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A
A
Here
and
please
mark
assemblywoman
toll's
present,
because
she
was
here
and
bragged
about
it
and
please
mark
assemblywoman
when
present
when
she
arrives.
I
believe
she
will
be
here
shortly.
A
Okay,
so
welcome
to
everyone
to
those
in
the
room
and
those
on
the
zoom
and
anybody
watching
on
our
youtube
channel.
So
this
might
be
one
of
our
last
meetings,
I'm
expecting
so
just
bear
with
us.
So
I
think
you
guys
are
used
to
our
housekeeping
things
for
those
of
you
who
are
on
the
zoom.
Please
mute
your
mic
until
you
are
on
to
minimize
background
noise.
Please
make
sure
your
phones
and
laptops
are
in
silence
and
what
else
do
I
need
to
say?
A
Let's
see,
meetings
for
or
materials
for
this
meeting
can
be
found
on
the
committee's
web
page
on
nellis
and
finally,
for
those
of
you
who
are
watching
online
in
this
virtual
world,
we
do
have
several
screens
going
at
one
time.
So
if
you
see
members
looking
away,
they
are
likely
accessing
meeting
materials.
So
we
have
one
bill
to
here
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
skip
the
rest
of
the
stuff
and
just
say
senator.
Please
come
up
and
begin
when
you're
ready,
sorry.
C
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
committee,
thank
you
for
having
me
once
again.
It's
a
pleasure
to
visit
assembly
education
for
the
record.
I
am
marilyn
dondero
loop,
representing
senate
district
8
in
clark
county
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
here
today
to
present
senate
bill
353,
which
requires
the
nevada
department
of
education
to
review
assessments,
prescribe
regulations
to
limit
the
time
spent
on
assessments
and
require
districts
to
request
a
waiver
to
exceed
those
limits.
C
Some
of
you
may
remember:
senate
bill
303
sponsored
by
senator
joyce
woodhouse
in
2017..
The
bill
required
the
mde
to
audit
the
assessment
tools
and
examinations
used
to
monitor
the
performance
of
public
schools
and
students
in
kindergarten
and
grades,
one
through
twelve
to
improve
and
streamline
such
resources.
C
One
reason
for
this
was
the
frequency
and
number
of
assessments
administered
at
the
local
level,
which
are
not
required
at
the
state
or
federal
level.
The
dispar
the
department
responded
at
the
time
that
to
develop
a
balanced
assessment
system
to
help
districts,
reduce
formative
and
interim
assessments
would
take
time
then,
over
the
course
of
that
interim
members
of
the
legislative
committee
on
education
continue
to
investigate
the
amount
of
instructional
time
lost
to
assessments
and
talk
about
the
impact
that
learning
loss
had
on
students.
C
Section
2
requires
the
nde
to
review
examinations
and
assessments
administered
pursuant
to
chapter
390,
testing
of
pupils
and
graduation
of
the
nevada,
revised
statutes
for
their
educational
benefit,
cost
and
redundancy
in
information
skills
or
abilities
measured.
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
390
dot
800
includes
district-based
testing,
so
senate
bill
353
includes
any
district-based
testing
within
the
scope
of
testing
that
the
nevada
department
of
ed
is
required
to
review
in
addition
to
state
or
federally
mandated
examinations
or
assessments.
C
Section
3.5
provides
general
fund
appropriations
to
the
nevada
department
of
ed
to
fund
these
costs
related
to
the
contract
services
and
the
adoption
of
regulations
to
carry
out
the
provisions
of
the
bill,
and
with
that
it
includes
my
part
of
the
presentation,
and
this
bill
has
been
heard
in
senate
education
and
senate
finance,
and
so
now
we
are
here
for
your
review
and
I
would
like
to
call
the
nevada
department
of
ed
up
so
that,
if
you
have
any
questions
you
may
address
both
of
us.
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
B
Thank
you
and
I
really
appreciate
this
piece
of
legislation.
Obviously
I've
seen
you
know
just
how
many
assessments
we're
doing
in
the
classroom,
and
so
I
think
it's
great
that
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
make
sure
we're
not
taking
too
many
days
out
of
our
instructional
period
of
time,
because
it's
so
important,
I'm
just
wondering
which
assessments
this
is
applicable
to.
D
Jonathan
moore
for
the
record,
assemblywoman
taurus,
so
as
the
bill
outlines,
it's
all
the
assessments
that
are
pursuant
to
this
particular
chapter,
which
includes
our
summative
assessments.
What
we
do
know
is
that,
outside
of
our
required
assessments,
many
educators
administer
assessments
that
are
in
tangent
or
in
preparation
for
those
summative
assessments.
So
it'd
be
important
to
get
that
inventory
as
well,
in
order
to
have
an
accurate
determination
or
picture
of
how
many
minutes
the
cost
and
some
of
the
other
factors
that
are
outlined
in
the
bill.
E
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
thank
you
to
senator
donderol
loop
and
dr
moore.
E
You
as
well
as
everyone
who's
listening
in
the
state
has
heard
me
along
these
lines
for
years
now
and
again,
it
did
start
with
senator
woodhouse's
bill
back
in
17
and
when
that
inventory
came
back
again.
Sadly,
it
really
just
addressed
the
the
test,
whether
you
want
to
refer
to
them
as
a
standardized
test,
summative
test,
but
just
so
that
everyone
understands
the
type
we're
not
talking
about
classroom
and
teacher
chapter
tests
and
unit
tests.
E
It
only
came
back
with
those
that
the
state
required,
and
so
we
see
the
challenge
as
senator
don
darrell
loop
mentioned.
Is
that
it's
the
additional
test-
and
I
know
I
was
in
a
meeting
and
with
our
superintendent
of
our
school
district
when
talking
about
there's
a
certain
amount
of
tests
required
by
the
federal
government
by
the
state,
and
then
there
was
test
in
addition
to
that
required
by
the
district,
and
then
there
were
tests
that
were
going
on
in
schools.
E
In
addition
to
that,
and
and
when
I
asked
a
question-
and
I
had
a
school-
do
an
inventory
for
me
and
they
actually
had
13
additional
assessments
and
diagnostics
that
were
occurring
in
addition
to
what
the
district
was
requiring,
which
was
already
extra
of
what
the
state
and
the
feds
were
requiring.
I
I
will.
E
I
will
give
you
a
you
know,
a
mild
compliment
that
the
state
doesn't
and
doesn't
actually
require
as
many
as
everyone
thinks,
and
so
again,
as
my
colleague
mentioned
the
time,
the
money,
the
stress
again,
this
is
one
of
these
issues
that
the
three
of
us
all
agree
on
parents,
educators
and
students.
All
agree
that
and
again
it's
not
saying
that
we
don't
think
there
should
be
any
type
of
testing.
E
E
My
question
is:
is
what
kind
of
accountability
measures
are
there
and
again
for
everyone
that
wasn't
aware?
This
is
coming
out
of
interim
ed,
something
that
we
reviewed
extensively
as
well,
an
interim
committee,
but
what
kind
of
time
frame
and
what
kind
of
accountability
do
you
see
being
able
to
put
in
place
from
this?
What
you
know,
because
we
know
that
and
also
even
by
statute
the
boards
boards
of
trustees
are
supposed
to
be
reviewing
these
things
annually
and
have
the
ability
to
reduce
them.
E
D
Jonathan
moore
for
the
record
vice
chair
miller,
thank
you
for
the
question.
So
once
the
exercises
concluded
of
the
inventory
and
gathering
the
actual
report
for
recommendations,
I
see
two
avenues.
D
The
first
avenue
is
to
come
to
the
interim
committee
to
present
our
findings
and
I
think,
as
the
legislation
calls
for
then
there's
the
development
of
regulations
which,
in
and
of
itself
that
process
is
very
public,
creates
an
opportunity
for
stakeholder
engagement
and
also
an
opportunity
for
the
state
board
of
education
to
weigh
in
in
terms
of
what
I
hope
will
come
from
the
process.
And
what
about
what
I
believe
will
come.
D
I
will
be
we
get
to
a
place
where
we're
able
to
actually
make
recommendations
and
establish
a
balanced
assessment
system
across
the
state,
and
so
within
that
balanced
assessment
system.
We
have
clear
definitions
of
the
different
types
of
assessment,
clear
definition
for
regarding
the
data
that
each
type
of
assessment
yields
and
how
that
can
be
used,
as
well
as
limits
for
assessments
regarding
time,
possibly,
recommendations
regarding
cost.
E
And
with
that,
as
well,
when
it
comes
to
time,
because
that's
another
challenge
that
we've
discussed
about
is
that
the
companies
say
what
time
the
amount
of
time
they
believe
that
each
test
takes,
and
I
know
one
in
particular-
I
always
use
because
the
company
says
it
takes
60
minutes
and
pretty
much.
Every
educator
and
student
tells
you
it
takes
about
four
to
five
times
that
amount.
D
Jonathan
moore
for
the
record
vice
chair
miller,
so
to
your
first
question
with
regarding.
With
regard
to
time,
I
do
believe
that
there
is
room
to
work
with
whatever
partner
is
selected,
to
ensure
that's
incorporated
in
the
methodology
for
the
data
collection
to
get
an
accurate
assessment
from
educators
regarding
the
amount
of
time
they're
actually
expending,
and
that's
actually
a
good
data
point
of
comparison
versus
what
some
of
those
tests
may
suggest.
D
By
way
of
time.
To
your
second
question,
I
think
part
of
what
will
come
from
the
regulatory
process.
As
I
mentioned
stakeholder
engagement,
I
will
be
a
list
of
recommendations
for
things
such
as
time
things
such
as
the
number
of
assessment.
I
don't
view
my
apologies.
C
C
Those
are
the
decisions
you
make.
You
may
love
this
evaluation
over
here,
but
if
you
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
time,
you
either
have
to
work
with
that
company
to
say
we
can't
afford
this
kind
of
time
or
you
may
choose
another
avenue
based
on
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
take
as
much
time,
but
it
will
give
you
that
same
amount
of
information.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair,
and
I,
when
you
were
talking
about
the
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
it
just
made
me
think
of
it
in
in
my
world
how,
when
you're
working
on
something
and
with
a
private
vendor
and
then
a
lot
of
times,
you'll
get
like
a
little
survey
at
the
end
to
ask
you
know
how
your
experience
was,
and
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
know
if
we
could
do
something
where
we
could
get
that
information,
you
know
and
be
able
to
construct
it
somehow.
C
Marilyn
donderolu
from
the
record,
I
can
only
speak
from
the
from
the
vendor
world.
If
you
will,
I
do
know
that
when
rfps
are
put
out
and
decisions
are
made
on
those,
those
kinds
of
things
are
always
asked.
I
don't
know
that
they
need
to
be
within
the
actual
legislation,
because
those
things
are
almost
always
asked.
C
I
don't
care
if
you
buy
a
biology
book
or
purchase
a
test
or
have
a
professional
development
training
for
teachers,
there's
always
some
kind
of
a
review
at
the
end.
That
says
you
know.
How
did
you
like
this
and
why.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much
sharon.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
I
will
apologize
if
I'm
totally
missing
it.
My
eyes
are
just
going
blurry
this
time
of
session
doesn't
matter
if
my
glasses
are
on
or
off,
but
I'm
seeing
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
beginning
of
the
bill
of
what
you'll
be
assessing
and
developing
regulations,
the
cost
of
of
doing
the
assessment
and
then
the
reversion
to
state
general
funds,
but
I'm
not
finding
how
long
you
have
to
complete
the
review
and
make
the
recommendations.
D
Jonathan
well
for
the
record,
assemblywoman
gorlo,
and
so
under
the
based
on
section
3.5,
the
cost
distribution.
We
anticipate
that
it
would.
The
inquiry
would
occur
over
the
biennium,
and
so
obviously
sooner
would
be
preferable
on
the
earliest
that
we
could
I'll
receive
that
information,
but
it
would
occur
over
the
biennium
would
be
the
plan.
B
Thank
you
and
I
apologize.
If
you
answered
this,
I
was
trying
to
look
it
up,
but
you
had
talked
about
the
assessments,
including
teacher
assessments,
and
so
are
those
the
teacher
like
created
assessments
and
I'm
not
really
sure
how,
and
maybe
you
could
explain
how
nde
would
accurately
accurately
determine
like
incorporate
these
assessments
that
teachers
are
doing.
I
guess
in
their
classroom,
based
on
their
curriculum
and
how
that
would
be
incorporated
on
this,
like
are
the
teachers
submitting
their
assessments
to
nde
or
how
does
that
work?.
D
Jonathan
moore
for
the
record,
assemblywoman
win.
So
regarding
the
methodology
for
gathering
that
information,
I
believe
part
of
it
would
have
to
entail
an
actual
survey
within
each
of
our
school
districts.
Regarding
that
specific
information,
and
so
part
of
the
methodology
would
have
to
include
regarding
a
specific
district
which
assessments
are
administered
and
for
what
purpose?
I
imagine
part
of
the
methodology,
may
involve
a
survey
of
teachers
or,
if
not
a
sample
of
the
teachers
in
a
specific
setting
across
multiple
grade
levels
or
content
areas.
D
B
I
I
just
had
some
concerns
that
it
was
not
a
situation
where,
if
you
had
like
you
know,
let's
say
you
had
a
school
with
like
four
or
fifth
grade
teachers
and
they
all
had
slightly
different,
like
assessments
in
their
classrooms,
and
then
they
had
an
assessment
for
their
like
school
and
their
team,
and
then
there
was
one
in
the
district
and
we
had
like
a
thousand
different
assessments
that
we
were
using
and
requiring
people
to
like
submit.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
wasn't
the
case.
C
So
marilyn
dondero
loop
for
the
record
and
I'll
answer
that,
from
the
teacher's
point
of
view,
almost
always
when
you're
in
a
classroom
setting
you
have
something
you're
following.
Even
if
you
are
an
english
teacher
that
is
using
novels
in
a
high
school
english
class,
you
have
some
sort
of
guidelines
that
you're
following,
and
I
would
tell
you
that
in
all
the
years
that
I
taught
I
we
always
sort
of
did
the
same
things
in
grade
levels
or
departments
that
I
worked
with
in
so
it
would.
C
It
would
be
highly
unlikely
that
you
would
have
four
second
grade
teachers
that
all
did
four
second
different
sets
of
spelling
words
on
friday,
right
or
you'd
had
social
studies,
teachers
in
middle
school
who
were
not
working
together,
so
you're
generally
working
on
units
and
you're
oftentimes,
using
a
vendor-supplied
classroom
textbook
or
some
kind
of
information
off
of
the
internet
where
you're
following
some
tor,
we
have
standards
and
we
have
benchmarks
that
are
developed
by
the
state
department
of
education.
So
it's
not
just
this
random.
I'm
doing
this
because
I
want
to
do
it.
C
F
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
first
let
me
just
say
thank
you.
Thank
you,
thank
you
and
yes
and
amen
to
bring
this
forward,
because
I
do
know
that
this
has
been
a
conversation
for
so
many
years
and
principals
and
teachers
and
parents
and
kids,
and
you
know,
I
echoed
the
sentiment
of
the
vice
chair,
that
this
is
something
that
has
general
agreement
across
the
board.
F
I
think
the
only
thing
that
I
would
just
add
to
it
is,
and
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
written
into
the
statute,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
ask
it
on
the
record.
Is
there
also
going
to
be
in
the
formulation
of
these
recommendations
and
analysis
of
other
states
and
and
how
you
know
where
they
limit
and
and
what
what
their
recommendations
or
regulations
are
around
the
number
of
assessments
that
they,
they
typically
utilize.
C
Marilyn
dondero
loop
for
the
record
I'll,
give
you
the
layman's
answer
and
then
I'll
let
dr
moore
continue,
but
I
would
tell
you
that
this
state
department
and
their
leadership
has
got
an
exorbitant
amount
of
national
work
behind
them.
We
are
very,
very
lucky
to
have
this
leadership
and
with
that
being
said,
I
don't
think
anything
that
we
do
in
education
doesn't
ever
go
by
without
us
asking
which
state
does
it
the
best.
C
So
I
would
say
that
absolutely
will
happen,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
I
would
say
that
we're
always
compared
in
every
data
book
that
you
know
anybody
has
ever
created
known
across
the
entire
united
states
world
and
beyond.
So
there
will
be
lots
of
comparisons
along
the
way
and-
and
I
and
I
think
it
bears
repeating
that
some
of
these
assessments
are
federal,
res
assessments
that
are
required,
and
so
those
federal
assessments
that
are
required
will
stay
in
place.
I
mean
those
are
not
things
that
we
can
just
say.
A
Okay,
I
had
a
question
on
section
three
subsection,
two
that
talks
about
if
a
board
of
trustees
or
a
governing
body
of
a
charter
school
requesting
a
waiver
to
exceed
the
limit,
I'm
just
not
from
it,
I
don't.
I
know
we
don't
have
anyone
from
the
state
board,
but
I
don't
know,
dr
moore,
if
you
can
discuss
what
that
looks
like.
D
Jonathan
more
for
the
record,
madam
chair,
so
in
my
mind,
based
on
what's
written,
that
would
be
developed
through
the
regulatory
process.
So
through
the
regulatory
process,
the
department
worked
with
the
state
board
to
establish
one
what
the
waiver
would
look
like
the
information
that
would
be
necessary.
What
an
approval
process
would
look
like.
Some
of
the
considerations
that
would
need
to
transpire
would
be
based
upon
the
recommendations
that
stem
from
this
inquiry.
A
And
thank
you
for
that.
My
concern
is
that
some
populations
might
get
sucked
up
in
that,
whether
it
be
ell
or
additional
services.
Things
like
that,
and
so
I
just
which
is
a
concern
to
me-
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
very
clear
on
the
right.
I
guess
I'm
not
really
understanding
who
would
what
is
you
in
your
mind?
Who
who,
who
are
the
folks
that
would
request
additional
assessments.
D
Potentially
they
may
want
to
pilot
another
assessment
if
they
believe
one
assessment
is
not
meeting
their
needs,
they
may
want
to
pilot
an
additional
assessment
simultaneously
in
order
to
gauge
if
the
one
they
have
is
great
or
if
there
is
something
better
that
could
be
a
world
in
which
that
a
waiver
excuse
me
would
be
requested.
A
D
Is
that
correct
jonathan
were
for
the
record
to
the
madam
chair.
That
would
be
my
estimation.
B
Comment,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
senator
don
darrell
loop
and
dr
moore
for
bringing
this
bill
when
talking
to
constituents.
The
one
thing
I
hear
from
teachers
and
parents
is
too
much
test
taking
too
much
assessments.
So
thank
you.
A
Reading,
okay,
any
other
questions.
A
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
chris
daley
nevada
state
education
association.
First,
I
have
to
break
the
news
to
you.
The
first
116
days
of
this
legislative
session
was
actually
preparation
for
all
legislators.
To
take
the
s
back
starting
tonight,
going
through
monday
will
be
a
big
pizza
party
monday
night
when
we're
through
the
testing
seriously
nsca
supports
sb
353,
requiring
the
department
of
education
to
review
student
assessments.
G
This
has
been
a
top
concern
of
many
classroom,
educators,
shifting
the
focus
away
from
learning
towards
a
culture
of
high
stakes,
testing
we've
been
working
for
a
number
of
years.
On
this
issue,
I
got
to
present
sb
303
that
you
mentioned
with
then
senator
woodhouse
to
require
the
testing
audit
and
then
also
asking
the
department
to
make
recommendations
around
streamlining.
G
While
the
bill
was
passed
with
bipartisan
support,
we
hate
to
say
that
you
know
the
department
did
not
move.
This
was
under
old.
Leadership
did
not
move
as
expeditiously
as
we
hoped.
The
audit
was
completed
more
than
a
year
after
its
due
date,
which
did
hamstring
that
legislative
session
in
terms
of
making
and
implementing
recommendations.
G
The
audit
did
contain
some
interesting
information
about
the
time.
Educators
spend
administering
assessments.
84
percent
of
the
state's
district
test
directors
at
the
time
stated
that
too
much
time
was
spent
on
the
smarter,
balanced
assessment
or
the
s
back.
Responses
from
those
responsible
for
administration
of
assessments
highlighted
the
continued
need
to
streamline
these
assessments,
and
then
in
the
focus
groups
and
in
surveys
of
classroom
educators.
The
responses
were
even
less
kind
to
standardized
testing.
G
We
don't
want
to
acknowledge
that
some
changes
have
been
made
over
the
last
several
years,
including
you
know,
for
example,
the
enough
course
exams,
but
more
needs
to
be
done.
Sb
353
would
require
the
department
to
look
at
the
benefits,
costs
and
any
inefficiencies
in
student
assessments
and
adopt
regulations
to
prescribe
limits
on
the
time
and
number
of
assessments.
G
A
A
A
I
see
where
this
is
headed.
We
will
close
the
testimony
in
opposition
and
open
testimony
in
neutral.
We
do
not
have
anyone
in
the
room
and
we
do
not
have
anyone
zoom
and
we
sounds
like
we
don't
have
anyone
on
the
phone
line
either.
Is
that
correct.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
committee,
and
I'd
just
like
to
close
with.
I
urge
your
support
of
senate
bill
353,
which
seeks
to
maximize
instructional
time
for
our
students
and
reduce
the
burden
of
excessive
testing
and
support
our
state
department
of
education
in
ensuing
this
task.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
We
do
have
bills
that
we
will
probably
be
work
sessioning,
but
I
just
don't
know
when
and
we
also
could
receive
a
bill
as
well,
so
we
will
be
seeing
each
other.
I
I
believe
at
least
one
more
time
for
work
session,
possibly
to
hear
a
bill
depending
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
more
thing.
A
Several
of
us
are
wearing
gray
because
it
is
wear
gray
for
brain
cancer,
brain
tumor
awareness
day,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
all
those
inflicted
and
the
family
members
survivors
of
of
a
terrible
terrible
disease.
So
I
will
possibly
see
you
tomorrow,
possibly
saturday,
possibly
sunday,
who
knows
and
that's
it.
This
committee's.