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From YouTube: Chiefs of Staff Roundtable
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Legislative management
A
Over
there,
what
are
you
doing
over
here?
What
can
we
learn
from
each
other,
and
certainly
we
want
to
hear
what
decisions
have
been
made
in
your
states
as
as
we
work
through
this
tumultuous
year
and
as
we
start
another
challenging
year,
that
is
hopefully,
hopefully
on
the
way
to
being
much
much
better.
A
So,
thanks
for
coming
thanks
for
being
open
to
sharing
your
ideas
and
hearing
what
other
states
are
doing
as
well,
we
will
record
the
meeting
and
and
that's
only
to
share
with
other
chiefs
of
staff
who
are
unable
to
make
it
today.
So
please
know
that
this
certainly
won't
be
published
anywhere.
It
would
be
only
for
internal
ncsl
use
and
to
share
with
those
other
verified
chiefs
that
are
out
there
in
the
states
who
just
couldn't
fit
it
into
their
schedule
today,
but
are
still
very
curious
about
what's
going
on
in
other
states.
A
So
before
we
get
started,
I
just
we
just
want
to
do
some
very,
very
quick
introductions
here
on
zoom
and
we're
going
to
do
kind
of
a
lightning
round
of
issues
that
are
happening
in
the
states.
So
I'm
going
to
call
on
you-
and
I
just
want
to
say
who
you
are
where
you're
from
you
know:
what
state,
what
chamber
do
you
work
for
and
then
try
to
boil
down
into
one
word,
your
biggest
challenge
that
you're
currently
facing
and
that
could
be
trying
to
end
the
year
for
2020.
A
C
E
Hey
I'm
paulette
avalos
and
I
am
the
chief
of
staff
for
the
washington
state
senate,
democrats
and
yeah.
I
think
we're
about
ready
to
start
session
january
11th
and,
frankly,
we're
all
coming
in
not
very
refreshed
so
because
I
think,
like
all
of
us,
we've
been
working
crazy
hours
since
this
pandemic
started
so
yeah.
F
And
I
apologize
I've
got
a
couple
in
and
around
jake
weisman
from
the
maryland
senate.
For
some
president
bill
ferguson
in
in
one
word,
yeah,
it's
burnout,
I
mean
we
have
staff
working
non-stop
and
have
been
for
the
last
essentially
a
year
and
a
half
you
throw
on
a
broken
ui
system,
which
means
that
they're
hearing
horror
stories
on
a
daily
basis
and
now
a
session
like
noah
yeah.
It's
burnout.
A
G
I'm
jake
butcher,
I'm
the
chief
of
staff
to
the
illinois
senate
president
don
harmon,
and,
like
many
of
you,
I
think
it's
how
to
operate
inauguration
and
the
spring
session
and
mary.
I
went
to
law
school
drake
in
des
moines,
so
my
wife
smiles.
I
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
there
so
yeah
too
good
to
see
you
and
ashley
jenkins
is
with
me
as
well
who's.
The
deputy
chief
of
staff
for
for
this.
H
So
franklin's,
the
chief
of
staff,
I'm
the
incoming
speaker,
elect
from
connecticut
matt
ritter,
his
senior
advisor
so
we're
just
tag
teaming
this
we're
both
kind
of
in
between
meetings.
So
I
think
he's
gonna
hop
on
too
once
his
call
ends,
but
I
think
the
biggest
thing
that
we've
been
working
on
is
the
organizational
structure
going
from
majority
leader
to
speaker
and
trying
to
make
some
structural
changes
while
being
in
a
virtual
world
now
with
the
pandemic.
So
that's
definitely
something
that
we've
been
working
really
hard
to
kind
of
figure
out.
B
Hey
there,
chief
of
staff
for
senate
president
troy
jackson
in
maine
nice
to
be
with
you
all
thanks
for
pulling
this
together.
I
think
our
biggest
challenge
is
figuring
out
how
to
have
public
access
in
our
next
legislative
session,
identifying
ways
to
engage
the
public,
whether
they
have
broadband
access
or
not.
B
I
Hey,
how
are
you,
I
think,
our
biggest
challenges-
I
I
think
most
everybody's
covered
them-
is
access
to
the
public.
Obviously
one
looking
at
the
budget
going
forward
and
what
impacts
we're
gonna
have
getting
into
the
third
and
fourth
quarter
our
fiscal
year
in
the
first
and
second
quarter
of
the
calendar
year,
and
also
keeping
the
members
safe
while.
F
K
Yeah
I
mean
nathan
touched
on,
I
think,
most
of
what
our
challenges
are
here.
I
would
kind
of
add
to
that
and
just
say
that
one
of
the
specific
challenges
we
have
is
not
so
much
voting
on
the
floor
because
we
have
fairly
large
chambers
and
we
can
kind
of
vote
and
we
can
do
longer
votes,
hold
them
open
for
five
minutes
and
have
any
no
votes
coming
into
the
chamber
and
otherwise
record
your
vote
as
a
yes.
K
I
mean
it's
not
unusual
for
us
and
our
smaller
committees
to
have
you
know,
standing
room
only
so
getting
the
actual
work
of
the
committees
done
in
an
environment
that's
safe,
but
that
still
allows
us
to
actually
do
our
productive
work
and
have
the
feedback
and
interchange
that's
an
integral
part
of.
It
is
a
challenge.
A
Thanks
so
much
trey
that
that's
actually
a
great
segue,
but
a
few
of
you
filled
out
the
survey
that
we
sent
out
in
advance
and
a
big
item
that
came
up
on
the
survey
was
this
idea
of
public
access
and
specifically
in
committees?
How
can
you
facilitate
testimony
from
the
public?
How
can
you
interact
with
with
lobbyists
or
organizations
who
want
to
make
their
case?
F
Yeah
so-
and
I
put
the
senate
plan
in
the
sidebar
also,
but
then
you
give
me
some
tips
in
a
minute
also
put
the
house
plan
in
the
sidebar
because
they
are
not
the
same.
Those
similar
in
a
lot
of
in
a
lot
of
ways
and
but
we're
handling
witness
testimony
two
different
ways
so
and
myself,
and
the
chief
staff
of
the
speaker
over
here
keep
mocking
each
other's
plans.
F
F
Sorry
he
is
energetic
today,
so
caleb,
so
for
the
senate,
we're
having
what
we
call
our
424
plan,
so
four
people
can
testify.
Favorably
two
people
can
testify
favorable
with
amendment
two
unfavorably,
which
is
very
different
from
in
the
past
and
you'll
see
it
in
the
plan.
We've
structured
it
to
make
sure
that
the
sponsor
who's
sponsoring
the
bill
gets
most
of
the
safety,
the
favorable
witnesses
and
the
unfavorable.
J
J
F
Both
the
same
is
requiring
people
to
sign
up
online
and
we
already
had
a
online
goal
tracking
system
through
the
website
and
so
they've
been
able
to
incorporate
that
in
witness
sign
up,
and
so
people
can
we'll
be
able
to
go
online,
sign
up
for
oral
or
written
testimony
and
the
position
and
then
they'll
be
notified.
If
they're
selected
to
testify,
I
have
been
pleasantly
surprised
that
we
haven't
gotten
too
much
pushback
from
the
public
from
the
advocates
lobbyists.
F
When
we
rolled
out
our
plan,
we
tried
to
best.
We
could
that
anybody
who
reached
out
to
our
office
saying
hey,
we
have
a
random
thought.
We
took
a
meeting
to
try
to
make
sure
that
you
know
complaints
were
limited.
Although
I
had
a
phone
call
last
week
where
I
had
to
remind
someone
that
alexander
grant
bell
invented
the
telephone
like
140
years
ago,
instead
of
sending
us
a
public
letter,
so
it's
still
a
work
in
progress
in
that
regard.
A
Thanks
so
much
for
sharing
and
thanks
so
much
for
sharing
your
plans
in
the
chat
too
those
it's
always
helpful
to
have
something
in
writing
there.
How
about
anyone
else,
do
you
have
have
you
made
some
decisions
about
allowing
virtual
testimony
and,
and
how
are
you
doing
that?
Do
you
do
you
agree
with
what
jake
said?
Do
you
have
a
virtual
sign
up,
or
are
you
allowing
people
to
come
into
the
capitol.
E
A
E
The
only
thing
that
we
are
doing
just
that
might
be
helpful
to
folks,
because
one
of
the
things
we
were
concerned
about
is
because
the
flip
side
is
that
many
more
people
could
be
engaged
from
home
and
want
to
testify.
And
then,
if
we
also
had
a
very
controversial
bill,
would
we
have
people
from
other
states?
E
A
H
I
think
partially,
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
it'll
be
fully
remote.
For
you
know
some
some
members
might
come
in,
but
for
the
most
part
like
our
building
is
closed,
certain
staff
are
allowed
in,
but
we
are
for
public
hearings,
electronic
signups
and
anybody
can
sign
up
to
testify
and
everyone
has
the
opportunity
to
testify.
So
it
might
mean
a
longer
public
hearing,
but
they
will
have
the
opportunity
to
testify.
A
So
a
question
to
the
whole
group:
how
are
your
committee
chairs
reacting
to
this?
I
mean
some
of
them
obviously
already
started
doing
it
in
2020,
but
for
some
of
you,
your
sessions
may
have
been
curtailed
or
even
over
by
the
time
that
covet
hit
last
year.
So
how
are
some
of
your
committee
chairs
reacting
to
to
this
new
reality
and
are
they
embracing
the
changes
that
you're
making
or
that
you're
enforcing
or
have
you
had
to
do
some
education
with
them
from
the
leadership
side.
A
G
G
G
You
get
a
lot
of
screens
turning
off
and
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
having
a
challenge
paying
attention.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
anybody
else's
members
have
a
hard
time
sitting
still,
but
mine
certainly
do,
and-
and
so
you
know
that
that's
one
caveat
is
you
know
60
to
90
minutes
about
the
limit,
but
all
our
shares
are
trained.
So
we
work
with
our
legislative
information
service.
G
G
The
lack
of
travel,
we're
a
big
state,
of
course,
like
several
view
and
lack
of
travel
is
a
great
thing,
and
so
they
would
much
rather
for
that
than
trying
to
get
to
chicago,
which
most
of
you
are
probably
familiar
with,
or
you
know
down
to
springfield,
which
is
three
hours
south
and
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
state.
So
so
it's
it's
allowed
some
flexibility
and
definitely
more
member
participation.
That's
the
upside!
The
downside
is
limited
number
of
people
who
can
participate
on
a
limited
amount
of
time.
F
We,
ironically,
we're
already
planning
for
a
bill
limitless
session,
so
we
rolled
that
out
during
the
interim
anyways,
but
we're
encouraging
people
to
limit
I've
been
assigning
free
call
bills.
The
last
couple
days
and
I've
seen
no
indication
that
anyone
has
any
interest
in
doing
that,
we're
not
setting
it
by
rule
or
mandating
anything.
So
I
think
we'll
see
the
usual
plethora,
we're
going
to
try
very
hard
to
prioritize,
but
we're
not
expecting
to
see
a
concentration
or
focus
by
legislators.
B
Everyone,
sorry
it's
a
little
late
yeah.
We,
our
caucus,
voted
to
adopt
a
five
bill
limit
per
member
that
doesn't
include
agency
bills
or
governor
bills,
and
we
are
looking
at
if
that
can
be
enforced
chamber
wide
and
if
so,
how
right
now,
but
our
our
caucus
actually
decide
made
a
group
decision
that
they
were
willing
to
do
it.
So
I'm
I
I
was
not
expecting
that,
but
I'm
really
glad
they
did.
A
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
last
year
in
june,
when
our
session
was
wrapping
up
sort
of
in
the
height
of
things,
at
that.
At
that
point,
we
had
very
much
limited
the
activity
on
the
floor
to
bills
that
were
really
coveted
relief,
bills
and
sort
of
agency
bills
that
had
to
get
done
to
meet.
So
you
know
constitutional
requirements
or
federal
funding
like
if
we
were
going
to
lose
federal
funding
and
things
like
that
this
year.
C
A
And
how
are
you
go?
How
are
you
all
managing
expectations
around
that
I
mean
I
you've
talked
a
little
bit
about
how
how
you're
managing
member
expectations
by
you
know
doing
it
as
a
vote,
but
like
what
about
interest
groups
or
lobbyist
expectations,
who
probably
still
feel
like
they
have
some
of
that
pent
up
demand
or
energy
from
last
session
too,
and
their
issues
might
just
not
make
it
to
the
table
this
year.
G
Yeah
I
mean
I,
you
know
we're
dealing
with
it
because
of
the
you
know,
we're
in
a
new
general
assembly,
so
we're
turning
over
for
our
for
our
102
general
assembly.
Actually,
I
think
I'm
counting
right,
and
so
you
know
I
mean
it's
important
for
people
to
be
able
to
get
in
the
building
and
use
the
bill
drafting
agency
and
get
their
bills
filed.
I
mean
we're
really
looking
at
a
a
two-year
backlog.
G
We
have
an
annual
spring
session
and
so
obviously
that
really
didn't
move
forward.
We
had
a
short
session
in
may,
and
so
I
think
it
is
important
to
open
the
building
to
the
extent
we
can
to
make
sure
that
people
can
get
stuff
drafted
and
filed
and
how
much
of
it
actually
moves
through
the
process,
of
course,
just
as
an
annual
review,
but
I
mean
we're
actually
very
cognizant
of
that.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
important
for
public
participation
as
well,
not
just
the
lobbyists
yeah.
A
I
appreciate
that
several
of
you
had
mentioned
in
in
our
introductory
comments,
as
well
as
in
the
survey.
This
idea
of
managing
staff
and
managing
burnout
and
staff
have
been
working,
a
a
very
different
schedule
in
2020,
and
it
looks
like
it'll
be
different,
even
into
2021,
whether
that's
at
home
or
in
the
capital
or
wherever
it
might
be.
So
why
don't
we
jump
jump
into
a
little
bit
of
that
megan?
Can
you
just
queue
up
that
quick
poll
that
we
have
about
how
staff
will
be.
A
A
A
H
Kimmy
yeah,
so
one
of
the
things
that
our
legislative
aides
are,
we
call
them
constituent
engagement
coordinators,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
with
them
is
they
have
pod
meetings
there
we're
groups
of
them.
I
think
it's
like
groups
of
eight
will
meet
with
the
chiefs
of
staff,
the
hr
director
and,
and
they
will
kind
of
go
in
their
supervisor
to
kind
of
talk
about
how
things
are
going.
H
And
then
it's
like
a
good
opportunity
for
for
staff
to
see
like
what
we
need
to
fix,
and
you
know
if
people
are
feeling
like
they're
burnt
out
like
they'll
they'll,
most
likely
say
it
in
those
meetings.
So
I
think
those
are
doing
those
like
weekly
check-ins
to
see
how
our
staff
doing
what
are
the
main
issues.
Is
everyone
having
the
same
issue
with
dol?
Is
everyone
having
the
same
problem?
A
D
A
C
There's
definitely
a
burnout
factor
happening,
especially
at
the
senior
staff
level.
It
just
a
lot
of
things
fell
to
our
shoulders.
Our
legislative
aides
really
became
like
frontline
workers
for
the
unemployment
insurance.
Like
offices
handling,
you
know
hundreds
or
you
know
of
requests,
so
I
can
definitely
sense
that
it's
there
we
are
challenged.
Our
capital
building
is
extremely
small.
C
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
to
afford
staff
to
come
in
on
a
regular
basis.
So
we
have
like
talked
about
some
sort
of
like
shift
work
for
the
session
time,
but
we
won't
be
able
to
bring
everyone
back
into
the
building
anytime
soon
we
just
don't
have
the
space.
So
it's
a
major
concern.
I've
encouraged
people
to
take
more
time
off
during
the
december.
You
know,
month
and
november,
just
leading
up
to
the
session
starting.
C
A
lot
of
people
had
not
used
any
time
off,
basically
from
march
on,
so
I
just
really
had
leaned
on
our
senior
staff
to
take
some
time
away
just
to
to
try
and
get
away
from
it.
It
is
really
hard
when
you're
at
home
and
the
computer's
right
there
and
it's
like
constantly
dinging
with
like
another
email
and
another
email
coming
through.
So
I
know
it's
been
hard
on
everybody.
A
J
J
Others
it's
too
early
to
tell
megan.
If
you
can
go
ahead
and
put
up
a
poll,
we
have
another
poll
for
you,
I'm
just
asking
kind
of
getting
a
lay
of
the
land.
What's
the
fiscal
situation
in
your
state
and
are
you
okay
at
this
point?
May
you,
your
state,
might
experience
a
revenue
shortfall
or
well.
Are
you
projecting
one
as
well
and
so
just
kind
of
looking,
we've
got
a
little
bit
more
than
half
voting.
J
So,
as
you
can
see,
I
think
it's
you
know
this
small
small
group,
one
one
person
said
right
now:
the
state
is
okay,
three
people,
as
you
can
see,
experiencing
a
revenue
shortfall
or
may
experience
one,
and
then
four
of
you
said
projecting
a
revenue
shortfall.
So
we
thought
we'd
take
this
moment.
While
we
have
everybody
together
and
kind
of
pivot,
away
from
the
operational
side,
just
to
talk
about
the
budget
and
the
economy
and
just
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
how
your
state
is
talking
or
thinking
about.
J
Maybe
those
that
had
responded
as
projecting
a
revenue
shortfall
or
there
may
be
a
shortfall.
What
your
state
is
thinking
about
and
might
be
doing
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
scanning
the
crowd.
Nathan.
I
think
that
that's
something
you
had
mentioned
is
just
about
the
economy.
If
I
recall
correctly
at
the
very
beginning,
so
go
ahead
and
share
some
of
the
things
mississippi
is
thinking
about.
I
Right
now
we,
our
latest
revenue
projections
just
came
out
and,
as
november
concluded
with
276
million
dollars
over
our
revenue
estimate.
Now
I
think
it's
a
farce
to
believe
that
we're
not
gonna
have
some
revenue
shortfall
in
the
third
and
fourth
quarter,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
especially
when
some
of
all
the
federal
benefits
go
away
and
have
gone
away.
We've
seen
some
of
that
debt
down
and
typically
mississippi
for
our
sales
tax
collections
december
is
a
big
month.
I
Obviously,
for
christmas
sales,
christmas
gifts,
all
the
other,
etcetera
and
use
tax
collections
are
up,
but
we
typically
have
a
downfall
in
january
february
march,
just
standard,
so
I'm
interested
to
see
how
the
the
with
what
is
the
impact
of
that,
for
example,
last
year
we
lost
250
million
dollars
in
one
month,
which
was
last
april.
I'm
sure
everybody
on
the
call
probably
experienced
something
similar
to
that.
So
we're
waiting
to
see
we
just
concluded
with
our
joint
legislative
budget
hearings
last
week
and
adopted
an
estimate.
I
We
did
include
some
one-time
money
in
some
of
our
state
agency
appropriations
last
year,
so
we'll
try
to
make
that
up
with
not
spending
one
time
money
on
recurring
expenses,
but
for
the
joint
legislative
budget
hearing
and
air
all
the
agencies
estimates.
It
looks
like
it's
about
a
two
two
to
two
and
a
half
percent
reduction.
J
Thank
you
thanks
for
sharing
that
and
I'm
gonna
actually
turn
it
to
rona
from
hawaii.
I
know
that
hawaii
is
a
very
tourist
dependent
state
and
I'm
given
welcome
first
we're
happy
to
have
you
and
given
kind
of
with
in
the
travel
restrictions.
If
you
want
to
share
a
little
bit
about,
hawaii
is
facing,
and
also
some
things
that
the
members
might
be
considering
and
what
your
what
the
membership
is
thinking
about,
as
they
approached
the
2021
session
related
to
this
topic
and
making
some
decisions.
J
L
L
Our
members
don't
agree
with
that
as
their
approach,
so
we'll
see
the
budget
from
the
governors
due
to
us
on
the
21st
of
december
and
so
we'll
see
if
we
can
continue
to
offer
alternatives
to
help
solve
some
of
our
financial
problems.
It's
hard
to
predict,
since
tourism
is
not
likely
to
return
in
the
near
term.
We've
done
some
things
to
try
to
get
visitors
in,
but
it's
not
nearly
at
the
level
at
which
it
was
before.
J
L
Grant
that
one
of
our
agencies
is
doing
to
try
to
get
remote
workers
to
come
and
live
here
rather
than
doing
work
from
anywhere
else,
but
it's
very
small,
so
we'll
see
we'll
see
what
happens.
People
are
have
been
moving
here
because
we,
our
covered
numbers,
are
relative,
are
very
low.
They
are
among
the
lowest
in
the
country,
so
I
think
it
is
an
attractive.
D
Well,
we
were
very
conservative
in
our
budgeting
over
the
past
three
fiscal
years,
so
we're
in
a
really
good
shape
with
our
budget.
We
closed
the
previous
fiscal
year
with
a
300
million
dollar
surplus,
but
we're
all
waiting
to
see
what
the
kovid
shutdown
actually
did
to
income
tax
receipts,
because
we're
really
not
going
to
see
a
lot
of
that
until
we
get
into
the
first
quarter
of
2021,
so
we're
just
being
cautiously
optimistic.
D
J
Thank
you
thanks
for
sharing,
and
I
and
I
wanted
invite
reena
to
share
just
knowing
that
new
mexico's
estate
that
has
dependent
on,
I
think
oil
and
resource
taxes
as
well.
My
knowledge
serves
me
correctly
and
just
kind
of
share
that
perspective
to
what
new
mexico
might
be
facing
or
thinking
about
as
well.
B
Yeah
sure
we're
we're
definitely
in
a
much
better
position
now
than
we
would
have
been
if
we
had
not
had
a
special
session
in
june.
So
we
we
had
a
special
session
cut.
You
know
almost
600
million
out
of
the
budget
and
because
of
that,
and
the
fact
that
you
know
rig
counts,
went
down
and
and
definitely
the
resultant
various
forms
of
revenue
to
the
state
went
down
a
little
bit.
B
They
did
not
go
down
as
much
as
we
expected,
so
we
had
a
nice
combination
of
taking
swift
action
in
june
to
reduce
this
year.
This
fiscal
year's
budget,
as
well
as
very
conservative
revenue,
estimate
that
we
were
going
off
of,
and
so
the
new
estimate
actually
has
us,
plus
300
million,
give
or
take
in
new
money
for
next
fiscal
year
and
we're
going
to
have
to
you
know
we
credited
a
lot
against.
J
C
Just
say
real
quick:
I
think
delaware
has
ironically
fared
okay
right
now.
Through
this,
the
karzak
money
obviously
has
helped
the
state.
We
are
largely
dependent
on
financial
services
in
a
lot
of
ways
now
which
weren't
too
badly
affected
during
the
pan
through
the
pandemic.
At
this
point
but-
and
we
did
conservatively
budget
last
fiscal
year-
this
there
will
be
challenges
ahead.
F
Yeah
when,
when
things
started
this
interim,
it
was
rough,
especially
because
our
comptroller
was
crying
human
gloom
as
he
is
prone
to
do,
but
the
advantage
of
being
maryland
is
we
have
so
much
of
a
federal
workforce
in
our
state
that
we're
a
little
bit
more
recession
or
whatever
proof
in
that
regard,
sorry
traded,
one
for
the
other.
We
are
still
facing
a
significant
deficit,
but
no
more
than
a
a
usual
rough
economy
session.
So
we're
feeling
all
right.
All
things
considered.
A
Thanks
jake,
I
appreciate
your
soundtrack
in
the
background
I
can.
I
can
relate
so
it's
it's
understood.
We
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
guys.
If
anyone
has
a
question
that
they'd
like
to
post
to
the
group,
please
please
feel
free
to
do
so,
and
then
we
just
have
one
last
question
before
we
wrap
it
up
that
we'd
like
to
ask
you
guys
to
just
give
us
a
feel
for,
but
if
anyone
has
a
question
that
they'd
like
to
ask
the
group,
please
feel
free
to
do
so
now.
A
A
A
H
A
Well,
thanks!
So
much
we
wanted,
we
were
doing
our
own
little
research
on
that
is
that
that's
an
area
ncs
working
on
right
now
and
receiving
some
questions
about.
So
thank
you.
So
much
all
of
you
for
taking
time
out
of
your
very
busy
schedule
to
join
us
today.
It's
a
pleasure
to
see
your
faces
and
to
do
this
quick
check-in.