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A
President,
thank
you,
mr
mary.
Please
let
the
record
reflect
all
members
are
present.
We
have
a
forum
good
morning
members.
I
want
to
remind
you
to
please
keep
your
microphone
on
mute
unless
you
are
speaking,
please
keep
your
camera
on
at
all
times.
Unless
you
have
an
emergency
or
you
have
to
take
care
of
something
real.
Quick,
just
give
me
a
quick
heads
up
and
everything
should
work
fine,
assemblywoman
constantine.
A
Oh
understood
messages
popping
up
that.
I
can't
hear
you
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
it
wasn't.
On
my
end,
thank
you
cindy,
and
I
also
wanted
to
remind
those
of
you
following
us
virtually
that
we
will
be
doing
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
today.
A
I
ask
those
of
you
wishing
to
speak
in
support,
opposition
or
neutral
that
you
limit
your
remarks
to
two
minutes
and
should
should
any
of
you
have
submitted
anything
to
us
previously
and
or
late,
we'll
try
to
get
that
on
the
record
so
that
it's
reflected
for
today's
bill
hearings.
Today
we
have
assembly
bill
87
and
assembly
bill
147
both
will
be
presented
by
assemblywoman
gwen,
and
she
asked
that.
I
please
make
it
a
point
to
say
that
we
all
win
with
assemblywoman
gwen.
D
D
I
should
say
that
mr
walker
will
be
presenting
assembly
bill
87,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
on
this,
I
know
that
for
many
of
you
it
is
very
technical.
It
is
very
technical
technical
for
me.
I
have
been
working
with
builders
and
utilities
and
counties
across
this
straight
state
over
the
past
year,
and
I
still
think
I
have
questions
about
my
true
understanding
of
all
the
language.
D
G
Good
morning,
mr
chair
matt,
walker
for
the
record
m-a-t-t
w-a-l-k-e-r
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada
home
builders,
I'm
honored
to
be
50
of
of
wednesday
today
in
the
in
the
committee
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
kick
it
over
to
nat
hodgson,
ceo
of
the
southern
nevada
homebuilders,
for
some
opening
remarks
about
the
intent
and
development
of
the
bill
and
then
I'll
do
a
very
brief
section
by
section
and
be
prepared
to
answer
any
questions
the
committee
might
have
today.
B
Thank
you,
mr
walker.
My
name
is
nat
hodgson
n.a.t,
hobson
h-o-d-g-s-o-n,
ceo
of
some
nevada
homeowners
association
good
morning,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee
assembly.
Bill
87
is
enabling
legislation
that
allows
for
local
governments
to
adopt
and
organize
the
streamlined
procedures
for
the
vacation
or
abandonment
of
certain
publicly
owned
or
controlled
easements
they're
not
currently
eligible
for
administrative
vacation.
B
When
people
ask
me
all
the
time
about
affordable
affordability
and
housing,
I
often
remind
them
that
house
prices
are
a
simple
mathematic
problem:
price
of
land,
price
of
materials,
price
of
labor
regulatory
costs
carry
cost,
which
equates
into
time
ab-87
seeks
to
speed
product
to
market
saving,
time
and
ultimately,
money
for
the
home
buyers.
This
bill
saves
local
government
employees
time
and
allows
their
time
to
be
spent
on
areas
of
greater
public
concern.
B
This
policy
was
a
result
of
a
working
group
with
commissioner
kirkpatrick
chairwoman,
compatriot
and
industry
representatives
to
identify
ways
to
increase
efficiencies
with
the
planning
department
processes.
Like
many
local
governments,
clark
county
has
more
retirements
and
less
experience
hands
to
allow
processing
times
to
keep
up
with
our
ever-increasing
number
of
applications.
B
The
group
identified
a
handful
of
changes,
one
being
an
administrative
processing
of
technical
easement
applications
where
all
relevant
parties
agree
to
these
applications
were
approved
100
of
the
time.
So
it
made
obvious
sense
to
start
with
this
one.
When
the
planning
department
attorneys
reviewed
this
proposal
many
years
ago,
they
found
a
statutory
obstacle.
Nrs
354.
B
It
only
allows
public
easements
utility
easements
to
be
vacated
administratively,
not
a
traffic
easement
or
any
other
public
easement
types
when
identifying
common
sense.
Vacation
types
for
this
bill,
it
was
important
to
protect
property
rights,
public
participation
when
an
easement
isn't
appropriate
for
an
administrative
vacation.
B
It
will
not
apply
to
vacations
of
easements
that
are
not
supported
by
the
local
government
that
owns
or
controls
the
the
easement.
I
think
it
is
very
important
to
understand
that
the
owner
of
the
adjacent
property
and
control
of
the
easement
would
have
to
agree
on
this
vacation.
This
enabled
legislation
can
save
up
to
anywhere
from
12
up
to
20
weeks
of
processing,
time
many
hours
saved
by
city
and
county
staff.
This
law
will
still
have
the
key
protections
for
property
owners
and
the
public.
G
Matt
walker
for
the
record,
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada
home
builders,
I'll
quickly
run
through
a
section
by
section
of
the
bill
section,
1
subsection
6
clarifies
that
when
a
street
is
vacated
by
a
local
government,
the
local
government
must
ensure
necessary
utility.
Easements
are
recorded
prior
to
the
vacation
or
abandonment
becoming
effective
for
clarity
of
the
record.
This
bill
would
not
authorize
any
change
to
the
way
streets
are
vacated
under
the
current
statute.
G
The
the
introductory
language
for
that
subsection
clarifies
that
this
new,
enabling
language
does
not
in
any
way
limit
the
existing
authority
of
nrs
278.480
for
local
governments
to
administratively
vacate
easements
for
public
utilities.
They
own
or
control
that's
existing
statute
and
would
not
be
interfered
with
with
this
bill.
Should
it
pass
this,
this
bill
simply
proposes
an
additional
authorization
for
local
governments
to
adopt
an
administrative
process.
G
It
also
requires
that
any
local
government
seeking
to
utilize
the
enabling
language
of
ab-87
must
adopt
a
new
administrative
process
by
an
ordinance
at
a
public
hearing.
This
is
a
key
feature
that
will
allow
local
governments
to
customize
the
process
for
the
unique
needs
of
their
community.
In
an
open
forum,
section
1,
subsection
11
outlines
key
guardrails
to
protect
property
owners
utilities
and
the
public
when
local
governments
adopt
an
ordinance.
G
Subsection
11b
requires
local
governments
that
adopt
an
administrative
ordinance
pursuant
to
this
bill
to
ensure
that
the
easement
is
in
the
public
interest
before
processing
administratively
11c
requires
the
administrative
process
adopted
pursuant
to
ab-87
to
include
a
process
by
which
an
agreed
party
can
appeal.
An
administrative
decision
11d
clarifies
that
this
administrative
vacation
ordinance
cannot
authorize
the
administrative
vacation
of
a
street
sidewalk
or
any
pedestrian
right-of-way.
G
In
closing,
I
would
like
to
thank
assembly
members
nguyen
and
roberts
for
helping
lead
this
important
safety
conversation
and
and
common
sense
streamlining
of
easements.
G
I
would
also
like
to
thank
representatives
of
the
laborers
union
clark,
county,
las
vegas,
henderson,
north
las
vegas,
neco
league
of
cities,
mv
energy
southwest
gas
cox,
communications,
att,
they're,
all
very
important
easement
stakeholders
that
provided
feedback
to
help
improve
this
concept,
and
we
we
appreciate
their
efforts.
The
sponsor
is
also
working
with
the
city
of
henderson
on
an
amendment
to
section
one
subsection:
six,
that
capture
captures
their
existing
practice
while
still
providing
protection
south
by
utilities.
G
We
thank
the
committee
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
assembly
bill
87
and
urge
your
support
for
this
common
sense,
enabling
legislation
to
help
local
governments
who
are
who
are
doing
more
with
less
during
these
tough
budgetary
times.
I
also
would
like
to
direct
the
committee's
attention
to
a
presentation:
that's
on
nellis
that
provides
some
additional
background
information
and
some
common
sense
examples
of
how
this
might
be
implemented
by
local
governments.
So
with
that,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
I
stand
ready
for
questions.
A
Thank
you,
mr
walker.
I
think
what
the
committee
heard
was.
Events
are
not
fun
for
cocktail
parties,
but
if
you
want
to
host
a
cocktail
party,
you
might
want
to
help
this
bill,
so
we
could
please
start
off
with
assemblyman
allison,
please.
H
Chairman
and
I
do
have
a
few
questions-
yeah
I'm
a
little
bit
of
have
a
little
knowledge
about
the
abandonment
and
vacation
property.
H
H
It
doesn't
say
anything
in
here
about
contact
and
the
property
owners
if
they've
got
any
interest
whatsoever
and
I'll
give
an
example
a
lot
of
them
to
the
back
as
abandoned
alleys
or
whatever
that
that
they
could
actually
maybe
use
five
feet
of
it
or
whatever
to
have
access
into
the
back
side
of
their
property
by
gates
or
entrance
or
whatever,
and
it
creates
a
property
tax
versus
a
dead
zone.
So
can
you
answer
them.
G
Matt
walker
for
the
record,
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada,
home
builders
association.
Thank
you,
simon
anderson,
for
the
question.
All
right,
listen,
that's
something
and
ellison
for
the
question.
I
I'll
start
by
saying
that
the
existing
process
that
local
governments
have
for
abandoning
or
vacating
easements
that
they
do
administratively,
whether
that's
privatization
of
a
sewer
or
abandonment
of
of
a
water
utility
easement
that
they
no
longer
use
that
process
remains
in
place
and
under
interfered
with
by
the
language
of
assembly
bill
87.
G
What
assembly
bill
87
would
do
is
take
that
tried
and
true
structure
and
statute
and
authorize
the
local
government
to
vacate
and
abandon
other
types
of
easements
that
they
own
or
control,
but
they're,
not
public
utility
easements.
So
in
your
example,
we
attempted
to
to
ensure
proper
protections
if
it's
gonna
interfere
with
anybody's
access
and
if
the
neighboring
and
adjacent
property
owners
and
utilities
haven't
affirmatively
stated
their
support
for
this
application,
it
does
not
go
through
administratively.
G
I
can
say
that
in
the
existing
and
robust
process
that
southern
nevada
jurisdictions
have
for
administrative
easement
vacations
there,
there
is
an
electronic
process
for
notifying
property
owners
at
the
time
that
the
county
receives
an
application.
G
The
public
works
department
will
scrub
it
for
any
concerns
that
they
might
have
on
behalf
of
the
the
local
government,
as
well
as
notify
any
any
utilities,
and
once
everybody
has
signed
off
that
that
administrative
process
can
continue
on
in
its
path
and
we're
really
talking
about
the
80
percent
of
easement
vacations
that
are
technical
and
where
utilities
and
adjacent
property
owners
agree
it.
Those
are
simply
the
only
parties
that
would
ever
want
to
provide
meaningful
input
at
a
public
hearing.
G
So
we
do
recognize
that
it's
important
that
property
rights
are
respected
and
that
access
to
property
is
preserved,
and
we
think
that
the
bill
strikes
that
appropriate
balance,
while
still
streamlining
and
expediting
those
common
sense,
easement
vacations
and
I'm
happy
to
provide
a
walk.
The
committee,
through
an
actual
example
of
how
that
would
work
and
there's
one
in
the
presentation
if,
if
that
would
be
okay
with
the
chair.
G
So
in
in
the
picture
presented
in
the
in
the
easement,
sometimes
that
providing
example
really
is
the
easiest
way
to
understand
what
this
bill
is
hoping
to
accomplish.
There
is
a
traffic
easement
located
at
this
intersection.
There
used
to
be
a
four-way
stop
at
las
vegas
boulevard
and
what's
now
link
lane,
the
county
knows
that
they're
never
going
to
signalize
that
intersection
again
and
where
the
property
owner
wants
to
add
some
additional
signage
and
do
some
unique
things
that
require
the
sidewalk
to
move.
G
The
owners
of
that
property,
with
the
consent
of
their
neighbors
and
with
all
utilities,
can
come
forward
with
that
administrative
vacation.
So,
instead
of
taking
the
20
weeks
to
go
through
a
town
board,
hearing
a
planning,
commission
hearing
and
then
a
county
commission
hearing
where
there
was
no
meaningful
dialogue
or
public
comment,
they
could
they
could
simply
do
that
notification
and
it
and
process
this
administratively
in
a
matter
of
two
or
three
weeks.
H
Yes,
I
did
sir,
and
I
totally
agree
what
you're
trying
to
do,
and
I
I
appreciate
that
the
only
thing
that
you
know
my
biggest
saying
is,
of
course,
is
the
property
rights.
Also,
you
know
that's
going
to
be
in
or
around
area,
but
where
it
says,
without
conducting
the
hearing,
and
I
agree
because
it
blogs
it
out
and
it
runs
it
out
forever.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
on
the
record
that
the
property
owners
adjacent
to
every
one
of
these
would
be
notified.
G
Matt
walker,
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada,
home
builders
association,
mr
ellison,
especially
in
the
case
of
undeveloped
parcels,
where
really
only
the
property
owner
might
know
the
ultimate
use
that
they
intend
for
that
property.
It's
critical.
They
get
noticed
and
have
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
where
they're
not
willing
to
verify
by
their
signature
that
they
support
this
application.
We
feel
it's
vital
that
these
applications
go
forward
to
a
public
hearing.
So
I
very
much
would
support
your
your
comments
and
concerns
that
you
expressed.
B
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
mr
walker.
I
have
an
understanding
of
easements
in
my
district,
which
is
fairly
older.
There
are
a
lot
of
easements
for
people
to
for
ingress
and
e-rest
of
people's
properties.
I
I
Those
two
examples
would
not
be
eligible
for
the
streamline
process.
It
would
only
be
in
in
new
areas,
because
I
think
I
got
a
little
confused
when
you
said
utility
polls
or
utility
would
not
be
included
in
this,
and
then
you
said
something
about
including
utilities.
So,
if
you
could
just
clarify
so
I
understand
thank
you.
G
Matt
walker
for
the
record,
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada,
home
builders
association.
Thanks
for
the
question
assemblywoman
consonant,
I
there's
an
existing
statutory
process
in
statute
for
public
for
administrative
vacation
of
public
utility
easements
that
are
owned
or
controlled
by
the
local
government.
So
where
the
local
government
say,
city
of
henderson
owns
its
own
water
utility,
they're
able
to
vacate
under
existing
statute
those
utility,
those
easements
that
they
no
longer
intend
to
use
through
an
administrative
process.
G
So
again
we're
seeking
to
capture
that
tried
and
true
process
and
extend
it
to
other
easement
types
that
a
local
government
owns
or
controls,
but
they
are
not
public
utility
easements
that
are
under
control
by
of
utilities
under
control
by
the
local
government,
so
where
a
private
utility
in
your
case,
maybe
envy
energy,
has
an
easement
that
also
wouldn't
be
the
subject
of
of
this
process.
G
This
process
tends
to
administratively
vacate
easements
that
are
owned
or
controlled
by
a
local
government,
so
again
we're
referring
to
traffic,
easements
and
other
type
of
of
kind
of
common
sense,
easements
that
may
need
to
be
moved
or
otherwise
adjusted
to
facilitate
infill
development
or
redevelopment
in
the
case
that
it's
the
backyard
of
one
of
your
constituents,
the
constituent
themselves
would
need
to
be
the
initiator
of
that
application,
and
all
the
neighboring
utilities
and
property
owners
would
need
to
be
notified
of
that
intent
to
to
vacate
that
easement
and
affirmatively
sign
by
signify
their
support
of
that
application
by
notorious
signature
in
order
for
that
to
move
forward.
G
I
So
then,
a
homeowner
in
that
situation
could
could
reach
out
to
the
local
government
to
find
out
whether
or
not
the
the
easement
on
their
property
is
owned
by
the
local
government.
Or
can
someone
who
has
that
easement
on
their
property,
just
contact
their
local
government
and
find
out
what
all
of
their
options
are.
G
Matt
walker
for
the
record,
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada
home
builders
association,
right
that
with
any
planning
application.
Typically,
the
first
step
that
I
encourage
everybody
to
take,
whether
that's
a
business
or
or
a
private
homeowner,
is
to
contact
the
the
planning
department
for
their
local
government
and
and
find
out
what
is
there
who
owns
it
and
and
what
the
process
might
be
to
vacate
that
I
am
not
100
sure.
A
scenario
in
which
a
private
property
owner-
that's
just
a
homeowner,
would
want
to
vacate
an
easement
for
their
home.
G
But
the
first
step
would
definitely
be
picking
up
the
phone
and
calling
the
local
government
or
consulting
some
of
the
online
tools
that
are
available
to
southern
nevada
residents
in
southern
nevada.
I
A
You
thank
you
assemblywoman.
A
A
I
believe
we
are
good
for
now
members
if
you
have
any
questions
at
the
conclusion
of
hearing,
support
and
opposition
at
that
time.
I'll
encourage
you
to
ask
questions
again.
I
understand
that
we
are
having
a
rather
technical
conversation
and
sometimes
it
takes
a
few
minutes
to
just
process
everything
we're
going
through,
and
I
know
that
we
read
things
a
certain
way,
but
then,
after
we
hear
the
presentation,
we
start
interpreting
things
differently.
A
So
with
that
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
invite
those
wishing
to
speak
in
support
of
assembly
bill
87,
I
my
understanding
is-
we
do
not
have
somebody
wishing
to
testify
via
video.
If
we
could
please
go
to
the
phone
on
those
wishing
testifying
support
of
assembly
bill
87.
If
you
could,
please
keep
your
limit
your
remarks
in
two
minutes.
J
J
K
K
Good
morning,
mr
chairman,
for
the
record
dan
morgan,
ceo
of
the
builders
association
of
northern
nevada,
the
builders
association
of
northern
nevada
is
northern
nevada's,
largest
representative
organization
of
the
home
building
and
development
community
in
the
construction
industry.
Time
is
money
and
the
builders
association,
consisten
consistently
looks
for
improvements
in
efficiencies
and
expedited
processes
within
our
local
governments.
K
A
J
H
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
josh
hicks,
I'm
an
attorney
at
mcdonald
carano,
I'm
here
before
you
today,
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
home
builders
association
in
support
of
ab-87,
the
nevada
home
builders
association
is
a
statewide
home
building
advocacy
group
that
is
governed
by
members
of
the
southern
nevada,
home
builders
association
and
the
builders
association
of
northern
nevada.
The
nvhba
engages
on
issues
of
statewide
importance
to
the
home
building
industry,
and
this
is
one
bill
that
we
see
as
very
positive
for
the
industry
throughout
the
state.
H
A
J
L
H
J
A
J
J
E
E
We
believe
that
baby
87
as
written
is
vague
in
some
circumstances,
as
it
references
only
property
of
property
owners
and
no
one
that
actually
has
an
interest
in
the
property,
a
particular
concern
or
drainage
easements
that
may
run
through
the
entirety
of
a
land
and
now
have
you
may
have
hundreds
of
neighbors.
That
would
be
in
opposition
to
the
development
and
can
utilize
this
statute
to
hold
up
the
development
process,
all
together
and
eventually
seeking
court
intervention.
E
I
do
agree
that
when
in
development
time
is
money-
and
while
this
is
intended
to
streamline
the
process,
we
find
that
in
in
actuality,
it
may
extend
the
process
as
it
sits.
Now,
there
is
no
longer
than
a
three
to
four
month
period
in
which
a
vacation,
abandonment
or
relocation
of
an
easement
takes
place
as
it
sits
now.
E
A
A
And
thank
you
for
your
testimony
members.
If,
at
some
point
we
may
have
questions,
there
may
be
folk
that
may
want
to
reach
back
out
to
you
I'll,
be
sure
to
provide
your
information
to
different
members
in
case
they
want
further
explanation
broadcast
if
we
could
continue
with
opposition
on
assembly
bill
87.
J
A
Thank
you
assemblywoman
or
mr
walker,
but
either
one
would
like
to
come
back
and
perhaps
touch
on
some
of
the
points
brought
up
by
both
the
opposition
via
phone,
and
I
don't
know
if
either
one
of
you
had
the
opportunity
to
briefly
review
the
letter
that
was
submitted
and
attached
now,
as
an
exhibit
also
stating
some
opposition
concerned
that,
in
the
efforts
of
trying
to
streamline,
we
may
actually
create
some
more
barriers.
If
perhaps
you
could
address
that
for
the
purposes
of
the
committee's
understanding.
G
Thank
you,
matt
walker,
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada,
homebuilders
association.
I
want
to
thank
this
committee
for
for
their
time
and
in
consideration
of
this
measure.
G
Speaking
to
some
of
the
opposition
comments,
I
will
first
remind
the
committee
that
the
bill
requires
not
only
notice
to
adjoining
property
owners,
but
it
requires
express
consent
of
the
property
owners,
as
documented
by
a
notarized
signature,
in
order
for
the
administrative
vacation
application
to
proceed,
miss
hamm
and
mr
waters,
who
have
provided
the
opposition
testimony
today,
we've
been
reaching
out
to
them
for
well
over
a
year.
G
G
So,
while
certainly
that's
frustrating
and
may
cause
some
confusion
for
purposes
of
today's
hearing,
we're
certainly
still
ready
and
available
to
meet
with
representatives
of
ehb
and
have
that
conversation
more
specifically
to
mr
waters
comments
in
the
letter.
G
I
think
that
there's,
like
some
confusion,
that
somehow
this
new
process
that
allows
for
administrative
vacations
of
new
easement
types,
somehow
modifies
the
existing
statutory
authority
of
local
governments
to
vacate
public
utility
easements
of
public
utilities
that
they
own
or
control
and
somehow
say
that
that
would
that
would
hold
up
development.
In
the
example
given
by
miss
ham,
where
there's
a
drainage
easement,
where
hundreds
of
neighbors
are
concerned
about
that
drainage,
easement.
G
That
easement
application
is
left
to
what
is
an
existing
statute,
which
means
it
would
go
to
a
full
public
hearing,
and
we
absolutely
want
it
to
because
those
neighbors
have
concerns
that
they
want
vetted
on
the
record
at
a
public
hearing.
So
I
think
that
for
those
who
have
had
dialogue
with
the
bill
sponsor
and
come
to
an
understanding
of
what
the
bill
does
that
they
should
have
a
high
level
of
comfort
with
the
the
requirements
associated
with
this
administrative
vacation
process.
G
G
They
don't
have
to
do
any
of
this,
enabling
legislation
associated
with
assembly
bill
87.
So
we're
really
talking
about
just
local
jurisdictions
that
see
some
value
and
would
like
to
adopt
an
administrative
process
that
administrative
process
would
be
through.
An
ordinance
which,
again
is,
is
publicly
discussed
and
put
forward
in
a
public
forum
where
property
owners
like
miss
ham's
development
company,
can
come
forward
and
make
comments
on
the
record
and
suggest
adjustments
to
ensure
that
their
rights
are
protected
in
their
set
of
unique
circumstances
where
they're
redeveloping
a
golf
course.
A
A
It
is
not
procedurally
correct
to
not
have
a
conversation
first
with
the
bill
sponsor
and
then
expressing
your
opposition,
especially
when
they've,
given
you
an
opportunity
to
sit
down
and
have
a
conversation
about
what
the
issue
is.
So
please
in
the
future,
reach
out
to
the
sponsor
and
then
have
a
conversation
with
the
sponsor
and
then
come
forth
with
your
opposition.
A
That's
how
we
like
to
proceed
here
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
assembly,
bill
87
and
I'd
like
to
briefly
provide
a
one-minute
recess
so
that
we
can
allow
one
of
our
close
presenters
to
come
on.
So
at
this
point
we're
going
to
one
minute
recents,
please
members
don't
go
anywhere.
A
Cindy,
I
know
we're
waiting
for
mr
tick
tiger
bloom.
I
am
in
contact
with
him
that
he
in
fact
has
received
the
link.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
he's
been
able
to
log
in
we
get
him
squared
away,
and
I
think
I
see
him
there.
A
Perfect
assemblywoman:
when
do
we
have
anybody
else,
co-presenting
with
you
a
lot
outside
of
the
mr
chick-fig-blue.
A
D
I
believe
that
there
was
bridget
duffy
was
perhaps
going
to
try
to
call
in
during
opposition.
I
know
that
she
could
actually
provide
some
additional
details.
A
It's
great
to
see
you,
mr
secretary,
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly,
bill
147
and
again
we'll
come
back
to
assemblywoman
gwen
good
morning.
Welcome
whenever
you're
ready,
you
can
commence.
D
Hello
again,
it's
just
the
day
of
win,
win,
win
win,
but
again
my
name
is
assemblywoman.
Rochelle
nguyen
I
represent
assembly
district
10
and
I
will
be
presenting
assembly
bill
47.,
although
I
have
never
been
in
this
committee
before
and
I
didn't
have
the
pleasure
of
serving
on
it
last
session,
I
feel
like
I
may
need
some
more
theatrics
in
my
presentations,
especially
coming
after
that
fascinating
easement
discussion.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
time
to
arrange
for
a
horse
parade
through
the
streets
of
carson,
maybe
next
time
or
post
a
viral
tick.
D
Tock
video,
like
your
vice
chair,
I
can
barely
figure
out
how
to
open
up
facebook.
D
I
don't
have
quite
the
twitter
game
that
my
co-presenter
senator
former
senator
and
current
clark
county
commissioner
tick
sugar
bloom
has,
and
I
don't
have
a
blog,
but
I
hope
that
this
will
be
a
lively
and
productive
policy
conversation
because
I
think
it's
important
with
that.
For
some
background.
For
those
of
you
who
were
on
this
committee
last
session,
you
may
recognize
this
bill.
D
It
is
the
same
bill
that
was
heard
about
mid-may
in
2019.
It
was
assembly
bill
539
and
if
people
want
to
go
back
and
view
that
previous
hearing
see
some
of
the
questions
and
do
that,
I
really
would
encourage
everyone
to
do
that.
It
was
originally
presented
by
clark
county
manager,
yolanda
king.
It
received
bipartisan
support
on
the
assembly
floor.
D
Unfortunately,
because
of
the
late
introduction
of
the
bill,
it
did
not
go
further
in
the
legislative
process
to
avoid
some
of
those
pitfalls
of
the
late
introduction.
I
did
pre-file
this
bill
in
july
of
2020
and
immediately
started
to
reach
out
in
an
attempt
to
gather,
support
and
work
on
any
possible
amendments
with
stakeholders.
D
D
I
believe
that
we
will
continue
to
have
those
conversations,
because
I
think
there
is
room
to
work
within
this
enabling
language
that's
contained
within
assembly
bill
147,
in
addition
to
reaching
out
to
our
local,
my
local
district
attorney's
office.
In
my
district,
the
clark
county
district
attorney-
and
I
believe
ms
duffy
will
be
on
the
line.
I
have
spoken
with
her
multiple
times
about
this.
D
I
also
reached
out
to
dagny
stapleton
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
association
of
counties
naco,
who
will
also
be
testifying
in
support
on
behalf
of
their
organization,
that
represents
the
interests
of
nevada
counties
previously
in
2019.
I
think
again
because
of
the
late
introduction
of
the
bill.
They
only
came
in
in
neutral
and
I'm
happy
to
have
their
support.
This
go
around
first
and
background.
D
I'm
not
going
to
go
line
by
line
on
the,
I
believe
it's
73
pages
of
this
bill,
but
I
am
going
to
highlight
some
of
the
things
that
are
my
intention
in
pursuing
this
bill
and
for
some
background,
I
will
give
you
information
on
how
county
council
works,
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
give
it
to
you
from
the
perspective
clark
county
just
because
that's
my
local
jurisdiction
and
it
does
work
similarly
across
the
state
and
other
counties.
D
The
county
council
for
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
the
county
manager
and
all
of
the
officers
that
are
currently
in
place
are
pursuant
to
nrs
chapter
252
under
the
direction
of
the
office
of
the
district
attorney,
which
is
an
elected
office.
The
office
of
the
district
attorney
is
also
a
department
of
the
county.
The
district
attorney
through
the
county
council
is
the
legal
advisor
for
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
the
county
manager
and
all
county
departments
and
is
also
responsible
for
defending
them
at
all
civil
actions
across
the
county.
D
It's
officers
it's
boards,
it's
commissions
and
it's
employees.
I
know
that
for
most
of
us,
when
we
think
of
the
district
attorney's
office,
we
think
of
prosecuting
crimes,
but
in
fact
their
you
know,
reach
is
far
more
reach
is
far
more
encompassing
than
just
prosecuting
criminal
crimes.
D
The
county
council
is
the
legal
advisor
for
county
departments,
the
commissioners,
the
county
manager-
and
it
is
my
intention
with
this
bill
that
I
believe
that
counties
should
have
the
ability
to
hire
independent
counsel
or
any
of
their
county
departments,
including
the
county
commissioners
under
nrs
chapter
266.
The
cities
will
also
have
this
authority
to
create
a
city
attorney's
office
that
acts
in
this
much
conflict-free
way.
D
What
this
bill
would
do
is
allow
the
same
permissive
authorities
to
counties
to
create
county
council
office
under
the
county
manager
commissioner's
office
counties
currently
do
not
have
the
authority
to
create
a
county
council
office
because
that
authority
sits
under
the
district
attorney's
office.
I'm
sure
many
of
your
members
on
this
assembly
assembly
members
on
this
committee
might
have
experienced
this
conflict
in
their
local
county
and
city
government.
D
I
know
we
have
former
city
council
people
on
this
committee,
so
you
might
see
this
with
a
conflict
of
interest
between
an
elected
prosecutor
or
city
attorney
and
a
city
council,
member
or
city
or
a
mayor,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
into
how
the
bill
is
outlined
and
what
language
in
the
bill
would
give
the
counties
the
authority
to
create
this
county
council
under
a
county
manager.
Commission
department.
It
would
be
separate
from
the
district
attorney's
office
and
it
would
allow
independence
of
county
council.
Obviously
there's
an
inherent
independence
issue.
D
However,
the
fact
that
the
fact
is
is
that
if
issues
do
arise
and
there
isn't
a
change
in
the
elected
official
or
elected
office
between
the
district
attorney's
office
or
even
the
county
commissioners
or
city
council,
that
there's
a
different
individual
that
might
have
different
views
on
the
office
of
the
district
attorney
and
what
kind
of
issues
and
things
they
would
support,
I
can
go
into
specific
details
of
section
five
and
six
if
you
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
your
members.
D
But
at
this
time
I
do
have
the
clark
county,
commissioner,
tick
segger
bloom.
My
neighbor
also
my
county
commissioner,
as
well
as
one
of
our
former
colleagues
in
the
legislature,
also
here
to
present
some
testimony.
So
at
this
time
I
will
kind
of
turn
it
over
to
him,
and
I
will
move
that
so
chair.
If
I
could
turn
this
over
for
commissioner
sega
bloom
to
present.
M
Great
to
see
you
and
thank
you
so
much,
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I'm
testifying
today
on
my
own
behalf.
This
is
not
just
on
behalf
of
the
clark
county
commission.
We
have
not
considered
this
issue
or
taken
a
vote
as
to
whether
to
support
it,
but
by
way
of
background
as
you'll
recall,
back
in
2017,
I
was
chair
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee.
M
At
that
time
I
had
a
bill
similar
dealing
with
the
with
the
city
attorney
in
reno,
and
the
same
issue
came
up
there
where
in
reno
they
have
elected
city
attorney
in
clark
county
and
these
other
countries.
We
have
elected
district
attorney.
The
problem
is,
I
think
you
have
an
inherent
ethical
conflict
when
you
have
one
elected
official
who's
responsible
for
the
attorney
or
another
elected
body,
and
essentially
that's
what
we're
having
here
is.
We
have
a
district
attorney,
who's
elected
on
his
own
or
his
or
her
own
has
has
their
staff.
M
Who
is
then
the
attorney
for
the
county
commission,
which
we
are
elected
on
our
own?
I
think
that
just
creates
an
ethical
and
an
impossible
ethical
condition
that
this
bill
would
rectify.
M
Just
by
way
of
karma,
let
me
just
read
a
little
bit
from
there's
a
letter
from
jon
jones,
the
district
attorney,
who
I
know
well
and
respect
so-
and
this
really
is
a
philosophical
debate.
But
here's
what
his
letter
says
that
I
think
has
been
introduced
today.
M
It
says:
historically,
civil
deputies
have
been
pressured
to
rubber
stamp
contracts
and
programs.
They've
been
pressed
to
approve
use
of
funds
in
ways
that
may
conflict
with
existing
law
operating
against
the
best
interests
of
clark
county
as
residents,
and
violate
the
spirit
of
ethics
laws.
Making
the
civil
attorney's
answerable
to
a
separately
elected
officials
gives
these
deputies
an
important
measure
of
impartiality
to
ensure
unbiased
legal
advice.
M
So
they're
on
the
record,
saying
basically
that
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
report
to
their
boss,
the
district
attorney
as
opposed
to
us,
the
clerk,
the
clark
county,
commission
and
again,
this
is
supposed
to
be
our
attorneys.
As
you
know,
as
you're
you're,
an
attorney
you
would
never
want
to
have
your
attorney
actually
be
held
responsible
by
somebody
else.
M
M
My
coach,
I
wanted
to
call
her
for
bringing
this
bill
again.
I
want
to
make
a
point
that
I'm
not
here
on
behalf
of
the
county
commission,
but
I
do
know
this
issue
very
well
and
it's
something
that
is
not
going
away.
So
I
appreciate
you
hearing
it
and
if
anyone
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
A
Mr
secretary
and
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot
in
it
and
if
and
if
the
answer
is
I
just
don't
know,
and
I
can't
answer
it-
it's
fine,
I'm
just
I'm
just
confused
why
the
county
commission
has
not
engaged
in
a
any
formal
conversation
in
this
bill.
A
It
was
here
two
years
ago
it
was
pre-filed,
and
understandably
we
know
that
there
there
is
a
concern
by
some
that
there
is
an
ethical,
a
dilemma
that
that
we
are
in
and
so
at
times
I
I
just
I
question
how
how
the
the
commission
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
have
this
conversation
now.
I
understand
we're
also
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic,
so
that
may
be
the
out,
but
I
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
why
we
didn't
engage
in
this
conversation.
M
Truthfully,
I
I
can't
answer
that
assembly.
One
win
may
have
a
better
answer,
but
it
came
on
my
radar.
I
think
today
I
think,
maybe
early
in
the
week
or
last
week,
but
we
have
got
and
if
that's
something
that
that
would
be
of
concern,
I
think
we
could
bring
it
to
the
commission's
attention.
D
And
wrote
shall
win
for
the
record.
I
think
I
might
be
able
to
help
clarify
some
of
the
conversations
that
took
place.
The
county
commission
is
under
open
meeting
like
restrictions,
so
they
they
can't
have
like
these
kind
of
conversations
like
there,
so
it
has
to
be
something
that
takes
place
individually.
D
I
I
did
reach
out
to
the
lobbyists
and
the
government
affairs
team
for
clark
county
in
particular,
and
I
know
that
when
I
introduced
the
bill,
as
you
know,
most
of
the
members
of
this
commission
are
this
committee
are
aware
we
had
an
election
that
wasn't
even
certified
until
pretty
late,
and
so
there
were
a
lot
of
new
members
to
the
clark
county
commissioners
that
were
added
in
particular
and
to
that
county
that
I
think
we
were.
They
were
trying
to
figure
out
where
they
stood
on
this
particular
bill.
D
But,
like
I
had
said
before,
I
will
continue
to
have
these
kind
of
conversations.
I
would
encourage
people
that
have
concerns
or
have
ideas
or
solutions
to
fix
some
of
these
conflicts
to
definitely
reach
out
to
me.
M
And
mr
chair,
just
if
I
just
add,
I
don't
want
this
to
reflect
at
all
on
marianne
miller,
our
county
council,
truthfully
she's
been
great,
and,
and
so,
but
it
is
just
it's
just
a
basic,
inherently
ethical
conflict
that
I
think
we
need
to
address.
And
and
so
I
appreciate
michelle,
bringing
this
forward.
A
And
thank
you
again,
mr
secretary,
and
then
I
it
wasn't
my
intent
to
just
single
you
specifically
out
or
your
commission
that
I
was
just
curious
to
understand
if,
if
the
conversations
were
happening
and
or
not,
why,
but
I.
D
I
think
the
other
thing
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
chair,
rochelle,
win
for
the
record.
We
we
did
reach
out
to
naco.
I
thought
that
that,
because
there
are
so
many
different
counties,
there's
so
many
different,
like
people
that
are
potentially
involved
in
the
discussion.
One
of
the
first
groups
that
I
worked
I
reached
out
to
was
like
dagny
stapleton.
D
I
asked
her
to
bring
this
to
her
members
of
naco,
because
I
knew
that
they
they
would
have
like
a
representative
voice
previously
in
2019.
I
think
because
of
late
introduction.
They
were
in
neutral
on
this
bill.
But
after
taking
a
vote
convening
and
fully
discussing
this
as
a
membership
and
as
an
organization,
they
decided
to
come
in
and
support,
and
so
she
will
be
on
the
line
to
provide
support.
Testimony.
A
Understood
understood
and-
and
I
know
really
the
nature
of
the
questions-
we're
really
triggering
from
pages
four,
I
mean
five
and
six,
where
I
see
that
we
we
have
some
conversations
about
populations
which
we're
trying
to
capture
certain
certain
certain
governments,
but
not
others.
But
let
me
go
to
let
me
go
to
assemblywoman
anderson
first.
C
Thank
you
and
good
morning.
Thank
you.
So
much
assemblymember
nguyen
feel,
like
I'm
part
of
my
new
winning
team
today,
as
well
as
a
commissioner
sega
bloom,
it's
always
nice
to
see
you.
My
question
has
to
do
with.
I've
got
two
questions.
Actually
the
first
one
has
to
do
with
section
five
sub
section.
I
guess
section
five
and
then
subsection
two,
where
all
of
those
roles
are
being
defined,
because
I
was
not
here
last
session
in
this
role,
so
I
was
not
paying
attention
to
this
bill
in
may.
C
Does
the
current
dea
or
their
appointee?
Maybe
it's
miss
miller,
as
referred
to
and
commissioner
segerbling's
comments.
Does
the
current
d.a
currently
attend
all
of
the
county
commission
meetings
and
perform
these
other
duties
as
well,
or
is
there
other
designations
that
are
necessary
that
the
county
commission
actually
has
to
privately
hire
individuals
to
be
part
of
this.
D
I
I
I
can
tackle
some
of
it,
and
maybe
commissioner
segerbloom
might
have
it.
I'm
sorry,
rochelle
win
for
the
record
section
five
of
the
bill.
It
authorizes
the
board
of
county
commissioners
to
create
an
office
of
county
councils
to
perform
many
of
those
like
non-criminal
duties
that
would
otherwise
be
assigned
to
the
district
attorney's
office.
I
I
will
tell
you
this.
D
The
civil
das
that
are
performing
a
lot
of
this
county
council
they're,
actually
housed
in
the
clark
county
building,
currently
the
district
attorney's
office
and
their
employees
and
staff,
are
all
county
employees.
Currently
it
is
the
elected
district
attorney,
and
then
there
is
the
county
council
it.
It
authorizes
the
county
manager
to
with
the
with
the
confirmation
of
the
board
of
county
commissioners
to
appoint
county
council.
So,
for
example,
we
they
they
do
this
with
the
public
defender's
office.
So
the
public
defender
is
not
an
elected
position.
D
It
is
appointed
by
the
county
commission,
so
they
set
forth
the
qualifications
for
the
appointment
of
that
county
county
council
or
that's
what
section
5
does
that's
what
they
do
similarly
anyway,
which
are
similar
to
the
qualifications
for
a
required
candidate
for
office
for
the
district
attorney.
D
Our
current
district
attorney
was
initially
appointed
by
the
board
or
the
county
commissioners
in
clark
county
to
serve
in
that
position.
He
later
ran
for
that
office,
but
he
was
appointed
by
clark
county
and
they
looked
at
some
of
these
things
that
they
would
use
normally
and
that's
what
is
the
intent
in
incorporating
that
into
this
statute?
Does
that.
D
Yeah
and
the
district
attorney's
office.
Currently
sorry,
I
didn't
answer
this
as
well.
You
know
existing
law
requires
the
district
attorney
to
perform
certain
legal
duties
for
the
county,
including
legal
opinions
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
the
county
townships,
as
well
as
district
offices.
D
They
are
currently
required
to
attend
meetings
of
the
board
of
county
commissioners
and
in
fact
they
are
attending.
They
are
required
to
attend
those,
even
if
some
agencies
have
hired
private
council.
In
addition
to
that,
I
think
of
the
school
board.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
agencies,
where
you
know
the
county.
D
You
know
the
school
board
has
like
independent
council,
but
also
since
the
district
attorney's
civil
division
should
probably
be
there
as
well,
so
they're
responsible
for
reviewing
all
contracts
under
consideration
for
the
board,
as
well
as
drafting
ordinances,
and
I
imagine,
when
things
are
outside
the
scope
of
the
knowledge
of
the
civil
das,
I
think
they
have
a
process
to
contract
out
with
experts
in
that
area
as
well,
and
I
I'm
sure
commissioner
zuckerbloom
might
have
some
more
information
on
how
much
of
that
stuff
they
do.
Contract
out.
M
C
Thank
you,
that's
so
fine!
Thank
you
very
much.
I
always
love
it
when
dad
gets
brought
to
the
room,
but
then
I
also
think
oh,
my
gosh
now
he's
looking
over
my
shoulder.
So
then
I
do
actually
I'm
so
happy
that
you
brought
up
the
school
district
assembly
member
nguyen,
because
I
was
going
to
ask
that
very
question.
C
In
washoe
county.
We
currently
have
a
difference
of
opinion
from
two
of
our
governmental
local
governmental
entities.
The
county,
commissioner,
is
saying
that
the
incline
really
quick
incline
village
there
was
a
tax
issue.
School
district
doesn't
is,
is
being
charged
for
a
large
amount
of
money.
So
there's
a
issue
between
that.
So
when
there
are
two
entities
such
as
that
is
the
da
currently
the
one
that
makes
that
decision
or
is
it
the
county
commissioners
who
make
that
that
decision
as
to
how
to
proceed?
C
D
Well,
I
think,
that's
part
of
the
conflict,
so
it
I'm
sorry
rochelle
win
for
the
record.
I
will
give
you
an
example:
it's
not
necessarily
in
that,
but
it's
you
know
more
in
my
wheelhouse,
so
I'm
an
attorney.
I
understand
conflicts.
I
know
that
many
on
this
committee
may
not
be
as
familiar,
but
I
believe
most
jobs
in
most
professions
have
similar
like
conflict
issues
that
they
have
to
be
aware
of.
I
I
we
eliminate
conflicts
because
it
protects
due
process.
Anyone
that
knows
me.
D
I
am
a
criminal
defense
attorney,
but
protecting
the
constitution
and
making
sure
that
everyone
has
their
due
process,
rights
and
notice.
I
mean
that
that's
one
of
the
foundations
of
our
justice
system,
so,
for
example,
in
my
professional
capacity,
I
can't
be
a
lawyer
for
a
criminal
defendant
and
also
be
that
same
lawyer
for
an
alleged
victim
in
a
crime.
D
I
can't
come
into
court
court
and
say
you
know
my
client
x
is
innocent
and
it
is
you
know
why
client
and
then
you
know,
use
information
that
I
know
about
my
representation
of
y
client
to
help
the
other
client
in
the
case.
If
that
makes
sense-
and
this
is
exactly
what
is
happening
under
our
current
system-
so
to
give
you
an
example,
the
district
attorney's
office
represents
the
agency,
the
department
of
family
services,
the
department
of
family
services.
D
D
They
have
strict
things
that
guidelines
that
have
specific
requirements,
that
aid
in
making
sure
that
when
they
are
reunifying
parents
with
their
children,
that
those
parents,
you
know,
are
getting
appropriate
counseling
that
their
supervision
that
aids
in
a
safe
and
continued
safe
reunification
of
families.
D
The
conflict
that
we
see
arise
a
lot
of
times
in
my
profession,
is
that
same
district
attorney
is
simultaneously
arguing
in
a
criminal
court
that,
against
this
reunification,
effort
against
their
own
agencies.
So
their
actions
at
times
are
in
direct
conflict
with
the
federal
guidelines
for
reunification.
D
These
two
things
cannot
occur
in
the
same
office.
I'm
not
saying
that
they
can't
occur
simultaneously
if
a
district
attorney
with
their
authority
and
their
you
know,
information
and
investigation
believe
that
someone
should
be
prosecuted
for
child
neglect
or
you
know
other
like
crimes,
and
they
are
protecting
the
interests
of
the
state
and
protecting
the
interests
of
those
victims
and
family.
They
should
be
able
to
do
so
without
being
in
a
position
where
they
are
in
direct
conflict
with
their
other
attorney
in
their
same
office.
D
So
that's
kind
of
an
example
of
where
this
it
currently
exists.
This
law,
obviously
with
the
creation
of
a
county
council
office
there
wouldn't
have
that
conflict
any
longer.
So
if
that
kind
of
helps,
explain.
C
A
Thank
you
assemblywoman
next,
we'll
go
to
assemblywoman
thomas.
H
C
Commissioner
civilboom,
I
really
do
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
that
you
have
taken
in
presenting
ab147.
I
just
have
a
question
for
clarity.
Is
this
position
county
council?
Will
this
be
an
elected
position
or
an
appointed
position.
D
Thank
you
for
that
question,
rochelle
wynn,
for
the
record.
Thank
you
assemblywoman
thomas.
It
would
be
an
appointed
position
like
I
imagine
it.
This
isn't
mandatory.
This
is
no
mandate.
This
is
just
enabling
language
to
allow
counties
that
would
like
to
create
this.
You
know
division
to
do
so.
D
I
don't
see
it
as
being
an
added
cost,
because
these
already
exist
and
so
and
a
lot
of
times
they
already
exist
within
the
county
building
in
the
county
structure,
they're
already
county
employees,
they
are
already
existing
in
that
you
know
space
already.
So
I
imagine
it
would
be
an
appointed
process,
much
like
other
appointed
processes
where
you
have
to
get
the
full.
You
know
majority
vote
from
the
full
county
commission.
M
If
I
could
just
follow
up
on
that,
that's
the
exact
problem
with
reno,
because
reno
has
an
elected
city
attorney
and
so
that
city
attorney
goes
out
to
the
voters
on
his
own.
M
But
then
he
comes
and
gives
advice
as
the
attorney
for
the
city
council
who
are
elected
on
their
own
and
that's
where
the
conflict
is
you
you
can't,
in
my
opinion,
you
shouldn't
have
the
county
council
or
the
city
attorney
should
be
picked
by
the
people
who
are
his
or
her
clients,
which
are
the
elected
officials,
and
so,
if
they're
elected,
that
creates
an
inherent
conflict
right.
There.
C
Torres
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
I
do
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
this
legislation
and
you
know
I
want
to
just
begin
by
saying
that
you
know
any
day
we
can
see
the
original
tick
tock
and
a
presentation
from
assembly
woman
win
is
a
double
win
for
me.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
a
big
question.
I
just
wondering
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
if
whether
or
not
this
was
a
unique
model,
my
understanding
is
that
this
model
has
been
implemented
in
other
states.
C
D
That
that's
correct
again,
we
are
not
reinventing
the
wheel
here.
Most
larger,
like
a
lot
of
states,
have
this.
In
fact,
most
of
our
neighboring
states
have
this.
I
believe
I'm
trying
to
get
my
notes
here,
so
I
can
give
you
an
example
of
the
states
that
were
doing
this.
Of
course,
I
can't
find
it,
but
but
I
do
have
that
information.
This
is
not
a
unique
situation
to
nevada.
D
This
is
not
something
that
we
don't
do
in
other
states
and
it's
something
that
would
be
fairly
easy
to
implement
like
I
said
it
is
an
efficient
way
to
ensure
that
all
electeds
and
all
like
divisions
and
agencies
have
a
conflict
free
like
and
their
due
process.
Rights
are
protected
as
well.
So
I
can
get
the
committee
some
of
that
additional
information
about
how
this
is
done
in
other
states.
I
just
don't
have
it
offhand.
C
Yeah-
and
I
I
think
from
the
presentation,
because
I
did
review
the
presentation
from
av539
for
the
2019
legislative
session-
I
I
know
that
I
think
it
was
colorado,
washington,
california
and
oregon.
So
definitely
there's
other
western
states
that
have
served
as
a
good
model
of
this
and
shown
its
efficacy.
M
And
I
apologize
if
I
can
follow
seven
women,
but
the
truth
is.
This
is
a
great
legal
question
that
lots
of
law
review
articles
have
been
written
about
it
and
it's
a
trend
over
the
country
to
go
ahead
and
make
these
independent,
because
I
said,
there's
just
an
inherent
conflict
which
is
not
illegal,
but
it's
unethical.
F
F
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
good
to
see
you
assembly
woman.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
as
well,
commissioner
question
just
on
the
fiscal
side
of
this.
I
know
that
there's
there's
no
fiscal
note
on
this.
F
Presumably
that
is
because
the
assumption
would
be
that
as
this
new
position
would
be,
or
these
new
functions
will
be
brought
into
this
new
position
as
as
that
role
or
those
roles
grow,
they
would
be
simultaneously
removed
from
the
district
attorney's
office,
and
so
that's
why
it's
assumed
that
this
would
be
cost
neutral.
It
seems
to
me
that
there
would
at
least
be
some
new
costs
entailed,
since
we
are
creating
this
this
new
position
and
we're
not
eliminating
the
da's
position.
F
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
speak
to
that
and
kind
of
clarify
why
this
is
assumed
to
be
cost
neutral.
D
Just
my
conversations
with
mako
as
well
as
my
you
know,
current
my
current
representatives,
obviously
in
the
clark
county,
commission
and
my
knowledge
of
how
it
is
these
already
exist,
they're
already
paid
for
by
the
county.
They
already
exist
in
county
buildings.
You
know
you're
a
county
employee
if
you
are
a
district
attorney
or
you
are
a
staff
or
investigator
or
any
one
of
these
like
staff,
people
that
are
in
these
agencies,
so
they
are
all
you
know
there.
D
So
I
can't
imagine
how
this
would
have
some
added
cost,
because
they
would
be
absorbed
into
what
they
are
already
doing
as
well,
and
I
imagine
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
changeover
for
a
lot
of
the
people's
positions.
They
would
just
be
going
about
their
business
and,
instead
of
being
called
a
district
attorney,
they
would
now
be
called
county
council.
D
You
know
their
job
responsibilities,
their
job
responsibilities
to
their
clients
would
not
change.
There
would
be
no
disruption
to
that.
You
know
so
I
I
I
don't
know
how
that
would
be
in
case.
I
I'm
sure.
If
there
were
added
costs,
we
would
see
additional
fiscal
notes
that
would
be
attached
to
this
and
I
haven't
seen
any
of
those
so
far.
D
And
just
that
just
to
point
out
again,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you,
assemblyman
matthews,
rochelle
wins
for
the
record.
It's
not
mandated
it's
it's
enabling
language.
It
is
something
that
counties
and
cities
and
can
choose
to
do
if
they
want
to.
This
gives
them
the
structure
and
the
ability
to
create
a
conflict-free
environment
for
both
elected
officials.
F
M
I
just
answered
it.
Let
me
just
say
going
back
to
history:
it's
pretty
amazing
to
see
you
on
this
side
of
there
and
I'm
on
this
the
other
side,
so
roles
do
flip
over
lifetime.
M
But
going
back
to
the
question
of
the
fiscal
note,
the
truth
is
not
that
we
want
to
do
this,
but
you
know
right
now:
we
can't
hire
or
fire
anyone.
That's
our
district
attorney's
job.
So
this
would
give
us
the
ability
to
reduce
salaries,
raise
salaries,
move
people
around
hire
people
fire
people
which
we
don't
have
currently.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
follow
up
question.
If
I
may,
please
follow
up,
thank
you
and
thank
you
both
for
your
for
your
answers
on
that
topic
of
conflict,
and
I
certainly
understand
the
arguments
you're
making
for
that
effect.
On
the
other
hand,
just
to
kind
of
come
out
from
the
other
perspective.
F
Arguably
there
is
value
in
in
these
functions
being
left
district
attorney
in
the
sense
that
what
we
have
as
a
result
of
that
is
some
independent
oversight.
You
know,
or
you
have
a
separately
elected
individual
who
was
in
that
function
and
and
arguably
that
helps
to
kind
of
strengthen
what
we
all
sort
of
recognize
as
the
system
of
checks
and
balances,
rather
than
bring
it
all
into.
F
You
know
one
governmental
body,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if,
if
you
know
a
solution,
might
be
that,
in
the
event
of
a
clear
identified
conflict
of
interest
for
district
attorney
on
a
particular
issue-
and
maybe
you
know,
independent
council
would
be
brought
in,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
any
concern
about
losing
the
potential
oversight
that
may
result
from
having
this.
You
know
this
function
being
performed
by
an
independent
body.
Thank
you.
D
Rose
shall
win
for
the
record.
I
I
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
you
have
your
checks
and
balances
system
there.
D
If
you
were
going
to
go
out
and
hire
an
attorney,
you
would
probably-
and
we
had
a
case
against
each
other-
you
would
not
want
to
have
my
attorney
represent
both
you
and
me
in
that,
like
conflict
between
us,
and
so
I
I
think
we
do
need
to
remove
that
and
that
that's
what
this
bill
would
do,
or
it
will
allow
enabling
languages
for
the
counties
and
the
district
attorneys
to
decide
whether
or
not
their
relationship
was
working
or
not.
D
This
just
gives
them
the
option
to
be
able
to
do
so
when
that
conflict
does
arise.
Like
I
have
said
before,
I
am
definitely
open
to
coming
up
with
other
potential
solutions
that
correct
this
conflict
and
still
maintain
the
integrity
of
you
know
the
representation
that
people
are
receiving
from
the
district
attorney's
office
or,
conversely,
a
county
council
office.
M
M
That
is
in
your
best
interest
answer
your
questions,
but
if
the
governor
had
hired
them
and
could
fire
them
that
might
question
you
might
question,
you
know
that
advice.
A
And
thank
you
assemblyman
matthews
members,
any
additional
questions
at
this
time.
I
don't
think
I
have
any.
However,
please
feel
free
to
unmute
yourself
and
state
your
name
for
the
record.
If
you
have
an
additional
question-
and
I
accidentally
skipped.
A
You
I
don't
see
any
members
feel
free
to
ask
questions
at
the
conclusion
of
opposition
support
and
neutral,
as
I
am
confident
that
maybe
more
questions
will
come
from
that
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
invite
those
wishing
to
speak
in
support
of
assembly
bill
147
a
broadcast.
If
we
could
please
go
to
the
telephone
lines
and
I'd
like
to
remind
those
of
you
who
will
be
testifying
and
support
opposition
neutral
that
you
limit
your
remarks
in
two
minutes.
J
N
N
We
would
like
to
see
section
five
to
include
subsection
to
include
subsections
k
and
l
k,
starting
with
if
the
county
council
receives
information
that
pertains
to
any
public
official,
having
committed
an
act
of
possibly
wrongdoing
that
has
been
brought
to
the
commissioners
by
way
of
another
public,
official
or
private
citizen.
The
county
council
must
inform
the
county
commissioners
of
their
responsibilities
and
his
or
her
legal
duties.
N
L
if
the
county,
commissioners
and
or
the
county
council
receive
information
by
way
of
another
public,
official
and
or
private
citizen
of
a
possible
wrongdoing
committed
by
any
public
official.
The
county
council
must
inform
the
county
commissioners
during
the
public
meeting
that
the
county
council
will
be
asking
the
nevada
attorney,
general
and
or
the
united
states
department
of
justice
to
conduct
an
independent
investigation.
N
You
might
say
that
there
you
could
file
ethics
complaints
and
with
the
state
bar
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
there
are
times
that
have
that
they
have
come
back
and
said
they
lack
jurisdiction,
whether
it's
the
ethics
state
bar
or
the
courts,
and
I
based
this
in
part.
I
have
provided
you
with
some
documentation
and
I
base
what
I'm
asking
this
in
part
based
on
that
and
I
that
I've
submitted
I'd
like
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
the
paragraphs
31
through
58
88
through
90
103.
N
96
through
104,
through
108
paragraph
117
pages,
65-66,
69,
120,
125
and
126..
I
think
we
need
more
transparency
in
government
and
not
less
of
it,
and
by
adding
these
two
I
believe
we
would
have
more
transparency.
Thank
you
and
have
a
great
day.
A
And
thank
you
for
testifying.
If
we
could
please
go
to
the
next
caller
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill
147.
J
J
N
Good
morning,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee
for
the
record
dagny
stapleton
d-a-g-n-y-s-t-a-p-l-e-t-o-n.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
association
of
counties
or
neco.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
provide
testimony
in
support
of
av-147
on
behalf
of
nevada's
counties.
Ab147,
as
you
heard,
would
enable
county
commissioners
to
have
a
choice
in
the
type
of
legal
support
that
they
get
for
the
critical
decisions
they
make.
Many
of
our
members
express
their
sincere
satisfaction
in
the
health
support
and
legal
expertise
they
receive
from
their
respective
district
attorneys.
N
However,
they
also
agree
that
there
may
be
instances
where
they
would
need
the
ability
to
hire
an
independent
staff
attorney
attorney
to
support
them
on
civil
matters.
As
the
committee
is
aware,
da's
are
separate
county
elected
officials
with
a
wide
range
of
responsibilities,
including
and
importantly
as
criminal
prosecutors.
In
addition
to
those
duties,
da's
also
provide
legal
advice
to
each
of
their
county
commissions
on
everything,
from
complying
with
the
open
meeting
law,
legal
review
of
the
many
contracts
that
the
counties
enter
into
and
representing
the
county
and
court
proceedings
as
assembly
member
nguyen
outlined.
N
It
is
possible
that
there
could
be
conflicts
between
the
interests
of
an
elected
d.a
and
the
needs
of
the
county
commission.
We
have
heard
concerns
from
our
members
about
some
of
those
examples
that
she
cited.
We've
also
heard
from
some
of
our
smaller
counties
that,
while
their
elected
d.a
may
have
expertise
in
criminal
law,
it
is
possible
that
they
may
have
no
expertise
or
interest
in
the
other
areas
of
law,
where
the
county
commission
may
need
legal
support.
It's
because
of
that.
N
If,
because
of
that,
a
district
attorney
was
not
willing
to
provide
the
council
that
a
commission
needed
or
if
the
county
commission
felt
that
they
needed
their
own
or
different
legal
counsel,
this
bill
would
provide
them
that
option.
I
would
also
like
to
share
that
in
some
of
our
very
small
counties.
There
are
no
county
managers
and
there
may
be
limited
staff
in
those
counties.
N
And
I
would
add
that
our
members
did
discuss
this
bill
in
a
recent
public
nato
board
meeting
and
voted
in
consensus
to
support
it
and
then.
Finally,
regarding
the
fiscal
impact,
I
would
echo
what
assembly
member
win
and
commissioner
segerblom
said
the
bill
is
enabling
the
county
could
make
the
choice
based
on
the
fiscal
impact.
To
have
this,
and
already
all
and
already
some
counties
are
paying
for
similar
services
in-house.
N
So
thank
you
so
much,
mr
chair,
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
testimony
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
support
of
the
bill.
Thank
you.
A
J
E
E
I
do
believe,
as
the
previous
caller
ms
brown
stated,
it
should
have
an
amendment
that,
if
a
private
citizen
or
public
official,
if
the
council
becomes
aware
of
either
illegal
or
unethical
acts
of
a
public
official
by
way
of
a
private
citizen
or
another
public
official,
I
think
the
bill
needs
an
amendment
that
mandates
said
council
to
put
in
a
request
for
an
investigation
by
the
attorney
general's
office
and
or
the
department
of
justice.
A
If
I
could
have
you
hold
for
a
second,
I
just
want
to
clarify
you're
speaking
in
support
of
the
bill
as
it
is,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
record
is
properly
reflecting
your
where
you
stand
on
this
bill.
If
the
bill
were
to
move
as
it
is
now,
are
you
in
support
of
it.
E
Yes,
I'm
just
making
a
suggestion,
and
the
reason
I
make
this
suggestion
is
on
7
16
2019.
I
attended
a
police
accountability
event
on
july
17
2019.
I
personally
help
miss
brown
file,
a
complaint
at
reno
police
against
reno
city
manager,
kyle
hall.
Miss
brown
brought
this
information
before
a
joint
meeting
at
the
county
commissioners
on
august
6
2019
and
provided
them
a
copy
of
the
police
complaint.
E
Carl
hall
had
publicly
publicly
admitted
on
july,
16
2019
that
he
sat
on
a
perjury
complaint
against
now
we
know
judge
shelley,
t
o'neal
until
the
statue
of
limitations
ran
out
july
will
be
two
years
since
his
complaint
was
filed
and
current
legal
counsel
for
the
warsaw
county
commissioners
have
been
made
aware
of
a
multitude
of
illegal
acts.
County
commissioners,
council
should
be
mandated
to
act
with
information
regarding
illegal
activities
is
brought
before
the
board.
Thank
you.
J
A
O
Good
morning,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
this
opportunity.
I
would
first
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
nguyen,
and
commissioner
segerbloom.
I
have
had
some
opportunity
to
discuss
with
both
of
them
the
reason
I'm
coming
in
in
opposition,
specifically
to
section
5,
subsection
2.
I
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
to
some
sort
of
resolution
in
this
matter,
but
as
of
today,
I
have
not
given
them
my
proposed
amendments,
but
I
will
continue
to
work
with
them.
O
I
understand:
there's
a
perception
problem
with
conflict
between
my
division
and
the
criminal
division
and
by
my
division.
I'm
talking
about
the
juvenile
division
for
the
clark
county,
da's
office.
So
in
clark
county
there
is
a
deputy
district
attorney
that
is
assigned
to
the
civil
division
to
represent
dfs
in
lawsuits
contracts,
mousse
personnel
matters
for
employees.
O
That
dda
does
not
work
under
my
leadership
in
my
division,
I
have
21
deputy
da's
that
prosecute
petitions
of
abuse
and
neglect
that
result
from
investigations
of
child
protective
services,
and
that
is
what
section
5,
sub
2,
sub,
1
or
sub.
I
would
partake,
which
is
that
reference
to
nrs
432b
in
the
juvenile
division.
I
also
have
9
deputy
da's
that
prosecute
petitions
involving
acts
of
juvenile
delinquency
or
what
some
would
call
crimes
against
crimes
children
commit.
O
I
took
my
position
as
chief
of
the
juvenile
division
in
2012
under
the
appointment
of
d.a
wolfson
in
2014,
and
at
that
time
I
reported
to
the
assistant
district
attorney
for
the
criminal
division,
but
in
2014,
then
county
manager,
burnett
and
the
county.
Commissioner
saw
fit
to
create
my
own
position
so
that
I
directly
reported
to
the
d.a
and
get
me
out
from
underneath
that
criminal
division,
which
makes
sense
because
you
really
need
a
leader
of
a
juvenile
team
that
understands
the
nuances
of
children
and
families,
not
criminal
cases.
O
I've
never
been
a
criminal
prosecutor,
so
I
I
just
like
to
say
that
for
the
record
as
well,
I've
always
handled
cases
involving
children
and
families.
O
So
now
I
am
my
own
assistant
department,
head
reporting
directly
to
the
elected,
and
that
did
definitely
recognize
that
need
for
independent
leadership
for
these
specialized
cases.
I'm
one
of
the
original
founders
for
the
harbor.
I
work
closely
with
the
school
district
for
kids
in
foster
care
and
juvenile
delinquency
systems.
All
are
kids
of
our
school
district.
I've
dedicated
myself
to
ending
the
school
to
prison
pipeline
through
diversionary
practices
and
school
justice
partnerships.
O
I
have
a
team
of
amazing
deputy
da's
that
I
have
led
to
share
the
same
values
that
I
share
of
looking
at
children
and
families
in
a
unique
way.
This
perceived
conflict
that
is
going
on.
I
want
everybody
to
be
clear:
it's
not
attorneys
from
my
division
that
go
to
the
criminal
cases
and
prosecute
the
same
cases.
They
are
two
separate
deputy
da's.
O
O
We
also
offer
civil
protections
to
families
in
family
court
than
anything.
They
say
in
our
cases
and
nrs432b
will
not
be
used
against
them
in
the
criminal
case.
We
do
have
some
things
in
place
already.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
sponsors
of
this
bill
to
see
how
I
could
improve
on
that
and
address
any
of
these
negative
perceptions
that
we
have
of
the
conflict.
O
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
again,
ms
duffy,
for
calling
in
if
we
could
have
you
answer
at
least
one
question
that
I
know
that
we
have
for
madame
vice
chair.
Yes,.
C
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
so
much
miss
duffy.
It's
so
excellent
to
see
you.
C
I
know
that
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
see
you
too
frequently
in
the
government
affairs
committee,
but
I
I
did
have
the
pleasure
of
working
with
you
in
the
interim
juvenile
justice
committee
and
on
the
judiciary
committee
last
session,
and
I
guess
my
question
is
if
you
could
just
kind
of
give
us
an
example
of
what
that
reunification
looks
like,
and
you
mentioned
that
there
is
a
curtain
between
the
role
of
the
district
attorneys
in
the
department
of
family
services
and
their
role
in
the
prosecution
against
the
child,
abuse
cases
and
neglect
cases.
C
O
Case
my
I'm
making
sure
I'm
unmuted
so
richard
duffy
for
the
record
yeah.
So
I
I
think
understanding
your
question
vice
chair
torres
is
my
attorneys,
so
432b
cases
and
I'm
using
that
reference,
because
that's
what's
in
ab147,
so
those
would
be
the
cases
brought
forth
based
upon
investigations
of
a
child
protective
service
agency,
not
not
investigations
of
a
police
agency,
so
those
cases
have
very
fast
timelines.
We
move
very
quickly.
Our
goal
is
reunification
and
it
that
that
goal
remains
no
matter
the
abuse
or
neglect.
O
So
we
have
a
cases
with
child
homicides.
My
attorneys
in
the
juvenile
division
handle
child
sexual
abuse
cases,
child
homicide
cases
with
surviving
siblings.
So
we
handle
very
parallel
cases
to
the
criminal
division,
but
our
cases
have
expedited
timelines,
so
criminal
cases
could
take
take
a
year,
you
know
or
more
to
prosecute,
especially
on
serious
cases
such
as
child
homicides.
O
So
we
move
very
quickly,
but
we
also
always
start
with
the
with
a
step
over
unification,
so
we
first
of
all
start
with
getting
the
family
to
admit,
or
at
least
admit
that
we
could
prove
the
case.
O
But
in
order
to
do
that,
we
offer
them
protection,
saying
we're
not
going
to
use
our
case
against
you
in
the
criminal
case
any
and
that's
that's
just
any
civil
case.
Anything
you
say
in
a
civil
case
can
be
used,
so
they
start
talking
about.
You
know
what
caused
the
abuse.
You
know
their
frustrations,
the
parents
own
trauma.
O
Now
what
goes
on
in
the
criminal
cases,
while
there
is
this
perception
that
we
are
very
involved
with
those
cases
honestly,
we
we
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
most
of
the
time,
because
there
isn't
really
a
very
good
flow
of
communication,
but
when
we
get
to
a
part
where
there
could
be
an
internal
conflict
between
a
criminal
deputy
d.a
and
my
deputy
d.a
for
the
432b
case,
we
have
an
internal
resolution
process
which
I
go
then
to
the
equivalent
of
me,
which
would
be
the
assistant
da
on
the
criminal
side.
O
We
then
take
it
up
to
d.a
wolfson
and
then,
if,
if
d.a
wolfson
cannot
resolve
that
conflict,
then
we
have
an
agreement
that
we
can
go
to
an
assistant
county
manager.
Now
I
think
we
could
we
could
better
formalize
that
process.
If
that
makes
you
know,
everybody
feel
stronger.
I
think
I
think
it's
easy
easily
done
to
form
formalize
that
process,
but
we
we're
just
two
different
tracks
of
cases,
although
the
evidence
is
still
the
same.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
C
O
Well,
it
would
bridget
duffy
again
for
the
record
a
vice
chair,
taurus
it
would,
it
would
take
us
out
from
under
the
same
department
head.
That's
absolutely
for
sure.
I
don't
know
that
it
would
end
the
what
still
goes
on.
I
mean
a
criminal
attorney
can
still
go
and
get
a
no
contact
order,
while
we're
working
on
reunification
that
the
conflict
is.
We
all
report
to
the
same
department
head.
However,
we
do
have
a
conflict
resolution
process.
That's
in
place.
O
A
Members
any
additional
questions
for
ms
duffy.
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity,
as
we
do
have
her
via
a
video
for
you
to
ask
questions.
Should
you
have
any
clarification
that
you'd
like
on
the
record,
seeing
none
broadcast?
If
we
could
please
go
to
the
phone
lines
and
continue
with
the
opposition
on
assembly
bill
147.
J
J
H
H
H
H
It's
important
for
this
committee
to
know
that
the
attorney
is
responsible
for
handling
potential
conflicts
and
identifying
their
ability
to
proceed
on
cases,
and
so
each
of
the
attorneys
assigned
to
the
juvenile
division.
Child
welfare
are
very
versed
in
whether
or
not
to
proceed
on
cases.
What
information
to
provide,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
that
the
group
of
attorneys
stay
under
the
district.
Attorney's
guidance.
H
J
L
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
david
wathbial,
I'm
the
washoe
county
assistant,
district
attorney
for
the
civil
division
representing
washoe
county
district
attorney
chris
hicks
and
the
washoe
county
district
attorney's
office.
We
oppose
this
bill
because
it
threatened
the
independence
of
judgment.
L
The
client
might
disagree,
they
may
not
like
the
opinion,
but
the
da
providing
the
advice
must
be
free
to
give
that
advice
without
the
fear
of
losing
their
job,
simply
because
the
client
does
not
like
it,
and
it
should
be
noted
that
in
circumstances
where
the
law
is
not
black
and
white
or
where
the
client
just
disagrees
with
the
attorney,
the
client
is
always
free
to
disregard
the
advice.
That's
been
given
to
them.
The
advice
guides
decisions,
but
the
decisions
are
made
by
the
client,
not
the
attorney.
L
This
law
will
increase
the
likelihood
that
attorneys
will
be
working
with
the
knowledge
they
could
be
fired,
simply
for
providing
advice.
The
manager
does
not
want
to
hear
or
that
the
board
doesn't
want
to
hear,
and
that
increases
the
possibility
that
the
attorney
will
provide
advice
that
the
client
wants
to
hear,
even
if
it
is
not
the
best
advice.
L
While
we
don't
believe
this
is
an
immediate
concern
in
washoe
county.
This
bill
also
makes
it
possible
for
a
board
or
manager
to
seek
out
an
attorney
who
is
more
amenable
to
providing
them
cover
for
the
actions
they
take
rather
than
providing
objective.
Legal
advice:
it
also
increases
the
risk
of
hiring
an
attorney
on
the
basis
of
political
favoritism.
L
The
job
could
get
awarded
to
an
attorney
or
a
firm
that
politically
supports
a
majority
of
the
board
of
commissioners,
or
maybe
someone
that
has
a
relationship
with
the
manager
rather
than
a
va,
who
was
elected
by
the
people
as
to
the
state
of
concerns
about
ethics.
As
a
general
rule,
there
is
no
conflict
with
the
d.a
representing
other
officials
or
the
board's
accounting
commissioners
and
the
fact
that
there
is
no
inherent
ethical
conflict
with
that
representation
can
be
found
in
the
fact
that
the
da's
been
doing
so
by
law
for
decades.
L
The
concerns
and
conflicts
created
by
having
a
board
of
commissioners
appoint
their
own
attorney
and
the
attorneys
for
their
fellow
elected
officials
are
certainly
greater
than
any
that
are
presented
under
the
current
law
as
to
conflicts.
Generally
speaking,
there
is
no
conflict
until
the
interests
of
the
attorney
and
the
interests
of
the
client
clash
or
the
interest
of
two
clients
clash,
and
when
that
happens,
the
ethics
rules
require
the
attorney
to
notify
the
client
and
be
given
the
opportunity
to
hire
another
attorney.
L
This
bill
also
disenfranchises
voters
from
electing
the
attorney
that
they
want
to
provide
advice
to
all
of
the
county's
elected
officials
and
departments.
The
civil
division
of
the
da's
office
provides
advice
and
guidance
to
more
than
60
clients
made
up
of
elected
officials,
boards
commissions,
county
departments,
all
in
addition
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners
and
the
office
of
the
county
manager.
L
This
bill
will
increase
the
possibility
that
a
board
could
choose
an
attorney
in
an
effort
to
exert
undue
influence
over
other
government
officials,
including
other
elected
officials
such
as
the
assessor,
the
treasurer,
the
sheriff
and
others.
The
new
law
will
now
allow
a
manager
and
or
a
board
of
commissioners
to
choose
the
attorney
or
law
firm.
That
provides
the
advice
to
their
fellow
electives,
presents
the
same
conflicts
which
are
the
claim
basis
for
this
bill.
L
This
increases
the
risk
that
the
attorney
chosen
by
the
board
will
once
again
be
looking
over
their
shoulder
out
of
concern
that
the
board
of
the
manager
not
only
doesn't
love
the
advice
that
they
receive,
but
they
don't
like
the
advice
that
the
attorney
is
giving
to
other
elected
officials.
The
better
policy
is
to
allow
the
taxpayers
to
decide
who
their
attorney
will
be,
who
the
attorney
for
the
county,
not
just
the
board,
will
be.
L
We
oppose
this
bill
because
it
disenfranchises
those
voters
and
because
it
increases
the
risk
that
elected
officials
will
no
longer
receive
independent
legal
advice.
The
advice
affected
by
the
risk
that
the
attorney's
clients,
the
client,
that
hired
the
attorney
to
represent
other
elected
officials
will
not
like
that
advice
and
will
potentially
terminate
that
attorney.
This
bill
will
work
to
the
detriment
of
those
officials
and
to
the
citizens,
who
formerly
elected
their
attorney.
L
Why
the
bill
does
not
require
the
creation
of
the
office
of
county
council.
The
mere
threat
that
a
board
can
eliminate
the
civil
division
of
the
da's
office
will
increase
the
risk
of
advice
infected
with
the
knowledge
the
attorney
could
be
discharged.
All
the
board
will
have
to
do
is
pass
an
ordinance.
A
A
L
I'm
sorry
I
was
getting
the
message
to
unmute
when
I
was
when
I
heard
that
my
name
is
david
wass.
The
all
last
name
is
w-a-t-t-s
hyphen
v,
as
in
victor
I-a-l,.
A
Perfect,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
calling
in
this
morning.
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
go
members.
We
don't
have
any
questions
correct.
I
don't
see
any
on
chat,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
you
do
have
a
question
feel
free
to
meet
yourself
and
state
your
name
for
the
record,
seeing
none
we'll
go
to
the
next
caller
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
of
assembly
bill
147.
J
H
H
H
I
understand
that
in
larger
counties,
potentially
even
in
washoe,
but
primarily
in
clark
county,
they
have
a
massive
district
attorney's
office
and
you
have
porta
county
commissioners
who
are
very
active
in
doing
a
variety
of
things.
However,
that
check
and
balance
needs
to,
I
believe,
remain
with
the
district
attorney's
office,
no
matter
the
size
of
your
county.
H
This
this
particular
bill,
I
believe,
will
create
a
bureaucratic
position
and
will
force
that
position
to
have
have
to
wait
the
imp,
the
propriety
of
the
information
that
they
bring
forward
the
opinion,
the
legal
opinions
that
they
give
their
very
employers,
their
clients
against
their
employment,
and
if
there
is
an
unfavorable
position
that
is
given
now
all
of
a
sudden
there,
there
creates
an
inherent
influence,
slash
conflict
where
their
employment
could
be
seized
and
terminated.
H
I
noticed
that
there
is
no
fiscal
note.
However,
I'd
like
to
share
that,
even
though
it
proposed
that
you're
going
to
take
those
civil
attorneys
from
the
da's
office
and
implement
them
into
this
new
department
created
under
the
commission
and
or
county
management.
What
I
will
share
with
you
is
is
that
the
da's
office
still
would
have
a
requirement
to
have
civil
attorneys,
because
they
represent
a
variety
of
other
interests
for
the
county,
the
county
as
a
whole.
It's
not
just
about
the
interest
of
the
border
county
commission.
H
Although
we
have
the
authority
and
the
powers
too
over
the
whole
county,
they
would
still
have
to
have
those
individuals
there.
I
believe
a
fiscal
note.
Just
in
a
ballpark
of
half
a
million
dollars
here
in
nye
county,
it
would
have
a
detrimental
effect.
We
don't
have
a
strong,
ending
fund
balance.
I
know
everyone's
been
affected
by
covid,
but
just
in
a
typical
year
we
just
don't
have
the
funds,
and
I
think
that
would
have
a
massive
financial
impact
to
to
us
just
here
locally.
H
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
again
that
is
speaking
from
my
district
here
in
district
four
in
nike
county
and
it's
just
a
perspective.
I'd
like
to
share
in
opposition.
I
I
can
appreciate
you
know
larger
counties
like
clark,
meeting
different
requirements
and
if
you
do
choose
to
proceed,
I
would
ask
that
you
respect
what
works
for
the
rural
counties
and
and
and
make
those
determinations.
A
J
K
Thank
you,
chair
flores
and
members
of
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee.
My
name
is
jon
jones,
j-o-h-n,
j,
o
n
e
s-
and
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
clark
county
clark,
county
district
attorney's
office
in
opposition
to
ab147.
K
This
advice,
free
from
threat
of
reprisal,
ensures
that
the
representation
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
county
and
its
residents.
The
reasoning
is
simple
officials.
Better
informed
of
the
consequences
of
their
proposed
actions
make
better
informed
decisions,
even
though
it's
just
enabling
legislation
ab-147
could
be
used
as
a
hammer
against
da's
providing
unvarnished
advice.
If
the
county
doesn't
like
the
advice
they
are
given,
they
can
threaten
to
create
the
office
of
county
council,
thus
causing
a
crack
in
the
independence
that
we
feel
provides
the
best
most
unbiased
opinion.
K
The
clark
county
da's
office
specifically
is
more
than
willing
to
have
conversations
with
our
commissioners
and
others
to
discuss
any
problems
they
feel
that
are
arising
with
the
current
model.
We
are
committed
to
making
this
representation
model
work
and
are
asking
for
the
opportunity
to
work
through
these
problems.
Prior
to
the
passing
of
this
legislation,
we
made
that
commitment
last
session
during
ab539,
and
we
make
that
a
commitment
again
today,
so
with
that
and
chairman
flores
members
of
the
government
affairs
committee.
K
A
A
J
P
J-E-N-N-I-F-E-R-N-O-B-L-E-
and
I'm
testifying
here
today
regarding
our
I'm
sorry
representing
the
nevada
district
attorneys
association,
which
consists
of
the
17
elected
district
attorneys
throughout
nevada,
the
nevada,
the
nevada
district,
attorney's
association
opposes
ab147
and
I'll.
Try
not
to
go
too
much
over
ground.
That's
already
been
covered,
but
if
a
private
client
makes
a
poor
decision
regarding
their
litigation
options
when
they're,
given
those
options,
it's
only
the
client
that
suffers,
but
if
a
public
entity
makes
ill-advised
decisions,
the
people
of
nevada
bear
the
brunt.
P
P
Sometimes
the
agencies
they
represent,
have
contrary
interests,
but
deputy
attorney
general
dags
are
trained
to
erect
and
honor
ethical
screens
and
follow
the
nevada
rules
of
professional
responsibility
to
navigate
those
types
of
situations
when
they
do
come
up
and
county
attorneys
are
no
different.
P
State
attorneys
follow
the
rules
and
so
do
we.
District
attorneys
have
separate
divisions
and
teams
within
those
divisions.
No
deputy
district
attorney
represents
two
different
clients
on
the
same
matter
when
there
is
an
actual
or
apparent
conflict,
we
follow
the
rules
of
professional
responsibility,
client
confidentiality
and
ethical
screens.
P
The
ndaa
members
are
always
willing
to
meet
with
any
agencies
whose
concerns
might
underlie
this
piece
of
legislation
and
we're,
of
course,
committed
to
working
with
assemblywoman
win
and
stakeholders
to
find
common
ground,
and,
of
course,
I
am
willing
to
meet
with
any
one
of
you
individually
to
discuss
your
concerns.
Thank
you.
A
And
thank
you
members.
Any
questions.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
apologize.
I
couldn't
get
into
the
chat
quick
enough
to
set
my
question.
Thank
you,
ms
noble,
for
for
your
statement
today.
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
who's
required
to
complete
the
conflict
resolution
process,
because
my
understanding
would
be
that
the
district
attorney
would
be
responsible
for
doing
that,
and
I
feel
like
that
in
and
of
itself
is
a
form
of
conflict.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
P
I
apologize
assemblywoman,
there
was
instructions
from
from
the
the
system
at
the
time
that
you're
asked
asking
your
questions,
so
I
think
I
only
got
about
a
third
of
it.
I
believe
it
regards
conflicts
of
interest
and
how
those
are
handled.
Is
that
correct.
C
Yeah.
So
because
my
understanding
is
that
the
district
attorneys
would
be
responsible
for
initiating
that
conflict
resolution,
and
it
just
seems
that
that
might
be
a
conflict
in
and
of
itself
could
elaborate
on
that.
P
Thank
you
for
the
question
assemblywoman.
I
understand
your
point
of
view
and
that's
a
good
question,
but
you
have
to
understand
that
at
a
law
firm
or
any
kind
of
legal
shop,
whether
it's
public
or
private,
determining
conflict
is
inherent
in
legal
pro
in
in
the
legal
profession.
We
do
it
all
the
time
and
that's
what
we're
trained
to
do.
All
attorneys
are
under
a
duty
to
avoid
conflicts,
no
matter
where
they
work
and
to
notify
clients
of
conflicts
and
to
allow
the
client
to
get
another
attorney.
P
If
that's
what
the
client
wants
to
do,.
C
P
There
are
situations-
and
I
have
worked
in
the
private
sector
many
years
ago,
where
there
might
be
what
we
call
an
apparent
conflict,
but
not
an
actual
conflict
and
in
those
cases
there
are
specific
rules
in
the
nevada
rules
of
professional
responsibility
that
we
follow
to
erect.
What's
called
an
ethical
screen.
I've
also
done
that
in
my
division.
P
When
things
come
up,
I
am
in
the
appellate
division
that
does
criminal
matters,
but
that's
come
up
because
we've
had
defense
attorneys
that
later
became
prosecutors
and
that's
something
that
we
do
and
we
make
sure
that
the
attorney
attorneys
representing
each
respective
client,
don't
access
information
or
have
discussions
about
attorney-client
strategy
or
anything
the
client
might
have
disclosed
in
the
course
of
the
representation.
P
C
C
Thank
you
and
I
I
don't
mean
to
dominate
the
discussion.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
clarification.
I
have
enough
clarification
on
this
issue,
since
it's
such
a
complicated
piece
of
legislation,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
give
it
we
do
its
due
diligence
as
a
legislative
body,
and
so
it
you
had
mentioned
earlier
that
if
a
client
indicate
in
the
case
of
a
private
law
firm,
I
know
that
if
a
client
wanted
another
attorney,
they
would
go
out
and
they
would
get
them.
C
But
in
this
instance,
would
that
be
possible
when
we're
looking
at
cases
that
are
managed
by
this
division?
Would
that
be
possible
to
go
out
and
just
get
a
different
attorney.
A
C
Listening
to
that
answer,
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
this
correctly.
So
if
we
are
speaking
about
the
county
commission
and
let's
just
use
the
example
that
was
used
earlier
in
the
hearing,
you
have
a
child
that
is
with
the
child
welfare
area,
who?
How
would
that?
Who
would
the
county
commission
report
that
to
who
would
the
d.a
member
report
it
to
that
there's
a
need
for
a
different
attorney
and
that
attorney
would
have
to
be
outside
of
the
d.a
division?
P
C
Okay,
so
that
so
it
would
be
at
the
supervisor
level
that
that
would
happen,
but
what,
if
it
was
a
parent
that
felt
that
there
was
an
inherent
bias?
Who
would
they
report
that
to
would
that
again
be
the
supervisor
that
is
done
in
a
private
setting,
or
would
that
be
done
in
a
public
forum?
Since
again,
it
is
a
county?
Commissioner,
I'm
sorry
it
is
an
elected
official
who's
able
to
do
that.
C
P
So
the
client
can
certainly
notify
whomever
they
want,
including
the
district
attorney,
but
you
can
also
have
an
attorney-client
session
with
the
board,
which
is
not
public,
so
in
that
instance
the
client
could
be
notified,
they
can
discuss
and
disclose
the
conflict
and
the
board
could
decide
to
have
separate
representation.
I
Flores,
may
I
just
follow
up,
thank
you,
chair
for
for
the
ability
to
ask
this
question
so
just
to
follow
on
assemblywoman
anderson's
question
and
what
was
said.
Does
that
mean
that
the
department
of
family
services
in
the
situation
like
she
presented
they
can
go
out
and
get
their
own
attorney?
Are
they
not
allowed
to
do
that.
P
It
is
my
understanding
that
they
would
be
able
to
get
their
own
attorney
with
approval
within
their
department
and
but
in
washoe
county
we
don't
represent
the
department
of
family
services.
O
Yes,
chair
flores,
I
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
get
my
your
attention,
so
maybe
I'm
best
suited
to
to
answer
the
assemblywoman's
question.
O
So
just
a
point,
so
in
clark
county
we
have
by
mou
my
attorneys
represent
the
child
welfare
agency.
We
do
not
represent
individual
case
managers.
We
represent
the
policies
and
procedures
of
the
agency
so
and
and
the
conflict.
So
somebody
who
raised
the
issue
of
the
parent-
it
wouldn't
be
we're
talking
about
if
the.
O
That
same
case
may
be
criminally
prosecuted
by
a
whole,
separate
deputy
district
attorney
in
a
criminal
case,
and
so,
let's
just
say
it's
a
child
sexual
abuse
case
and
that
child
still
has
not
testified
in
the
criminal
case,
so
that
criminal
d.a
is
now
saying
they
want
a
no
contact
order
so
that
the
child
is
not
reunified
into
the
home,
because
now
their
testimony
may
be
influenced
right.
That's
that's
the
fear
from
from
the
criminal
perspective,
but
our
cases
again
move
much
faster
and
we
have
different
standards.
O
So
so
the
conflict
would
be
whether
or
not
the
agency,
because
both
da's
report
up
to
to
their
individual
adas
me
and
a
criminal
one
and
then
up
to
d.a
wolfson.
Sorry,
I
talked
with
my
hands
so
so
they
they
we
go
up
that
way
right.
So
so
the
conflict
would
be
because
d.a
wolfson
has
moved
toward
an
agency
representation
model.
O
So,
in
the
cases
of
child
welfare
law,
our
our
district
court
judges,
we
have
district
court.
Judges
will
reunify
that
family
and
have
this
criminal
case
proceed
as
whatever,
whatever
path
it's
going
down.
So
that's,
that's,
ultimately
the
conflict,
but
then
the
question
is:
can
dfs
then
get
their
own
attorney?
Yes
statutorily.
C
Thank
you,
nathan,
anderson,
assemblymember,
anderson,
oh
I'm!
So
sorry,
some
of
them
ever
caused
like
this
is
your
question.
Initially
oops,
sorry
and.
A
I'm
sorry
I
I
didn't
realize
that
it
was
a
woman
anderson
saying
follow
up.
Give
me
one
second
assemblywoman
somebody
tonight:
did
you
have
a
follow-up.
I
Oh
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
assemblywoman
anderson.
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
clear
and
get
on
the
record
so
so
that
does
mean
that,
in
a
situation
where
there
is
a
conflict
with
the
d.a
in
a
in
a
child
welfare
situation
that
you're
saying
that
dfs
itself
can
go
out
and
get
another
law
firm
to
represent
them.
If
there
is
a
if
there
is
a
conflict.
O
Bridget
duffy
for
the
record
assemblyman
woman.
The
statute
already
allows
the
dfs
to
go
to
the
attorney
general's
office.
If
there
is
an
issue
with
the
district
attorney's
office
prosecuting
the
case
in
nrs
430
tv.
O
No
okay,
however,
on
the
d.a
civil
side
right,
if,
if
there's
a
an
issue
with
prosecuting
a
lawsuit,
so
we
you're
right
child
protective
services
gets
sued
when
children
have
unfortunate
events
in
foster
care
or
d.a
civil
often
gets
outside
counsel
to
handle
those
cases
as
well.
So
there
are
mechanisms
for
the
civil
division
to
get
outside
counsel
for
more
complex
cases
already,
which
I
assume
they
could.
They
could
do
add
something
in
there
if
there
was
a
specific
conflict
on
a
case.
I
C
Thank
you
so
much,
and
and
thank
you,
miss
duffy
for
being
so
understanding
about
all
these
questions
and
everything.
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying
exactly.
C
I'll
just
be
very
candid,
the
the
issue
that
I'm
having
is
the
da's
office
is
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
It
might
be
very
large,
but
it
is
one
office
and
yes,
you
are
moving
up
here,
because
I
also
speak
with
my
hands.
I,
yes,
you
are
moving
up
to
your
supervisors,
but
that
impression
which
was
given
you
know,
which
was
something
that
everybody
tries
to
to
not
allow
to
happen.
According
to
the
the
last
speaker,
that
impression
is
present,
where
there's
a
possibility
of
information
being
shared.
C
So
how
often
from
your
recollection
and
I've
realized,
you
might
not
have
that
recollection
and
that
could
be
something
to
that
needs
to
have
some
some
more
research.
How
often
is
that
nrs
statute
utilized
where
discussions
have
happened,
where
it's
better
to
go
outside
of
the
da's
office
for
situations
such
as
this
that
you
were
just
describing.
O
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Assemblywoman
anderson,
bridget
duffy
again
for
the
record
I
so
I
have
been
so.
I
came
over
from
the
attorney
general's
office
in
2004
prior
to
that.
I
handled
foster
care
cases
from
2000
to
2004
over
there,
so
I've
been
around
in
the
in
the
county
since
2004..
O
O
C
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
and
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
whole
bunch
and
I
might
reach
out
to
you
individually
to
to
have
a
another
conversation
as
well,
but
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you,
I'm
an
educator
and
I
can
just
imagine
what
some
of
these
child
use
cases
are
like,
and
it
takes
somebody
with
a
great
deal
of
strength
to
handle,
reading
the
information
and
then
also
protecting
our
kids.
So
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
that
realm.
C
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
but
I
I
still
have
some
some
other
questions
that
I
might
actually
reach
to
reach
out
to
you
individually
about.
Thank
you.
A
Members,
if
you
have
any
questions,
feel
free
to
mute
yourself
and
state
your
name
for
the
record.
I
don't
see
any
on
chat
again.
Thank
you
for
the
conversation
mustafi.
Thank
you
for
coming
back
into
the
conversation
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
continue
with
those
wish
you
to
speak
in
opposition
of
assembly
bill
147
broadcast.
Please.
J
E
D
A
A
Thank
you
broadcast
now
I'd
like
to
invite
those
wishing
to
speak
in
the
neutral
position
for
assembly
bill
147
broadcast.
Please.
J
A
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
guys
for
this
lively
conversation.
I
know
that
my
co-presenter
and
commissioner
seger
bloom
is
I'm
sure
he
is
enjoying
his
new
role
on
the
county
commission,
but
I
am
sure
he
misses
this
banter
and
this
policy
discussion
as
they
can
become
very
lively.
So
I
appreciate
him
taking
some
time
to
come
and
help
me
present
this
in
his
like
personal
capacity.
D
I
just
want
to
end
I
I
would
encourage
people
and
I
encourage
the
opposition
to
continue
to
reach
out
to
me.
Like
I
said
I
have
been
available
for
quite
some
time.
I
appreciate
the
efforts
of
mako
and
all
of
the
counties
around
the
state
of
nevada
that
have
come
in,
have
this
conversations
with
their
members
and
decided
to
support
this
piece
of
legislation.
D
Just
briefly,
I'm
going
to
touch
on
a
couple
of
things
that
came
up
during
the
opposition.
I'm
not
really
sure.
I
understand
this
argument
that
the
county
commission
would
fire
their
council
and
why
the
reverse
wouldn't
be
the
same
if
the
district
attorney
gave
an
elected
d.a
advice
that
they
did
not
agree
on,
the
da
could
still
fire
them
under
these.
This
reasoning,
and
so
this
whole,
like
reverse
thing
assumption,
is
crazy.
D
I
probably
should
be
personally
offended
of
the
representations
made
in
the
opposition
as
a
private
attorney
that
somehow
I'm
not
held
to
the
same
ethical
standards
as
district
attorneys,
but
I
will
ensure
I
will
assure
you
and
I'm
sure,
other
members
of
the
legal
community
all
like
hold
ourselves
out
to
the
same
ethical
standards,
whether
we
were
county
council
or
whatever
our
title
is.
But
with
that
being
said,
I
will
continue
to
have
these
conversations
to
get
this
policy
right.
A
Thank
you
again,
assemblywoman
for
taking
on
this
conversation,
and
I
appreciate
you
having
preemptively
reached
out
and
had
conversations
prior
to
today's
hearing,
understandably
there's
a
whole
host
of
perspectives,
and
I
know
the
committee
is
committed
to
helping
you
find
resolution
through
this
bill
and
address
some
of
these
issues
of
conflict
that
have
been
raised.
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
147
and
mr
segerbloom
again.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
A
Welcome
back
to
your
house
as
always,
so
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
open
it
for
public
comment
broadcast,
we
could
please
go
to
a
public
comment.
I
want
to
remind
those
of
you
wishing
to
speak
in
public
comment
that
we
are
no
longer
hearing
assembly
bill
147.
A
A
I
want
to
thank
the
members
of
we
had
some
good,
lengthy
discussion
this
week,
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
participation,
effectiveness
and
willingness
to
engage
in
dialogue
that,
at
times
we
may
or
may
not
agree
with.
I
know
that
everybody
is
going
to
be
in
horrible
pain
at
the
announcement
that
we
shall
not
be
meeting
tomorrow.
A
I
know
that
it's
it's
horrible
for
everybody,
but
I
think
our
staff
needs
a
break
and,
and
all
of
you
deserve
it
too.
I
see
an
assemblyman
ellison
in
tears,
but
feel
free
to
give
me
a
call,
and
I
and
I
and
I
will
greatly
entertain
a
45-minute
conversation
on
easements
or
some
other
great
stuff
that
you'd
like,
if
you
feel
the
need
to
do
so.
Thank
you,
members.
A
A
There
are
bills
that
we
were
trying
to
get
scheduled,
but
by
the
request
of
sponsors
they
are
still
working
with
stakeholders
and
do
not
feel
prepared
or
and
or
want
to
give
the
opposition
an
opportunity
to
echo
some
of
those
concerns
and
see
they
can
reach
some
type
of
amicable
agreement
prior
to
having
the
presentation,
so
I'm
trying
to
be
as
respectful
as
that
as
possible.
A
So
we
are
still
in
the
process
of
slightly
making
some
modifications
to
the
agenda,
which
is
why
you
have
not
seen
something
posted
yet,
but
we're
working
on
that
diligently
and
you
should
see
something
up
soon
with
that
members.
I
appreciate
the
work
again.
This
meeting's.