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1. Frederick Fournier W/ Open Forest Protocol
2. Emiliano Gutierrez W/ RAIZ VERTICAL FARMS
3. The legendary Yessin Schiegg W/ NEAR Foundation
4. Wouter Crul W/ South Pole
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A
So
we're
going
to
kick
off
this
panel.
The
topic
is
climate
crypto
and
the
sustainable
future
of
web3.
We
have
four
really
great
panelists
with
us
today
and
we're
going
to
cover
a
bunch
of
different
topics
at
the
intersection
of
this
space,
so
to
make
the
most
efficient
use
of
our
time,
we'll
start
now
with
the
panelists
introducing
themselves
and
just
giving
a
quick
background
on
where
they're
coming
from
in
this
conversation
and
then
we'll
get
into
it.
So
without
further
ado.
A
B
You
and
great
to
have
you
all
here,
I'm
valtteri
bottacrow,
I'm
my
innovation
lead
for
south
pole.
Southpaw
is
one
of
the
leading
carbon
project
developers
as
well
as
we
help
a
lot
of
companies
who
is
creating
a
sustainable
future
by
by
understanding
what
change
they
can
and
have
to
embrace
in
our
business
models,
but
kind
of
make
him
make
him
a
positive
side
of
that
and
see
business
opportunities
from
that
side
as
well.
I'm
dutch,
I
think
that
will
do
for
now.
C
Hello,
I'm
jesse,
I'm
the
cfo
of
nir
foundation
based
in
zug,
switzerland,
I'm
taking
care
of
financial,
legal
and
regulatory
matters,
and
I'm
sitting
on
the
panel,
because
climate
change
is
a
key
concern
for
me.
So
I've
took
on
the
task
to
take
that
great
technology
and
come
help
compensate
that
cry.
A
tiny
bit
of
co2
footprint,
that's
left
with
the
near
protocol
with
the
help
of
south
pole
and
yeah,
welcome
all.
E
Hey
good
morning,
I'm
fred
ceo
of
the
open
forest
protocol
so
coming
from
a
scientific
background,
environmental,
environmental,
consulting
for
a
long
time
and
now
going
to
blockchain
with
an
awesome
project
on
trying
to
help
people
on
the
ground,
restoring
land
reforesting
in
a
sustainable
way,
conserving
forest
and
making
that
possible
with
blockchain
for
the
details.
Probably
after
the
the
speak.
A
Thank
you
guys,
so,
first
question:
I'm
actually
going
to
direct
to
welter
who's
who's,
going
to
be
giving
a
little
bit
of
an
insight
to
what
exactly
is
the
problem
here.
So
we
want
to
set
the
stage
for
everyone
to
kind
of
all,
understand
the
the
gravity
of
the
situation
and
then
also,
hopefully,
that
provides
context
for
why
the
climate
industry
is
increasingly
interested
in
the
blockchain
space.
So
walter.
B
Thank
you,
and
I
you
introduced
a
question
already,
so
I'm
prepared
to
answer
it,
but
I'm
gonna
answer
it
in
a
way
that,
for
me,
is,
is
somewhat
you
know
meaningful.
You
know,
we've
heard
so
many
stories
about
the
amount,
the
impact,
the
bigger
kind
of
doom
and
gloom
scenarios
about
the
world
and
this
lagging
behind
to
be
behind
the
kind
of
targets
of
whole
setting.
B
If
you
take
the
hottest
summer,
you
can
imagine
you
ever
experienced
in
your
life
if
we're
going
to
go
to
two
degrees
more
or
less
it's
going
to
be
every
six
to
eight
years,
we're
going
to
have
a
summer
like
that,
so
that's
going
to
be
40
plus
degrees,
with
all
the
impact
and
all
the
side
effects
that
are
that
are
there
when
we
go
to
three
degrees
that
will
be
every
other
year.
You
know
every
other
year.
B
It's
going
to
be
that
30
40
plus
degree
summer,
and
it's
going
to
impact
everything
we
do
on
all
the
spinoff
effects
that
are
that
are
there.
So
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
kind
of
take
it
home
in
that
way,
because
so
many
other
things
kind
of
speak
to
us,
but
they
don't
because
we
heard
it
so
often
and
therefore
it's
a
little
bit
yeah,
I
understand
it,
but
yeah.
Does
it
really
hit
home
on
that?
On
that
way,
the
other
thing
that
it
does
for
me
really
is.
B
B
It's
the
the
stick
and
the
carrot
in
so
many
different
ways
that
we
really
need
every
possible
means
to
be
able
to
make
us
make
that
shift
and
to
help
us
mobilize
behind
that
idea
and
kind
of
put
that
idea
into
action
like
that.
So
that's
what
it
means
for
me
and
that's
what
hopefully
it
will
mean
for
some
of
you
as
well
after
we've
had
our
chat
today.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
I
think
something
that
stood
out
from
from
what
you're
saying
is
really
the
need
to
reimagine
how
our
systems
work
right.
A
systems
change
a
paradigm
shift
in
in
how
different
inputs
interact
with
each
other
fred.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
coming
also
from
a
climate
background.
A
You
previously
had
had
an
ngo
that
focused
on
forestation
reforestation,
but
you
were
driven
to
be
interested
in
blockchain
because
you
thought
it
could
help
enhance
the
industry
in
some
way.
Do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
was
the
underlying
value
proposition
that
you
saw
from
blockchain?
What
what
you?
What
what
was
valuable
in
moving
out
of
just
pure
climate
into
this
new
cryptoclimate
intersection.
E
Yeah,
of
course,
I
I
think
it's
not
completely
related
with
the
ngo
we
still
have,
but
it's
also
related
to
basically
the
the
way
we
do
business
as
a
whole
and
I'm
coming
from
the
you
know,
consulting
industry
as
south
pole
is
also,
and
basically
in
this
industry
and
in
most
industries.
You
kind
of
you
know
tackle
one
problem
and
you,
then
you
go
to
the
next
and
you
redo
it
you
can,
you
know,
can
take
lessons
from
the
the
first
experiment
and
then
you
you
did
it
again
and
again.
E
How
can
we
apply
this
new
technology
to
basically
have
maybe
a
standardized
standard,
something
more
standardized,
but
also
that
will
help
people
that
have
not
access
to
technology
at
all
that
you,
you
can't.
You
don't
have
time
to
reach
out
to
them.
You
don't
have
enough
resources
to
help
them
out.
So
that's
kind
of
the
angle
I
I
took
to
access
blockchain
getting
in.
A
What
do
you
tell
people
when
they're
interested
in
the
value
proposition
of
using
something
like
a
blockchain
for
a
climate
purpose?
Right?
We
hear
words
like
immutability.
We
hear
words
like
transparency,
we
hear
things
related
to
carbon
offsets
in
your
mind,
what
would
you
say
is
is
really
the
value
of
using
a
distributed
ledger
for
climate
initiatives.
C
Yeah,
I
want
to
put
this
a
bit
into
perspective
to
the
history
of
blockchain,
and
so
we
started
satoshi
nakamoto's
bitcoin.
We
had
really
the
first
proof
of
stake
approve
of
work
protocol
which,
with
the
idea
to
have
a
decentralized
money,
then
we
had
that
moved
over
to
more
a
decentralized
gold
sort
of
thing
becoming
a
digital
gold
and
and
gold
is
highly
polluting.
So
by
because
you
have
to
you
know,
melt
all
these
gold.
C
I
think
it's
it's
like
three
times
or
four
times
worth
from
a
carbon
footprint
than
bitcoin
in
the
that
said,
bitcoin
is
already
progress
over
over
gold.
Definitely
and
has
comes
with
a
lot
of
properties
which
are
favorable
over
gold
and
and
it's
technology.
That
brings
us
that,
but
like
to
hit
that,
then
that
technology
shouldn't
stop
right
there
and
also
bitcoin
is
evolving
with
this
layer
tools
coming
on
and
allowing
new
applications
based
on
bitcoin.
C
But
but
progress
is
quite
slow
still,
and
then
we
had
ethereum
evolving,
which
is
a
programmable
digital
money
right
with
metallic
butterings
ideas
around
that,
and
even
that
is
evolving
further,
with
ethereum
2.0,
switching
from
proof
of
work.
Highly
polluting
to
something
way
way
by
by
like
a
multiple
of
a
thousand
or
more
more
efficient
and
and
then
you
have
third
generation
protocols
with
eventually
ethereum
2.0
will
be
there,
but
you
also
already
have
protocols
out
there
which
can
provide
that.
So
no
wait
for
that.
C
So
that's
near
the
proof
of
stake
protocol
highly
efficient,
and
then
it
takes
very
little
to
make
a
corbyn
neutral
and
suddenly
you
have
a
tool
which
is
allows
people
to
collaborate
in
a
decentralized
way
where
nobody
has
to
trust
each
other.
It's
a
it's
a
global
tool.
It's
a
it's
a
world
computer
where
people
can
plug
in
to
start
solving
a
global
problem
right
and
that's
where
the
innovation
starts
and
also
by
being
climate
neutral.
The
interest
of
people
doing
projects
is
there
for
blockchain.
Until
now,
it
was
just
highly
polluting.
C
C
But
I
I
don't
like
this
lambo
attitude
where
people
like
hey,
you
know
when
lambo,
I
think
we
don't
need
lambos,
it's
it's
like
it's
great
for
a
choke,
but
if
every
human
being
drives
a
lambo,
I
mean
it's
a
it's
at
that
play
a
planet
pretty
quickly
right,
but
we
want
to
have
a
comfortable
call
like
a
car.
We
want
to
get
from
a
to
b
as
a
little
boy.
I
also
liked
testarossa.
C
I
was
more
into
the
the
ferrari
tester
also
of
the
80s
right,
but
I
grew
up
and
I
want
to
do
something
meaningful
in
the
world,
and
so
I
think
blockchain
technology
can
can
help
in
this
regard,
and
so
we
should
think
like
how
can
we
use
the
tool
what
you
know?
What
should
we
strive
for
to
make
this
a
better
planet?
And
so
that's
a
techno?
That's
definitely
a
technology
to
look.
A
At
and
I
liked
how
you
kind
of
charted
that
history,
because
where
it
leads
us
to,
is
now
almost
this,
like
tipping
point
where
you're
seeing
the
emergence
of
a
lot
of
different
use,
cases
of
climate
friendly
web
3
software
products
right-
and
I
wanted
to
ask
you
emiliano,
coming
from
the
angle
of
vertical
farming.
Where
do
you,
you
know,
see
the
the
capacity
to
incorporate
some
type
of
distributed,
ledger
or
crypto
economy
for
improving
the
way
that
you
guys
do
business.
D
Sure,
just
giving
a
better
context
on
what
vertical
farming
is
and
why
we're
doing
it.
You
might
know
that
agriculture
is
one
of
the
biggest
emitters
in
in
terms
of
co2,
so
by
integrating
hydroponic
solutions
and
technology,
we're
able
to
reduce
those
emissions
right.
So
the
way
we
we
look
at
incorporating
blockchain
is
amongst
the
different
other
aspects
is
quantifying
the
the
impact
that
we
can
reduce
and
transforming
hydroponic
systems
into
investable
assets
right.
D
So
we
can
incorporate
the
dlt
or
blockchain
within
different
kind
of
stuff,
but
also,
for
example,
providing
traceability
and
accountability
for
our
processes
and
for
our
final
products,
which
are
the
plants
right.
For
example,
we
can
track
from
seed
to
table
or
to
final
harvest.
We
can
also
track
how
less
land,
water
and
emissions
are
done
in
comparison
to
regular
agriculture
right
and
one
moving
ahead.
For
example,
one
quick
experiment
we're
doing
our
first
validation.
We're
working
with
near
and
mint
base
is
creating
a
plan
ft
right.
So
that's
a.
A
D
A
term
we
call
in
this
just
plant
nfts
so
creating
the
digital
artworks
representing
the
plant
that
are
actually
attached
to
sustainability
metrics,
as
the
ones
mentioned
that
encompass
the
impact
reduction
of
that
specific
plant
and
there's
other
kind
of
applications
that
we
can.
We
can
develop
and
and
we're
excited
to
to
work
with
the
amazing
panelists
here
and
also
other
corporations.
A
Yeah
fantastic,
I
think
what
I
take
away
from
your
answer
is
that
you
know
what
a
distributed
ledger
really
inaugurates
is
better
information
management
and
also
better
value
management,
and
I
think,
as
the
on-chain
world
grows,
you
can
imagine
how
that
information
value
can
be
harnessed
into
other
on-chain
products.
Welch.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
from
the
the
position
of
south
pole,
especially
when
it,
when
you're
looking
at
the
landscape
of
future
technologies,
where
blockchain
is
one
of
these
future
technologies.
B
From
my
perspective,
as
being
you
know,
responsible
and
helpful
to
help
us
scale
what
we
do,
which
we
really
do
from
a
way
of
kind
of
making
sure
we
can
make
the
impact
and
help
kind
of
achieve
the
targets
that
we
all
set
and
for
me
you
know
we're
looking
at
ways
of
monitoring
and
aspects
of
satellites
being
able
to
contribute
to
monitoring
the
projects,
but
really
for
me
it's
in
the
context
again
about
the
change
context.
You
know:
how
can
we
really
trace
to
the
lowest
level?
B
Any
change,
that's
happening
and
feed
it
back
to
the
people
actually
making
those
change
as
well
as
kind
of
quantifying
the
benefits
of
those
projects
and
those
impacts
that
they've
had
on
a
really
granular
granular
level.
One
is
it
will
help
kind
of
allocate
the
value
to
the
people?
Who've
made
a
difference,
but
I
think
the
other
thing,
if
you're
managing
to
do
that
at
scale,
which
we
don't
know.
Yet
we
can
kind
of
build
recommenders
what
works
really
well
and
what
ecosystem,
but
what
doesn't
work
really
really
well.
B
Unfortunately,
much
of
the
industry
is
still
about
gis
and
kind
of
mapping
out
areas
and
taking
10-year
kind
of
views,
and
the
industry
is
still
about
monitoring
the
impact
of
projects
and
then
doing
reports
and
then
releasing
the
credits.
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
get
with
smart
monitoring
ways
and
being
able
to
kind
of
validate
it
in
a
decentralized
way.
We
should
be
able
to
kind
of
release
those
credits
in
a
monthly
basis
and
be
able
to
do
that
much
much
quicker
than
we
do
now.
B
The
other
thing
that
I'm
really
excited
about
is
you
know,
there's
companies
who
are
now
concerned
about
financing
upfront,
their
future
offsets,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
forward
market,
that's
being
created
around
carbon
credits
because
of
the
potential
of
the
prices
increasing
and
companies
wanting
to
kind
of
hedge.
Some
of
that
which
for
me
means
that
there
is
a
potential
to
get
a
lot
more
money
into
the
market.
B
So
if
you
can
kind
of
tokenize
the
carbon
credits
and
then
there's
one
caveat
to
that,
because
I'm
hoping
we
can
tokenize
the
best
version
of
the
credits,
you
know
we
can
automate
it
and
make
it
a
commodity.
Then
I
wouldn't
be
happy
about
it.
If
you
can
kind
of
tokenize
it,
but
really
make
sure
that
it
kind
of
grows
in
value,
because
it's
still
connected
to
the
project
and
the
side
benefits
that
are
there.
A
Really
interesting
so
for
the
we're
gonna,
basically
ask
the
same
question
to
all
four
panelists
now,
which
is
what
blockchain
dapper
application.
Are
you
each
most
excited
about
that?
Has
you
know
some
form
of
climate
impact
climate
implication
for
changing
the
way
that
the
existing
industry
is
operating?
I
want
to
start
with
you
fred,
actually,
because
walter
was
mentioning
the
need
for
decentralized
verification.
E
Yeah
thanks
first,
I
was
really
happy
to
hear
what
vardar
said
and
the
kind
of
the
open
mindset
he
has
on
on
those
technologies,
because
I
think
it's
really
gonna
be
a
game
changer
in
the
climate
industry.
Of
course,
we
are
one
of
the
existing
project
with
maybe
a
slightly
difference
from
the
other
one
is
that
we
want
to
bring
everything
unchained
from
the
data
on
the
ground.
E
So
basically
we
want
to
empower
people
on
the
ground,
doing
those
projects
to
own
their
data
and
basically
to
own
their
common
credits.
If
we
get
there
which
is
kind
of
a
shift
paradigm,
because
those
guys
today
they
don't
first,
they
don't
have
access
to
technology
at
all.
Well,
of
course,
south
pole
is
doing
amazing
projects
around
the
world,
but
they're
quite
a
big
big
project,
we'll
say
so.
There
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
small
and
medium-sized
projects
that
don't
have
access
to
any
other
technology
nor
common
credits.
E
So
we
kind
of
try
to
bring
them
the
technology,
not
even
talking
about
blockchain
for
them,
because
they
don't
really
need
to
understand,
what's
behind
it,
but
what's
super
important
for
them
that
they
have
the
power
of
doing
something,
driving
that
that
change
themselves
and
also
be
connected
to
potential
investors
down
the
line.
So
that's
kind
of
the
first
thing
I
would
say.
E
The
second
thing
is
that
for
the
validation
process
for
us,
the
way
we
look
at
it
is
that
it's
super
important
that
we
have
validators
looking
at
different
angles
of
the
of
particular
project
they
want
to
validate
in.
So
the
way
we
are
structured
is
like
to
have,
of
course,
validators
that
are
that
know
the
industry,
but
have
a
different
look.
E
There
might
be
it
might
be
a
satellite
company
looking
at
at
the
project,
so
they'll
have
one
angle:
they
can
check
the
forest
the
whole
plot,
if
it's
a
huge
plot
they'll,
you
know
they'll
be
very
good
at
checking
the
whole
thing
you
might
have
some
other
ngos
in
the
same
country
on
same
next
region
that
will
be
checking
the
next
door
project
you'll
have
eventually
down
the
road
people
walking
by
checking
the
project.
Why
not?
E
You
could
have
drone
companies
and
those
are
you
know,
emerging
quite
fast,
also
during
their
their
share.
You
could
also
think
about
other
people
involved
like
crypto
projects
that
have
an
interest
in
in
checking
this
and
being
part
of
the
ecosystem.
So
it's
it's
not
a
way
of
basically
it's
kind
of
disrupting
something
that
actually
doesn't
exist
today.
So
we
are
a
disruptor,
but
I
think
if
we
look
at
you
know
the
the
way
it's
the
the
market
is
structured.
E
Today
we
are
like
the
first
thing
we
do
is
like
we
don't
disrupt
the
existing
industry.
It's
like,
we
add,
more
more
value
to
the
industry,
more
transparency
and
we
help
projects
that
don't
have
access
to
money
and
the
funding
yet
and
then,
of
course,
it's.
The
big
question
is
how
this
all
whole
market
is
going
to
evolve.
Eventually
with
that
technology.
That's
pretty
that's
pretty
rough
question
and
to
answer
maybe
it's
another
panel.
A
Yes,
and
you
you
know,
were
crucial
in
offsetting.
The
small
amount
of
emissions
that
you
know
near
protocol
was
responsible
for.
You
also
had
some
initiatives
with
green
nfts
and
you're
extremely
well
connected
in
the
crypto
space.
Is
there
any
specific,
blockchain
application?
You
know,
that's
excite,
that's
exciting
you
about
the
future
of
climate
or
what
are
what
are
your
eyes
on
these
days?
At
this
intersection
of
climate
and
crypto.
C
Well,
I
was
very
surprised
by
seeing
open
forest
protocol
popping
up
on
near
because
I
I
stumbled
over
the
homepage,
seeing
like
eight
to
ten
people
already
on
it,
working
on
something
on
a
solution
on
here.
So
I
really
lost
oversight
of
everything
that's
happening
on
here,
but
it's
a
nice
validation.
C
C
So
what
we
need
is
oracles,
and
eventually
we
have
a
conversion
from
like
proof
of
work,
which
is
like
a
proof
that
energy
was
burned
to
proof
of
stake,
which
is
sort
of
carbon
neutral
to
like
proof
of
pre
of
trees
planted
right.
That's
the
evolution
so
that
that
people
are
rewarded
for
planting
trees
and
not
for
burning
energy.
A
I
think
the
the
image
you
gave
of
the
flow
of
value
between
you
know
any
nft
or
even
dap
from
that
matter,
into
an
address
using
a
smart
contract,
is
very
indicative
of
things
to
come
right,
we're
we're
quite
literally
on
the
frontier
of
this
new
industry.
That's
just
sprouting
where
the
value
from
all
the
different
existing
products
on
chain
can
find
a
sustainable
home
if
the
creators
or
the
artists
or
the
people
behind
it
you
know
are-
are
interested
in
that
way.
A
This
next
little
mini
segment
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
on
the
topic
of
industry
disruption,
and
I
wanted
to
start
with
emiliano
using
blockchain
with
vertical
farming
kind
of
harnessing
web3
technology.
With
an
already
you
know,
it's
a
disruptive
focus
for
farming
vertically
versus
farming
horizontally.
D
In
terms
of
timeline,
I
think
one
to
two
years
or
we're
seeing
already
mass
adoption
and
mass
adoption
is
near,
but
I
wanted
to
touch
a
bit
on
on
on
what
was
mentioned
before
in
investable
assets
and
and
investing
in
future
impact
right
and
that's
also
somewhere.
We
want
to
drive-
and
we
haven't
seen
that
yet
in
the
vertical
farming
ecosystem.
So
imagine
tokenizing
a
vertical
farm
right
or
not
only
one
hydroponic
system
but
a
whole
vertical
farm.
Then
you
can
yield
farm
in
in
in
the
real
sense
right.
D
So
you
can
create
a
bridge
between
the
physical
and
digital
world,
so
we're
farming,
but
we're
also
generating
yield
for
investors
that
hold
the
tokens
and
can
actually
create
a
revenue
out
of
each
plant
grown
or
if
each
harvest
batched
right
or
batch
harvested.
So
that's
something
we're
really
looking
to
drive
and
as
mentioned
before,
quantifying
the
the
proper
impact.
So
so
that
that's
that's
something
we're
seeing,
and
we
invite
also
other
vertical
farms
to
to
join
that
right.
A
D
I
I
guess
we're
spearheading
a
bit.
To
be
honest.
We
hadn't
seen
that
yet
I
myself
created
a
blockchain
lab
a
couple
of
years
ago
back
in
la
tam,
so
then
we
were
invited
into
near
and
we
thought
it
or
we
think
it
makes
perfect
sense
being,
as
mentioned
proof
of
proof
of
stake,
then
working
with
south
pole
being
carbon
neutral
and
that's
also
our
goal
as
a
company
and
in
vertical
farming,
so
reducing
yeah
the
emissions
and
just
bridging
that
digital
and
physical
world.
D
A
Perfect,
so
staying
on
on
the
topic
of
disruption
and
kind
of
a
disruption
mindset,
it's
quite
funny
to
look
at
where
bitcoin
was
and
where
bitcoin
is
today,
and
I
I'm
curious
to
to
see
both
welcher
and
fred,
your
opinions
on
how
a
similar
narrative
might
be
emerging
for
the
role
of
carbon
or
carbon
certifiers
in
the
on-chain
world.
So
you
know
from
the
legacy
system.
How
should
they
kind
of
approach
this
new
disruptive
world?
Is
it
a
positive
sum
game?
Is
it
a
zero-sum
game?
E
E
You
know
there
are
some
big
nice
players
and
they're
here
they
are
really
recognized
for
that,
but
there
are
also
a
lot
of
other
players
where
you
don't
really.
You
know
you
don't
really
know
what
they
do.
You
don't
really
know
why
the
price
is
at
that
price.
Why?
You
know?
Where
is
the
money
going?
E
So
I
was
like
okay,
so
I
give
you
money
for
paying
trees
and
then,
basically,
that
money
is
being
used
for
selling
the
same
carbon
credits
to
some
other
people
that
don't
know
that
I've
been
doing
donating
money
for
so
it's
kind
of
you
know
it's
it's
not
like
cheating,
but
it's
not
transparent.
That's
my
point
and
I
think,
with
a
system
like
blockchain,
you
won't
have
those
problems.
You
won't
have
double
accounting.
E
B
I
think
so
so
I
mean
just
a
little
word
to
to
your
in
transparency
indeed
having
been
around
in
the
market
for
15
years
and
more
or
less
help
shape
the
voluntary
carbon
market.
It's
fair
to
say
that
kind
of
south
pole,
as
a
trading
company
in
carbon
credits,
benefits
from
that
in
transparency.
You
know
we
make
some
of
our
margin
on
the
basis
of
that
in
transparency.
B
So
I
kind
of
like
that
energy
that
makes
me
maybe
a
little
bit
more
of
an
agent
on
the
outside
there.
You
know
it
brings
to
personalities
that
says:
okay
now,
let's
challenge
this
but
deep
inside.
If
you
would
ask
me
how
many
people
in
south
pole
are
kind
of
aware
of
the
potential
disruption
that
is
taking
place,
how
deep
that
will
go,
I
cannot
mention
a
lot
of
my
other
600
colleagues
right.
A
lot
of
people
speak
about
it.
B
You
know
their
future
will
be
very
short-lived
in
a
world
where
all
of
that
may
be
will
be
decentralized
that
were
that
we're
at
and
when
I
think
about
you
know
how
would
we
deal
with
tata's
health
poll?
The
jury
is
still
out.
You
know
companies
I'm
from
an
innovation,
so
my
point
of
view
would
be:
let's
embrace
it
and
run
experiments
to
understand
what
it
will
do.
B
So
I'm
hoping
to
to
kind
of
work
with
many
people
in
the
nearer
platform,
who
kind
of
generate
some
of
the
early
ideas
and,
in
that
way,
kind
of
start,
creating
momentum
about
the
interesting
use
cases
and
that
way
start
creating
a
change
in
the
industry.
From
that
point
of
view,
that'd
be
my
take
on
that.
A
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
time
to
take
a
moment
and
appreciate
that
attitude
from
south
pole,
because
it's
not
every
day
that
you
have
a
legacy
system,
who's
so
open
to
innovating
and
adopting
for
a
larger
cause.
Even
you
know
when
it
might
change
the
way
that
they're
doing
business
or
or
lead
to
more
risk
on
their
side,
so
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that.
A
C
C
So
so
it's
hard
planning,
they
don't
know
what
the
cost
will
be,
because
also
the
carbon
credits
price
is,
is
moving
up
and
down
and
and
so
having
it
all
on
blockchain
they
could
acquire
these
carbon
credits,
no
matter
how
they
were
created,
but
then
they
they
can
decide
what
they
do
and
at
the
time
of
when
they
want
to
retire
these
right,
and
so
that's
type,
the
type
of
innovation
we
should
look
out
for
in
a
dialogue.
How?
How
can
we
make
things
more
transparent?
How
can
we
make
it
more
efficient?
A
Excellent-
and
I
think
the
the
big
presupposition
there
is
that
both
parties
need
to
be
willing
to
come
to
the
table
and
have
an
honest
talk
about.
What's
working
and
what's
not
working
on
both
sides
right
putting
the
prejudice
and
the
dogma
aside.
Fred
same
same
question
kind
of
to
you
in
terms
of
the
the
future
dialogue
between
these
two
industries.
E
Yeah,
I
think
the
dialogue
is
essential
in
all
innovation.
You
don't
innovate
by
having
a
great
idea
in
your
living
room,
I
mean
well,
you
might
you
might
get
somewhere,
but
you
know,
although
you
don't
do
anything-
and
I
think
that
especially
applies
to
blockchain
and
especially
when
it
comes
to
climate
and
blockchain,
because
in
this
industry
you
kind
of
have
of
you
have
people
that
are
in
a
in
the
mindset
of
doing
things
like
they've
been
doing
so
far
and
in
blockchain.
E
No,
not
so
many
people
actually
know
about
climate
and
care
about
climate.
So
it's
it's
it's
a
dialogue
that
is
super
essential
and
we
found
out
that
when
we
we've
been
working
on
this
project
now
before
almost
a
year
and
most
of
the
discussions
we
have
when
we
talk
to
people
from
the
climate
side,
we
try
to
explain
what
blockchain
could
bring
to
the
industry.
So
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
explaining
that
and
when
we
talk
to
the
people
from
the
crypto
side,
we
explain
you
know
what
is
the
problem.
E
E
So
it's
it's
quite
a
bit
bit
of
a
challenge,
and
I
must
say
maybe
now,
if
I
step
aside
from
the
what
we're
doing
with
the
open
forest
protocol
is
the
discussions
we
have,
and
I'm
super
happy
to
have
a
discussion
now
with
southpaw.
Is
the
discussion
outside
and
basically
what
we
found
is
from
this
industry?
E
They
either
see
us
as
a
threat,
or
they
see
us
as
an
opportunity
which
is
pretty
good,
and
what
I
would
say
also
about
blockchain
is
what
we
build
is
a
community-based
solution,
so
the
people
shouldn't
see
us
as
a
threat,
because
we
are
here
for
onboarding
everyone
so
and
it's
that
is
kind
of
a
also
a
difference
between
past
innovations.
Past
innovations
were
about.
You
know,
building
a
product,
so
you
were
in
competition
with
someone
else.
E
In
this
case,
I
would
be
super
happy
to
you
know:
move
forward,
have
discussions
with
you
guys
and
find
a
good
way
to
collaborate,
because
it's
it's
all
about
collaboration
and
what
we're
building
is
open
source.
So
the
more
people,
the
more
you
know,
the
more
more
minds
to
it:
the
better
the
product,
the
better
solution.
A
D
Yeah,
for
sure
I
mean
vertical,
farming
is
also
a
new
topic
right.
So
so
one
of
our
main
tasks
is
to
educate
people,
so
we
have
to
educate
people
on
what
vertical
farming
is,
what
our
impact
is,
and
we
see
blockchain
also
as
a
breeding
ground
for
innovation
and
all
the
interested
people,
the
young
generations,
etc.
It's
a
perfect
mix
for
us
to
both
say
what
our
impact
is
and
how
blockchain
can
can
can
help
right.
D
So
it's
of
course,
breeding
dialogue,
promoting
new
conversations
and
when
we
started
first
talking
about
blockchain
integration,
people
were
like
part
of
the
team,
were
a
bit
scared
or
not
scared,
but
concerned
about,
because
we
sometimes
think
of
blockchain
as
something
that
has
a
higher
impact
right
or
a
negative
impact.
But
it's
good
to
educate
people
that
that
is
not
precisely
the
way
and
not
necessarily
right
so
demystifying.
D
What
blockchain
is
and
also
yeah
educating
people
on
how
we
can
integrate
that
in
a
in
a
more
conscious
way.
That's
where
we
need
to
go.
You
know,
and
so
our
communication
is
always
towards
education,
bringing
people
in
so
people
see
vertical
farming.
As
this
new
kind
of,
let's
say,
cool
farming,
so
it's
also
a
good
way
to
introduce
the
the
crypto
world
and
really
merge
how
we
can
achieve
that
impact
together.
A
All
right
so
in
in
crypto
they
have
this
acronym
wgmi
right,
we're
gonna
make
it
for
the
climate
panel.
I
think
the
final
question
I'd
like
to
ask
everyone
is
hwgmi:
how
are
we
gonna
make
it
so
for
for
you
for
here?
The
question:
is
you
know
what
needs
to
happen
going
forward?
How
can
people
get
involved?
How
do
we
turn
all
of
this
theory
and
talk
into
action
in
a
way
that
really
has
a
sizable
impact
on
the
trajectory
of
our
planet?
B
What
a
good
hack
grenin,
I'm
all
in
for
acronyms,
but
that's
a
really
good
one
on
the
on
the
end
of
the
panel
here.
For
me,
it
is,
you
know,
how
do
we
accelerate
learning
is
by
getting
as
many
experiments
together
in
the
sweet
spot.
You
know,
I
think
the
story
of
sustainability
is
a
slower
story
than
nfts.
It's
a
slower
story
than
some
of
the
other
things
that
were
we're
using.
So
somehow
we
need
to
find
a
sweet
spot
on
how
we
can
gamify
make
it
something
that
people
come
back
to.
B
So
for
me,
it
is
about
have
a
hackathon
with
anybody
who
is
involved
in
that
and
to
kind
of
understand
what
it
is
and
what
it
isn't,
because
I
think
also
kind
of
saying
what
it's
not,
and
indeed
the
mysterifying
will
help
us
really
accelerate
on
the
right
ideas
and
that's
where
I'm
really
positive
about
the
talent.
That's
here
you
know
people
come
here
and
partly
because
they
kind
of
like
the
technical
side,
but
maybe
not
at
all,
because
they
really
like
to
disrupt
the
force
of
it
and
bringing
those
minds
behind
it.
B
C
C
So
yeah
yeah,
let's
make
it
a
topic,
you
know,
let's
keep
on
it.
Climate
change
is
a
topic,
and
now
I
think
the
second
point
is
we:
we
we're
driving
technology
right.
We
are,
let's
use
this
technology
in
a
meaningful
way.
Let's
use
it
to
make
things
better.
Let's,
let's
use
it
to
save
the
planet
and
and
climb
with
the
climate
challenge
is
one
of
the
largest
topics
which
we
all
have
besides
wealth,
distribution
and
and
other
challenges
and
yeah.
That
community
aspect.
I
really
like
that.
You
know.
C
A
D
Aligning
incentives
right,
so
people
are
not
just
going
to
adopt
it,
just
because
it's
a
good
technology,
but
we
have
to
align
both
financial,
economical
and
social
incentives
to
actual
people
adopt
both
on
our
end,
our
products
and
our
technology,
and
accept
what
hydroponics
products
are,
but
also
using
blockchain
as
a
tool
for
good
and
actually
yeah
having
some
dap
or
something
that
actually
makes
sense
to
use,
makes
the
experience
more
accessible
and
provides
value
for
the
final
consumers.
That's
the
way,
I
think
we're
going
to
make
it.
E
So,
for
me,
two
things:
first,
is
the
mindset
thing
so
talking
to
people
be
open,
accepting
ideas,
continuing
the
conversation
that
is
really
really
key,
and
the
second
thing
I
think
it's
even
more
important-
is
the
power
of
the
crowd.
So
basically
people
using
the
technology
at
some
point
and
that's
and
when
they
use
the
technology
they
will
suddenly
realize.
Okay,
I'm
in
charge.
Now
I
have
my
data,
I
do
whatever
I
want.
I
want
to
sell
a
common
credit.
I
do
it,
I
don't
want
to
sell
the
common
credit.
E
A
Yeah
I'll
I'd
like
to
leave
everybody
just
with
the
final
big
presupposition
of
everything
that
we've
been
saying
is
you
know
near
protocol
south
pole,
open
forest
regis
farms
we're
presupposing
an
on-chain
future
right,
we're
presupposing
a
future
where
your
value,
your
information,
your
communication
is
primarily
operated
on
chain
and
I
think
that's
really
the
basis
for
a
lot
of
this
disruption.
So
with
that
presupposition
in
mind,
thank
these
four
panelists
for
the
fantastic
information,
and
thank
you
guys
for
coming
and
sitting
in
and
watching
us.