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A
All
right
so
welcome
joyce.
So
will
you
start
off
with
letting
us
know
your
name
and
your
title
and
any
experience
you've
had
dealing
with
child
welfare
issues?
Yes,.
B
Thank
you
good
morning.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
Thank
you
for
inviting
me.
My
name
is
joyce
james.
I
am
currently
president
and
ceo
of
joyce
james,
consulting
where
I
provide
technical
assistance,
support
and
training
to
various
systems
and
institutions
around
the
country
who
are
working
to
create
an
anti-racist
culture
so
that
all
of
the
people
that
they
serve
have
an
opportunity
for
equitable
outcomes.
B
I
am
a
social
worker
by
profession
I
started
my
career
as
a
frontline
child
protective
services
caseworker
in
the
state
of
texas,
and
I
was
fortunate
and
blessed
to
be
able
to
move
up
the
career
ladder
holding
several
different
positions
on
up
to
being
the
first
african-american
to
serve
as
the
director
of
the
texas
child
protect
services
program
in
2004.
B
I
was
able
to
develop
a
model
that
I
took
to
the
state
level
with
me
and
was
instrumental
in
testifying
before
the
texas
legislature,
so
that
texas
became
the
first
state
in
the
country
to
have
law
requiring
child
protective
services
to
address
the
racial
inequities.
A
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
you
definitely
have
a
lot
of
experience
on
the
topic,
but
for
some
of
our
attendees,
who
don't
necessarily
have
that
same
experience?
Can
you
define
for
us
disproportionality
and
disparity
and
then
talk
a
little
about
why
this
is
important
for
children
and
families
of
color
sure.
B
So
what
I
usually
tell
people
is
that
disproportionality
is
a
new
word
for
an
age-old
problem,
so
we
used
to
call
it
over-representation
and
actually
it
is.
The
overall
under-representation
of
a
particular
group
are
raised
in
a
system
as
compared
to
their
representation
in
the
general
population,
and
research
has
shown
that
both
african-american
and
native
american
families
and
their
children
are
over
represented
in
the
child
welfare
system
relative
to
white
children
and
families
in
virtually
every
state
in
this
country.
B
So
it's
it's
really
important
to
understand
that,
from
a
from
a
systemic
place
that
if
we
only
saw
it
in
a
few
places,
you
know
we
might
be
able
to
just
look
at
it
at
an
individual
level.
But
the
fact
that
it
is
in
all
of
our
systems
not
just
child
welfare.
B
Then
it
means
that
we
have
to
have
a
deeper
analysis
and
look
at
the
root
causes
of
this.
So
disparity
in
comparison
is
the
comparison
of
the
ratio
of
one
race
or
ethnic
group
in
in
an
event
as
compared
to
another
race.
B
In
that
same
event,
and
so,
for
example,
we
know
that
black
children
in
foster
care
experience
more
moves
that
they're
less
likely
to
be
adopted,
that
they're
less
likely
to
be
reunited
with
their
families.
And
so
we
know
that
there
is
a
relationship
between
disproportionality
and
disparities
and
that
disparity
actually
increases
the
potential
for
disproportionality
to
to
occur.
And
so
you
were
asking
me
why
it's
important
is
that
what
was
that?
My
next
question.
B
It's
it's
really
important
for
children
and
families
of
color,
in
that,
as
I've
previously
said
it.
It's
not
just
about
child
welfare,
but
it
is
about
the
experiences
of
children
and
families
of
color
across
multiple
systems
and
institutions,
be
it
education,
welfare,
juvenile
justice,
criminal
justice,
health,
housing,
employment,
you
name
it.
The
same.
Families
have
the
worst
of
outcomes
in
all
of
these
systems
and
institutions,
and
I
would
say
that
it
is
deeply
rooted
in
the
history
of
institutional
and
structural
races
and
it's
important
as
it
relates
to
that.
B
This
has
been
going
on
for
a
very,
very
long
time
that
there's
a
history
of
it
that
is
still
embedded
in
the
very
fabric
of
our
systems
and
institutions,
and
that
it
is
important
that
we
understand
the
root
causes
of
disproportionality
and
disparities,
because
we
have
been
trained
to
treat
the
symptoms
of
a
much
deeper
problem,
and
when
we
only
treat
the
symptoms,
then
we
don't
achieve
the
outcomes
that
as
helping
professionals,
we
come
to
our
work
to
achieve,
and
so
you
know
I
approach
this
work
from
my
belief
that
people
in
health
and
professions
come
to
their
work.
B
Yet
when
you
examine
the
data
and
outcomes,
we're
not
helping
in
the
way
that
we
intend
to
help,
and
so
it
you
know
the
importance
of
it,
I
can't
even
speak
to
how
critically
necessary
it
is
that
we
move
away
from
the
socialization
that
we
have
had
around
our
role
as
helping
professionals
is
to
develop
programs
and
services
to,
in
my
words,
fix
broken
people
that
instead,
we
have
to
become
bold,
courageous
and
accountable.
B
B
Before
I
answer
that
question,
if
I
might
just
mention
the
third
piece
of
legislation,
that
text
says
because,
as
I
travel
around
the
country-
and
I
share
that
texas
was
the
first
state
to
have
the
kind
of
legislation
that
required
us
to
actually
remediate
our
enforcement
actions
to
reduce
disproportionality
is
what
it
was
about.
People
say,
texas,
you
know,
and
and
so-
and
I
say
yes
and
I
say
if,
if
we
can
do
this
work
in
texas,
then
that
means
you
can
do
it
anywhere
right.
B
and
it
was
the
bill
that
actually
ended
up
in
my
transition
from
the
department
of
family
and
protective
services
to
the
texas
health
and
human
services
commission,
which
was
the
umbrella
agency
for
all
of
our
these
state
systems,
and
it
was
there
that
the
legislation
required,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
we
expand
this
racial
equity
lens
and
this
training
it
created
an
interagency
council
and
it
required
the
state
leaders
of
child
welfare,
of
juvenile
justice,
of
the
education
agency,
of
health
and
of
mental
health
to
participate
in
an
interagency
council.
B
B
You
know,
members
of
our
advisory
councils
from
across
the
state
community
and
faith
based
and
foster
youth,
and
we
were
required
to
examine
racial
inequities
across
those
systems
and
to
report
to
the
legislature
on
it,
and
you
know
in
a
way
I'm
saying
hold
systems
accountable.
That's
what
legislators
can
do
right.
You
can
hold
systems
accountable
for
digging
deeper
for
going
to
the
source
of
these
problems
and
not
continuing
to
create
all
of
these
programs
and
services.
B
I
was
the
presiding
officer
of
that
interagency
council,
with
many
many
recommendations
for
how
we
could
reduce
the
racial
inequities
within
our
system,
and
so
I
would
say
to
legislators
to
first
of
all,
if
you
have
not
immersed
yourselves
in
having
an
analysis
and
an
understanding
of
the
history
of
institutional
and
structural
racism
in
this
country
and
how
it
still
lives
and
breeds
in
the
very
fabric
of
all
of
our
systems
and
institutions,
to
be
intentional
and
deliberate
about
doing
that.
B
Not
from
a
place
of
am
I
racist
or
not,
but
from
a
place
of
accountability
to
all
of
the
children.
Houston
families
that
we
serve
to
have
your
state
leaders
come
in
prepared
to
answer
questions
as
it
relates
to
who
are
your
programs
and
services
working
for
you
know,
because
you
can
present
it
in
a
way
that
it
looks
so
good
and
if
it's
not
disaggregated
by
race
and
ethnicity,
you
know.
B
Sometimes
the
people
that
are
doing
really
well
are
such
that
it
overshadows
the
disproportionality
and
disparities
that
we
see
and
and
and
have
regular
reporting
have
state
leaders
talk
about
what
are
their
plans
for
how
they're
going
to
address
these
issues,
create
a
space
for
them
to
tell
you
what
they
really
need
to
do
the
kind
of
work
that
has
to
be
done
at
that
level
and
again
don't
shy
away
from
the
discussion,
because
what
I
can
tell
you,
too,
is
that
there
is
no
quick
fix
to
the
hundreds
of
years
of
oppression
that
people
have
experienced,
and
I
would
be
remiss
not
to
mention
the
the
history
of
native
americans
and
the
child
welfare
and
the
trauma
that
they
still
have
to
deal
with
today,
as
it
relates
to
the
years
and
years
ago,
when
native
children's
were
removed
from
their
families.
B
And
you
know
their
the
whole
culture
taken
away
from
them,
forbidding
to
speak
their
language,
having
their
hair,
cut,
placing
them
in
white
christian
homes
and
in
essence,
if
we
are
willing
to
tell
the
truth.
B
It
was
about
assimilation
and-
and
you
know
that
assimilation,
including
included
using
white
education,
to
educate
them
right,
so
that
they
would
lose
everything
that
they
believed
in
and
value
and
even
as
the
equal
laws
have
been
put
in
place,
it
really
has
not
altered,
as
it
should
have
the
experiences
of
our
native
american
children,
who
are
still
disproportionately
represented
in
our
system.
B
And
you
know
I
know
today
that
there
is
a
push
to
dismantle
equal,
and
I
would
strongly
urge
that
we
not
do
that
that
we
not
dismantle
equal,
but
that
rather
we
work
to
strengthen
it
and
to
better
enforce
it,
so
that
we
began
to
at
least
work
to
reduce
some
of
the
trauma
that
this
population
has
felt
for
so
very,
very
long.
And
so
we
need
to
create
anti-racist
cultures
out
of
which
all
of
our
systems
operate.
B
Because,
again
and
recognize,
I
would
say
to
to
state
legislators-
recognize
the
relationship
that
all
of
these
systems
have
to
the
same
communities
and
the
same
population
of
people.
So
we
know
what
happens
to
african-american
and
native
american
children
in
virtually
every
foster
care
system
across
this
country.
But
we
also
know
that
this
happens
to
the
same
children
in
the
education
system
and
and
that
you
would
include
your
hispanic
latino
population
that
education
systems
across
the
country
are
failing
these
children
and
you
notice,
I
didn't
say
the
children
are
failing.
B
B
A
That
was
a
lot,
and
so
just
for
the
last
question
I
would
say
what
major
takeaway
do.
You
hope
legislators
leave
this
conversation
with.