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A
E
G
G
A
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
today's
meeting
of
the
assembly
of
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure.
Today
we
have
three
presentations
from
various
organizations,
including
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
from
the
attorney
general's
office,
the
nevada
taxi
cab
authority
and
the
western
states
petroleum
association.
A
A
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A
A
That
address
also
appears
on
our
committee
page
on
nellis,
and
so
with
that,
let's
move
on
to
our
first
presentation
of
the
day,
we
will
welcome
mr
ernest
figueroa,
who
is
a
consumer
advocate
at
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
within
the
office
of
the
attorney
general's
office.
H
Good
afternoon
everybody
for
the
record,
my
name
is
ernest
figueroa.
I
am
currently
the
nevada
consumer
advocate
just
a
brief
history,
about
a
biography
shortcutting
by
myself.
H
I've
been
with
the
office
of
the
attorney
general
since
2001
and,
in
fact
this
week
marks
my
20th
anniversary
with
the
state
and
with
the
office
and
during
those
past
20
years,
I've
worked
primarily
in
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
practicing
in
areas
of
deceptive
trade,
unfair
trade
practices
and
utility
regulation,
and
with
that
being
said,
if
had
it
been
for,
had
it
not
been
for
covent
pandemic,
I
would
have
met
some
of
you
through
the
legislative
legislature
process
in
carson
city,
so
nice
to
meet
all
of
you
and
congratulations
on
all
of
you
on
your
elections
with
that
being
said,
I
do
have
a
presentation
for
you.
A
H
So
hopefully
you
can
see
my
screen
and
you
can
hear
me,
but
a
brief
history
of
the
office
of
the
consumer
advocate
for
public
utility
consumers
over
the
over
the
years.
H
You
know
some
of
some
of
you
may
not
remember,
but
I
certainly
remember
in
my
youth
there
was
a
lot
of
energy
issues
going
around
in
the
early
1970s.
There
was
talks
about
the
oil
embargoes
and
a
lot
of
people
were
just
frustrated
with
the
increases
in
rates
and
things
of
that
nature.
H
Now
nevada
is
unique,
as
I
said
before,
there's
a
lot
of
offices
across
the
nation
that
have
utility
consumer
advocates,
but
we're
unique
in
the
sense
that
the
office
is
actually
housed
in
the
nevada
attorney
general's
office.
H
And
if
you
you
know
for
reference
on
my
slideshow,
you
can
see
the
different
states
that
have
the
consumer
advocate
offices
in
in
the
ag
and
in
other
places
it's
located
in
the
in
the
public
utilities,
commission
and
other
places.
It's
an
arm
of
the
executive
branch
in
somewhere
in
some
spare
shape
or
form
the
authority
from
my
office
is
contained
currently
in
nrs228,
along
with
the
attorney
general
statutory
authority,.
H
What's
interesting
to
note
in
1997
was
nevada's
first
forward
four-way
and
attempt
to
deregulate
the
state,
and
at
that
time
the
consumer
advocate
fred
schmidt,
either
sponsored
legislation
or
had
legislation
passed
or
nevada,
passed
legislation
to
expand
the
office
of
the
consumer
advocate
and
basically
move
the
deceptive
trade
practice
enforcement
and
the
anti-trust
enforcement
into
one
cohesive
unit,
so
that
in
the
event
the
state
was
deregulated
that
the
office
could
then
look
at
the
deregulated
entities
under
all
powers
of
the
attorney
general,
so
the
my
office
was
brought
in
and
it
provided
us
a
lot
of
power.
H
So
one
of
the
also
by
statute.
Here's
a
just
a
brief
background
of
what
the
requirements
are
to
be
the
utilities
consumer
advocate
and
it's
mostly
utility
regulatory
related.
But
obviously
you
have
to
be
knowledge
in
the
various
areas
of
regulated.
Public
utilities
have
to
be
independent,
with
no
interest
in
any
public
public,
publicly
regulated
utility
or
industry.
H
H
A
lot
of
this
presentation
is
geared
towards
our
utility
side
of
the
house
and
with
regards
to
our
utility
side
of
the
house,
the
bcp
and
the
consumer
advocate
has
12
budgeted
staff
positions
dedicated
to
protecting
the
interests
of
rate
payers
and
they're
housed.
Some
of
our
outfits,
some
of
our
employees,
our
house
and
carson,
are
in
carson
city
and
the
rest
are
in
las
vegas.
H
H
It's
important
to
note
that,
besides
attorneys,
I
have
accountants,
economists
and
engineers
on
staff
to
help
me
vet
utility
applications
and
then
finally,
I
also
have
the
authority
to
hire
outside
consultants
and
regulatory
experts
in
the
need
and
the
necessity
if
I
ever
have
to
intervene
in
a
public
utilities.
Commission
matter
where
I
don't
have
the
internal
in-house
expertise.
H
Another
important
thing
to
note
is
the
jurisdiction
of
the
consumer
advocate.
I
have
the
authority
to
participate
in
any
proceeding
before
the
pucn
involving
a
public
utility
and
obviously
there's
some
cases
that
there
are
some
exemptions
that
make
an
entire
sense,
railroads
utility
cooperatives
and
and
certain
criminal
proceedings
in
the
event
that
there's
some
criminal
proceedings
that
that
involve
a
public
utility,
it's
kind
of
an
esoteric
area.
H
It
also
provides
me
the
authority
to
to
participate
in
any
matter
before
any
board,
commission
or
agency,
which
could
have
been
brought
before
the
pucn
and
the
most
important
part
there
is.
The
office
has
in
the
past
and
most
recently
have
been
involved
in
certain
in
certain
ferc
proceedings
to
try
to
protect
the
interest
of
nevada
rate
payers
at
the
federal
level
and
with
some
success.
H
The
statutes
also
require
that
I
have
to
intervene
in
all
general
rate
cases
of
an
electric
utility.
I
have
to
intervene
in
any
deferred
energy
accounting
proceeding
for
any
electric
utility.
I
have
to
intervene
in
any
and
this
is
kind
of
an
esoteric
area.
It
was
this
last
provision
was
put
in
in
the
event
of
deregulation,
but
any
proceeding
brought
by
an
electric
utility
just
to
dispose
of
its
generating
assets.
H
And
then,
in
addition-
and
this
is
the
part
that
sometimes
utilities
seem
to
forget,
but
I
also
have
the
same
authority
as
the
public
utilities
commission
to
subpoena
the
records
exactly
the
same
authority
that
the
pucn
has
the
next
part
of
the
slide
you
can
see.
I
also
can
intervene
in
ray
cases
of
natural
gas
and
larger
water
utilities.
H
I
can
intervene
in
integrated
research
plans
for
the
electric
and
water
utilities
and
I
can
intervene
in
in
cases
involving
the
704b
exits
that
were
that
were
happening
a
lot
in
the
past
number
of
years,
and
I
also
participate
in
rule
makings
before
the
public
utilities
commission
and
it's
important
to
note
that,
while
the
statute
gives
me
discretion
generally,
my
office
has
made
an
attempt
to
try
to
intervene
in
these
permissive
cases
if
and
when
they
are
before
the
public
utilities.
Commission.
H
And
you
know
part
of
the
mission
of
the
bcp
besides
representing
the
public
rate
payers,
as
I
said
before,
we
also
enforce,
except
the
trade
practice
statute,
which
is
contained
in
nrs
598,
and
we
also
enforce
our
anti-anti-trust
statute,
which
is
contained
in
nrs
598-a,
and
we
also
participate
in
consumer
outreach
and
education.
H
You
know
some
recent
examples
of
some
successes
that
we've
had
as
a
unit
as
a
whole.
You
know
we've
secured
settlements
with
companies
that
have
violated
our
nevada,
deceptive
trade
practices
act
over
the
past
years
and
some
you
know,
representative
actions
include
a
recent
one
with
nation
star
and
local
mortgage
loan
servicer
that
was
recently
announced.
We
secured
a
settlement
with
apple
concerning
misrepresentations
regarding
changes
to
its
operating
system
and
depletions
of
people's
batteries.
H
H
We
also
participated
in
various
data
breed
settlements.
Over
the
past
number
of
years,
there's
been
a
significant
number
of
data
breaches
throughout
the
united
states,
and
you
can
see
home
depot
anthem,
community
health
systems,
safer,
hospitality
solutions
have
all
we've
entered
into
agreements
with
them
to
to
a
basically
to
to
implement
enforceable
agreements
to
prevent
these
types
of
data
breaches
from
happening
again
and
to
make
sure
that
these
companies
are
doing
everything
that
they
can
to
protect
our
sensitive
private
information
that
they
they
possess.
H
Most
recently
during
the
summer
attorney
general
four
tasked
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
to
process
and
resolve
consumer
complaints
pertaining
to
the
eviction
moratorium
in
nevada
during
the
pandemic,
and
then
also
the
bcp
played
an
integral
part
in
the
last
general
rate
case
that
nevada
power
filed,
which
resulted
in
the
refund
to
120
million
dollars
to
the
southern
nevada
rate
payers
in
2020
and
then.
H
Finally,
we
we
also
still
are
a
standing
member
of
the
national
association
of
attorneys
general
foreclosure
working
group
as
a
result
of
catherine
masto's
efforts.
We
meet
and
convene
on
a
regular
basis
and
talk
about
foreclosure
prevention
activities
with
our
sister
states
and
then.
Finally,
as
I
said
before,
we
part
of
our
duties
is
to
do
consumer
education
and
outreach,
and
we've
partnered
both
with
the
bbb
and
aarp,
and
do
various
scan
awareness
prevention
presentations
throughout
the
year.
H
And
some
examples
of
our
efforts
in
a
public
utilities
case
you
know.
Recently,
the
power
company
has
filed
numerous
integrated
resource
plan
amendments.
You
know
when
these
applications
come
through
the
the
public
utilities
commission.
As
I
said
before,
I
I
permissively
intervene.
In
these
cases.
I
assign
a
team
of
experts
whether
they
be
accountants,
engineers,
economists,
we
vet
the
applications
to
make
sure
that
the
utility
has
docked
their
eyes
and
crossed
their
t's
for
those
attorneys
in
the
in
in
in
the
audience
when
it
says
dr's.
H
Those
are
data
requests
which
are
similar
to
requests
for
production
and
interrogatories.
So
for
one
case,
as
you
can
see,
we
issued
158
separate
data
requests
and
then
we
analyze
the
information.
We
prepare
testimony
and
we
and
we
take
position
in
front
of
the
pucn
and
then
the
utility
has
the
right
and
duty
to
do
the
same
thing
to
us.
H
So
they
we
responded
to
three
data
requests
from
the
utilities
in
the
irp
representative
of
the
nevada
power
rate
case,
the
one
that
resulted
in
a
120
million
dollar
refund
the
bcp
issued
146
data
requests
from
our
various
consultants
and
experts,
basically
analyzing
their
financial
records,
their
engineering
records,
their
accounting
records
and
things
of
that
nature
to
make
sure
that
rate
payers
are
being
protected
and
then,
similarly,
in
the
southwest
gas
generate
case
that
was
filed
in
2018,
the
vcp
issued
166
data
requests
and
responded
to
one
data
request
that
you
know.
H
One
of
the
things
that
I
I
like
to
talk
about-
and
it's
probably
pretty
relevant
today-
is
how
important
electricity
and
energy
is
for
consumers
as
a
whole.
You
know,
sometimes
we
tend
to
forget
that
modern
life,
electricity
is
a
you
know,
necessary
commodity.
You
needed
to
to
to
pump
water.
You
needed
to
cool
down
your
air.
H
All
sorts
of
things
are
are
done
with
electricity,
so
it's
pretty.
You
know
it's
it's
it's
pretty
a
modern
necessity
for
for
modern
day
life
and
in
fact,
in
1978.
Even
though,
that's
almost
40
years
ago,
the
u.s
supreme
court
found
that
utility
service
is
a
necessity
of
modern
life
and
that
discontinues
chile's
service
may
threaten
public
health
and
safety.
You
know
as
we're
witnessing
our
sister
state
texas,
you
know,
there's
some
issues
going
on
there
and
everyone's
seeing
the
after
effects.
What
happens
when
people
lose
energy
and
power.
H
You
know,
and
we
have
some
special
considerations
for
the
state
of
nevada.
You
know
because
we're
a
large
state
separated
by
many
miles.
You
know
southern
nevada,
ratepayers
for
those
who
live
in
southern
nevada,
know
that
your
electricity
bill
goes
up
when
the
summer
hits,
and
vice
versa,
for
northern
nevada
people's
energy
costs
increase
when
the
cold
during
the
cold
months.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
an
interesting.
An
interesting
note.
H
What's
what's
even
more
interesting
or
something
to
consider
is
in
southern
nevada
during
the
summer
months,
when
people
have
no
choice
but
to
turn
their
air
conditioner
on.
Is
that,
because
you
know
be
pre-pandemic,
we
were
a
24-hour
town
and
people
were
different
shifts.
You
know
people
a
lot
of
our
ratepayers
literally,
have
no
control
of
when
they're
home
and
when
they're
going
to
turn
around
their
air
conditioner,
depending
on
what
kind
of
whether
they
work
the
swing,
shift,
the
graveyard
shift
or
a
regular
shift.
H
It
all
varies
from
from
time
to
time.
So
it's
very
important
that
that
you
keep
that
in
mind.
Here's
some
ratepayer
statistics
that
you
probably
heard
already.
If
you
had
presentations
from
the
electric
chilies,
I
won't-
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
them,
but
it's
just
worth
to
note
that
there
are
over
1.1
million
electric
residential
rate
pairs
in
nevada
800
in
the
south
and
300
in
the
north,
and
you
know
the
average
daily
temperature
in
las
vegas
reaches
140
degrees.
H
Obviously
those
in
southern
divided
know
this
very
well.
I
used
to
live
there
for
seven
years
and
I
live
in
northern
nevada.
So
now
I
I
know
that
northern
nevada
is
very
cold
and
then
just
in
2015,
the
average
single
family
residential
bill
was
around
242
dollars.
H
I
know
these
statistics
are
a
little
stale.
I
was
making
an
attempt
to
try
to
get
them
updated,
but
I
wasn't
able
to
do
so
in
time
for
this
presentation
other
things
to
consider
according
to
a
inside
energy
article
and
again
I
find
this
very
interesting,
low-income
households,
you
know,
and
that's
defined-
by
below
50
of
the
federal
poverty
level
in
washoe
county
they
spend
you
know
roughly
18,
almost
18
percent
of
their
income
on
energy
and
in
clark
county.
H
You
know
that's
almost
7.2
percent
of
their
income,
energy
and
then
several
years
ago,
and
I
have
a
citation
at
the
end
of
this
presentation.
But
several
years
ago,
nevada
energy
did
a
low-income
study,
and
this
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
they
had
found
that
you
know
28.4
of
low-income
persons,
find
it
very
difficult
to
pay
their
bills
or
the
last
12
months
and
16.6
individuals
pay
most
of
all
their
utility
bills
late.
Obviously
this
is
when
they
did
the
study.
H
This
was
done
several
years
ago.
This
does
not
take
into
account
any
cover
related
issues,
but
it's
still
significant
to
show
and
then
another
important
point
that
I'd
like
to
cite
you
as
aarp,
did
a
study
and
and
found
that
utility
rates
are
are
very
important
to
people,
but
sometimes
they
can
get
so
high
that
it
causes
a
lot
of
ratepayers
to
choose
between
food
medicine
and
have
even
caused
foreclosure
and
again
a
citation
to
the
aarp
studies.
H
At
the
end
of
my
presentation
again,
you
know
some
of
the
same
articles
basically
saying
that
energy
energy
rates
have
a
have
a
cascading
effect
on
vital
living
expenses.
Health
and
safety
issues,
things
of
that
nature.
You
know
unaffordable.
H
Electric
bills,
you
know,
can
pose
a
health
and
safety
issue
for
the
elderly
medically
challenged,
especially
you
know
those
in
southern
nevada
due
to
our
hot
weather
and
then
another
thing-
and
this
is
a
also
contained
in
the
arp
aarp
study-
is
that
excessive
utility
cost
you
know
is
a
one
of
the
largest
costs
that
elderly
people
face
and
and
it
it
causes
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
burden
to
to
people
if
they're,
excessive
and
unaffordable.
H
So
you
know
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity.
I
consider
a
great
honor
to
allow
me
to
do
this
short
and
brief
presentation
to
the
people's
house
and
you
as
a
policy
makers.
I
I
ask
that
you
consider
these
things
as
you
consider
energy
lettuce,
legis
legislation
this
session.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
and
I'm
sure
you
hear
this
all
the
time
you
know.
H
Is
there
a
problem
with
the
current
mechanism
and
or
solution
that
needs
to
be
considered.
You
know,
as
I
said
before,
when
these
types
of
cases
where
energy
cases
are
presented
for
the
public
utilities,
commission
in
nevada,
they're
vetted
by
our
expert
accountants,
our
expert
engineers,
we
issue
these
data
requests
and
it's
not
just
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection,
it's
also
the
pucn
staff
and
other
large
interveners
who
have
a
a
stake
in
the
game.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
that
goes
on
before
the
public
utilities.
H
Commission
so
and
by
the
same
token,
our
statutes.
Our
energy
status
container
contained
in
nrs703
and
704,
have
over
have
evolved
over
100
years
and
basically
contain
things
that
empower
the
the
public
utilities.
Commission
and
I
call
them
consumer
protections.
Part
of
the
probably
utilities
conditions
to
consider
and
allow
me
to
make
the
arguments
that
certain
things
that
the
utility
is
seeking
are
not
just
reasonable
or
will
cause
rate
shock
or
basically.
H
You
know
cause
rate
shock
and
and
prevent
utilities
commission
from
establishing
just
in
reasonable
rates,
and
then
the
second
thing
I
want
you
to
consider,
as
you
analyze
legislation
is
you
know,
are:
are
the
utilities
trying
to
undermine
a
certain
consumer
protection,
that's
embedded
in
statute
in
case
lot,
you
know.
Some
of
the
things
I
mentioned
before
was
adjusting
reasonable
prudency
rate
shock
is
a
is
a
concept
that
the
phen
can
consider
and
then
and
then.
Finally,
how
will
you
know?
H
How
much
will
this
legislation
cost
and
who
will
pay
for
it?
H
You
know
keeping
in
mind
all
the
you
know,
vulnerable
populations
that
I
mentioned
before
there's
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
I
don't
envy
you
in
your
position
as
policy
makers,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
a
piece
of
energy
legislation
comes
through
there's,
obviously
some
potential
cost
associated
with
it,
and
what's
what's
interesting
to
note
about
that,
is
this:
this
is
one
of
the
few
committees
where
costs
is
and
and
and
its
effects
are
not
considered
by
a
monetary
committee.
H
Once
it's
passed,
it's
passed
and
it
has
an
impact
on
rates
once
the
you
know
once
the
legislation
is
is
is
authorized
so
with
that
being
said,
I
was
going
to
have
a
team
with
me,
but
having
seen
and
the
difficulties
of
coordinating
with
the
three
separate
people
with
three
different
computers
in
three
separate
places,
I
opted
to
do
the
presentation
myself,
but
during
this
legislative
session
I'm
going
to
have
the
assistance
of
mark
krueger
he's
a
chief
deputy
in
my
unit.
H
H
D
D
We
look
at
some
of
the
utility
oversight
and
consumer
protection,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
that
you
do
across
spheres
to
protect
consumers
in
this
state,
and
I
appreciate
it
I'm
going
to
sound
like
a
broken
record
to
some
of
my
fellow
members
here,
but
we've
gotten
some
presentations
from
other
agencies
and
in
this
and
other
commit
committees,
and
we
heard
here
from
the
public
utilities,
commission
and
the
department
of
transportation
about
some
of
their
efforts
to
address
climate
change
and
incorporate
that
into
the
planning
and
activities
of
their
agencies.
D
So
my
question
is,
I
guess,
first
of
all:
does
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
consider
the
the
effects
of
climate
change
in
in
its
activities
and
in
the
positions
that
it
takes
at
the
public
utilities?
Commission.
H
Ernest
figueroa
for
the
record
great
question,
mr
watson.
Thank
you
for
the
acknowledgement
of
the
efforts
that
the
vcp
does.
But
in
answer
your
question,
the
short
answer
is
yes,
but
we
do
take
into
account
a
climate
change
in
in
our
arguments
that
we
present
before
the
public
utilities.
Commission,
you
know
I'm
I'm
in
a
little
different
situation
than
the
pucn
with
regards
to
regulated
utility
matters.
H
I
view
my
job
as
to
present
arguments
for
the
public
utility
for
the
pucn
to
consider
and
ultimately
it's
the
pucn
that
has
to
basically
take
all
the
input
from
all
the
interveners
myself
included
and
then
parse
and
figure
out
what's
best
in
the
public
interest
and,
ultimately,
what
would
result
in
just
just
reasonable
rates.
D
Thanks,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
don't
really
have
a
follow-up
question.
You
answered
it
and
I'm
just
glad
to
hear
and
hope
you
continue
to
to
look
at
that
in
the
arguments
that
you
put
forward
and
the
vcp's
participation
in
this
process,
because,
as
we
both
know,
the
long-term
costs
of
not
taking
action
on
climate,
both
financial
health
and
otherwise
are
going
to
be
borne
by
consumers,
particularly
lower
income,
consumers
and
consumers
of
color
who
you've
been
fighting
for
in
in
other
realms.
D
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
bureau
is
is
factoring
that
into
the
arguments
that
they're
putting
forward
and
hope
to
see
that
continue
and
grow.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
E
E
My
utility
bills
were
definitely
higher
because
I
was
spending
more
time
at
home
and
not
at
the
office.
So
you
know
I
was
spending
a
lot
of
extra
money
to
cool
my
residence
and
then
my
telecommunications
use,
particularly
my
devices
internet.
I
think
that's,
probably
a
common
occurrence
where
people
are
using
a
lot
more
data
during
the
pandemic.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
those
two
things
had
any
sort
of
impact
in
what
you
guys
are
doing.
E
I
mean,
I
know
normally
you're
waiting
for
you,
know
regulatory
agencies
to
act
in
some
way
and
then
you're
going
to
intervene
and
make
arguments
for
consumers.
But
I
wondered
if
that
had
any
impact
on
what
you're
doing
or
if
you
had
any
observations
on
on
those
two
facts.
If
indeed
they
are
true
statewide.
H
Ernest
figaro
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question,
mr
yeager.
Yes,
in
fact
you
know
not
mentioned
in
you
know,
I
I
it's
unfortunate
that
you
you.
I
condensed
everything
with
the
just
the
data
requests,
but
you
know
each
and
every
case
that
was
presented
before
the
public
utilities.
H
Commission,
you
know,
as
as
everyone
knows,
it's
had
a
traumatic
effect
on
our
economy,
on
people's
employment
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
you
know,
as
I
said
before,
my
job
is
to
put
forth
arguments
before
the
public
utilities
commission
and
any
instance
where
there
was
a
potential
for
increasing
rates
because,
as
you
mentioned
before,
people
have
no
choice
to
but
to
be
at
home
and
you,
you
know
additional
costs
that
would
have
been
offloaded
to
you
know
your
your
place
of
employment,
for
example,
you're,
observing
those
costs
because
you're
wearing
expect
to
be
home,
but
anyways
with
that
being
said,
any
place
where
there's
a
potential
for
increasing
rates,
no
matter
what
we
also
put
forth
information
and
arguments
for
the
piece
and
consider
to
take
into
account
the
effects
of
kova
that
it's
had
on
the
economy
and
people
being
out
of
work
and
things
of
that
nature.
H
So,
yes,
we
and
we
will
continue
to
do
so.
You
know
one
of
one
of
it
may
seem
sometimes
when
I
participate
in
in
in
these
utility
doc
dockets
that
hey,
you
know,
look
at
the
weird
position
that
consumer
advocates
taking
or
whatever
you
know,
but,
as
you
said
before,
my
job
is
to
put
forth
these
arguments.
No
matter
as
as
long
as
they're,
I
put
forth
good
faith
arguments
for
the
pucn
to
consider
the
pucn.
Those
three
commissioners
have
a
difficult
job,
basically
parsing
all
the
information
and.
H
F
F
H
Ernest
figaro
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question
with
regards
to
utility-related
matters,
most
of
the
dockets
that
either
have
an
impact
to
rate
payers
in
general.
There
are
what's
called
mandatory
consumer
sessions
and
that's
where
our
ratepayers
come
forth
and
have
the
opportunity
to
voice
their
personal
opinions
as
to
a
certain
proceeding
before
the
public
utilities.
Commission,
in
addition
to
those
specific
consume
consumer
sessions
which
the
bcp
participates
in.
H
In
addition
to
those,
the
pucn
also
holds
annual
general
consumer
sessions,
where
the
public
is
allowed
to
provide
input
on
anything
within
the
regulated
space
before
the
public
utilities,
commission
in
nevada
and
as
a
frequent
intervener
before
the
pucn.
We
are
at
all
consumer
sessions.
We
send
staff
there
to
take
notes
to
interface
with
any
ratepayer
that
shows
up
and
and
complains
we
often
in
addition
to
the
pcn.
H
We
also
interface
with
the
public
at
that
at
those
events,
and
that's
that's
our
primary
our
primary
source
for
input
to
help
shape
to
help
shape
our
arguments
before
the
public
utilities.
Commission-
and
I
hope
I
answer
your
question.
F
Yes,
on
a
on
a
larger
scale,
but
I
would
like
to
maybe
dive
into
so.
If
you
survive
as
a
paid,
a
rate
payer
had
a
concern
or
identified
an
issue
that
I
thought
needed
some
advocacy.
Do
you
have
a
method
for
me
to
reach
out
to
you
to
talk
about
that
issue
and,
and
what
is
does
that?
Is
that
always
consumer
driven
rather
than
your
office,
driven
because
it
sounds
like
most
of
the
meetings
are
solicited
by
the
pucn
themselves
for
public
input.
F
H
Let
me
just
preface
this
by
saying
that
you
know
there
that
most
in
I
hate
to
speak
in
generalities,
but
in
this
instance,
probably
is
the
best
when,
when,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
most
people
have
an
issue
with
their
bill
and
the
regulated
utility,
the
the
pucn,
as
I
like
to
call
it
is
the
is
the
first
responder
in
those
instances
they
actually
man
a
constituent
response
units
specifically
to
help
mediate
between
the
the
ratepayer
and
the
public,
regulated
utility.
H
We
do
interface
on
a
regular
basis
with
the
pucn
and
their
constituent
response
services
oftentimes.
If
there's
an
issue
that
isn't
not
that
situation
that
you
just
that
I
described,
but
it's
something
different.
They
know
to
reach
out
and
they
direct
them
to
the
bcp.
H
If
there's
a
specific
issue
that
wants
to
be,
you
know
that's
concerning
to
somebody
you
know,
or
over
the
years
we've
we've
had,
you
know
very
sophisticated.
H
The
ratepayers,
you
know,
bring
forth
issues
that
they
see
in
dockets
to
to
to
the
bcp
and
and
there's
so
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is:
yes,
we
we
do
take
those
we
can
take
those
we
do
have
a
mechanism
in
in
the
attorney
general's
office
by
which
to
get
complaints
routed
to
the
vcp
that
are
that
are
referenced,
that
reference
utility
related
matters.
We
also
have
established
contracts
with.
H
Our
congressional
offices
and
and
and
federal
representatives,
to
the
extent
that
they
have
a
utility-related
matter
that
needs
to
be
brought
to
our
attention.
We
interface
with
them.
So
there's
all
different
ways.
We
get
this
information,
so
we
get
it
from
the
pucn.
H
C
Madam
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
very
detailed
presentation.
My
question
is
really,
I
think,
a
follow-up
on
my
colleague
and
really
it's
about.
How
are
we
getting
two
consumers
so
that
they
know
that
you're
there
and
and
the
question
that
that
I
have
posed
to
a
number
of
our
presenters
over
the
course
of
the
last
week
or
so
has
been
really
relative
to
in
multiple
languages?
Are
you
presenting
information
to
people
who
are
not
primarily
english
speaking?
Is
there
accessibility?
How
are
we
reaching
those
underserved
populations?
C
I
noted
in
your
presentation
on
slide
nine
in
particular
that
you
partner,
specifically
with
a
better
business
bureau
and
aarp,
so
we
know
that
you're
you're
reaching
the
345
000
members
as
we
quoted
the
other
day
by
our
aarp
representative.
How
are
we
reaching
them?
The
broader
base
population,
so
that
they
know.
H
You're
ernest
figaro
for
the
record-
and
this
is
where
it's
nice
to
have
had
this
comprehensive
unit
that
was
established
in
1997.
as
part
of
our
efforts
and
forcing
the
our
deceptive
trade
practice
statute.
We
do
a
lot
of
outreach
concerning
us
scams
and
and
such
and
and
and
and
such
related
things.
You
know
we
formed
partnerships
with
our
legal
aides.
We
farmed
partnerships
with,
as
I
said
before,
the
bbb
aerp,
the
pucn.
H
We
formed
all
these
partnerships
that
we
leverage
to
help
get
get
the
word
out
of
who
we
are,
how
we
can
help
not
just
utility
consumers,
but
consumers
as
a
whole.
You
know
we
made
efforts
to.
H
Alter
our
our
ag
complaint
forms
that
are
on
our
website
to
you,
know,
accommodate
multiple
languages,
and
you
know,
through
the
attorney
general's,
a
home,
again
program
that
was
related
to
the
mortgage
crisis
of
2008.
That's
still
in
existence.
We
we've
created
a
number
of
publications
dealing
with
certain
events
and
scams
that
have
touched
different
types
of
communities.
You
know
like
the
issue
of
notarios,
for
example,
you
know
we
we
we
made
it.
H
I
think
we
made
an
attempt
to
get
that
that
information
either
translated
in
multiple
different
languages.
Not
you
know
not
just
spanish,
but
we
reached
out
to
different
minority
communities
and
associations
for
that
assistance.
I
believe
we
even
had
the
free
assistance
from
from
from
some
some
kind
individuals
who
provided
that
to
our
office.
So
you
know
you
know,
while
we've
done
these
things,
I
I'm
I'm
sure
that
we
could
do
better
and,
and
frankly,
you
know
we
should
do
better.
H
We
we
could
do
it
better,
but
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
difficult
thing.
So
we
try
it's
on
our
radar,
but
I
know
we
can
do
better.
A
A
G
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
vice
chair
watts,
distinguished
members
of
the
committee,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
scott
whittemore
and
I'm
the
administrator
here
at
the
nevada
tax
cab
authority.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
out
of
your
busy
schedule
to
present
to
this
committee.
I
will
be
judicious
with
your
time.
I've
got
a
presentation
here,
I'm
going
to
go
hopefully
not
too
fast,
but
please
make
a
note
and
I'm
absolutely
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
the
end.
G
There
are
some
interesting
policy
questions
here,
so
so,
madam
chair,
without
further
ado,
if
you
please
I'll,
go
ahead
and
start
that
presentation.
G
And
again,
scott
whitmore
for
the
record,
madam
chair,
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Can
the
members
of
the
committee
see
this
and
hear
me?
Okay?
G
Yes,
we
can
excellent
so
again,
scott
whitamar
for
the
record
with
the
nevada
tax
cab
authority.
This
is
my
now
third
legislative
session,
so
I
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
some
of
you
in
person.
This
is
my
second
legislative
session
here
with
the
nevada
tax
cab
authority
and
again
I
I
do
greatly
appreciate
the
time
always
to
present
to
this
committee.
You
guys
have
such
an
interesting
range
of
topics
to
cover
transportation
being
one
of
them
so
about
regulated
taxi
cabs
in
clark
county.
G
So
the
mission
of
the
the
taxi
cab
authority
is
to
provide
for
the
safety,
comfort
and
convenience
of
the
taxi
riding
public
through
the
regulation
of
the
taxi
cab
industry.
When
you
think
of
the
taxi
cab
authority,
it
is
my
fervent
wish
that
you
would
think
of
us
as
public
safety,
that
that
is
our
chief
and
primary
mission.
G
We
regulate
16
certificated
companies
with
those
companies.
The
3
530
medallions
las
vegas
works
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you
might
think
of
when
you
think
of
other
taxi
cab
medallions
that
are
owned
by
the
driver.
These
medallions
are
actually
allocated
by
the
taxi
cab
authority
board
to
those
16
certificated
companies,
so
they're
not
owned
individually
by
the
drivers.
G
We
do
annual
inspections
of
vehicles
and
we
have
6
000
vetted
drivers
who
have
to
go
through
an
fbi
finger
fingerprint
background
which,
which
is
their
federal
database,
obviously,
and
then
a
local
background,
scope,
law
enforcement
background
check
so
again,
so
our
three
primary
public
safety
functions
so
number
one.
We
vet
every
driver.
So
that's
a
local
and
federal
criminal
background
check.
G
We
inspect
every
single
vehicle
annually.
We
also
have
periodic
investigations
and
inspections
of
vehicles,
whether
they're
changes
to
the
car,
putting
new
meters
in
you
name,
it
we're
there
to
inspect
that
vehicle
and
then
third,
we
have
our
routine
patrol
in
our
targeted
enforcement
by
post-certified
peace
officers.
G
So
just
quickly,
why?
Why
do
we
have
regulations
for
taxi
cabs?
What
was
the
rationale
originally
and
you
can
see
some
great
throwback
pictures
there
of
las
vegas?
The
tax
cab
authority
has
been
here
since
1969,
so
I
believe,
that's
52
years,
so
taxi
regulations
exist
across
the
united
states
and-
and
these
are
these
are
broad
buckets,
but
it
prevents
every
single
person,
basically
with
a
phone
in
a
car
from
running
out
and
offering
taxi
service
and
and
the
regulations
were
created
because
it
one
prevented
economic
collapse.
G
It
prevents
unvetted
drivers
and
cars
on
the
road.
You
know,
like
I
said,
we're
inspecting
every
car,
we're
vetting
every
driver
and,
and
importantly,
it
prevents
congestion
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
that.
We
taxi
regulations
also
exist
to
provide
for
uniform
rates
and
fees,
and
it
prevents
a
race
to
the
bottom,
so
that
idea
of
economic
collapse.
G
If,
if
one
of
our
bigger
groups,
our
ownership
groups
decided
they
were
going
to
set
their
own
amount
and
say
they're
going
to
charge
10
cents
a
mile
and
somebody
else
is
charging
25
cents,
you
create
a
race
to
the
bottom,
where
it's
not
economically
viable
and
you're.
Just
pushing
you
know
smaller
competitors
out.
G
So
these
are
the
the
the
larger
regulatory
issues
as
to
why
and
how
taxis
have
been
regulated
in
in
throughout
the
united
states
and
then
obviously
we
exist
to
ensure
the
safety,
certainty
and
sustainability
of
service,
so
so
traffic.
Let's
just
talk
about
that
in
in
clark
county
and
specifically
on
the
las
vegas
strip.
This
is
a
big
issue.
Every
minute
that
a
visitor
spends
stuck
in
congested
traffic
is
a
minute
that
they
are
likely
unhappy.
They
they
don't
know
what
their
final
fare
is
going
to
be,
and
it's
costing
our
resorts
money.
G
G
So,
as
I
said,
there's
3530
approved
taxis
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this
point.
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
am
not
anti-uber
and
lyft.
My
staff
is
not
anti-uber
and
lyft.
This
is
merely
a
juxtaposition
between
the
taxis
that
have
been
allocated
and
and
what's
currently
on
the
road
in
terms
of
ride
share.
G
So
there's
15
000
estimated
ride
share
active
cars
in
in
clark
county
right
now,
pre
covid,
that
estimate
was
was
30,
000
plus
so
so
today,
you're
looking
at
4x
the
number
of
taxis
that
could
be
on
the
road
pre-covet,
it's
about
eight
and
a
half
times
the
amount
of
taxis
that
could
be
on
the
road.
G
So
some
of
the
headlines
that
that
you
know
what
this
agency
was
so
focused
on,
had
to
do
with
long-hauling
citations,
and
maybe
that's
something
that
you
remember
about
taxis
in
in
the
ta
and-
and
these
are
just
incredible
headlines
ever
get
the
feeling
las
vegas
cab.
Industry
is
long-hauling.
Regulators
from
the
marine
gazette
journal
signs
at
vegas
airport
aimed
to
curb
taxi
long
hauling
from
time
magazine.
This
was
a
national
story,
there's
just
no
stopping
las
vegas
taxi
drivers
from
overcharging
tourists.
G
I
mean
these
are
nightmare
headlines,
for
you
know
the
world's
most
dynamic
entertainment
capital
that
we
are
and,
and
so
again
this
was
something
that
the
ta
spent
hours
days
weeks
years
even
decades.
Trying
to
to
stop
was
this
issue
of
long
hauling,
and
you
can
see
that
3
300
in
citations,
so
it
was
not
for
a
lack
of
citing
drivers.
G
You
may
be
aware
that
in
december
of
2020,
just
pre-coveted
we
instituted
flat
fares.
This
was
a
months-long
process
of
workshopping
with
the
industry,
with
the
drivers
union
with
a
lot
of
input
from
the
public
as
to
how
do
we
once
and
for
all,
eliminate
long-hauling?
How
do
we
create
certainty?
So
so
these
are
the
arguments
for
why
we
we
enacted
flat
fares
from
las
vegas
airport
to
the
strip
and
back
to
las
vegas
airport.
So
it
provides
taxi
customers,
certainty,
so
there's
a
flat
fare.
G
They
know
it
ahead
of
time,
they're
not
going
to
pay
more
and
it
doesn't
matter
in
terms
of
which
route
they're
going
to
take.
It
just
gives
transparency
to
the
to
the
to
the
passenger.
It
reinforces
the
regulatory
model
because
it
creates
uniform
rates
and
it
levels
the
playing
field,
and
it
does
that
because
there
was
always
an
accusation
that
some
operations
were
encouraging,
long-hauling
and
so
you'd
have
this
tremendous
infighting,
no
you're,
cheating,
no
you're,
cheating
and,
and
it
was
bad
there.
G
The
dialogue
was
completely
broken,
and
so
by
having
flat
fares
in
in
zones
it
eliminates
that
and
or
it
levels
the
playing
field.
But
but
the
result
has
been
it's
it's
eliminated
long-hauling
and
that
was
has
been
proven
over
the
past
year.
We've
just
seen
that
complaint
disappear
and
it
was
again
the
primary
focus
of
of
you
know
every
call
into
our
dispatch
every
call
into
our
you
know:
front
office.
G
Every
call
you
know
was
a
complaint
typically
about
long-hauling,
and
then
this
allows
drivers
to
use
the
most
efficient
route
and
obviously
it
improves
customer
satisfaction
if
they
don't
feel
like
they're
being
cheated
and
that's
obviously,
a
very
important
role
for
any
regulatory
agency.
G
So
again,
here
are
the
flat
fair
zones
zone
three
up
there
at
the
top
flamingo
north
to
the
stratosphere,
27
and
again
these
are
from
the
airport
and
and
from
these
zones
to
the
airport,
tropicana
north
to
flamingo,
23.
and
then
zone.
One
is
19,
so
the
blue
area,
the
green
area
and
the
pink
area.
Those
are
all
one
two
and
three
and
and
those
and
I'm
going
quickly.
G
G
The
way
we
arrived
at
this
was
through
dt5,
smart
meter
data
and-
and
I
can't
say
enough
about
the
folks
at
captain
who
is
a
as
a
vendor
in
this
market
that
provided
this
data
through
the
industry
and
it
was
100
percent
transparent,
so
these
were
actual
rates.
These
were
real-time
data
and
we
literally
millions
of
trips
that
we
reviewed
to
come
up
with
these
numbers,
and
so
it
just
quickly
eighty-four
percent
of
the
tr,
the
trips
that
originated
at
the
airport,
go
to
the
las
vegas
strip.
G
41
of
those
routes
used
the
tunnel
so
going
from
the
airport
to
the
tunnel
to
the
215
to
the
15..
The
problem
with
that
is
it's
a
longer
route
and
drivers
knew
this
and
they
were.
They
were
pumping
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
Those
those
fares
up
and
that's
how
you
get
long
hauling.
If
the
passenger
doesn't
say,
take
me
on
that
route.
Well,
the
driver
knows
he's
going
to
get
a
higher
fare.
G
43
percent
of
those
trips
were
more
than
23.
25
and
23
of
those
trips
were
more
than
30.
and
again
this
was
data
that
was
provided
in
real
time
in
a
complete,
transparent
way,
so
that
we
were
able
to
with
confidence,
generate
those
zones
and
understand
that
we
were
being
very
fair
and
not
over
charging
the
consumer.
G
As
part
of
this
over
the
last
couple
years,
we
mandated
smart
meter
adoption
so
instead
of
your
standard
digital
meter,
what
what
this
has
done
is
it's
spurred
investment
by
the
by
the
16
companies.
It's
it's
driven
competition,
it's
driven
modernization,
and
so
as
part
of
it,
they
they
went
out
and
they've
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
ride-hailing
apps
they've
come
together
in
centralized
dispatch.
I
believe
85
percent
of
the
industry
is
now
on
on
centralized
dispatch.
G
The
smart
meters
will
give
gps
accuracy,
so
the
customer's
not
being
overcharged.
It
allows
for
audio
and
video
communication,
they've
gone
out
and
they've
improved
driver
training.
One
facility
has
this
incredible:
simulator
that
you're
you're,
literally
feeling
like
you're
in
a
taxicab
and
training
their
their
drivers
and
again
a
lot
of
this.
G
I
think
in
fairness
was
was
was
driven
by
uber
and
lyft
in
the
arrival
of
uber
uber
and
lyft
and
rideshare
for
for
taxis
to
to
move
into
a
much
more
modern
customer
facing
you
know,
operation
and,
ultimately,
what
we
tried
to
do
and
what
the
board
has
tried
to
do
since
since
I've
been
here,
is
really
foster
collaboration
for
a
long
time.
This
was
an
industry
that
was
just
plagued
by
infighting.
They
didn't
want
to
talk
to
each
other.
They
didn't
want
to
talk
to
the
board.
G
They
certainly
didn't
want
to
talk
to
this
agency,
and
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
break
that
down
and
provide
an
environment
where
people
could
come
together
and
and
share
their
opinions
and
and
and
do
so
that
in
a
way
that
moved
us
forward
so
covet
19,
there's
no
doubt
as
we're
all
aware
that
the
impact
on
tourism
in
this
state
has
been
tremendous
and
again
the
ta
is
100
fee
funded.
G
We
receive
no
general
funds,
we
receive
no
highway
funds,
so
we
are
funded
by
the
licensees
we
regulate
and
as
those
trips
declined
there
on
the
fiscal
year,
2020
you
can
see
in
march
covet
hits
and
the
governor
declares
a
state
of
emergency
and
instead
of
doing
you
know,
1.2
million
trips,
we
do
500
000,
you
know
was
mid-month,
and
then
you
see
the
coveted
cliff,
as
I
call
it
impacting
the
rest
of
that
year
and
then
through
this
year,
because
those
trips
have
declined
so
precipitously.
So
too
has
our
revenue.
G
Our
revenue
is,
has
declined
67,
the
ta
is
primarily
funded
through
a
20
cent
trip
charge.
So
every
time
they
turn
on
the
meter
we're
going
to
get
20
cents
of
it,
but
as
those
trips
have
plummeted,
so
so
too,
as
our
revenue.
G
Just
as
a
note,
the
livery
operators
association,
the
loa,
is
85
percent
of
the
industry
and
and
they've
been
pushing
this
session
to
get
a
bdr.
That
would
increase
the
trip
charge
by
20
cents,
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this.
This
would
give
the
authority
flexibility
to
charge
up
to
40
cents,
and
there
would
be
a
mechanism
that
we've
discussed
over
many
months
as
to
how
this
would
be
implemented
on
a
regulatory
basis,
but
it
is
not
an
automatic
increase.
G
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that
that
it
would
give
the
authority
to
the
board
and
again
the
board.
Is
these
are
open
meetings?
These
are
public
meetings
we
meet
typically
once
a
month.
They
are
attended
by
the
drivers,
the
driver's
union,
so
there's
a
lot
of
input
that
goes
into
these
types
of
decisions.
But
again
this
is
a.
G
This
is
a
push
from
the
loa
recognizing
that
in
our
dire
straits,
in
terms
of
our
revenue
situation,
they're
willing
to
step
in
and
help
keep
us
funded,
which
I
think
is
you
know
it
is
a
large
vote
of
confidence
on
their
part.
G
So
again,
just
to
remind
you,
madam
chair
members,
the
committee,
the
the
what
I
hope
you
think
of
with
the
tax
cab
authority
is
our
three
primary
public
safety
functions,
we're
betting
every
driver,
we're
inspecting
every
vehicle
and
and
we're
doing
routine
patrol
of
both
the
taxi
industry
and
then
targeted
enforcement.
And
let
me
explain
to
you
why
that's
important
under
nrs
706
88395.
G
G
A
very
real
concern
has
been
the
ability
to
print
uber
and
lyft
stickers
from
home,
put
it
in
the
windshield
and
you
have
fraudulently
trade
dressed.
You
look
like
an
uber
and
lyft,
and
this
committee
might
be
aware
of
some
national
headlines
that
where
this
has
led
to
disastrous
results,
people
think
they're
getting
it
in
bonafide,
uber
and
lyft,
and
it
is
absolutely
the
wrong
vehicle
with
the
wrong
person.
So
again
we
are,
we
are
out
enforcing
this.
We
are
out
investigating
this.
G
We
get
solicited,
my
officers
can
stand,
stand
downtown
and
they
can
be
on
their
phone
and
you
will
have
a
car
roll
up
roll
down
its
window
and
say:
where
are
you
going
I'll
take
you,
for?
You
know,
x,
amount
of
cash,
so
these
are
vehicles
that
are
operating
without
a
cpcn.
These
are
illegal
trips
and
when
we
encounter
it,
we
impound
these
vehicles.
G
When
we
investigate
it,
you
would
not
believe
how
brazen
people
are
with
business
cards
with
you
know
ads
on
craigslist
and
why?
Why
does
this
matter?
You
know,
I
think
the
first
reaction
might
be
well.
These
are
just
people
trying
to
offer
rides.
They
may
not
know
what
they're
doing
is
illegal
and
let's
dive
into
to
what
we
found.
So
these
are
just
some
highlights
of
of
what
my
officers
have
encountered
and
again
these
are.
These
are
highlights
of
over
150
or
160.
G
I
think,
just
in
the
last
couple
of
years
that
I
could
pull
these
are
10
impounds
and
number
one.
You
know
it's
a
drug
pipe
baseball,
bat,
eight
inch,
fillet
knife
drugs
were
on
the
driver,
a
registered
owner's
person
likely
a
dui
at
the
time,
so
these
are
real
cases.
These
are
real
pictures
and
again,
this
is
what
my
my
officers
are.
Finding
the
driver
was
a
convicted
sex
offender.
G
Lengthy
criminal
record
outstanding
warrant
driver
had
multiple
baggies
of
cocaine
and
again
these
are
different
impounds,
but
I'm
just
giving
you
some
some
terrible
highlights
here.
Driver
ro
had
a
lengthy
criminal
record
driver
advertising
to
give
craigslist
saying
that
cash
and
sex
was
welcome
as
payment.
The
driver
physically
struggled
with
our
officers,
tried
to
flee,
and
then,
when
we
subdued
him
tried
to
bribe
my
officers,
the
driver
sent
a
picture
of
his
genitals
to
the
investigator
and
showed
up
to
give
the
ride
with
his
pants
on
button
and
belt.
G
Unbuckled
driver
had
an
open
alcohol
drink
in
the
car
and
admitted
he'd
been
drinking
it
heroin,
methamphetamine
sex
offenders.
So
the
reason
that
we
vet
every
driver
is
obviously
we're
only
putting
people
on
the
road
who
who
should
be
on
the
road.
These
are
all
instances
of
people
in
clark
county
in
las
vegas,
who
are
offering
rides
either
on
craigslist
or
they're
soliciting,
and
these
are.
This
is
real
stories
of
what
we're
encountering
I'll
I'll.
G
Tell
you
it's
my
belief
that
the
number
of
times
this
is
happening
in
this
town
every
single
night.
It
is
staggering
it.
This
is
a
very
opportunistic
environment
because
we
have
large
shows
we
have
large
conventions.
We
have
areas
with
large
amounts
of
foot
traffic,
so
you
could
go
downtown
and-
and
you
wait
for
somebody
standing
around
and
you
offer
them
a
ride
again
most,
maybe
some
I
don't
want
to
say
most.
A
lot
of
these
are
innocuous
from
a
standpoint
of
a
criminal
element,
but
the
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
G
There
is
no
insurance,
so
even
if
it
is
just
an
individual
who's,
just
hustling,
if
it
is
an
individual
who
normally
drives
for
uber
and
lyft,
but
they're
off
app
and
we
run
into
those,
there
is
no
commercial
insurance
and
oftentimes
the
personal
insurance
will
be
denied,
and
so,
if
that
vehicle
is
involved
in
an
accident,
almost
no
one
is
covered
in
whether
it's
medical
bills,
whether
it's
damage
to
the
vehicle-
and
this
is
why
taxis
have
insurance.
G
This
is
why
uber
and
lyft
drivers
have
insurance
and
when
they're
on
app
that
insurance
covers
the
vehicle,
but
in
these
instances
where
a
personal
vehicle
is
being
used,
and
unless
that
person
has
a
commercial
policy
which
the
vast
majority
of
time
they're
not
going
to
have
unless
they
are
a
taxi
or
unless
they
are
a
bonafide,
uber
and
lyft
driver,
what
ends
up
happening
is
no
one
can
recover.
G
I
do
have
a
picture
there
with
metro.
I
want
to
note
it's
very
important,
our
partnership
with
local
law
enforcement,
whether
it's
nhp,
whether
it's
metro,
whether
it's
north
las
vegas,
whether
it's
henderson,
they
are
absolutely
outstanding
at
agency
assists
and
they
come
in
and
and
they
will
gladly
take
the
drugs
that
we
find
and
and
pursue
those
criminal
charges.
They
will
gladly
take
weapons
off
the
street
and
pursue
those
criminal
charges.
G
G
The
second
step
is
if,
if
they
want
to
appeal
from
that
alj,
the
administrative
law
judge,
they
appeal
it
to
the
five
member
board
of
the
taxi
cab
authority.
Who
who
hears
that
appeal
and
then
finally,
there's
always
a
a
an
opportunity
for
a
petition
for
judicial
review
in
district
court,
so
just
quickly
major
accomplishments,
madam
chairs,
so
our
coven
19
response.
I
cannot
say
enough
about
my
folks
and
how
proud
I
am
of
the
team
here.
They
are
public
servants
who
take
pride
in
their
job.
G
They
are
passionate
about
their
job
during
the
the
the
covid
lockdown
in
pandemic,
taxis
were
deemed
essential
by
the
governor
and
they
were
out
operating
every
single
day
and
and
through
this
period
to
today
during
this
pandemic.
During
you
know
all
of
the
challenges
we've
all
had
and
mitigation
we've
all
had
to
do.
Taxi
drivers
have
been
out
there
and
they've
done
over
three
million
trips,
and
obviously
those
trips
include
medical
visits.
G
Grocery
store
visits,
senior
trips
through
senior
ride,
as
especially,
which
is
a
program
that
this
agency
funds
for
for
senior
citizens.
We
enacted
emergency
regulations,
which
required
drivers
to
wear
a
mask
if
they
failed
to
wear
a
mask
and
we
cited
them.
We
also
required
that
vehicles
were
wiped
down
and
kept
clean.
We
wrote
91
failure
to
write.
Excuse
me,
we
wrote
91
failure
to
wear
a
mask
citations
and
again.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
is
cite
a
driver
who
is
economically
challenged
during
a
pandemic.
G
G
We
are
not
a
work
from
home
office.
We
just
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
so
my
officers
were
on
the
road.
My
my
vehicle
inspectors
were
on
the
road
and
not
thank
them
enough
for
being
front
line.
My
enforcement
staff
volunteered
through
clark
county
school
district
was
maintaining
food
delivery
at
their
local
sites.
I'm
incredibly
proud
of
my
staff
who,
who
volunteered
332
hours
of
their
time
to
be
there
and
help
logistics,
help
ccsd
police,
the
logistics
on
that.
G
So
that's
our
that's
been
our
coven
19
response,
just
major
accomplishments
overall,
so
the
first
ever
flat,
fair
zones,
it
eliminates
long
hauling
and
all
of
that
national
press
and
local
press.
That
was
just
terrible
black
eye
on
the
industry
and
a
black
eye
on
this
agency
and
and
frankly,
we
found
a
way
to
come
together
and
fix
it.
We've
mandated
100
adoption
of
smart
meters.
We've
now
focused
our
enforcement
efforts,
rather
than
just
on
this
long-hauling
issue
that
was
never
ending,
is
now
we're
very
focused
on
unlawful
passenger
transportation.
G
In
this
public
safety
risk
that
exists
and
then
again,
like
I've
stressed
we
we've
repaired
the
dialogue
among
the
stakeholders,
the
the
agency
and
the
board
interrelated
right,
which
is
we
we
all
have
to
have
a
voice
as
to
how
this
industry
is
going
to
survive
and
thrive.
G
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
know
you
have
so
many
issues
in
front
of
you.
I
I
do
appreciate
just
your
your
personal
time
in,
in
the
you
know,
sometimes
thankless
hours,
that
in
days
and
months
that
you
put
in
every
session,
you
know
just
as
a
personal
note
of
privilege.
I
greatly
appreciate
your
time
and
what
you
do
on
behalf
of
the
state.
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
appreciate
it
it's
good
to
see
you,
mr
littlemoor,
thank
you
for
your
your
presentation.
I
just
had
a
comment
and
then
I
guess
a
question.
That's
related
one.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
work
on
the
long-hauling
issue.
E
As
you'd
indicated,
that's
been
going
on
longer
than
probably
any
of
us
can
remember
at
this
point,
and
I
had
a
friend
who
used
to
live
on
the
strip
and
he
would
often
fly
back
into
town
and
he
would
never
reveal
that
he
was
a
local
and
he
just
had
pretty
wild
stories
about
the
different
routes
that
would
be
taken
to
get
to
the
same
location
every
time.
E
So
the
way
I
learned
about
the
flat
fair
is,
he
told
me:
hey
they
changed
things
up
at
the
airport
and
now
it's
just
a
flat
fare,
and
so
obviously
you
know
he
was
very
happy
with
that
solution
of
not
having
to
essentially
argue
with
the
driver
about
which
route
was
going
to
be
taken.
E
So
thank
you
for
that
and-
and
my
question
relates
to
that-
it's
just:
have
you
had
any
feedback
from
visitors
to
las
vegas
or
tourists
about
that
flat
fare
system,
any
complaints
or
do
people
seem
to
like
it.
I
would
think
it
makes
things
pretty
easy
for
everyone,
but
just
was
curious
about
feedback
you
or
your
agency
might
have
received.
Thank
you.
G
So
much
and
madam
chairman,
I
go
direct
yes,
scott
waddemore
for
the
record
assemblyman.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question.
We've
gotten
overwhelmingly
positive
feedback
from
from
the
airport,
from
the
stakeholders,
from
the
drivers
themselves
and
from
from
the
public.
G
Obviously,
we
ran
into
what
what
was
a
very
challenged
environment
in
early
spring
right
so
with
covid,
but
but
prior
to
that
march,
kind
of
cliff
that
we
ran
into
the
over
the
response
was
overwhelmingly
positive,
that
people
knew
and
and
that's
what
that's,
what
a
consumer
wants
right,
we're
all
very
savvy
we're
shopping
online.
We
we
want
to
know
what
the
price
is
before
we
we
click
and
purchase,
is
same
thing
with
taxis
and
that's
what
we
stressed
was:
let's
give
consumers
an
absolute
transparent.
G
You
know
map
that
the
signage
is
up
at
the
airport
up
at
mccarran.
You
can
literally
walk
out
of
t1
and
t3,
and
there
is
signage
there
that
will
tell
you
what
the
zones
are.
The
that
signage
is
also
in
the
vehicles.
It's
also
on
the
smart
meter
displays
in
the
back.
So
I
think
the
the
overall
I
I
I
am
very
comfortable
saying
you
know
in
the
in
the
board
meetings
just
reporting
back
to
what
we've
heard
is
just
overwhelming
support
for
those
zones.
G
In
fact,
people
asking
how
do
we
go
further?
How
do
we
include
downtown?
How
do
we
include
the
rest
of
the
valley,
and
I
think,
there's
there's
something
to
that
which
is
just
providing
people,
transparency
and
letting
them
decide
it
you
know.
Do
I
want
to
to
pay
ride
share.
Do
I
want
to
pay
a
taxi
and
letting
consumers
weigh
those
things?
G
E
You
so
much
appreciate
that
very
well
done
on
that
issue.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
quick
question:
you
you
talked
about
enforcement
division
and
and
you
you
go
against
unlicensed
carriers
and
you
do
enforcement
on
license
carriers
just
curious.
As
to
the
balance
of
that
enforcement.
Do
you
can
you
estimate
this
percentage
of
time
you
spend
on
each
of
those.
G
It's
a
great
question,
sir.
Thank
you
assemblyman,
so
this
has
only
been
recently
that
we've
been
able
to
to
eliminate
long-hauling
and,
as
part
of
the
kobit
response,
we
had
an
emergency
regulation
for
the
masks,
and
this
was
crucial
that
we
have
every
single
person
in
the
mask.
G
Additionally,
on
the
taxi
side,
we
still
have
your
standard
citations
for
things
like
rotation
violation,
which
means
you're
waiting
in
line
for
a
very
long
time,
and
somebody
comes
flying
up
and
takes
that
spot,
and
so
we
have
to.
We
have
to
to
watch
that
we
have
to
watch
for
safety
issues,
so
I
I
would
say
it
like
this,
sir.
I
would
hope
that
my
my
staff
is
50
focused
on
on
the
regulated
carriers
and
making
sure
that
we're
keeping
an
even
level
playing
field
that
taxi
drivers
don't
have
to
slug
it
out.
G
You
know
in
between
themselves
that
that
there's,
an
officer
that
that
you
know
can
be
there
and
keep
an
eye
on
on
that
regulated
space,
the
unlawful
passenger
transportation
space.
I
could
double
my
staff,
and
I
know
you
hear
this
from
law
enforcement
agencies,
and
I
know,
sir,
with
with
your
background,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
years
of
service
on
metro.
You
know
we
could
double
our
staff
and
I
truly
believe
we
we
would
not
identify
at
all.
G
There
are
so
many
illegal
limos,
illegal
buses,
illegal
shuttles
and-
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
point-
this
is
where
we
have
concurrent
jurisdiction
with
our
sister
agency,
the
nta
and,
and
they
are
also
focused
on
this
area.
One
of
the
challenges
you
have,
of
course,
is
is
how
do
you
identify
them?
You
know,
craigslist
is
easy.
That's
that's!
Shooting
fish
in
a
barrel
business
cards
that
we
find
that's
shooting
fish
in
a
barrel.
It
is
all
of
the
events.
G
It
is
all
of
the
odd
hours
from
from
you
know,
midnight
till
till
6
a.m.
What's
going
on
in
the
city
at
every
establishment,
you
can
imagine
where
people
are
being
solicited
with
cash
rides
and
and
for
the
most
part
you
I
think
we
don't
hear
about
them
because
for
the
most
part,
there's
not
the
criminal
activity
or
a
true
crime.
That's
committed
that's
publicized,
but
the
reality
is
we
have
people
who
are
inebriated.
G
We
have
people
on
you
know,
drugs
is,
is
so
common
and
it's
becoming
more
common,
and
so
I
apologize
that's
a
long
way
of
answering
I.
I
would
hope
my
staff
and
in
my
directive
with
chief
aquino,
and
he
and
I
I
think,
see
eyeball
the
eyeball
on
this
is:
how
do
we
split
our
time
is
as
best
as
50
50
and
really
pursue
that
unlawful
passenger
transportation?
E
Very
much
for
the
answer.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
know
it's,
it's
tough
to
get
a
balancing
act.
I
just
and-
and
I
should
know
this
but
or
most
of
your
citations,
civil
infractions
or
the
criminal
infractions
on
both
licensed
and
unlicensed.
G
Folks,
thank
you,
simon
yeah,
important
question
and
important
distinction.
My
my
officers
are
post
certified.
They
are
category
two
and
and
for
the
other
members
of
the
committee
category
two
are
our
state
regulatory
officers.
By
and
large,
then
you
have
category
three
which
is
like
ndoc
category.
One
are
your
first
responders,
so
it's
nhp
and
it's
metro.
So
my
officers
on
on
a
category
two
basis
have
the
ability
to
make
arrests
and
they
have
the
ability
they
wear
bulletproof
vests.
G
They
have
a
badge
they
they
have
a
gun.
It
is
a
dangerous
job
and
the
tough
issue
that
we
run
into
is
when
we
find
drugs
and
when
we
find
weapons
and
when
we
find
a
a
criminal
arrest,
we
do
not
have
the
staffing
where
we
would
pursue
those
and
frankly
we
don't
have
the
explicit
authority
to
to
pursue.
Those
metro
is
a
tremendous
partner.
G
Every
time
we
call
with
a
situation
like
this,
they
send
a
unit
out
and
they
are
all
too
happy
to
get
those
weapons
off
the
street
and
get
the
the
drugs
off
the
street.
The
issue
that
we
would
run
into
is
one
of
time
and
and
appearing
in
justice,
court
or
district
court
on
criminal
charges
would
would
really
break
the
bank
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
put
officers
on
the
road
and
then
over
time.
G
So
it
is
not
to
say
that
we
don't
have
the
the
actual
jurisdiction
as
as
category
2
officers,
but
it
is
it
isn't
our
lane,
and
I
think
what
we've
tried
to
do
here
and
and
within
other
state
category
two
is,
is
make
sure
we're
staying
in
our
law
enforcement
lane
as
a
as
a
regulatory
agency.
I
I
hope
that
answers
your
question,
sir.
E
Yeah
yeah,
it
does.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
questions
appreciate
what
you
do.
A
A
Have
a
wonderful
day,
members
that
brings
us
up
to
our
last
presentation.
For
the
day
we
will
have
members
from
the
western
states,
petroleum
association
joining
us,
and
I
believe
they
are
in
our
waiting
room
there.
They
are
all
right.
Ladies.
The
floor
is
yours.
You
can
go
ahead
and
get
started.
B
B
B
Here-
okay,
so
I
I
am
based
in
california,
but
do
government
affairs
in
california,
arizona
and
nevada.
So
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
to
present
to
you
today
a
little
bit
about
rsac.
B
C
Me
this
is
judy
from
broadcast.
The
audio
is
not
coming
across
well
at
all.
It's
there
seems
to
be
some
interference.
Might
I
suggest
that
you
eliminate
your
virtual
background
first
and
see
if
that
stops
the
hiss
pardon
me,
madam
chair,
I
didn't
mean
to
step
on
you.
B
C
B
B
If
I
stop
my
video
judy,
can
I
still
make
the
presentation
share
my
screen.
C
If
you
try
to
take
it
out
of
full
screen
mode
and
see
what
happens
if
it
will
play
in
slide
sorter
mode
without
that
hiss,
so
you
have
your
presence.
So
if
you
start
on
slide
one.
C
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it,
I'm
sorry
for
the
background
interference.
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
So
my
your
apologies
from
home,
I
suppose
so
just
someone
wave
at
me
for
some
reason.
You're
having
trouble
hearing
me
so
as
I
was
mentioning,
thank
you
for
your
support.
As
I
was
mentioning
well,
wispau
represents
companies
in
the
oil
and
gas
industry
we've
been
around
since
1907.
B
We
represent
what
we
talked
about
as
the
three
streams
of
the
business
there's
the
upstream
side
of
the
business,
which
is
the
pulling
the
oil
out
of
the
ground
part.
We
represent
the
midstream
side
of
the
business,
which
is
transportation
and
pipeline,
and
finally,
we
represent
the
downstream
side
of
the
business,
which
is
the
refining,
transportation
and
retail
side
of
things
about
our
association.
Specifically,
as
I
mentioned
here
at
lake
california,
we
represent
five
western
states-
california,
oregon
washington,
nevada
and
arizona,
and
have
a
variety
of
all
of
the
the
association.
B
We're
proud
to
announce
is
two-thirds
women
led
by
a
30-year
veteran
of
ours.
So
our
purpose
has
to
be
heist
void
and
so
we're
very
proud
of
who
we
are
as
an
associate
and
the
members
that
we
represent.
You
know
I
think,
as
was
mentioned
by
the
previous
speaker,
acknowledging
the
importance
of
the
central
workers,
especially
during
povid.
B
We
have
been
fortunate
in
that
our
workforce,
for
the
most
part,
has
been
able
to
continue
to
work
because
they
have
been
designated
as
essential
workers,
and
so
you
know
these
are
the
people
who
are
refining
and
producing
fuels
that
are
helping
produce
the
plastics
that
go
into
syringes
for
medical
purposes
and
and
help
with
goods
movement
of
getting
everyone's
amazon
packages
delivered
to
them,
while
they're
stuck
at
home
so
critical
to
the
infrastructure
and
keeping
the
economy
rolling.
You
know
like
a
lot
of
industries.
B
B
So,
just
a
little
bit
of
background
and
perspective
about
our
industry's
role
in
nevada's
economy,
we
support
approximately
29
000
direct
and
indirect
jobs
within
the
state.
So
when
we
say
direct
and
indirect,
we
mean
people
who
are
directly
employed
in
the
oil
and
gas
industry
and
those
who
are
contractors
or
otherwise
service
providers
to
the
industry.
B
So
that's
about
one
in
every
59,
private
sector
jobs.
So
even
though,
there's
not
a
lot
of
refining
or
production
in
nevada,
there
is
a
large
footprint
in
terms
of
tax
revenue
contributions
annually,
it's
about
8.4
million
dollars
and
that's
via
any
any
of
the
business
ownerships
that
are
in
this
state
and
the
wages
paid
there.
B
And
then
the
total
economic
contributions
are
about
eight
eight
bill,
eight
billion
dollars,
that's
the
economic
output,
and
I
will
turn
it
over,
hopefully
to
my
colleague
arthelia,
who
will
hopefully
have
better
luck
with
her
audio
to
talk
about
this
next
slide
and
the
average
industrial
wage.
C
Good
afternoon,
everyone
thank
you
for
having
us
argelia
leon.
With
the
western
state
department
association,
I
managed
to
teach
partnerships
for
the
association
throughout
our
five
western
states.
C
This
slide
here
goes
into
the
average
industry
annual
wage
within
our
oil
workers,
whether
they're
refinery
operators,
section
workers,
construction
managers,
the
average
annual
wage
oil
gas
industry
is
about
starting
at
eighty
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
a
year.
This
includes
benefits
as
well
as
retirement,
so
for
a
lot
of
these
folks,
especially
in
california,
where
there's
a
lot
of
production
we
like
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
pathway
to
the
class.
C
These
jobs
are
able
to
provide
a
lot
of
the
workers
with
an
opportunity
to
move
into
the
middle
class
from
low-income
backgrounds
or
even
folks
who
don't
have
a
college
education
that
might
not
even
have
a
high
school
degree.
Sometimes
we
are
also
proud
to
share
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
our
guys
out
in
the
rigs
and
out
working
in
the
petroleum
industry
in
california
are
some
of
folks
that
have
been
formally
incarcerated.
C
So
we
do
an
oil
worker
day
here
in
california,
where
we
bring
out
a
lot
of
these
workers
and
we
love
them
to
share
their
stories
with
the
legislature
on
you
know
what
it
is
about,
the
oil
industry
that
they,
you
know
appreciate,
and
it
always
comes
down
to
the
wages.
A
lot
of
these
guys
couldn't
get
these
types
of
wages
in
any
other
industry.
So
that's
one
thing
that
we
really
like
to
highlight:
we
are
actually
working
on
a
fact
sheet
for
nevada.
C
We
did
this
presentation
earlier
this
week
to
another
one
of
the
caucuses
and
we
will
insert
some
data
pertinent
to
the
jobs
in
nevada
and
the
economic
ripple
effect
there
most
of
the
jobs
in
nevada.
As
you
know,
there
is
really
no
production
or
refining
center
around
the
retail
space,
and
we
will
share
that
information
with
this.
C
I
also
like
to
share
this
video
of
some
of
the
petroleum
engineers.
Well,
my
name
is
albino
guatemala.
I'm
from
a
small
town
called
saturn.
California,
it's
in
santa
barbara
county,
and
you
know
it's
not
a
place
where
college
graduates
going
like.
Oh,
I
want
to
work
in
san
marino
what
people
mostly
think
of
when
they
live
in
san
francisco.
I
want
to
get
out
of
celery.
C
Somebody
may
ask
like:
oh
what
are
your
kids
up
to
like
okay,
to
see
how
it's
like
vana
le
escuela
and
my
parents
are
like
yeah
like
ucla,
you
know
as
a
little
kid
you
know.
The
reason
why
I
got
into
engineering
was
because
I
always
ask
why
how
you
know
those
questions,
those
type
of
questions,
how
things
work.
The
only
way
to
grow
as
a
person
is
to
learn
new
things
every
day
to
be
open-minded
to
never
think
of
yourself
better
than
others.
Let
your
passion
drive
you!
Let
your
your
knowledge
drive
you
that's.
C
C
So
that
was
just
a
little
snippet
of
some
of
the
you
know.
Petroleum
engineers,
young
petroleum
engineers,
we've
had
a
conversation
about
how
you
know
to
recruit
more
young
workforce
into
the
oil
and
gas
industry
here,
I'd
like
to
just
give
a
broad
overview
of
what
we
do
in
nevada,
I've
been
working
in
nevada
since
2018,
with
western
petroleum
association
looking
to
build
partnerships
and
relationships.
C
Some
of
the
highlights
here
in
2020,
we
partnered
with
the
nevada
hispanic
legislative
caucus,
a
task
force
they
put
together
to
provide
grocery
deliveries
to
folks
that
were
coveted
positive
in
nevada.
We
also
supported
the
nevada
black
legislative
caucus
with
a
similar
task
forward
task
force
that
provided
gift
cards
to
purchase
ppp
equipment
for
senior
living
facility
in
nevada,
we've
partnered,
with
the
latin
chamber
of
commerce
to
do
a
lot
of
education
as
well
as
southwest
gas
in
terms
of
the
energy
mix
and
the
importance
of
energy
in
the
state
of
nevada.
C
How
that
conversation
went
additionally,
we
also
do
a
lot
of
charitable
giving
in
the
state.
We
worked
with
the
ebenezer
helping
hands.
It's
a
charitable
organization
in
southern
nevada.
We've
worked
with
pastor
leonard
forman
there,
as
well
as
our
continued
partnership
with
the
nevada
league
of
cities
for
a
premier
sponsor
of
the
2020
annual
conference,
and
we
are
also
members
of
the
nevada
association
of
just
a
quick
highlight,
but
we
do
try
to
partner
with
business
groups.
I
think
our
model
here
at
whisper
is
that
we
want
to
be
a
resource.
C
We
understand
that
you
know
the
association
is
not
well
known
in
negative.
We
are
more
well
known
at
california
and
washington,
but
our
goal
is
really
to
you
know
build
that
bridge
between
the
communities
we
serve
as
well
as
the
resource,
not
just
for
external
audiences,
but
also
for
the
legislature.
So
if
there's
any
information
having
to
do
with
any
one
of
our
industry
areas
we're
more
than
happy
to
provide,
you
know
data
that
can
help.
You
inform
yourself
on
what
it
is.
The
industry
does
and
provides
to
the
communities
we
serve.
B
Thanks
again,
so
you
know,
as
our
halia
mentioned,
you
know,
our
partnerships
and
our
communities
in
which
we
operate
are
extraordinarily
important.
For
us,
it's
important
for
us
to
be
good
stewards
to
be
good
members
of
the
community
and
to
provide
ample
opportunity
for
for
those
who
are
are
seeking
to
better
their
economic
situation
to
find
employment
in
a
field
that
gives
opportunity
where
a
lot
of
other
industries
don't
and
just
to
provide
some
additional
context
and
perspective
about
sort
of
the
size
and
scope
of
the
industry
in
the
state
annually.
B
In
nevada,
consumers
use
approximately
50
million
gallons
of
debt,
and
that
is
gasoline
about
60
is
gasoline,
as
you
might
imagine,
that
gasoline
is
delivered
to
all
the
various
outlets
via
three
major
terminals
in
the
state
of
nevada-
and
this
has
been
mentioned-
there's
not
a
lot
of
production
or
refining
in
nevada,
and
so
most
of
the
transportation
fuels
that
are
brought
into
the
state
are
brought
in
via
three
terminals,
one
in
reno,
one
in
sparks
and
one
in
las
vegas
and
then
500
miles
of
pipeline
to
the
various
outlets,
both
retail
and
industrial,
and
all
of
those
numbers
go
to
support
the
28
billion
miles
a
year
that
nevadans
drive,
which
is
not
insignificant,
and
so
I
think
it's
really
important
as
we're
thinking
through
a
variety
of
climate
policies
that
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
B
You
know
how
do
we
take
that
28
billion
number
and
ensure
that
our
climate
policies
moving
forward
are
equitable
for
those
who
have
to
drive
long
distances
who
might
be
super
commuters?
How
can
we
ensure
that
they
have
transportation,
that's
affordable
and
reliable
and
gets
them
where
they
need
to
go
so
we're
we're
focused
on
that
in
a
big
way.
So,
and
we
again
I'm
sorry
about
that
background
noise,
but
we
have
our
industry
is
really
committed
and
dedicated
to
innovation
in
in
the
in
the
tech
space
and
in
the
new
fuel
space.
B
So
for
100
years
the
industry
has
been
innovating
and
and
investing
money
into
a
variety
of
energy
sources
and
continue
to
do
that.
So
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
of
those
for
you
here
today,
biofuels
being
one
a
low
carbon,
lower
carbon
source
of
fuels
that
is
derived
from
a
variety
of
feedstocks.
Our
companies
make
millions
of
gallons
of
these
biofuels
that
can
be
used
as
a
replacement
fuel
as
well
as
renewable
diesel,
so
different
and
sometimes
similar
feedstocks
that
go
in
for
heavy
duty.
B
So
all
of
those
trucks
that
are
going
in
and
out
to
las
vegas
can
be
made
cleaner
by
using
different
types
of
fuel
and
we're
we're
looking
into
ways
to
reduce
that
carbon
intensity.
Wherever
we
can
fuel
cell
technology
is
huge.
Our
companies
are
heavily
invested
in
fuel
cell
technology,
both
on
the
light
duty
side
for
passenger
vehicles,
as
well
as
the
heavy
duty
side.
So
we're
talking
hydrogen
there
right.
B
The
a
zero
emission
fuel
that
is
possible
to
put
in
your
car
doesn't
have
necessarily
the
same
challenges
of
kind
of
the
grid
infrastructure
that
electric
vehicles
do,
but
our
companies
are
heavily
invested
there
as
well.
They
they're
on
the
charging
side
big
time,
so
you
know
a
whole
host
of
of
technologies
that
our
companies
are
invested
in
and
interested
in
moving
the
ball
forward
on,
and
I
think
finally
it's
worth
mentioning
that
you
know.
B
As
we
talk
through
climate
policies,
we
know
that
there
are
going
to
be
a
lot
of
places
where
it's
hard
to
get
carbon
out
of
the
atmosphere
and
there's
a
lot
of
technology
that
has
to
be
developed,
and
so
our
companies
are
very
much
in
this
space
of
carbon
capture
sequestration
of
of
literally
sucking
carbon
out
of
the
air
and
either
reusing
it
for
a
different
purpose
or
or
storing
it
underground,
so
that
it's
removed
from
the
atmosphere.
So
we're
involved
in
projects
all
over.
B
The
world
which
is
really
exciting,
so
we're
excited
to
be
a
collaborative
part
of
of
meeting
the
climate
challenge
which
we
recognize.
Is
it's
very
much
real
it's
here
today
and
we
we
want
to
be
part
of
that
solution,
so
I
think
you
know
again
as
we're
thinking
through
the
the
various
challenges
that
we
have
before
us
and
how
to
meet
our
goals.
You
know
we're
really
evaluating
these
policies
through
really
six
different
lenses.
B
That
I'll
touch
on
very
briefly
here:
access
to
energy
matters,
right
being
able,
as
I
think
the
the
first
speaker
mentioned,
being
able
to
get
in
your
car
and
go
where
you
need
to
go
matters
being
able
to
turn
on
your
lights,
heat
and
cool.
Your
home
is
important
right.
These
are
basics,
basics
to
our
everyday
life
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
able
to
continue
to
do
and
do
it
in
a
way.
That's
that's,
affordable
and
equitable.
B
The
four
e's
they
must
be
all
part
of
the
solution.
So
when
we
talk
about
the
four
e's,
we're
talking
about
energy,
we're
talking
about
equity,
we're
talking
about
environment
and
we're
talking
about
the
economy,
how
do
we
establish
policies
that
balance
all
of
those
public
transparency
and
broad
stakeholder
participation
super
important
in
developing
any
type
of
climate
policy
that
is
going
to
be
sustainable?
B
You
need
to
have
broad
stakeholder
buy-in
and
those
stakeholders
all
need
to
be
informed
by
this
next
policy
principle,
which
is
scientific
and
economic
analysis,
is
making
sure
everyone
has
access
to
the
information
that
we're
doing
our
job
of
looking
critically
at
this
information
and
data
and
figuring
out
how
to
put
it
together
in
the
best
policy
possible
technology
and
fuel
neutrality
right,
we
have
no
idea
what
the
future
is
going
to
hold
in
terms
of
technology.
B
There's
a
lot
of
great
hopes
with
battery
storage
technology
with
hydrogen
with
electric
vehicles,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
as
we're
looking
at
where
we
want
to
go
that
we're
leaving
the
door
open
for
all
of
these
technologies
to
play
a
critical
role
in
reducing
our
co2
levels
and
then,
finally,
market-based
approaches.
We
have
found
that
across
the
globe
that
market-based
approaches
are
the
most
affordable
for
consumers
and
find
the
quickest
and
most
cost
effective
ways
to
reduce
carbon.
B
So
as
you're
going
through
the
heavy
lifting
job
of
thinking
through
all
of
these
policies
and
where
nevada
is
going
to
go
tomorrow,
we
ask
that
you
keep
these
in
mind,
so
just
in
conclusion,
we
just
want
to
leave
you
with
a
couple
of
last
minute.
Thoughts
here
is
that
you
know
our
industry
is
here
to
partner
and
collaborate
with
you.
We
have
some
of
the
best
and
brightest
minds
in
the
world
on
some
of
these
issues.
B
We
are
here
to
be
a
partner
in
your
community
and
provide
high-wage
jobs,
support
our
community
through
philanthropic
efforts
and
to
be
a
partner
with
you
in
planning
for
a
sustainable
future.
So
I
will
leave
you
with
a
quote
from
our
president,
who
really
is
always
talking
about
how
the
future
of
energy
is
at
a
tipping
point
and
that
we
all
must
come
together
if
we're
going
to
to
plan
for
what's
next
and
create
policies
that
are
sustainable
and
equitable.
So
I
will
stop
there
and
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair.
Thank
you.
B
A
No
need
to
apologize.
That's
the
times
that
we're
living
through
assemblyman
yeager
does
have
a
question.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
Miss
parks
and
miss
leon.
It's
good
to
see
you
guys
again
and
thanks
for
persisting
through
those
difficulties,
we're
finding
our
way
through
this
virtual
world
as
well.
So
we
certainly
understand
the
frustration
at
times.
E
I
appreciate
the
presentation,
particularly
the
end
of
the
presentation
when
you
talked
about
the
environment
and
climate,
I
think,
obviously
that's
a
discussion
at
the
forefront
of
everything
we're
doing
here
in
the
legislature,
I'm
curious
about
whether
there
are
fuels
or
technologies
that
are
from
petroleum
sources
that
are
zero
carbon
emissions.
I
know
there
were
some
that
were
low
carbon,
but
I'm
curious
if
there's
anything
out
there,
that's
zero
carbon
and,
if
so,
what
they
would
be
and
whether
they're
economically
viable
at
this
time.
B
So
I
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
I.
What
I
can
say
is
that
there
is
a
way
to
produce
fuels
petroleum
based
fuels
in
a
way
that
is
carbon
negative.
That
does
not
absolve
them
of
the
emissions.
Obviously
that
are
born
from
them
being
transportation
emissions
once
they
go
into
a
vehicle,
but
our
companies
are
looking
at
a
lot
of
different
fuel
types.
B
One
I
failed
to
mention
algae
is,
is
one
that
exxonmobil
you
may
have
seen
a
commercial
for
not
a
petroleum-based
fuel,
certainly
but
another
technology
that
they're
looking
at.
So
I
think
you
know
all
of
our
companies
are
doing
the
best
they
can
to
figure
out.
How
can
we
make
transportation
petroleum
fuels
as
clean
as
they
possibly
can
be,
and
you
know
if
that
doesn't
cut
it?
What
other
technologies
are
available
to
meet
that
goal?.
E
Thank
you
so
much
for
that,
and
I
would
just
ask
you
know
you're
probably
going
to
hear
about
technologies
quicker
than
we
will.
So
if
you
do
hear
about
emerging
technologies,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
passing
that
on
to
the
chair,
vice
chair,
just
to
be
able
to
share
with
us
would
really
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
F
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
was
sitting
in
solidarity,
remembering
sitting
in
my
zoom
space
at
home
and
my
kids
running
in
and
out
of
my
meetings.
So
I
appreciate
I'm
sitting
in
solidarity
with
you
with
tech
issues,
but
my
question
comes
from
some
of
my
personal
background.
F
Having
worked
in
the
engineering
industry
and
arena
of
of
engineering,
and
I'm
wondering
I
have
not
been
in
that
field
for
a
little
while
how
how
much
petroleum
are
we
currently
producing
in
nevada,
if
you
could
provide
quantities
for
that,
and
is
there
any
refining
that
occurs
of
that
petroleum
and
is
it
refined
in
nevada.
B
Yes,
madam
chair,
if
I,
if
I
might
respond
margo
margo
parks
with
western
states
petroleum
for
the
record,
sorry
I'm
getting
used
to
this
process
assembly.
Member
peters-
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
for
you.
I
believe
that
there
is
a
small
amount
of
both
production
and
refining
in
the
state.
I
have
those
numbers
just
not
in
front
of
me.
I'm
happy
to
get
back
to
you
on
those,
but
I
think
it's
it's
very
very
limited.
B
F
All
right
yeah,
that
was
my
my
memory
as
well,
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
had
been
changes
in
the
last
five
to
seven
years
and
then
I'm
sure
I
have
another
question:
that's
a
separate
issue.
If
I
may
okay,
thank
you.
One
of
my
passions
around
petroleum
is
the
ability
to
make
high-grade
medical
products.
F
I
think
that
that
is
one
of
the
places
where
we
really
cannot
get
away
from
the
petroleum
industry,
and
I'm
just
wondering
from
your
associates
in
association's
perspective,
how
much
that
industry
matters
for
the
western
states
and
how
much
we
participate
in
the
development
of
those
really
specific
and
important
materials.
B
Absolutely
and
again,
margo
parks,
western
state's
petroleum
for
the
record,
so
the
petrochemical
industry,
largely
in
in
the
united
states,
does
produce
the
feedstocks
that
go
into
a
lot
of
these
high
grade
medical
equipment.
As
you
mentioned,
I
believe
that
there
are
a
couple
of
petrochemical
plants
in
the
five
western
states
that
we
represent,
but
it
is
a
relatively
small
number
compared
to
I
think
more,
like
the
east
coast,
ish
area,
that
that
does
provide
the
majority
of
those
feedstocks.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
guess
I
have
a
question
and
then
I
have,
I
think,
based
on
what's
been
provided
so
far,
just
kind
of
a
request
for
follow-up
information.
So
you
know
I
appreciate
that
you've
provided
some
additional
information
since
the
the
last
time.
I
I
saw
this
presentation
on
breakdown
of
the
the
jobs
and
pay
and
based
on
my
colleague,
assemblywoman
peter's
question.
It
sounds
like
some
of
those
jobs
and
production
and
refining
are
are
very
limited
here.
D
So
I'm
just
kind
of
reiterating
it'd
be
great
to
see
what
the
what
the
jobs
are
that
are
located
here
in
the
state
and
what
the
pay
average
pay
is
for
those
you
know.
In
addition,
I
think
I'd
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
information
on
the
investments
that
your
association
in
the
petroleum
industry
is
making
in
biofuels
and
fuel
cells
and
electric
vehicle
charging
and
these
other
carbon
reduction
technologies.
And
you
know
if,
if
there's
a
commitment
to
a
certain
percentage
of
of
revenue,
that's
being
invested
into
that
forward.
D
B
Yeah
so
a
lot
of
questions
there
I
think,
but
we
will
certainly
follow
up
with
some
of
the
questions
that
that
you
had
specifically
on
jobs.
I
will
just
note
that,
while
the
majority
of
of
jobs
in
the
state
are
more
on
the
downstream
side,
we
do
there
are
a
substantial
number
that
are
on
the
midstream
pipeline
side
and
those
average
wages
are
approximately
100
000
a
year,
but
we
can
get
you
a
more
detailed
breakdown.
Certainly
an
answer
to
your
question
about
the
level
of
commitment.
B
So
you'll
note,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
on
the
presentation
at
the
moment,
but
we
do
have
if
you
click
on
the
top
of
the
presentation
where
it
says,
collaborating
to
meet
today's
climate
challenges,
you
can
get
more
information
about
the
variety
of
projects
and
investments
that
our
companies
are
making.
If
you'd
like
additional
information.
Beyond
that,
we
can
certainly
get
you
those
numbers.
B
You
know
each
each
company
is
different
in
terms
of
of
how
they're
looking
at
their
investments,
but
overall,
I
think,
you'll
find
that
our
industry
collectively
is
investing
on
the
scale
of
billions
of
dollars
into
these
variety
of
technologies
and
as
far
as
the
the
questions
about
the
projects
that
we
have
in
nevada,
I'm
going
to
have
to
get
back
to.
I
know
that
we
do
have
companies
who
are
very,
very
interested
and
perhaps
have
electric
vehicle
charging
station
businesses
in
your
state.
B
But
we're
going
to
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that,
because
we,
our
members,
don't
refine
or
produce
in
the
state.
We
don't
have
those
types
of
facilities
to
do
those
low
carbon
fuels
and
alternative
fuels,
but
we,
we
may
have
some
other
projects,
so
we
can
certainly
get
back
to
with.
D
Thank
you
I'd
appreciate
that
it's
helpful
to
to
get
some
state-specific
context
on
these
issues,
so
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
question.
A
A
It's
going
to
take
all
of
us
working
together
to
get
through
this.
So
thank
you
for
being
a
partner
in
that.
So
wishing
you
both
a
wonderful
day
and
and
committee.
That
brings
us
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
for
today,
and
that
is
public
comment,
though,
as
I
stated
at
the
beginning
of
our
meeting,
public
comment
would
be
at
the
end
and
I
believe
we
have
one
or
two
people
in
the
waiting
room
for
public
comment.
So
if
our
staff
could
let
them
in
that
would
be
wonderful.
D
D
D
Yes,
the
caller
has
been
in
the
waiting
room
since
the
beginning,
but
has
not
raised
his
hand,
his
or
her
hand
to
take
his
place
in
the
queue.