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B
A
President,
thank
you,
mr
secretary.
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
the
the
agenda.
The
order
appears
senate
bill
4,
followed
by
senate
bill
67
also.
I
know
we
have
some
folk
who
are
hoping
to
testify
either
in
support
opposition
or
neutral.
We
will
be
allocating
20
minutes
for
support
20
for
neutral
and
20
for
opposition.
A
What
I
mean
by
that
is,
should
you
testify
in
opposition
and
you
take
up
19
minutes
and
then
there's
45
people
after
you?
It
is
what
it
is,
I'm
not
going
to
stop
you,
so
please
make
sure
that
you
you're
talking
to
the
bill
sponsor
and
to
those
who
are
in
opposition
or
neutral
or
support
whatever
it
may
be,
so
that
you
can
coordinate
and
you're
not
taking
everybody
else's
time.
For
those
of
you
wishing
to
join
us
for
public
comment,
we'll
be
doing
that
at
the
very
end
of
today's
meeting
and
members.
A
I
want
to
remind
you,
please
make
sure
you're
not
logged
into
zoom,
if
you're
in
the
committee
room
you're
in
the
committee
room,
if
you're
in
zoom
you're
on
zoom,
for
those
of
you
who
are
joining
us
today
and
are
hoping
to
testify.
Please
make
sure
you
state
your
name
for
the
record.
The
very
first
time
you
do
testify.
Please
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
A
We
have
some
very
hard-working
folk
behind
the
scenes
who
are
not
necessarily
watching
the
meeting
but
they're
listening
to
it
and
you
help
them
when
you
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
So
please
do
that
and
make
sure
you
state
your
name
for
the
record
after
each
question
and
with
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
today's
meeting
on
senate
bill
4
good
morning
whenever
you're
ready.
D
Good
morning,
chair
flores
vice
chair
torres
and
members
of
the
committee
joanna
jacob,
and
I
am
government
affairs
manager
for
clark
county-
that's
joanna
j-o-a-n-n-a,
last
name
jacob
j-a-c-o-b,
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
in
person
with
everybody.
I've
appeared
many
times
before
this
committee
on
the
phone
and
so
very
happy
to
be
here,
presenting
both
of
the
bills
that
are
here
before
you
on
the
agenda
from
clark
county.
D
D
When
they
want
you
to
do
something-
and
this
is
really
the
impetus
for
the
bill-
that
we
know
that
we
have
a
big
problem
with
illegal
firework
use
in
clark
county-
we-
I
did
have
some
other
slides,
but
I
took
out
some
of
my
pictures
for
copyright
purposes,
but
I
I
will
tell
you
that
it's
very
easy
and
those
of
you
who
live
in
southern
nevada,
I
know,
are
very
aware
of
the
fireworks
that
we
have
in
fourth
of
july
and
in
around
fourth
of
july.
D
This
is
one
of
the
costs
to
the
county
july
3rd
to
july
5th
2020.
We
had
43
fireworks
fires
and
that's
incident
reports
that
were
attributed
to
fireworks
that
were
discharged
in
neighborhoods
and
we
sent
crews
out.
It
was
an
average
of
6.6
firefighters
that
went
out
on
each
incident,
and
this
is
in
addition
to
the
work
that
they
have
to
do
every
day,
and
this
is,
I
will
tell
you,
this
is
just
clark
county
fire.
D
D
I
want
to
show
you
if
you
didn't
know
about
this
for
residents
of
clark
county.
We
have
set
up
something
called
I
spy
and
we
set
this
up
for
planning
purposes.
D
This
is
a
alternative
to
calling
9-1-1
on
4th
of
july
so
that
you
can
log
complaints
of
fireworks,
and
then
we
use
the
data
to
be
able
to
plan
our
future
response.
So
we
know
from
our
I
spy
dashboard.
I
guess
our
complaints
that
we
know
that
the
complaints
have
increased.
You
can
see
I've
provided
a
comparison
between
2019
to
2020.,
we've
received
a
36
increase,
so
we
had
over
22
000
reports
into
the
ispy
system
last
summer.
D
If
you're
interested,
I
logged
the,
we
can
do
this
for
you,
so
you
can
pull
for
southern
nevada
residents.
The
the
reports
that
come
from
within
your
assembly
district.
We
can
log
it
through
municipality
that
type
of
thing,
but
we
took
the
liberty
of
just
pulling
the
complaints
from
the
members
who
sit
on
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee
and
28
of
our
22.
000
complaints
came
from
your
districts
in
southern
nevada
and
we're
happy
to
send
you
this
website.
D
D
D
D
It's,
and
we
know
that
we
see
with
fireworks
finer
particulate
matter,
and
you
can
see
on
july
4th
at
the
table
at
the
bottom.
The
air
quality
in
clark
county
does
tend
to
does
tend
to
impact
air
quality
around
fourth
of
july.
We
know
fourth
of
july
is
usually
the
worst
day
in
clark
county
in
july
for
air
quality.
D
Here's
another
impact
on
the
county,
we
have
animal
control
and
we
also
included
some
information
from
the
animal
foundation,
which
is
a
shelter
that
contracts
with
clark
county
and
with
the
cities,
but
we
know
that
fireworks
and
many
of
you
might
be
pet
owners.
Pet
owners
impact
pet
owners
right.
We
know
we
have
animals
who
run
away,
and
this
is
something
that
we
track
also
for
code
enforcement,
that
we
know
that
this
is
an
impact
we
see
runaway
pets
in
on
in
and
around
4th
of
july.
Every
time
this
is
kind
of
what
we
do.
D
D
We,
the
enforcement
team
that
you
see
below
you,
is
how
enforcement
works
really.
Is
we
use
a
combination
of
metro
officers,
code
enforcement
and
our
fire
prevention
officials
who
work
together
to
respond
on
fourth
of
july,
and
I've
noted
down
here.
I
want
to
note
that
the
bill
that
we're
presenting
to
you
to
today
is
enabling
so
it
means
that
if
it
were
to
pass,
we
would
have
to
do
an
ordinance
and
the
ordinance
process
does
take
quite
a
bit
a
period
of
time.
D
It
is
very
highly
unlikely
that
we
will
be
able
to
have
this
bill
be
in
effect
and
have
the
ordinance
passed
before
this
4th
of
july,
but
we
do
anticipate
that
we
would
have
to
do
a
very
significant
outreach
campaign
about
the
impacts
of
these
bills
and
we
have
the
framework
in
place
to
do
this,
because
we
have
partnerships
with
the
cities
and
with
metro
and
and
our
the
partners
that
work
on
this.
D
D
D
That
was
something
that
we
clarified
in
the
first
reprint,
so
the
first
reprint,
it's
a
really
you
can
see
in
the
bill.
This
is
kind
of
this
is
what
we
did.
The
original
bill
when
it
came
out
was
very
broad
and
in
our
conversations
in
the
senate
we
reduced
it
originally
proposed
a
50
000
maximum
range
for
penalties.
D
That
was
something
that
we
looked
at
and
is
very
similar
to
what
the
state
fire
marshal
has
in
statute
in
nrs
477,
but
that
in
conversations
in
the
senate
there
was
some
discomfort
with
that
fine
level.
So
we
reduced
the
fine
in
working
on
this
bill
to
ten
thousand
dollars
maximum
range.
That
was
chosen
because
it
aligns
with
the
felony
fine
for
destruction
of
property,
and
this
is
a
maximum.
This
is
really
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
we.
D
D
Our
intent
was
not
to
go
after
legally
permitted
activity
or
licensed
activity,
and
then
there
was
language
that
was
added,
and
you
will
see
that
in
section
two
of
the
bill
to
require
us
to
consider
when
we
do
our
ordinance
setting
mandatory
factors
which
are
the
number
of
prior
violations,
that
means
setting
a
fine
for
first
violation,
second,
violation:
third
violation
again
going
back
to
the
state
fire,
marshal's
regulations,
nrs
477
authorizes
a
range
up
to
50
000,
but
says
that
he
has
to
tier
it
and
he
has
to
set
tears,
and
so
we
modeled
that
after
existing
nrs,
we
also
added
language
that
you
have
to
consider.
D
The
severity
of
the
violation
we
did,
we
did
look
at
other
areas.
This
was
a
question
that
I
received
and
I
actually
just
to
take
a
moment.
I
would
like
to
thank.
I
did
get
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
many
of
the
committee
chair
flores
before
this
hearing
today
on
both
bills.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
those
who
took
the
time
to
meet
with
me
before
this,
and
one
of
the
questions
that
we
had
received
was:
what
do
other
states
do
or
are
there
other
models?
D
So
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
what
the
fire
marshal's
law
says,
but
also
our
neighbors
to
the
east.
California
has
a
state
law
where
they
have
fines
that
are
set
similar
to
what
we
want
to
do,
which
is
a
maximum
range
and
it
then
it
increases
according
to
the
volume
of
the
fireworks
that
you
are
in
possession
of.
D
So
if
you
have
more
than
a
hundred
pounds,
for
example,
california,
fines
can
range
up
to
five
thousand
dollars
if
you
have
more
than
that,
it
can
go
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
or
even
higher,
depending
on
the
volume
that
you
have.
I
will
note
in
talking
to
our
fire
prevention
folks
who
do
this
enforcement.
D
They
know
that
their
california
highway
patrol
usually
does
set
up
on
the
on
the
border
of
nevada
and
california
every
fourth
of
july,
both
in
the
north
and
the
south,
and
they
they
once
people
cross
over
to
california
side
with
fireworks
that
have
been
obtained
in
nevada.
They
they
will
fill
trailers
full
of
illegal
fireworks
that
are
also
not
permitted
in
california.
D
California
really
does
regulate
things
either
safe
and
sane,
or
many
of
the
counties
in
california
to
permit
fireworks
outright.
I
will
tell
you,
because
this
bill
impacts
all
counties,
because
it
is
not
specific
to
clark
county
when
we
did
a
survey
of
the
other
counties.
Many
counties
just
outright
prohibit
fireworks,
except
for
nye
county,
which
you
may
be
familiar
with,
which
permits
fireworks
in
a
broader
sense
and
then
clark
county
does
permit
safe
and
sane.
D
D
We
do
not
ticket
as
a
and
we
have
not,
and
when
we
looked
back
at
the
history,
I
think
there
was
one
time,
but
this
was
a
concern,
a
specific
concern
from
the
senate
committee.
So
that
was
something
that
we
that
we
agreed
to
in
the
senate
side,
and
that
is
the
modification
that
we
made.
D
This
is
my
final
slide.
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
the
statistics.
I
know
you're
probably
exhausted,
with
powerpoints
at
this
point
this
late
in
the
session,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
language
is
enabling
that
I
wanted
to
kind
of
tell
you
what
we're
going
to
do
next,
because
I
there
were
some
questions
about.
D
D
Then
there
is
a
required
business
impact,
and
that
is
a
requirement
under
state
law,
and
we
have
to
give
notice
to
impacted
industry,
neighborhood
associations,
those
types
of
things
when
we're
doing
an
ordinance
and
allow
them
time
to
comment
and
provide
input
and
that
business
impact
statement
must
be
considered
prior
to
the
drafting
of
the
ordinance.
It's
usually
considered
as
a
separate
agenda
item
by
the
board,
and
then
we
begin
the
process
of
doing
an
ordinance,
and
I
know
assemblywoman
black
is
very
familiar
with
this.
D
Having
sit
on
having
served
on
the
city
council,
but
you
you
usually
introduce
the
ordinance
and
allow
time
for
comment
and
then
then,
at
a
subsequent
meeting
is
when
the
ordinance
would
be
adopted.
D
I
would
just
like
to
say
is
we
know
that
the
fines
that
we
have
today
are
not
deterring
the
conduct,
but
I
know
that
there
are
concerns
just
in
conversations
that
I've
had
about
first
offenses
and
whether
we
are
going
to
find
someone
at
a
ten
thousand
dollar
level
when
we
are
out
in
the
community,
and
I
will
say
that
we
are
considering
that
as
part
of
the
ordinance.
But
that
is
not
the
intent.
The
intent
is
not
to
go
after
with
that.
D
Fine
that
fine
level
the
kid
who
is
setting
off
a
firework,
you
know
with
his
friends
in
the
backyard.
This
is
really
intended
to
give
us
some
tools
to
go
after
the
people
who
are
bringing
in
truckloads
and
volume
with
the
intent
to
to
redistribute,
and
that
is
that
is
the
intent,
and
I
want
to
say
that
very
clearly
and
succinctly,
because
I
think
that
that's
the
challenge
that
we
have
seen-
and
I
know
that
I
have
clark
county
da's
office
here-
who
can
provide
some
additional
context
on
some
of
those
challenges.
D
I
would
also
like
to
just
take
the
liberty
of
drawing
your
attention
to
some
of
the
letters
that
were
filed
on
the
senate
side.
We
know
that
the
reason
why
this
really
bubbled
up
to
the
forefront
for
a
priority
for
clark
county
is
because
we
have
a
number
of
veterans
in
our
community
who
contact
our
commission
offices
who
are
suffering
from
ptsd,
and
this
is
a
serious
impact
to
them
every
fourth
of
july.
D
We
also
have
survivors
in
our
community
of
the
route
91
harvest
festival,
and
we
were
fortunate
to
have
a
relationship
with
many
of
those
survivors
at
the
county
also,
and
we
talked
to
them
about
this
bill,
and
one
of
the
survivors
did
file
a
letter
of
support.
Her
name
is
terry
davis
and
we
filed.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
that
letter
is
there.
D
I
don't
know.
If
I
will
get
questions
on
this.
So
I
will
tell
you
that
most
of
the
changes
that
I
discussed
were
in
section
two
of
the
bill
section.
One
was
something
that
was
added
as
I
clean
up
because-
and
this
is
really
just
a
notice
for
members
of
the
government
affairs
committee
counties
and
are
in
order
to
get
express
authority
to
do
a
fine,
have
to
ask
for
that
authority
from
the
legislature
and
where
there
is
a
specific,
specific
fine
authorized.
D
That
should
be
succinct,
I
guess,
but
we
there
is
a
section
of
nrs
244
governing
counties
which
limits
the
penalties
to
one
thousand
dollars
and
that's
kind
of
our
limit
on
penalties.
And
if
we
do
need
to
assess
a
higher
penalty,
it
is
an
exception
to
that
rule,
and
we
wanted
to
make
that
clear
in
the
bet
in
the
bill,
and
so
that's
the
change
in
section
one
and
with
that.
A
E
Thank
you
chair.
First
of
all,
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
bill.
The
only
thing
that
bothers
me
about
your
bill
is
that
I
didn't
think
of
it.
First,
I
think
it's
very,
very
important
for
us
to
get
this
message
out
as
we
notice
on
the
slide.
I
believe
there
were
972
complaints
in
my
district.
It's
like
a
war
zone.
On
that
day,
it's
it's
it's
becoming
to
the
point
to
where
the
fourth
of
july
is
no
longer
enjoyable,
at
least
not
for
me
and
my
family.
E
I
have
to
sedate
my
dog,
I
think,
about
the
veterans
in
my
neighborhood
that
also
have
those
issues
I
actually
lost
a
little
chihuahua
one
year.
I
mean
it
was
the
day
after
the
fourth
of
july,
because
the
kids
continue
with
the
big
big
fireworks
and
I
went
to
the
dog
pound
looked
for
my
dog
and
that's
when
I
was
informed
by
your
slide
as
well
that
that's
that
we
lose
so
many
pets
because
of
the
the
fireworks.
E
D
F
G
D
Going
to
say
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
I
don't
mean
to
make
a
joke
of
it.
I
will
tell
you
our
our
commissioners
do
a
lot
of
work
with
our
veterans
groups
and
some
of
the
comments
I
mean.
I
exerted
some
of
the
comments
from
our
commission
offices,
but
we
do
have
our
commission,
commissioner
staff,
who
work
very
closely
with
veterans
groups,
and
we
do
get
calls
every
every
every
every
fourth
of
july.
I
will
also
tell
you
that
this
is
a
year-round
problem,
and
you
probably
know
this
as
well.
D
We've
highlighted
the
fourth
of
july
because
it
tends
to
be
the
busiest,
but
we
know
that
there
are
other
times
where
this
does
impact
our
communities,
and
so
it's
really
from
talking
to
about
the
impacts
with
the
veterans.
It's
the
fact
that
they
that
it
could
come
at
any
time
and
you
can't
you
can't
escape
it,
and
we
we've
had
anecdotal
stories
that
people
leave
town
and
have
to
feel
like
they
have
to
leave
their
homes
and
go
elsewhere.
D
I
I
just
know
that
councilman
churchill
also
highlighted
this,
and
so
I
think
that
it,
it
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
brought
this
bill
and
assemblyman
training
is.
I
will
also
note
be
happy
to
work
with
you
on
awareness
in
your
district,
because
I
think
the
the
goal
is
always
just
to
make
sure
that
people
know
what
the
rules
are
and
the
types
of
fireworks
that
are
permitted
and-
and
that's
really
what
the
ultimate
goal
is.
E
And-
and
we
don't
want
to
take
the
holiday
away
from
anybody,
I
mean
the
fourth
of
july
is
just
so
amazing
right,
we're
celebrating
america,
but
it
also
has
to
be
constrained.
You
know
the
safe
insane,
I'm
all
for
it.
You
know
the
school's
getting
the
money
for
the
fireworks,
but
these
these
fireworks
that
are
like
several
hundred
dollars.
There
are
several
hundred
dollars.
I
mean
they
even
make
my
window
shake.
E
You
know,
like
I
said
it's
starting
to
become
to
the
point
to
where
it's
no
longer
enjoyable
and
that's
not
what
it's
supposed
to
be.
Everybody
is
supposed
to
enjoy
that
wonder,
wonder,
wonderful,
wonderful
holiday,
so
thank
you.
H
Good
morning,
chair
and
thank
you
clark
county
for
presenting
this
bill.
I
I
am
I
like
it.
H
I
live
in
north
las
vegas,
which
is
councilman
churchill's
district
and
just
seeing
the
numbers
in
district
17,
which
is
926,
that's
a
lot
of
complaints
and
that's
just
probably
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
there
with
these
numbers
mike-
and
you
know
you
you
kind
of
touched
on
it
when
you
said
that
you
didn't
get
all
the
numbers,
because
I
was
thinking
that
if
memory
serves
me
correctly
that
when
the
pandemic
started
back
in
march,
there
were
fireworks
from
march
through
you
know
july,
and
you
know
so.
H
I
know
that
the
complaints
have
to
be
higher
than
what
we're
showing
and
you
know
again
I
say
ditto
to
assembly,
one
woman,
martinez
and
thank
you
again
for
bringing
this
forward.
D
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
thomas.
I
will
note
that
we
do.
We
do
keep
this
I
spy
tool
running,
I
said
so,
of
course,
this
is
a
tool
available
for
you,
of
course,
and
we
can
definitely
follow
up
and
make
sure
you
have
that
information.
So
thank
you
for
those
comments.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
miss
jacobs
for
your
presentation,
I'm
another
ditto.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
me
the
other
day,
and
I
apologize
the
question
I'm
going
to
ask
you
today.
I
did
not
ask
you
in
my
office
did
not
actually
occur
to
me
then
so.
First,
I
want
to
follow
up
on
that
ditto
right
people
with
autism
often
experience
adverse
reactions
relative
to
fireworks
and
that
sudden
explosion.
F
Besides
my
beloved
dogs,
who
also
have
a
problem-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
with
post-traumatic
stress
disorder,
so
the
environmental
conditions
that
fireworks
create
can
be
concerning
to
many
many
people
in
our
community,
and
so
I
really
want
to
acknowledge
that,
first
and
foremost,
secondarily
as
as
a
lawmaker
as
a
part
of
this
legislative
body,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
always
very
concerned
about
is
fairness
and
appropriateness
in
right.
F
And
so
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we
are
not
criminalizing
citations
for
fireworks
where
they
really
should
be
civil
citations
and
that
we
are
appropriately
targeting
the
people
who
are
bringing
in
larger
quantities
as
opposed
to
the
neighborhood
families
that
could
never
afford
to
pay
a
fine
of
ten
thousand
dollars
right?
How
do
we
get
at
the
root
of
that
and
I'm
just
curious
to
know
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
how
the
county
proposes
to
handle
that.
D
This
is
something
that
I
envision,
that
we
will
do
in
our
ordinance
process,
because
this
is
enabling
language,
and
this
is
something
that,
as
we've
worked
our
way
through
the
legislative
process.
It
is
very
clear
from
the
legislative
record
that
this
is
a
concern
and
that
we
have
been
trying
to
establish
our
intent
where
we
can.
D
D
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
really
drove
us
to
add
the
language
requiring
us
to
look
at
the
mandatory
factors
about
the
severity
of
the
violation,
because,
if
you
have,
if
you
have
a
large
volume
of
fireworks,
for
example,
I
can
tell
you
from
having
looked
at
the
state
fire
marshal's
regulations.
He's
got
a
variety
of
tiers,
because
that's
what
the
that's?
What
the
law
says,
you
shall
tear
right.
You
shall
tear
your
fines
for
an
unlicensed
display
of
fireworks,
for
example
the
minimum
fine.
D
There
is
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
he
is
in
conversations
with
him
has
told
me
that
that's
an
inherently
dangerous
activity,
but
if
we're
talking
about
a
small
group
or
any
of
these
things
like
one
discharge,
that
would
be
something
that
we
could
consider
in
the
tiers.
We've
looked
at
models
which
really
determine
fines
on
the
level
of
possession
like
what
are
you?
Do
you
have
how
many
pounds
that
you
have
in
your
possession?
That's
really
our
intent.
D
So
if
we
have
a
neighborhood
gathering,
as
you
said,
unless
they're
bringing
in
three
truckloads
of
fireworks,
that
would
be
the
concern
right.
They
may
fall
into
the
people
who
are
bringing
in
a
large
volume
into
our
community.
But
if
it's
a
smaller
volume,
then
that's
the
intent,
and
I
will
tell
you
our
clark
county
board
of
commissioners
are
not
they.
D
When
we
talked
about
this
bill,
the
intent
is
to
go
after
the
larger
volumes,
and
so
I
can
tell
you
absolutely
that
when
they
gave
me
direction
to
pursue
this
bill,
that
that
was
the
direction
from
the
board
and
that's
why
we
put
in
that
language
I'm
happy
to
if
you
have
further
suggestions
on
on
how
to
make
it
narrower
or
how
to
do
that.
We'd
be
happy
to
discuss
that.
I
think
I
want
to
give
flexibility
because
of
the
re.
D
I
really
believe
in
the
ordinance
process
because
we
can
go
in
and
we
can
adjust
according
to
our
community
input,
what
the
appropriateness
of
the
fine
is-
and
I
will
tell
you
that
there
is
the
county-
can
define,
and
it
is
on
our
ordinance
that
we
can.
There
are
misdemeanor
violations
right,
so
we
can
charge
misdemeanors
for
depending
on
the
conduct,
and
that
is
something
that
the
county
can
do.
Of
course
we
can't
define
a
felony,
that's
the
legislature's
job,
but
that
is
really
when
we
look
at
the
proportionality
of
it.
D
F
A
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
members,
any
additional
questions,
some
of
them
nelson,
please.
C
I
can't
send
you
a
message,
but
anyway
is:
is
this
a
state
bill
or
a
clark
county
bill
because
it
doesn't
have
a
pop
cap?
It
just
says
clark
county,
but
I
do.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
You
know
the
problem.
Is
you
know
it's
the
access
to
these
fireworks,
the
walmarts.
The
k
marks
the
smoke
shops,
these
kind
of
places
that
are
selling
these
in
large
bundles
and
then
they
go
out
and
fire
them
all.
C
I'm
a
major
supporter
of
independence
day
and
my
wife
and
I
and
our
family
go
out
for
months,
trying
to
put
the
fourth
of
july
together
in
elko.
So,
but
you
could
see
these
little
fires
causing.
You
know
the
problems
and
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
still
think
to
get
to
the
meat
of
this
you've
got
to
go
to
to
who's,
supplying
the
product
and
and
the
smoke
shops
or
some
of
the
worse.
C
So
indian
reservations,
you
know-
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
know
if
you're
gonna
try
to
to
handle
it
on
that
side
or
what,
because
that
that
is
an
issue
out
there
and
then
the
other
thing
is
how
many
people
get
burned.
C
You
know
you
haven't
discussed
that,
because
how
many
people
actually
get
hurt
firing
them
off
and
but
you
know
the
other
thing
I
hope
you
don't
take
away
from
the
kids
like
poppers
and
sparklers
and
and
stuff
like
this,
because
that's
important
these
little
guys
and
they're
not
shooting
something
in
the
air.
That's
going
to
land
on
a
roof,
but
I'm
hoping
you're
not
going
to
put
that
into
the
into
the
list
of
this.
D
Mr
chair,
through
you
to
assemblyman
ellison
joanna
jacob
for
the
record
assemblyman.
Thank
you
for
those
concerns.
I
I
was
trying
to
take
notes,
so
I
can
address.
I
think,
the
four
things
you
asked
me
there.
Yes,
it
is
a
statewide
bill.
This
is
not
population
cap,
so
this
is
authority
that
would
be
given
to
all
counties.
D
Fireworks
are
regulated
at
the
local
level
in
nrs
and
this
is,
and
it
is
in
nrs
244,
which
is
the
general
power
of
counties.
So
each
county
can
make
their
own
rules,
and
this
is
something
that
we
discussed
in
the
senate
side.
I
will
tell
you:
the
fireworks
stores
in
nye
county
did
originally
oppose
our
first
bill
and
we
worked
with
them
and
it
and
understand
that
it
is
important
to
have
that
local
authority
because
that's
they're
the
most
responsive
to
what
their
community
wants.
So
this
is
a
statewide
bill.
D
D
I
think
when
we
have
a
distinction
between
dangerous
fireworks
and
our
code,
though
I
will
tell
you
the
fire
marshal
hates
that
distinction,
because
he
thinks
everything
that
lights
on
fire
is
dangerous,
but
when
we
have
sparklers
and
those
things
that
tend
to
be
the
poppers
things
that
don't
go
up
into
the
air
and
explode,
those
would
not
be
touched
by
this
bill.
Those
are
likely
to
be
safe
and
sane,
and
that
is
something
that
is
regulated
at
the
county
right.
D
D
Smoke,
shops
and
things
did
come
up
in
the
senate
side
and
unfortunately,
we
don't
have
authority,
and
we
cannot
do
that.
We
cannot
regulate,
we
do
work
with.
We
do
try
and
outreach
and
work
with
the
with
the
smoke
shops
and
things
that
are
in
clark
county
to
try
and
bring
awareness,
and
they
do
partner
with
us
and
they're
part
of
the
working
group
about
awareness
about
what
is
permitted
in
clark
county
right
and
that
they
are
a
stakeholder
on
that.
D
I
think
I
hit
all
of
your
points,
but
I
will
just
make
a
point
about
fourth
of
july.
I
also
enjoy
fourth
of
july.
I
think
we
all
do
and
we
enjoy
fireworks,
and
this
is
not
intended
to
get
rid
of
fireworks
or
to
wreck
anybody's.
Fourth
of
july.
D
We
have
displays
of
fireworks
that
we
can
all
enjoy
in
the
community
that
are
usually
discharged
by
people
who
are
properly
trained,
that
they
have
a
fire
plan
on
site
and
know
what
to
do.
If
something
happens,
that
endangers
the
community-
and
that
is
these
types
of
fireworks
shows
and
displays
are
ones
that
we
can
continue
to
just
to
enjoy.
They
are
licensed
and
permitted,
and-
and
this
will
not
touch
that
activity
or
hurt
that
activity
in
the
community.
B
B
B
Finally,
when
we
have
a
misdemeanor
type
crime,
we
have
a
few
issues
with
respect
to
proving
the
case
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt.
One
is
the
storage.
All
of
our
fireworks
statutes
require
that
the
fireworks
be
destroyed
and
when
you're
looking
at
proving
a
case
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
oftentimes
you'll
need
the
firework
to
show
to
the
judge
that
it
was
in
fact
an
illegal
firework.
Now
we
can
take
pictures
and
the
like,
but
again,
our
burden
is
as
high
as
it
can
be,
with
the
criminal
trial
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt.
B
Potentially,
we
could
also
have
testing
issues
showing
through
expert
testimony
or
the
like
that
the
firework
was
in
fact
illegal
and
then,
finally,
even
if
we
were
to
keep
the
firework
an
impound
with
law
enforcement,
there
are
numerous
hurdles
with
respect
to
storing
fireworks
that
causes
problems
with
criminal
prosecution.
B
So
that
leaves
us
with
another
avenue,
which
is
the
civil
or
administrative
penalty
which
sb
4
allows
the
lower
burden
of
proof
with
administrative
or
civil
penalties.
That's
preponderance
of
the
evidence,
which
is
more
likely
than
not
instead
of
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
serves
as
a
dual
benefit.
It
requires
less
prosecutorial
resources
on
our
behalf
and
the
county's
behalf
and
in
the
instance
of
sb4
we'd
have
higher
fines,
which
will
hopefully
deter
some
of
the
conduct
that
joanna
talked
about
in
her
presentation.
B
So
I
want
to
hit
this
point
that
joanna
talked
about
it.
Sb4
is
simply
enabling
any
ordinance
would
have
to
go
through
an
intensive
public
comment
and
hearing
process
by
the
clark
county
commission,
specifically
before
becoming
ineffective
and
again
the
ordinance.
Excuse
me,
the
law
sb4
has
in
it
provisions
that
mandate
that
we
take
into
account
the
severity
of
the
offense.
So
with
that
a
chair,
flores
members
of
committee,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
clark,
county
da's
office
is
here
in
support
of
sb4.
A
And,
more
importantly,
thank
you
also
for
reaching
out
preemptively.
I
know
you
sent
out
some
emails
and
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
We'll
continue
with
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
senate
bill
4.
I
Good
morning,
chairman
flores
and
vice
chair,
torrez
ajd
members
of
the
committee
aj
d,
lab
on
behalf
of
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
It's
my
first
time
at
the
mic
this
session
too.
So
it's
great
to
be
here
in
person.
We
appreciate
you
having
us
now,
I'm
going
to
give
a
perspective
more
of
a
boots
on
the
ground
application
of
this.
We
believe
this
is
a
good
first
step
in
addressing
what
we
see
to
be
a
prolific
problem
occurring
every
summer
and
it's
really
began
in
the
last
three
or
four
years.
I
It
really
seemed
to
hit
a
whole
other
level
of
disturbances
for
our
community
and
I'm
not
sure
what
drove
that.
But
nonetheless,
here
we
are
and
that's
how
things
go
in
our
communities
because
of
the
prolific
events
and
the
inundation
of
calls
for
service
coming
into
our
dispatch
center
during
the
independence
holiday
and
leading
up
to
it.
I
The
clark
county
commission,
as
well
as
clark
county
fire
and
their
significant
impact
to
their
resources
as
well,
decided
to
form
a
committee
that
addressed
the
issue
and
we
meet
throughout
the
year
in
anticipation
of
another
eventful
fourth
of
july.
That
committee
commit
consists
of
code
enforcement,
clark,
county
fire,
las
vegas
fire
north
las
vegas
police,
henderson,
police,
henderson
fire.
It
goes
across
the
board
because
it's
just
all
over
our
valley,
so
we've
gotten
together
and
have
tried
to
address
the
issue.
I
Some
of
the
things
that
have
occurred
are
we
put
out,
psas,
which
I
think
ms
jacobs
showed
in
her
presentation.
We
put
out
reader
boards
leading
into
our
valley,
listing
non-safe
and
saying
fireworks
are
prohibited,
and
that's
done
because
of
the
questions
that
was
brought
up
by
simon
ellison
regarding
these
fireworks
come
from
outside
of
our
community.
So
we
want
everybody
to
know
what
is
legal
and
what
is
not
safe
insane.
Fireworks
are
legal
and
basically,
those
are
fireworks
that
stay
on
the
ground.
I
From
my
understanding,
if
they
leave
the
ground
and
detonate,
then
they're
illegal,
it's
an
easy
way
to
work
through
it.
So
because
of
the
inundation
of
the
calls
for
service
the
impact
to
our
dispatch
center.
It's
it's
been
significant
and
another
aspect
of
what
the
committee
created
was
enforcement
teams.
So
a
couple
nights
leading
up
to
independence
day
depending
on
when
the
fourth
of
july
falls.
I
I
So
essentially
what
they
do
is
they
leave
their
location
of
assignment
where
they
meet
up
and
and
they
go
into
a
community
where
there's
significant
reports
of
fireworks
and
they
really
never
get
out
of
there,
because
it's
just
everywhere,
so
the
the
circumstances
are
are,
are
very
difficult
to
overcome,
and
we
feel
that
this
is
a
good
step
forward
in
addressing
an
issue
that
our
community
has
and
if
the
clark
county
commission
decides
to
pursue
it,
then
this
would
enable
them
to
do
so
and
that's
why
we're
in
support
of
this
measure
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
E
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
kelly
crompton
k-e-l-l-y-c-r-o-m-p-t-o-n,
representing
the
city
of
las
vegas.
We
just
like
to
echo
the
comments
that
our
colleagues
at
the
county
made.
We
appreciate
them
using
one
of
their
bdrs
to
bring
this
bill
forward
as
you've
heard
from
the
other
people
in
support.
We
are
part
of
the
community
response
process
with
our
las
vegas
fire
and
rescue,
as
well
as
the
amount
of
complaints
that
we
hear
day
in
and
day
out
in
that
holiday
weekend
at
the
city
council
level.
A
J
J
J
These
fires
caused
five
civilian
deaths,
46
civilian
injuries
and
105
million
dollars
in
direct
property
damage.
The
most
visible
example
I
can
give
you
of
fireworks
started
fire.
It
happened
here
in
northern
nevada,
back
in
2000
july
of
2004,
which
was
the
mostly
lane
fire
destroyed
four
homes
and
damaged
seven
others.
J
It's
important
to
recognize
that
these
fireworks
caused
fires
are
not
just
around
july
4th.
They
can
also
be
especially
here
in
northern
nevada,
a
year-round
issue
to
include
around
new
year's
eve,
the
following
day
and
any
other
major
holiday.
So
once
again
we're
in
support
of
sb4
and
are
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
A
G
This
is
cindy
with
broadcast
if
any
of.
G
J
A
J
J
C-H-R-I-F-T-I-C-A-B-R-E-R-A
and
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
here
in
support
of
sb4
around
90
of
wildfires
in
the
united
states
are
human
caused
and
the
legal
fireworks
are
a
common
culprit.
Human-Caused
wildfires,
combined
with
climate
change,
making,
is
making
the
west
hotter
and
drier
and
is
leading
to
larger,
more
intense
wildfires.
J
Last
year's
fire
season
set
new
records
in
terms
of
geographic
scale,
fire
intensity
and
racist
spread.
In
2020
alone,
humans
caused
over
540
wildfires
in
nevada,
burning
over
222
thousand
acres.
These
wildfires
have
disastrous
impacts
on
natural
areas
and
wildlife,
habitat
and
the
pollution
effects
from
the
smoke
is
hazardous
to
our
health.
J
J
J
J
I
serve
as
the
deputy
director
of
naco
the
nevada
association
of
counties.
We
are
testifying
today
in
support
of
sb4,
which
addresses
and
provides
clarification
around
the
issue
of
illegal
fireworks
counties
currently
have
the
authority
to
regulate
fireworks
and
different
counties
across
the
state
address
fireworks
in
a
multitude
of
different
ways.
Some
allow
fireworks
and
others
do
not,
and
we
support
the
clarification
providing
this
bill
that
would
enable
counties
to
increase
the
penalties
on
those
who
impact
the
public
health
and
safety
by
violating
of
the
public
by
violating
fireworks
ordinances.
J
We
understand
that
the
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
increase
the
tools
available
to
counties
to
ensure,
especially
during
the
summer
and
holiday
season,
that
people
are
kept
safe
on
behalf
of
the
association
that
represents
all
of
nevada's
counties.
We
support
sb4
and
thank
clark
county
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
We
do
appreciate
clark
county
bringing
for
this
bill
and
giving
us
some
more
options
to
help
address
illegal
fireworks
in
our
community.
For
the
members
on
the
on
the
committee
from
northern
nevada,
you
may
remember:
in
2019
we
had
a
rather
sizable
fire
just
outside
his
park
called
the
paw
raw
fire.
J
That
is
an
example
of
a
rather
large
wild
land
fire
that
was
started
with
illegal
fireworks,
and
it
was
large
it
burned
a
lot
of
land.
A
lot
of
work
was
done
by
our
firefighters,
because
that
is
also
a
culturally
sensitive
area,
as
well
as
a
large
wildlife
corridor.
So
we
do
have
some
large
concerns
with
the
types
of
wildfires
that
we
get
up
here
in
northern
nevada
and
the
clear
connection
between
them
and
the
illegal
use
of
fireworks.
J
So
we
are
very
appreciative
of
the
bill
being
brought
forward,
giving
us
some
more
options
to
help
address
the
use
of
illegal
fireworks
and
hope
that
the
bill
is
able
to
be
moved
forward.
Thank
you.
J
K
Good
morning,
sir
flores
and
members
of
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
ariel
edwards
a-r-I-e-l-l-e
e-d-w-a-r-d-s,
the
government
affairs
specialist
for
the
city
of
north
las
vegas.
I
am
calling
in
on
behalf
of
councilman
churchill.
He
extends
his
sincere
sincerest
apologies
for
being
unable
to
call
in
himself.
K
K
K
A
Chair,
thank
you
for
joining
us
next,
caller
in
support
of
senate
bill
4.
J
A
J
A
J
E
J
J
Revenue,
but
also
with
each
fireworks
sales
in
our
stores
in
pahrump,
there
is
a
ticket
that
the
purchaser
has
to
to
buy
that's
a
five
dollar
ticket
that
is
access
to
a
safe
space
that
the
town
has
put
aside
for
fireworks.
It's
cleared
off
of
any
vegetation,
it
has
concrete
pads.
It
has
fencing.
J
L
A
D
Please,
chair
flores.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
having
this
bill
scheduled
today
and
for
hearing
it
and
for
your
comments.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
feedback
and
the
comments
that
we
had.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
those
who
testified
in
support
of
this
measure
and
also
ms
fisher
for
testifying
in
neutral.
D
We
did
work
with
the
industry
and
I
will
also
because
I
did
not
say
this
in
my
preliminary
remarks.
Note
that
ms
fisher
and
some
of
the
industry
in
nye
county
during
the
course
of
working
with
clark
they
do
partner
with
us
on
outreach
and
it
is
very
important
to
nye
county
to
have
people
stay
in
nye
county
in
the
situation
that
she
discussed.
D
It
is
an
economic
driver
and
so
enforcement
in
clark
county
is
something
that
they
depend
on
as
well,
and
you
can
see
why-
and
I
think
I
remembered
assemblyman
ellison,
that
you
had
asked
me
about
the
number
of
people
who
are
being
burned.
I
do
not
have
state
statistics
on
that,
but
I
do
have
national
statistics
and
I
can
follow
up
with
you,
sir.
After
the
meeting
on
that.
I
just
remembered,
as
I
was
sitting
there
and
I'd
just
like
to
say
thank
you.
D
I
know
the
deadline
is
approaching,
so
I
will
follow
up
if
anybody
has
any
questions
or
concerns.
Please
do
not
hesitate
to
contact
me
and
I
will
hope
that
you
will
proceed
with
this
bill
support
and
move
it
to
work
session.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
D
Hello
again,
chair
flores
members
of
the
committee,
my
job
at
clark
county
is
one
in
which
I
must
often
pivot,
and
as
do
you
do
too,
and
so
we
shall
now
pivot
to
construction
and
nrs
338,
with
the
presentation
on
senate
bill,
67
again
chair,
flores
vice
chair
torres.
Thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
and
getting
it
scheduled
today
I
will
note
and
they
should
be
on
the
zoom
chair
flores,
but
I
do
have
assistant
county
manager,
randy
tarr
and
our
director
of
clark
county,
real
property
management
on
zoom.
D
If
there
are
technical
questions
about
this
bill,
so
I
don't
see
them,
but
I
know
that
they
are
there
and
I
just
want
you
to
be
aware
for
the
committee's
presence.
So
I
do
not
have
a
powerpoint
too
I'll.
Give
you
a
reprieve
from
powerpoints
it'll.
Just
be
me,
I
will
talk
to
you
about
senate
bill
67..
D
If
you
looked
at
the
original
bill,
we,
the
original
bill,
is
quite
different
from
the
mock-up
and
that
is
filed
with
nellis
today,
and
I
will
also
just
point
the
committee
to
the
mock-up.
This
is
something
that
I
worked
on
with
lcb
and
I
would
like
to
present
the
mock-up
and
work
from
the
mock-up
today.
D
The
original
bill
was
quite
broad
and
was
statewide
and
has
been
narrowed
in
our
work
with
stakeholders.
During
this
process,
the
amended
version
was
negotiated
over
a
period
of
months
with
labor
unions,
construction,
industry
representatives,
public
agencies,
statewide.
D
We,
the
amendment
in
the
senate,
deleted
portions
of
the
original
bill
out
of
concerns
that
were
raised.
That
would
have
allowed
us
to
increase
the
threshold
to
self-perform
jobs,
but
there
were
concerns
from
both
labor
and
industry
on
those
provisions
and
impact
to
small
businesses,
so
we
deleted
them.
D
I
will
tell
you
on
behalf
of
our
chairwoman,
I
marilyn
kirkpatrick,
who
chaired
this
committee
for
many
years,
I'll,
submit
the
senate
bill
67
for
clark
county
is
a
jobs
bill.
We
began
conversations
about
this
bill
prior
to
the
session
and
we've
been
working
with
these
stakeholders,
since
it
was
first
pre-filed.
D
We
met
with
southern
nevada
labor
at
the
outset
of
this
session
and
talked
to
them
about
about
this
bill,
because
it
is
important
for
our
chair
and
for
my
all
of
my
commissioners
to
invest
in
the
construction
industry
in
southern
nevada,
particularly
as
we
are
recovering
from
the
pandemic.
They
are
key
driver
for
our
economy
in
southern
nevada
and
we
want
that
industry
to
remain
strong
and
also
because
we
are
entering
a
time
period
where
local
government
budgets
are
recovering
from
the
impacts
of
the
pandemic.
D
I
will
start
going
through
the
mock-up,
but
I
first
well
I'll
start
going
through
the
mock-up,
mr
chair,
because
I
know
that
you
have
floor
today
and
I
want
to
make
the
most
efficient
use
of
your
time.
D
D
That
means
that
there
was
input
from
both
labor
and
industry
that
they
did
not
want
this
bill
in
washoe
county
and
we
in
consideration
and
out
of
respect
for
the
that
input
we
deleted
them
so
that
they
we
didn't,
have
impacts
on
the
community
further
further.
Within
the
pilot,
we
have
restricted
this
pilot
program
to
large
entities
for
clark,
county
clark,
county
reclamation
district,
which
is
our
sewage
plant
and
the
three
cities
in
southern
nevada
that
are
over
100
000
in
population
las
vegas,
henderson
and
north
las
vegas.
D
Under
this
pilot,
these
entities
will
be
permitted
during
the
pilot
period,
which
will
begin
october,
1st
in
under
the
mock-up
at
the
end
and
end
on
june
30th
in
four
years,
2025
to
use
a
method
of
project
delivery,
which
is
called
job
order
contracting
under
the
parameters
that
we
have
set
forth
in
the
bill.
The
job
order
contracting
is
something
if
you
want
to
think
about.
D
Just
a
few
notes
about
job
order
contracting
as
we
walk
through
the
bill.
It
is
prices
negotiated
up
front
in
the
solicitation,
so
material
and
labors,
and
all
the
costs
of
the
job
are
determined
by
a
concept
known
as
unit
pricing,
so
where
specific
price
is
set
for
what
may
be
required,
the
contractor's
bid
then
a
percentage
of
the
unit
price
book,
so
they
bid
it,
and
that
is
called
the
adjustment
factor
which
you
will
see
defined
in
the
mock-up
in
section
2.3.
D
D
Job
order
contracting
just
a
by
way
of
background,
has
been
used
successfully
for
many
years
nationwide.
It
is,
it
was
first
employed
by
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
it's
grown
and
expanded
since
then,
and
it's
for
at
least
35
years.
It's
used
nation
nationally
by
public
agencies,
local
governments,
housing
authorities,
university
systems
across
the
nation.
D
When
we
were
drafting
this
bill,
because
it's
been
around
so
long,
we
were
able
to
reach
out
to
some
local
other
jurisdictions
who
use
this
and
also
do
some
research
about
best
practices
right,
and
so
we
have
the
benefit
of
not
recreating
the
wheel
in
nevada.
We
can
look
at
other
jurisdictions
and
how
they
do
this,
as
we
begin
work
on
the
pilot
project.
So
those
were
my
introductory
remarks
and
then
I
will
go
very
quickly
through
the
mock-up,
mr
chair,
if
you
want
to
just
because
I
know
that
that
got
filed
in
nellis.
D
Unfortunately,
I
know
everybody
is
very
working
very
hard
during
this
deadline
week
and
I
received
this
last
night,
and
so
I
I
want
to
be
able
to
walk
through
it
with
you.
So
we
can
have
a
discussion
if,
if
that's
okay,
so
you
will
see
that
we
have
definitions
in
the
at
the
beginning
of
the
mock-up,
for
just
the
adjustment
factor
which
I,
which
I
described,
which
is
the
contractor's
overhead
and
the
multiplication
factor
that
gets
applied
to
the
unit
pricing.
D
We
also
have
defined
what
is
a
construction
task,
which
is
the
item
of
work,
because
as
how
this
works
is,
if
you
think
of
the
job
order
contract
as
the
one
solicitation
we
select
five
general
contractors,
then
things
get
issued
by
a
job
order
to
these
these
general
contractors
and,
for
example,
we
talked
to
a
city
in
california
that
uses
this
and
they
rotate
it
between
the
people
who
are
on
their
bench
right
and
then
that
gets
put
out
as
a
job
order.
So
you
will
see
job
order
defined
in
section
3
of
the
bill.
D
Section
5
is
where
we
have
the
limit
in
the
pilot
project,
and
this
was
really
done
in
collaboration
with
our
labor
stakeholders
in
southern
nevada.
I
would
like
to
say
that
they,
I
would
like
to
thank
them
for
their
work
and
for
going
along
with
us
on
this
journey,
because
they
were
willing
to
partner
with
clark
county
to
try
this
out
as
a
pilot
project,
but
really
out
of
consideration
for
the
volume
that
clark
county
has
to
maintain.
D
I
want
to
this
is
now
a
good
time
for
me
to
say,
there's
been
some
discussion
on
this
bill
about
why
we
need
this
clark.
County
is
real
property
management,
and
I
now
see
my
colleagues
from
clark
county
on
zoom,
hello
to
you.
I
haven't
seen
them
in
a
while.
If
you
see
on
the
right
is
our
director
of
real
property
management,
lisa
kramer,
she
has
a
very
big
job:
the
real
property
management
conducts
the
planning
and
design
and
construction
and
maintenance
for
all
of
clark,
county's
assets.
D
We
that
includes
over
500
buildings,
that's
over
6
million
square
feet,
120
parks,
totaling
about
5,
200
acres
and
as
of
august
2020,
when
we
were
pre-filing
this
bill,
we
she
had
approximately
309
projects
in
her
portfolio
that
totaled
over
501
million
dollars
in
construction
cost.
So
I
make
that
note
to
tell
you
that
when
we
were
talking
to
labor
and
really
in
looking
at
this
delivery
method
over
the
nation
and
looking
at
models,
job
order
contracting
works
best
when
it
is
limited.
D
D
You
can
see
the
job
that
lisa
has,
and
so
when
she
has
501
million
dollars
in
her
portfolio,
we
are
carving
out
25
million
as
an
annual
threshold
and
limit
that
we're
saying
we
can
use
this
pilot
program
for
up
to
25
million
dollars
in
construction
costs
on
an
annual
basis.
It
is
a
small
subset,
and
I
will
say
this
really
clearly
for
the
record.
D
The
intent
is
to
limit
this
use.
It
is
not
meant
to
be
a
panacea
for
local
government.
It
is
not
meant
to
be
a
substitution
for
the
other
delivery
methods
that
we
do.
It
is
meant
to
be
a
tool
that
we
can
use
to
take
some
of
these
jobs
that
we
are.
We
would
like
to
get
done
in
our
community
and
deliver
them
under
this
method.
We
will
continue
to
deliver
the
rest
of
the
book.
I
guess
through
all
of
the
other
project
delivery
methods.
D
D
That
might
be
something
good
to
look
at,
because
you
can
look
at
the
types
of
jobs
and
the
dollar
amount
that
we
could
deliver
under
a
25
million
dollar
annual
threshold
when
we
looked
at
lisa's
book
of
business
and
we
and
we
looked
at
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
really-
and
this
is
you'll
see
on
that
list-
restroom
repair,
some
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
at
our
parks.
These
are
things
that
impact
our
commissioner
districts.
They
are
the
things
if
the
restroom
is
not
working,
it
impacts
the
public.
D
It
is
not
available
for
public
use
right,
and
these
are
the
types
of
jobs
that
we
would
the
types
of
jobs
that
we
are
targeting
for
this
job
order,
contract
delivery
method.
You
will
note
that
most
of
them
are
over
250
000
in
construction
value,
so
that
was
very
clear
from
clark
county
board
of
commissioners
when
we
were
doing
this
too.
D
The
intent
is
for
these
to
be
prevailing
wage
jobs
because
of
the
dollar
value
of
the
work
that-
and
we
know
that
this
will
be
something
we
are
aiming
for
volume
and
we
are
aiming
for
putting
as
many
people
to
work
as
we
can
moving
along
section
six
in
the
mock-up
at
the
bottom
of
page
one.
I
talked
about
prevailing
wage
and
this
is
intended
to
say
that
there
are
certain
things,
because
this
is
a
new
subsection
of
338
that
are
intended
to
apply
these
are.
D
This
was
important
to
in
our
stakeholder
conversations
that
we
wanted
to
we're
writing
this
into
nrs
338.
So
it
is
the
state
law
that
that
we
have
an
apprenticeship
requirement
for
public
works,
so
we
want
to
make
that
clearly
stated
in
this
bill
that
we
will
comply
with
the
apprentice
law
and
then
also
the
electronic
filing
of
copies
of
records
that
you
see
that
338070.
D
Those
are
certified
payroll
reports
that
a
contractor
and
a
subcontractor
must
file
to
on
their
payroll
of
anybody
who
works
on
the
job.
That
was
important
for
our
purchasing
division,
because
we
invest
quite
a
bit
in
public
works
compliance
measures.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
very
clear
that
those
the
electronic
filing
of
those
records
is.
Is
there
the
section?
Seven
is
really
where
we
get
into
the
limits
on
the
bill.
This
is
where
you
see
the
25
million
dollar
threshold.
We
call
that
a
threshold.
D
It
means
the
limit
on
the
annual
amount
that
we
can
we
can
use.
You
will
see
that
there's
a
section
in
here
because
we
are
implem.
It
may
take
us
time
to
implement.
There
is
a
section
that
will
allow
us
to
wrap
around
the
dollar
amount
into
the
next
calendar
year.
We,
but
we
want.
I
want
to
say
effectively
here:
this
is
not
intended
to
mean
that
we're
going
to
hold
everything
to
the
end
of
the
contract
period
and
put
one
big
job
out
again.
That
is
not
the
intent
of
job
order
contracting.
D
We
have
some
sections
in
here.
This
is
section
8
is
very,
is
actually
present
in
other
sections
of
three
nrs338.
Excuse
me
that
just
says
to
qualify
to
bid
on
public
work.
This
is
existing
copied
over
from
other
parts
of
338
section.
9
is
really
what
we
are
going
to
build
into
the
solicitation.
So
we
put
in
some
very
specific
factors
in
here
for
the
solicitation
it
must
we
have
to
be.
We
have
to
put
enough
detail
into
the
solicitation
for
the
contractors
so
that
they
know
what
to
bid
on
right.
D
They
need
to
know
the
types
of
work
that
would
go
out
so,
for
example,
I'll
give
you
an
example.
The
city
of
austin,
in
their
job
order,
contract
program,
says
for
the
scope
of
work
when
they
define
it.
It's
anything
that
could
be
delivered
by
the
city
of
austin,
and
then
they
list
it.
You
know
it
could
include
elevators
electric
it
could
include
paving
projects
park
resurfacing,
each
you
know
hvac
work.
We
have
to
have
enough
specificity
so
that
the
contractors
are
able
to
know
how
to
bid
and
how
to
price
the
job.
D
The
new,
I
guess
I
will
move
on
to
here
section.
I
I
want
to
point
out
section
11
of
this
bill.
That's
really
how
we're
going
to
select
the
contractor.
This
is
this
is
has
an
element
of
qualifications
based
selection,
because
you
need
to
select
a
general
contractor
who
is
able
to
take
on
the
risk
for
the
entire
year,
not
knowing
what
is
going
to
come
up.
D
That
means
we
don't
pick
our
subcontractors
right
at
the
beginning,
like
we
would
in
a
traditional
public
works
bid,
because
you
don't
know
what
is
going
to
be
the
first
job
order
coming
out
of
the
gate.
It
could
be
a
job
at
wetlands
park.
It
could
be
a
job
at
the
clark
county,
detention
center.
Each
job
is
going
to
have
different
requirements
for
the
subcontractors
and
the
for
the
is
going
to
have
different
requirements.
D
We
did
write
in
new
language
in
section
11,
which
you
will
not
see
in
the
reprint
that
the
public
body,
when
we
go
out
with
our
solicitation,
then
we
will
have
a
panel
who
will
who
will
decide
this.
D
D
This
is
a
something
that
has
been
put
into
the
law
in
other
qualifications
based
selections
in
338
for
the
construction
manager
at
risk.
There
is
a
requirement
that
the
people
who
are
on
the
panel
have
construction
experience
as
certainly
how
we
deliver
projects
at
clark
county,
but
this
is
something
I
know
is
not
going
to
just
apply
to
clark
county.
So
we
have
added
this
specific
requirement
that
there
must
be
construction
experience.
D
The
section
12
is
where
I
get
into
subcontracting
so.
D
The
way
that
we've
written
it
is
that
the
and
how
it
works,
really
just
real
lab
person,
is
that
when
a
job
order-
meaning
this
is
the
job
we
want
to
send
you
out
on-
comes
up
the
job
order
contractor
the
general
contractor
will
walk
the
job
with
the
agency,
and
then
they
determine
the
scope
and
the
timing
and
that's
what
makes
job
order
contracting
so
efficient.
D
Otherwise,
we
would
be
putting
out
these
small
these
jobs
through
a
one
by
one
by
one
by
one
by
one
by
one,
and
you
see,
I
have
39
jobs
on
the
on
that
list
of
contracts.
It
is
a
tremendous
it
takes
very
much.
It
takes
time
to
put
these
out
through
procurement,
so
by
putting
them
out
through
the
job
order.
That's
the
alternative.
D
The
general
contractor
walks
the
job,
and
then
they
determine
the
subcontractors
that
they
need
like.
If
it's
an
elephant,
if
it's
an
elevator
job,
they
will
say.
I
need
this
type
of
subcontractor
right,
and
this
is
the
we
put
the
responsibility-
and
it's
properly
put
here-
that
the
general
will
know
what
they
need
and
they
will
go
out
and
then
get
it.
D
D
We
also
have
language
in
here
about
a
contractor
who
enters
into
a
job
contraction
not
perform
specialty
contracting.
I
guess
assemblyman
nelson's,
probably
familiar
with
this,
that
you,
if
you
do
this
type
of
work,
plumbing
electrical
refrigeration,
air
conditioning
these
are
specialty
licenses
in
the
subcontractor
community.
D
Section
13
is
where
I
continue
the
subcontracting.
I
will
point
out
section
13,
subsection
2b
is
where
we've
added
some
additional
strength,
strengthening
language,
also
based
in
opposition,
the
based
on
the
opposition
in
the
senate
about
subcontracting,
because
we
are
going
to
walk
the
job
now,
we're
thinking
about
we're,
walking
the
job
and
we're
deciding
who
the
subcontractors
are,
that
we're
going
to
use
once
we
list
them
and
we
list
them
that
on
the
job
order,
once
you
name
them
to
the
public
agency,
we
don't
want.
D
We
want
that
to
be
protected,
meaning
there
shouldn't
be
a
I'm
going
to
use
contractor
a
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
to
contractor
b
and
try
and
get
a
lower
price.
There
is
and
then
I'm
going
to
substitute
them
out.
There
are
protections
in
338,
subsection,
5.,
338,
141,
subsection
5..
I
apologize
that
we've
ridden
in
here
that
are
already
in
place.
D
It
is
a
policy
of
the
state
that
we
shall
not
have
subcontractor
substitution
unless
there's
certain
factors
are
meant,
and
it's
really,
you
have
to
tell
the
agency
and
then
you
have
to
show
that
why
right
and
it's
usually,
if
they
file
for
bankruptcy,
if
they
don't
have
the
license,
they
become
insolvent.
That
means
once
they're
named
it's
strong
and
that
they,
that
is
a
promise
for
to
have
the
work
right,
and
that
is
important
for
our
subcontracting
community
section
14,
I
will
say,
is
our
reporting.
D
This
was
another
really
key
thing
that
we
negotiated
with
our
stakeholders
and
also
because
this
is
a
pilot.
It's
a
pilot
because
we're
gonna
try
it
out
right,
we're
gonna.
We
might
not
get
it
right,
the
first
time
and
to
when
you're
in
a
pilot,
it's
probably
important
to
collect
data,
and
so
you
know
if
it
works
or
if
it
doesn't
right.
It
was
important
for
our
labor
partners
on
this
bill
that
this
new
process
be
transparent,
because
it
is
new.
We
want
to
see
how
it's
working
once
it
gets
off.
D
Any
public
agency
who
uses
this
will
do
quarterly
reports
to
their
governing
board
of
certain
data,
and
that
includes
we're
going
to
list
every
job
order
that
we
issue.
So
we
know
what
kind
of
work
is
going
out
under
this
delivery
method,
we're
going
to
list
the
cost
of
each
job
order,
the
issues
meaning
that
list
that
is
on
the
that
is
on
the
the
list
on
nellis,
will
probably
tell
you
what
the
cost
is
of
the
overall
job
order,
and
we
are
going
to
list
each
subcontractor
that
is
hired
on
the
job.
D
D
We've
also
added
in
here
new
language,
because
in
response
to
some
feedback
we
received
from
the
meetings
again.
Thank
you
to
everybody
who
met
with
me
before
this
hearing
that
a
request
to
track
the
diversity
of
the
contractors
who
are
getting
this
work,
and
so
we
modeled
this.
This
is
actually
lcb
has
helped
me
with
that
whether
they
are
small
business,
enterprise
or
disadvantaged
business.
D
This
is
something
that
is
in
nrs
today.
The
criteria
that
are
is
used
are
there
several
examples
of
this
nrs,
and
that
was,
you
will
see.
Disadvantaged
business
is
defined
in
on
the
last
page
of
the
mock-up
section,
14
subsection
three.
That
was
actually
as
recommended
to
me
by
lcb,
but
I
think
that's
really.
D
The
intent
behind
this
is
that
we
want
to
know
the
who's
getting
these
jobs
and
if
they
are
small
businesses,
if
they
are
a
disadvantaged
business,
that
is
an
important
factor
also
to
track
and
we've
put
in
here
kind
of
catch
all
language
too,
if
they're,
if
the
city
council
of
las
vegas,
wants
to
track
something
else,
if
our
clark
county
board
of
commissioners
wants
to
track
something
else,
we
want
to
be
give
them
the
authority
to
tell
us
what
they
want
us
to
track.
D
So
you
see
any
other
information
that
the
governing
body
would
want
copies
of
those
quarterly
reports,
then,
will
be
sent
to
the
legislature,
so
you
will
get
this
information
on
an
annual
basis
and
then
to
you
in
the
next
legislative
session
and
then
any
every
year.
After
that,
again
it's
a
four-year
pilot,
and
that
is
because
we
have
a
contract
period
of
two
years
with
an
optional
one-year
extension.
So
that's
really
why
we
chose
four
years.
D
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
information.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
walk
that
walk
that
through
with
you
and
then
in
closing.
I
guess
I
I
would
I
do
want
to
see
if,
if
assistant
county
manager,
randy
tarr
or
director
lisa
kramer
have
anything
else
that
they
would
like
to
add,
but
I
would
like
to
thank
really
all
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this.
Mr
chairman,
I
we've
had
a
stakeholder
group
of
over
30
parties
that
we've
worked
with
in
southern
nevada.
D
I
would
like
to
especially
thank
the
construction
industry
in
southern
nevada
associated
builders
and
contractors,
the
nevada
contractors
association,
the
sheet
metal
and
air
conditioning
contractors
association.
All
of
our
southern
nevada,
labor
partners,
who
took
the
time
to
provide
input
in
this
and
also
to
to
volunteer
to
work
with
clark
county.
We
want
to
put
this
work
out.
D
We
want
to
put
jobs
out,
and
this
is
these
are
important
jobs
for
our
commissioners
and
for
our
districts,
probably
for
you
and
your
constituents
too,
because
these
are
our
public
resources
and
it
seems
not
long.
It
seems
very
long
ago
actually,
but
in
late
january
the
governor
had
asked
local
governments
to
try
and
think
on
how
ways
to
try
and
get
work
out.
D
We
had
already
had
this
bill
pre-filed,
because
chair
kirkpatrick
had
directed
us
to
try
and
work
on
this
and
get
jobs
out,
but
this
will
help
clark
county
and
the
agencies
identified
in
the
pilot
to
do
just
that
to
try
and
get
work
out,
that's
off
of
our
shelf.
So
with
that,
I
I
want
to
hand
it
over
to
director
kramer
or
assistant
county
manager,
randy
tarr,
if
they
have
any
other
comments.
They've
worked
on
this
with
me
and
working
on
director
kramer's
behalf
on
this
bill,
and
they
know
it
very
well.
So,
thank
you.
D
Also,
you
don't
have
to,
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
I
just
just
in
case
I
left
anything
out.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
opportunity
so,
but
they
are
here
for
questions
chair
flores,
so.
A
E
E
For
me
are
the
is
the
idea
that
there's
two
levels
that
the
first
level
is
picking
general
contractors
and,
if
so
like,
what's
that
process
and
who
makes
those
decisions
and
then
is
the
second
level
after
those
are
picked
as
the
jobs
go
out,
then
it
is
the
contract
and
the
price,
because
if,
if
so,
I
have
a
question
on
on
that
as
well.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
chair
flores,
through
you
to
assembly
and
consulting
so,
let's
start
at
the
first
level,
yes,
and
I
think
of
it
as
the
umbrella
contract.
The
first
step
is
the
general
contractor.
We
pick
the
general
contractors,
there
was
no
mechanism
for
us
to
do
this
model
in
nrs
338,
which
is
why
we
had
to
bring
this
bill
the
to
pick
a
general
contractor
and
still
write
in
the
protections
of
338
and
that's
why
we
did
it
the
selection
of
the
general
contractor,
who
picks
them.
That
would
be
through
a
normal
rfp.
D
D
We
will
convene
the
panel
that
I
talked
about
and
the
people
who
sit
on
the
panel,
the
county
county
manager,
randy,
tarr
or
director
kramer-
can
can
probably
give
you
more
information,
but
it's
usually
people
with
the
knowledge
of
the
job
that
they're
they're
going
to
be
selecting.
You
know
we
have
the
construction
experience
and
we
usually
have
experts
who
will
then
rank.
So
we
will
rank
the
proposals
and
then
how
they
we've
talked
to
other
agencies
on
how
they
do
it.
They
might
pick
they
might
pick
on.
D
We
have
it
in
the
bill
that
we
will
set
forth
the
criteria
that
on
how
we
will
select.
We
will
put
that
in
our
rfp
so
that
the
contractor
will
know
how
we
are
going
to
pick
them
and
it
might
be
a
combination
of
price
and
experience
right.
We
will
select
and
rank.
I
guess
is
what
I
would
say,
and
other
agencies
really
do.
D
Maybe
they
might
pick
the
five
lowest
who
come
in
or
anything
that
that
meet
all
of
the
criteria
that
come
in,
because
we
want
to
select
multiple,
if
that
makes
sense,
I'll
stop
there.
If
that
answered
your
question
about
the
first
level
and
then
if
you
have
a
follow-up
question
about
the
second
level.
A
E
Follow
up,
thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
stopping
at
that
first
level.
I
appreciate
that
so
on
this
first
level,
if
there
are
proposals
with
the
cost
and
prices
in
it,
my
question
would
be
just
seeing
over
the
last
year
how
different
prices
for
materials
have
shot
up.
How
do
you
are
they
locked
in
to
what
those
are,
or
is
there
room
for
these
general
contractors
if
they
do
a
proposal
for
something
and
then
later
on,
if
they
get
one
of
these
specific
jobs,
but
the
prices
have
significantly
changed.
What's
the
process
for
that.
D
Chair
flores,
thank
you
for
the
question
through
you
to
assembly
one
confident,
okay,
the
section
seven
is:
is
we've
given
some
parameters
for
the
proposal,
but
we've
given
us
some
flexibility
to
address
something
like
that
to
that
situation,
that
you
are
very
correct.
The
pricing
has
been
volatile.
D
We
know
the
unit
price
book
which
we've
described
is
a
is
supposed
to
be
the
price
book
for
materials
and
for
labor
and
for
locally
locally,
I
guess
reflective
of
the
local
market.
We
know
that
there
are
things
that
might
be
outside
of
the
book.
It
could
be
things
that
on
which
a
price
fluctuates,
or
something
you
know
is
particularly
the
price
of
steel
has
fluctuated
quite
a
bit
and
we've
asked
when
we
talk
to
other
agencies.
How
do
they
address
that?
D
D
E
Thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
that
answer.
So
following
then,
we
you've
picked
the
general
contractors,
there's
that
that
everything
that
you
just
said
about
the
volatile
volatility
and
being
able
to
deal
with
it
now
later
down
the
line,
the
the
jobs
come.
So
is
there
a
different
panel
or
who
picks
for
each
of
those
jobs?
How
is
that
selection
made
for
which
contractor
gets?
Which
of
these
jobs
and
who
makes
that
decision.
D
So
I'll
I
I'm
going
to
start,
but
then
I'll
probably
also
ask
director,
kramer
or
county
manager
tara,
to
weigh
in
on
this
too,
on
as
to
how
we
pick
the
jobs
or
how
we're
going
to
plan
to
distribute.
Because
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot.
We
talked
about
our
vision
for
how
we're
going
to
do
this
program.
D
Let
me
think
about
your
question.
Real
quick.
You
had
asked
me
once
we
select
the
general
contractor,
then
the
jobs
come.
How
does
that
work?
I
know
that
there's
a
different
ways
that
can
that
that
can
happen.
Like
I
said
in
my
opening
remarks,
we
in
talking
to
another
jurisdiction,
they
rotate,
so
they
may
say,
contract
ra,
you
get
this
job
right
and
then
we
could
do.
D
We
could
do
contractor
b,
we'll
get
the
next
one
right
and
we
have
put
into
the
solicitation
also
a
requirement
that
we
would
have
to
tell
the
contractors
the
minimum
amount
of
work
that
they
would
get
on
the
job,
because
it
is
also
important
for
the
contractors
to
know.
Is
this
worth
it
to
them?
You
know
they
know
they
need
to
know
that
they
will
be
guaranteed
a
certain
volume,
how
we
will
select
the
jobs
I
will
see
if
director
kramer
has
some
further
comments
on
that
or
maybe
manager,
tar.
G
E
So,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
answer.
This
is
clarifies
a
lot
for
me,
but
then
going
back
to
when
you're
the
general
contracts
are
picked,
and
you
said
that
there
will
be
a
panel
of
people
who
who
know
this.
These
areas
are
those
county
staff
city
staff
like
who
are
the
who
are
those
people
and
how
are
they
selected.
D
G
Hello
again
lisa
creamer,
with
real
property
management.
I
what
we
intend
to
do
is
we'll
create
a
panel
of
at
least
three
to
four
individuals.
There'll
be
a
member
from
real
property
management
who
is
actively
involved
in
the
construction
industry,
we'll
probably
pull
in
some
management
level.
Individuals
say
from
public
works
or
from
water
reclamation,
which
are
different
divisions
within
clark
county,
we'll
pull
in.
G
We
usually
solicit
participation
from
individuals
from
adjacent
jurisdictions,
whether
it's
the
city
of
las
vegas
or
the
city
of
henderson
or
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
and
on
this
one
specifically,
we
would
like
to
pull
in
someone
from
the
private
sector
as
well
to
at
least
have
you
know
enough
diversity
across
the
the
panel
so
that
it's
fair
and
consistent
and
once
that
list
is
created
the
top,
whether
it's
the
you
know,
five
or
six
contractors
general
contractors,
then,
as
the
projects
become
available,
it
will
be
rpm's
responsibility,
whether
it's
it's
my
decision
or
the
manager
of
designing
construction.
G
E
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
so
upon
speaking
to
many
of
my
constituents,
many
of
them
are
in
the
construction.
Business.
Many
are
losing
their
homes,
their
cars
not
being
able
to
put
food
on
the
table
miss
jacob.
So
with
this
bill,
this
bill
will
create
many
of
those
jobs
that
will
that
these
people
are
losing.
Is
that
correct.
D
Chair
floor
is
through
you
to
assembly
with
martinez.
That
is
our
intent.
Yes,
that's
absolutely
correct.
You
can
see
the
list
right.
We
have
25
million
dollars.
We
looked
at
our
list
and
we
said
what
are
the
jobs
that
we
can
put
out
under
this
under
this?
If
we
have
multiple
general
contractors,
we
can
get
them.
We
could
get
those
jobs
out
quicker.
That
is
the
goal
in
the
intent
with
the
requirement
to
then
in
turn
have
50
of
the
work
subcontracted
out.
The
vision
is
that
we
will
have
work
happening.
D
I
will
also
let
you
know
that
clark
county
is
just
one
entity
right
that
we
have
pilot
project.
The
other
people
in
the
project
are
the
cities
and
the
water
reclamation
district.
So
the
intent
really
of
this
at
the
direction
of
chair
kirkpatrick
was
yes.
We
want
to
create
jobs.
The
direction
to
director
kramer
and
to
me,
when
we
were
doing
this
bill,
is
create
lots
of
jobs
right.
We
and
that's
why
we
are
our
intent
is
to
when
we
looked
at
what
we
could
do
when
we
found
job
order
contracting.
D
It
fits
the
mold
because
they're
small
jobs,
and
they
are
intended
to
turn
over
quickly.
So
then
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
one
and
the
next
one
and
the
next
one.
The
the
goal
would
then
be
continuous
work
because
assemblyman
martinez,
as
you
know,
in
your
district,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
people
in
the
construction
sector,
if
you
have
a
big
job
and
then
it
ends,
it
can
be
very
difficult
until
you
wait
for
the
next
one.
D
E
E
D
Chair
floor
is
through
you
to
assembly
one
martinez.
Yes,
it
is
a
pilot
project
because
it
is
new.
It
is
very
difficult.
As
you
know,
members
of
the
assembly
government
affairs,
local
governments
are
all
different
right
and
the
state
is
different.
Statewide
bills
can
be
difficult.
We
chose
to
pilot
in
southern
nevada
because
we
have
the
support
from
the
labor
industry,
the
labor
and
industry
and
the
agencies,
and
this
kind
of
delivery
method,
and
it
requires
on
that
support
and
participation.
D
Through
you
chair
floor
is
to
assembly
one
martinez.
Yes,
it
is
only
in
clark
county
and
I
will
point
it
out
to
you
in
the
bill.
In
section
one
subsection
two
says
it
establishes
the
pilot
program.
We
section
five.
We
have
defined
a
public
body
for
purposes
of
the
bill
and
that's
our
limit
clark,
county
city
of
henderson
city
of
las
vegas
city
of
north
las
vegas,
clark,
county
water
reclamation
district.
So
that
is
the
intent
only
of
those
agencies
only
for
four
years
and
then
it
sunsets
unless
further
action
is
taken.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
have
a
few
questions
so,
but
I'll
try
to
make
them
as
quick
as
possible.
I
realize
that
this
is
a
pilot
program.
However,
sometimes
with
pilot
programs
there,
the
training
is
not
always
necessary,
so
I
I
am
going
to
be
referring
to
one
of
the
documents
that
was
put
into
nellis
as
an
example.
L
It
is
the
it
was
the
audit
report
from
long
beach
city
auditor
of
which
from
may
25th
2016,
which
I
believe
in
one
of
your
answers
you
had
referred
to
long
beach,
so
I
thought
perfect
on
page
25
of
this
report,
they
spoke
of
the
project
managers
and
how
many
of
these
as
needed
contracts,
have
actually
become
consultant
services,
consultants,
etc.
L
D
Chair
floors
through
you
to
assembly,
one
anderson,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
appreciate
it.
I
did
not
see
that
that
was
filed
in
nellis.
However,
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
audit
report,
I
will
tell
you
a
great
amount
of
research
has
gone
into
this
bill,
a
lot
of
what
we
modeled
the
language
that
we
put
in,
how
we
decided
to
approach.
This
bill
was
modeled
after
long
beach's,
municipal
code
after
that
audit,
because
they
put
very
specific
sections
into
place
about,
for
example,
a
percent
that
needed
to
be
subcontracted
out.
D
For
example,
it
needs
to
be
limited.
Those
are
things
that
were
audit
findings
and
we
after
finding
that
report.
That
is
why
we
called
the
city
of
long
beach
and
talked
to
them
about
their
experience.
D
Your
question
about
project
management,
I
may
deter,
I
mean
defer
to
director
kramer.
I
will
tell
you
that,
and
perhaps
director
kramer,
you
could
talk
about
what
we
already
do
in
using
third
party
estimators
to
keep
an
eye
on
costs
and
the
work
that
you
already
do
to
ensure
that
level
of
oversight
that
we
have
already
within
clark.
D
G
Hello
again,
lisa
creamer,
with
real
property
management
clark
county,
miss
jacobs,
is
correct.
Currently
we
have
a
staff
of
design
and
construction,
administrators
and
construction
project
coordinators
who
manage
projects
that
are
currently
in
our
queue.
G
How
we
foresee
this
program
working
since
we
anticipate
having
five
contractors
general
contractors
to
receive
up
to
you,
know
five
million
dollars
each
annually
is
we
will
most
likely
put
a
team
together
of
of
various
design
and
construction
administrators
as
well
as
construction
project
coordinators,
who
will
directly
oversee
these
projects,
and
we
will.
G
We
are
prepared
to
put
the
reporting
in
place
so
that
at
a
management
level
and
at
my
level
we
will
be
overseeing
these
projects
to
ensure
that
we
are
conforming
with
requirements
that
are
set
forth
and
we
are
as
far
as
costs
are
concerned.
G
We
do
have
various
consultants
currently
that
we
consult
with
as
third
party
estimators.
We
have
an
estimator
in-house
that
helps
us
create
estimates,
but
we
send
some
of
that
work.
A
lot
of
that
work
out
to
a
third
party
estimator
as
well
just
to
confirm
what
our
assumptions
are,
and
so
we
have
that
consultant
base
I'm
intact
right
now,
as
well
as
schedulers
construction
schedulers.
G
But
with
the
reporting
measures
in
place
that
miss
jacobs
has
outlined
in
her
bill,
we
will
be
providing
those
updates
and,
looking
at
at
this
program
very
you
know
very
heavily
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
what
is
necessary
and
we're
adjusting
where
we
have
to.
L
It
did
thank
you
both
of
you.
May
I
have
a
separate
question,
mr
chair.
A
L
Thank
you
again
on
the
same
report,
but
then
also
looking
through
a
few
other
documents
and
everything
there.
It
had
to
do
with
the
feeling
that
the
pricing
seemed
to
go
up
afterwards,
that
it
was
not
always
what
the
price
was
it
just
was.
That
was
very
concerning
to
me,
and
unfortunately
I
thought
I
had
marked
it,
but
now
I
can
oh
nope
hello,
it's
on
page
one.
L
You
would
have
thought
I
would
have
looked
on
that
place
too
much
emphasis,
it's
on
page
one
of
this
document
as
well,
but
it
felt
like
an
other
analysis.
Also
of
this
sort
of
thing.
Too
much
emphasis
is
placed
on
completing
projects
quickly.
Instead
of
ensuring
projects
are
properly
defined
and
competitively
priced.
D
Sheriff
laura
is
through
you
to
assemblywomen
anderson.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
want
to
point
out
a
few
things
in
the
bill
that
are
intended
to
get
at
the
problem
and
the
challenge
that
that
you
found
in
that
audit
report.
Again,
I
will
tell
you,
I
have
personally
spoken
to
long
beach
and
the
team
that
implemented
that
after
the
after
the
audit-
and
I
will
tell
you
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
put
in
was
the
requirement
that
a
job
order
must
clearly
state
the
construction
task.
D
D
What
I've
learned
in
talking
to
that
team
is
that
there
might
be
values
that
include
like
some
kind
of
element
of
risk,
and
that
is
something
that
they
had
recommended
to
us,
that
we
we
make
sure
that
that
is
very
clear
in
the
rfp
that
that
the
adjustment
factor
is
what
it
is,
and
it
cannot
be
double
dipped
in
that
case,
which
can
lead
to
a
price
overruns.
D
D
I
will
also
tell
you
that
long
beach
is
still
using
this
process
that
they,
after
that
audit,
they
did
a
rec
rewrite
of
their
municipal
code.
I
have
it
sitting
on
my
desk
in
clark
county
and
because
I
looked
at
it
and
did
my
homework
when
we
were
doing
this
bill,
I
we've
modeled
it
and
we've
created
a
relationship
with
them
that
we
hope
to
continue
going
forward
because
we
because
they
know
that
we're
pursuing
this
bill
and
they
were
very
forthcoming
about
things,
suggestions
that
they
have
for
us.
D
Should
this
bill
pass
on
how
to
put
our
program
together
to
avoid
some
of
the
things
that
they
had
in
in
the
past.
So
I
I
know
that
that
document
is
out
there.
We
reviewed
it
and
we
and
when
I
talked
about
best
practices
in
my
introductory
remarks.
This
is
exactly
my
point.
This
is
not
a
new
model.
This
is
not
something
that
we
need
to
recreate.
We
can
learn
from
other
agency
experiences
and
we
can
refine
and
retune
and
make
sure
that
it's
a
good
fit
for
clark
county.
L
Thank
you
and,
and
if
you
could
send
us
that
code
I
think
that'd
be
great
to
have
so
that
way
we
can
do
a
comparison
of
the
two
documents.
But
if
I
may
ask
a
last
question
mr
chair,
please,
my
last
question
is
actually
what
prompted
a
little
bit
from
what
you
just
brought
up,
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
section
of
your
of
the
of
the
amended
language
of
the
reporting,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
there
will
be
that
evaluation.
L
Will
that
evaluation
at
some
point
be
an
external
audit
or
will
it
continue
to
be
an
independent
or
I'm
sorry,
internal
audit
of
the
reporting?
Because,
although
yes,
it's
a
pilot
program,
there
was
a
mention
or
a
reference
to
possibly
extend
that.
So
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
that's
internal
versus
external
audit
would
be
evaluated
in
some
fashion.
D
Chair
flores
through
you
to
assembly,
one
anderson
I
have
to
I
have
to
say:
I've
only
worked
for
clark
county
for
a
little
over
a
year
now,
so
I
do
not
know
everything
about
clark
county.
So
I'm
going
to
defer
to
manage
our
tar
or
perhaps
director
kramer
on
our
audit
procedures.
We
do
have
a
division
of
internal
audit
at
in
clark
county.
Perhaps
they
can
give
you
an
idea
about
what
we
would
do
to
on
this
or
our
existing
practices.
Thank
you.
J
J
It's
a
division
of
within
clark,
county
of
auditors,
that
report
to
the
county
manager
and
we
audit,
through
our
departments
continuously.
So
so
in
this
we
could
do
either.
We
could
do
it
as
an
internal
audit
with
a
document
or
we
could
go
to
a
third
party
and
and
use
a
third-party
firm
to
audit
the
the
end
of
the
pilot
program
and
report
on
findings.
We
we
have
not
either
works
for
us.
L
A
Excuse
me
and
thank
you
assemblywoman
next,
we'll
go
to
assemblywoman
thomas.
Please.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
miss
jacob
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
the
presentation
I
just
have.
I
guess
it's
a
basic
question
in
reading
section,
one.
H
What
jumps
out
at
me
section
one
sub
a
it,
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
state
to
ensure
that
contracting
and
vetting
procedures
for
public
works
in
this
state
are
efficient
and
cost
effective,
and
then
we
jump
to
b.
H
Where
we
are.
You
know
this
bill
is
indicating
that
existing
law
may
create
barriers
to
the
efficient
and
cost-effective
awarding
of
contracts,
and
then
we
go
to
see
reducing
any
such
barriers
will
benefit
the
public,
but,
just
like
you
were
saying
that
it's
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
creating
this
and
getting
this
bill
forward.
H
D
Chair
flores,
thank
you
through
you
to
assemblyman
thomas.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Section.
One
is
a
legislative
declaration
that
came
out
of
the
reprint.
That
was
actually
something
that
came
from
the
legislative
council
bureau.
I
will
tell
you,
I
think
it's
because
we
are
making
those
findings
because
we're
doing
a
pilot
project.
D
I
think
section
1a
is
consistent
with
what
I've
said
when
I
said
that
this
is
a
pilot
project
and
we
have
on
intentionally
limited
it
to
25
million,
which
is
a
subset
of
what
we
do.
That
means
the
majority
of
the
of
what
we
also
do
will
go
out
through
these
other
methods
that
to
which
you've
referred.
D
We,
I
guess
I
would
to
address
your
question
about
if
I'm
weakening
the
protections
in
338
or
being
less
transparent
than
what
is
there
right
now,
I
would
submit
to
you
that
I
do
not
believe
that
we're
weakening
the
protections
of
338
we
on
by
design
and
purpose
wrote
this
process
into
nrs
338
for
a
reason,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
public
works
laws
and
that
we
were
in
the
public
works
laws
and
that
we
complied
with
other
sections
of
the
public
works
laws
such
as
the
apprenticeship
programs
in
the
sections
of
338,
such
as
the
requirement
to
pay
prevailing
wage,
such
as
the
requirement
to
do
the
reporting
for
payroll,
that
is
in
every
single
public
work
project.
D
The
the
point
about
transparency,
I
would
argue,
is
we
will
be
more
transparent
because
of
the
frequency
of
the
reporting.
The
reporting
that
you
have
in
this
section
is
not
something
that
is
done
on
all
public
works
bills
and
with
the
frequency
that
I've
suggested
the
frequency
and
listing
every
single
job
that
we're
putting
out
on
a
quarterly
basis
is
going
to
give
you
as
a
member
of
the
public
as
a
the
labor
industry
as
key
stakeholders.
The
contracting
industry,
key
stakeholders,
everybody
who
wants
to
see
who's.
D
Getting
this
work
and
what
we're
putting
out
and
the
dollar
amount
that
we
are
spending.
That
will
be
publicly
available
information
that
is
filed
with
our
with
our
clark
county
commission,
and
you
will
be
able
to
pull
that
report
and
you,
like
director
kramer,
said
we'll,
be
able
to
adjust
real
time
so
that
we
can
know
whether
we
are
making
efficient
use
of
the
public
resources.
D
I'd
also
submit
that
when
we
talk
about
public
resources-
and
perhaps
this
is
just
my
feeling-
working
for
clark,
county
and
knowing
the
volume
of
buildings
that
we
have
to
maintain
when
we
have
a
public
resource
like
a
tennis
court,
that
is
broken
where
lights
are
out
or
the
bathroom
is
shuttered
and
cannot
be
used
by
the
public
and
because-
and
we
are
not
able
to
get
jobs
out
as
quickly
as
maybe
the
public
would
like.
That.
I
don't
think
is
a
good
use
of
the
public
resource.
D
D
I
because
it
is
limited-
and
we
do.
I
guess
director
karimer-
can
speak
to
this,
but
I
will
tell
you
the
volume
that
we
do.
We
will
put
out
other
lots
of
other
work
under
other
existing
methods
of
338,
and
so
it
is
not
clark,
county's
intent
to
weaken
the
protections
of
338.
In
fact,
our
intent
was
to
write
us
into
338
so
that
we
would
be
in
that
chapter,
and
it
is
not
my
intent
and
I
don't
believe
that
that
it
is
not
my
intent
to
be
less
transparent.
D
A
Yes
and
members,
we
are
running
a
little
bit
short
on
time.
So
please,
no,
please,
please
do
ask
your
question
assemblywoman,
but
I
just
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
in
the
queue
we
have
next
assemblywoman
brown
may
followed
by
assemblywoman
duran,
assemblyman,
matthews,
assemblywoman,
dickman
and
assemblyman
ellison,
and
then
we'll
close
it
out.
So
please
thank.
H
H
You
know
you're,
saying
that
we
can
get
jobs
done
faster
quicker,
but
having
safeguards
in
there
will
ensure
that
these
projects
are
protected.
The
public
interest
is
protected,
so
you
know
I
appreciate
your
explanation,
but
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
those
protections
in
place.
D
Sheriff
flores
through
you
to
assemblyman
thomas
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
you
about
what
protections
you
feel
are
missing,
and
I
can
certainly
do
that
after
the
meeting.
I
think
the
protections
that
and
again
the
legislative
declaration
is
not
something
that
we
submitted
in
our
draft
in
the
senate.
If
you
are
uncomfortable
with
that
language,
that
is
something
that
we
I
would
submit,
and
maybe
I'll
defer
to
lcb
about
whether
that
can
be
deleted.
D
Those
are
things
that
the
barriers
that
were
that
we
talked
about
with
our
labor
stakeholders
were
just
a
matter
of
the
volume
that
we
have
to
maintain.
The
fact
that
we
have
director
kramer,
our
staff
are
only
human,
they
have
a
have
a
volume
that
must
be
done,
and
so
we
are
saying
we
are
not
going
to
use
this
process
for
everything
that
we
must
do,
but
for
a
small
subset.
D
That
does
not
mean
that
we
are
going
to
abandon
any
other
way,
that
we
do
work
and
with
the
protections
that
you
discuss
also
I've
written
in
protections
key
protections
in
338
into
this
bill
to
make
sure
that
we
are
subject
to
those
as
well.
So,
of
course,
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
you
after
the
hearing.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
any
additional
protections.
F
Thank
you,
chair
flores.
Thank
you
joanna
miss
jacob.
I
apologize
so
first,
it's
important
that
I
get
on
the
record
and
openly
disclose
that
my
private
employer
contracts
with
clark
county,
however,
for
services,
and
so
I
want
to
be
really
clear
relative
to
this
bill
in
particular.
This
is
about
construction,
one-time
only
jobs
is
that
correct.
D
F
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
follow-up
and
the
clarification
to
ensure
there
is
no
conflict
relative
to
this
bill.
I
just
have
one
very
important
question
and
I
notice
there's
a
conflict
identified
in
one
of
the
pieces.
That's
up
on
nellis
relative
to
the
authority
of
the
labor
commissioner
to
be
able
to
ensure
fairness.
F
D
Chair
flores
through
you
to
assemblywoman
brownway,
I
unfortunately
have
not
seen
that
I
apologize.
I
had
two
bills
to
prepare
for
today,
so
I
was
trying
it's.
I
did
not
see
that
uploaded
to
nellis
and
I'm
happy
to
review
it
after.
I
will
also
tell
you
that
the
concerns
about
the
labor
commissioner's
authority
have
not
been
brought
to
me
by
any
stakeholders,
and
so
this
is
a
surprise,
and
I,
of
course
will
review
that
document
and
follow
up
with
whomever
filed
that
after
the
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
that
for
directing
that
to
my
attention.
D
Through
you,
chair,
flores,
to
assemblyman
duran,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
will
tell
you
the
backlog
existed.
Pre-Pandemic,
I
don't
know.
If
director
kramer
will
not
her
head,
I
don't
know
how
much
percentage
may
be
attributed
to
the
pandemic
if
she
would
attribute
any
of
the
backlog
to
the
pandemic.
This
again,
I
will
tell
you
these
are
duties
for
that
clark.
County
has
and
had
during
the
pandemic,
and
will
continue
to
have
to
maintain
our
public
buildings
and
our
parks
and
grounds.
D
I
don't
know
if
she
might
want
to
follow
up
the
definition
of
minor
construction.
The
we
included
that
term
because
it
is
included
in
other
job
order
contracting.
The
intent
behind
minor
construction
is
to
draw
a
distinction
between
minor
and
new
new
means,
we're
going
to
put
shovels
in
the
ground
and
we're
going
to
build
foundation
up
we're
going
to
build
a
new
building.
We're
going
to
do
our
ground
breakings.
Those
kinds
of
things
minor
construction
means
that
we
may
have
to
like
take
down
a
wall.
D
For
example,
that
is
construction,
but
when
we're
doing
repair
of
a
public
bathroom
or
something
like
that,
we
may
have
elements
of
construction,
but
they
are
minor,
meaning
that
they
are
lower
in
val
in
dollar
construction
value-
I
guess,
is
that's
the
intent
behind
the
use
of
that
term.
I'll
defer
to
director
kramer
if
she
has
anything
else
to
add.
G
I
don't
have
anything
else
to
add
at
this
time
again:
lisa
creamer
real
property
management.
So
if
you
have
any
further
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to.
K
C
Thank
you,
chair
and,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
so
would
you
say,
has
clark
county
sort
of
fully
utilized
all
the
other
available
contracting
methods
without
without
success.
Would
you
say
that's
the
reason
that
that
this
is
needed?
Thank
you.
D
Chair
flores,
throw
you
to
assemblyman
matthews,
we
do
use
all
other
contracting
methods,
I
would
say
it's
not.
I
wouldn't
say
it's
without
success.
I
would
say
with
success.
We
use
all
other
contracting
methods
that
are
available
to
us
and
really
the
intent
behind
this
bill
is
to
take
jobs
that
are
on
the
shelf
because
of
the
volume
that
we
have
to
maintain
and
take
them
off
the
shelf
and
put
them
out
under
this
pilot
project.
D
G
Lisa
creamer
real
property
management,
miss
jacobs,
is
correct.
We
utilize
all
the
other
delivery
methods,
most
of
which
is
the
design
bid
build
and
with
the
volume
of
work
that
is
going
through
our
department.
Just
over
the
last
few
months.
We've
we've
put,
you
know
up
to
50
projects
out
to
bid,
and
so
that's
why
a
lot
of
the
work
is
getting
stacked
up
just
because
of
the
staffing
volumes
to
be
able
to
process
the
work.
G
G
At
this
point,
we
have
probably
a
hundred
projects
that
we're
working
on
right
now
and
then,
with
the
capital
allocations
coming
out
for
more
maintenance
related
work,
just
with
our
sheer
volume
or
sheer
asset
inventory,
not
that
the
county
has
the
money
to
fund
it,
but
we
really
should
be
putting
90
million
dollars
of
work
back
into
our
facilities
just
to
maintain
them,
and
so
it's
it's
we're
always
behind.
G
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
keep
the
facilities
open.
So
with
this
delivery
method,
it
just
gives
us
another
tool
to
utilize
to
get
the
work
out
on
the
street
and
get
it
completed
so
that
we
we
can
move
on
to
additional
work.
J
Thank
you
one
additional
question,
mr
chairman:.
C
D
Correctly,
chair
flores
through
you
to
assemblyman
matthews,
the
dollar
limit
is
intended
to
be
a
dollar
limit
and
it
is
not
anybody
who
does
job
order.
Contracting
knows
it's
not
supposed
to
be
for
125
million
dollar
job.
That
is
something.
If
we
had
a
25
million
dollar
job,
we
would
probably
put
out
through
a
different
delivery
method.
D
The
goal
is,
then:
we
would
put
out
multiple
job
orders
up
to
25
million
dollars,
and
so
that's
what
I
tried
to
demonstrate
by
putting
the
list
out
onto
nellis
is
saying:
how
could
we
add
up
to
25
million
dollars?
That's
the
goal!
That's
when
you
look
at
how
it's
been
used
in
other
states
how
it
was
originally
designed
by
the
army
corps
of
engineer.
It
was
meant
for
smaller
jobs
that
you're
turning
over
frequently
not
for
new
construction
in
a
25
million
dollar
amount.
C
L
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
miss
jacobs.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
clarified
this
would
just
be
in
clark
county.
E
D
Chair
flores
through
you
to
assemblyman
tickman.
Yes,
that
was
actually
something
that
we
specifically
asked
to
long
beach,
because
when
we
were
doing
our
stakeholder
meetings,
there
was
some
concern
in
northern
nevada
that
this
was
a
delivery
method
that
tended
towards
out-of-state
firms
that
came
in
and
took
work
away
from
local
contractors.
So
I
specifically
asked
the
city
of
long
beach.
If
that's
what
they
had
found
to
be
true,
the
truth
of
the
matter
they
said
is
that
these
tend
to
be
local
jobs.
D
D
This
is
another
protection,
as
assemblywoman
thomas
alluded
to
on
public
works,
the
local
bidders
preference
is
a
public
works
provision,
and
we
have
put
this
in
again
another
338
protection
to
ensure
that
if
a
local
contractor
can
qualify
for
the
bidder's
preference
that
they
can
use
it
in
the
selection.
So
if
you
got
into
a
situation
where
an
out
of
state
person
was
bidding
against
a
local
contractor,
they
would
get
a
five
percent
preference
in
that
selection
process,
which
can
operate
to
help
local
businesses.
C
C
Chair
and
I
know
we're
really
running
out
of
time-
and
I
know
that
we've
got
to
go
over
stuff
before
we
hit
the
floor,
but
I've
got
a
you
know.
You
guys
talked
about.
Some
of
my
colleagues
talked
about
using
the
flat
rate
suggested
by
long
beach,
but
is
that
going
to
be
on
a
percentage
or
under
contract
base?
How
they're
going
to
pay
for
this?
C
Are
you
just
going
to?
Are
they
going
to
give
you
an
estimate
and
then
come
back
in
and
and
do
these
projects
or
how
you're
going
to
do
this
and
how
you're
going
to
handle
this
money?
That's
number
one
and
then
I've
I've
got
to
follow
up
afterwards,
and
is
this
going
to
be
a
union
and
non-union
shops.
D
Chair
floor
is
through
you
to
assemblyman
ellison
assemblyman
ellison.
I
appreciate
that
question,
especially
knowing
that
you
have
a
background
in
contracting,
and
so
I
think
what
you're
asking
me,
sir,
and
you,
certainly
if
I
don't
get
it
please
do
follow
up,
is
how
are
we
going
to
determine
how
the
work
is
priced
once
they
walk
the
job
and
they
submit
the
job
order.
The
how
this
works
is
when,
if
lisa,
if
director
kramer
says,
go
out,
I
would
need
you
to
go.
Look
at
this
clark
county
detention
center.
D
We
have
to
replace
something
at
clark,
county
detention
center.
They
would
go
out
and
scope
it,
and
then
they
come
back
to
the
agency
and
submit
their
estimate
just
like
you
would
do
in
contracting
and
then
that's
usually
reviewed
by
a
third
party
estimator
and
the
pricing
then
is
agreed
to,
but
it's
determined
by
the
unit
price
book.
So
it's
saying
we
have
a
unit
price
for
the
material
and
the
labor,
that's
determined
by
this
that
we've
agreed
to
at
the
beginning.
D
D
So
that's
how
I
think
that's
how
you
were
asking
me
how
how
pricing
would
be
determined
your
point
about
union
versus
non-union.
I
will
say
we
do
not
make
that
distinction
in
clark
county.
There
is
a
requirement
if
it's
above
a
certain
dollar
amount,
that
you
must
pay
prevailing
wage,
but
of
course
that
is
something
that
all
contractors
can
agree
to
and
that's.
I
believe
that
that's
the
answer
director
kramer
can
correct
me.
If
I'm
if
I
stated
that
inaccurately
thank
you.
D
Chair
flores
through
you
to
assemblyman
ellison,
I
think
what
director
kramer
said
is
that
we
have
a
third
party
estimator.
I
don't
know.
I
think
we
would
be
obviously
working
on
that
with
when
we
talked
to
the
city.
Who
does
this
program?
They,
the
project
manager,
works
with
the
contractor,
it's
very
relationship
based
right,
and
so
that's
really
something
that
they
work
out
together.
Internally,
I
don't
know
if
everything
will
go
to
the
third
party
estimator,
that's
something
that
I'm
checking
with
director
kramer.
C
Because
I
think
that
could
that
could
weigh
a
lot
on
this
thing,
because
here
you've
got
you've,
got
somebody.
That's
going
to
be
working
with
these
contractors
number
one,
and
so
I'm
really
worried
about
I've.
Seen
a
lot
of
bid
houses
before
that
that
become
real,
close
to
different
contractors.
C
That's
ones
that'll
always
get
the
projects,
and
so
I
know
you're
going
to
go
through
a
bidding
process,
but
still
my
fears
out
there
when,
when
these
happen-
and
then,
if
you
got
a
third
party
administrator
handling
these
projects,
that
even
makes
it
worse.
So
if
you
can
get
them
answers
and
get
back
to
me,
offline
or
whatever,
because
I
know
we're
running
out
of
time
and
there's
a
lot
of
questions
out
there.
But
I
I'd
really
like
to
know
that,
and
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
D
Share
flowers
absolutely
follow
up
offline.
I
can
certainly
do
that
with
assemblyman
elsin
chair
floors.
I
would
just
like
to
say
something
about
the
labor
commissioner,
if
I
could.
I
know
we're
short
on
time,
but
I
do
not
want
to
leave
that
this
unanswered
clark,
county
purchasing,
works
very
closely
with
the
labor
commissioner,
and
we
talked
about
this.
That's
why
we've
written
in
the
certified
electronic
reporting
so
that
there
is
labor
commissioner
oversight
of
who's
working
on
this
job
and
how
these
people
are
being
paid.
I
don't
know
what
that
concern
is.
D
I
certainly
will
review
it,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
we
work
very
closely
with
the
labor
commissioner
and
certainly
intend
to
do
so
as
we
administer.
This
program
is
not
intended
to
subvert
the
authority
of
the
labor
commissioner
at
all,
so
I
wanted
to
make
that
very
clear
for
the
record.
So
thank
you,
chair
flores,
for
your
indulgence.
A
And
thank
you
and
members.
What
we'll
do
is
because
we
are
short
on
time,
and
I
recognize
that
many
of
you
still
have
various
questions
we'll
send
emails
out
to
ms
jacobs
and
then
the
responses
and
the
question
will
then
be
shared
with
the
whole
committee,
so
that
all
of
you
can
can
participate
in
that
dialogue
that
will
continue
offline,
miss
jacobs.
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
move
into
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
senate
bill
67,
we'll
start
off
with
those
who
are
here
in
the
room.
A
E
Building
trades,
and
I
think
I
will
be
act
very
brief.
You
know
much
of
the
questions.
Much
of
the
testimony
covered
all
the
issues
that
we
had
about
this
new
program
and
I
think
the
very
reason
it
is
a
pilot
program,
and
that
is
limited
to
very
complex
and
governments
that
can
handle
this
kind
of
thing
is
exactly
the
reason
why
we
want
it
to
be
that
way,
because
this
is
a
very
sophisticated.
E
Thing
is
to
get
those
jobs
out
and
get
our
folks
working
and
then
because
of
that,
we're
supportive
and
we
will
work
with
all
of
you
to
make
sure
that
it
it
is
taken
care
of,
and
you
know,
handled
correctly,
to
make
sure
that
it
is
done
appropriately.
And
so
thank
you
to
clark
county
for
all
of
their
work,
joanna
jacobs
spent
hours
and
hours
to
make
sure
that
she
heard
our
concerns
and
they've
been
addressing
the
bill
in
the
conceptual
amendment.
So
thank
you.
E
I
would
just
echo
the
comments
of
support
and
say
that
we
appreciate
clark
county
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
also
the
millions
of
emails
that
I've
received
as
one
of
the
stakeholders
in
the
different
iterations
of
this
bill.
I
think
that
she
has
done
a
really
great
job
of
listening
to
the
opponents
and
the
other
stakeholders
to
get
this
bill
right.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
it's
666
again
warren
hardy
w-a-r-r-e-n
last
name
hardy
h-a-r-d-y
speaking
today
in
support
of
this
pilot
program.
J
I
would
echo
the
comments
of
those
who
expressed
appreciation
to
ms
jacobs
for
tireless
efforts
on
this.
I
will
tell
you,
mr
chair,
that,
in
my
in
my
career,
I've
been
involved
with
the
implementation
of
pretty
much
every
alternative
delivery
method
that
we
have,
that
we
have
utilized
in
nevada
from
cmr
to
design
build,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
in
my
mind,
we
took
a
run
at
this
job
order,
contracting
idea
in
the
in
the
early
2000s
or
the
late
1990s.
J
A
Mr
hardy,
as
always
when
we
hear
666,
we
recognize
that
we
thought
it
was
the
devil.
But
it's
far
far
worse
and
thank
you
for
calling
in
so
we'll
go
to
the
next
caller
in
support
of
senate
bill
67.
J
K
J
Caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
216,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
may
begin
thank
you
chair
and
committee
members.
This
is
brian
reader,
that's
b-r-I-a-n-r-e-e-d-e-r,
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
contractors,
association
representing
general
and
subcontract
businesses
affiliated
with
the
commercial
construction
industry
throughout
southern
nevada.
We
just
want
to
urge
your
support
on
57.
A
lot
of
good
work
has
gone
up
this
bill
to
get
to
the
point
where
it
is
today.
J
We
want
to
thank
the
county
chair
for
patrick
and
everyone
involved
and
again
urge
your
support.
Thank
you.
J
K
J
J
Good
morning,
chair
flores
vice
chair
torres
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
david
cherry,
spelled
d-a-v-I-d
c-h-e-r-r-y
and
I'm
government
affairs
manager
for
the
city
of
henderson.
For
the
sake
of
brevity,
I
too
will
echo
the
support
of
my
colleagues
from
clark
county
and
the
other
local
governments
for
this
bill's
mechanism
to
allow
the
use
of
job
order
contracting
within
the
specific
specifications
set.
E
E
We
testified
in
neutral
on
the
senate
side
as
it
was
limited
to
clark
county,
but
at
that
hearing
one
of
the
committee
members
expressed
sorry,
I
can't
read
my
writing.
It
expressed
an
eagerness
for
the
program
to
be
rolled
out
across
the
state.
This
is
the
proverbial
camel's
nose
under
the
tent.
Well,
we
truly
appreciate
miss
jacob's
willingness
to
work
with
us
and
limiting
the
scope
to
southern
nevada.
We
feel
it
is
necessary
to
pose
at
this
point,
as
we
believe
this
procurement
method
simply
to
be
bad
policy.
E
Agc
has
opposed
efforts
to
include
job
order
contracting
as
a
delivery
method
in
the
past,
as
we
have
seen
in
cities
who
have
adopted
this
procurement
method,
it
is
right
for
fraud
and
costing
the
taxpayer
more.
An
audit
conducted
in
long
beach
over
17
month
period
found
that
it
cost
the
taxpayers
an
estimated
1.9
million
more
due
to
change,
orders,
big
project
requirements
and
poor
management.
E
An
audit
of
new
york
city's
department
of
education
found
that,
due
to
lack
of
oversight,
the
department
overpaid
their
third
party
administrator,
the
guardian
group
by
over
sixty
three
thousand
dollars
in
construction
management
fees.
In
the
case
of
long
beach,
this
audit
was
conducted
13
years
after
the
job
order.
Contracting
had
been
added
as
a
procurement
method.
It
is
obvious
that
it
takes
years
for
this
process
to
mature.
Additionally,
the
long
beach
audit
recommended
no
project
over
500
000
be
considered
for
awarded
this
system.
E
E
In
fact,
in
the
documents
presented
in
support
of
nelson,
the
senate
hearing
north
las
vegas
identified
the
remodel
of
old
city
hall
at
a
cost
of
9
million
dollars
in
the
expansion
of
the
justice
court
facility
or
for
over
7
million
as
good
candidates.
We
would
hardly
consider
these
projects
minor
construction
or
maintenance,
as
drafted
and
as
presented
today.
This
bill
does
not
guard
against
any
of
the
issues
found
in
long
beach
in
new
york
city.
E
In
order
for
the
agencies
eligible
under
sb
67,
to
use
job
order
contracting
to
adequately
protect
their
resources
and
use
this
method
responsibly,
they
would
need
to
go
through
a
lengthy
process
to
develop
regulations
and
safeguards
by
the
time
those
are
developed.
Much
of
the
four
years
given
in
this
legislation
would
be
gone.
This
bill
was
heard
on
the
heard
on
the
first
committee
passage
deadline
deadline
day
in
the
senate
as
being
heard
here
with
very
little
time
to
truly
flesh
it
out.
We
respectfully
ask
that
this
bill
not
be
processed.
E
A
And
thank
you
for
joining
us.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
questions
for
you,
we'll
continue
with
opposition
to
senate
bill
67..
We
don't
have
anybody
else
in
the
committee
room.
So
at
this
time
we'll
go
to
the
phone
line
broadcast.
Please.
J
J
M
Yeah,
my
name
is
skip
daily
d-a-l-y
representing
the
labor
union,
local
169
and
mr
chair
and
members.
I
have
to
admit
that
I
made
a
mistake
when
I
ever
thought
that
this
proposal
would
be
limited
to
southern
nevada
for
any
long
period
of
time.
In
fact,
myself
and
most
of
the
construction
industry
have
been
opposed
to
any
type
of
unit
price
contracting.
M
In
fact,
once
it
was
in
front
of
this
very
committee
with
the
chairwoman
who's
now
a
county
commissioner,
having
killed
having
killed
the
proposal,
so
it
is
clear
that
it
will
not
stay
in
clark
county
based
on
the
testimony
in
the
senate
that
we
heard
I'm
sure
there
will
be
another
public
body
that
will
come
and
come
to
the
legislature
and
pull
on
your
code
say
mom
dad
you
know,
another
agency
or
johnny
across
the
street
got
a
playstation
5
where
they
have
a
new
toy
to
live
with.
M
So
I
want
one
too,
so
I
just
you
know,
don't
think
that
that's
something
that
everything
will
happen.
We've
always
been
opposed
to
job
order,
contracting
or
any
type
of
unit
pricing.
We
just
don't
think
it's
efficient
and
needed
and
then,
as
I
alluded
to
earlier
by
assemblywoman
thomas,
where
whether
the
lcb
wrote
it
or
not.
M
The
whole
premise
of
the
legislative
declarations
is
that
somehow
the
policies
and
procedures
that
we
have
put
in
place
to
protect
the
public's
interest
for
public
contracting,
making
sure
that
it's
fair
open
that
all
bidders
have
the
opportunity
to
bid
on
equal
basis
is
somehow
a
burden
or
a
barrier
when
it
comes
to
this
job
order
contracting.
M
So
I
I
think
that's
in
particularly
offensive
if
you
ask
me
and
that
we
need
to
maintain
and
protect
the
public
faith
and
integrity
for
public
contracts.
The
rules
require
currently
advertising
equal
access
to
all
bidders
require
certain
standards
and
qualifications
to
be
met,
and
I
don't
think
that
they
should
be
characterized
as
burdens
or
barriers.
M
You
only
need
to
look
at
the
long
beach
audit
to
get
an
answer
of
what
could
go
wrong
and
then,
additionally,
I
think
the
committee
has
to
get
answers
to
several
questions
that
were
in
section
nine
and
you
know,
and
and
some
of
them
were
asked,
but
I
don't
think
very
clearly
who
will
be
deciding
things
like
the
types
and
quantities
of
work,
the
selection
criteria
and
weights
given
to
those
criteria.
M
All
these
items
and
other
things
like
the
unit
price
catalog,
the
formula
of
pricing.
What
types
of
projects
will
be
awarded
using
juror
order
contracts
will
be
decided
who
and
how
are
they
going
to
use
a
third-party
on
that?
And
then
how
are
those
people
going
to
be
paid
by
a
percentage
or
a
flat
fee?
M
And
we
also
need
to
find
out
how
who
and
how
we'll
decide
on
renewal
and
extensions
of
these
contracts.
M
I
think
it's
right
as
assemblyman
or
ellison
pointed
out
that
it
can
easily
be
manipulated
and
funneled
contracts
towards
certain
contractors
by
changing
the
weight
and
the
criteria
in
one
area
where
a
contractor
is
stronger
than
another.
So
I
I
just
see
problems
with
the
entire
process.
Here
I
see
the
problem
with
the
promise
that
to
make
a
commitment
for
a
minimum
amount
of
work
to
be
awarded,
and
then
they
could
contract
for
they
said
up
to
five
different
contractors.
M
So
I'm
not
quite
following
how
it's
going
to
work
when
you
talk
about
everyone's
going
to
come
in
with
their
unit
price,
their
unit
price
are
not
going
to
be
uniform.
Their
adjustment
factors
are
not
going
to
be
uniform,
so
five
different
contractors
are
going
to
have
five
different
levels
of
payment
or
reimbursement
for
the
same
work
and
then
they're
just
going
to
give
them
on
a
rotation.
M
I
think
that's
not
really
conducive
or
in
line
with
the
protections
and
various
things
that
the
state
has
developed
over
years
to
make
that,
especially
when
you've,
given
someone
a
commitment
on
a
piece
of
work,
I
don't
know
how
those
things
protect
the
public's
interest.
M
M
I
know
in
other
sections
of
the
law,
they
say
can't
be
less
than
three
or
more
than
five
they
all
have
to,
and
the
majority
has
to
have
construction
experience.
So
I
know
there
was
an
attempt
there,
but
I
don't
think
it
hit
the
mark
in
the
subcontract
language.
That's
there-
and
I
listened
to
the
testimony
here.
M
So
if
the
prime
transactor
gets
the
job,
they
have
the
the
process,
they
know
they're
going
to
get
it.
They
have
a
unit
price
on
traditional
construction
or
in
any
other,
most
of
it.
They
have
to
select
their
subs
and
turn
those
subs
in
with
their
bid
at
that
time,
and
then
they
can't
be
substituted
later
under
the
seymour
process.
Those
subs
are
selected
later,
but
there's
an
elaborate
process
to
meant
to
stop
big
shopping
where
they
have
to
pre-qualify
those
subs.
M
They
have
to
advertise
to
those
subs
and
then
the
subs
have
to
submit
proposals
to
the
awarding
body
at
a
certain
time,
and
then
only
those
subs
can
be
selected
under
this
procedure.
M
I
don't
think
all
of
the
safeguards
are
there.
The
contractor
can
have
the
job
the
prime
he
can
go
out
and
say:
oh,
I
need
these
types
of
subs
and
he'll
have,
however
long
it
takes
to
shop
around
and
say
well
yeah,
I'd
love
to
give
it
to
you,
but
so-and-so
gave
me
a
better
price,
so
the
projections
are
not
there
once
they
list
them.
Yes,
there
are
protections
that
joanna
mentioned.
M
In
regard
to
the
letter
of
the
labor,
commissioner,
let
me
explain
a
little
bit
more,
I'm
sorry
if
they
weren't
able
to
see
it.
I
just
saw
the
mock-up
last
night
and
read
the
changes
in
subsection
in
section
6.
Excuse
me
regarding
the
applicability
of
nrs338,
the
previous
language
said
that
the
provisions
of
nrs338
apply
to
job
order
contracting
now,
they've
taken
it
out
and
said
only
these
three
things:
the
apprentice
utilization.
M
You
have
to
pay
prevailing
wage
and
you
have
to
turn
in
certified
payroll
reports.
In
the
labor
commissioner's
letter.
There
are
several
other
areas
that
she
mentioned:
that
theoretically,
would
she
be
able
to
enforce
them?
Would
she
not
be
able
to
enforce
them?
I
think
this
law
would
create
a
conflict
there,
but
there
are
other
things
that
are
left
out,
that
I
did
write
down
the
provisions
that
were
just
put
in
last
session
defining
what
a
bona
fide
benefit
is.
Would
that
apply
to
these
job
order
contracts
or
not?
M
Are
you
employed
at
the
site
of
the
work
and
the
information
that
a
person
that
the
labor
commissioner
uses
to
determine
that
is
not
included
now
in
the
labor
standards
for
job
order
contracting,
whether
or
not
there's
a
contractual
relationship
and
labor
commissioners
said
you
can't
use
an
independent
contractor
and
you
can't
claim
that
an
independent
contractor
performing
construction
work
is,
is
not
a
worker.
M
Those
provisions
are
left
out
of
the
new
language
labor
standards
that
would
not
be
included
for
job
order,
contracting
the
forfeiture
and
penalties
for
misrepresenting
or
misreporting
personally,
zero,
six
zero.
Three
three:
eight
zero
six
zero
have
been
left
out
and
then,
of
course,
in
zero.
Nine
zero,
where
the
labor
commissioner
has
enforcement
and
can
issue
penalties.
That
section
has
been
left
out.
M
So
after
listening
to
donald
testimony
and
with
all
of
that
said,
you
know
we're
profoundly
opposed
to
this
type
of
contracting.
We
don't
think
that
it's
going
to
be
beneficial.
M
A
Thank
you,
mr
daley,
always
always
doing
your
daily
touch
on
things.
I
appreciate
that
we'll
continue
with
opposition
on
senate
bill
67,
please.
J
K
Good
morning
rob
benner
r-o-v
b-e-n-n-e-r,
with
the
northern
nevada
building
trades.
We
oppose
sb
67.
When
I
testified
in
the
senate,
I
testified
in
neutral
because
we
were
told
that
it
was
going
to
be
restricted
to
clark
county.
However,
it
has
become
clear
after
listening
to
the
first
hearing
and
those
that
spoke
in
support
at
that
hearing,
that
this
program
will
likely
go
statewide
in
the
future.
K
K
In
fact,
the
audit
found
that
cost
overruns
on
91
percent
of
the
projects
that
were
reviewed.
Several
projects
had
cost
overruns
of
almost
50
percent
due
to
change
orders.
This
audit
was
done
after
it
had
been
in
place
for
13
years.
If
this
bill
passes,
there
should
be
at
least
an
independent
audit
done
before
it
is
expanded.
K
We
strongly
oppose.
We
are
strongly
opposed
to
job
order
contracting
in
northern
nevada.
I
don't
think,
there's
a
municipality
in
northern
nevada
that
has
a
cip
budget
of
25
million
dollars.
If
job
border
contracting
is
expanded
to
municipalities
in
northern
nevada,
this
bill
would
allow
them,
in
theory,
to
award
their
entire
budgets
using
this
method,
which
is
not
appropriate
job
order.
Contracting
is
a
problematic
process
that
leads
to
a
lack
of
transparency,
cost
overruns,
lack
of
oversight
and
potential
conflicts
of
interest,
and
we
encourage
you
to
oppose
it.
Thank
you.
J
Caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
517,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
may
begin
good
morning,
mr
chairman,
for
the
record.
My
name
is
danny
thompson.
D-A-N-N-Y
t-h-o-m-p-s-o-n
today
representing
the
operating
engineers,
local
three.
J
The
mock-up
mr
daily,
we
agree
with
mr
daley's
comments
that
you
know
all
of
these
protections
that
were
put
in
chapter
338
over
the
years
were
put
in
there
to
address
problems
that
were
created
and
solutions
were
found
in
in
those
changes
in
the
law.
J
M
J
In
a
school
district
in
a
certain
county
where
you
had
the
good
old
boy
system-
and
you
know
to
to
mr
ellison's
point-
I
I
think
he
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
The
potential
for
that
to
happen
here
is
very
real,
and
especially
with
the
changes
that
have
been
that
are
proposed
in
the
mock-up.
A
J
J
J
C
We
are
also
opposed
to
sb
67,
which
is
particularly
concerning
for
the
finnish
crafts
first
of
all,
a
public
body
or
its
authorized
representative
to
rank
proposals
without
any
statement
in
the
bill
that
somebody
from
the
building
trades
would
be
on.
These
panels
is
concerning
also
the
language
about
unit
pricing
and
the
formula
sounds
too
much
like
peace
work
and
we
fight
every
day
against
the
underground
economy,
peace,
work
and
misclassified
workers.
C
Additionally,
the
provision
in
section
12
at
least
50
percent
of
the
work,
is
subcontracted
out.
So
in
the
example
of
if
the
gc
decides
to
self-perform
all
of
the
finished
work,
including
paint
drywall
finishing
floor
covering
and
glazing
which
we
cover,
but
that's
less
than
50
percent
of
the
total
project
cost
the
painters
and
allied
trades
have
lost
everything
on
that
project
and
then,
when
it
says
that
the
estimated
costs
would
be
the
same
as
an
outbid
public
works
project.
C
The
examples
have
been
given
about
long
beach
and
examples
about
california,
the
the
localities,
the
in
california
there's
current
legislation
that
states
that
there
has
to
exhibit
a
cost
savings,
not
just
the
same,
but
as
savings
for
there
to
be
a
job
order,
contract
in
place
and
then,
finally,
this
legislation
in
california
at
the
state
level,
not
long
beach
or
the
localities,
has
been
trying
to
fix
job
order
contracting
in
california
for
years,
including
new
legislation
which
states
that
anything
over
25
thousand
dollars
should
provide
an
enforceable
commitment
that
the
contractors
at
every
tier
use
the
skilled
and
trained
workforce,
which
are
people
that
have
graduated
from
a
state
approved
apprenticeship
program,
not
a
union
apprenticeship
program,
but
a
state
approved
apprenticeship
program
with
an
apprenticeable
occupation
in
the
building
trades,
which
would
eliminate
this.
C
The
idea
that
that
the
50
percent
that
they
general
contractor
might
keep
and
do
with
their
people
would
would
otherwise
be
performed
by
an
oppressible
occupation
of
the
building
trade.
So
for
these
reasons
we
are
adamantly
opposed
to
sb
67.
This
concludes
my
testimony.
Thank
you.
J
A
J
J
Caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
250,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
may
begin
so
good
morning.
My
name
is
shannon
chambers,
sha
nln,
last
name
chambers,
c-h-a-m-b-e-r-s,
the
nevada
labor
commissioner
and
chairman
flores,
and
vice
chair
torrez.
I
know
you're
short
on
time
here,
so
I'll,
try
and
make
it
as
quick
as
possible.
J
So
first
of
all,
certainly
don't
want
to
diminish
any
of
the
work
that
miss
jacobs
and
all
the
stakeholders
have
done
on
this
bill.
Second
of
all,
the
labor
commissioner
has
not
been
involved
in
any
of
the
discussions
on
this
bill
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
a
bad
thing.
It
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
done
here.
My
main
concern,
as
the
labor
commissioner
is
the
reprint
reprint
one
on
senate
bill
67
had
the
authority
of
the
labor
commissioner
to
enforce
any
requirement
under
chapter
338.
J
I'm
happy
to
work
with
miss
jacobs
and
all
the
stakeholders,
but
it
is
my
recommendation
that
the
language
in
reprint,
one
in
section
six
that
says
the
labor
commissioner,
can
enforce
any
requirement,
be
the
language
that
moves
forward
and
I
will
leave
it
at
that
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
But
again
just
want
to
make
sure.
I
have
that
on
the
record.
A
A
Perfect
in
the
interest
of
times
miss
jacobs,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
we
please
not
do
closing
remarks.
Please
I'm
sorry,
just
because
we
need
we
need
to
get
down
the
floor.
We
won't
do
closing
remarks
but
members,
here's
what
we're
going
to
do,
because
I
know
we.
We
still
have
a
whole
host
of
questions
and
a
bunch
of
unanswered
things
that
we
we
want
to
clarify.
A
So
we're
going
to
circulate
the
additional
questions
from
the
members
via
email.
So,
for
example,
I
know
assemblywoman
anderson
has
additional
questions
we'll
send
those
out
and
then
we'll
circulate
the
responses
and
the
questions
so
that
everybody
can
see
that
and
we'll
do
that
with
every
single
question
you
all
have
so
that
we're
all
in
the
same
conversation
with
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
out
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
67
and
lastly,
excuse
me.
Lastly,
if
we
could
please
go
to
public
comment
broadcast,
please.
J
Now,
with
the
last
three
digits
of
three
zero
nine,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
may
begin.
Thank
you
sure
floor
is
in
committee.
My
name
is
brian
rip.
It
b-r-I-a-n-r-I-p-p-e-t
a
chemistry
and
physics
teacher
in
douglas
county,
serving
as
the
president
of
the
nevada
state
education
association,
I'm
accommodating
today
that
this
committee
has
purview
over
nrs
288,
which
includes
provisions
for
collective
bargaining.
J
As
you
may
know,
language
in
senate
bill
543,
the
school
funding
plan
set
the
ending
fund
balance
for
school
districts,
not
subject
to
collective
bargaining
at
16.6.
This
is
a
grand
departure
from
our
current
policy
and
practice.
We
believe
that
this
is
an
anti-collective
bargaining
provision
that
would
wall
off
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
for
from
school
districts
and
employees
in
fiscal
year,
21.,
combined
with
the
state
sweep
of
district
funds
above
16.6.
J
K
Ian
marie
grant
a-n-n-e-m-a-r-I-e-g-r-a-n-t
sister
thomas
purdy,
murdered
by
reno
police
and
washoe
county
sheriff's
office.
These
aren't
my
words
I
just
want
to
preface
this.
I
am
going
to
build
a
couple
ar
pistols
just
for
blm,
antifa
or
active
shooters
who
cross
my
path
and
can't
maintain
social
distancing.
K
I
would
be
a
good
helper
and
throw
a
lot
of
gasoline
in
their
direction
as
their
lighters
as
they
light
their
lighters
and
then
say
oops
as
I
walk
away.
Those
were
just
two
of
the
vile
disgusting,
disturbing
and
fear,
generating
tweet
sent
out
by
sparks
police
officer.
George
four
bush,
the
city
disciplined
officer,
four
bush
for
violating
spark's
administrative,
rural
civil
service
regulations
and
sparked
police
department.
General
orders
with
a
four-day
suspension
for
bush
alleges.
K
He
was
unjustly
disciplined
for
misconduct
after
he
posted
on
a
personal
personal
social
media
account
about
matters
of
public
concern
is
what
he
called
them.
Forbus
is
thinking
one
million
dollars
in
damages,
because
the
suit
said
the
disciplinary
action
caused
him
psychological,
emotional
and
reputational
harm
and
will
hurt
his
post-retirement
employment
prospects.
Another
bad
officer
costing
the
taxpayers
money
the
spark
city
council
at
their
monday,
5
10
21
meeting,
approved
retaining
holland
and
hart
as
special
counsel
to
the
city
in
the
fort
bush
lawsuit.
K
These
fees
are
billed
by
the
hour
and
the
hourly
rate
varies
based
on
the
person
performing
the
work.
The
total
financial
impact
will
depend
on
how
the
case
progresses.
What's
most
troubling
is
global,
sees
nothing
wrong
with
this
statement
for
someone
who
has
the
ability
to
kill
without
consequence,
his
attorney
wants
to
pretend
that
the
community
does
not
have
a
legitimate,
legitimate
fear
based
on
his
statements.
He
is
a
member
of
the
swat
team
who
are
typically
sent
to
volatile
situations.
K
I
know
many
community
members,
especially
the
black
community,
don't
want
him
showing
up
for
their
call.
You
may
or
may
not
recall.
I
spoke
to
this
committee
previously
about
thirty
five
thirty
year,
christopher
talenclan,
who
was
affixated
by
sparks
police
in
2016..
Four
bush
was
one
of
those
officers.
K
A
Thank
you
members.
I
appreciate
everybody
asking
questions
and
engaging
in
today's
conversation.
I
recognize
that
there's
still
a
bunch
of
unanswered
questions
know
that
we'll
hopefully
be
able
to
get
some
of
those
answered
and
hopefully
find
some
common
ground
again.
Thank
you
we'll
be
meeting
tomorrow
morning
at
9
00.
Am
this
meeting's.