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A
A
And
I
am
here:
please
show
that
all
of
our
members
are
present.
We
thank
those
that
are
joining
us
by
video.
We
appreciate
your
patience
is
a
a
deadline
day,
so
we
have
one
matter
before
the
committee
for
your
consideration.
It
is
senate
bill,
3
28.,
it's
on
for
a
work
session,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
committee
policy.
Analyst.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
katie,
seaman
s-I-e-m-o-n
committee
policy,
analyst
for
the
record
senate
bill
328
in
its
first
revision
revises
provisions
relating
to
energy
storage
systems.
The
measure
was
sponsored
by
senator
lang.
It
was
first
heard
before
this
committee
on
may
11
2021
senate
bill
328
requires
the
public
utilities,
commission
of
nevada
or
pucn
to
re-evaluate
regulations,
setting
biennial
targets
for
the
procurement
of
energy
storage
systems
based
upon
the
most
recent
integrated
resource
plan
or
irp
filed
by
an
electric
utility
and
to
make
any
necessary
revisions
to
these
targets.
C
C
The
amendment
defines
electric
the
term
electrochemical
energy
storage
system
and
provides
that
no
one
shall
install
an
electrical
electrochemical
energy
storage
system
in
this
state
unless
number
one,
the
individual
holds
a
valid
license.
Classification
required
to
perform
this
work
and
number
two.
The
work
is
performed
by
or
under
the
direct
supervision
of
a
person
holding
an
esm
check,
a
samtac
certification.
C
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
members.
You
happy
for
you
the
amendment
that
danella's
but
also
hand
it
to
us
at
the
start
of
this
meeting
is
a
additional
amendment
from
the
sponsor
and
those
helping
the
sponsor
with
this
bill.
Are
there
any
questions
or
discussions?
We
do
have
the
sponsor
here
and
the
so
we
have
a
few
we're
going
to
start
with
assemblyman
ellingson
and
then
assemblywoman
peters.
D
I
just
got
the
new
mock-up
here
just
when
we
all
got
it.
There's
there's
a
couple
things
on
here.
If
you
look
it's
for
residential
power
only
for
secondary
distribution,
not
for
secondary
disposition,
only
primary,
but
yet
if
you
look
at
it
section,
2
b
and
it
talks
about
residential
property
means
improved
real
estate.
D
That
consists
of
not
more
than
four
so
they're
saying
that
it.
This
does
consist
of
anything
above
four
apartments,
but
how
the
heck
are
you
going
to
do
that
when
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
secondary,
not
a
pri
or
a
primary,
not
a
secondary,
so
you're
you're
saying
it
does
go
back
in
to
feed
to
the
system
and
here's
my
concerns.
It's
the
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
did
a
great
job
trying
to
get
this
thing
out.
D
D
That's
a
secondary,
a
primary
line
is
where
the
pole
and,
if
you're,
generating
power
out
from
a
grid
from
like
solar
panels,
whatever
that
goes
to
that
grid
and
goes
out.
Well,
that's
not
what
this
says
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
playing
field
and
we're
talking
the
same
language
but
you're
already
saying
in
section
b
that
it's
at
a
later
date
that
anything
is
four
units
or
more
that
falls
under
that's
a
secondary
distribution,
not
a
primary.
D
If
it's
a
house,
it's
120
240.,
that's
the
difference,
but
there's
a
difference
between
the
primary
and
the
secondary
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
through
that
nothing
in
the
primary
building
existing
buildings
should
be
should
be
exempt
under
this
bill,
and
I'm
hoping
maybe
you
can
clarify
that.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
simon
ellison
will
adler
for
the
record
representing
silver
state
government
relations
and
ibew
1245,
if
I
may
jump
right
in
there,
so
the
intent
of
this
build
is
obviously
not
to
cover
all
batteries
or
all
batteries
that
you
would
find
in
commercially
available
products
like
generators
like
emergency
signs,
like
other
emergency
systems
that
have
self-housed
battery
units.
The
intent
is
large
energy
storage
systems.
In
fact,
most
of
these
storage
systems
to
date
aren't
you
know,
classified
as
batteries,
but
there's
a
variety
either.
E
You
know,
you
know
liquid
salt
to
a
kinetic
train
to
everything
else,
to
clarify
what
energy
storage
systems
we
wish
to
use
in
this
training
for
the
esom
tac
it.
The
clarity
here
is
to
make
it
a
chemical
battery
storage
or
a
lithium-ion
battery.
Usually-
and
these
are
things
like
the
size
of
this
table-
you
know
I
mean-
is
it
the
intent
is
for
that
size
battery
for
the
the
taking
in
of
a
large
solar
charge,
usually,
and
it's
a
redistributed
back
out
onto
the
grid
at
a
later
date.
E
It's
not
for
internal
use,
it's
not
a
small
battery
and
it's
not
for
any
of
those
small
commercial
things.
You
didn't
mention
on
this
side
of
the
line
as
it
were.
You
know
we
are
hooking
up
things
on
the
primary
side
of
the
line,
and
this
is
for
usually
distribution
back
onto
a
grid.
So
hopefully
you
know
the
intent
of
that
could
be
clarified
a
little
bit
more.
I
I
did
produce
some
language
myself.
That
is
just
mocked
up
by
me
that,
hopefully
I
you
know
could
clarify
this
more
to
make
it.
E
These
are
not
batteries.
What
an
energy
storage
system
is,
but
what
we
were
told
earlier
was
because
we
used
energy
storage
system
earlier
in
the
build
and
the
pc's
already
regulated
energy
storage
systems
and
the
targets
of
those
in
the
term
energy
storage
system,
meaning
for
the
the
storage
of
solar
panel.
You
know
green
energy,
usually
whatever
energy.
It
is
for
distribution
later
at
night,
that
we
didn't
have
to
further
clarify
it
down
below
that
it
was
just.
E
You
know
electrochemical
versions
of
that
energy
storage
system,
but
if
more
clarification
was
needed,
I
I
did
want
to
help
provide
that
to
you,
or
at
least
say
it
on
the
record
here
today.
Simply
vanillason.
Thank
you,
but
this
is
not.
The
intent
is
not
to
do
any
of
those
things
and
is
to
keep
it
solely
to
that
one
function
of
a
large
electrochemical
energy
storage
system.
For
you
know
commercial
or
you
know
utility
use.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
have
concerns
about
the
interpretation
of
electrochemical
energy
storage
system
from
my
colleague
here,
because
we
already
have
existing
regulations
around
how
energy
storage
systems,
which
is
a
very
broad
definition,
are
regulated
in
the
state
of
nevada.
So
in
this
case,
given
the
chapter
that
this
is
in,
which
is
section
it's
chapter
624,
I
would
like
to
ask
legal
to
weigh
in
on
who,
like
what
does
chapter
624,
regulate
and,
and
how
does
that?
F
How
is
that
generally
interpreted
with
regard
to
the
definition
of
energy
storage
system
or
other
systems
that
are
regulated
under
that
chapter
through
the
through,
like
the
other
licensing
standards
that
exist
in
that.
G
Chapter
drummer:
this
is
jessica
demmer
with
the
lcd
legal
division.
If
I
understand
the
question
so
chapter
624
relates
to
contractors,
creates
the
state
contracting
board
and
relates
to
work
that
requires
the
license
contractor.
G
F
F
I
think,
though,
that
as
we
interpret
it
in
our
regulations
and
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
please
we
regulate
not
the
storage
system
itself,
but
the
licensing
for
the
installation
of
those
storage
systems
and
because
we
don't
have
a
license
that
regulates
the
installation
of
batteries
or
other
minor
storage
systems
that
exist
in
our
buildings
that
this
wouldn't
necessarily
apply
to,
extending
that
it
would
be
narrowed
to
the
way
we
interpret
the
definition
as
it
exists
today,
which
is,
if
you
are
required
to
have
a
contractor
to
install
it.
G
G
F
G
G
It's
that
would
be
the
type
of
thing
that
would
have
a
say,
a
duracell
battery,
but
there
could
be
things
that
are
attached
to
a
building
that
might
be
considered
real
property
that
could
use
a
battery.
I
don't
know
that
it
would
be
a
duracell
size
battery.
That's
a
factual
question.
I
couldn't
answer.
H
Quick,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
understand
that
we
we
just
got
this
language,
and
so
I
apologize
for
putting
our
legal
counsel
miss
dummer
on
in
the
hot
seat
on
this,
but
I'll
I'll,
try
and
just
state
it
a
little
bit
clearer
and
and
ask
the
question
in
a
straightforward
way:
does:
does
the
current
language
does
legal
believe
it
could
be
construed
to
require
esamtack
training
for
general
contracting
work
that
would
install
fairly
common
devices
that
may
have
a
small
battery
integrated
in
them,
or
do
you
believe
that
the
language
that
has
been
prepared
would,
along
with
the
provision
of
legislative
intent,
would
only
apply
it
to
larger
scale,
energy
storage
systems,
larger
scale,
battery
systems.
G
F
So
I'm
looking
at
chapter
624.,
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair,
if
I'm,
if
I
may,
thank
you
and
there's
an
exception
in
here,
it's
section,
624.031
sub
6
that
says
any
work
to
repair
or
if
this
is
a
provisions
of
this
chapter,
do
not
apply
to
any
work
to
repair
or
maintain
property,
the
value
of
which
is
less
than
one
thousand
dollars,
including
labor
and
materials.
F
D
Nevada
state
law
says
any
commercial
building
has
got
to
have
a
master's
license
with
a
c2
for
his
company.
That's
that's.
The
law.
Maintenance
is
where
somebody
goes
and
pulls
the
battery
out
of
a
clock
or
whatever
that
that
is
maintenance,
but
anything
in
electrical.
They
can't
fall
under
maintenance,
anything
over
a
thousand
dollars.
They
can't
do
they
can't
change
a
switch.
You
can't
change
the
plug.
D
They
can't
do
any
of
this
it
it's
the
license
that
has
a
licensed
contractor
has
to
do
union
non-union,
whatever
that's
the
law,
but
but
when
we
made
the
when
we
got
clarification
from
when
they
did
the
these,
they
presented
the
bill.
To
begin
with,
I
asked
him,
I
said:
are
we
talking
15
kw
or
15,
150
watts
or
15,
kw
or
kilovolts?
What
are
we
talking
and
he
said
everything?
So
that's
what
created
the
problem
is:
there's
a
difference
between
15
150
watts,
150,
kva
or
kilovolts.
D
E
Will
adler
for
the
record
someone
else,
as
I
stated
previously
in
my
testimony
today,
that
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
not
to
do
that
in
any
way
and
not
to
require
that
training
in
any
way
for
any
standard
electrical
work
or
any
electrical
work
done
today.
This
is
be
done
on
larger
scale,
larger
units
for
the
storage
of
energy
commercially
or
on
a
utility
scale.
I
mean
this
is
a
non
you
know,
so
whatever
clarity
would
be
needed
to
make
sure
that
is
clear.
E
I
think
that's
something
when
peter's
trying
to
make
sure
that
clarity
is
provided
in
this
bill
or
the
lcb
thought,
the
the
the
with
the
legislative
intent
and
with
the
previous
history
of
energy
storage
devices
already
regulated
by
the
poc,
that
that
would
be
clear,
so
that
isn't
a
problem
in
the
future,
because
that
is
not
the
intent.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
What
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
is
that
we
should
have
defined
if
it
was
150
kva
or
what
it
is,
and
that
has
not
been
addressed
even
right
now
and
and
we're
talking
apples
from
oranges.
It's
a
whole
different
system
and
we
started
to
get
the
process,
but
you
went
right
back
into
residential
and
and
tell
me
what
kind
of
system
you're
going
to
put
on
a
four
four-plex
of
a
system
of
this
size.
It's
that
doesn't
exist.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
I
get
a
little
concerned
when
we
talk
about
intent
of
bills
because
intent
of
bills
is
so
interpretive
and
if
you
don't
lay
it
out
there,
and
that
seems
like
there
is
ample
opportunity
to
lay
it
out
there
and
and
really
address
without
talking
about
intent.
Talking
about
actual
language
when
we
pass
laws
when
we
pass
regulations,
if
people
have
to
guess
what
the
intent
is,
that's
a
problem
and-
and
my
concern
is-
is
that
somebody
will
want
to
put
a
small
solar
panel
on
their
business.
I
It
doesn't
even
have
to
be
a
four-plex.
It
could
be
their
their
office
building
to
run
something
small
inside
of
their
building
and
that
you
can
buy
it
on
you.
B
I
It
on
amazon
and
it's
going
to
cost
you
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
and
it
has
a
battery,
and
it's
probably
not
that
big.
I
mean
it's
not
as
big
as
that
table,
but
there's
just
nothing
clearly
defining
whether
they
can
do
it
or
not,
and
that's
a
problem
for
me
because
intent
doesn't
mean
anything
if
you,
if
you
don't
write
it
out
in
the
language
and
say:
okay,
the
the
battery
has
to
be
this
size.
I
This
I
don't
know
electricity
very
well
kilowatt
or
whatever
storage
you
know,
or
even
it
has
to
be
smaller
than
three
by
two
or
whatever
it
is,
but
anything
that
can
clarify
you
know
what
what
a
property
owner
can
can
and
can't
do
what
they're
regulated
by
law
to
do
and
if
they
have
to
guess
and
if
they
guess
wrong
they're
in
trouble,
then
that's
a
problem
for
me.
I
So
that's
that's.
I
think.
That's
where
the
kind
of
the
the
rubber
hits
the
road
on
this
is
it's
just
not
clearly
defined
in
the
language.
What
you
can
and
can't
do,
I'd
electrocut,
electro
chemical
energy
means
absolutely
nothing
to
me.
I
have
no
idea
what
that
means,
and
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
research
it
to
find
out
and
then
say,
go
back
to
this
hearing
and
go
well.
The
intent
was
this.
I
I
E
Will
adler
for
the
record
someone
been
leavitt,
I
I
I
do
agree
with
you,
and
I
do
think
that
that
that
needs
to
be
part
of
this.
This
issue
in
its
entirety,
but
one
of
the
issues
with
energy
storage
devices,
I've
I've
been
running
into
all
year.
All
of
a
sudden
is
the
lack
of
definitions
around
them
in
in
nevada
law
and
in
nevada
statute.
E
We
did
pass
something
in
2017
that
made
them
look
into
energy
storage
devices
at
a
state
level
from
the
the
puc
puc
then
took
that
direction
and
used
it
to
implement
a
plan
for
nv
energy
to
start
buying
and
purchasing
energy
storage
devices
is
to
make
sure
they
capture
the
extra
green
capacity
for
going
forward
because
in
the
future,
it's
no
longer
just
solar.
It's
hybrid,
it's
a
hybrid
program
which
is
solar,
plus
battery
right.
Underneath
those
definitions,
that's
framework,
the
puc
regulated.
E
What
is
energy
storage
devices,
so
we
refer
to
them
as
energy
storage
devices.
In
this
you
know
bdr
and
then
build
because
that
was
the
term
used
before
by
the
puc4
devices
intended
to
store
excess
energy
for
a
later
use.
To
clarify
this
further,
I
did
mock
up
myself
a
highlighted
version
that
was
distributed
to
committee
today.
That
does
add
a
few
terms
to
it,
that
would
say:
energy
storage
for
distribution
outside
the
system
at
a
later
date.
E
That
would
imply
that
that
energy
is
yes
stored
in
that
system
temporarily,
but
the
intent
of
that
energy
is
to
be
used
outside
of
that
system.
Hence
the
batteries
for
distribution
out
to
the
power
grid
or
whatever
other
body
there
is.
That
could
clarify
it
further.
But
at
this
time
we
didn't
even
know
if
that
was
necessary,
because
previously
it
not
thought
to
be
necessary
when
we
reviewed
it
with
legal
intent,
but
there's
so
few.
E
You
know
hard
and
fast
definitions
under
nrs
or
nac
on
this
subject
in
nevada,
that
maybe
we
would
need
to
add
something
like
that
highlighted
section
I
provided,
but
I
I
truly
don't
know,
but
the
intent,
as
I
keep
saying-
and
I
know
you
don't
like
intent-
is
not
for
that,
and
it
is
not
to
address
anything
that
a
current
electoral
contractor
could
do
in
the
state
is
to
address
something,
that's
happening
and
going
to
be
happening
in
the
future,
that
this
training
is
to
provide
safety
and
surety
for
because
these
are
large
new
energy
systems
that
usually
are
lithium-ion
batteries
and
are
are
trying
to
be
referred
to
in
this
bill.
E
So
again
we
don't
wish
to
to
muddle
the
intent,
and
I,
if
there's
more
clarity
needed,
we
could
ask
for
that
to
be
provided,
but
the
bill,
as
written
hopefully
was
intended
to
to
to
read
as
it
is
for
energy
storage
systems
such
as
the
ones
puc
asked
through
the
regulations
to
be
provided
to
the
state.
Thank
you.
F
Last
one
I'm
sorry,
I
have
one
that
does
not
have
to
do
with
the
electrochemical
energy
storage
systems.
I
would,
though,
appreciate
to
get
on
the
record,
a
conversation
that
we
had
had
regarding
the
training
program
and
what
that
is
and
how
it
is
accessible.
F
My
understanding
at
this
point
is
that
it
is
an
open
curriculum,
that's
accessible
by
anybody.
That's
been
developed
by
penn
state.
You
just
have
to
get
in
contact
with
them
to
ensure
you
are
trained
properly
in
the
actual
training
of
that
program.
Can
you
just
clarify
that
that
is
the
actual
case,
and
then
this
is
not
something
that
is
isolated
only
to
potentially
union
training
programs.
E
Thank
you
will
adler
for
the
record,
so
the
the
curriculum
produced
by
penn
state
university
was
energy
storage
and
microgrid
training
and
certification
program
based
on
these
new
energy
storage
systems
that
are
coming
online
in
the
last
five
years.
So
that
is
a
general
terminology
for
the
training
needed
to
work
on
any
of
these
energy
storage
systems
and
that
that
sort
of
curriculum
they
came
up
with
that
comes
with
you
know,
13
different
syllabuses
that
is,
is
available
for
anyone
to
contract
and
use
as
a
training
platform.
E
It's
not
specifically
a
union
platform
anyone
else's
platform.
It
is
publicly
available
to
anyone
who
contacts
them
on
those
websites.
They
are
setting
up
trainings
in
the
state.
You
know
regularly
it's
about
every
month,
they're
setting
up
a
new
batch
of
people
who
are
union
and
non-union.
It
is
publicly
available
and
will
be
provided
to
whoever
wants
to
take
it
because
more
people
need
this
training
and
that
that
service
is
just
there
to
provide
it
to
whoever
wants
to
learn.
So.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'd,
like
to
make
a
comment
really
quick.
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
take
a
step
back.
Thank
the
sponsors
of
the
bill
for
working
to
address
some
of
the
questions
and
concerns
that
came
out
of
the
initial
hearing
on
the
bill
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
narrowing
in
some
of
these
definitions
moving
some
of
the
pieces
around,
so
that
I
think
they
make
more
sense
and
work
for
the
bill.
H
Also,
I'd
just
like
to
very
briefly
say
that
there
are.
There
are
times
when
our
laws
are
called
into
question
and
when
they
are,
the
legislative
record
and
legislative
intent
is
critical,
and
I
think
we've
made
it
abundantly
clear
what
the
intent
is
on
on
this
bill.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
and
do
pass.
Sb
328
incorporating
proposed
amendment
3318
and
not
the
additional
language
that
was
just
provided
to
us.
A
We
have
a
second
on
the
motion.
It's
been
moved
by
assemblyman
watts
seconded
by
assemblywoman
peters.
I
think
we've
had
quite
enough
discussion
on
it.
So
I'm
just
going
to
move
to
the
vote.
All
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
and
will
those
in
opposition
please
raise
your
hand
so
that
I
can
call
you
off
what
right
we
have.
Assemblyman
levitt,
assemblyman,
ellinson
and
sylvian
wheeler
assemblyman
roberts
motion
passes.
A
A
We're
just
gonna
go
to
public
comment:
okay,
okay!
Let's
do
that
so
with
that
we
will
close
the
work
session
on
senate
bill
328
and
the
last
thing
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
roberta
lang
state
senator
for
district
seven.
I
know
this
has
been
really
hard
for
all
of
us
and
it's
the
last
day,
the
last
moment
and
we've
all
worked
really
hard
on
this
and
I
know
tensions
are
high
and
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
my
appreciation
for
all
of
your
input
and
your
comments,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
continue
to
move
this
bill
forward.
I
think
it's
a
good
bill
for
nevada,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you.