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A
A
A
Thank
you
for
those
of
you
joining
us
in
person
today,
always
an
honor
to
have
folk
here
present
for
those
of
you
who
are
following
along
and
would
like
some
type
of
guidance
in
terms
of
how
we
intend
to
proceed.
We
do
have
three
items
and
we'll
better
set
four
items
on
the
agenda.
Three
bill
hearings,
followed
by
public
comment:
we're
going
to
do
first
senate
bill
311,
followed
by
senate
bill
360
and
then
lastly,
senate,
bill
72
and
then
at
the
very
end,
we'll
do
public
comment.
A
I
want
to
remind
everybody
to
please
remain
respectful
and
for
those
of
you
who
intend
to
present
today,
please
state
your
name
for
the
record
after
each
question.
That
is
not
to
help
us,
but
rather
to
help
our
staff,
who
are
taking
minutes
and
you'll
make
their
life
a
lot
easier.
So
I
thank
you
in
advance
for
doing
that
and
with
that
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
open
up
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
311.
I
do
see
senator
ratty
here
good
morning,
senator
welcome
to
your
committee
on
government
affairs
whenever
you're
ready.
C
Good
morning
assembly
committee
on
government
affairs,
chair
flores
and
the
entire
team,
my
name
is
senator
julia
ratty
and
I
represent
senate
district
13,
which
is
in
northern
nevada
and
is
sort
of
the
middle
of
washoe
county.
If
you
will,
I
kind
of
have
the
downtowns
of
reno
and
sparks
and
that
general
urban
core
of
that
area,
I'm
very
I'm
almost
giddy
to
be
here,
because
this
is
my
first
in-person
hearing
presenting
a
bill
in
the
assembly,
and
it
is
so
very
good
to
see
you
all.
C
It
feels
like
it's
a
small
step
back
towards
some
level
of
normalcy,
so
excited
to
be
here.
I
know
by
day
81
in
the
session
that
you
have
already
heard
a
significant
amount
about
affordable
housing,
and
so
I
left
behind
my
200-page
powerpoint
deck
that
has
all
the
data
about
affordable
housing,
because
I
believe
at
this
point
in
the
session
that
you
know
that
the
state
of
nevada
suffers
from
a
tremendous
shortage
of
affordable
housing.
C
So
I'm
going
to
spare
you
all
that
I
hope
you
don't
hold
it
against
me
that
I
am
not
doing
that,
but
just
to
remem.
As
a
reminder.
The
situation
is
particularly
dire
for
our
extremely
low-income
nevadans,
where
there's
as
few
as
we
have
21
000
units
that
were
short
in
the
state
of
nevada
when
you're
talking
about
somebody
who's
living
at
50
ami
and
then,
of
course,
what
happens?
C
In
this
case,
this
one's
a
little
counter-intuitive,
because
what
this
does
is
just
for
the
rural
housing
authority,
allow
them
to
get
into
the
space
of
building
market
rate
housing,
and
that
may
seem
like
a
strange
concept
right.
Why
would
we
want
one
of
our
key
partners
who
does
affordable
housing
to
be
able
to
build
market
rate?
C
And
the
solution
that
is
presented
in
this
bill
is
the
ability
to
build
some
market
rate
units
where
the
profits
from
those
units
could
help
to
to
support
some
of
the
lower
income
units
and
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
developer
in
those
communities
that
is
taking
care
of
that
80
percent
ami
and
that
100
percent
ami,
and
not
just
building
luxury
luxury
housing.
Because
the
mission
of
the
nevada
role,
housing
authority
is
to
make
sure
that
there's
housing
for
everybody.
C
So
this
is
a
trusted
partner,
giving
them
a
tool
that
allows
them
to
build
those
for-profit
units
so
that
they
can
have
that
tool
in
their
tool
belt.
I
think
the
other
unique
situation
that
you'll
hear
from
is
often
in
these
rural
communities.
We'll
have
one
employer
come
in
and
they'll
they'll
go
big
and
let's
just
take
the
example
of
a
mine.
C
If
that
employer
isn't
able
to
build
some
housing,
what
happens
is
when
there's
this
influx
of
new
people
that
come
in?
They
push
the
existing
residents
who
are
in
affordable
units
out
of
those
units
or
the
cost
of
those
units
goes
up
significantly
because
supply
and
demand
has
changed
significantly
in
that
community,
and
so,
if
we
can
work
with
those
those
entities
to
build
housing
at
the
time
they
come
in,
so
that
they're
not
pushing
others
out
of
housing.
That
is
also
a
strategy.
A
A
D
Good
morning
this
is
katie
coleman
for
the
record
and
bill
brewer
is
actually
going
to
speak.
First.
E
There
we
go.
Hopefully
you
can
hear
me
now
appreciate
the
this
opportunity
bill
brewer
for
the
record.
E
I
want
to
thank
you,
chair,
flores
and
vice
chair
tortoise,
and
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
hold
the
hearing
today,
especially
appreciate
senator
ratty
for
her
sponsoring
sb
311
and
for
her
tremendous
work
for
affordable
housing
in
the
state
of
nevada.
We
really
do
appreciate
all
her
efforts.
E
E
E
E
It
brings
the
definition
of
affordable
housing
into
alignment
with
the
definitions
that
were
promulgated
in
the
last
legislative
session,
to
mean
that
housing
is
affordable
to
tier
1,
tier
2
or
tier
3.
Households
in
sections
three
and
four,
the
term
business
entity
is
revised
to
include
a
for-profit
corporation
nrha
being
able
to
construct
or
operate
a
housing
project
for
profit,
and-
and
we
realize
that
in
the
nonprofit
and
government
world
profit
is
not
a
good
word,
but
it's
it's
describes
what
we're
trying
to
do.
E
The
2019
session
helped
us
define,
affordable
housing.
Sb
311
puts
these
affordable
housing
tiers
into
action
and
allows
our
agency
to
align
our
work
to
best
serve
those
tiers
tier
one.
Affordability
is
defined
as
household
incomes
of
not
more
than
60
of
the
area.
Median
income
for
the
county
in
which
the
housing
is
located.
E
E
D
There
we
go
my
apologies
here.
I
am
okay,
katie
coleman
for
the
record.
Okay,
a
little
bit
about
our
history.
Nrha
is
approaching
its
50th
year
in
operation
in
serving
rural
nevadans.
Nrha
was
actually
nevada's.
First
public
housing
agency
or
pha
created
in
1973,
and
a
lot
has
evolved
for
our
agency.
Since
then,
we
are
considered
a
local
government
agency.
D
We
have
a
board
of
commissioners
composed
of
individuals
who
are
appointed
by
either
the
nevada
league
of
cities
or
the
nevada
association
of
counties,
and
our
agency's
evolution
has
really
centered
around
the
expansion
of
our
program
offerings.
Each
program
inception
is
outlined
here
in
this
in
this
timeline
here,
but
I'm
going
to
dig
into
just
a
couple
of
the
the
highlights
today.
Our
variety
of
mission-driven
programs
really
focus
on
the
spectrum
of
housing
from
homeless
to
home
buyer,
for
example.
D
The
home
at
last
program
has
delivered
affordable
home
ownership
opportunities
to
nine
thousand
and
a
few
more
since
we
made
this
presentation-
rural
nevada,
family
since
2006-
and
we
do
this
through
a
couple
mechanisms
down
payment
assistance
options,
mortgage
credit,
certificates,
home
buyer,
education
and
training
to
really
ensure
that
responsible,
homeownership
is,
is
part
of
what
we
offer
rental
services.
We
deliver
the
housing
choice,
voucher
program
that
impacts
2000,
plus
rural
nevada
renters.
D
We
are
honored
to
be
an
agency
that
was
selected
by
the
state
of
nevada
to
help
administer
the
covet
related
emergency
rental
assistance
fund
branded
as
chap
in
rural
nevada.
We've
done
that
since
july,
and
we
have
helped
assist
more
than
600
renter
households
far
more
than
a
thousand.
At
this
point
instances
of
continuing
assistance
thus
far
and
our
real
estate
operations,
we
manage
612
multi-family
units
on
13
property
sites,
plus
seven
single-family
rentals
throughout
rural
nevada.
D
Nearly
all
of
those
tenants
are
below
that
50
ami
and
in
addition,
we
are
a
grantee
of
the
weatherization
and
home
repair
program
which
ensures
safe,
healthy
energy,
efficient
homes
for
low-income
households
in
carson
churchill,
douglas
lyon
story.
North
las
vegas
and
northern
rural
clark,
and
then
our
community
development
arm
of
the
organization
is
really
responsible
for
those
ground-up
developments
throughout
rural
nevada.
We
also
work
with
rural
communities
to
help
find
those
opportunities
for
rehabilitation
preservation
of
those
existing
units,
and
this
process
is
tip
to
tail
for
us
involving
project
design
and
planning
funding.
D
Of
course,
as
part
of
that
and
construction
project
management,
our
development
decisions
certainly
don't
happen
in
a
bubble
and
we
so
value
the
relationships
that
we
have
with
our
rural
cities
and
counties
who
really
want
that
understanding
of
their
housing
needs
and
then
work
together
to
find
those
best
solutions.
A
E
Now
anyone
in
housing
knows
that
it's
not
inexpensive
to
develop
and
federal
assistance
gives
developers
in
nevada
just
enough
to
build
a
few
hundred
units
per
year
and
that's
really
part
of
our
major
problem.
The
resources
that
are
available
to
the
state
are
completely
utilized,
which
is
great.
There
just
aren't
enough
of
those
to
build
what
we
need
for
every
project.
We
have
to
be
creative
in
how
these
projects
pencil,
so
that
we
can
ensure
we
always
build
quality
housing
for
the
people
we
serve.
E
Sb
311
would
allow
nrha
to
use
proceeds
from
market
rate
units
to
reinvest
in
housing
opportunities
for
the
spectrum
of
incomes.
Just
as
an
example,
the
property
might
have
80
percent
of
its
units
at
market
rate
and
20
percent
of
its
units
at
a
rent
that
is
affordable
and
reserved
for
qualifying
low-income
households.
E
Sb
311
will
also
allow
nrha
to
work
with
local
industry
to
help
bring
needed
housing
to
rural
communities.
As
an
example,
nrha
could
work
with
new
mines
to
develop
housing
for
incoming
employee
households,
who
might
otherwise
drive
lower
income
households
out
of
the
market,
and
this
bill
will
also
clarify
that
nrha
is
allowed
to
work
through
for-profit
entities
commonly
in
llc
to
conduct
its
development
and
management
business.
E
C
A
I
think
we're
good
for
now.
Thank
you,
we'll
start
off
with
questions
and
we'll
start
off
with
assemblywomen
brown
made.
Please.
F
F
First,
I
think
the
solution
is
creative
and
insightful
and
that
market
rate
units
can
help
to
not
only
fund
that
outcome
that
you're
trying
to
achieve,
but
include
an
at-risk
population.
And
so
really
my
question
is
about
when
we
develop.
When
we
look
at
developing
a
new
community
of
market
rate
units,
would
we
see
that
there
is
a
percentage
of
units
that
would
be
set
aside
to
within
that
community
in
and
of
itself
to
meet
the
needs
of
people?
Who
would
not
be
at
that
area?
Median
income
right?
C
Thank
you,
julia
ready
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
Assemblywoman
brownmay,
through
you,
chair
flores
to
the
assembly,
woman.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
it,
so
it's
it's
a
fantastic
question
and-
and
I
appreciate
the
the
spirit
behind
it,
because
I
the
ideal
solution
for
affordable
housing
is
integration
right,
but
like
the
world
that
we
all
want
to
see
is
not
like
here's
a
stack
of
housing,
that
is
for
those
people
and
here's
a
stack
of
housing,
that
is
for
those
people
and
here's
a
stack
of
housing.
C
That's
for
those
people
and
as
our
society
is
aging,
as
you
point
out,
not
wanting
to
have,
as
perhaps
a
person
stops
working
and
their
either
their
income
level
or
their
ability
declines
that
now
they
have
to
move
from
this
stack
of
housing
to
this
stack
of
housing
that
disconnects
them
from
the
community
that
they've
developed.
That's
the
ideal
in
our
current
system,
where
we
use
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
to
build
affordable
units.
C
C
It's
in
northern
nevada
by
the
summit
mall,
if
you're
ever
out
and
about-
and
it's
because
the
the
nuance,
so
those
projects
are
built
with
a
stack
of
funding
streams
that
come
with
a
stack
of
restrictions
and
the
nuances
of
building
a
pro
forma
for
a
housing,
development
and
stacking.
All
those
funding
streams,
plus
putting
market
rate
in
to
make
it
actually
pencil
for
a
developer,
to
be
able
to
bring
that
out
of
the
ground
is
very
tricky
and
only
one
has
been
able
to
tackle
it.
C
So
the
nature
of
this
program
is
that
getting
that
a
little
bit
more
flexible
funding
stream
available
to
be
able
to
be
more
creative
to
do
that.
So,
if
the
nevada
housing
rural
housing
authority
is
able
to
generate
revenue
off
of
market
rate
housing
that
market
rate
housing
revenue
would
be
more
traditional
to
any
business
where
the
income
that
comes
in
is
generally,
you
can
use
more
strategically
right
because
it
doesn't
come
with
all
these
either
federal
street
strings
or
donor
strings,
if
you're
in
a
philanthropic
world,
and
that
income
can
be
used
more
strategically.
C
It
is
going
to
look
very
different
in
every
community
based
on
what's
already
on
the
ground.
What
the
need
is
what
the
resources
are,
what
land
can
be
purchased,
what
labor
is
available,
so
there's
nothing
in
this
bill
that
drives
towards
that
integration,
but
it
does
give
them
more
flexible,
strategic
funding
to
be
able
to
achieve
it
when
the
opportunity
presents
and
the
need
is
there.
That
was
a
long
answer,
but
that's
the
honest
answer.
E
Money
and
he'll
build
a
project.
And
of
course,
those
investors
are
for-profit
entities
that
serve
other
for-profit
entities
that
need
tax
breaks
like
big
banks
and
big
corporations,
and
so
that's
how
equity
flows
into
these
projects
through
tax
credits.
In
this
case
and
it's
hard
to
say
exactly
how
these
might
develop
over
time.
E
F
A
Future,
thank
you
assemblywoman
for
your
question
members
just
so
that
we
all
have
clarity
in
the
queue
of
questions.
I
have
assemblywoman
consonant
followed
by
assemblyman
ellison
and
then
followed
by
assemblywoman
black.
If
anybody
else
has
a
question,
please
let
me
know
so
we
can
get
you
in
the
cube.
Please
assemblywoman
consonant
please.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
senator
ratty
and
mr
brewer
and
miss
coleman,
it's
great
to
see
an
affordable
housing
bill
and
wonderful
to
see
that
we're
trying
to
solve
a
problem
in
as
many
different
ways
as
it
needs
to
be
solved.
My
question
is
kind
of
straightforward
with
this.
The
for-profit
entity
partnership
arrangement
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
nevada,
rural
housing
authority
will
retain
any
rights
and
responsibilities
to
if
there's
any
actions,
any
construction
problems.
E
Thank
you
senator
bill
brewer
for
the
record
great
question,
and
yes,
we
would
retain
that
responsibility
for
those
projects
that
are
developed
on
this
kind
of
a
basis
and
would
anticipate
always
being
the
managing
member
of
that
group
in
order
to
make
sure
the
project
meets
the
the
needs
that
we're
looking
for.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
welcome
senator
I've
got
a
different
outlook
on
on
housing.
Based
on
my
area.
I
work
on
a
lot
of
the
units
like
in
italy
and
eureka
that
are
great
and
they're
they're,
so
needed
out
in
the
rural
areas.
The
problem
I've
got
right
now
and
I'll
be
right
out
front
because
of
housing
and
what's
happened.
We've
we've
have
so
many
people
that
lost
their
life
savings
because
of
the
pandemic,
the
pen
tanning.
But
what
happened
was
as
these
people
call
it
said,
no
more
rent,
you
couldn't
pay
rent.
H
You
and
the
government
didn't
step
up.
They've
lost
everything
they
own
they've
lost
their
life.
Savings
they're
lost
their
homes,
they
lost
their
cars,
they've
lost
everything.
So,
as
is
this
money
come
available
that
they
could
get
in
to
help
offset
that
never
happened,
they
did
a
million
dollars.
Ninety
percent
of
it
went
to
vegas
which
they
needed,
but
the
rules
got
stuck
now.
These
these
rental
units
are
all
up
for
sale.
H
So
you
can
have
two
years
with
no
payments,
so
this
is
a
real
problem
and
these
people
had
low
low
rents
in
90
of
these,
like
in
wells
nevada,
I
mean
real
low,
rent
500
600
a
month
with
utilities
now
they've
lost
everything
they
own
and
and
and
housing
could
have
stepped
up
to
the
place
in
nevada
and
they
did
not
when
they
kept
applying
for
the
the
loans
and
the
and
to
help.
H
H
I
hope
you
can
see
where
my
frustrations
coming
from,
because
it's
bad
and
nevada
housing
could
have
stepped
up
to
the
place
and
at
least
tried
to
help
save
some
of
the
older
people,
and
that
didn't
happen,
and
I
don't
care
what
they
say.
I've
watched
these
people
lose
everything
they
own
everything.
C
Chair
floors,
I'd
be
happy
to
respond
to
that.
I
I
don't
know
that
it
is
directly
to
the
intent
of
this
bill,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
it,
so
julia
ratty,
senate
district
13
for
the
record,
so,
mr
ellison.
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
your
frustration
or
some
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
mean
assemblyman
ellison
I
wanted
to.
I
want
to
acknowledge
your
frustration.
C
Certainly,
the
state
of
nevada
has
experienced
endless
challenges
through
the
pandemic
and
I
am
not
here
to
dismiss
that
and
say
that
that's
not
real
housing
in
particular,
has
been
an
incredible
challenge
during
the
pandemic,
when
the
public
health
response
has
resulted
in
a
devastating
impact
to
our
economy
and
that
balancing
of
our
citizens,
health,
physical
health
with
their
economic
health,
has
been
what
I
would
call
a
sophie's
choice
right.
There
is
no
perfect
answer
to
that
and
I
think
we
have
all
struggled
with
that.
C
I
have
been
able
to
see
where
the
money
has
been
coming
in
from
the
federal
government
and
where
the
money
has
been
distributed
from
the
federal
government
in
order
to
do
the
rental
assistance,
and
I
will
say
that,
like
many
programs,
we
are
endlessly
grateful
for
the
extra
resources
that
we
got
prior
to
this
last
election
and
following
this
last
election
across
bipartisan
administrations,
to
make
sure
that
rental
assistance
got
into
the
hands
of
individuals
so
that
they
could
maintain
their
homes
and
so
that
they
could
pay
their
rent
so
that
those
landlords
would
get
some
relief
as
well.
C
And
was
it
perfect?
It
absolutely
was
not,
but
from
the
seat
that
I
was
sitting
and
I
got
to
see
it
come
in.
I
got
to
see
how
it
was
distributed,
and
what
I
will
say
is
that
nevada
rural
housing
authority
was
the
most
efficient,
the
most
leaning
in
about
taking
the
resources
that
they
had
available
with
the
rules
that
were
put
on
those
resources
by
the
federal
government
and
getting
those
resources
into
the
hands
of
rural
nevadans.
Who
needed
them.
C
Were
there
enough
resources
that
every
situation
could
be
addressed?
Absolutely
not
were
the
resources
flexible
enough
so
that
every
situation
could
be
addressed
absolutely
not,
but
I
am
100
confident
that
nevada
rural
housing
authority
leaned
in
with
the
resources
that
they
had
available
with
the
strings
that
they
had
attached
and
did
the
very
best
they
could
by
the
most
people
that
they
could
and
real
nevadans
in
real
rural
communities
got
rental
assistance
that
kept
them
in
their
homes
and
got
to
landlords
that
stabilized
their
situation.
C
That's
just
a
fact:
did
it
get
to
every
person
in
every
community
that
was
needed
absolutely
not
and
with
a
pandemic
with
an
economic
scale
at
the
level
that
we
have
experienced
in
this
nation?
There's
no
question
that
there
will
be
downstream
market
implications
and
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
human
beings
like
markets,
but
that
is
true.
We
both
we,
you
and
I
are
old
enough
to
have
lived
through
the
2008
recession
and
the
disruption
in
housing
that
happened
during
that
time
and
yes,
there's
probably
something
coming
in
our
direction.
C
That
is
a
similar
scale
during
this
recession,
but
I
don't
think
any
human
single
human,
elected
official
or
any
agency
was
going
to
be
able
to
hold
back
that
tidal
wave
based
on
this
pandemic.
So
I
hear
your
frustration.
I
think
that
it
is
not
not
unreasonable.
I
think
it
is
misplaced
by
by
focusing
it
on
nevada,
rural
housing
authority,
because
I
watched
them
lean
in.
I
saw
that
they
helped
people
and
they
wanted
to
help
more
people,
but
I
saw
that
they
did
everything
that
they
could
with
the
dollars
that
they
had.
H
H
So
I
think
there
was
it
was
a
ways
they
could
have
got
around
it
and
helped
everybody,
but
that
didn't
help
and-
and
I
know
they
were
restricted
by
law
and
how
they
did
it,
but
in
the
meantime,
that
the
damage
is
done
to
some
of
these,
these
older
people
and
they're
in
the
80s
and
90s,
and
have
no
income,
no
home
and
no
nothing.
Now
so.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
assemblyman
next,
we'll
go
to
assemblywoman
black.
F
Thank
you,
mr
speaker,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
So,
according
to
the
presentation,
we're
21
000
units
short
and
I'm
just
curious
as
a
for-profit,
basically
government
business.
What
is
the
nrha
going
to
do
differently
than
our
private
developers
are
able
to
do
that's
going
to
address
the
shortage.
C
So,
thank
you,
assemblywoman
black.
I
believe
I'm
still
going
direct
julia
ready
for
the
record.
So
it's
a
great
question
right,
like
is:
is
the
market
solution
able
to
get
us
there
and
and
how
would
this
impact
the
market
solution?
So?
First
of
all,
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
21
000
is
state-wide
and
the
vast
majority
of
those
are
in
clark,
county
and
washoe
county.
C
We
are
not
proposing
this
solution
in
clark,
county
or
washoe
county.
There
is
a
rural.
There
is
a
housing
authority
in
clark
county.
There
is
a
housing
authority
in
washoe
county
and
in
those
markets.
We
do
not
believe
that
it
is
appropriate
for
those
markets,
because
there's
a
wealth
of
developers
who
are
looking
at
housing
and
are
doing
market-based
decisions.
C
We
probably
need
to
get
more
carrots
if
you
will
more
incentives
into
place
so
that
those
those
for-profit
developers
will
have
more
reasons
to
target
their
housing
lower
in
the
income
stream
in
the
market.
So
we
need
to
work
with
our
our
for-profit
developers
to
get
more
folks
going
in
that
direction,
but
we're
not
proposing
the
solution
in
those
communities
we
are
proposing.
C
This
is
not
going
to
have
any
competitive
impact
in
communities
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
competition
to
build
housing
in
the
first
place
so
and
that
it
will
be
very
targeted
towards
making
sure
that
the
lowest
income
households
are
the
ones
that
they're
building
housing
for
based
on
the
mission,
as
opposed
to
others
who
may
come
in
where
there's
a
retirement
community,
where
we're
setting
up
a
golf
course
they're
entering
the
nevada.
C
F
C
So,
mr
brewer,
do
you
want
to
take
a
ch,
take
a
crack
at
that
one.
E
E
The
main
difference
for
us,
as
senator
eddie
so
well
explained,
is
that
we'll
go
into
the
rurals
and
do
that,
whereas
most
for-profit
developers
are
not
doing
that.
For-Profit
developers
are
busy
as
busy
as
they
can
be
in
in
the
metropolitan
areas,
and
I
applaud
them
for
that
and
they're
meeting
need
there
and
that's
a
good
thing.
There
are
for-profit
developers
in
the
tax
credit
space
who
are
applying
for
tax
credits
each
year
and
building
affordable
housing.
E
We
have.
We
have
no
desire
to
compete
with
those
folks
in
order
to
take
over
what
they're
doing
our
desire
is
simply
to
engage
in
this
type
of
housing
so
that
as
a
government
or
nonprofit
entity,
we
can
use
those
revenues
from
a
project
such
as
a
for
a
market
rate,
housing
development
and
use
those
revenues
to
support
some
lower
income
households.
C
Which
one
of
the
challenges
of
nevada
is,
of
course,
15
counties
spread
across
an
enormous
geography
rate,
with
lots
of
different
aspects
to
each
community.
So
if
the,
if
the
market
rate
developers
are
meeting
the
housing
needs
in
that
community,
rural
housing
doesn't
need
to
go
there
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
communities
where
the
means
the
needs
are
not
being
met.
F
Well,
I
can
tell
you
from
experience:
there
have
been
private
developers
that
want
to
develop
in
mesquite
and
they
haven't
been
able
to
make
it
pencil.
So
if
the
rural
nevada,
housing
authority
doesn't
have
some
other
unfair
advantage
to
compete
to
make
it
more
financially
feasible,
then
they
have
the
same
resources
as
a
private
developer
and
the
private
developer
couldn't
get
it
done.
I
don't
think
so
so
unless
you
have
something
they
can
do
different.
C
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
again
julia
ready
for
the
record
that
that
really
does
help
me
dial
in
you're
absolutely
right.
If
a
private
developer
isn't
going
to
be
able
to
make
a
pencil
and
the
nevada
rural
housing
authority
isn't
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
pencil
either.
So
there
is
no
solution
there.
C
Where,
where
the
combination
of
market
rate
units
and
tax
credits
will
work
is
when
it
will
pencil
to
build
housing
generally
and
all
the
tax
credits
do,
is
they,
if
the,
if,
let's
just
say
those
units
pencil
at
a
thousand
dollars
per
month,
just
to
use
a
nice
round
number
and
for
the
cost
of
land
and
the
cost
of
labor
and
the
cost
of
construction,
a
developer,
private
or
or
a
rural
housing
authority
can
make
that
pencil
and
they
can
make
it
pencil
at
a
thousand
dollars
per
unit?
C
What
this
would
allow
for
is,
then
that
for
a
portion
of
those
units,
they
could
overlay
the
tax
credits
that
they
get,
and
by
doing
so,
they
could
take
that
thousand
dollar
unit
and
they
can
bring
it
down
to
750
for
people
who
qualify
at
that
income
level,
because
they've
got
this
tax
credit.
That's
coming
in.
That's
allowing
them
to
do
that.
They're,
not
able
to
make
any
more
profit
off
that
unit.
C
C
C
So
julia
raddy
for
the
record.
I
would
disagree
with
that
characterization
because
they
have
a
resource
that
buys
down
the
rent
for
people
who
would
never
be
able
to
afford
those
units
anyway,
so
that
private
developer's
never
going
to
get
that
that
unit
from
that
individual
and
we're
accomplishing
the
social
good
of
making
sure
that
that
person
who
can
only
afford
750
a
month
can
have
a
unit
that
is
750
a
month.
But
there's
no
profit
there,
because
they
can't
use
any
of
that
extra
money
for
themselves.
C
F
E
Bill
brewer
for
the
record,
mr
chairman
appreciate
that
question
and
the
short
answer
is
yes:
the
property
was
donated
by
a
family,
land,
trust
or
a
family
trust
to
us
for
the
development
of
housing
that
would
support
lower
income
households,
and
so
in
that
way
we
would
get
a
better
deal
than
a
for-profit
developer
who
might
have
to
purchase
that
land
and
we
then
are
able
to
use
that
cost
savings
to
lower
the
rents.
Ultimately,
on
those
units.
C
C
C
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation,
senator
alrighty.
I
know
it's
a
little
awkward
where
I'm
angled
we'll
just
play
dodge
a
little
bit,
but
I
just
wanted
some
clarification.
Just
based
off
the
conversation
on
the
dialogue.
There
there's
never
been
anything
impeding
for-profit
businesses
to
work
with
nevada
rural
housing
authority
before
correct.
J
C
Senator
julia
ready
for
the
record.
Yes,
I
don't
believe
there
are
any
barriers
to
a
for-profit
developer,
choosing
to
build
lower
cost
units.
J
Thank
you,
and,
and
just
one
follow-up,
if
I
may
senator
and
there's
nothing
that
would
prevent
them
from
doing
that
in
the
future
right.
C
Eight
years
on
a
city
council
for
the
city
of
sparks,
I
know
many
of
you
know
that
not
everybody
here
would
probably
probably
know
that,
and
so
I
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
there
are
real
market
barriers
to
doing
that.
Sometimes,
and
particularly
right
now.
Cost
of
land
cost
of
labor
cost
of
lumber
are
the
items
that
are
making
it
difficult
for
for-profit
housing
developers
to
build
lower
price
units.
Then
there's
also
a
profit
incentive,
so
they're
going
to
look
at
the
market
broadly
and
they're,
going
to
figure
out
which
product
can
they
build?
C
That's
going
to
make
them
the
most
money
and
with
an
influx
of
folks
coming
from
california,
who
have
an
ability
to
pay
a
significant
amount
more
for
housing.
What
we're
seeing
is
that
the
for-profit
development
community
is
building
luxury
rate
housing
more
than
they
are
building
medium
income,
housing
and
almost
never
low
income
housing,
because
that
is
what
the
free
market
dynamic
is
creating,
and
that
is
reasonable.
That's
it's
not
judging
anybody.
It's
not
casting
aspersions!
C
That
is
just
the
reality
is
they're
for-profit
businesses,
their
job
is
to
make
money,
and
so
the
market
dynamics
make
it
difficult
for
them
to
do
lower
income
units
and
we,
as
a
society,
still
have
people
who
need
those
units,
so
there's
no
legal
barrier
to
doing
it.
There
are
some
market
conditions
that
make
it
difficult
for
them
to
accomplish.
J
Thank
you,
and
even
though
all
of
that
exists,
I
think
that
we
can
kind
of
agree
that
we
don't
have
enough
affordable
housing.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
intent
of
this
legislation.
I
I
look
forward
to
supporting
this
legislation
as
a
means
for
us
to
create
more
affordable
housing,
because
we
know
that
we
just
don't
have
enough.
A
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
somebody
madison,
please.
H
Thank
you
and-
and
I
I
have
friends
that
build
you-
know,
affordable
housing.
H
Well,
they
they
were
doing
quite
a
few
of
them
until
a
while
back
and
things
come
apart,
that
they
were
building
them
and
and
they
were,
they
were
doing
quite
well,
and
the
people
were
really
happy
so,
but
the
problem
right
now
we
have
is
going
into
this.
This
new
world.
We
have
right
now,
one
sheet
of
plywood
a
week
ago
was
or
two
weeks
ago
was
50
some
dollars.
It's
95.
Today
I
bid
a
project
in
winnemucca
for
20,
some
thousand.
H
It's
68
right
now,
because
it
wasn't
labor,
it's
all
in
the
cost
of
materials.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
these
projects
are
going
to
be
put
on
hold
right
now
because
of
the
cost
of
materials.
Just
went
skyrocket
and
this
happened
in
the
last
30
days.
So
I
know
you're
going
to
have
to
to
deal
with
that
kind
of
problems
out
there
and
coming
up.
H
C
Thank
thank
you.
Julia
reddy
again
for
the
record
record,
always
happy
to
meet
with
you,
assemblyman,
ellison
and
figure
out
what
all
of
the
possible
tools
are
available.
I
will.
I
will
just
say
that
this
one
little
affordable
housing
bill
will
not
solve
all
of
those
problems,
but
I
do
think
that
is
a
tool
in
a
tool
kit
that,
if
we
philosophically
believe
everybody,
regardless
of
their
income
level,
deserves
a
safe,
clean,
affordable
place
to
live
that
this
will
help
some
people
in
some
places
get
that.
A
Thank
you
for
the
thoughtful
dialogue
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
invite
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
senate
bill
311.
Do
we
have
anybody
present
here
who
would
like
to
do
that?
I
don't
believe
you
are
here
for
that
bill
just
wanted
to
confirm
broadcast.
If
we
could,
please
go
to
the
phones
for
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
senate
bill
311.
K
K
L
Good
morning,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
this
is
marla
mcgade
williams
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
churchill
county
we'd,
just
like
to
go
on
record
in
support
of
this
measure.
Churchill
county
has
a
lot
of
issues
with
housing
at
the
moment
and
that's
looking
any
opportunity
that
could
help
them
potentially
meet
that
need
would
be
appreciated.
A
K
D
K
K
M
Chairman
flores
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
eric.
Novak
spelled
e-r-I-c-n-o-v-a-k.
I
was
having
technical
difficulties
that
we
were
actually
wanting
to
speak
in
support
of
sb
311
and
I'm
hoping
that's
possible.
Yes,.
M
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
I'm
treasurer
of
the
nevada
housing
coalition,
the
nevada
housing
coalition,
which
is
to
register
strong
support
for
senate
bill
311..
The
nevada
housing
coalition
is
a
statewide
membership-based
nonprofit
that
works
to
advance,
affordable
housing
options
and
address
housing
and
security
for
all
nevadans.
Our
members
come
from
the
public
and
private
sectors
representing
urban
and
rural
perspectives
from
across
the
state.
M
Sp
311
will
provide
our
friends
at
the
federal
housing
authority
or
nrha,
with
additional
flexibility
in
addressing
the
pressing
housing
needs
in
rural
nevada
and
will
bring
its
statutory
authority
in
line
with
that
already
enjoyed
by
the
two
urban
housing
authorities
in
the
state.
Nrha
is
already
the
go-to
agency
in
rural
nevada
for
housing
planning,
affordable
housing,
development
and
preservation,
rental
assistance,
weatherization
and
mortgage
assistance.
M
This
is
difficult
work
in
sparsely
populated
communities
with
boom
and
bust
economic
cycles,
where
it's
often
difficult
to
attract
conventional
lenders
and
investors.
Sb
311
will
allow
nrha
to
further
its
mission
as
well
as
diversify
its
financial
base.
In
a
time
of
more
limited
government
government
resources,
we
want
to
again
thank
senator
ratty
for
bringing
forward
these
changes
to
the
law,
which
we
believe
provide
nrha
with
new
tools
for
accomplishing
its
critical
mission
and
urge
the
committee
to
support
sb
311.
Thank
you.
A
And
thank
you
for
joining
us.
I
know
there
may
have
been
other
callers
who
were
intending
to
call.
I
do
see
a
list
of
other
individuals
that
were
signed
in
to
speak
and
support.
If
I
accidentally
skipped
you
and
or
if
you
didn't
have
a
chance
to
log
in,
please
feel
free
to
still
call
in.
I
don't
want
to
discourage
you
from
doing
that.
We
are
in
the
neutral
position.
But
again,
if
you
are
in
support
or
opposition,
I
still
want
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
speak.
A
I
know
we
went
kind
of
quickly
via
the
phone,
so
please
call
in
we'll
stay
with
those
wishing
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position
on
senate
bill.
311.
A
At
the
request
of
mr
barry,
gold
from
aarp
just
wanted
to
put
on
the
record
that
there
is
a
letter,
that's
been
uploaded
to
nellis,
wherein,
on
behalf
of
the
345
000
members
across
the
state
of
aarp
state,
their
support
for
senate
bill
311
and
urge
the
committee
to
pass
it
to
help
ensure
affordable
housing
is
available
in
rural
nevada.
A
C
Julia
ready
for
the
record
again
representing
senate
district
13.
I
just
want
to
express
my
gratitude
to
the
committee
for
scheduling
this
bill
so
quickly
after
the
deadline
after
it
got
over
to
you.
I
appreciate
very
much
the
opportunity
to
have
the
dialogue.
I
understand
that
solving
our
state's
housing
issues
are
complex,
but
I
feel
very
strongly
that
this
is
a
good
tool
that
is
going
to
a
good
partner
that
will
make
a
difference
for
some
people
in
our
rural
communities.
A
And
thank
you
senator.
We
appreciate
that
and
I'm
sure
you'll
be
working
alongside
the
members
as
they
raise
other
issues
and
or
conversations
to
ensure
everything
pencils
in
as
assembly
women,
black
and
assembling
allison
indicated
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
311.
Thank
you
senator
again,
thank
you
for
all
your
co-presenters
and
we
appreciate
you
senator
I'll,
take
point
of
privilege,
as
I
know,
if
you've
been
working
on
this
issue
of
affordable
housing
for
a
very
long
time.
A
A
A
N
Please
be
aware
that
the
following
discussions
with
various
stakeholders,
an
amendment
to
the
bill,
is
now
proposed
and
just
a
few
minutes
ago
I
checked
nellis
and
I
did
not
see
that
uploaded,
but
we
will
check
it
again
and
but
miss
rich
is
on
zoom,
and
so
she
will
be
able
to
give
us
that
information
as
well.
By
way
of
background.
N
I
would
now
like
to
turn
the
presentation
over
to
my
co-presenters
to
discuss
the
details
of
the
bill
and
the
proposed
amendment,
and
then
we
will
be
available
to
answer
questions
and
chair
floors.
Just
as
a
note,
I
have
a
finance
committee
meeting
that
will
be
starting
so
I'll
stay
as
long
as
I
can,
and
then
I
will
slip
out
and
let
them
finish
the
bill.
But
I
certainly
appreciate
your
time.
O
Good
morning,
chairman
flores
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
randy
saltero
today,
representing
the
american
federation
of
state
county
and
municipal
employees
on
the
bill,
sb
360.,
you
will
find
two
documents.
Actually,
you
will
not
find
two
documents.
You'll
find
one
document
which
represents
what
we
passed
in
the
senate.
O
That
bill
was
something
that
we
had
put
together
and
and
again
passed
through
the
senate.
That
would
have
allowed
the
the
same
two
people
from
each
of
those
different
groups,
but
instead
of
a
recommendation
to
the
governor,
it
would
have
been
from
a
list
of
people
that
the
governor
would
have
to
choose
from.
O
I
can
tell
you
that
a
stakeholder
group,
including
miss
rich,
who
is
with
us
today
from
pebbs,
reached
out
to
us
and
said,
look
let's
talk
about
something
that
we
can
find
good
compromise
on,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
stand
here
today
on
behalf
of
after
me
saying
we
have
done
that.
We
have
found
that
it's
a
better
way
to
go
is
to
work
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
everybody
else,
and
I'm
very
happy
to
pass
things
on
to
ms
rich
to
go
over
the
new
amendment.
O
O
The
only
change
that
will
happen
now
is
what
ms
rich
is
going
to
talk
about
and
again
after
me,
and
all
the
stakeholders
have
agreed
to
this,
and
we
are
very
happy
to
have
come
to
this
compromise,
and
with
that,
mr
chair,
with
your
indulgence,
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
rich
to
go
over
with
the
new
amendment.
Thank
you,
sir.
P
Thank
you,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee,
and
thank
you,
mr
soltero.
I
am
more
rich
executive
officer
of
the
public
employees
benefits
program,
as
mr
sotoro
mentioned,
pebb
and
afscme
have
worked
together
on
an
amendment
to
this
bill
which
I
think
satisfies
all
parties
by
providing
labor
with
a
voice
on
the
pet
board,
while
minimizing
the
disruption
and
maintaining
that
stability
on
the
board.
P
As
many
of
you
on
this
committee
may
already
know,
pebb
has
one
of
the
largest
budgets
in
the
state.
We
are
about
a
1
billion
dollar
program.
The
10-member
board
not
only
has
the
responsibility
of
determining
health
benefits
for
state
employees
and
retirees,
but
the
board
members
also
have
a
fiduciary
obligation
to
the
program.
P
On
top
of
that,
pebb
is
a
self-funded
health
plan.
So
for
those
of
us
who
think
that
interpreting
interpreting
our
own
health
insurance
is
complicated,
it
is
far
more
complex
and
multifaceted
for
board
members
who
must
understand
and
be
able
to
balance
the
financial
and
member
implications
of
every
decision
that
is
made
by
that
board.
P
So
the
board
ultimately
voted
to
oppose
the
bill
in
its
original
form
and
the
in
addition
to
the
adopted
initial
amendment,
but
also
voted
to
propose
an
amendment
that
is
very
similar
to
what
is
being
presented
today.
P
In
addition
to
this,
there
is
one
other
change
included
that
was
not
considered
by
the
pep
board,
which
is
that
this
position
is
specifically
exempt
from
the
requirement
in
current
statute.
That
at
least
four
members
must
have
a
bachelor's
degree
or
more
advanced
degree
or
equivalent
professional
experience.
P
I
believe
that
this
amendment
is
a
good
compromise
and
can
be
considered
a
win
for
everyone
involved.
Most
importantly,
the
large,
the
largest
labor
organization,
now
gets
a
voice
on
the
pep
board
without
any
disruption
or
changes
to
the
current
makeup
and
expertise
on
the
board
today
and,
moreover,
the
governor,
the
governor
retains
authority
over
the
appointments
made
to
the
board
that
he
or
she
ultimately
overseas.
P
O
No
not
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you
and
thank
you
senator
for
bringing
this
forward.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
so
I'm
just
making
sure
that
I
understand
the
amendment
correctly
that
this
additional
individual
would
be
more
than
likely
representing
some
of
our
secretarial
staff
or
the
custodial
staff
or
other
individuals.
That
would
not
necessarily
have
the
master's
degree
as
required
in
other
areas,
which
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Q
I'm
understanding
that
amendment
correctly,
because
that's
an
incredibly
important
area
of
our
public
employees,
then
my
second
question
or
clarification
about
how
many
members
of
I
guess
how
many
employees
are
in
that
in
that
boat,
because
currently
from
the
little
bit
of
research
that
I've
done
on
the
peb
board,
the
majority
of
individuals
that
serve
on
it
are
at
the
executive
level.
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
many,
how
many
are
actually
currently
serving
if
there
are
any
that
are
more
at
the
non-executive
level.
Does
that
make
sense?
What
I'm
asking
for?
P
So
lord
rich
for
the
record
to
answer
your
first
question
there
or
I'm
sorry
I'll
start
with
your
second
question.
So
the
the
there
are
two
positions
on
the
board
that
are
specifically
dedicated
to
classified
employees
and
so
they're
out
of
those
ten
board
members.
There
are
two
classified
employees
who
do
not
represent
an
executive
position.
They
are
classified
employees.
That
means
that
they
they
must
be
appointed
from
a
made
from
a
an
appointment.
That
is
someone
in
a
position
of
classified
employment.
P
Today
we
have
two
members
who
I
believe
one
is
from,
represents
or
works
in
the
medicaid
division
and
then
the
other
one
comes
from
taxation.
P
Additionally,
there
are
two
other
positions
that
are
dedicated
to
retirees
and
so
those
those
two
positions
specifically
can
come
from
a
a
former
employee
who
has
retired
from
the
state
it's
not
necessarily
dedicated
to
an
executive
or
classified
position.
P
O
If
I
may
answer
the
first
part
of
your
question
and
with
your
indulgence,
mr
chair,
just
a
kind
of
how
we
got
here
today,.
O
Yes,
first
time,
please
my
apologies
for
the
record
randy
saltero
when
afscme
thought
about
you
know
the
we
looked
at
the
makeup
of
the
board
and
there
are
some
very
qualified
people
on
there
and
they
and
they
are
good
folks
to
have
on
that
board.
O
One
of
the
things
that
that
is
also
a
reality
is
that
a
majority
of
classified
workers
that
are
state
employees
are
are
folks
that
maybe
make
between
35
and
50
dollars
a
year.
They
don't
have
a
lot
of
them,
have
a
degrees
or
other
expertise.
O
They
certainly
have
a
voice
and
they
certainly
have
to
pay
premiums
and
costs
of
prescriptions
and
everything
else,
and
so
I
I
you
know
when
when
we
first
got
together
and
I
first
met
with
with
ms
rich,
I
told
that
story
about
those
employees
and
and
how
they
really,
when,
when
there's
a
increase
for
prescriptions
or
there's
an
increase
for
co-pays
or
something
like
that,
that
that
impacts
that
person
they
might
have,
you
know
it's
going
to
cost
them
more
than
it
might
be.
O
Somebody
that
makes
considerably
more
a
majority
of
the
people
that
work
for
ask
me:
that's
that's
kind
of
their
is
their
price,
that's
what
they
make
and
so
having
that
voice
and
vote,
and
I'm
telling
you
the
the
folks
that
we
sat
down
with
and
and
and
and
then
from
miss
rich
and
I
talking
about.
We
want
to
recognize
and
make
sure
somebody
that
is
one
of
those
folks
that
work
for
afscme
has
that
voice
and
vote
on
the
committee
and
through
again
meaningful
compromise.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
It's
always
good
to
see
you,
mr
tara
and
miss
rich.
I
I
guess
my
question.
I
think
you
referenced
an
amendment.
J
Is
there
that
I
don't
see
an
amendment
on
nella,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
conceptual
amendment,
is
it
just
posted
okay?
I
know
it's
being
posted,
but
if
you
could
just
go
over
it
one
more
time,
so
I'd
understand
what
that
amendment's
going
to
do.
I'd
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
P
Sure
laura
rich
for
the
record,
so
the
amendment
it
it
really.
It
eliminates
everything
that
was
originally
proposed
in
the
original
bill
and
also
in
the
first
amendment
and
really
all
it
does
is
it
adds
a
an
additional
11th
seat
to
the
board
to
the
pegboard
and
that
11th
seat
specifically
states.
It's
one,
member
appointed
by
the
governor
from
a
written
list
of
nominations
of
10
classified
state
employees
submitted
by
the
labor
organization,
representing
the
largest
number
of
classified
state
employees
participating
in
the
system.
P
J
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Miss
chairman,
I
I
was
looking
through
the
bill.
Was
the
amendment
in
committee
that
you
said
you
admitted
a
lot
of
it
out.
Was
that
in
committee,
or
was
that
is
the
senate
seeing
this
new
version
or
is
this
the
version
that
was
passed
out
of
the
senate.
O
For
the
record
randy
saltero,
the
version
that
passed
out
of
the
senate
is
what
you
see
today
is
that
new
language
that
says
that
each
of
the
it
would
be,
and
she
the
two
seats
for
enshi,
would
have
this
ability
to
submit
10
names
that
would
have
to
be
done.
O
Retirees
and
and
state
classified
workers.
That's
what
was
passed
out
of
the
committee
with
the
because
of
the
time
restraints
we
had
to
move
this
bill
forward.
They
moved
it
that
way
and
knowing
that
we
were
in
talks
and
that
we
were
coming
to
this
better
compromise
for
that
on
be
for
pebbs
and
for
afscme.
O
So
that's
why
this
amendment
will
erase
everything
that
was
done
in
the
the
bill
that
was
passed
out
of
the
senate
and
will
be
replaced
with
the
amendment
that
miss
rich
has
discussed.
Okay,.
P
For
the
record
laura
rich,
not
necessarily
most
of
them
are,
but
there
are
some
positions
on
the
board
that
are
dedicated
to
representing,
and
I
have
the
the
makeup
right
in
front
of
me.
So
there's
there's
a
few
positions
on
the
board
that
that
come
in
with
certain
experience
and
knowledge,
and
so
those
positions
specifically
do
not
need
to
be
employees
of
the
state
or
participants
in
the
program.
So
we've
had,
for
example,
on
the
board.
Today
we
have
a
subject
matter:
expertise
on
on
health
insurance
and
specifically
a
broker.
P
Today,
for
the
record
lower
rich
today,
yes,
there
is
there's,
there's
one
expert
in
insurance
that
comes
in
with
a
subject
matter,
expertise
that
is
not
a
state
employee.
There
are
other
state
employees
that
do
fill
the
roles
of
some
of
these
positions
on
the
board
that
do
have
subject
matter
expertise
but
they're,
just
they're
they're
state
employees
as
well.
F
P
For
the
record
lower
rich,
there
are
10
positions
on
board
today
and
so
and
I
I'll
just
go
through
them.
Really
quick.
Two
members
have
to
come
from
the
nevada
system
of
higher
education,
one
from
the
north
one
from
the
south.
Two
members
are
retirees,
so
they
must
have
retired
from
public
employment
and
there's
one
member
who
is
employed
by
or
I'm
sorry
two
members
that
are
also
of
the
classified
service.
Active
employees.
P
Then
there's
one
member
who
is
employed
by
the
state
in
a
managerial
capacity.
P
Then
there's
two
members
who
have
substantial
and
demonstrated
experience
in
risk
management,
group,
insurance,
programs,
health
care,
administration
or
employee
benefits
that
member
those
two
members
right
there
do
not
have
to
fulfill,
do
not
have
to
be
active
state
employees
or
retirees.
They
can
be
outsiders,
any
type
of
outsider.
That
has
that
expertise.
P
R
Sir,
thank
you
chair
just
wanted
to
a
couple
of
questions,
or
I
guess
a
couple
of
points
before
for
my
question.
You
know
the
senator
introducing
the
bill
talked
about
how
this
is
aimed
to
sort
of
reconfigure
the
board
a
bit
in
a
way
to
better
ensure
that
the
the
interests
of
employees
are
advanced.
Of
course,
I
think
it's
worth
bearing
in
mind
that
you
know
the
employees.
Interests
are
not
the
only
interests
at
stake
in
this
discussion.
R
You
know
we
also
have
to
consider
the
the
interest
of
those
who
fund
the
program
and
the
taxpayers
of
our
of
our
state.
It
sounds
also
to
to
touch
on
assemblywoman
black's
line
of
questioning
that
members
and
ex-members
are
already
substantially
represented
in
this
board
and
given
some
of
the
the
fiscal
challenges
that
we
see
with
the
board
and
given
the
dearth
of
those
with
really,
I
think
the
relevant
outside
expertise,
it
kind
of
seems
like
if
there's
a
need
to
shore
up
representation
on
the
board.
R
It
would
be
in
that
regard,
and
it
just
seems
like
that.
This
proposed
change,
even
with
the
amendment
kind
of
takes
us
in
the
opposite
direction
of
that,
so
I
don't
know
why
this
particular
change
is
going
to
be
effective
in
addressing
some
of
the
you
know:
systemic
and
significant
problems
or
challenges
that
we
see
with
with
the
program.
So
I
I
guess
that's,
maybe
more
of
a
series
of
comments
and
questions,
but
we'll
see
if
anyone
would
like
to
speak
to
that.
Thank
you.
O
For
the
record
range
sultero,
you
know,
I
think
that,
and
again
I
go
back
to
kind
of
how
we
kind
of
got
to
this
place
is.
Is
you
know
wanting
to
have
those
state
employees
who
are
participants
in
this
and
our
taxpayers
and
and
and
our
people
that
would
hold
accountable?
O
You
know
their
their
benefit
plan
and,
and
you
know,
as
they
would,
their
their
retirement
plan
and
because
of
the
majority
of
people
that
are
in
that
plan
are
not
the
folks
that,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
the
folks
that
are
on
there
now
aren't
aren't
well
qualified.
They
are.
O
We
agree
with
that,
but
to
have
an
additional
voice
of
saying
you
look
when
you're
deciding
on
doing
an
increase
to
to
something
listen
to
this
other
voice,
and-
and
I
know
that
the
folks
from
pebbs
were
were
agreeing
that
they
want
to
hear
that
voice,
and
so
then
that's
why
we
continue
to
move
forward
and
and
got
to
where
we
are
today.
Okay,.
A
N
N
Just
to
reiterate
pebb
is
a
self-insured
non-profit,
healthcare
trust.
It
has
components
that
are
regulated
by
the
irs
as
such,
it
has
72
and
I
believe
miss
rich
will
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
it
has,
I
believe,
around
72
000
members,
both
active
employees,
retirees
and
in
some
cases
dependents.
Is
that
correct,
miss
rich?
Did
I
get
those
numbers
right?
Thank
you.
N
The
afscme
retirees
are
very
grateful
for
all
the
work
that
was
put
into
this
compromise
bill.
We
were
flexible
on
the
first
version,
but
we
are
very
happy
if
not
happier
with
this
consensus
position
this.
This
meets
all
the
stakeholders
at
the
table.
N
All
of
the
concerns,
in
our
view,
so
we're
so
grateful
to
senator
don
darrell
loop
to
mr
soltero
to
miss
rich
for
all,
working
together
and
coming
to
this
position.
So
we
do
thank
the
members
of
this
committee
for
listening
to
this
bill.
We
are
in
strong
support
and
hope
we
can
go
forward
and
just
getting
more
voices
at
the
table
is
never
a
bad
thing
in
our
position.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
Good
morning,
chair
flores
and
committee
members,
this
is
my
first
day
in
the
building
nice
to
be
here
nice
to
see
all
of
you,
kent
irvin
e-r-v-I-n,
for
the
nevada
faculty
alliance,
the
independent
association
of
faculty
and
she
colleges
and
universities.
We
work
to
empower
faculty
members
to
be
fully
engaged
in
our
mission
to
help
students
succeed.
I
When
state
classified
employees
finally
achieved
collective
bargaining
through
sb,
135
and
2019,
they
gave
up
mandatory
bargaining
over
benefits,
so
it
is
only
fair
that
the
classified
employees
have
an
additional
seat
at
the
table
on
the
pegboard.
For
all
the
reasons
already
stated,
for
your
background
information
regarding
the
two
energy
representatives
on
the
pegboard
and
how
that
works.
When,
whenever
there's
been
a
vacancy
in
those
two
positions,
the
nevada
faculty
alliance
has
worked
very
hard
and
is
hard
to
recruit
highly
qualified
candidates.
Working
with
our
faculty
senates.
I
We
have
typically
recommended
three
or
four
candidates
to
the
governor
with
different
skill
sets
to
provide
the
governor
a
real
choice.
We
we
recently
have
nominated
nursing
faculty
members,
health
policy
experts,
a
rural
medicine
expert,
a
cancer
patient
advocate
a
former
benefits
manager
and
a
parent
of
a
special
needs
child.
I
To
be
clear,
the
large
majority
of
our
nominees
have
not
been
members
of
the
nevada
faculty
alliance.
Rather,
our
main
criteria
is
to
find
someone
who
will
advocate
for
the
participants
as
well
as
do
their
fiduciary
duty,
which
they
have
will
have
as
a
board
member
to
maintain
the
fiscal
health
of
the
program,
and
we
expect
we
fully
expect
ask
me
to
have
a
similar
standard.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
K
K
K
K
K
B
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee
carter
bundy
with
askme
c-a-r-t-e-r-b-u-n-d-y
for
the
record
we
want
to
thank
you
for
scheduling
this
hearing.
This
is
a
bill
that
we
strongly
support.
As
has
been
said,
there
was
a
different
version
that
would
have
had
more
people
from
lists
provided
by
afscme
and
some
other
groups,
but
we
do
think
this
is
a
fair
compromise.
B
A
K
M
M
We
asked
that
the
pep
board
do
be
in
support
of
sb
360..
You
know.
We
definitely
appreciate
that
most
pep
board
members
do
their
best
to
make
the
best
decisions
for
thousands
of
things
about
employees
that
are
enrolled
in
the
perhaps
health
insurance
plan.
The
good
intentions
do
not
replace
our
actual
lived
experiences.
M
M
Just
conversations
with
my
co-workers,
the
question
is-
and
this
is
just
our
belief
and
what
we're
understanding
every
legislative
session.
It
almost
appears
that
our
insurance
premiums
they
try
to
increase
them
with
us,
getting
less
benefits
for
the
creams
that
were
pla
that
were
paying
you
know
and
again.
In
those
conversations
it
has
been
asked,
why
is
it
that
we
in
in
evaluating
our
clients
for
medical
benefits,
whether
it's
medicaid
or
medicare,
and
definitely
more
medicaid,
are
our
clients
getting
better
insurances
than
we
are
in
paying
for
them
as
state
and
event
employees?
A
A
K
B
Good
morning
chris
daley
daly
nevada,
state
education
association,
also
here
in
support
of
sb
360.,
we
often
talk
about
the
importance
of
educator
voice
on
issues
of
education,
clearly,
there's
an
issue
here
with
worker
voice
and
state
worker
voice
with
regards
to
the
pep
board.
So
we
appreciate
the
work
that
we've
done
with
askme
on
this
bill.
B
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
you
know
the
ultimate
goal
of
the
pep
board
is
to
best
serve
nevada,
public
employees,
and
so
it's
only
fitting
that
active
public
employees
are
able
to
nominate
one
member
at
least
one
member
to
this
board.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
B
S-T-E-P-H-A-N-I-E-D-U-B-E-
and
I
am
a
custodian
that
has
worked
for
the
state
of
nevada
for
almost
four
years
now-
I
am
an
asme
member
of
local
4041
and
I'm
just
calling
to
support
this
bill.
It's
really
important
to
have
rank
and
file
employees
on
the
peb
board.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
You
have
a
great
day.
A
K
K
K
A
Thank
you
we'll
go
to
those
wishing
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position
to
send
a
bit
360.
K
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
the
record
randy
saltero,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
sb
360
today
again,
I
think
this
is
a
classic
example
of
good
compromise
legislation
and
we
look
forward
to
your
approval
and
and
move
on
to
our
the
next
level
of
the
floor.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
S
Good
morning,
chair
flores
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
sharat
chandra,
I'm
the
administrator
here
for
the
real
estate
division,
I'm
here
to
present
sb
72
for
your
consideration.
S
A
A
S
Just
trying
to
get
the
slideshow
going
very
good,
so
committee
members
chair,
this
is
just
the
overview
of
the
nevada
real
estate
division
on
the
left.
There
you'll
see
some
of
the
mission
critical
work
that
we
do
here,
which
is
essentially
licensing.
S
We
go
licensed
real
estate,
licensees
builders
developers,
timeshare
appraisers
and
inspectors
of
structures
and
energy
auditors
and
on
the
right
side,
you'll
just
see
some
of
the
some
of
the
numbers
there
that
we
have
that's
the
number
of
licensees
currently
also
just
the
amount
of
work
that
our
compliance
section
does
phone
calls
received,
walk-ins
at
least
before
the
pandemic
and
and
some
other
data
there
on
the
right
side.
The
bottom.
S
All
members
are
licensees
and
again
they
do
the
same
functions
as
a
real
estate,
commission,
discipline,
regulation
and
education.
So
that's
the
one
part
of
what
the
real
estate
division
does
I'm
going
to
switch
to
the
second
slide.
The
other
function
that
the
nevada
real
estate
does.
Is
we
have
the
office
of
the
ombudsman
for
common
interest
communities
and
condominium
hotels?
S
I'm
sure
hoas,
don't
need
any
introduction
to
any
of
you.
However,
just
some
data
again
on
your
left
side,
you'll
see
the
number
of
hoas
33,
415
and
growing.
This
is
at
last
count
and
that
has
gone
up
a
bit
in
the
last
year
and
in
the
below
that
we
have.
The
number
of
units
so
again
depends
on
the
size
of
the
hoa.
S
But
right
now
we
have
over
571
000
units
under
hoas
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side
again,
you'll
see
the
office
of
the
ombudsman
and
kind
of
the
functions
that
they
do:
education,
registration
compliance,
education
are
some
of
the
key
features
and
again
the
hoa
the
office
of
the
ombudsman
reports
to
the
common
commission
for
common
interest
communities.
S
S
The
members
are
diverse,
they
are,
there
are
there's
an
attorney
member
there's,
a
auditor
member
with
auditing
experience,
there's
a
community
management
representative
and
also
homeowner
representatives,
so
that
is
essentially
a
quick
overview
of
the
division
and
that'll
end.
My
presentation
on
that.
S
And
so
now,
if
we
dive
quickly
into
into
the
actual
bill.
S
The
reason
that
we,
the
division,
brought
this
bill
was
the
ombudsman's
office
receives
a
a
lot
of
the
questions
and
concerns
and
comments,
and
some
of
the
things
that
we
addressed
in
this
bill
were
some
of
the
top
things
that
came
through
that
office.
So,
in
light
of
that,
these
are
the
items
that
we
brought
forward.
What
we
did,
if
you
remember
last
session
senate
bill,
392,
authorized
the
creation
of
a
task
force.
S
This
is
outside
of
the
seven
member
commission
body,
so
the
task
force
was
essentially
designed
to
come
up
with
some
thoughts
and
ideas
and
possibly
make
recommendations
for
legislation.
S
So
what
we
did
was
we
took
some
of
these
comments
and
concerns
that
came
through
the
ombudsman's
office
and
we
presented
it
to
the
task
force
and
we
had
a
discussion
and
really
the
genesis
of
that
is
this
bill
again.
As
you
know,
116
is
a
complicated
and
complex
statute.
S
The
bill
doesn't
attempt
to
overhaul
or
restructure
anything.
What
we
wanted
to
do
was
bring
some
more
clarity
to
a
couple
of
items
on
there.
It
really
does
largely
three
things:
it
addresses
the
areas
of
clarifying
the
fines
and
continuing
violations,
those
that
was
one
big
thing.
It
also
provides
homeowner
protection
by
requiring
limited
purpose
companies
to
also
come
under
protections
under
116,
for
following
the
process
for
liens
and
foreclosures,
and
really
the
other
two
things
were
client
confidential.
S
Basically,
attorney-client
privileged
language
was
modified
to
make
sure
that
that
aligned
with
larger
statutes
and
also
just
giving
some
more
homeowner
protections
as
far
as
appearing
before
a
hoa
board
for
their
discipline.
So
those
those
really
were
the
three
aspects
of
it.
S
I
just
wanted
to
add
in
the
end
that
when
this
bill
was
first
introduced
in
the
senate,
we
did
have
a
discussion
with
the
community
associations
and
some
of
the
interested
parties,
and
we
came
up
with
a
language
where
we
believe
that
the
commission
could
take
take
some
action
regarding
establishing
limitations
on
health
safety
and
welfare
violations,
because
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
addressed
in
the
bill
and
we
felt
that
it
needed
a
little
more
detail,
but
that
detail
could
be
done
by
the
seven
member
commission.
S
So
the
authority
in
the
statute
is
given
to
the
commission
to
develop
the
rules
and
regulations
behind
what
a
health
and
welfare
safety
violation
is
and
also
the
amount
of
fines
that
can
be
assessed.
So
that
is
really
my
general
presentation
of
the
bill.
I'm
going
to
stop
chair,
flores
and
then
open
up
for
any
questions.
If
you
don't
mind.
A
Thank
you
for
that
presentation
and
for
your
powerpoint.
I
know
we
have
several
questions
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
off
with
assemblywoman
anderson.
Please.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
chadra,
for
the
presentation.
I
have
a
few
questions,
so
my
first
actually
has
to
do
with
the
language
that
is
currently
in
statute.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
pop
cap
that
is
mentioned
on
page
four
line,
one
where
it's
55
000
individuals.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
that
this
is
only
for
the
five
counties
that
is
that
correct.
This
is
only
going
to
be
used
for
carson
clark,
elko
lion
and
washoe,
or
is
this
for
more
for
all.
S
For
the
record,
just
as
a
clarifying
were
you
talking
about
the
slides
that
were
presented
or.
Q
Thank
you
assemblymember,
as
assemblymember
anderson,
it's
it
has
to
do
with
the
current
language.
That's
under
section
one,
two
four.
Q
I
guess
it's
c
when
they
talk
about
the
common
interest
community
that
was
created
before
january
1st
1992,
and
then
it
talks
about
the
county
whose
population
is
less
than
55
000.,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
which
counties
are
being
impacted
by
this
proposed
language.
That's
my
first
of
probably
five.
S
Administrator
for
the
real
estate
division,
the
language
in
there
is
currently
in
place.
This
impacts
the
same
counties
that
are
currently
being
impacted.
I'll,
get
you
a
little
more
detail
on
the
exact
all
of
the
the
list
of
the
counties,
if
that,
if
that
makes
sense,
but
this
change
is
in
line
with
whatever
the
language
in
that
section
is,
which
is
that
b
that
you're
referencing,
I'm
sorry
c,
a
common
interest
community
that
was
created
before
1992
is
located
in
the
county's
population
is
less
than
55
000.
Q
I
just
want
to
make
sure
about
that.
Thank
you
and
then
my
second
question
actually
has
to
do
with.
I
think,
the
largest
portion
or
a
big
portion
of
the
proposed
language.
It's
in
section
two
two.
I
guess
it
looks
like
2b,
it's
the
top
of
page
six,
when
there
is
the
discussion
about
the
different
fines.
S
Sure
chandra
for
the
record,
so
these
are
these.
Fines
are
specifically
for
the
hoas,
so
hoa
associations
that
have
their
ccnrs
and-
and
so
essentially,
these
fines
apply
just
to
those
associations
and
what
they
can
find
their
homeowners.
This
does
not
apply
to
the
larger
county
state
areas
that
that
could
potentially
result
in
fights.
Q
S
Sure
chandra
for
the
record,
so
so
essentially
it
is
addressed
in
a
different
area
of
statute,
not
in
this
bill,
but
essentially
it's
the
same
notices
that
are
provided.
I
believe
it
is
30
days.
S
But
again
all
this
does
is
it's
just
providing
some
more
clarification
to
the
notices,
and
so
if,
for
example,
if
there
is
a
fine
that
has
been
assessed,
then
this
allows
for
that
person
to
get
a
hearing,
inform
in
front
of
in
front
of
the
board
and
actually
discuss
the
matter,
and
all
it
does
is
add
some
clarification
to
that.
But
all
the
notices
and
requirements
and
and
the
notice
noticing
requirements
are
all
part
of
116
that
that
those
remain
unchanged.
Q
Thank
you
for
that,
and
then
my
last
question
I
promised
mr
chair
well,
for
now
it
has
to
do
with
just
a
little
bit
later
under
4d.
It
has
to
do
with
the
phrase
reasonable
time
again.
What
is
reasonable
to
one
individual
based
upon
their
world
might
be
not
so
reasonable
based
upon
another.
So
is
there
a
definition
of
what
you
mean
by
reasonable
time,
or
is
that
again
open
to
the
interpretation
of
the
different
boards
and
how
they
define
it?.
S
Q
S
S
S
I
see
that
character
for
the
record.
Apologies
for
taking
so
much
time
to
look
through
this
one.
S
I
think
this
talk.
This
addresses
the
amount
of
time
that
the
homeowner
may
speak
at
a
meeting.
I
don't
believe
it
has
anything
to
do
with
with
it's
actually
the
time
that
the
homeowner
has
to
present
before
the
board,
and
that
is
the
discretion
of
the
chair
of
the
board.
My
understanding.
Q
So,
as
I
read
it,
then
I'm
not
understanding
that,
at
all
with
the
with
the
way
that
it
is
being
presented
is
entitled
to
receive
written
notice
of
the
decision
of
of
the
executive
board
regarding
the
alleged
violations
within
a
reasonable
time.
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
mean
by
reasonable,
not
by
how
much
time
they
have
to
be
able
to
present
their
the
homeowner
has
to
be
able
to
present
to
this
to
the
board
in
question.
B
A
Thank
you
assemblywoman
next,
we'll
go
to
a
subway,
wolverine
counselling.
Please.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you,
mr
chandra,
for
bringing
the
bill.
I
do
have
kind
of
a
series
of
questions,
so
I
will
try
not
to
jump
around,
but
I
guess
my
first
question
is:
is
there
a
definition
or
what
does
it
mean
and
I'm
looking
specifically
at
the
page
six?
Well,
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
where
you're
looking
but
section
two
where
the
new
language
be
would
be
unless
the
violation
poses
an
imminent
threat
of
causing
a
substantial
adverse
effect
on
the
health
safety
etc.
G
S
S
And
so
I
think
that
is
a
task
that
the
commission
is
well
equipped
to
do
is
have
that
public
discourse
and
have
a
public
regulation
workshop
on
it
and
set
those
parameters
and
also
the
limitations
on
the
fines
that
can
be
assessed
for
a
health
and
safety
violation.
So
not
sure
if
that
answers
your
question.
G
Yeah
kind
of
I
guess
I
I
understand
exactly
what
you
said
and
I
looking
at
the
use
of
the
words
like
imminent
threat,
trying
to
understand
the
process
over
under
section
six,
the
next
page
under
section
six,
it
says
the
executive
board
must
hold
a
hearing
before
it
may
impose
a
fine.
So
I'm
seeing
that
as
kind
of
a
conflict.
If
it's
an
imminent
threat,
then
you
have
to
have
an
executive
board
meeting
before
they
can
determine
whether
or
not
it's
finable.
S
Sure
chandra
administrator
for
the
real
estate
division.
So
it's
it's
two
things
that
are
being
addressed
here.
One
is
the
health
and
safety
violation
and
the
other
is
the
process
for
a
regular
fine.
So
that's
the
two
distinctions
that
are
being
made
here.
So
one
is
we're
trying
to
put
a
definition
around
what
health
and
safety
is
and
there's
a
process
for
that
which
is
listed
right
below,
I
believe,
page
7
starts
at
line.
S
10
essentially
send
a
written
notice
to
cure
an
alleged
violation
and
it
kind
of
lists
all
the
things
that
that
are
supposed
to
be
done.
The
and
then,
if
you
go
to
line
23,
which
is
subsection
2,
that
is,
unless
it
is
a
health
and
safety
violation,
then
there's
a
regular
process
to
address
fines
that
are
that
that.
G
S
Sure,
chandra
administrator
for
the
real
estate
division,
I
believe
they
do
have
to
go
through
a
written
rest
that
says,
send
written
notice
to
cure
the
alleged
violation.
So
I
think
there
are
so
many
levels
to
what
health
and
safety
are.
It
could
be
anything
from
someone
speeding
to
someone.
You
know
shooting,
but
it's
hard
to
encapsulate
everything,
but
I
think
this
is
just
the
due
process.
That's
that's
needed
for
a
health
and
safety
violation
and
then
there's
another
process
for
regular
fine.
S
So
you
know
again,
I
believe
the
really
the
solution
that
we
thought
of
is
to
actually
define
what
that
health
and
safety
violations
come
under
and
once
you
do
that,
then
it
becomes
a
lot
easier
than
talk
about
what
needs
to
be
done,
but
right
now
in
statute.
This
is
the
current
process.
G
Thank
you
so
then,
a
kind
of
swinging
back
a
little
bit
to
what
assemblywoman
anderson
sort
of
mentioned
is.
If
I
guess,
if
the
regulations
will
the
regulations,
then
I
sort
of
differentiate
between
like
saying
something
is
an
immediate
threat
that
might
just
be
speeding
or
saying
something
is
like
an
immediate
threat
which
I'm
wondering.
G
S
S
This
is
just
giving
the
some
structure
to
an
hoa
board
rather
than
having
them
define
what
health
and
safety
is
and
it's
different
for
each
hoa
board,
because
I
think
the
largest
story
to
this
also
is
health
and
safety
violations
once
they're
accrued
could
potentially
result
in
foreclosure.
So
we
have
to
be
careful
on
how
these
things
are
assessed
and
defined
and
given
out,
and
so
that's
why
this
process
is
in
place.
G
G
But
in
some
of
the
the
previous
conversations
it
seems
to
me
like
what
this
bill
is
doing,
will
potentially
allow
the
commission
to
determine
the
amount
of
fines
for
from
speeding's
to
whatever
these
violations
are.
Is
that
are
those
violation
amounts
going
to
be
between
that
100
and
1000,
or
the
way
that
this
is
written?
Does
that
give
the
commission
sort
of
the
the
ability
to
decide
any
amount
of
money
for
any
violation
and
will
those
be
set
out
specifically.
S
I'm
sure
chandra
administrator
for
the
real
estate
division.
So
again
we
briefly
touched
on
this
previously,
so
that
the
distinction
is
twofold.
One
is
a.
There
is
statutory
cap
on
a
fine
amount
which
is
under
dollars
and
then
a
hearing
cannot
exceed
a
thousand
dollars,
so
that
is
for
regular
violations,
landscaping,
whatever
those
those
may
be.
S
S
You
know
it's
different,
we're
talking
about
hoas
across
the
entire
state.
So
what
is
a
health
and
safety
violation
in
some
areas
may
not
be
relevant
in
others,
and
so
that's
the
discussion
we're
going
to
have
and
set
cap.
So
to
answer
your
question:
there's
two
distinct
things
here:
there's
a
health
and
safety
violation
which
doesn't
this
is
not
captain
that
currently
there
is
no
cap.
What
we're
hoping
to
do
is
that
the
commission
would
discuss
that
and
establish
tiers
or
caps
on
that.
G
Thank
you
and
then
I
think
I
just
have
just
a
couple
more
questions,
so
if
for
safety
and
health
violations
right
now,
those
are
unfettered
fines.
We
don't
know
what
those
could
be.
There
are
no
caps
on
that
in
my
in
my
short
time
here
I
see
that
there
is
sort
of
a
a
basis
that
these
types
of
fines
and
fees
are
put
into
statutes
so
that
they
are,
they
cannot
be
changed
often
or
at
least
there's
like
a
cat
put
in
statute.
G
I
don't
know,
that's
something
that
that
you
would
consider,
but
that
would
be
something
that
I
think
would
be
helpful
and
then
on
well
on
my
page
eight,
where
it's
talking
about
these
fines,
the
fine
is
imposed
pursuant
to
subsection
one.
It
says
that
in
the
new
language
under
b,
it
says
that
the
fine
is
not
subject
to
any
limitation
on
the
amount
of
fines
set
forth
in
subsection
one
or
the
regulations
adopted
there
too.
G
So
does
this
mean
that
if
a
fine
can
be,
if
it's
not
cured
within
14
days,
that
the
fine
can
continue
to
be
added
like
weekly
or
in
a
periodic
amount?
And
there's
no
end
date
to
that,
and
my
reasoning
to
ask
is
what
you
mentioned
earlier:
is
these
fines
can
can
pile
up
and
then
someone
can
lose
their
home
in
foreclosure
and
that's
what
I'm
worried
about.
S
Sharon
chandler
administrator
for
the
real
estate
division.
So
again
I
want
to
be
careful
here
and
make
a
distinction.
Yes.
So
to
answer
your
first
question:
yes,
so
if
there
is
a
regular
violation,
not
a
health
and
safety
violation
to
find
100,
if
not
paid,
for
example,
let's
just
take
one
fine
max
capital
hundred
dollars,
if
not
paid
over
a
period
of
time,
will
accumulate
until
that
fine
is
cured.
However,
that
does
not
allow
you
to
foreclose
on
that
person.
S
S
Those
are
the
only
fines
that
can
be
brought
into
a
foreclosure
procedure,
not
your
regular
fines
and
and
fees
that
are
fines
that
are
assessed
through
a
regular.
You
know
either
landscaping
issue
or
something
other
other
than
health
and
safety.
So
that's
the
distinction
I
just
wanted
to
make.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
distinction.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
health
and
safety
violations
right
now
don't
have
any
regulations.
They
could
be
anything
from
speeding
to
something
like
imminently,
dangerous
to
people,
don't
necessarily
have
a
time
limit
and
can
lead
to
foreclosures.
S
Sure
I
try
to
administrate
for
the
real
estate
division
that
is
correct
and
so
that
this
is
part
of
the
solution
to
address
health
and
safety
violations
and
then
establish
some
kind
of
a
payment
structure
around
it.
And
then.
But
yes
to
answer
your
question.
If
it's
a
health
and
safety
violation,
then
it
could
potentially
lead
to
a
foreclosure
versus
a
regular
fine.
That
does
not.
G
J
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
pre,
the
presentation.
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
join
us
this
friday
morning,
so
I
I
think
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
something
correctly
here,
because
I
know
that
obviously
this
bill
is
very
complicated
and
there's
a
lot
of
legal
jargon.
J
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
this
that
the
intent
is
for
the
regulations
to
be
created
by
the
commission
and
then
when
I
did
a
little
bit
of
more
research,
the
commission
that
would
be
creating
these
regulations
is
then
the
commission
for
common
interest
communities
in
condominium
hotels.
Is
that
correct.
S
Sure
chandra
administrator
for
the
real
estate
amendment
chair,
that
is
absolutely
great.
The
the
seven-member
body,
which
is
the
cic
commission,
will
be
working
on
a
regulation
to
address
the
statutory
guidance.
Yes.
J
J
What
who
makes
it
up
and
the
role
of
the
commission
with
hoas,
because
my
understanding
is
not
that
the
regulations
would
be
created
by
the
hoas,
but
rather
that
this
is
enabling
language
that
allows
for
the
commission
to
kind
of
oversee
what
the
hoas
are
doing.
Is
that
correct,
and
could
you
give
us
that
background?
Thank
you.
S
Short
chandra
administrator
for
the
real
estate
division.
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
great
question.
So
yes,
the
cic
commission
is
a
seven-member
body
consisting
of
homeowners
very
specifically,
and
I
can
send
the
committee
the
exact
details
on
the
statutory
thing,
but
essentially
it
is
a
homeowner
of
the
homeowner
members.
We
also
have
a
attorney
member.
S
We
also
have
a
community
manager
member,
and
then
we
also
have
someone
that
is
a
cpa,
has
experience
in
audits,
and
so
the
seven
member
body
is
essentially
tasked
with
creating
regulation
or
at
least
working
through
regulation
to
address
hoas.
So
there's
two
things
that
we
know
we
have.
We
have
community
managers
that
are
licensed
through
our
office.
Those
are
your
professional
community
managers
that
run
associations,
and
we
also
want
to
understand
that
associations
are
members.
So
the
hoas
consist
of
members
that
are
elected
and
they're
a
body,
and
the
community
manager
helps
this.
S
This
group
run
their
hoa
more
efficiently.
So
that's
really
essentially
what
an
hoa
consists
of
members
that
are
on
the
board
that
make
the
decisions
and
the
hoa
is
covered
by
their
ccnr's,
which
talk
about
all
the
nitty-gritty
details.
116
is
a
layer
on
top
of
that
to
ensure
that
they
stay
in
compliance,
and
so
yes
so,
for
example,
something
like
this
in
the
statute.
It
says
that
the
commission
shall
promulgate
regulations
to
address
the
health
and
safety
violations.
S
Now
the
seven
member
body
will
go
through
a
regulation
workshop,
which
we
do
on
normally
on
regulations
and
and
essentially
we'll
have
a
public
forum,
a
workshop
people
can
write
in
and
there's
a
discussion,
and
then
this
body
will
kind
of
determine
what
those
regulations
look
like
and
then
eventually
it
will
come
to
the
legislative
commission
for
final
approval.
So
that's
the
process.
It's
not
run
by
the
hoas.
It
is
an
independent
body,
that's
appointed
by
the
governor
that
oversees
the
regulations
of
160.
J
Thank
you,
and
so
presently,
right
now,
the
these
types
of
policies
would
be
created
by
the
hoa,
but
this
would
be
saying
that
the
hoas
have
to
be
using
the
policy.
That's
then
created
by
this
commission
right
so
that
there
is
that
additional
that
and
it
ensures
kind
of
more
due
process.
I
imagine
and
then
more
consistency
for
between
hoa.
S
So
right
now,
if
we
just
talk
about
the
health
and
safety,
yes
hoa,
each
hoa
is
interpreting
what
health
and
safety
is
for
their
hoa,
and
I
believe
by
doing
this,
it
kind
of
gives
a
kind
of
a
level
playing
field
for
everyone
to
understand
what
those
are
and
only
things
that
are
that
serious
in
nature
and
those
can
be
discussed
and
established
by
the
commission
and
that
way
everyone's
on
the
same
page
and
we're
not
dealing
with,
because
I
believe
health
and
safety
violations
are
a
serious
violation
and
need
some
kind
of
a
framework
to
operate.
A
And
thank
you,
madam
vice
chair.
I
think
that
was
a
good
way
to
segue
and
to
kind
of
close
everything
up
and
wrap
up
any
lingering
questions
at
this
time.
We'll
go
ahead
and
move
on.
I
know
commerce
and
labor
is
starting
in
about
five
eight
minutes
here,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
give
the
opportunity
to
those
members.
I
need
to
leave
to
be
able
to
do
so.
A
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
invite
those
wishing
to
call
in
support
of
senate
bill
72
to
do
so
at
this
time
broadcast.
Please.
K
A
K
K
M
Good
morning,
chair
and
committee,
my
name
is
mike
kozar
k-o-s-o-r,
I'm
a
resident
of
southern
las
vegas
and
a
multiple
term
board.
Member
of
a
hoa
I
was
going
to
speak.
I
speak
in
opposition
and
to
in
the
interest
of
time.
Many
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
by
this
committee
were
very
good
questions
as
to
the
content
of
the
bill,
of
which
I
had
very
had
some
concerns,
and
so
therefore
won't
go
into
those
one
section
that
has
not
been
raised
where
I
haven't
concerned
deals
with
section
3a
of
the
proposed
amendment.
M
This
provision
by
eliminating
that
would
actually
allow
a
executive's
board
to
meet
anytime.
It
met
with
an
attorney
okay
that
would
open
up
a
broad
spectrum
that
I
think
the
statute
never
intended.
The
executive
board
session
be
allowed
to
do.
It
should
be
limited
to
just
the
four
or
five
provisions
that
are
there.
However,
eliminating
it
would
open
is
wide
open
and
I've
never
heard
a
justification
or
a
reason
why
that
change
was
necessary.
A
A
Thank
you
and
we'll
come
back
to
you,
sir.
I
don't
know
if
you
wish
to
address
the
concern
raised
by
the
opposition
and
or
any
closing
remarks
you
may
have.
Please.
S
Thank
you,
chair
flores.
Let
me
just
quickly
address
that
one
section
so
essentially,
currently
the
language
just
allows
an
association
to
meet
with
an
attorney
on
matters
relating
or
proposed
only
on
pending
litigation.
S
That
we
believe
is
a
little
restrictive,
because
an
association
should
be
able
to
engage
with
their
attorney
on
matters,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
went
back
and
just
fell
back
to
nrs
49
035
to
49.115,
which
is
attorney-client
privilege,
and
so
that
way
whatever
is
afforded
for
attorney-client
privilege
would
be
afforded
to
the
hoas
the
same
way,
and
that
was
the
only
concern
which
was
brought
up.
So
I
want
to
address
that
other
than
that.
S
A
And
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
With
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
senate
bill.
72
members,
please
make
sure
you
reach
out.
If
you
have
any
additional
questions
or
need
clarification
and
last
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment.
I
want
to
remind
those
of
you
who
intend
to
call
for
public
comment
that
this
is
not
a
time
to
reopen
a
hearing
on
a
particular
bill,
but
rather
for
you
to
speak
about
general
topics
that
fall
within
the
purview
of
this
committee.
L
L
L
It
took
the
reno
gazette
calling
them
out
on
it
for
the
dashboard
to
be
changed.
He
listed
the
homicides
on
the
first
dashboard
as
excited
delirium
in
zero
homicides,
nico
smith,
who
was
asphyxiated
by
multiple
washoe
county
deputies,
including
serge
and
corey
salforino
justin
thompson
was
at
the
other
homicide
as
well
as
my
brother,
thomas
purdy.
L
I
believe
that
it
was
intentional
propaganda
but
false
propaganda
by
sheriff
balaam.
There
should
be
a
database
to
review
complaints
made
against
any
police
officer
in
nevada,
whether
substantiated
or
not.
We
have
that
in
my
home
state
of
massachusetts,
rubber
bullets
can
be
life-altering.
Journalist,
linda
tirado,
was
permanently
blinded
in
her
left
eye
in
minnesota.
L
Soren
stevenson
walked
an
eye
after
getting
hit
by
a
rubber
bullet,
while
protesting
the
police
killing
of
george
floyd
this
summer.
Use
of
tear
gas
and
warfare,
as
with
all
other
chemical
weapons,
was
prohibited
by
the
geneva
protocol
of
1925.
It
prohibited
the
use
of
affixation
gas
or
any
kind
of
gas
liquid
substances
or
similar
materials.
Yet
we
allow
it
to
be
used
against
community
members.
Policies
are
not
law
and
what
do
klopp
say
to
us?
Don't
like
it
talk
to
your
legislators.
L
That
is
what
myself
and
your
constituents
have
been
doing
this
session.
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
last
year,
while
the
families
of
those
killed
by
reno
police
box
and
washer
county
sheriff's
were
honoring
our
loved
ones
during
reno
cop
watch,
an
annual
event
supporting
families,
reno
police
literally
stood
across
the
street
laughing,
as
mothers
were
on
the
mic
pouring
their
hearts
out
crying
to
the
community
wanting
justice,
just
like
george
floyd's
family
charges
in
jail
time.
Please
support
bills
that
promote
transparency
and
accountability.
L
K
M
Good
morning
committee,
my
name
is
mike
kozar
kosor.
I
felt
it
important
to
clarify
a
comment
made
by,
or
at
least
attempt
to
add
clarity
to
a
comment
by
administrative
chandra
reference.
My
comment
on
section
3a.
M
The
language
is
that
it
will
allow
the
hoa
board
to
meet
in
private,
to
discuss
with
the
council,
which
is
counter
to
the
intent
all
along
our
mind,
the
committee
that
the
council
to
an
hoa
actually
has
a
fiduciary
duty
to
all
homeowners,
not
necessarily
the
board,
except
the
board
in
its
representation
of
homeowners.
Therefore,
discussions
with
the
board
in
open
session,
which
are
open
only
to
members
is
not
necessarily
a
violation
and
should
be
considered
here.
Sir.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
calling
in
we
have
closed
the
hearing.
However,
I
I
want
you
to
be
able
to
get
your
point
across
if
I
could
ask
that
you
send
an
email
to
our
committee
manager,
ms
judy
bishop,
and
what
I'll
do
is
I'll,
ensure
that
all
members
get
that
concern
delivered
to
them
via
email
and
then
I'll.
Ask
that
the
members
reach
out
to
you
to
continue
the
dialogue,
should
they
agree
and
or
have
any
additional
questions
on
that
specific
hearing?
A
Do
that?
Thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
for
your
interest
in
and
helping
out
the
committee
today.
Next
caller
wishing
to
testify
in
public
comment.
A
Thank
you,
members.
Thank
you
for,
for
all
the
dialogue
and
the
back
and
forth
today
I
appreciate
everybody
coming
prepared
to
engage
in
in
thoughtful
conversation.