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A
Please
let
the
record
reflect
all
members
are
present.
I
know
during
the
roll
call
vote,
mr
secretary,
I
think
we
had
some
issues
with
the
audio
coming
in,
but
all
members
are
present.
We
have
a
quorum
good
morning.
Members,
I
hope
everybody's
doing
well
this
morning,
for
those
of
you
following
us,
virtually
welcome
to
your
committee
on
government
affairs
and
we
appreciate
you
joining
us
today
on
the
agenda.
We
have
two
excuse
me
three
bills,
we're
going
to
take
them
in
the
order
they
appear.
A
I
want
to
remind
those
of
you
who
are
following
us
virtually
for
the
first
time
that
you'll
see
us
often
looking
in
different
directions.
Please
don't
take
that
as
a
sign
of
disrespect.
We
often
have
two
or
three
monitors
in
front
of
us
and
we're
trying
to
keep
track
of
everything.
I
want
to
remind
the
members
to
please
keep
your
microphone
on
mute
unless
you
are
speaking
and
that
you
please
keep
your
camera
on,
and
should
you
have
whatever
reason
you
got
to
take
care
of
something
in
your
office.
A
A
Assemblyman
allison,
just
for
the
sake
of
clarity,
you're
on
you're,
on
mute.
H
It
I
hit
the
button
twice.
You
want
me
to
start
all
over
sir.
Yes,
please!
Thank
you.
I
apologize
sir
good
morning,
mr
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
I
am
civil
and
john
ellison
representing
assembly
district
33.,
I'm
here
today
to
represent
present
assembly
bill
311,
which
revises
the
charter
of
the
elk
city
of
elko
for
background
information.
Mr
chair
elko
has
gone
to
the
point
where
it
has
to
make
some
large
decisions
on
the
future
of
elko.
H
This
bill
will
help
a
lot.
Also.
Mr
chair,
for
the
information.
Also,
there
is
an
exceptional
amendment
from
legal,
which
is
a
good,
a
very
good
amendment
and
so
we'll
be
presenting
that
also
well.
We
just
received
it
this
morning
and
if
I
may,
sir,
I
will
start
very
briefly.
Assembly
bill
311
allows
the
city
of
elko
to
decide
on
how
elko
township
should
be
preside
over
the
jet
by
the
judge.
H
The
bill
requires
the
city
of
elko
to
determine
whether
the
municipal
court
should
be
presided
over
by
the
justice
of
the
peace
of
elko
township.
As
an
ex-official
municipal
judge,
one
or
more
appointed
municipal
judges
or
a
combination
of
the
two.
This
bill
also
authorized.
The
city
bill
could
decide
the
court
into
separate
departments
if
there
is
more
than
one
justice
of
the
peace
set,
the
terms
of
the
office
and
the
salaries
determine
the
duties
of.
I
would
like
the
duties
of
this
by
the
judge.
I
apologize,
sir.
H
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
curtis
coulter,
ilco
city
manager
and
to
tom,
coyle
ilco
city
attorney,
to
add
testimony
mr
chair,
or
would
you
like
to
go
to
some
spots
on
the
bill?
First.
H
A
I
Morning,
good
morning,
chairman
flores,
would
you
like
me
to
go
ahead
and
start?
Please
do
okay,
thank
you,
chairman
flores
and
members
of
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee.
My
name
is
curtis
calder
and
I'm
the
elko
city
manager,
and
I
am
speaking
in
support
of
ab311
a
bill
that
seeks
to
amend
the
elko
city
charter.
I
As
many
of
you
may
know,
the
city
of
elko
was
incorporated
in
1917
and
is
the
county
seat
of
elko
county.
The
city
of
elko
is
the
largest
city
in
elko
county
and
is
considered
the
regional
hub
of
economic
and
governmental
activity
as
such,
the
city
and
county
cooperate
in
providing
various
services
to
our
citizens.
I
Under
this
arrangement,
an
elko
county
justice
of
the
peace
typically
serves
as
the
city
of
elko
municipal
judge,
through
the
appointment
by
the
elko
city
council,
courtroom,
space
and
court
administration
is
consolidated
under
one
roof,
thereby
saving
taxpayer
money,
as
our
community
has
grown.
So
as
the
need
for
judicial
resources
in
2017,
a
second
department
was
created
within
the
elko
county
justice
court
system
and
although
a
second
justice
of
the
piece
was
added,
we
only
need
the
one
municipal
court
judge
to
handle
municipal
court.
I
I
We
believe
the
proposed
changes
provide
flexibility
for
future
community
growth
and,
again,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
ab311
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Somebody
even
alison
would
you
like
for
us
to
go
back
to
you,
or
would
you
like
for
us
to
open
it
up
for
questions
at
this
time.
H
I
Yes,
assemblyman
ellison.
That
is
correct.
We're
going
to
have
mr
coyle
address
the
amendment
and
any
of
the
specifics
of
the
bill
itself.
Perfect.
J
Morning,
I
am
the
deputy
city
attorney
for
the
city
of
elko,
also
speaking
in
support
of
ab
311,
chairman
flores
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
address
you
concerning
this
bill.
J
Hopefully
we
have
a
compact
bill
here
without
many
controversies,
and
it
appears
that
the
summary
and
digest
attached
to
ab311
provide
a
good
synopsis
of
the
city's
proposed
bill.
J
Section
2
of
the
bill
add
some
sections
to
the
charter.
First,
we
have
a
new
section
4.012
in
that
subsection
one.
The
council
is
granted
authority
to
use
justices
of
the
peace
as
ex-officio
municipal
court
judges
or
the
council
may
provide
for
appointed
judges,
so
giving
us
some
flexibility
there,
subsection
two.
J
J
If
there
are
multiple
judges,
then
the
court
would
be
divided
into
departments,
as
is
common
in
courts
with
more
than
one
judge.
The
remaining
subsections
of
that
new
charter,
section
4.012
really
follow
traditional
law
and
and
don't
need
any
further
comment.
J
We
have
a
new
section,
also
in
the
section
two
of
the
bill,
which
gives
us
a
section
four
point,
one
in
our
charter.
This
is
applicable
to
the
appointed
judge
situation
and
in
subsection
one.
It
just
provides
that
judges
appointed
would
be
appointed
in
the
same
manner
as
other
appointed
officers
of
the
city.
J
Subsection
three
just
provide
standard
provisions
related
to
filling
a
vacancy
for
the
appointed
judges.
If
that's
the
system
that's
in
place,
then
we
move
to
section
three
of
the
bill.
J
J
J
Language
is
very
similar
to
what
is
currently
found
in
the
sparks
charter.
That's
where
a
lot
of
that
language
came
from.
The
senior
judge
generally
is
authorized
to
be
the
administrative
judge.
However,
if
he
decides
not
to
he
or
she,
and
there
is
agreement
between
the
judges,
then
a
different
judge
could
act
in
that
capacity
and
in
4.022
also
it
grants
authority
to
the
senior
judge
or
the
administrative
judge
over
things
such
as
rules,
calendaring
budgets,
employees,
etc.
J
Then
we
have
another
new
charter
provision
in
4.026
which
provides
for
court
employees
and
other
administrative
matters.
It
basically
clarifies
the
separation
of
power
issues
that
many
times
come
up
between
the
local
government
and
the
court,
and
in
this
particular
instance,
we
specify
that
the
court
has
the
authority
in
hiring
and
firing
its
employees
and
prescribing
the
duties
of
those
employees.
J
J
Basically
under
state
law,
there
really
isn't
some
direct
or
specific
authority
to
the
judges
to
permit
them
to
order
intermittent
sentencing
on
jail
terms.
However,
they
do
it
quite
often,
and-
and
it
is
a
benefit
to
the
defendants,
because
quite
often,
that's
what's
needed
for
them
to
maintain
their
employment.
J
A
Questions.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
for
walking
us
through
that
doing
that
section.
By
section
breakdown
I
do
anticipate
some
members
will
will
go
back
and
ask
detailed
questions
as
to
the
need
and
or
benefit
of
that.
I
do
appreciate
you
doing
the
section
by
section,
however,
and
with
that
we'll
go
to
questions
and
we'll
start
off
with
assemblywoman
thomas.
I
know
you
have
mentioned
that.
Maybe
your
question
had
been
answered
yesterday.
K
M
L
You
assemblymember
ellison
for
bringing
this
forward
as
well
as
mr
coyle,
mr
calder,
for
the
presentation.
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
actually
about
the
process
and
then
for
bringing
this
forward
and
then
the
second
is
directly
related
to
one
of
the
bills,
language.
So
the
first
question
when
it
came
to
changing
the
charter,
is
there
a
charter
committee
that
met
to
discuss
this
issue,
or
do
you
have
a
charter
committee
that
reviews
your
charter
on
a
continuing
basis
to
make
sure
that
everything's
working
out
okay?
L
I
Assemblywoman
anderson,
this
is
curtis
calder,
elko
city
manager
and
although
we
do
have
a
number
of
committees
at
the
city
of
elko,
typically
advisory
committees
in
this
instance,
this
went
directly
to
the
city
council
in
a
public
meeting
and
was
discussed
and
city
council
voted
unanimously
to
initiate
this
charter
amendment,
and
it
was
a
lot
of
it-
was
based
on
some
of
the
commentary
we
were
receiving
from
the
elko
county
justices
of
the
peace
they
were,
they
were
requesting
a
change.
So
thank
you
for
your
question.
L
And
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
I
would
just
for
me,
I
would
advocate
for
for
all
of
the
cities
and
counties
to
have
those
charter
committees,
because
I
do
think
sometimes
it's
important
to
have
many
people
in
the
room
beyond
the
city
council
that
that's
who
I
am.
The
second
question
has
to
do
with
the
language
on
section
4.024,
subsection
2..
It
has
to
do
basically
with
the
at
will
employees
and
of
the
court
administrator.
In
particular.
L
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
had
specified
in
a
later
portion
of
the
bill
about
the
court
interpreters,
because
that
is
something
that
is
very
important.
I
think
many
people
forget
about
when
it
comes
to
our
court
system,
but
under
section
two,
as
well
as
three
you've
got
a
court
administrator
that
is
appointed
by
the
judge.
So
I'm
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
Is
that
consistent
with
other
city
count
or
city
charters?
Or
is
this
something
that
that
was
a
decision
made
at
the
city
council
area?
L
It
just
kind
of
feels
kind
of
weird
to
have
a
judge,
also
be
the
boss,
basically
or
supervisor,
of
an
at-will
employee
when
judges
are
usually
elected,
so
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
works.
Exactly.
J
L
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
coyle,
for
that.
For
that
clarification
that
a
you
know
the
the
judge
may
in
her
decision
or
her
ability,
hire
and
or
fire
the
court
administrator
so
greatly
appreciate
that
clarification
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
that
time.
A
Thank
you
assemblywoman
next,
we'll
go
to
assemblywoman
consonant.
N
Thank
you,
chair
flores,
and
thank
you
for
this
bill.
I
find
it
incredibly
interesting
and
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
so
that
I
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
this
all
fits
together.
The
first
one
is
that
says:
existing
law
is
that
the
the
judges
for
the
city
of
elko
are
currently
appointed.
J
In
the
city
of
elko,
basically,
what
has
happened?
I've
been.
J
J
They
would
have
the
option
to
potentially
have
their
own
appointed
judge,
but,
as
mr
calder
described,
we
have
this
long-standing
agreement
with
the
county
and
cost
sharing
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
I
think
even
employees
under
that
agreement
still
remain
county
employees
at
present.
But
anyhow,
it
officially
goes
to
the
city
council.
N
N
So,
from
a
from
a
practical
standpoint,
if
it's,
if
they're
looking
to
fill
the
position,
if
they're
not
looking
to
just
review
the
judge,
is
it
like
any
attorneys
can
apply
for
that
position
and
the
city
council
reviews
them,
or
does
the
city
council
come
up
with
whoever
they
want
to
do
it
like?
I
was
kind
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
portion
of
the
process
happens.
J
And
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
take
that
one
curtis,
this
tom
coyle
deputy
city
attorney,
at
least
at
this
point.
I've
not
been
made
aware
where
the
city
opened
it
up
to
consideration
of
its
own
separate
appointed
judge
system,
and
so
it's
been
basically
a
review
of
the
justice
court
jp
being
considered
in
the
city
going
forward
with
appointing
that
person.
Since
I've
been
with
the
city.
I
An
assemblywoman
this
is
curtis
calder,
elko
city
manager.
I've
been
with
the
city
of
elko
for
22
years,
so
I've
been
here
for
a
while
too,
and
we
have
not
had
a
scenario
where
the
elko
county
justice
of
the
peace
didn't
want
the
job.
So
to
speak.
I
I
The
city
of
elko
would
be
put
into
a
position
where
we
would
have
to
go
out
for
some
type
of
a
recruitment
for
a
municipal
judge,
much
like
a
city
manager
or
a
fire
chief
or
a
police
chief,
which
are
also
appointed
officials,
and
then
the
city
of
elko
would
have
to
locate
a
facility
that
we
could
actually
operate
a
municipal
court.
Out
of
so
it
wouldn't
really
be
a
financially
prudent
decision
for
either
the
county
or
the
city
to
separate
that.
But
it's
certainly
a
possibility.
I
If
the
justice
of
the
peace
did
not
want
to
be
the
municipal
judge,
they
could
refuse
that
that
could
be
a
possibility.
So
one
of
the
the
goals
with
this
legislation
was
just
to
bring
a
lot
more
clarity
to
that
antiquated
charter
language,
as
these
courts
evolve.
There's
certainly
the
possibility
in
the
in
the
future
that
the
city
will
need
to
have
a
separate
municipal
court,
and
this
language
would
actually
help
facilitate
that
in
that
event.
N
Money,
thank
you
for
that
answer,
but
now
I
apologize
if
I
misconstrued
my
question
because
I,
what
I
was
trying
to
to
figure
out
is
the
process.
I
guess
whether
it
be
a
municipal
judge
or
justice
of
the
peace,
when
that
judge
is
when
this
city
determines,
who
that's
going
to
be,
because
does
that
mean
that
the
same
person
has
been
a
judge
or
municipal
court
judge
or
justice
currently
for
22
years,
or
has
there
been
a
process
whenever
there
has
been
a
replacement
of
how
someone
can
then
become
that
position?
J
The
justices
of
the
peace
have
a
term
of
office
for
six
years,
and
so
at
every
six
year
interval
so
far
they
have
been
considered
for
appointment
and
also,
as
the
other
jps
in
the
county
are
elected.
They
also
come
up
for
consideration
in
just
the
alternate
list
that
the
city
keeps
in
case.
The
sitting
jp
that's
acting
as
the
ex
officio
cannot
hear
a
particular
case
for
a
conflict
or
calendaring
issues.
N
I
I
thank
you,
I
believe
so,
if
you're
saying
that
you
that
there's
a
list
that
they
can
that
the
city
would
then
choose
from.
I
think
that
that's
what
I
I
guess
was
trying
to
figure
out,
but
I
will
just
go
to
my
second
question.
I
appreciate
all
the
time
I've
already
taken
up
so
the
way
that
this
bill
is
written.
N
It
has
that
appointment,
then
that
if
this
bill
were
to
were
to
pass
that
appointment
would
then
be
in
statute,
but
does
that
mean
that
it
would
not
ever
move
to
possible
election?
If
you
wanted
to
elect
that
position,
or
would
it
then
require
you
to
come
back
to
the
legislature?
If
you
wanted
to
change
that
appointed
position
to
an
elected
position.
J
J
Way
of
selecting
our
our
municipal
judge,
however,
I
think
I
think
in
answer
to
your
question,
if
we
really
wanted
to
go
to
elected
judges
for
the
city
separate
from
the
justice
of
the
peace,
we
would
have
to
come
back
for
an
amendment,
but
at
present
we're
maintaining
the
appointed
judge
system
and
that
can
either
be
the
elected
justice
of
the
peace
or
a
separate
appointed
officer.
E
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear
and
what
I
I
feel
like
you're
saying
is
that
your
justice
of
the
peace
is
an
elected
position
and
then
the
city
municipal
judge
is
an
appointed
position.
Is
that
correct.
J
Tom
coyle,
again,
yes,
that's
correct,
so
the
justice
of
the
peace
in
the
elko
township
is
an
elected
position,
and
now
we
have
two
of
those
but
for
them
to
serve.
As
the
municipal
court
judge,
there's
a
state
law
provision
right
now,
nrs
5.023
that
allows
a
city
to
basically
appoint
them
as
municipal
court
judges
in
an
ex-officio
capacity.
A
G
Thank
you,
jordan.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
answer
some
of
our
questions
into
the
bill.
I'm
looking
specifically
at
section
three
of
the
legislation.
G
I
noticed
the
salary
there's
been
some
changes
on
how
salary
changes
could
be
made
by
the
city
council
for
municipal
judges,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
about
what
this
process
would
look
like
now,
because
I,
if
you
can't,
if,
if
the
municipal
judge
is
appointed
and
their
salary
is
fixed,
would
the
salary
only
be
able
to
change
then,
if
that
the
judge
changed.
J
Tom
coyle
again
right
now
the
intention
I'm
not
reading
the
exact
language
at
the
moment,
but
it
was
to
provide
that
the
salary
would
be
able
to
be
changed,
but
only
at
the
end
of
each
term
of
office.
So
you
know
the
jp
in
the
ca.
Well,
if
we're
utilizing
the
jp
position,
then
it
can
be
changed
by
that.
A
change
in
that
interlocal
agreement,
basically
between
the
city
and
county.
G
If
that,
if
that
chart
was
to
stay
the
same,
if
the,
if
that
municipal
judge
was
to
stay
the
same
though
then
when
would
that
occur,
and
then
when
could
the
city
council
have
that
discussion
like?
Would
they
have
the
chest?
The
discussion
before
that?
That
judge
was
appointed
again
or
I'm
not
sure
if
that
question
makes
sense,
but
I'm
just
like
wondering
what
that
would
look
like
if
there
was
a
judge
that
was
maybe
to
remain
in
office
for
multiple
times.
J
Tom
coyle
again
and
yes,
I
think
that
question
makes
sense.
I
would
believe
that,
as
the
time
frame
approached
at
the
term
end
of
the
term
of
office,
then
that
judge
would
bring
that
matter
up
before
the
city
council
and
then
it
would
be
placed
on
an
agenda
whether
or
not
to
make
changes
to
its
resolution
setting
out
the
salary
provision.
J
G
You
get
another
question,
so
would
all
the
judges
be
because
I
my
understanding
from
this
is
that
the
salaries
of
all
appointed
municipal
judges
has
to
be
uniform,
and
so,
while
all
municipal
judges
they'll
be
appointed
at
the
exact
same
time,
because
then
I'm
not
sure
how
you
have
that
conversation
or
like
when
that
would
occur
right.
So
if
one
judge
is,
you
know,
appointed
in
2020
and
another
is
appointed
in
2021.
When
does
that
change
occur
because
it
can't
occur
during
the
current
term?.
J
Handling
the
court
because
he
could
devote
all
his
time
and
energy
to
just
municipal
court
matters,
and
so
it
would
just
come
up
every
two
years.
If
you
had
two
municipal
judges,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
we
can
say
right
now,
whether
or
not
that
would
be
staggered
or
or
not
those
appointments.
So-
and
I
appreciate
that
so
if
I
can
really
go
further
at
this
stage
on
that
hypothetical.
G
I
think-
and
I
appreciate
that
mr
coyle,
but
I
I
just
want
to
you
know-
I
think
that
should
be
a
consideration
while
we're
looking
at
this
legislation,
how
we
can
maybe
strengthen
that
language,
because
I
think
that
that's
a
very
possible
scenario
that
could
occur
in
a
city.
So
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
what
passes
here
would
make
sense.
J
D
A
H
Mr
chairman
and
I'd
like
to
thank
the
city,
curtis
colter
and
the
city
attorney
tom
coyle,
but
I
really
it's
good
to
have
a
committee.
That's
got
all
these
attorneys
on
there.
That
can
ask
a
lot
of
these
questions
and
and
if
you
look
at
the
I
am
I
I
sent
you
a
text
saying
some
good
questions
out
there
and
I
appreciate
that.
But
I
I
look
forward
to
hoping
to
see
this
bill
go
to
the
floor.
H
A
Thank
you
assemblyman,
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
you
and
your
counsel
so
that
maybe
we
can
get
some
stuff
clarified
and
or
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
brought
up
this
morning.
With
that,
let
me
close
out
the
hearing
on
the
stone
people,
311
and
lex
on
the
agenda.
A
A
I
I
don't
think
you
get
enough
appreciation
from
our
committee,
but
you
will
today
excuse
me,
so
we
close
out
the
hearing
on
the
summit
bill
311
and
we'll
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
315..
O
O
O
According
to
the
police
executive
research
forum,
the
risk
of
suicide
among
police
officers
is
54
percent
greater
than
among
workers
in
general
on
a
daily
basis.
Our
first
responders
are
exposed
to
horrific
real
life
situations
that
over
time
can
present
long
lasting
mental
health
disorders,
including
depression.
O
They
do
not
have
to
give
a
notification.
They
can
basically,
in
some
instances,
say
effective
at
5
pm.
Today
I
am
retiring,
so
it
wouldn't
be
fair
on
the
employer
to
require
that
they
immediately
provide
this
service
plus
we
have
a
shortage
of
mental
health
providers,
so
the
three
months
should
give
ample
time
to
address
that
issue
and
provide
the
necessary
services.
P
Finally,
a
big
thank
you
to
pko,
neil
for
carrying
and
working
on
this
bill
with
us
from
the
beginning.
My
name
is
steve
gramas
and
I'm
the
president
of
the
las
vegas
police,
protective
association
representing
over
3
500,
commissioned
officers
at
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department,
as
well
as
the
city
of
las
vegas.
P
This
bill
has
been
something
I
have
been
thinking
about
and
working
on
for
a
few
years,
many
times
in
an
officer
or
firefighter's
career.
We
see
things
that
we
will
never
forget
whether
it
was
one
of
many
violent
deaths
of
an
adult
or,
in
my
case,
the
death
of
a
young
girl
who
was
only
two
years
old
and
passed
away
from
sudden
infant
death
syndrome.
P
At
the
same
time,
I
myself
had
a
two-year-old
daughter.
We
as
first
responders
carry
the
mental
and
emotional
scars
of
a
career
filled
with
things
normal
people
will
never
and
should
never
be
exposed
to.
These
scars
are
lifelong,
but
often
times
never
visible
to
anyone
other
than
ourselves
and
our
families.
P
P
I
myself
have
spoken
to
many
retirees,
who
feel
disconnected
from
the
very
thing
that
they've
been
so
connected
to
for
20
to
30
years.
Some
may
consider
returning
to
substance
abuse
in
retirement
that
can
unfortunately
lead
to
depression,
anxiety,
ptsd
or,
as
we
have
seen
across
the
country,
unfortunately
taking
their
own
life.
P
I
attribute
these
issues
to
the
fact
that
an
officer
or
firefighter
never
truly
dealt
with
the
things
they
have
experienced
when
employed
or
never
truly
mentally,
prepared
themselves.
For
what
is
to
come
in
retirement
when
we
hire
on
our
agencies,
we
go
through
an
extensive
psychological
evaluation,
but
when
we
leave,
we
have
no
evaluation
in
place
to
make
sure
that
those
that
protected
us
are
being
taken
care
of
when
they're
in
retirement.
P
What
this
bill
will
do
is
give
police
and
firefighters
the
option
to
have
a
final
evaluation
without
fear
of
losing
their
job
under
fitness
for
duty,
which
most
officers
do
fear
chances
of
an
officer
truly
dealing
with
their
scars
on
the
way
out.
The
door
is
far
more
likely
than
while
they're
employed
it's
for
this
reason
that
this
bill
was
brought
forth
and
why
we
support
this
cause
to
take
care
of
those
who
took
care
of
us
and
risk
their
lives
and
mental
wellbeing
for
the
safety
of
the
citizens.
A
O
No
I'd
like
miss
freeman,
but
before
she
testifies
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
firefighters
would
just
be
basically
ditto
in
their
experiences,
their
observations
and
emotions
that
they
have
expressed
as
experienced
as
mr
gramas
has
also
said,
that
law
enforcement
faces.
So
basically
their
comments
now
would
be
ditto
and
I
apologize
for
them
not
being
evil.
As
they
said
it
was
an
emergency.
O
F
Good
morning
chair
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
here
today,
I
certainly
do
not
want
to
repeat
anything
that
mr
graham
has
already
eloquently
said.
I
live
in
the
same
space
and
I
actually
can
speak
as
an
officer,
and
now
I
can
speak
as
a
retired
officer.
I
worked
in
the
agency
for
the
city
of
las
vegas
department
of
public
safety
for
over
28
and
a
half
years
20
of
those
years.
F
I
was
in
a
formal
leadership
position
in
addition
to
that,
for
almost
the
last
10
years
I
was
at
the
helm
of
the
organization.
I
worked
very
closely
with
the
other
organizations
to
include
fire
in
our
community.
I
can
speak
to
that,
but
I'm
going
to
stay
specific
to
what
I
know
in
our
agency,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that
suicide
is
real
and
that
people
are
struggling
with
mental
health
and
suicidal
thoughts
throughout
their
career
and
after
their
career.
F
F
What
I'd
like
to
add
to
the
testimony
that
you've
already
heard
something
that's
different
is.
I
am
going
right
now,
through
my
my
doctoral
public
policy
degree,
I'm
graduating
in
may
I've
been
studying
this
for
two
decades.
However,
I've
been
exclusively
studying
it
for
over
three
years.
Now
I
did
a
survey
here
in
the
state
of
nevada.
F
The
survey
that
I
did
and
I'm
just
going
to
share
in
part
with
you,
the
survey
I
did
was
to
try
and
have
everyone's
voice
heard
that
wanted
to
be
heard
in
the
state
of
nevada
law
enforcement
officers.
Their
law
enforcement
time
was
specifically
here,
but
they
could
have
served
somewhere
else
as
well,
so
we're
bringing
people
in
who
have
passed,
post-traumatic
stress
and
experiences
of
tragedy
and
devastation
throughout
their
career,
whether
in
public
safety
or
also
military,
because
many
military
people
then
go
on
to
become
police
officers
and
or
firefighters
as
well.
F
So
what
I
tried
to
do
is
get
the
voices
of
all.
I
sent
my
survey
out
to
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association,
which
I
am
an
affiliate
of,
and
then
it
was
up
to
those
sheriffs
and
chiefs
to
go
ahead
and
forward
the
survey,
and
it
was
an
anonymous
survey
for
everyone
to
be
able
to
take,
and
it
included
retirees
on
it
out
of
two
weeks
that
I
had
the
survey
open,
844
law
enforcement
professionals
responded,
I
think,
that's
a
great
foundation
for
us,
because
we
don't
have
research
in
this
area.
F
Make
sure
about
the
retirees
there
was
strong
data
showing
that
there
was
everyone
believed.
F
At
least
I
want
to
tell
you
specifically
that
it
is
a
serious
problem
here
that
and
the
retired
law
enforcement
officer
data
showed
that
out
of
804
people
that
responded
to
this
specific
question
that
the
majority
of
them
felt
that
there
was
a
serious,
somewhat
serious,
very
serious
and
minimally
serious
problem,
and
these
are
people
that
are
saying
maybe
or
yes
to
the
question
and,
as
you
know,
I
would
believe
I
believe
you
know
that
we're
pretty
skeptical
in
our
in
our
work.
F
So
I've
tried
to
make
this
survey
very
benign
and
welcoming
for
people
to
take
again.
It
was
anonymous.
We
used
aggregate
data,
I
never
saw
it
and
I
actually
used
a
company
as
well.
That's
local
here.
The
innovative
research
and
analysis
company
and
dr
justin
gardner
from
who
also
is
a
doctorate
at
unlv,
is
the
one
who
who
did
who
conducted
all
the
data
for
me
and
gave
me
the
results.
So
it
was
completely
anonymous
as
well.
As
I
said.
F
I
just
want
to
thank
you
here
today
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart.
I
can
tell
you
what
it
feels
like
to
sit
and
to
struggle
and
now
to
be
on
the
end
of
re
now,
where
I'm
at
retirement,
where
my
family
has
been
my
law
enforcement
brothers
and
sisters
have
been
an
enormous
part
of
my
life.
Since
I
was
23
years
old,
and
now
I've
been
cut
off
from
them
and
now
I
understand
what
it
feels
like
to
be
a
retiree.
A
K
Good
morning,
chair
and
thank
you,
assemblyman
o'neill,
for
bringing
ab315
forward,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
two,
our
mr
grandmas
and
miss
freeman,
for
your
testimony.
A
K
You're
welcome.
Hopefully
everyone
can
hear
me
now.
K
What
I
wanted
to
to
express
is
that
I'm
so
happy
that
assemblyman
o'neal
brought
this
bill
forward,
because
for
so
long
we,
you
know,
as
a
society
have
kept
the
big
secret
and
that's
mental
health
issues,
especially
through
our
public
employees,
along
with
our
veterans,
along
with
them
active
duty,
military
members,
and
it's
time
it's
really
time
for
us
to
take
a
deep
breath
and
be
a
society
that
recognizes
ptsd,
recognizes
depression,
recognizes
suicide
anxiety.
K
Human
because
of
our
nature-
and
we
as
this
bill,
brings
forward
our
first
responders
our
public
employees
that
experience
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
these
egregious
and
heart,
rendering
situations
that
they
are
put
in.
You
know
from
the
car
accident
from
the
firefighter
that
has
to
retrieve
a
baby
that
has
been
severely
burned
it
it.
The
list
goes
on
and
on
and
for
us
not
to
recognize
that
these
men
and
women
go
through
these
mental
health
issues
as
a
society.
It
would
be
shame
on
us
so
again,
assemblymen
o'neill.
N
Thank
you,
chairman
flores,
and
thank
you
assemblyman
o'neill,
for
bringing
this
bill.
My
father
was
a
firefighter,
so
I
really
do
appreciate
this
this
bill.
My
question
is
about
section
1,
subsection
1b,
I'm
wondering
if
the
from
my
point
of
view,
the
language
is
a
little
vague,
where
it
says
not
more
than
two
hours
of
counseling
from
a
mental
health
professional
to
discuss,
etc.
N
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
that
is
not
something
that
would
then
be
here's
a
video.
Here's
an
online
form
to
fill
out
like
this
would
be
with
a
mental
health
professional
where
there
would
be.
You
know
back
and
forth
that
it
isn't
just
a
one-sided
discussion
or
list
of
symptoms,
or
something
like
that.
N
O
O
N
Thank
you
assemblyman.
I
think
what
you
were
saying
with
a
mental
health
professional
that
would
that
would
have
that
would,
in
my
opinion,
take
care
of
it,
but
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
you
after
this.
I
appreciate
your
your
response.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
supplement
for
the
presentation
and
for
the
for
the
co-presenters.
I
do
appreciate
the
intent
of
this
legislation.
I
think
it's
excellent
to
ensure
that
you
know
our
first
responders
do
have
access
to
this
information
before
they're
retired.
My
question
along
similar
lines,
is
where
section
one
subsection
b,
where
it
says
not
more
than
two
hours
of
counseling.
I
think
it
should
be.
G
Probably
I
I
would
imagine
that
the
intent
is
at
least
two
hours
of
counseling
so
that
there
would
be
the
option
for
there
to
be
more
if
that,
if
that
organization
so
decided,
so
I
I
would
urge
you
to
consider
maybe
changing
that
not
more
to
at
least
unless
there
was
another
reason,
perhaps
why
we
kept
it
at
not
more.
O
O
In
speaking
with
the
various
membership,
they
felt
that
in
two
hours
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
block
one
time.
Usually
mental
health
experts
will
give
appointments
in
one
hour
blocks.
So
it's
could
be
two
different
sessions,
but
I
wanted
to
work
too
with
the
employing
agencies
not
to
give
them
an
extensive
unfunded
mandate.
So
that's
why
we
limited
it
at
not
more
than
two
hours
plus
they'll
also
have
access
to
their
own
personal
insurance,
post
fact
or
post
retirement.
G
That
could
also
mean
like
15
minutes
or
10
minutes
would
be
not
more
than
two
hours
right,
so
I
think
that
there
should
be
like
a
minimum
set,
even
if
it's
not
two
hours
right
like
at
least
one
hour,
maybe
not
more
than
two
hours,
but
I
think
that
I
would
urge
you
to
consider
that
language,
because
I
think
that
the
as
written
right
now
not
more,
it
could
be
significantly
less
time
than
I
think
it's
intended
in
this
bill.
O
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
assemblymember
o'neil
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
with
a
few
individuals
as
well
about
this
a
little
bit
beforehand,
so
I
really
appreciate
the
adding
in
of
three
months
even
after
because
that
was
a
huge,
huge
concern
for
many
individuals
of
how
do
you
make
sure
that
that's
equal?
So
I
really
appreciate
that
amendment
being
brought
forward.
L
My
second
question,
though,
is:
what's
the
checks
and
balances?
How
do
we
know
if
this,
I
guess,
if
it's
working
and
then
also
is
there
an
availability,
then
for
individuals
when
they're
retired
most
of
the
time
they
they
then
are
on
the
the
peb
insurance?
L
O
F
Sure
this
is
michelle
freeman
for
the
record,
so
what
I
would
say
is
each
agency
handles
it
differently,
probably,
and
they
each
have
different
insurances,
so
I
I
obviously
don't
want
to
be
as
bold
to
be
able
to
speak
for
all
of
them.
What
I
will
say
is
that
there
can
absolutely
be
a
checks
and
balance
within
the
agency
if
they
already
have
set
up
whichever
provider
that
they're
going
to
use,
then
they
could
just
mimic
whatever
they
use
right
now.
F
Many
of
the
agencies
throughout
the
state
of
nevada
already
have
a
medical
health
evaluation
that
is
nrs
617
ensures
that
we
have
that
every
year
a
lot
of
the
agencies
have
it
here,
so
something
that
we
do,
even
though,
that's
what
on
duty,
what
you
just
do
is
you
keep
your
roster
for
the
city
of
las
vegas,
which
is
where
I
worked?
We
had
a
it
was
almost
like.
I
think
four
I
would
say
four
ways
to
check
some
balance.
F
So
I
think
that,
what's
already
created
in
many
of
the
agencies
could
be
used,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
very
important
question
that
you
know
you
don't
want
to
make
it
cumbersome,
but
you
definitely
want
to
have
that
that
checks
and
balance
is
really
smart
to
ensure
that
the
agencies
know
that
that's
part
of
the
responsibility
and
they
can
just
have
that
on
their
out
processing
for
the
city
of
las
vegas.
F
Again,
what
I
would
say
is
it's:
we
have
a
hr
liaison
and
an
hr
department
and
on
the
out
processing,
there's
a
check
literally
a
check
sheet
to
ensure
people
have
certain
things
that
have
been
taken
place.
It
could
be
added
to
that.
But
again
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
every
agency
within
our
valley.
L
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
you
know
I
I
just
got
up.
I
noticed
we
we
touched
on
firemen
and
the
police,
which
of
course,
but
a
lot
of
the
places
have
privatized
emts,
I
think
in
las
vegas.
Do
they
not,
and
what
about
the
first
responders?
I
mean
these
guys
get
their.
You
know
the
ambulance
whatever
and
and
they
still
have
to
deal
with
this
as
much
as
everybody
else
and
that's
my
first
question.
The
other
question
I
really
have
is
the
shortness
of
of
healthcare
experts
that
are
out
there.
H
It
seemed
like
that,
the
more
we
try,
the
less
we
find
them
because
of
the
salaries
or
whatever,
but
we
really
have
a
problem
with
that
and
and
we've
got
to
get
more
mental
health
people
out
there
to
help.
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
to
look
at
the
salaries
or
what
we
got
to
do,
but
I
talked
to
some
kids
the
other
day
that
were
going
through
college.
So
there
is,
it
is
a
push
to
help
get
these
positions
filled.
So
I
hope
you
can
answer
that
and
then
the
other
thing.
H
O
Thank
you
so
much
ellison
for
the
question.
The
first
part
is,
I
don't
want
to
go
into
the
ambulance
private
enterprise
and
make
requirements
on
them.
That
may
be
a
contractual
issue
that
they
have
with
their
employees,
but
for
now
I
wanted
to
concentrate
on
our
government
first
responders,
they're,
the
ones
that
will
initially
deal
with
and
over
and
over
again
as
their
career
in
these
dramatic
serious
incidents
that
will
stay
with
them.
O
That
was
an
issue
that
nobody's
been
able
to
really,
I
think,
you're
talking
about
the
volunteers
of
fire
and
it's
difficult
to
address
volunteers,
because
there
is
no
retirement,
really
they
volunteer
for
their
time
period,
and
so
that
would
have
to
be.
I
haven't
heard
from
any
of
the
small
volunteer
associations
or
groups
on
any
verbage
suggestions
or
for
inclusion
in
this.
H
Follow
mr
chair
on
what
I
would
thank
you.
What
I
was
looking
at
was
some
of
these
small
small
communities
like
jackpot.
Maybe
might
have
two
policemen
wind
over
three
ely
eureka,
tonipah
hawthorne,
these
small
small
departments
that
are
on
real
real
tight
budgets.
That's
what
I
was
talking
about.
They're
they're,
full-time
employees,
but
they're,
but
their
budgets
are
really
strapped
pretty
bad.
So
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
look
at,
not
the
volunteers,
but
I
was
looking
at
the
the
smaller
departments.
O
I
appreciate
the
clarification,
someone
else
and
that's
why
we
limit
it
to
a
maximum
of
the
two
hours
of
treatment
for
them
and
instead
of
burning
them
with
the
unfunded
mandate.
I
know
that
tonopah,
as
you
mentioned,
is
actually
covered
by
knight
county,
which
is
a
larger
agency.
They
cover
currently
their
health
benefits
of
heart
and
lung,
so
it
can
be
included
in
some
of
that
with
them,
as
that
additional
cost
upon
retirement
and
not
all
officers
reach
retirement
age.
Some
may
leave
earlier.
So
it
really
deals.
A
A
D
B
Good
morning,
chair
flores
vice
chair
tours
and
members
of
the
government
affairs
committee,
I'm
eric
spratley
e-r-I-c-s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y,
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association,
we're
here
in
support
of
assembly,
bill
315
and
the
amendment
and
appreciate
the
assembly
woman.
I'm
sorry.
We
appreciate
the
assemblyman
bringing
this
forward
along
with
chief
freeman
and
steve
grams
of
their
presentation.
Testimony
on
the
bill.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
the
committee
for
considering
this
bill.
A
D
M
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
mike
cathcart
c-a-t-h
c-a-r,
representing
the
city
of
henderson.
The
city
is
fully
invested
in
a
public
safety
wellness
program
and
had
and
has
hired
a
public
safety
wellness
manager
who
is
establishing
the
program
that
will
assist
employees
who
witness
traumatic
incidents
in
the
course
of
their
work.
You
know
this
program
will
provide
crisis
intervention
services,
such
as
guidance
and
referrals
to
public
safety.
M
A
D
B
Good
morning,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee,
my
name
is
ron
dreyer
d-r-e-h-e-r
here
before
you
today
by
telephone
to
ask
your
support
in
passing
ab315
with
the
amendments
as
proposed
by
assemblyman
o'neill.
B
As
as
I
I
appear
on
behalf
of
the
members
of
the
reno
police,
protective
association
is
a
member
of
the
psan
and
is
a
retired
renal
police
department,
major
crimes
detective
and
is
one
who
has
represented
many
officers
over
the
37
years.
In
my
past
different
types
of
issues
affecting
their
mental
health,
we
thank
assemblyman
o'neill
and
those
co-sponsors
for
sponsoring
this
legislation.
B
Ab315
provides
peace
officers
who
are
retiring,
an
opportunity
to
have
counseling
from
a
mental
health
professional
to
go
over.
Assistance
can
be
provided
to
the
officers
regarding
mental
health
issues.
That
officers
may
face
post-retirement
most
officers
during
their
careers
view
horrific
crime
scenes.
Some
are
involved
in
officer-involved
shootings,
some
have
to
use
deadly
force.
B
In
the
past,
we've
been
told
as
a
retiree
and
as
someone
who
has
watched
my
friends
commit
suicide
after
issues
that
they've
seen
we've
been
told
to
suck
it
up.
You
know
you
can
do
it.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
anything.
I've
watched
that
over
the
years
and
officers
have
to
be
strong
and
see
this
type
of
issues
that
they
encounter.
This
bill
at
least
provides
a
start.
It
provides
counseling
to
them.
It
helps
these
retirees
as
they,
I
guess,
progress
into
retirement
and
look
at
different
areas
of
their
lives.
B
We
thank
again
assemblyman
pk
o'neill
members
of
this
committee.
Please
support
this
bill.
We
appreciate
it
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
know
it's
difficult
in
the
telephone
to
do
that.
I'd
love
to
be
there
in
present,
but
I
think
that
you
have
heard
the
best
from
steve,
gramas
and
assemblyman
pk
o'neal
and
michelle
freeman.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
And
thank
you
for
sharing,
obviously
such
a
hurtful
story
with
us
as
a
form
of
empowering
other
nevadans
and
working
with
us.
So
thank
you.
We'll
continue
with
those
wishing
to
testify
assembly
bill
315.
D
B
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
rick
mccann,
executive
director
of
the
nevada
association
of
public
safety
officers
and
a
member
of
the
nevada
law
enforcement
coalition.
We
do
entirely
support
this
concept.
It
is
a
great
concept.
It's
been
offered
with
great
support,
and
we
appreciate
mr
gravis
and
ms
freeman
providing
their
support
along
with
assemblyman
o'neill,
together
with
assemblyman
o'neill's
amendment.
B
We
have
offered
this
the
sponsor
a
small
friendly
amendment
as
well,
and
we're
hoping
that
he
will
embrace
that
change,
but
in
any
event,
we
do
support
ab315
and
we
encourage
this
committee
to
do
the
same.
Once
again,
thank
you
for
assembling
o'neill
for
and
the
co-sponsors
for
for
this
important
build,
bringing
it
before
you
to
be
considered
at
this
committee
level.
Thank
you.
D
M
Hello,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
chuck
callaway
c-a-l-l-a-w-a-y,
representing
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
We
appreciate
assemblyman
o'neill,
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
we
definitely
take
the
mental
health
of
our
officers
very
seriously
and
we
are
here
in
support
of
the
bill.
Thank
you.
D
D
C
We
have
a
structure
in
clark
county
that
I
just
needed
to
take
a
look
at
we
to
make
sure
that
we
can
continue
to
use
that
structure
and
that,
based
on
the
conversation
at
during
the
hearing,
it
seems
like
that
that
is
the
intent,
and
so
we
will
absolutely
work
with
the
sponsor
on
this
clark.
County
fire
actually
has
their
own
internal
peer
support
network
that
has
that
they
have
grown
and
built.
C
They
call
it
the
rescuing
for
the
rescuer
anecdotally
and
we
believe
very
strongly
in
this
support,
and
that
is
what
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
discuss
with
the
bill
sponsor,
and
I
believe
that
we
can
work
it
out.
So
we
are
committed
to
doing
that.
Chair
flores
and
we
will
follow
up
with
the
bill
sponsor
afterwards.
A
Understood
and
thank
you
for
your
commitment
to
to
help
assemblyman
o'neill
reach
the
objective
we'll
go
to
the
next
caller
wishing
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position.
O
O
F
Thank
you,
mr
grandmas.
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
assemblyman
o'neill
as
well.
I
just
want
to
say
I
really
think
this
is
imperative.
It's
imperative
that
we
change
our
culture.
It's
imperative,
like
we've,
heard
the
testimony
today.
We
know
that
people
are
struggling
in
silence.
We
know
that
mental
health
is
real.
We
know
that
mental
health
and
suicide
are
things
that
are
happening
within
our
community
and
even
deeper
in
our
in
our
police
and
fire
community.
F
Our
public
safety
community
and
people
are
going
in
silence
and
suffering
because
they
feel
like
that
they
can't
say
anything
and
they
can't
do
anything
because
they
feel
like
it's
a
weakness
and
actually
it's
a
strength.
It's
a
strength
to
reach
out
and
get
help,
and
knowing
that
I've
been
in
I've
been
on
the
american
foundation
for
suicide
prevention.
I'm
not
representing
them
today,
but
I've
been
on
the
board
since
2013,
I'm
a
co-chair
in
the
education
committee.
F
I
offer
a
lot
of
education
and
awareness
and
I
can
see
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
that
understanding
and
awareness.
So
the
cultural
change
is
imperative,
and
this
is
something
that
affects
our
entire
community.
It
is
not
just
the
the
first
responder
and
the
first
responders
family,
which
is
horrific
enough
and
as
far
as
the
fiscal
impact
I
will
say,
how
can
you
put
a
fiscal
impact
on
a
life?
F
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
today,
chair
and
assemblyman
o'neill.
I
feel
humbled
and
grateful
to
be
standing
with
mr
grandmas
and
and
assemblyman
o'neill
on
this.
Thank
you.
P
Yes
again,
thank
you,
chair
flores,
thank
you
to
the
committee.
Thank
you
to
all
the
committee
members
with
all
the
the
positive
words
of
wanting
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
our
law
enforcement,
firefighters.
P
Those
things
really
mean
a
lot
to
our
our
members
and
our
officers
and
our
firefighters.
What
this
bill
is
intended
to
do
is
to
jump
start
the
conversation
for
that
retiree
to
get
them
to
go,
seek
help
if
it's
needed
it
was
mentioned
earlier
about.
You
know
their
insurance
and
afterwards,
and
we
have
very
good
insurance
providers
in
retirement
if
officers
or
firemen
choose
to
accept
it.
P
But
what
this
step
will
do
is
kind
of
put
it
right
in
front
of
their
face
and
not
let
them
put
it
off
until
it's
too
late
to
say:
hey
here's
two
hours
get
off
your
chest,
but
you
need
to
get
off
and
when
you
do
that,
maybe
that
spurned
you
to
go
into
your
insurance
and
say
you
know,
I
need
to
continue
this
counseling,
because
it's
important
and
clearly
there
are
some
issues
so
that
we
don't
have
to
bury
another
co-worker,
whether
20
years
retired
or
two
years
or
so
december
midoriya.
P
O
O
I
urge
your
support
for
this
significant
piece
of
legislation
that
will
help
our
first
responders
deal
with
the
mental
health
toll.
It
takes
to
protect
our
families,
homes
and
neighborhoods,
and
I
will
work
with
the
stakeholders
to
ensure
that
we
get
an
amendment
to
you
as
soon
as
possible,
so
you
can
move
this
bill
forward.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
this
time.
A
And
thank
you,
assemblymen,
o
neo,
and
and
to
all
our
women
and
men
who
are
on
the
front
lines
consistently
fighting
to
protect
all
nevadans.
I
think
we
owe
it
to
you
to
try
to
help
you
in
whatever
way
we
can.
So
we
look
forward
to
working
alongside
of
you,
mr
o'neill,
mr
grandmas
and
ms
friedman.
Thank
you
for
all
your
work
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
out.
A
O
I'm
glad
you're
having
me
back
chair,
I
guess
I
should
start
out
with
once
again
wishing
you
all
a
good
morning
to
chairman
flores
and
the
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
I
am
pk
o'neal
representing
assembly
district
40,
which
includes
carson
city
and
part
of
southeast
washoe
county.
Today.
I
am
here
to
introduce
assembly
bill
316
for
your
consideration.
O
This
proposed
legislation
aims
to
ensure
that
veterans
are
fully
aware
that
they
may
be
responsible
for
fees
if
they
utilize
certain
entities
in
attaining
their
va
benefits.
Veteran
administration
benefits,
as
well
as
informing
veterans
that
there
are
multiple
agencies
who
will
assist
the
veteran
in
attaining
these
benefits.
For
free
with
me
today.
To
assist
on
this
important
endeavor
is
tony
yarber,
who
is
secretary
for
the
united
veterans
legislative
council.
O
O
O
Section
one
is
so
short:
it's
standard
language.
So
let's
move
to
section
two
section
two
requires
any
person
who
advertises
or
promotes
any
event
or
other
public
gathering
or
other
service
relating
to
benefits
or
entitlement
for
veterans,
with
certain
exceptions
to
disclose
certain
information,
including
that
one,
the
event
or
services
provided
are
not
associated
with
the
united
states,
department
of
veteran
affairs,
the
department
of
veterans,
services
or
certain
organizations
for
veterans
and
two
the
veteran
may
qualify
for
benefits
other
than
those
discussed
or
advertised.
O
O
This
section
also
requires
the
department
of
veterans
services
to
prescribe
the
form
for
the
written
disclosure
section.
4
authorizes
the
attorney
general
to
collect
a
civil
penalty
of
not
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
for
each
violation
of
those
provisions
of
this
bill
and
section
5
allows
for
any
person
who
is
a
victim
of
consumer
fraud
to
bring
a
civil
action
against
the
entity
that
committed
the
violation.
O
Q
Good
morning,
excuse
me
good
morning,
chair,
excuse
me
floors
and,
and
vice
chair
tories
and
of
course,
thank
you,
so
very,
very
much
assemblyman
o'neil
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
There's
a
this
is
this
is
one
of
the
true
veteran
bills
that
you
will
come
across.
That
was
been
collated.
If
you
will,
by
a
a
large
handful
of
veterans
and
a
lot
of
supporters
for
the
record,
my
name
is
tony
yarbrough.
Q
Q
So
all
I'm
asking
as
we
go
through
this
as
we
move
forward.
Please
remember
them
the
sacrifices
that
all
the
families
made
and
a
commitment
to
serve
our
country
and
how
proudly
you
support
them.
A
b
316,
basically
as
as
started
out,
is
simply
an
act
for
veterans
to
require
disclosure
of
certain
information
concerning
events
and
services.
Q
So
you
understand
where
this,
where
the
foundation
of
this
is
upon,
entering
the
military
or
in
service
to
the
department
of
defense
for
the
dod
u.s
government
assumes
all
responsibility
for
each
person
that
assumes
the
responsibility
for
all
levels
if
everybody's
familiar
with
maslow's
hierarchy
of
man,
the
basic
psychological
and
self-fulfillment,
which
is
essentially
their
entire
life
and
well-being,
if
a
veteran
or
eligible
dod
member
sustained
some
injury
or
condition
that
was
initiated
by
military
service
or
dod,
it's
called
service
connected
disability.
Q
If,
of
course,
it's
recognized
by
the
by
successful
award
through
the
u.s
department
of
veterans
affairs,
if
awarded
the
benefits,
include
a
disability
rating
of
zero
to
100
percent
and
are
followed
by
monetary
implementation
of
10
percent
or
greater
benefits
provided
are
intended
to
make
the
injured
or
disabled
person
whole
if
possible,
and
that
frequently
includes
monetary
compensation
that
can
range
from
hundreds
to
thousands
of
dollars
per
month.
Q
In
addition
to
health
care
services,
education,
vocational
rehabilitation,
in-home
health
care
and
pensions,
many
of
these
services
are
fully
covered
by
the
va.
The
attraction
of
a
potential
large
award
monies
provided
in
the
back
pay,
while
waiting
for
a
claim
to
be
processed
is
very
attractive
to
any
unscrupulous
service
provider.
Q
Veterans
in
nevada
have
numerous
avenues
to
obtain
representation
for
benefits
from
the
va,
the
nevada
department
of
veterans
services
and
va
accredited
service
officers,
veteran
service
officer.
We
call
them
vsos
and
agents
or
attorneys
are
well
versed
in
representing
veterans
or
assisted
in
filing
for
health
care
or
other
benefits
for
the
va.
Q
Q
State
of
nevada
has
nearly
two
thousand
five
hundred
veterans
living
here
in
the
state
and
over
one
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
veterans
enrolled
in
the
va
system,
with
over
fifty
thousand
receiving
disability
compensation
with
the
number
of
veterans
steadily
increasing
the
vsos
get
overwhelmed
and
groups
or
law
firms
create
an
opportunity
to
fill
the
gaps,
unlike
vsos,
who
are
typically
non-profits
and
have
the
funding
to
hire
representatives
to
help
veterans
file
claims
at
no
cost.
Q
Other
groups
operate
with
the
only
funding
coming
from
the
veterans
receiving
their
benefits
anytime
that
there's
a
reduction
of
force
from
a
particular
military
campaign
or
war.
There
is
a
surge
in
disability
claims,
in
addition
to
aging
veterans,
increasing
increases
in
routine
discharges
from
active
duty
reserves,
a
national
guard,
as
normally
expected.
Q
Q
Q
There's
been
a
combination
of
situations
where
the
national
attorney's
general
training
and
research
institute
has
detailed
this
with
the
predatory,
predatory
practices
of
va
claims
representation
they
go
in,
they
go
into
extreme
death
and
they
go
through
the
detail
to
explain
that
they
have
financial
planners
who
promise
to
qualify
ineligible
veterans
by
repositioning
assets
with
financial
products,
not
always
in
the
veterans.
Best
interest
and
inaccurately
represent,
as
the
only
way
to
qualify
for
a
va
pension
benefit.
Q
Now
these
are
things
that
have
been
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
national
attorney
general's
training,
institute
and
and
research.
So
these
are
very
critical
issues
and
these
predatory
groups
take
advantage
of
this
practice
by
just
not
only
overcharging
but
not
informing
the
veterans
up
front
of
the
costs
and
charges
for
services
seeking
to
make
money
from
the
veterans
claim.
Q
Nevada
must
address
this
issue
to
protect
veterans,
seeking
benefits
and
protect
them
from
predatory
groups
seeking
to
profit
from
veterans
who
need
va,
benefits
and
health
care.
This
bill
ab316
will
reduce
these
predatory
practices
and
protect
veterans
from
losing
benefits
being
scammed
into
thinking.
They
can
receive
benefits
or
receive
services
that
are
subpar
and
overcharged.
Q
A
O
A
That
works.
Thank
you,
assemblyman
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
questions,
and
I
am
now
reviewing
the
chat.
We'll
start
off
with
the
somebody
woman
brown
me.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
to
settlement
o'neill,
mr
yarbrough,
for
that
great
presentation,
and
I
want
to
commend
your
efforts
to
support
our
veterans
and
protect
their
interests.
My
dad
is
a
veteran.
My
brother
is
a
veteran
right,
so
it's
very
very
important
that
we
make
sure
that
our
veterans
are
informed
and
able
to
access
the
benefits
that
they're
entitled
to.
So
I
appreciate
that.
E
I
have
one
really
just
clarifying
question
relative
to
this
piece
section
two
actually
yeah
section
two
number
two:
any
person
who
advertises
or
promotes
services
to
represent
or
assist
veterans
matters,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
identify
the
written
disclosure
which
is
really
well
done.
In
my
opinion,
I
don't
see
in
here
anywhere
that
there's
an
identification
of,
perhaps
a
non-profit
organization
or
a
bonafide
501
c
3.
E
That
would
provide
benefits,
assistance
to
veterans
at
no
fee
right,
and
so
I
I
completely
understand
your
presentation
is
really
to
eliminate
the
bad
actors
out
there
and
unfortunately
there
are
I'm
sure
plenty.
But
is
there
a
way
to
denote?
Have
you
considered
maybe
identifying
bonafide
nonprofit
organizations
that
would
provide
this
service
at
no
fee?
Would
they
still
have
to
require
that
narrative
on
their
advertising
material.
Q
Thank
you,
assemblyman,
and,
and
thank
you
very
much,
someone
made
for
this
the
very,
very
pressing
question.
It's
excellent.
Q
The
reality
is,
I
think,
that
truth
and
advertising
cannot
hurt
anybody
from
any
perspective
matter
of
fact,
I
would
believe
that
that
would
be
reinforcement
to
help
the
both
the
person
seeking
the
services
and
the
person
providing
the
services
only
builds
trust
between
the
two
parties,
so
I
don't
see
where
it
would
would
matter
that
we
try
to
either.
You
know,
carve
out
something
uniquely
there.
I
think
it's
better
that
we
spread
the
word
and
be
as
transparent
as
we
possibly
can.
L
A
few
times,
my
question
has
to
do
with
section
four,
so
the
last
page,
page
four.
Why
is
the
amount
so
small
for
those
individuals
who
make
a
decision
to
prey
upon
our
veterans?
I
I
just
feel
that
a
thousand
dollars
feels
like
a
very
small
amount,
for
our
attorney
general
to
be
able
to
to
utilize
up
to
a
thousand
dollars.
So
I
was
just
wondering
why
it's
such
a
small
amount,
as
opposed
to
a
hardware
or
higher.
O
O
Q
Yes,
sir,
I
would
thank
you
again,
tony
yarbrough,
for
the
record
in
our
research
in
bringing
this
bill
forward,
we
came
across
some
other
states
that
had
been
doing
a
similar
activity
and
one
state
had
it
so
high
as
ten
thousand
dollars
for
the
first
incident,
but
we
also
found
out
that,
for
whatever
reasons
they
found
an
alternate
way
to
skip
around
the
law.
So
if
we,
if
we
make
the
initial
penalty
at
a
lower
level,
we
have
probably
a
greater
opportunity
of
catching
the
bad
actors,
at
least
once,
if
not
more
often.
Q
G
And
thank
you,
mr
abraham,
and
the
supplement
o'neill
for
the
presentation.
I
appreciate
this
legislation.
I
I
think
it's
excellent
for
our
organizations
to
be
transparent
about
the
services
they
do
and
don't
provide.
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
been
any
concerns
so
that
the
statement
is
a
little
too
long.
I'm
thinking
of
like
a
radio
having
an
announcement,
that's
30
seconds
and
having
to
read
all
of
this
text,
is
going
to
be
the
majority
of
that
announcement
of
that
event.
G
Additionally,
like
as
someone
who
organizes
a
lot
of
events
like
having
this
entire
statement
on
a
flyer
is
also
going
to
be
hard
or
it's
gonna,
the
text
is
gonna,
be
so
small
that,
like
you're,
not
gonna,
be
able
to
read
it.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
possibly
was
like
any
consideration
for
kind
of
condensing
that
a
little
bit
more
so
some
clear
statement,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
term
advertisement
includes
all
of
that,
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
that.
O
O
We
all
can
chuckle
at
she
does
it
quite
eloquently
and
quite
quickly,
so
that
to
me
addresses
that
radio
or
the
announcement
parts.
The
other
part
on
advertising
and
mr
yarbrough
may
have
a
different
or
comment
on
this.
But
to
me
I
want
to
make
sure
the
veteran,
whether
young,
old,
fully
cognizant
mentally
or
with
a
disability
understands
what
is
being
discussed.
O
I
regularly
get
emails
letters
asking
me
to
attend
various
functions,
seeing
how
they're
going
to
help
me
beat
taxes,
ensure
that
my
children
not
only
get
my
inheritance
but
my
neighbor's
inheritance,
etc,
and
they
do
it
in
such
a
fine,
refined
manner
that
I
really
see
where
some
people
can
get
and
I've
been
contacted
by
some
that
do
get
absorbed
into
this
without
really
the
full
realization.
O
Q
Yes,
tony
yarbrough
for
the
record,
assemblyman
o'neil
you're.
Absolutely
right!
I
mean
that.
That's
that's
exactly
what
takes
place.
Q
I
can
appreciate
the
fact
that,
yes,
from
from
a
10
second
radio
spot,
this
would
not
work.
I
get
it,
but
then
again
a
10
second.
Radio
spot
is
not
going
to
include
hardly
anything
anyway.
It's
just
telling
you
who
the
name
is.
So
if
you
look
at
a
20-second
spot,
you
might
get
a
phone
number
in
there
as
well
a
30-second
spot.
G
So
thank
you
and
I
appreciate
the
response,
so
this
kind
of
came
up.
But
if
you
look
at
page
three
line
two,
it
says
that
it
would
have
to
appear
in
the
same
typeface
and
font
as
the
largest
use
of
the
term
veteran
for
advertising
purposes.
That
would
be
like
nearly
impossible
like
that
would
be
the
entirety
of
the
flyer
right.
So
I
think
that
perhaps
that
section
would
be
worth
removing.
G
I
mean
I
would
still
considering
finding
and
perhaps
consulting
with
legal
if
there
would
be
like
a
shorter
way
to
condense
the
statement
that
still
meets
the
intents
of
the
organizations
because,
like
I
said
I
mean
advertising
slots,
are
really
short
and
you
still
want
to
make
sure
that
the
information
is
very
clear
or
even
like
referring
them
to
a
website
or
something.
I.
G
I
just
think
that
if
we
can
condense
that
it's
gonna
help
us
meet
the
intent
of
the
legislation,
which
is
so
that
veterans
understand
the
services
that
are
not
available
with
with
this
event.
So
I
I
just
think
we
should
consider
a
much
shorter
statement
and
then
perhaps
this
statement
in
written
text,
but
then
allowing
for
a
much
smaller
typeface,
because
that
would
be
the
entire
size
of
the.
Q
Flyer,
if
I
may
assemblyman
o'neill,
I
I
don't
disagree
with
your
thinking
and
I
I
believe
that
just
like
simon
o'neil,
we
would
certainly
entertain
some
kind
of
an
amendment
that
you
have
in
mind
to
make
something
more
more
sensible,
make
it
more
accessible
and
certainly
more
universal.
We
would
certainly
embrace
that.
Thank
you.
O
And
I'll
just
you
know
also
chime
in
saying
this.
Vice
chair
I'd
be
more
than
receptive
to
your
comments.
If
we
can
get
together
with
legal
and
see
what
they
might
come
up
with,
and
then
we
can
also
discuss
the
maybe
one
half
size
or
one
half
font
size,
so
they
did
a
12
font.
O
It
would
be
a
six
font
size,
you're
saying
in
advertising,
but
I
understand
you
correctly,
so
thank
you
and,
like
I
said
I'll,
get
with
you
and
get
with
legal
to
see
what
we
can
come
up
with
for
suggestions
and
then
go
back
to
the
veterans
for
their
concurrence.
N
N
So
if
there's
a
situation,
let's
say,
there's
a
large
like
ask
a
lawyer
event
or
there's
something
that
is
put
on
by
a
bonafide
501c3,
where
it
is
for
the
entire
community,
but
within
the
representatives
that
will
be
there
helping
people
there
will
be
people
with
specific
knowledge
on
veterans
affairs
or
knowledge
on
scams
that
are
happening
specifically
to
veterans.
N
So
in
that
scenario,
where
it's
a
broad
community
event,
am
I
reading
this
correctly
that
this
would
require
on
the
flyers
on
on
all
of
that
advertising
to
have
this
this
this
statement,
because
again
that
does
go
back
to
the
amount,
the
size
and
how
much
that
would
be,
and
I
know
there
are
several
of
those
events
throughout
you
know
throughout
the
year
that
do
help
veterans,
but
it's
in
a
larger
scope
of
an
event.
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
little
clarification
on
that.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
considine,
it's
my
understanding
of
that.
If
I'm
with
you
on
this
you're
talking
about
a
community
event
that
will
have
various
tables
or
representatives
out
there,
so
when
they're
advertising,
those
that
are
dealing
with
veterans,
yes,
should
have
that
advertising
there.
If
they
get
up
to
give
presentations
during
this
community
event,
then
they
should
have
an
acknowledgement
and,
as
I
said
prior
to
vice
chair's
thoughts,
we'll
try
to
work
on
shortening
that
up
to
assist
both
in
the
verbal
statement
and
in
the
written
and
mr
yarber
may
have
additional
information.
B
F
A
All
right,
thank
you,
assemblyman
and
thank
you
members
for
all
your
questions
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
go
to
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
build
316
broadcast.
If
we
could,
please
go
to
the
phone
lines.
D
D
M
M
When
the
three
veterans
contacted
my
office
afterwards,
they
were
quite
upset
because
they
had
no
idea.
There
was
a
no-cost
option.
All
three
veterans
understood
there
was
no
guarantee
of
success.
However,
they
did
feel
that
the
person
they
sought
assistance
from
should
have
continued
to
help
them
with
filing
an
appeal
to
va.
M
M
A
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
Next
caller
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill
316.
D
M
M
It's
critical
that
we
protect
our
veterans
from
bad
actors
as
we've
seen
time
and
again
in
a
post-world
war
or
post
9
11
era.
Organizations
such
as
the
wounded
warrior
project
twitter
accounts
such
as
code
of
vets
and
even
twice
impeached
former
president
trump
can
and
will
use
the
prospect
of
helping
vets
to
provide
cover
for
their
own
sleaze
and
greed.
D
D
C
This
is
kat
miller.
I
spell
k-a-t-m-I-l-l-e-r
director,
nevada,
department
of
veterans
services
and
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
calling
in
today,
because
I'd
like
to
comment
that
nevada
department
of
veterans
services
can
prescribe
a
form
for
written
disclosure,
as
defined
in
section
3,
paragraph
2
of
ab
316.
C
The
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
it
was
mentioned
that
ndbs
provided
some
language.
The
language
provided
was
derived
from
public
laws
in
other
states,
and
we
would
certainly
be
glad
to
assist
the
sponsor
or
others
in
any
amendments
that
would
adjust
the
language
to
make
it
more
palatable,
and
that's
all
I
had
sir.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
joining
us
this
morning
as
always
we'll
go
to
the
next
caller
wishing
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position
for
assembly
bill
316.
O
A
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
vice
chair
taurus,
and
thank
you
very
much
assemblyman
o'neill
specifically.
Q
It
is
their
right
to
pay
for
that
if
they
believe
that's
their
their
avenue,
but
unfortunately
we
are
dealing
with
a
significant
number
of
folks
that
are
aging
and
people
that
don't
have
the
comprehension
level,
sometimes
that
we
would
like
to
believe
that
they
have,
or
they
are
too
proud
to
ask
others
for
the
help
to
analyze
the
details
and
they
believe
that
and-
and
we
get
I
get-
calls
all
the
time.
How
do
I
get
my
benefits?
How
do
I,
what
do
I?
Q
What
am
I
supposed
to
do
and
all
I
can
do
at
that
point?
Is
I
direct
them
to
our
service
officers
and
we
have
many
many
service
officers
that
are
work
hard,
hard-working
people
that
certainly
know
their
avenue.
They
know
what
they
have
to
do.
They
know
the
job
and
they
they
do
their
very
very
best,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
we,
I
get
reports
of
frequent
reports
that
we
actually
have
millions
of
dollars
recovered
in
benefits
due
veterans
that
do
go
through
the
va
system.
Q
This
is
a
lot
of
money
and
unfortunately,
we've
got
veterans
who
are
losing
a
lot
of
money.
Now
I
know
that
service
officer
denise
has
just
made
comments
that
of
her
three
cases.
There
were
just
a
few
hundred
dollars
that
they
had
lost,
but
there's
been
situations
down
down
in
las
vegas
that
I
I
I'm
hesitant
to
even
say
the
name.
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
last
I
heard
was
caught.
It
cost
one
particular
veteran
a
thousand
dollars
and
they
knew
going
and
the
person
running
the
claim
knew
in
advance.
Q
They
had
no
chance
of
getting
the
claim
through
and
they
took
the
money
anyway
and
when
they
came
back
and
they
were
unhappy
that
they
didn't
get
it
goodbye
sorry,
we
need
to
do
the
right
thing
for
veterans,
and
this
is
our
opportunity
and
I
truly
appreciate
you
looking
at
doing
the
right
thing
for
veterans.
Thank
you
very,
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
sir,
and
as
always,
we
appreciate
your
passion
and
commitment
to
helping
our
veterans
and
for
all
the
service.
We
look
forward
to
working
alongside
of
you
with
this
bill
and
many
more
to
come,
man,
somebody
madison,
please.
H
Mr
chair,
I
thank
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
and
but
one
thing,
I'd
like
to
say
is,
is
I
think
one
of
my
colleagues
was
correct,
that
the
bill
should
be
changed
to
say
1
000,
two
up
to
ten
thousand
or
something
because
a
thousand
dollars
that
that
might
be
nothing
to
these
guys.
That's
all
I
gotta
say
thank
you.
O
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
ellison,
for
your
comments.
There's
a
smile
on
my
face
because
I
may
not
have
even
been
saying:
10
000
was
enough,
but
mr
yarber
did
ex
express
some
good
points
that
other
states
have
discussed
with
this
in
in
some
of
those
claims.
O
But
I
think
I
will
conclude
if
I
may
chair
thanking
the
committee
thanking
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
ab
316.
I
strongly
urge
your
support
of
the
legislation,
and
I
want
to
conclude
with
just
the
comment
that
mr
yarbrough
said,
which
was
so
aptly
and
succinctly
put.
This
will
help
veterans
who
helped
and
were
willing
to
give
their
lives
for
you,
for
your
families
and
for
your
future
families
and
for
all
of
us.
This
is
something
we
can
do
in
saying.
A
And
thank
you
assemblyman
o'neil
for
your
work
and
appreciate
you
working
with
us
and
knocking
two
bills
out
in
one
day.
So
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
316.
A
next
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment
and
those
of
you
wishing
to
testify
in
public
comment
that
this
is
not
a
time
for
us
to
reopen
the
debate
on
a
previously
heard
matter.
This
is
a
time
for
you
to
speak
about
general
matters
that
fall
within
the
purview
art
committee.
I
don't
want
to
cut
you
off.
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
speak.
I
just
don't
want
you
to
try
to
re-engage
and
debate
on
a
hearing
so
with
that
we'll
go
to
the
public
lines
broadcast.
Please.
A
Understood
thank
you
and
I
was
just
waiting
for
a
second
because
I
thought
I
had
received
an
email,
but
I
may
have
misread
that
so
this
time
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
out
public
comment,
and
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
tomorrow,
friday
march
26th,
we
have
two
items
on
the
agenda:
give
yourself
an
opportunity
to
become
familiar
with
those
we'll
be
hearing
assembly
bill,
268
and
assembly
bill
280
will
be
starting
at
9am
members.