaving
implementation
of
those
requirements
to
the
states.
A
I
wonder
if
anybody
does
want
to
unmute
themselves
and
ask
anything
about
hr1
before
we
move
on
to
the
main
show
susan,
you
were
the
warm-up
act
today.
I'm
gonna
just
say
some
words
for
about
30
seconds
to
give
people
an
opportunity
if
they
do
want
to
say
something.
It's
fine.
If
you
don't
no
need
to
speak,
okay.
D
In
the
chat
as
well,
okay
and
state
senator
kathleen
taylor
from
oregon.
I
just
was
curious
if
you
could
go
back
to
just
clarifying
a
little
bit
about
implementation
deadlines,
and
I
mean
obviously,
I
saw
the
hr
one,
but
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
in
detail.
Can
you
please
clarify
for
us
what's
being
discussed
regarding
for
redistricting
about
implementation
deadlines?
Please.
C
Well,
there's
requirements
of
establishing
an
independent
commission
and
a
commission
within
the
state
legislative
branch.
There
are
public
hearing
requirements
and
data
accessibility
requirements
that
would
be
applicable
in
this
redistricting
cycle.
Given
the
delay
of
the
data
from
the
bureau
you
know
to
later
in
the
summer
and
into
the
fall,
the
the
implementation
having
this
applied
to
2020.
A
And
that's
a
question
that
was
in
the
chat
box
about
whether
this
was
for
2030
or
2020.
I
believe
susan's
just
shared
with
you
that
having
it
be
applicable
this
decade
is,
is
mighty
hard.
I
think,
then
I
don't
see
other
questions
in
chat,
so
I'm
going
to
move
to
james
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
james.
A
He
is
the
chief
of
the
census,
bureau's,
redistricting
and
voting
rights
data
office
and
he's
held
that
position
for
a
number
of
years
and
he
has
been
at
every
ncsl
convening
in
probably
a
full
decade,
and
we
really
appreciate
that
we
work
very
closely
together
and
he
works
on
behalf
of
the
redistricters.
When
he's
in
the
internal
discussions
at
the
census
bureau
talking
about
whatever
might
be
going
on,
he
speaks
for
for
us
james,
take
it
away
and
feel
free
to
take
the
screen.
If
you
want
to.
E
All
right,
thanks
wendy!
Let
me
get
this
up
here
and.
E
So
I
I
do
want
to
thank
you
and
and
ncsl,
because
I
we've
had
this
great
partnership
and
I
do
feel
like
we've,
been
having
these
conversations
all
along
the
way,
which
really
helps
me
to
understand
the
needs
of
redistricters
so
that
I
can
represent
them
well
inside
the
bureau,
and
it
also
helps
us
make
sure
that
our
registering
data
program
is
being
more
responsive
to
the
states
and
the
state's
needs,
because
that's
really
what
its
purpose
is
for.
E
I
was
just
going
to
start
today.
I've
used
this
slide
several
times,
but
I
think
it's
very
helpful
to
to
remind
folks
that
consensus
does
have
two
major
data
products
that
are
going
to
be
coming
up
for
release
and
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
emphasize
the
the
newest
piece
of
news
about
them.
But
the
first
thing
is
that
the
you
know
the
apportionment
counts
that
come
out.
First
are
state-only
population
numbers,
it's
the
resident
population
and
the
federally
affiliated
account
overseas.
E
It's
the
numbers
as
enumerated
in
the
census,
so
there's
no
there's,
no
disclosure
avoidance
applied
to
it
beyond
the
aggregation
to
the
state
level
and
it's
a
total
population.
Only
number
and
the
census
bureau
is
planning
to
release
those
by
april
30th
2021
the
redistributing
data,
that's
that
granular
data
that
you
all
need
to
be
able
to
do
your
work
with
redistricting.
E
This
has
the
resident
population
only,
but
it
has
the
characteristics
that
you
need:
the
race,
ethnicity
and
some
selected
housing
characteristics.
You
need
to
be
able
to
to
ensure
you're
complying
with
both
the
voting
rights
act
and
your
own
state
statutes
around
those
types
of
criteria.
This
will
have
differential
privacy
applied
this
decade.
That's
the
disclosure
avoidance
technique.
That's
been
adopted
by
the
census
bureau
for
the
2020
census,
specifically,
the
top
down
algorithm
is
the
the
piece
of
the
differential
privacy.
E
So
I
think
the
main
reason
why
wendy
wanted
me
to
kind
of
lead
off
today's
talk
was
the
question
keeps
coming
up
what
what's
going
on
between
now
and
then?
Why
does
it
take
until
then
to
to
create
this
data
for
the
states
to
use
and
to
understand
why
it's
going
to
take
us
to
the
end
of
september?
You
have
to
look
at
the
production
pipeline.
E
E
People
could
submit
by
paper
by
telephone
by
internet,
but
then,
in
addition
to
those
responses,
we
also
take
in
responses
to
other
programs
ones
that
we
conduct
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
that
full
accurate
count
that
people
rely
on.
There's
the
group
quarters
program,
there's
the
enumeration
of
transitory
locations,
there's
non-response
follow-up
and
there
are
others
as
well.
E
Finally,
we
fill
in
missing
count
information
for
households
using
a
statistical
method
called
imputation,
and
that's
all
the
activities
that
it
takes
to
get
us
to
apportionment.
So
that's
that's
getting
us
to
those
state
population
totals
that
we
need
for
calculating
the
or
for
providing
those
apportionment
totals
that
allow
for
the
calculation
of
the
number
of
seats
that
go
to
each
state
in
congress.
E
That
allows
us
to
get
the
detailed
geographic
characteristic
data
that
you
need
for
the
redistricting
file.
The
processing
delays
mean
that
we
have
to
return
to
that
processing
flow
to
ensure
that
each
response
is
not
only
identified
as
the
state
level,
but
all
the
way
down
to
that
individual
census
block
that
I
mentioned.
E
Once
that
work
is
done
and
we
have
the
data
linked
to
our
administrative
records
universe,
we
can
then
pick
back
up
on
what
would
be
considered
our
traditional
response
processing
for
redistricting
data.
At
that
point,
the
next
step
is
ensuring
that
each
and
every
record,
the
entire
census,
has
a
complete
set
of
data
for
the
major
characteristics
and
that
those
characteristics
contain
valid
responses.
E
Missing
data
is
imputed
again
and
invalided
responses
are
edited.
When
I
say
missing
data
I've
seen
that's
somewhat
explanatory.
It
means
that
there
was
not
a
response
to
a
specific
question
on
the
form,
but
an
invalid
response
is
a
situation
like
a
birth
date
being
1970
and
the
age
being
reported
as
five
years
old.
That
has
to
be
resolved,
and
so
that's
a
very
simple
example,
but
this
is
actually
one
of
the
most
complex
parts
of
the
processing
that
takes
place
and
it's
critical.
It's
absolutely
critical
to
the
accuracy
of
those
characteristics.
E
We
check
all
those
data
in
their
tabulated
formats.
Then
we
have
to
create
the
dissemination
materials.
We
have
to
load
our
web-based
systems.
We
have
to
test
the
materials
and
the
systems
to
make
sure
they're,
working
and
they're,
providing
the
data
back
out
to
people
properly
and
that's
when
we
can
finally
deliver
this
data
to
the
states
and
the
public.
E
But
in
keeping
with
the
theme
of
today's
discussion,
though,
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
kind
of
data
is
already
available.
That
states
could
be
using
to
help
in
their
work,
so
the
official
2020
census,
redistricting
geographic
support
products
have
already
been
provided
to
all
states
in
the
country.
We
were
able
to
do
that
by
february,
12
2021.
E
We
started
in
january
22nd
of
2021,
and
that
includes
the
shape
files,
which
are
those
geographic
information
system
files
that
allow
you
to
do
the
computerized
cartography
and
manipulation
that
you
need
to
do
to
create
redistricting
plans,
especially
if
you're
doing
so
at
a
state
level.
E
We
have
pdf
based
maps,
we
have
block
maps
which
show
a
series
of
maps
for
every
county
in
the
country
that
show
enough
detail
that
you
can
identify
every
single
block,
that
is
in
those
counties,
but
then
we
also
have
state
legislative
district
maps
with
voting
districts
on
them.
We
have
tracked
base
maps
and
we
have
school
district
big
snap,
so
we
have
a
whole
slew
of
maps
that
were
produced,
and
these
are
all
pdf
formats.
You
can
print
them
off
on
a
large
format,
printer
or
a
plotter,
and
then
there's
tabular
data.
E
These
are
listings
of
all
the
blocks
within
a
state
for
different
types
of
geographies,
that
you
can
pull
in
to
sort
of
build
a
backend
database
and
have
that
prepared
in
advance
of
the
receipt
of
the
actual
count,
data
I'll,
make
sure
that
christy
and
wendy
get
these
slides
so
that
they
can
distribute
them
back
out,
because
I
put
a
lot
of
links
in
here
to
make
things
easier
for
folks.
E
If
you
need
access
to
those
official,
2020
census,
geographic
products,
the
link
is
right
there.
We
also
have
something
called
prototype:
redistricting
data
from
our
2018
end-to-end
census
test.
We
created
the
geography
and
the
tabulations
that
people
would
need.
Now.
Of
course,
we
already
have
the
official
geography
out,
but
if
you
want
to
see
or
work
with
some
official
or
official
looking
data,
you
can
look
at
the
data
products
that
were
produced
for
that
test,
that
prototype
test.
That
data
has
the
content
and
the
schema
and
format
that
you
will.
E
You
will
receive
when
you
receive
your
2020
data,
so
that's
also
available
on
the
web.
We
also.
This
is
more
specifically
for
those
states
who
have
an
obligation
to
to
move
folks
around
whether
it's
prisoners
or
military
or
students,
if
they
have
to
move
them
and
adjust
their
redistricting
data
prior
to
conducting
their
redistricting.
We
have
a
census,
geocounting
service.
This
is
something
that's
always
available.
It's
accessible
through
the
web.
E
They
can
send
us
that
address
list
through
a
secure
incoming
web
module
that
we
have
we'll
run
it
against
the
same
geocoder,
but
on
the
inside
of
the
census,
bureaus
you're
not
dealing
with
tcpip
issues,
and
we
can
do
that
up
to
50
000
people,
and
so
we
will
do
that
and
return
that
file.
Now
I
say
you
have.
The
state
is
responsible
for
formatting
that
data
so
that
it
can
properly
be
ingested
by
the
geocoder.
E
We
have
to
be
very
careful
here
when
we
developed
this
process.
We
worked
with
our
our
legal
department
to
make
sure
that
these
addresses
didn't
accidentally
become
title
13,
which
would
mean
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
share
them
back.
So
we
we
can't
manipulate
them
for
you,
but
we
can
take
them
in
if
you
put
them
in
the
format.
E
That's
indicated
on
the
the
linked
website
here
at
the
bottom,
and
we
can
run
that
at
a
larger,
a
larger
scale
than
what
you
can
do
if
you're
doing
it
yourself
over
the
web,
and
if
you
have
questions
about
that
because
I
know
this
is
only
some
set
of
states
feel
free
to
just
contact
my
office
and
we
can
walk
you
through.
That
also
want
to
talk
about
other
census
data.
That's
out
there
and
some
of
its
strengths
and
weaknesses.
We
have
the
american
community
survey
one-year
estimates.
E
This
is
a
the
companion
to
the
decennial
census.
This
replaced
the
long
form
and
it's
now
releases
data
new
data
every
year.
So
the
one
year
survey
american
community
survey
one
year.
Estimates
is
very
current
data.
This
was
data
that
was
collected
in
2019,
it's
the
most
current
one,
that's
released,
but
the
limitation
with
that
is.
E
This
goes
all
the
way
down
to
the
block
group,
not
the
block,
but
the
block
group,
which
is
an
accumulation
of
blocks,
but
it's
collected
over
a
series
of
five
years
so
that
we
have
enough
data
to
be
able
to
produce
statistics
at
that
level.
So
this
will
give
you
better
coverage,
but
it
isn't
quite
as
current,
because
it's
averaging
years,
2015
to
2019.,
there's
more
information
about
these
products
as
well
on
the
links
that
I've
provided
right.
There
there's
also
something
called
the
census
population
estimates.
E
This
is
a
estimate
of
population
where
it's
done
through
demographic
change
and
birth
deaths,
migration
and
the
census
bureau
publishes.
This
will
be
publishing
reference
to
2020
new
population
estimates
this
summer
in
may
and
june.
In
may,
it'll
be
more
of
total
population
for
different
geographies
and
then
in
june
it
will
be
for
select
geographies.
E
There
will
be
some
population
with
characteristics
as
well,
so
this
will
give
you
things
like
your
nation
state,
the
commonwealth
of
puerto
rico,
but
it
will
give
you
county
and
city
and
township
data
and
with
the
county
level,
data
you'll
actually
get
characteristic.
City
you'll
only
get
a
total
population
and
I
believe
township.
E
My
office
tries
to
make
this
stuff
very
easy
for
for
you
to
access,
as
you
saw
all
those
links
are
there
and
I'll
make
sure
that
that
goes
out
to
ncsl,
so
they
can
distribute
it.
However,
they
choose,
but
my
office
for
most
of
this
is
very
simple:
census.gov
rdo.
E
The
prototype
data
is
under
this
bottom
link.
You
see
here
registering
data
program
management,
all
those
official
geographic
files
that
I
talked
about
are
all
under
this
decennial
census,
pl94171,
registration,
summary
files
and
then
on
the
left.
You'll
always
see
this
gray
bar,
which
will
have
a
voting
rights
link
in
there
and
that'll.
E
Take
you
to
where
we
also
have
our
section
203
and
our
citizen
voting
age,
population
by
race
and
ethnicity
that
we
produce
every
year
from
the
american
community
survey
and
since
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
on
on
deck
I'll,
just
stop
right
there
I'll
leave
that
up
for
a
second,
but
then
please
feel
free
to
contact
me
if
you
need
any
help
with
any
of
those
things.
A
Thank
you
very
much
james.
I'm
always
struck
by
how
you
and
I
have
a
phone
call
in
advance
and
then
the
thing
that
we
sort
of
hashed
out
that
seemed
pretty
nebulous
comes
into
being.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
looking
at
those
extra
data
sources,
so
I
I've
got
one
question
for
you
and
then
we've
got
at
least
two
from
the
audience
and
the
first
one
is
how
many
people
are
in
your
office.
A
E
Yeah,
so
the
the
peak
of
the
registration
data
office
we're
six
employees
right
now,
we're
we're
down
to
four
and
then
in
the
off
years,
we'll
be
down
to
three.
So
we
do
my
predecessors
always
say
it's
the
best
bang
for
the
buck
at
the
census
bureau,
because
we
we
do
a
lot
with
few
people.
A
D
Yeah
sure
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
I
have
universities
in
my
in
my
district
and
I
guess
what?
What
is
the
process
that
you
reconcile
how
higher
ed
students
are
counted,
particularly
when
you
have
parents
who
submit
for
their
kids
who
have
driver's
license
at
home
and
then
the
university
submits
like
how
do
you?
How
is
that
counted?
Because,
obviously
you
know
it
has
an
impact
in
the
community,
because
the
university
is
there,
but
yet
those
kids
might
be
living
out
of
state.
You
know
the
rest
of
the
year.
E
Well,
so
the
the
census,
residence
rules,
situations
and
criteria
which
describe
all
these
different
living
situations
that
people
could
be
in
one
is
obviously
university
students
and
they
say
that
university
students
should
be
counted
at
the
university.
E
E
So
the
census
bureau
did
it's
not
an
area
where
I'm
an
expert.
I
know
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
I
know
that
we
did
extensive
outreach
to
the
universities
to
get
as
much
information
as
they
were
willing
to
provide
about
off
student
campus
housing.
We
put
in
marketing
campaigns
that
specifically
targeted
college
students
to
let
them
know
that
they
should
be
counted
at
the
university.
E
E
And
so
then
we
can
look
at
that
and
make
sure
that
we
we
pull
them
out
of
the
the
location
in
which
they're
not
supposed
to
be
and
keep
them
in
the
location
where
they're
supposed
to
be
so,
there's
a
lot
of
different
intricate
things
that
go
on
back
there.
But
the
goal
is
to
get
everyone
who's
who's
living
at
the
university
to
be
counted
at
the
university.
A
Indeed,
so
shelley
has
a
question
for
you:
james
will?
The
census
population
estimates
in
the
summer
use
the
top
totals
from
the
2020
census
counts
released
in
april.
You
may
have
just
answered.
E
Yeah
too
sorry,
the
the
population
that
is
the
myths,
do
not
come
from
the
decennial
census.
They
are
an
independent
creation.
I
believe
they
get
sort
of
level
set
as
the
decennial
numbers
come
out
for
each
decade.
But
it's
not
again.
It's
not
another
area,
I'm
an
expert
in,
but
I
do
know
that
they're
they
tend
to
be
highly
accurate,
they're
the
numbers
that
are
often
used
for
funding
formulas
so
that
the
funding
formulas
can
keep
up
with
annual
changes
in
population.
A
Excellent
and
then
I've
here's
your
next
question
and
we're
only
going
to
do
two
more
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
other
parts.
I've
heard
several
people
raise
concerns
with
differential
privacy
in
regards
to
compliance
with
the
vra
and
with
in
regard
to
reassigning
prisoners
in
states
that
seek
to
place
them
in
the
locations
where
they
previously
lived.
Can
you
respond
to
those
concerns?
E
E
The
problem
with
with
a
ridiculous
use
case,
is
you
can't
predefine
the
area,
so
you
have
to
make
this
applicable
to
any
sort
of
assemblage
of
blocks,
so
we're
tuning
that
down
to
around
a
500
person
threshold,
where
we
can
say
that
within
95
percent
certainty
that
those
values
are
are
within
a
five
point
range.
E
I
may
not
be
saying
that
quite
right,
I'm
sure
our
key
scientists
could
say
it
with
a
little
more
scientific
authority,
but
that
that's
around
what
we're
doing
so.
E
The
point
I'm
trying
to
get
across
is
there
is
extensive
work
going
along
right
now,
we're
running
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
experiments
of
different
applications
of
setting
the
privacy
loss
budget
and
how
it
should
be
applied
to
the
different
queries
which
produce
these
different
data
sets
and-
and
we
are
too
sensitive
to
those
concerns-
and
we
are
working
to
make
sure
that
the
data
is
tuned
in
such
a
way
that
you
still
get
the
data
still
protected,
but
you're
getting
data
that
will
allow
you
to
to
use
it
for
those
purposes.
A
Thank
you
and
the
next
and
last
question
before
we
move
on
comes
from
cynthia
dai,
who
most
of
you,
or
some
of
you
might
know,
was
one
of
the
commissioners
in
california
in
the
most
recent
decade,
and
she
also
worked
on
the
front
lines
of
the
census
this
year.
So
she
says
I
was
part
of
the
non-response
follow-up
operation,
which
is
the
door
knocking
for
any
of
you
who
are
following
that
part
and
at
the
end
she
was
told
that
all
what
was
needed
were
the
total
population
with
no
characteristics.
A
E
Yeah
I
I
can't
comment
on
the
guidance
that
she
was
given,
but
I
know
that
when
we,
when
we
have
something
like
a
total
count,
we
use
a
series
of
administrative
records.
They
can
be
from
the
irs.
They
can
be
from
social
security.
We
use
the
past
decennial
census
as
another
source
of
administrative
records,
and
all
of
that
goes
into
that
that
editing
and
imputation
process
that
I
mentioned
during
the
description
of
the
path
that
takes
us
to
to
census.
E
The
one
that
I
was
saying
is
the
most
complex
and
involved
as
they
pull
in
all
of
those
other
resources,
and
they
they
can
look
at
similarities
between
like
households
based
on
the
characteristics
that
are
reported
based
on
geographic
proximity.
A
Great,
thank
you
all
right
and
james.
Indeed,
thank
you
for
making
yourself
available
to
us
today
and
always,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
putting
your
email
in
the
chat
again,
I
hope
you
aren't
being
inundated,
but
you
sort
of
opened
yourself
up
for
that,
because
you
are
a
service
oriented
person.
So
we
very
much
appreciate
it.
A
Frank,
I'm
coming
to
you
in
just
a
moment,
you're
going
to
kind
of
lead
off
with
what
what
is
the
way
that
states
can
respond
to
these
census
delays.
What
why
is
this
a
problem
for
redistricting
that
may
be
difficult
for
the
states
to
manage?
Can
you
take
it
with
just
that
little
bit
of
a
question.
F
Yeah
sure,
thank
you
wendy
for
all
of
you
who
don't
know
me.
My
name
is
french.
Yes,
my
name
is
frank.
Stragari,
I'm,
the
chief
legal
counsel
for
the
ohio
senate,
also
vice
chair
of
the
ncso
redistricting
and
elections
committee.
So
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
with
all
of
you
today
I
was
joking
with
wendy
and
the
gang
earlier
a
little
bit.
F
I
didn't
know
if
I
was
going
to
be
allowed
to
be
in
here,
since
the
state
of
ohio
is
involved
with
an
action,
something
going
on
with
the
census
bureau
right
now,
but
not
only
was
I
allowed
in.
I
was
actually
able
to
go
right
after
james,
so
it's
a
little
iron
call.
It
irony-
I
don't
know
anyway,
so
yeah
so
wendy
had
in
had
asked
me
to
talk
about
the
challenges
that
states
might
be
posed
with.
F
F
We
have
to
figure
out
and
I'll
get
a
little
bit
into
that
in
just
a
bit
and
and
talk
about
some
other
ideas
before
the
the
group
that
is
actually
most
informative
will
be
coming
up
after
me,
which
is
actually
talking
about
specifics
for
what
they're
doing,
I'm
sure
all
of
you
have
probably
gotten
the
emails
and
and
have
probably
looked
at
the
website
already,
but
ncsl
has
got
a
rather
extensive
amount
of
information
about
this
already
online,
which
I
would
obviously
suggest
that
everyone
go
to
it's
got.
F
You
know
the
five
sort
of
best
practices
that
ncsl
at
least
is
recommending.
Is
ideas
on
how
to
address
this
issue
and
namely
they're
they're,
changing
the
law
going
to
court
looking
at
changing
your
deadlines
using
different
type
of
data
or
complementing
your
process
with
a
different
type
of
law.
Now
some
of
those
may
be
helpful.
Some
states,
some
of
those
might
not
be
helpful
at
all,
or
they
might
not
be
practical
at
all.
F
Some
might
have
constitutional
deadlines,
like
ohio,
does
versus
statutory
deadlines
that
can
be
changed
easier
than
a
constitutional
amendment,
or
you
know
they
just
might
have
to
just
supplement.
F
You
know
a
practice
that
their
state
has
in
particular,
but
the
website's
got
some
pretty
informative
information
that
I
would
suggest
all
of
you
go
to
and
then,
of
course,
there's
all
a
rather
large
wealth
of
information
related
to
other
issues
as
well
too,
which
I
always
recommend
so
the
interesting
thing
that
the
way
that
my
head
has
at
least
evolved
in
this
process
over
time
recently
is,
I
think
it's
probably
not
really
surprising-
is
that
this
is
a
bipartisan
problem.
F
This
isn't
a
republican
problem.
This
isn't
a
democrat
problem
in
the
beginning,
some
people
may
have
suggested,
probably
including
myself
to
some
degree
that
it
seemed
to
be
some
level
of
maybe
political
actions
going
on
here,
but,
as
I
thought
about
it
and
talked
about
it
with
people,
it's
affecting
republican
states
just
as
much
as
it's
affecting
democrat
states.
So
it's
a
problem
for
everyone,
and
hopefully
it's
not
a
significant
problem
for
folks,
but
it's
definitely
a
problem
that
we're
all.
F
We
could
all
blame
james
for
serge,
but
there
are
different
ways
to
address
it.
Like
I
said,
there's
ncsl
has
got
some
suggestions
and
you
know
I
think,
ultimately,
we
probably
none
of
us
probably
on
this
call
really
probably
won't
even
see
this
issue
go
to
any
court
whatsoever,
because
you
know
courts,
probably
don't
even
hear
as
well.
They
don't
have
to
deal
with
it.
They
know
how
much
of
an
issue
this
is
as
well
too,
but
you
know
sometimes
that
might
be.
F
The
only
relief
that
might
be
necessary
to
get
in
california
is
one
of
those
examples,
and
I
think
we're
gonna
hear
from
somebody
from
california
later
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
they've
done
and
what
they
might
still
need
to
have
to
do.
F
But
obviously
I
think
everyone
probably
wants
to
avoid
courts
and,
being
a
lawyer
like
myself
like,
I
think,
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
try
to
do
hopefully,
but
in
ohio
in
particular,
we
are
a
state
that
has
a
constitutional
deadline
for
not
only
congressional
but
legislative
redistricting
and,
as
I'm
sure
you
know,
those
of
you
who
have
been
on
these
calls
before
you
probably
heard
me
talk
a
lot
about
ohio
because,
obviously
that's
my
state,
but
we
did
reform
for
both
congressional
legislative
redistricting
in
the
past
10
years.
F
That
I
think
was
pretty
significant
and
in
some
ways
to
maybe
started
the
process
of
other
states.
Doing
that
one
of
the
things
we
did,
though,
of
course
was
constitutionalize
a
deadline
for
redistricting
and
the
issue
that
the
census
delay
is
posing
for
us
right
now
is
our
legislative
maps?
F
Are
the
final
deadline
for
those
is
september?
The
15th,
and
obviously
you
know
if
we're
getting
any
type
of
data,
we're
supposed
to
be
getting
excuse
me
for
from
the
census,
is
coming
september,
the
30th
we
obviously
aren't
going
to
the
data
we're
going
to
need
to
draw
our
our
lines
and
get
everything
and
get
all
the
population
data
that
we
need.
F
So
we
are
having
internal
conversations.
We've
been
having
this
for
a
while,
because
I
think
we
started
saw
the
writing
on
the
wall
to
some
extent,
for
you
know
a
a
good
amount
of
time
now
about
what
to
do.
There
is
a
provision
in
our
constitution
that
allows
us
to
look
at
other
data
if
the
census
bureau,
this
annual
information
is
actually
unavailable.
F
That
language
actually
has
been
in
the
ohio
constitution
for
over
100
years
has
never
been
used
from
what
we've
seen
so
far,
and
so
we
are
in
fertile
new
territory
in
ohio,
as
we
speak
and
are
evaluating
all
of
our
options,
we
there's
no
answer
on
the
table
right
now
for
us
we're
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
different
ideas.
Fortunately,
the
deadline
as
it
relates
to
congressional
redistricting
in
our
constitution
is
november.
F
The
30th
there's
a
series
of
deadlines
before
then
related
to
congressional
redistricting,
but
the
real
true
drop
dead
deadline
in
the
constitution
for
us
is
november
the
30th,
so
it
appears
like.
Hopefully
it
appears
that
we'll
probably
be
fine
with
getting
something
done
and
finalized
for
congressional,
but
legislative
redistricting
is
is
a
significant
problem
for
us
and
I'm
confident
that
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
F
I
think
I'm
pretty
confident
that
we'll
come
up
with
a
bipartisan
solution,
but
it's
going
to
take
it's
going
to
take
some
thought
process
and
that's
why
I
think
even
myself
was
actually
actually
interested
in
hearing
how
some
of
the
other
states
are
handling
it.
F
You
know-
and
I
guess
probably
the
last
thing
is
to
talk
about
in
particular-
is
I
think
the
thing
that
I
led
off
my
joke
with
but
yeah.
So
the
as
you're
sure,
I'm
sure
you
probably
all
have
seen
the
the
attorney
general
in
the
state
of
ohio
on
behalf
of
the
state
of
ohio,
fought
a
lawsuit
in
federal
court.
F
F
We
still
are
not
involved
in
that
lawsuit.
It's
something
that
the
attorney
general
of
course
took
upon
himself.
It's
a
very
novel
question.
We
are
just
as
much
as
eager
to
see
how
this
case
might
get
resolved.
As
probably
all
of
you
are,
you
know
we
do
have
questions.
You
know
we're
not
we're
not
sure
you
know
what
the
remedy
could
be,
what
the
remedy
might
be.
What
the
real
sort
of
resolution
is.
This
could
be
because
the
ultimate
question
comes
down
to.
F
If
we
get
access
to
data,
is
it
accurate
data?
And
if
it's
not,
you
know,
I'm
not
really
sure
that
there's
not
much.
We
could
probably
do
with
data-
that's
not
finalized
and
accurate,
but
you
know
our
attorney
general
is
a
very
experienced
and
very
savvy
lawyer
and
he's
got
a
lot
of
people
on
his
staff
that
are
too
so.
F
You
know
I
I'll
be
curious
to
see
how
that
goes
just
as
much
as
you
are,
and
but
that
yeah
ohio,
of
course,
as
always
breaks
news,
but
that's
the
news
that
we
broke
recently
so
we'll
see
how
that
happens,
but
anyway
yeah.
So
just
to
summarize
ohio,
like
the
upcoming
states.
Here
all
have
a
challenge
in
front
of
it.
There
are
options
on
the
table.
F
We
are
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
best
option
is.
I'm
pretty
confident
that
we'll
we
will,
but
I
think,
having
this
forum
talk
about
the
options
and
hear
what
other
people
are
doing
in
other
states
is
extremely
helpful
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
as
always,
and
thank
you
wendy
for
having
me-
and
I
am
going
to
be
an
attentive
audience.
Member
from
here
on
so.
A
Thank
you
very
much
frank
one
thing
you
point
out
to
me
with
your
comments
about
the
aeg.
Is
that
not
all
there's
nothing?
That's
the
state
of
ohio
did
such
and
such
it's
some
entity
within
the
state
of
ohio
and
such
and
such
and
those
entities
may
even
have
the
same
party
label,
but
that
does
not
mean
they
all
speak
with
one
voice.
A
So,
thanks
for
bringing
that
reminder
to
us,
I
I
do
have
to
say
that
at
the
beginning
of
what
you
were
talking
about,
you
said
that
nc
zelda
has
put
out
best
practices
and
my
little
heart
went.
Oh
no,
because
if
my
boss
were
on
the
line,
I
would
be
in
deep
trouble
if
she
thought
I
was
peddling
best
practices.
A
What
we've
tried
to
do
is
gather
whatever
we
could
find
from
the
states
on
how
they
are
handling
this,
and
so
we're
sharing
what
we're
hearing
more
so
than
sharing
ideas
about
how
states
should
do
it.
So
just
want
to
be
clear.
So
in
case
my
boss
listens
to
this
after
the
fact.
She'll
know
that
I'm
not
telling
states
how
to
do
state
business.
A
Okay,
we
do
have
four
more
speakers
lined
up
from
four
different
states,
each
that
has
chosen
a
different
approach.
We're
going
to
start
with
robin,
oh
dear
johansson
is,
I
think,
how
it's
pronounced.
She
has
a
partner
with
olson
rancho
and
I've
probably
messed
that
up
as
well.
She'll
help
us
get
that
cleaned
up
she's
from
california,
and
she
was
the
attorney
who
handled
the
california
request
to
the
state
supreme
court
to
give
relief
in
advance
on
the
deadlines
they
have
robin.
B
It
was
a
great
introduction,
wendy
thank
you.
We
have
represented
the
california
legislature
for
many
years
on
redistricting.
As
many
of
you
know,
california
now
has
an
independent,
redistricting
commission
that
did
the
redistricting
in
2010.
For
the
first
time.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
commissioner
dye
for
being
on
the
program.
B
It's
great
to
have
you
here,
so
the
legislature
is
no
longer
in
charge
of
redistricting,
but
we
do
have
a
very
important
role
under
the
initiative
that
set
up
our
independent
redistricting
commission
and
that
is
to
provide
the
database
and
with
the
problems
with
the
census,
as
you
can
imagine,
that
has
made
it
difficult
for
california
and
for
the
legislature.
B
So
what
we
did
very
early
on
back
in
july
was
to
realize
that,
with
the
delay
in
the
census
that
was
supposed
to
be
just
until
july,
until
the
end
of
july,
our
redistricting
commission
had
a
constitutional
deadline
of
august
15th
and
it
could
no
not
even
possibly
meet
that
deadline
so
that
it
also
had
early
july
deadlines
that
are
in
the
statute
for
release
of
draft
maps,
and
we
realized
again
that
that
was
not
going
to
work.
B
B
There
just
wasn't
another
possibility
and
we
felt
it
was
important
to
do
it
last
year,
a
full
year
in
advance
or
even
more
because
of
the
need,
if
we
were
going
to
have
to
get
a
constitutional
amendment
on
the
ballot.
We'd
have
to
do
it
in
november
of
2020.,
so
we
kind
of
did
a
hail
mary
pass
and
as
the
california
supreme
court
to
issue
a
ruling
which
they
did
giving
us
a
a
four-month
extension
of
time,
and
it
was
interesting
to
set
up
the
lawsuit
again.
B
You
know
going
directly
to
the
california
supreme
court
is
no
easy
task.
They
take
very
few
cases.
They,
of
course,
don't
particularly
like
to
have
things
filed
directly
with
them
and
in
addition,
we
weren't
sure
about
how
we
were
going
to
have
a
case
of
controversy,
because
we
weren't
sure
you
know
who
who
might
oppose
it
as
it
turned
out.
B
Nobody
did,
but
we
sued,
the
secretary
of
state
in
his
official
capacity,
asked
for
an
order
that
he
would
accept
the
dead,
the
the
districting,
the
maps,
the
final
maps
after
the
august
15th
deadline,
and
at
that
point
the
new
commission
had
not
yet
been
seated.
So,
while
the
older,
the
previous
commission,
remained
in
place,
we
thought
it
would
be
difficult
for
them
and
wanted
to
let
them
decide
whether
they
wanted
to
participate
or
not
as
it
was.
B
There
really
was
no
opposition
and
we
had
one
amicus
brief
that
was
filed
asking
for
a
slightly
different
remedy,
but
as
it
was,
the
supreme
court
issued
its
ruling
on
july
17th,
I
think
we
had
filed.
Why
did
I
have
that
down?
We
had
filed,
I
think,
on
july
1..
So
within
about
a
little
over
two
weeks,
we
were
able
to
get
that
kind
of
ruling.
B
The
ruling
was
to
give
the
commission
another
four
months
until
december
15th,
because
that
was
going
to
be
the
delay
or
longer,
depending
on
you
know
how
long
the
delay
extended,
if,
if
that
was
necessary,
and
so
that's
what
we're
up
against
now
and
I
cannot
speak
for
the
commission.
Of
course,
they
I'm
sure
are
looking
at
all
kinds
of
other
remedies
if
they
can.
I
think
the
best
I
can
say
at
this
point
is
that
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
like
looking
under
the
cushions
for
loose
change.
B
You
know
everyone
is
trying
to
find
a
few
days
here.
A
few
days.
You
know
there
in
the
election
calendar
and
figuring
out
best
ways
that
we
could
perhaps
shorten
the
time
period,
for
example,
of
getting
the
database
pulled
together,
for
example,
of
the
various
filing
deadlines
and
things
like
that.
But
at
this
point
there,
just
as
frank
said,
there
hasn't
been
any
resolution
so
wendy
with
that.
You
know
I'm
happy
to
take
questions,
but
I
can
say
I
guess.
B
A
Okay,
that's
december
15th
is
I
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
do
that,
because
the
local
election
officials
have
to
take
that
data
and
make
sure
that
the
voters
are
assigned
to
the
right
precincts.
Maybe
they
even
have
to
create
some
new
precincts.
So
are
the
local
election
officials
talking
to
you
in
california,
about
everybody
gonna
do
their
job
everything.
B
Everyone
is
talking,
wendy
and,
and
the
other
thing
of
course,
that
it's
not
just
the
local
election
officials,
but
it's
the
local
jurisdictions,
our
cities
and
our
counties
all
have
to
redistrict
as
well.
So
we're
hearing
from
everybody
and
a
lot
of
these
cities
or
counties
have
charters
that
give
them
deadlines
and
they're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
handle
those.
A
So
this
is
like
taking
the
water
that
comes
off
the
continental
divide
and
it
runs
down
to
the
platte
river
and
onto
the
mississippi
and
then
down
outward
there's,
always
somebody
down
river
on
this
issue.
We.
A
Question
from
jerry
berry
doesn't
a
four
or
six
month
extension
play
havoc
with
your
2022
election
calendar
you're
sort
of
talking
about
that.
Is
there
any
conversation
about
changing
when
the
primary
would
be
or
what
the
candidate
filing
deadlines
would
be.
B
Well,
those
issues
are
definitely
being
looked
at
and
I
just
you
know
I
can't
speak
to
you
know
where
I'll
go
where
it
will
end
up.
But
you
know
every
every
possible
remedy
is,
is
I'm
sure
being
discussed
by
someone.
A
Right,
I
so
much
appreciate
robin
that
you
came
on
board
for
us
and
I
hope
you'll
stay
with
us,
jason,
I'm
coming
to
you.
Next
we
have
jason
hancock
from
idaho.
He
is
the
deputy
secretary
of
state
and
also
the
state
election
director
and
I
believe,
you've
had
a
role
at
the
legislature
too.
Would
you
answer
that
and
then
tell
us
what
the
idaho
approach
to
the
delays
will
be.
G
Thank
you
very
much.
You
bet
yeah,
so
my
my
background
is
I've
worked
for
two
different
non-partisan
legislative
staffs
in
two
different
states
was
a
budget
and
policy
analyst
for
legislative
services
office
here
in
idaho
for
a
number
of
years
then
went
to
the
department
of
education
as
the
deputy
chief
over
there.
While
I
was
there,
I
actually
staffed
half
of
the
redistricting
commission
in
2011.
G
We
have
a
commission
here
in
idaho
and
then
the
last
six
years
I
was
in
south
dakota
as
the
legislative
research
council
director,
so
nonpartisan
staff
in
south
dakota
and
just
came
back
to
idaho
last
april.
So
you
know
having
had
some
some
background
with
this
in
2011
and
now
being
in
the
secretary
of
state's
office
over
the
elections
area.
You
know
we
have
some
formal
involvement
in
this
process,
but
not
necessarily
historically,
a
very
substantive
involvement
in
this
process.
G
The
redistricting
commission
that
we
have
here
is
a
bipartisan
commission.
It's
a
six-member
commission,
it's
appointed
by
the
speaker
of
the
house,
the
pro
tem
of
the
senate,
the
two
minority
leaders
and
the
two
state
party
chairs.
So
it's
three
to
three,
and
so
you
know
they
have
90
days
to
do
their
work
once
they
get
formed.
G
Normally
they
would
do
that
over
the
summer,
but
obviously,
with
these
delays,
it's
not
going
to
be
able
to
start
till
fall
which
gets
us
into
some
pretty
tight
time
frames,
especially
since
there
is
always
a
lawsuit
over
the
plan,
and
so
you
kind
of
have
to
build
in
some
time.
For
that
too.
So
you
know
we.
We
had
some
discussions
with
the
census
and
they
were
good
enough
to
say
that
they
were
going
to
be
able
to
provide
the
the
census
population
estimates
from
2020
to
us.
G
It
sounds
like
normally
they
they
like
to
have
that
come
out
kind
of
simultaneous
with
the
actual
census,
because
there's
some,
maybe
some
cross-pollination
that
goes
on
there,
but
they're
going
to
go
ahead
and
push
that
out
at
the
beginning
of
may
so
that
we
will
know
the
census
estimates
at
least
of
what
the
county
population
numbers
are
for
each
of
our
counties
from
july
of
2020
and
that's
important,
because
idaho
is
one
of
those
states
that
has
a
really
strong
provision.
G
In
its
state
constitution,
saying
that
when
you
do
redistricting,
you
cannot
divide
any
more
counties
than
you
have
to
in
order
to
make
a
map
work,
and
so
it
really
puts
us
in
a
position
where
you
know,
there's
only
going
to
be
a
certain
number
of
different
ways.
You
can
put
that
puzzle
together
and
minimize
the
number
of
counties
that
get
split.
G
But
what
we've
kind
of
taken
the
initiative
of
doing
here
with
the
secretary
of
state's
office
is
we've
spoken
with
each
of
those
appointing
authorities,
and
once
we
get
those
county
estimates
in
may
you
know
I'll
get
to
work
on
figuring
out
what
are
all
of
the
possible
iterations
of
how
you
can
kind
of
put
those
county
puzzle
pieces
together
in
a
way
that
gets
you
to
the
minimum
number
of
counties
being
split,
and
my
experience
with
the
redistricting
commission
from
from
2011
was
that
you
know
that
ends
up
being
about
half
of
the
argument
with
that
group
is
kind
of
how
to
put
those
puzzle
pieces
together
and
then
the
other
half
is
just
how
you
split
up
the
counties
that
you
have
to
split,
and
so
you
know
our
idea
here
is
that
you
know
once
once.
G
We
figured
out
all
the
different
iterations
of
how
you
can
put
the
counties
together
and
which
counties
have
to
be
split,
that
we
will
take
those
different
iterations
of
maps
to
the
six
appointing
authorities
and
then
the
six
of
them
can
start
to
talk
about.
You
know
what's
acceptable
and
what's
not
and
they
can
do
whatever
it
is
that
they
do
as
far
as
horse
trading
goes
because
you
know.
Presumably,
if
that
group
of
six
appointing
authorities
can
come
together
and
and
agree
on
how
to
put
the
different
counties
together,
then
you
know.
G
Presumably
their
six
appointees
will
also
be
agreeable
with
that
plan,
and
then
they
can
just
move
straight
on
to
the
work
of
figuring
out
how
to
divide
the
counties
that
need
to
be
divided,
because
we
won't
be
able
to
do
that
work
until
we
get
the
actual
census
data
at
the
end
of
september.
A
You
have
made
that
point
not
once
but
twice
that
you
can
expect
to
have
lawsuits.
So
I
think
that's
true
in
idaho
and
it's
true
in
almost
all
the
other
states.
So
thanks
for
that,
so
what
we've
got
now
is
california
went
to
the
supreme
court
in
their
own
state
and
asked
for
relief,
and
they
still
have
a
tough
timeline
in
idaho
they're,
going
to
use
some
data,
that's
less
precise
than
the
actual
decennial
census
try
to
get
it
as
close
as
they
can
and
then
take
another
shot
at
it
afterwards.
A
Thank
you,
jeff.
I'm
going
to
call
on
you
next
from
new
york.
Jeff
wears
many
hats.
The
hat
I
want
to
offer
for
him
or
highlight
today
is
that
he
is
with
frank
co-chairs
of
our
redistricting
election
standing
committee
here
at
ncsl.
We
were
expecting
assembly
member
rodriguez
to
be
with
us
today,
but
he
was
not
able
to
join
us.
Jeff
come
on
board
and
tell
us
the
new
york
approach
to
this.
A
H
I'm
here
I'm
mute,
I'm
sorry,
okay,
I
do
bring
regrets
from
assemblyman
robert
rodriguez,
who
had
planned
to
be
here,
but
the
new
york
legislature
is
in
session
this
afternoon
I'll
try
to
since
we're
running
short
on
time,
I'll
try
to
cover
20
minutes
in
a
fast
new
york
minute
or
two
last
year
in
new
york
we
reviewed
the
census
delivery
situation
caused
by
the
pandemic,
delay
and
evaluated
it
as
it
affected
new
york's
new
redistricting
process
up
until
2012,
the
state
legislature
enacted
redistricting
plans
through
basic
changes
in
state
law,
subject
to
the
governor's
approval.
H
But
in
2014
new
york
voters
approved
a
constitutional
amendment
that
created
an
independent
commission
tasked
to
draw
and
recommend
congressional
and
state
legislative
maps
that
the
legislature
could
then
approve
being
subject
to
the
governor's
approval
and
the
new
commission
permitted
the
permits.
The
commission,
I'm
sorry.
The
new
constitutional
amendment
permits
the
commission
to
develop
up
to
two
separate
sets
of
plans
that
the
legislature
can
consider
before
the
legislature
takes
over
the
process
on
its
own.
If
that
becomes
necessary.
H
So
the
pandemic-related
delay
is
condensing
the
commission's
ability
to
work
with
census
data
from
nine
months
down
to
basically
three
months
and
that
recognizing
the
commission
will
have
less
time
to
do
its
work
than
the
state
constitution
envisioned
when
it
was
approved
in
2014.
The
new
york
voters
will
consider
a
constitutional
amendment
this
november.
H
That
would
change
the
dates
essentially
locking
in
a
final
january,
1
2022
deadline
for
the
commission
to
submit
its
first
set
of
plans
to
the
legislature,
eliminating
a
current
grace
period
until
january
15th,
and
that
if
the
legislature
rejects
or
the
governor
vetoes,
the
commission's
first
set
of
plans,
the
legislature
or
the
commission
rather
has
until
january
15th
of
next
year
to
submit
a
second
set
of
plans.
Under
current
law.
The
the
commission
was
given
until
february
28th.
H
This
proposed
amendment
was
approved
by
the
legislature
last
year
and
then
again
in
the
new
legislature
in
january.
So
it
will
be
before
the
voters
this
coming
november.
H
H
So
with
the
shortened
period
for
redistricting
and
the
earlier
primary,
then
taking
into
consideration
the
two
or
three
weeks
probably
necessary
for
boards
of
elections
to
implement
the
plan,
it
will
be
for
many
of
us
a
very
busy
and
fast
october
through
january
period.
So
thank
you
and
good
luck
as
we
face
the
challenges
of
data
and
deadlines.
A
Jeff
that
was
remarkable.
Thank
you
very
much
for
sharing
that
with
us.
It
strikes
me
that
in
new
new
york
you're
starting
to
move
this
over
into
2022.
yeah,
that's
is
that
right.
H
Well,
redistricting
new
york
was
a
pre-clearance
state
under
section
five,
so
usually
new
york
adopted
a
plan
in
the
january
to
march
period,
usually
by
march,
and
then
two
months
for
doj
review.
So
we
had
to
have
a
plan
in
place
by
essentially
may
june
at
the
latest
so
that
what
was
then
a
fall
primary
you
know
petitioning
could
begin,
but
now
that
the
primary
is
in
june
petitioning
begins
in
late
february,
meaning
that
the
final
congressional
and
state
plans
need
to
be
enacted
signed
by
the
governor
by
late
january.
H
Everything
is
being
sped
up
because
the
commission
should
have
had
from
april
until
december
to
do
its
job
actually
april
until
february,
under
the
original
constitution,
but
with
the
primary
change
and
with
the
pandemic
delays
and
with
the
the
state
constitutional
amendment
addresses
the
best
most
practical
way
to
deal
with
everything,
however,
on
a
very,
very
tight
time
frame,
because
if
the
commission's
plans
are
rejected
by
the
legislature,
the
way
things
work
in
most
states,
you
just
can't
put
a
bill
in
you
vote
one
day.
H
No
have
a
new
plan
from
the
commission
the
next
day.
You
know
it's
a
very
tight
january
because
you
need
two
three
days
for
bills
to
lay
over
before
before
you
can
vote
on
them.
So
I've
been
looking
at
the
different
time
frames
and
it'll
be
very
tight,
hopefully
doable.
A
Well-
and
I
did
save
representative
kevin
bratcher
from
kentucky
for
our
last
speaker,
because
I
think
he
might
bring
calm
to
the
conversation
I'm
under
the.
A
That
kentucky's
deadlines
are
already
in
2020
too,
so
it's
all
about
the
timelines
representative
bratcher
are
you
there
and
can
you
share
how
you're
going
to
handle
it?
They're
bringing
calm
to
the
picture.
I
Great
well
you're,
always
so
gracious
and
a
great
host,
and
I
love
working
with
you.
You
know
to
just
to
jump
forward
a
moment
our
we
had
a
county
law,
a
statute
that
is
hardwired
to
december
31st
on
census
operations,
and
in
this
morning,
in
the
general
assembly,
we
we
we
passed
the
law
to
change
that
to
have
it
the
will
start
on
a
certain
time
date
after
we
receive
the
census
information.
So
other
than
that
you
know
we,
we
always
have
issues.
I
We
don't
have
big
issues
in
kentucky
because
we
are
not
in
session
from
april
until
january
of
the
next
year,
and
even
when,
even
if
the
census
data
was
on
time,
it
would
be
april
when
kentucky
gets
it,
and
we
don't
have
time
to
the
oath
the
o2
year
so
you're
right,
it
is
normal.
It's
just.
I
Instead
of
getting
the
information
in
april,
we'll
be
getting
it
in
september
and
I'll
make
our
maps
and
do
a
normal
operation
on
the
o2
year,
usually
the
first
two
weeks
now
we
do
have
a
filing
early
filing
deadline
and
it's
the
first
week
of
january.
So
we
do
have
a
bill
in
in
the
works
now
before
our
session
ends
in
a
couple
of
weeks
to
move
the
filing
deadline
back
to
the
end
of
january,
because
the
courts
would
step
in
if
we
don't
give
them.
I
If
we
don't
give
enough
time
for
a
filing
deadline.
Now,
sometimes
during
during
the
years,
the
governor
would
call
a
special
session
like
in
november
or
december,
and
let
us
clear
out
a
map
before
the
session
starts
in
the
02
year,
late
0-1,
we
would
have
a
special
session,
but
we
just
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
happen
at
this
time,
but.
I
We
have
a
rural
versus
urban
issue,
the
urban
issues
are
growing
and
the
the
rural
areas
are
obviously
shrinking
in
population,
and
so
you
know
if,
if
a
a
state,
rep
or
senator
has
been
out
in
the
rural
areas
for
a
while,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
their
their
districts
are
going
to
shrink
so
other
than
that
it's
pretty
much
normal
operations
just
a
few
months
delay-
and
I
hope
that
brings
the
calm
that
you're
looking
for
it.
We
we
have
things
squared
away,
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure
so.
A
Well,
what
I'm
I'm
liking
there,
but
well
I'll
respond
to
you
in
just
a
moment,
but
I
do
want
to
say
if
anyone
in
the
audience
would
like
to
share.
What's
going
on
in
their
state,
put
your
hand
up
and
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
But
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
is
that
it's
normal,
but
you've
already
got
one
new
law
that
you've
introduced
because
of
it
for
the
counties
and
another
new
law
coming
about
the
candidate
filing
deadlines.
A
I
Yeah
we're
lucky
that
we
don't
have.
I
guess
we're
lucky
depends
on
how
you
look
at
it.
We
don't
have
constitutional
deadlines,
everything
is
statutory
and,
and
we
don't
have
a
commission,
so
it's
it's
all
all
to
be
had
in
from
september
to
january.
We
should
wrap
this
thing
up
now.
That
might
be
famous
last
words
who
knows,
but
we're
wanting
to
be
open
and
follow.
All
the
rules
and
the
supreme
court
gives
us
kentucky
supreme
court,
gives
us
guidelines
we're
definitely
going
to
follow.
I
A
Oh,
that's
super
great,
and
could
you
just
tell
us
when
your
primary
is.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
some
of
the
primaries,
the
folks
who
primaries
in
march
are
probably
in
a
little
more
trouble
than
those
who
are
may
june
and
beyond.
Thank
you
very
much
for
sharing
that
and
I'm
assuming.
I
A
A
I
mean
we've
been
having
them
every
month
for
quite
some
time
now,
and
james
keeps
coming
back,
which
we
so
very
much
appreciate,
and-
and
I
don't
know
what
a
month
without
him
would
look
like
so
I'm
kind
of
inclined
to
do
it,
but
maybe
it's
not
important.
So
if
you
all
could
just
throw
us
some
ideas
in
the
chat
box
or
get
in
touch
with
us
afterward,
that
would
be
great.
A
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised
so
with
that.
I'm
going
to
say
a
very
big
thank
you
to
all
of
our
participants
today,
starting
with
susan
from
our
dc
office
and
james,
from
the
census
and
frank
from
ohio
and
robin
from
california
and
jason
from
idaho
jeff
from
new
york,
and
then
you
representative,
bratcher
from
kentucky.
Thank
you
all
very
much
and
feel
free
to
be
in
touch.
I
think
you
all
know
how
to
get
us
we're
going
to
keep
going.