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A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Madam
secretary
plea.
Please
mark
assemblywoman
black
as
absent
excused.
We
have
a
quorum
members,
we're
gonna,
take
the
agenda
slightly
out
of
order
today,
we'll
be
hearing
assembly
bill,
86,
followed
by
assembly,
bill
52
and
then
we'll
take
public
comment.
I
want
to
remind
you
to
please
keep
your
microphones
on
mute
unless
you
are
speaking,
please
keep
your
cameras
on
members.
For
those
excuse
me
for
those
of
you
who
are
going
to
be
speaking.
A
Please
state
your
name
for
for
the
record
after
each
question
to
make
the
life
easier
for
our
staff.
I
want
to
remind
folks
to
remain
respectful.
I
don't
anticipate
today
being
too
long,
but
we'll
see
how
the
the
questions
go
and
then.
Lastly,
I
want
to
remind
those
of
you
who
are
participating
virtually
and
watching
us.
Let
you
know
that
we
have
a
very
unique
setup.
A
If
we're
looking
down
up
left
right,
it
doesn't
mean
we're
ignoring
the
footage.
It's
just.
Our
unique
setup
calls
for
us
to
kind
of
look
in
different
directions
at
times
with
that,
I'd
like
to
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly,
bill
86
and
my
understanding
is.
We
have
assemblywoman
peters
who's
going
to
be
co-presenting
good
morning
and
welcome.
D
Thank
you,
chair
flores
and
committee
members
for
the
record.
I'm
sarah
peters
representing
assembly
district
24
in
washoe
county.
It's
my
pleasure
today
to
present
assembly
bill
86,
which
makes
various
changes
related
to
the
recovery
of
certain
expenses
and
costs
incurred
in
extinguishing
wildfires
with
me
today.
To
present
the
bill
is
terry
taylor,
a
fire
arson
investigator
and
a
certified
wildland
fire
investigator
assembly
bill.
86
was
proposed
by
the
committee
to
conduct
an
interim
study
concerning
wildfire.
D
It
was
my
pleasure
to
serve
as
a
member
of
this
important
committee
during
the
2019
interim.
The
committee
was
created
by
assembly
concurrent
resolution
4
during
the
2019
legislative
session
was
tasked
with
considering
methods
of
reducing
wildfire
fuels,
issues
related
to
early
responses
to
wildfire
and
economic
impacts
of
wildfires
on
state
and
both
local
communities.
D
The
committee
consisted
of
three
members
of
the
senate:
three
members
of
the
assembly
and
two
non-voting
members.
At
the
committee's
final
meeting,
the
work
session
on
july,
2nd
2020,
the
committee
recommended
to
address
numerous
wildfire
related
issues.
One
of
those
recommendations
is
ab-86
which
will
help
us
to
to
recover
costs
from
fire
fighting
fires
caused
by
persons
who
acted
in
a
criminal
and
negligent
manner.
A
D
All
right,
sarah
peters,
for
the
record.
The
committee
received
written
recommendations
by
the
nevada
chapter
of
international
assist
of
the
international
association
of
arsons
investigator.
D
D
D
Often
it
is
local
governments
that
are
the
first
to
respond
to
wildfires
and
they
often
bear
the
brunt
of
the
cost
associated
with
firefighting.
Thankfully,
they
can
receive
assistance
through
the
wildland
fire
protection
program,
which
is
housed
in
the
division
of
forestry
of
the
state
department
of
conservation
and
natural
resources
after
a
devastating
wildfire.
It
is
important
that
the
fund
of
the
wildland
fire
protection
program
are
not
depleted
and
that
local
governments
tasked
with
putting
out
the
wildfires
can
recover
their
costs.
D
The
same
investigators
have
found
that
adjacent
states
are
much
more
efficient
in
cost
recovery
due
to
appropriate
statutes.
Our
neighboring
states,
california,
oregon
washington
and
idaho
all
have
these
statutes
with
the
chairs
provision.
I
would
like
to
now
have
mr
taylor
provide
a
more
detailed
background
on
the
bill,
along
with
a
section
by
section
overview.
F
Assemblyman
peters,
chair,
flores
and
vice
chair
torres.
My
name
is
terry
taylor,
I'm
a
fire
investigator
and
I
was
part
of
the
group
that
put
the
suggestion
forward
to
the
wildland
fire
committee,
and
I
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
discuss
really
what
is
sort
of
a
cleanup
bill
to
do
a
better
job
in
the
economic
side
of
wildland
fire.
F
This
course
covers
civil
recovery
and
all
of
the
investigators
in
nevada
that
have
taken
the
course
are
familiar
with
the
difference
between
civil
recovery
as
well
as
arson,
and
our
arson
statutes.
Allow
us
to
recover
costs
of
investigation
and
supplemental
costs
for
the
crime
of
arson,
usually
ordered
by
a
district
court
judge
as
an
additional
penalty.
F
I
guess
you
could
say
for
a
convicted
arsonist,
so
our
students
are
trained
in
both
cost
recovery
and
civil
investigation
procedures,
our
federal
partners
with
u.s
fish
and
wildlife,
bureau
of
land
management,
forest
service
and
the
national
park
service
who
we've
trained
their
personnel
as
well.
Here
in
nevada,
they
have
been
doing
cost
recovery
for
really
the
last
50
years
and
they've
been
doing
it
very
successfully.
F
In
my
case,
I
work
for
east
fork,
fire
protection
district
for
21
years,
as
among
my
duties
was
there.
F
I
was
their
fire
investigator
in
douglas
county
and
I've
submitted
through
mutual
aid
cost
recovery
cases
to
a
variety
of
jurisdictions,
obviously
including
douglas
county,
but
washoe,
county,
carson
city
story,
lion,
churchill,
humboldt
and
elko
as
part
of
an
investigative
team
and
so
also
reno
sparks
and
elko
as
cities
and
I've
faced
a
variety
of
denials
of
attempts
to
file
cost
recovery
cases,
as
have
my
colleagues
in
local
government
and
state
government,
unlike
what's
going
on
in
the
federal
side
where
these
are
welcomed
by
either
an
assistant,
u.s
attorney
or
a
solicitor
general
and
then
moved
into
the
federal
system.
F
F
Section
one
of
the
bill
adds
nrs
318
districts
formed
to
provide
fire
protection.
One
of
these
is
my
sister
district
right
next
door
to
me,
the
tahoe
douglas
fire
protection
district
up
at
lake
tahoe
when
I
filed
cases
on
their
behalf.
I
was
advised
by
our
district
attorney
who,
by
the
way,
our
douglas
district
attorney
supports
this
bill
that
they
did
not
because
of
the
nature
of
the
formation.
F
They
did
not
have
the
authority
to
seek
cost
recovery
for
wildfires
and
so
section
section
one
creates
that
authority,
and
there
is
also
in
both
the
472
and
474
statute,
language
that
that
talks
about
the
fire
must
threaten
human
life,
and
so
we've
had
a
number
of
cases
that
have
been
brought
forward
where
basically,
a
negligently
started
fire
burns
into
a
neighbor
or
a
few
neighbors
places
and
the
wild
land
doesn't
destroy
any
houses.
F
F
F
We
don't
count
for
threatening
human
life,
arguably
we're
all
human,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
our
jobs,
we
have
pretty
much
agreed
to
absorb
these
risks
as
part
of
our
job,
and
so
the
the
da's
and
city
attorneys
that
I've
dealt
with
have
all
pretty
much
talked
to
neighbors
and-
and
I
would
call
them
victims
of
the
negligent
person
and
we've
had
a
very
poor
turnout.
F
It
should
be
up
to
a
district
attorney
or
a
city
attorney,
or
an
attorney
general
to
decide
whether
the
negligence
meets
the
requirements
of
statute,
and
was
this
person
or
corporation
or
whatever,
negligent
to
move
forward
with
with
the
case,
because
there's
taxpayer
monies
involved
here
it
isn't
it
isn't
the
next
door
neighbor,
that's
bearing
the
brunt,
it's
all
of
us
in
nevada
that
are
so
the
the
section
one
takes
care
of
of
that
part
of
it,
and
I
and
I
appreciate
the
changes.
F
Okay,
very
good,
sir.
Thank
you
so
so
the
requirement
in
472-5401-2
requires
that
the
state
forester
fire
warden
determine
that
the
fire
or
other
emergency
which
threatens
human
life,
that
the
fire
is
willful
or
negligently
ignited
or
an
unavoidable
accident,
and
the
state
forester
no
longer
employs
qualified
wildfire
investigators
to
perform
this
task.
F
This
task
has
been
given
by
interlocal
agreement
to
the
department
of
public
safety,
nevada,
state
fire
marshal
division
and
477,
which
is
their
statute
of
powers
and
duties
of
the
fire,
marshal
specifically
exclude
their
jurisdiction
in
clark,
washoe
and
carson
city
counties
or
consolidated
municipality
unless
they
are
requested
by
the
fire
chief
of
the
county
or
the
municipality,
and
I
can
tell
you,
as
a
former
employee
and
investigator
at
the
state
fire
marshal's
office,
clark
and
washoe
rarely
invited
us
in
unless
there
was
something
major.
F
Even
in
major
wildfires.
We
were
not
invited
in
those
were
handled
quickly
by
truckee
meadows,
fire,
reno,
fire
or
sparks
fire,
and
you
still
have
under
this
statute
the
issue
of
threatening
human
life,
and
you
still
have
the
unavoidable
accident
analysis
which
could
prevent
cost
recovery
by
the
state
forester
in
the
in
our
in
the
318
fire
districts.
F
F
Section
three
is
all
new
language
that
that
amends
nrs,
268
and
268
is
sort
of
powers,
and
duties
of
county
commissions
specifically
empowers
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
to
bring
in
action
and
for
cost
and
to
initiate
cost
recovery
and
and
again
it
adds
important
language,
and
this
is
in
the
my
discussions
with
city
attorney
personnel
around
the
state,
as
well
as
district
attorneys.
F
What
they're
they're
clearing
up
the
one
of
the
issues
is,
these
cases
can
be
very
complex
and
the
expenses
incurred
by
the
county
in
extinguishing
the
wildfire.
The
addition
of
reasonable
attorneys
fees
and
litigation
expense
is
necessary
in
some
of
the
cases
that
I
have
worked
already
that
have
been
successful
under
the
previous
statutes.
F
What
has
happened
is
that
no
attorneys
fees
have
been
awarded
to
the
public
sector
council
and
in
some
instances,
they've
had
to
hire
outside
experts
to
determine
the
values
of
land
that
was
destroyed,
this
sort
of
thing,
and
that
was
just
sort
of
eaten
by
the
da's
office,
and
I
don't
think,
that's
correct.
I
have
a
10-year
history
of
working
in
the
private
sector
in
the
insurance
industry,
where
we
subrogated
against.
Against
tort
visors
and
they
attorney's
fees
were
always
awarded
as
part
of
those
negotiations
or
court
decrees.
F
In
that
particular
case,
we
were
able
to
recover
significant
amounts
of
money
from
nv
energy,
which
I
can't
describe
the
amount,
but
it
was
very
significant
and,
as
we
were
settling,
I
raised
the
issue:
what
about
the
cost
to
the
cities
and
to
the
counties,
because
we
had
mutual
aid
and
there
were
various
costs.
F
A
fire
management
assistance
grant
was
sought
and
gained
by
the
city
of
reno,
but
the
wildfire
protection
program
did
not
exist
nine
years
ago,
and
so
we
went
to
the
city
of
reno
and
to
the
other
entities
in
washoe
county
as
private
sector.
We
said:
look,
we've
done
all
the
heavy
lifting
we've
paid
experts
we're
going
to
get
some
of
that
money
back.
F
It's
the
it's
it's
in
addition
to
that,
as
the
is
what
the
courts
have
done
in
the
cases
that
I've
been
involved
with,
so
that
that
would
allow
a
city,
council
or
other
governing
body
and
a
municipality
to
to
move
forward.
Section
five
actually
amends
nrs
318
again
and
it
adds
it
empowers
the
board
of
a
fire
district.
F
So
we
could
say
all
right,
so
it's
the
those
things
are
in
your
bill
and
in
place
and
if
passed
without
any
language
changes,
it
would
empower
these
entities
to
go
through
a
process
to
decide.
You
know.
Is
there
a
viable
defendant?
Is
that
defendant,
negligent
or
willful
in
their
activity?
F
F
And
so
one
of
my
concerns
is
the
wildfire
protection
program
has
just
been
absolutely
a
godsend
to
local
government.
It's
six
years
old.
It's
subscriber-based.
F
I
look
at
it
in
my
view,
as
sort
of
a
self-insurance
pool
and
it's
based
on
past
fire
history,
and
I
think
most
of
us
can
agree
that
that
we
have.
We
have
a
challenge
there,
because
fires
tend
to
be
somewhat
randomly
located
and
randomly
occurring.
We
have
a
fire
season,
we
know
more.
Fires
occur.
You
know
between
the
months
of
may
and
october
as
a
general
rule,
but
we
we
can't.
F
We
do
not
have,
even
though
there's
people
tinkering
with
it
at
the
national
fire
academy
and
at
the
national
wildfire
coordinating
group.
We
don't
really
have
a
way
to
predict
the
number
of
fires
other
than
weather-based
fires.
F
F
So
my
concern
is
as
as
not
just
as
a
taxpayer
but
as
a
fire
service
professional
is
this
fund
has
been
very
effective,
but
it
can,
it
can
be
depleted
and
so
that
this,
I
believe
in
my
reading
of
the
statute
of
the
creation
of
the
fund,
that
if
the
fund
runs
out
of
money
that
the
state
general
fund
has
to
sort
of
feed
it
and
thus
we're
you
know
any
outstanding
claims
by
local
government
or
state
government,
you
would
you
would
have
to
supplement
the
the
lack
of
money
that
would
be
in
there
for
a
large
scale,
particularly
a
large-scale
fire.
F
And
so
one
of
the
researchers
I
tried
to
do
is
was
kind
of
see
how
this
fund
is
working,
and
I
went
to
my
old
fire
chief
because
we
had
a
major
fire
in
douglas
county
this
last
year,
and
so
he
gave
me
some
information
which
I
think
was
was
very
relevant
when
the
program
started
years.
One
and
four
one
through
four
east
fork:
fire
protection
district
paid
ninety
thousand
dollars
a
year
based
on
our
fire
history
in
years
five
and
six,
six
being
the
current
year.
F
In
june
of
1920
we
had
a
fire
ignited
on
the
west
side
of
u.s
highway,
395
south
of
gardnerville,
multiple
federal
state
and
local
jurisdiction.
Fire
suppression
resources
responded.
F
It
basically
took
weeks
to
put
the
entire
fire
out.
Evacuations
of
homes
ranches
occurred,
we
have
shelters,
were
open
to
house
people,
domestic
animals,
horses
and
other
livestock.
It
was
a
major
impact
for
us
in
douglas
county.
As
residents,
but
also
for
the
region,
because
we
drew
down
your
fire
response
resources,
both
federal
state
and
local,
within
really
about
a
200
mile
radius,
including
including
bringing
folks
over
from
california,
to
help
us
out,
so
the
fire
had
multiple
points
of
origin.
So
initially
there
was
concerns
of
a
arson
fire.
F
Sierra
wildfire
cooperators
has
been
around
for
almost
50
years
and
was
created
by
lodi
smith,
former
forester
fire
warden
for
the
state
of
nevada
and
the
then
director
of
cal
fire,
and
so
we
assigned
local
government
as
well
as
federal
resources
to
investigate
the
fires
and
that
included
the
state
fire
marshal
federal
fire
and
law
enforcement
experts
douglas
county
sheriff's
office.
We
also
had
mono
county
sheriff's
office
and
we
we
used
other
resources
during
that.
So
the
overall
cost
of
this
fire
was
around
six
and
a
half
million
dollars.
F
You
had
land
burning,
that
was
some
of
it
was
private.
Some
of
it
was
tribal.
Some
of
it
was
bureau
of
indian
affairs
and
bureau
of
land
management.
When
that
happens,
the
since
the
fire
started.
Even
though
it
started
on
adjacent
to
a
state
highway,
it
became
the
responsibility
of
the
east
fork,
fire
protection
district,
and
so
you
basically
had
a
cost
share
agreement
that
was
created
later
on
in
the
game.
F
There
was
lots
of
aviation
resources
used
both
state
resources
with
division
of
forestry,
as
well
as
contract
resources
from
the
forest
service
and
bureau
of
land
management.
So
the
first
few
days
were
uber
expensive
for
the
fire
service,
but
we
were
able
to
pretty
much
halt
forward
movement
and
not
stop
lateral
movement.
That's
probably
the
best
way
to
describe
it.
F
However,
nothing
is
free
and
nothing
is
complete
in
in
any
of
these
sources
of
funding,
whether
it's
the
wildland
fire
protection
program
or
the
fire
management
assistance
grants.
What
basically
happens
is
the
fmag
covered
only
from
fire
ignition,
which
we
all
knew
when
that
was
and
to
the
period
of
termination
of
evacuations.
D
Assemblywoman
peters,
we
do
have
a
little
bit
of
a
time
crunch
with
the
other
four.
I
think
so
that
the
committee
has
a
strong
understanding
of
the
bill
and
we
could
move
on
to
questions
if
that's
all
right
with
the
with
the
chip.
A
Sounds
good
assemblywoman
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
I
appreciate
you
going
through
it
so
thoroughly,
for
the
most
part
are
comfortable
with
most
of
it,
but
there's
just
some
clarifying
questions
that
we
have
so
we'll
stop
we'll
start
off
with
the
assemblywoman.
Excuse
me,
assemblyman
ellison,
please.
C
C
C
So
I've
got
a
problem
with
that
and
and
then
what
about
the?
What
about
the
fires
like
nv
energy?
A
lot
of
that
was
in
areas
that,
when
the
the
pods
did
catch
fire
and
go
down,
but
a
lot
of
them
areas
can't
be
pruned
or
they
cannot
have
chemicals
down
around
the
poles,
so
that
causes
a
fire
and
so
they're
on
the
hook.
C
But
my
last
question
is
what
about
the
fire
department,
forest
service
or
blm
employees,
their
staff
and
look
at
all
the
fires
along
the
highway?
You
look
at
indot,
you
look
at
the
fire
screen
and
we
watched
the
other
day
how
many
fires
are
along
I-80
by
cigarettes
so
at
which
point
in
time
who's
at
fault.
C
C
F
You
so
the
we
have
successfully
sued
product
manufacturers
for
defective
products.
Mr
taylor,
I
could
just
have
your
student
name
for
the
record,
please!
Oh
I'm
sorry
for
the
record,
terry
taylor.
F
As
part
of
the
insurance
industry,
we
have
successfully
sued
product
manufacturers
for
defective
products
and
able
to
get
cost
recovery.
So,
like
you
say,
I'm
driving
a
vehicle
and
that's
what
started
the
fire
down
in
douglas
county
in
june,
the
catalytic
converter
failed
and
we
have
this
large
event
an
expensive
event
which,
by
the
way,
we
were
not
able
to
locate
the
truck
that
that
did
it
after
a
very
thorough
investigation.
F
The
other
thing
is:
is
that
all
of
these
statutes
have
there
is
language
in
there
that
discusses
an
accident,
and-
and
so
things
like
this-
that
are
an
accident,
you're
you're,
basically
off
the
hook
and
the
other.
The
other
thing
that
I've
learned
in
my
years
of
following
up
the
civil
litigation
is
you
can't
squeeze
blood
out
of
a
stone,
so
our
federal
partners
are
able
to
attach
tax
returns
and
do
things
and
that's
not
not
in
this
bill.
F
Thank
god
not
interested
in
dealing
with
that
motor
vehicle
insurance
liability
insurance
will
pay
out
if
you
accidentally
or
negligently
cause
a
fire
with
your
vehicle
and
we've
recovered
monies
that
way
to
the
maximum
amount
of
the
motor
vehicle
policy.
So
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
on
a
state
or
local
level.
I
don't
see
it
as
becoming
an
honoris
debt
that
would
follow
somebody
around
for
the
rest
of
their
life.
F
The
decision
making
that
I've
seen
with
local
government
officials
in
the
past
is
we
collect
what
we
can
collect.
We
parse
it
back
out
to
our
partners
that
are
owed
money
and
we
have
some
legal
fees
for
our
costs
and
we
move
on,
and
my
one
of
my
primary
concerns
is,
is
being
able
to
recover
money
back
for
you
for
the
wildfire
protection
program
and
assemblyman
ellison.
I
hope
that
answered
your
question.
C
One
follow-up,
sir,
if
I
may,
mr
chairman,
you
follow
up
with
something:
okay
is:
is
the
blm
forest
service
and
in
dot
are
they
held
any
kind
of
responsibility?
If
there's
a
fire
occurred
by
their.
F
Employee
by
an
employee,
yes,
but
so
so
ndot.
I
am
not
aware
of
any
time
when
ndot
has
been
sued
for
causing
a
wildfire.
We
do
have
issues
with
both
forest
service
operations.
We
have
had
litigation
and
blm
operations
and
what
happens
if
they
start
it?
They
pay
for
everything.
So
that
hasn't
been
a
problem.
The
wildfire
protection
program
in
most
cases,
doesn't
even
get
tapped
because
the
blm
calls
their
cooperators
see
our
front
and
says
hey.
I
need
help
and
at
that
point,
they're
they're,
paying
the
bills.
A
G
G
G
G
H
H
G
B
J-E-N-N-I-S-E-R-H-E-L-A-S
with
the
griffin
company
today
representing
the
city
of
reno,
and
we
are
in
support
of
ab-86
we've
seen
how
destructive
the
wildfires
can
be
in
the
high
level
of
costs
it
takes
to
fight
them.
The
bill
provides
an
additional
tool
to
the
city,
both
as
a
deterrent
for
these
situations,
as
well
as
a
tool
in
the
most
egregious
situations
when
a
party
is
found
to
be
at
fault.
We
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
encourage
your
support.
A
G
G
A
Thank
you
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
assemblywoman
peter's.
If
there's
any
clothing
remarks
you
wish
to
have.
D
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
chair
and
committee
members.
This
is
sarah
peters
for
the
record
for
your
time
and
consideration
of
this
legislation,
we
are
available
if
anyone
has
follow-up
questions.
Otherwise,
I
urge
you
to
support
this
important
piece
of
legislation.
A
E
E
A
E
Thank
you
section.
One
paragraph
one
proposes
to
broaden
the
existing
membership
of
the
council
from
its
current
configuration
of
17
voting
members,
one
from
each
county
and
one
non-voting
member
from
the
nevada
association
of
counties
mako
to
also
include
two
additional
non-voting
members,
one
representative
appointed
by
the
nevada
league
of
cities
and
one
representative
appointed
by
the
nevada,
indian
commission.
E
As
background
in
2
in
2013,
this
body
passed
legislation
adding
neco
to
slupac
as
a
non-voting
member.
The
council
believes
it
would
be
beneficial
to
also
add
representation
from
cities
and
tribal
nations.
Consistent
with
legislation
passed
in
2013
at
enaco,
we
reached
out
bolton
nevada,
indian
commission
in
the
league
of
cities
to
discuss
the
addition
of
both
welcome
being
added
to
the
flu
path
since
the
bill
was
released.
E
One
paragraph
seven
is
a
necessary
language
specifying
that
the
added
members
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
their
appointed
authority,
the
same
as
the
existing
non-voting
member
section,
1
paragraph
8
provides
that
the
council
shall
elect
a
vice
chair.
In
addition
to
a
chair
section
2
paragraph
4
recognizes
that
the
council
may
directly
comment
on
land
use,
planning
and
policies
that
may
affect
their
local
communities.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
do
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
for
for
running
through
this
bill
so
quickly.
I
appreciate
that
as
well,
and
I'm
just
wondering
taking
a
look
at
the
land
use
planning
commission
planning
advisory
council,
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
continue
to
have
representation
of
one
person
per
county
when
we
know
that
some
of
some
regions
in
nevada
are
so
much
more
populated
than
others,
and
them
not
having
that
representation.
B
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
really
makes
the
most
sense
for
nevada
and
what
the
opinion
of
this
land
use
planning
is
here
in
the
state.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Madam
vice
chair,
charlie
donahue,
for
the
record.
The
the
the
council
was
established
in
the
early
70s
and,
as
you
noted,
the
population
in
the
state
has
increased
dramatically
since
that
time.
E
I
think
one
of
the
unique
things
about
the
council
is
the
fact
that
it
does
have
representatives
from
each
county
and
that's
a
combination
of
your
populated
areas
such
as
reno
and
las
vegas
and
clark
county,
as
well
as
the
rural
communities,
and
I
think
I
may
need
to
ask
you
to
further
explain
the
last
portion
of
your
question,
so
I
can
adequately
address
it.
Pam.
B
If
I
major
thank
you
just
with
the
largest
populations
being
really
in
clark,
county
and
washoe
county,
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
current
way
that
this
council
makes
sense,
considering
so
much
more
of
the
population
is
in
those
areas.
E
I
I
think
the
work
that
the
council
does
and
it
was
created,
like
I
said
in
the
early
70s,
to
address
public
land
use
policies
and
I
think
those
are
relevant
throughout
the
state,
regardless
of
population
I'm,
I
believe,
you're
from
down
south
and
you're,
probably
familiar
with
the
the
disposal
of
federal
lands
within
your
communities
and
those
are
established
through
federal
legislation.
But
one
of
the
critical
elements
of
that
is
the
bureau
of
land
management
establishing
resource
management
plans
that
designates
what
lands
are
set
for
disposal
and
those
are
relevant.
E
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
director,
donahue
and
mr
kerry
for
meeting
with
me
last
week
about
the
concern
that
I
had
when
it
came
to
section
one
letter
d
in
particular.
I
I
think
it's
very
important
for
for
this
representation
to
be
present,
I'm
just
curious
as
to
if
you
would
be
open
to
making
it
a
voting
member
instead,
because
based
upon
some
experiences
that
I've
had
a
non-voting
member
could
not
second
an
amendment
or
second
emotion
and
also
is
not
able
to
bring
forward
items
for
discussion
if
we
were
really
to
keep
it
strictly.
The
the
usual
policies.
I
So
I'm
wondering
if
the
possibility
of
having
the
the
appointee
of
the
nevada
indian
commission
is,
can
become
a
voting
member
and
then
I
do
have
a
second
question.
That
is
not
in
this
same
section.
If
there's
a
possibility
to
discuss
that.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
assembling
anderson,
charlie
donahue,
for
the
record
you're
welcome.
Thank
you
for
the
promotion,
I'm
the
administrator
for
the
division
of
state
lands,
not
the
director,
but
we
we
were.
I
appreciate
you
reaching
out
to
us.
I
think
we
had
a
very
positive
and
productive
conversation.
E
One
of
the
things
that
I
did
share
with
you
is
that
we
are
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
slew
pack
meeting
scheduled
for
next
monday
scott,
and
I
have
already
reached
out
to
the
chair
and
requested
that
this
item
be
revisited
at
that
meeting
and
it
may
make
more
practical
sense
instead
of
having
just
the
nevada,
indian
commission
representative.
But
what
I
think
we'd
like
to
do
is
circle
back
with
the
league
and
as
well
as
with
naco.
E
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
discuss
is
that
if
it
were
to
be
a
voting
member,
we
would
want
to
ensure
a
similar
level
of
status
and
actually
have
them
go
through
the
appointment
process
by
the
governor
as
well,
and
I
think
you
raised
that
issue
in
terms
of
tweaking
some
language
in
the
bill.
So
I
really
would
appreciate
an
opportunity
to
circle
back
with
the
council
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
bring
that
back
to
this
committee
after
that
meeting
next
week,.
I
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
and
I
again
really
appreciate
being
open
to
it
and
if,
if
you'd
like
me
to
be
part
of
a
discussion,
please
feel
free
to.
Let
me
know
because
I
I
do
appreciate
what
you're
saying
and
there's
also
a
possibility,
then,
with
those
other
non-voting
areas
to
be
able
to
also
address
the
concern
that
assembly
member
torres
has
brought
up
about
the
different
counties
and
everything.
But
I
do
have
a
second
question.
I
That's
on
a
different
area
that
I
don't
believe
I
spoke
with
you
about
last
week,
just
because
of
how
our
conversation
went
and
with
the
time
frame
that
it
was
it's
actually
from
section
two
area.
Four,
with
this
advising
that's
happening,
is
this
already
happening?
First
of
all,
and
also
what
expertise
does
the
committee
have
on
critical
environmental
concerns?
E
Sure
thank
you
for
the
question.
Assemblywoman
anderson,
charlie
donahue,
for
the
record,
the
I
I
would
say
to
some
degree.
We
are
formalizing
what
is
taking
place.
Currently
the
council
actually
did
weigh
in
on
at
least
the
fallon
land
withdrawal
issue.
If
not
nellis,
I
I'm
a
little
challenged
in
my
memory
if
they
waited
on
that
one
as
well,
but
in
terms
of
memberships
of
the
council.
E
I
I
really
appreciate
you
asking
that
question.
Our
chair
is
currently
the
natural
resource
manager
for
eureka
county
members
of
the
council,
the
county
manager
from
churchill
county.
Mr
barbie,
I
used
to
be
the
director
of
the
department
of
agriculture.
E
We
we
have
a
combination
of
staff,
members,
community
community
development
directors
who
are
very
familiar
with
planning
issues
as
well
as
some
elected
members.
So
I
think
there's
a
good
balance
in
terms
of
the
composition
of
the
council,
and
I
would
say
that
most
of
the
folks
in
the
rurals
have
are
are
extremely
familiar
with
their
communities
and
they've
engaged
in
and
are
very
aware
of
what
the
natural
resource
elements
are.
E
So
I
feel
very
comfortable
in
the
makeup
of
the
council
in
terms
of
their
expertise
in
terms
of
review
or
weighing
in
on
acec's
mail.
I
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
chair
for
for
giving
me
this
allowance
with
so
many
questions,
because
I
also
think
that's
an
item
that
when
the
governor
is
appointing
that's
something
that
they
can
consider
so
again.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
answer.
I
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
question,
charlie
donahue,
for
the
record.
We
typically
notice
our
meetings
at
the
state
library
as
well
as
here
in
the
agency,
as
well
as
on
our
website.
There
was
a
rather
robust
conversation
regarding
this.
E
But
some
of
our
rural
members
on
the
council
really
wanted
to
keep
this
in
place
that,
in
some
of
their
more
remote
locations,
in
particular,
humboldt
county
that
that's
that's,
that's
their
lifeblood.
The
the
the
local
once
a
week
newspaper
where
they're
going
to
find
this,
and
I
I
really
feel
that
it's
important,
particularly
in
terms
of
noticing
for
an
acec
that
we
cover
all
the
bases
in
terms
of
a
thorough
noticing
process
map.
A
Next,
we
have
somebody
woman,
considering.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
just
have
a
question
noticing
that
there
are
openings
on
the
advisory
council.
I'm
wanted
to
to
check
how
many
openings
you
have.
I
think
there
may
be
four,
and
if
so,
how
long
do
you
expect
those
to
be
open
before
they
are
appointed.
E
Ma'am,
I'm
going
to
charlie
down
you
for
the
record,
I'm
going
to
kick
this
to
scott
carey
who's
a
little
bit
more
familiar
with
what
the
membership
is
currently.
B
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
scott
kerry
state
lands
planner
to
answer
the
assembly
woman's
question.
We
currently
have
one
vacancy
on
the
executive
council.
They
were
appointed
over
over
the
summer.
We
had.
We
had
four
originally
last
year
that
vacancies,
but
the
council
took
action
last
summer
to
0.4.
We
were
just
notified
that
there's
one
vacancy.
B
We
hope
to
fill
that
at
our
next
at
our
next
sleep
pad
meeting
next
next
week
and
the
the
the
count
before
the
terms
on
the
existing
council
will
run
through
may
of
2022.
D
A
And
thank
you
for
that
question.
Assemblywoman
members.
Do
we
have
any
additional
question?
Please
unmute
yourself
and
stage
your
name
for
the
record.
A
B
And
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
the
chairs
internet
or
my
own.
A
I
appreciate
it,
I
don't
know
if
I
was
kicked
off
before
I.
I
could
make
the
announcement
that
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
invite
those
wishing
to
speak
in
support
of
assembly
bill.
A
G
G
H
H
H
H
Right,
my
arm,
you
are
good
morning
excellent.
Thank
you
very
nice
deadline.
Thank
you.
Chairman
flores
pyramid,
lake
paiute
tribe
has
written
in
a
letter
from
the
chairman,
janet
davis,
and
I
hope
everyone
had
a
chance
to
read
that,
but
chairman
davis
has
stated
that
is.
You
know
essentially
a
long
time
that
the
state's
native
american
tribes
have
representation
on
the
state,
land,
use
and
planning
advisory
council,
and
that
issue
is
pleased
that
somebody
is
being
added
to
this
council,
because
that
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
H
Inclusion
of
such
members
would
better
allow
the
local
governments
to
collaborate
with
native
american
tribes
on
federal
state
and
local
government,
land
use
and
planning
issues,
and
I
think
that
is
truly
the
the
key
point
of
this
is
you
know,
native
american
tribes
are
amongst
our
local
governments
and
between
them
in
some
cases
throughout
nevada,
and
that
their
inclusion
on
this
board
would
be
in
in
the
benefit
of
all
nevada,
and
then,
additionally,
we
are
in
support
of
this
measure
because
it
is
great
to
get
some
voice
on
this
board.
H
The
chairman
is
conveyed
to
me
that
it
is
crucial
that
not
only
should
we
have
a
voice,
but,
as
assemblyman
anderson
has
indicated,
it'd
be
great
to
have
a
voting
member
on
the
board
as
well,
not
just
a
a
vocal
member,
but
a
member
that
could
actually
vote
additionally.
So
thank
you,
assemblywoman
anderson,
for
bringing
up
that
point
and
chairwoman
davis
would
also
like
to
state
that
they
are
in
support
of
this,
but
they
would
also
support
a
voting
member
even
more
so.
Thank
you
very
much
have
a
good
day.
G
J
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
jake
tibbetts,
that's
j,
a
k,
e
t
I
b
b,
I
t
t
s
and
I'm
the
natural
resources
manager
for
eureka
county
and,
as
mr
donohue
mentioned
earlier,
I'm
also
the
current
chairman
of
slupec,
and
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that.
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
eureka
county,
not
flupac,
has
a
body.
Eureka
county
does
support
this
bill
and
like
to
see
it
move
forward,
and
I
will
attest
that
mr
donahue
is
correct.
J
That
slupec
has
pushed
this
forward
as
a
body
as
chairman
of
the
the
council,
I
am
happy
to
bring
up
the
issues
identified
today
next
week,
at
our
meeting
and
from
eureka
county's
perspective.
We
would
fully
support
empowering
that
new
seat
representing
the
tribal
interest
to
have
a
voting
role
on
the
council,
so
eureka
county
would
support
demanding
that
language
into
the
bill.
J
I'd
also
like
to
just
quickly
address
the
issues
related
to
the
representation
on
the
council.
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
understand
that
the
legislature
has
already
provided
land
use
planning
authority
to
at
the
local
level,
and
one
of
the
greatest
things
about
this
council
is
on
every
agenda.
We
have
a
round
table
basic
discussion
talking
about
various
issues
and
the
rural
communities
learn
so
much
from
our
urban
partners
on
the
council
as
well
as
I.
J
Also
in
nrs
chapter
278,
which
is
the
planning
statutes.
The
the
legislature
has
granted
that
authority
to
local
counties
to
represent
themselves
in
interest
related
to
public
land.
So
again,
having
that
seat
of
every
county
on
the
council
allows
us
all
to
learn
together
and
move
forward.
The
council
typically
we're
an
advisory
council.
I
think
that's
important
too,
that
we
provide
advice
back
to
agencies,
including
state
and
federal
agencies,
and
our
our
goal
is
to
work
together
and
get
the
betterment
of
nevada
as
a
whole
and
to
work
by
consensus
whenever
possible.
So
very
seldom.
J
If
ever
that
I
can
remember,
we've
ever
had
split
votes
or
decisions
moving
forward.
We
try
to
have
a
common
voice,
moving
forward
on
a
lot
of
these
issues
and
hope
to
retain
the
same
and
with
that
again
looking
forward
to
pursuing
this
and
pushing
it
forward
and
looking
at
amendments
that
can
make
this
work
for
everybody.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
A
G
B
Good
morning,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
this
is
marla:
mcdade
williams,
m,
a
r
l,
a
m
c
capital
d,
a
d
e
w.
I
l,
l,
I
a
m
s
with
strategies
360
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
the
reno
sparks
indian
colony,
the
reno
sparks
indian
colony
supports
ab52,
and
we
want
to
extend
our
appreciation
to
the
members
of
the
land
use
planning
advisory
council
to
mr
donohue
and
in
particular,
to
mr
kerry
for
recognizing
an
opportunity
to
increase
communication
between
county
and
tribal
issues.
A
G
H
A
G
K
K
O
s-t-a-c-e-y-m-o-n-t-o-o
t
h
on
behalf
of
the
nevada,
indian
commission,
I
would
like
to
express
our
support
for
ab52,
the
nevada
indian
commission
is
focused
on
developing
and
improving
collaboration,
cooperation
and
communication
between
our
27
tribal
nations,
bands
and
colonies,
state
local
governments
and
related
agencies
with
the
purpose
of
improving
the
quality
of
life
for
the
first
steward
of
this
land.
My
native
american
relative
that
is
tackled
through
education,
employment,
health,
well-being
and
socioeconomic
programs
for
nevada's
american
indian
citizens,
while
enhancing
tribal
sovereignty,
economic
development
and
community
development.
K
Again
our
27
federally
recognized
tribal
nations
within
nevada.
Make
up
our
indian
reservations
bans
colonies.
They
all
have
their
own
land
use
plan
and
natural
resource
needs
throughout
nevada.
There
are
over
5
million
acres
of
land
that
tribal
nations
own
and
develop
and
manage
managed
land
use
planning
activities.
K
Each
tribal
nation
in
nevada
is
unique.
We
have
our
own
traditions
that
have
spanned
generations.
The
commission
feels
that
it's
important
that
these
perspectives
are
included
on
the
state
land
use
planning
advisory
council
as
nevada
continues
to
grow
and
plan
for
its
future.
It's
important
that
tribal
nations
can
better
collaborate
with
state
and
local
governments
across
the
state
on
land
and
planning
use
issues.
K
In
conclusion,
on
behalf
of
the
nevada,
indian
commission,
I
want
to
extend
my
appreciation
first
to
chair
flores,
of
course,
to
mr
donohue
and
mr
carey
and
to
director
brad
crowl.
The
nevada
department
of
conservation
and
natural
resources
has
kept
our
agency
informed
of
the
creation
and
the
development
of
this
bdr.
K
A
G
A
You,
if
we
could
please
have
our
sponsors,
come
back
and
any
closing
remarks
you
may
have.
E
Sure
floors,
charlie
donahue,
for
the
record,
I'd
like
to
just
thank
you
and
the
committee
members
for
engaging
in
the
conversation
and
the
support
that
members
of
the
community
have
afforded
ab50
to
so.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
A
A
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
out
public
comment.
Members
tomorrow
we'll
be
meeting
at
9
a.m.
We
have
two
presentations
from
clark,
county
and
the
city
of
reno.
Please
be
prepared
with
questions.
I
anticipate
us
having
a
good
conversation
with
them.
Thank
you,
members.
This
meeting's
adjourned.