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A
A
A
I
should
have
gotten
an
overflow
and
for
those
of
you
in
the
hallway,
we're
working
on
getting
that
due
to
the
late
start,
we
will
have
to
limit
comments,
so
we
will
have
two
minutes
of
comment
for
all
the
positions
for
support,
opposition
and
neutral
and
I'll
have
to
limit
it
to
15
minutes
total
for
each
section,
because
most
of
us
have
a
4
30
committee
that
we
will
have
to
get
to.
So
without
further
ado,
I
will
welcome
senator
brooks
to
our
committee.
C
Ready
thank
you
chair,
monroe,
moreno
and
vice
chair
watts
and
members
of
the
growth
and
infrastructure
committee.
My
name
is
chris,
brooks
center
senator
representing
senate
district
3
in
clark
county
and
if
it
is
okay
with
you,
chairman
moreno,
if
I
could
be
joined
at
the
table
by
mr
bob
johnston,
who
is
a
policy
analyst
for
the
the
senate,
democratic
caucus
and
helped
me
and
work
on
this
bill
and
a
few
others
of.
C
C
Deck,
it's
not
opening.
Okay,
that's
all
right!
C
You
have
it
in
front
of
you
and
I
will
reference
it
when
I
present
the
bill
so
senate
bill
senate
bill
448
was
about
my
desire
to
address
the
climate
crisis
that
faces
us,
while
creating
good
high-paying
local
jobs
and
economic
opportunities
for
the
state
of
nevada
and
industries
within
the
state
of
nevada
senate
bill.
448
really
hits
upon
a
few
key
points:
to
provide
economic
diversity
to
provide
new
high-paying
jobs.
Increase
grid
resiliency
in
the
state
provide
new
tax
revenues,
decrease
carbon
emissions
and
air
pollution,
and
increa
increase
economic,
environmental
justice
for
nevadans.
C
The
way
that
that
that
senate
bill
448
tries
to
accomplish
these
goals
is
by
taking
advantage
of
some
of
the
the
benefits
that
we
have
and
resources
we
have
here
in
the
state
of
nevada.
Nevada
has
almost
no
fossil
fuels,
so
we
import
over
8
billion
a
year
in
fossil
energy
in
the
form
of
gasoline
fuel,
natural
gas
and
electricity.
A
C
Thank
you
and
one
another
thing
that
we
have
is
we're
geographically
in
the
in
the
center
of
the
western
electric
grid,
and
we
are
adjacent
to
the
largest
energy
and
economic
load
in
the
entire
united
states,
and
we
have
a
very
well
established
workforce
here
in
the
state
of
nevada.
C
We
have
unions
and
apprenticeship
programs,
community
colleges,
construction
industries
and
universities
and
research
facilities.
We
have
very
good
infrastructure,
mainly
in
southern
nevada,
with
an
international
airport
relatively
new
roads
and
rail
and
new
transmission
and
distribution
systems
and
nevada
is,
has
a
very
business
friendly
climate.
It's
easy
to
do
startups
here.
We
have
no
corporate
income
tax
and
we
have
many
programs
and
policies
that
support
energy
projects.
All
of
this
kind
of
sets
the
table
for
what
we
tried
to
accomplish
with
senate
bill.
C
That
applies
to
some
of
the
provisions
of
this
bill
moving
forward,
and
I
will
just
briefly
go
through
it
and
then
jump
right
into
questions
on
the
bill,
because
you
all
have
the
the
slide
deck
in
front
of
you
and,
and
hopefully
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
over
the
last
couple
of
days,
but
the
transmission
infrastructure
piece.
It
does
two
things
and
one
of
the
the
main
things
that
it
does
is
it
it.
C
It
directs
the
utility
to
make
a
hundred
million
dollar
investment
in
charging
infrastructure
in
the
places
that
nevada
needs
charging
infrastructure
the
most
and
and
the
other
thing
that
it
does
is
it
creates
a
a
planning
and
and
planning
process
within
the
utility
planning
process
on
the
electrification
of
transportation
and
transport.
Electric
electric
electrification
of
the
transportation
sector
is
coming
as
a
result
of
technological
advances,
dropping
prices
and
consumer
demand
the
number
one
hurdle
for
the
adoption
of
electrical
vehicles
in
any
state.
C
We
need
to
make
charging
infrastructure
available
for
nevadans
and
and
the
the
other
benefit
of
that
is
it
drives
down
the
prices
of
electricity
for
all
other
nevadans,
as
we
see
more
and
more
charging
take
place.
Another
piece
of
the
the
bill
is
the
transmission
infrastructure
transmission
in.
If
you
look
at
one
of
the
slides,
I
think
it's
the
it
would
be
the
fifth
slide
on
on
the
slide
deck
and
again
I
apologize
for
not
being
able
to
manage
to
open
the
powerpoint.
Maybe
I
just
nope
sorry
about
that.
C
If
you
look
at
that
slide,
it
shows
a
picture
of
the
high
voltage
bulk
transmission
system
in
the
western
united
states
around
us
all.
Around
nevada
is
a
spider
web
of
of
high
voltage
transmission
lines
that
move
energy
around
the
west
nevada
is
a
very
conspicuous
kind
of
hole
in
that
donut
and
by
just
building
just
a
few
lines.
C
When
I
get
done
what
this
bill
does,
is
it
it
directs
the
the
investment
in
transmission
lines
across
western
united,
or
excuse
me
across
the
western
nevada
and
central
nevada,
to
connect
three
large
energy
hubs
that
we
have
in
southern
in
the
state
of
nevada?
On
the
eastern
part,
we
have
robinson
summit
on
the
western.
We
have
fort
churchill,
not
too
far
from
here
and
then
down
in
southern
nevada.
C
We
have
one
of
the
most
busy
and
active
energy
hubs
in
the
entire
united
states
right
outside
of
las
vegas
and
mead
and
marketplace
and
el
dorado
substations.
A
lot
of
that
infrastructure
put
in
place
almost
100
years
ago
now
by
the
hoover
dam,
and
so
by
connecting
the
dots
on
those
three
energy
hubs.
C
We
could
then
access
markets
and
the
northwest,
for
instance,
where
we
could
have
a
very
low
cost:
hydro,
zero,
carbon
hydropower
or
in
wyoming
and
idaho,
where
we
have
wind
or
in
the
southern
southwest
part
of
the
united
states,
where
we
have
excess,
solar
and
and
and
geothermal
generation.
C
By
connecting
all
of
those
together,
it
makes
a
far
more
resilient
grid
and
a
far
lower
price
energy
in
the
in
the
future
moving
forward
because
we
have
access
to
other
markets,
and
we,
you
know
if
we
just
saw
what
happened
in
texas,
where
their
transmission
system
was
isolated
from
the
rest
of
the
country.
C
Not
only
can
you
have
a
failure
if
you
had
high
load
incidents,
you
have
price
volatility
associated
with
that
by
spreading
your
load
and
your
generation
across
an
entire
region.
You
get
more
pricing
stability,
lower
prices,
more
access
to
markets
and
more
resiliency
in
your
transmission
system
and
that
that
lower
cost
electricity
gets
passed
on
to
all
ratepayers
and
all
consumers.
C
C
Electrification
is
the
reduction
in
pollution
as
well,
and
pollution
we
find
disproportionately
affects
traditionally
underserved
communities,
com
and
and
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
data
that
shows
that
asthma
and
other
pollution
related
illness,
ailments
and
and
sicknesses
and
diseases
are
concentrated
in
areas
where,
where
traditionally,
underserved
communities
live
and
have
lived
and
and
that's
no
different
in
southern
nevada,
northern
nevada
than
is
anywhere
else
in
the
country
and
so
by
by
trying
to
aim
and
direct
a
minimum
of
40.
C
Of
all
the
investments
made
in
this
electrical
electrification
infrastructure
plan
towards
those
communities
we're
trying
to
combat
what
has
been
the
disproportional
negative
effects
of
of
pollution
and
and
and
to
a
certain
extent,
climate
change
in
these
communities,
but
also
direct
the
benefits
and
the
opportunities
to
those
same
communities.
And
so
throughout
this.
C
This
bill
you'll
see
where
that
definition
is
used
and
we
have
rudy
zamora
from
chispa
who
will
come
up
right
after
me,
and-
and
I
worked
with
him
over
the
last
year
to
come
up
with
a
definition
and
data
to
support
the
definition
and
the
implementation
of
this
plan
to
help
target
the
the
underserved
traditionally
or
historically
underserved
communities.
And
so
I
just
want
to
thank
chispa
and
nrdc
for
that
work
that
we've
done
over
the
last
year.
C
So
40
of
the
of
the
investment
in
electrical
infrastructure
for
charging
would
go
be
directed
towards
those
communities.
Twenty
percent
would
be
directed
towards
the
entertainment
and
and
resort
communities,
because,
where
do
most
nevadans,
not
most
nevadans,
where
do
a
lot
of
nevadans
work
and
and
play
and
have
access
want,
had
to
have
access
to
charging,
and
that
would
be
in
those
same
those
same
resort
areas
where
are
all
the
tnc's
and
taxis
and
there's
a
few
bills
that
have
been
moving
through
this
legislature
that
address
this.
C
But
where
do
they
spend
most
of
their
miles,
driven
right
there
in
the
resort
corridor
and
where
do
most
of
the
tourists
to
nevada?
Go
to
right
there
in
the
resort
corridor,
so
we
wanted
to
direct
some
of
our
the
investment
specifically
there
to
specifically
live
on
those
properties
so
that
they
could
serve
their
employees
and
serve
the
the
visitors
to
our
state
and
then
direct
40
percent
of
all
the
investment
to
historically
underserved
communities
and
then
the
rest
of
it.
C
We
worked
on
for
a
few
years,
including
a
bill
I
did
last
session
was:
is
electric
school
buses
and
that
school
buses
are
just
a
a
perfect
candidate
for
electrification,
both
for
the
health
benefits
it
provides
to
our
children
who
ride
on
them,
but
because
they
they
park
in
one
place
every
night
and
and
so
and
they
have
a
very
set
schedule
of
when
they
run,
and
so
we
could
use
off-peak
power
to
charge
those
while
they
move
our
children
around
during
the
day
and
then
going
back
to
the
the
key
components
of
the
bill.
C
Before
we
jump
into
questions
and
possibly
explaining
the
individual
sections,
we
doubled
the
energy
efficiency
portion
that
currently
exists
in
law
for
low-income
families
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
we
directed
that
investment
towards
those
same
historically
underserved
communities
and
I
think,
having
just
a
little
bit
more
comprehensive
and
holistic
definition
of
the
folks
that
we're
trying
to
serve
in
nevada
is
going
to
serve
us
well
moving
forward.
C
And-
and
so
we
try
to
do
that
through
that
definition
of
historically
underserved
communities
as
it
applies
to
doubling
of
the
low
end,
a
doubling
of
the
low
income
portion
of
energy
efficiency
in
the
in
the
bill.
And
then
another
thing
we
do
is
we
expand
the
the
use
of
rooftop
solar
on
multi-family
and
generally
low-income
and
senior
living
facilities
in
the
state
of
nevada.
So
there's
a
business
model
out
there,
where
there
is
a
large
multi-family
home.
C
But
they
could
provide
that
energy
benefit
to
their
consumers,
who
live
there
on
site,
and
so
this
bill
addresses
that
issue
and
then
what
this
bill
does
also
is
it
addresses
resource
planning
instead
of
resource
planning,
to
keep
the
lights
on
tomorrow
or
resource
planning
to
meet
a
renewable
portfolio
standard
which
has
served
us
well
to
get
to
where
we're
at.
We
need
to
look
at.
C
It
should
all
be
based
on
one
thing
and
one
thing
in
mind
and
that's
getting
to
zero
carbon
by
the
the
goals
that
we've
set
for
ourself
as
a
state
and
and
in
a
bill
that
we
did
last
session
that
I
worked
with
a
lot
of
of
y'all
on
we.
We
did
set
those
standards
or
those
goals,
and
then
we
addressed
energy
storage
to
apply
the
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
program.
C
Really.
This
is
more
of
a
clarification
than
an
expansion.
This
allows
for
the
energy
storage,
that
is
being
energy
that
is
being
made
by
renewable
energy
under
the
current
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
program,
to
go
into
to
include
the
storage
component
of
that
as
well
into
the
overall
project.
The
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
project
and
made
a
slight
tweak
to
it,
because
technology
is
changing
and-
and
I
think
that
that
one
thing
is
is
kind
of
clear-
is
that
I
think
that
that
hydrogen
will
play
a
role
in
energy
storage
in
the
future.
C
Moving
forward
and
it'll
play
a
role
in
using
our
gas
pipeline
and
our
natural
gas
infrastructure
system
in
the
state
of
nevada.
I
think
hydrogen
is
part
of
that
mix
and
part
of
that
future
and
and
including
and
making
a
slight
tweak
to
this
this
language.
C
I
think
that
that
hydrogen
storage
created
by
clean
renewable
energy
for
the
purposes
of
of
other
uses
besides
electricity,
it
should
be
included
in
this
as
well
and
now
is
and
and
then
we
opened
up
the
economic
development
rate
writer
program
again.
This
existed
in
in
northern
nevada
very
successfully
to
attract
and
high
high
electricity
users,
which
are
really
beneficial
to
all
ratepayers
by
being
large
users
of
electricity.
C
At
times
when
large
24
7
users
of
electricity
benefit
us
all
by
driving
down
the
cost
of
electricity
for
other
users
on
the
system
and
the
jobs
that
they
create
and
the
economic
benefit
that
they
create,
are
incredibly
important
for
our
tax
revenues
and
for
the
jobs
that
that
that
we
need
here
in
the
state
of
nevada,
to
diversify
our
economy.
C
Hopefully
we
had
people
travel
a
long
way
to
to
that,
will
talk
about
the
benefits
of
that
and
and
how
this
has
helped
to
spur
development
in
southern
nevada
specifically,
but
was
incredibly
successful
in
northern
nevada
to
get
a
lot
of
industry
here
that
now
exists
here,
and
then
we
made
a
few
regulatory
cleanup
provisions
about
the
one
of
them
was.
C
There
was
some
kind
of
holdover
language
from
when
the
sierra
pacific
power
and
nevada
power
company
merged
as
nv
energy
and
made
a
few
tweaks
there
and
then
also,
as
we
are
moving
forward
with
investments
in
the
future,
and
we
are
telling
the
utility
and
and
and
directing
the
utility
to
make
sizable
investments
in
the
state
of
nevada.
C
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
they're
recovering
the
rates
on
that
they're
doing
that
in
such
a
manner
that
benefits
the
rate
payers
of
the
state
of
nevada
to
to
the
the
most,
and
so
while
I
think
that
you
know,
by
directing
a
private
company
to
bring
billions
of
dollars
of
capital
into
the
state
and
deploy
it,
a
rate
of
return
is
absolutely
something
that
should
be
allowable
and
and
encouraged.
But
at
the
same
time
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
some
oversight
and
accountability
as
they're.
Doing
that.
C
To
make
sure
that
nevadans,
you
know,
pay
the
absolute
least
amount
for
that
that
they
need
to,
and
and
all
of
this
is
under
the
in
within
the
framework
of
infrastructure
spending
and
federal
funds
that
will
be
coming
to
the
state
of
nevada,
so
we're
trying
to
create
a
framework
and
and
trying
to
create
methods
that
we
can
deploy,
that
federal
funding
infrastructure
funding
as
it
comes
to
the
state
and
there's
some
language
that
directs
that
here
in
in
the
bill
as
well.
C
So
I
know
it's
a
lot
and
I
I
tried
to
get
it
to
you
as
soon
as
I
possibly
can,
with
as
many
explainers
and
indexes
and
and
and
slides,
and
everything
to
try
to
help
make
digesting
75
pages
of
what
I
find
incredibly
fascinating,
riveting
reading.
But
you
just
might
not
make
it
he's
as
easy
to
digest
as
possible
and
and
with
that
there's
just
time
permitting.
I
just
have
a
few
other
people,
I'd
like
to
say
just
a
few
words
very
briefly.
If
that's
okay,
a
chair.
A
C
C
Online
on
nellis
is,
as
an
amendment,
a
proposed
amendment,
and
this
this
amendment
addresses
some
issues
that
were
raised
in
the
senate
hearing,
as
well
as
in
conversations
with
assembly
members,
and
I
just
want
to.
Maybe
we
could
walk
through
that,
first
and
foremost,.
C
There
we
go,
and
it's
an
amendment
that
says
submitted
by
senator,
brooks
to
assembly
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure
dated
today
may
25th
2021..
What
it
does
is.
It
adds
a
few.
We
were
having
conversations
with
many
assembly
members
and
just
the
way
these
bills
go
in
and
when
things
happen,
some
assembly
members
are
added
as
sponsors,
co-sponsors
and
and
then
we
make
a
few
small
changes
here
and
the
first
one
is
to
amend
the
the
definition
of
energy
storage
technology.
C
You're
taking
energy
in
this
case
created
by
electricity,
storing
it
to
be
released
at
a
later
time
and
that
envisions
it
being
used
for
something
besides
just
electricity
and-
and
I
think
that
that
speaks
to
the
the
future
of
of
transportation
and
gas
and
and
then
we
also
make
a
similar
change
to
section
four
to
accomplish
the
same
goals
and
then
on
amendment
number
three.
C
C
You
know
it
turns
out
when
you
put
the
governor's
office
of
energy
and
you
direct
them
to
do
things,
they
actually
need
to
have
more
resources,
and
this
allows
them
to
to
use
the
resources
they
have
available
to
them.
And
and
then,
when
you
go
to
amendment
four,
it
has
come
to
my
wage.
A
past
member
of
this
body,
who
I
keep
in
contact
with
regularly
mr
skip
daily
and
and
then
the
electrical
workers
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
was
some
changes.
C
I
made
in
the
last
legislative
session
to
how
we
do
the
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
that
are
just
not
working
for
all
of
industry,
and
so
this
makes
us
a
slight
change
to
how
we
view
wages
for
the
purposes
of
renewable
energy
projects
for
the
purposes
of
the
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
and
then
section
five.
The
amendment
to
section
this,
the
fifth
amendment
would
be
section
31
and
in
this
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force,
which
I
forgot
to
talk
about.
C
We
thought
that
it
was
incredibly
important
that
we
add
a
representative
of
the
native
american
nevadan
community
and,
and
so
we
added
a
member
appointed
by
the
nevada
indian
commission
to
that
as
these
transmission
lines,
when
we're
looking
at
the
state
of
nevada,
we
are
looking
at
the
entirety
of
the
state
of
nevada
and
from
a
citing
standpoint,
and
I
don't
know
who
better
to
be
on
a
process
where
we
make
those
decisions
than
a
representative
of
of
the
nevada,
indian
commission,
and
that
is
the
last
amendment.
C
The
amendments
are
relatively
simple
and
relatively
brief.
The
bill,
however,
is
not,
and
so
would
you
would
you
like
me
to
take
questions
from
members
who
have
to
leave
before
I
had?
I
had
any
other
presenter
come
up
or.
A
C
Thank
you,
and
so
up
next,
if
I
could
have
mr
doug
cannon
come
up
from
nv
energy,
who
will
be
making
all
these
investments
and
and
and
operating
all
the
systems
that
we're
talking.
C
D
There
we
go
for
the
record,
doug
cannon
president
and
ceo
of
nv
energy
chairman.
We
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
in
front
of
your
committee.
I
also
want
to
thank
senator
brooks
and
governor
sisselak
for
their
leadership
on
these
critical
energy
issues,
but
really
this
is
about
carbon
reduction
and
setting
up
a
sustainable
energy
system
for
the
future
for
generations
to
come.
It's
also
about
helping
nevada
recover
from
covid19
and
putting
nevadans
all
nevadans
to
work.
D
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
broad
basis
stakeholders
that
have
been
engaged
in
the
creation
of
this
bill.
I,
I
won't
dare
name
them
all,
because
I'll
forget
somebody,
and
that
would
be
a
mistake,
but
I
want
to
thank
that
broad
base
of
stakeholders.
It's
been
a
tremendous
community
effort
here.
D
Sb
448
advances
the
new
energy
economy
in
nevada.
First,
it
supports
development
of
critical
transmission
infrastructure,
essentially
the
interstate
highway
for
the
energy
system.
This
the
transmission
proposed
in
sb
448,
will
improve
reliability
for
all
nevadans.
It
increases
development
of
renewables
to
reduce
carbon
emissions.
It
increases
energy
capacity
to
support
economic
development
throughout
our
state
and
improves
the
ability
to
import
and
export
energy,
as
nevada
is
a
central
participant
in
a
western
energy
market.
D
This
infrastructure
will
create
nearly
four
thousand
skilled,
labor
good,
paying
jobs
here
in
nevada.
It
will
have
690
million
dollars
of
direct
economic
benefit
based
on
a
2.5
billion
dollar
investment.
Some
may
ask
well
what
about
the
rate
effect.
Here's
the
example
that
I
can
provide
since
2013
nevada
has
eliminated
coal
generation
in
southern
nevada.
D
I'll,
say
that
again
rates
are
lower
today
than
they
were
in
2009,
with
all
that
investment
going
in
it
creates
new
opportunity
to
import
lower
cost
energy.
It
leads
us
to
develop
lower
cost
renewables,
all
that
bring
benefits
to
all
nevadans
because
it
keeps
money
in
the
pockets
of
families
so
that
they
can
use
that
to
support
their
livelihoods.
D
In
addition,
sb
448
puts
in
place
an
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
plan.
First,
there'll
be
a
three
year:
100
million
dollar
investment.
This
immediate
investment
in
nevada
puts
people
to
work.
It
puts
them
to
work
now
in
high
skilled
good-paying
jobs.
It
works
to
reduce
carbon
emissions
from
our
transportation
sector.
It
targets
investment
in
underserved
and
underrepresented
communities
to
ensure
all
nevadans
benefit
from
vehicle
electrification
and
all
nevadans
benefit
from
the
new
energy
economy.
A
C
D
I
don't
know
powerpoint
that's
cool.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record
david
bobzin.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
for
hearing
this
legislation
at
this
point
in
session.
We
very
much
appreciate
your
attention
and
I
wanna
thank
senator,
brooks
for
introducing
and
shepherding
this
legislation
and
incorporating
the
governor's
office
of
energy
in
the
presentation
we
are
here
in
support
of
the
bill,
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
couple
minutes
to
less
than
two
minutes
to
highlight
areas
of
support
for
the
legislation.
D
The
first
one
being
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force
in
december,
2019
governor
sysolak
joined
a
convening
with
other
governors
to
discuss
the
future
of
the
western
grid,
with
a
focus
on
price
stability
and
reliability
for
customers.
Economic
opportunity,
increased
adoption
of
renewable
energy
all
while
facing
the
pressures
and
impacts
of
a
changing
climate.
D
To
talk
about
the
future
of
the
grid
to
talk
about
how
markets
can
help
everyone
in
the
region
and
further
our
our
energy
goals,
and
so
we
stand
ready
at
the
governor's
office
of
energy
to
support
the
task
force.
We
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
inputs.
There
are
a
lot
of
complicated
issues
for
this
group
to
dive
in
on
and
we're
excited
about
the
work
and
ready
to
get
going
want
to
talk
about
our
support
for
the
expansion
to
storage
for
the
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
program.
D
Certainly,
a
lot
of
things
happening
on
the
storage
front
that
are
very
exciting,
contribute
to
economic
opportunities,
as
well
as
to
the
stability
and
reliability
of
our
electricity
grid.
Transportation.
Electrification
very
excited
about
this
one.
I'm
sure
members
are
all
very
familiar
with
the
work
that
we
do
at
the
governor's
office
of
energy
in
this
space,
and
so
we're
very
much
looking
forward
to
this
this
forced
multiplier.
D
I
want
to
particularly
call
attention
to
section
49
3c,
which
is
the
public
agency
electric
vehicle
charging
program,
and
that
requires
that
section
requires
the
utility
to
collaborate
with
the
departments
of
administration,
conservation
and
natural
resources,
transportation
and
goe
in
developing
the
program.
I'm
pleased
to
report
that,
in
anticipation
of
passage,
the
company
is
already
meeting
with
the
administration
on
on
this
particular
section,
as
well
as
the
broader
transportation
electrification
plan.
D
So
we're
very
excited
about
that
collaboration,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
that
as
the
ev
market
grows,
we
absolutely
want
to
ensure
that
all
nevadans
have
access
to
clean
transportation
by
supporting
the
development
of
this
infrastructure,
and
we
think
it's
very
innovative.
The
focus
of
40
of
the
bill's
transportation
electrification
plan
be
dedicated
to
investments
made
in
or
that
benefit
historically
underserved
communities.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that.
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
that
concludes
my
remarks.
D
C
B
B
The
enron
catastrophe
in
california
had
revealed
the
weaknesses
of
nevada's
energy
system
and
this
legislature
led
in
a
bipartisan
way
by
randolph
townsend
and
barbara
buckley
fashion
legislation
that
stabilized
that
market
saved
our
utilities
and
put
us
on
a
platform
to
go
forward
included
in
that
mix
was
rose.
Mckinney
james,
who,
yes,
michael
brown,
governor's
office
of
economic
development,
was
rose,
mckenney
james,
who
put
the
state
really
on
the
path
to
to
be
a
leader
in
renewable
energy.
B
So
much
so
that
now
we
are
looking
at
opportunities
in
this
area,
so
much
so
that
when
we
hired
sri
international
to
look
going
forward
as
to
how
the
state
comes
out
of
this
pandemic
and
builds
a
more
resilient
and
stronger
economy
recommended
that
we
become
a
real
leader
in
this
area
and
that
legislation
does
that.
It
is
an
opportune
time
to
consider
this.
B
This
is
an
opportunity
for
nevada
that
we
need
to
to
take
advantage
of.
These
companies
are
also
having
to
meet
wall
street
goals
for
environmental,
social
and
governance
commitments,
and
so
nevada
has
an
opportunity
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
meet
those
esg
goals.
And,
finally,
I
have
to
say
jobs,
jobs
and
jobs.
B
Our
advisors
at
applied
analysis
estimate,
the
green
link.
Nevada
will
create
690
million
dollars
in
economic
activity
and
support
close
to
4
000
jobs
with
a
400
million
dollar
payroll
and
the
man.
That
really
knows
these
numbers
is,
is
the
deputy
director
of
go
at
bob
potts
and
I'll?
Let
him
say
a
few
words
to
that
effect.
Thank
you.
E
E
My
name
is
bob
potts,
I'm
the
deputy
director
in
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development
here
in
our
northern
office,
and
I'm
here
to
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
economic
opportunities
of
this
greenlink
project
and
then
just
provide
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
the
business
development
activity
that
we
currently
have
going
on
here
at
goed
and
the
importance
this
project
is
to
overall
economic
development
and
diversification
in
the
state.
E
If
you
look
at
the
construction
days
of
this
project
that
pencils
out
to
a
dollar
44
return
on
every
dollar
invested,
and
that's
just
on
the
initial
479
million
of
nevada's
investment
in
the
total
project
cost
of
2.1
billion.
If
you
take
and
you
look
at
the
spin-out
numbers,
you
look
at
the
indirect
induced
spin-out
effects
that
are
those
are
expected
to
add
an
additional
211
million
in
economic
impact.
The
roi
on
that
number,
if
you
look
at
the
full
economic
impact,
is
a
dollar
88.
E
Okay.
Now
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
real
quickly
about
the
business
pipeline
activity
and
what
we're
seeing
in
the
state
before
I
do,
though,
however,
whenever
we're
working
with
companies,
whether
they
be
expansions
or
relocations,
what
they're
there's
always
a
laundry
list
of
what
matters
most
of
these
companies.
E
If
you
look
at
the
top
10
things
that
matter
to
companies
when
they're
thinking
about
making
these
kind
of
decisions,
you
know,
workforce
always
is
near
the
top,
but
everything
else
has
to
do
with
costs
and
energy
costs
are
always
in
the
top
five
okay.
What
is
the
cost
of
energy,
and
this
is
particularly
true
when
it
comes
to
manufacturers?
E
If
I
go
back
and
I
look
at
just
our
march
board
meeting
the
goethe
board
meeting
in
the
december
goeth
board,
meeting
over
90
percent
of
the
companies
were,
manufacturers,
nevada
has
shown
a
distinct
competitive
advantage
when
it
comes
to
manufacturing,
in
particular
advanced
manufacturing,
and
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
everything
we
can
to
keep
moving
forward
as
we
try
to
to
develop
out
in
to
diversify
our
economy.
E
Now,
looking
at
specifically
about
projects
that
we
have
in
the
cube.
Currently,
there
are
19
active
projects
and
there
are
14
projects
that
are
on
hold.
Okay,
the
19
active
projects
that
we're
working
on
right
now,
14
of
them
or
75
of
them,
are
manufacturers,
five
of
which
are
electric
vehicle.
E
Related
okay,
16
of
the
19
or
86
percent
of
them
are
in
clark
county
all
right,
and
this
creates
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
in
park
county
with
these
companies,
especially
when
so
many
of
them
are
manufacturing
and
dealing
with
the
pro
cyclical
issues
that
we
have
with
the
economy,
particularly
after
the
downturn.
After
this
pandemic
that
we've
gone
through
in
total,
these
projects
are
estimated
to
bring
in
twelve
thousand
over
twelve
thousand
five
hundred
jobs
at
or
above
the
state's
average
wage
and
about
nine
point,
seven
billion
dollars
in
capital
investment.
E
Okay,
now
we
know
not.
All
of
these
will
happen,
but
these
are
the
ones.
These
are
the
active
ones
that
we
have
going.
If
I
look
at
just
the
ones
that
are
on
hold,
we
have
14
of
them.
9
or
64
percent
of
them
are
manufacturers,
10
or
71
percent
are
in
clark
county.
These
projects
are
estimated
to
bring
on
8
400
jobs
at
an
average
wage
over
25
dollars
an
hour
and
well
over,
not
1.9
billion
in
capital
investment.
E
I
say
that
because
again,
they're
in
their
due
diligence
process,
and
so
I
know
those
numbers
are
going
to
grow
out
on
these
on
these
on
hold
projects.
So
again,
I
want
to
emphasize
that
of
these
19
active
projects
that
we're
working
with
right
now,
and
particularly
the
manufacturers.
I
have
to
a
company
asked
us
about
nevada's
renewable
energy
portfolio,
and
so
what
this
green
link
project
means
to
economic
development
and
diversification
in
the
state
is
critically
important
at
this
juncture.
C
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
was
wondering
if
I
could
bring
leslie
mojica
from
the
las
vegas
power
professionals,
which
represents
the
businesses
and
workers
who
would
be
working
on
the
majority
of
these
projects.
C
F
Good
afternoon,
chair
monroe,
moreno
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
leslie
mujica
l-e-s-l-I-e-m-u-j-I-c-a
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
las
vegas
power
professionals,
which
is
a
partnership
between
the
ibew
and
the
national
electrical
contractors
association
commonly
referred
to
as
nika.
It
is
an
honor
to
be
here
this
afternoon.
F
F
Our
apprenticeship
training
efforts
to
put
nevada's
back
to
work
to
build
the
infrastructure
itself
for
in
this
bill
have
been
ongoing
if
there
is
a
concern
about
lack
of
qualified
labor
available.
Let
me
assure
you
that
this
spring,
our
apprenticeship
received
nearly
2
000
applicants
to
fill
roughly
100
electrical
apprenticeship
positions.
F
Our
contractors
and
workforce
are
trained
in
evitp
in
putting
nevadans
back
to
work,
I
would
note
that
ibew
local
357
in
southern
nevada
values
having
a
diverse
workforce,
our
workforce
is
comprised
of
diverse
candidates
and
according
math
was
not
my
strongest
subject.
But
according
to
the
most
recent
eeoc
report,
I
came
up
with
42
percent
of
our
membership
being
diverse
and
our
apprenticeship
is
even
higher
at
a
five-year
average
of
63
percent,
which
means
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction.
F
G
Thank
you
senator
brooks,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
your
presenters.
We
appreciate
all
this
information.
I
actually
stayed
up
and
read
this.
It's
a
great
bedtime
story,
but
I
actually
stayed
awake
through
most
of
it.
So
I'd
like
to
just
ask
some
particulars.
First
of
all,
I
think
this
is
really
good,
but
I
just
need
some
details
and
that's
what
is
missing
from
from
from
my
perspective,
so
chandra
summers-
armstrong
assembly
district.
G
Six,
I
see
in
section
one
that
eight,
that
you
have
a
clear
definition
of
historically
underserved
communities,
but
that
you
are
also
talking
about
including
them
as
users
of
the
transportation
network,
and
I
think
that
that
should
we
should
also
be
looking
at
not
only
installing
the
the
energy
outlets
in
the
community,
but
also
as
owners
of
these
vehicles.
You
mentioned
earlier
that
inner
city
communities
often
have
high
rates
of
asthma
and
other
things.
I
know
this
I've
lived
it.
G
G
We
need
an
opportunity
for
folks
in
these
communities
to
be
able
to
own
these
vehicles,
not
just
to
have
charging
stations
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
would
like
you
to
speak
quickly
if
you
could,
because
I've
got
several
questions,
I
got
to
go
about
whether
there
is
a
whether
you
would
consider
adding
an
option
in
here
for
there
to
be
support
for
something
that
assemblyman
howard
watts
is
working
on
to
put
some
of
this
money.
G
This
10
percent
into
helping
folks
afford
vehicles,
as
they
are
replacing
old,
timers
some
type
of
a
program.
I
think
that's,
mr
watts,
can
speak
deeply
to
that
and
then
also
bringing
the
banking
commit
community
into
this
to
offer
low-interest
loans,
because
we
are
talking
about
underserved
communities,
part
of
assembly,
ward,
5
in
assembly
district
6
has
had
a
15
unemployment
rate
for
many
years.
So
we,
our
folks,
don't
have
a
lot
of
money.
G
It
is
not
enough
just
to
have
a
charging
station
in
my
neighborhood
and
I
don't
have
a
car,
so
you're
driving
in
my
neighborhood
to
charge
your
car,
but
I
don't
have
a
car
to
charge.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
concerning
to
me.
The
second
thing
is
that
there
is
a
lot
of
discussion
about
jobs,
but
there's
also
no
specific.
G
Carve
out
or
not
even
a
carve
out,
but
just
a
plan
for
the
folks
who
live
in
these
underserved
communities
to
participate
in
the
jobs.
So
ibew
has
a
program,
but
I'm
I'm
concerned
that,
if
we're
going
to
have
all
this
activity
in
these
communities
that
the
people
who
work
in
those
communities
also
should
be
recruited
and
trained
to
participate.
G
G
talked
about
community
engagement
meetings
and
there
was
only
one
that
was
required
and
I
thought
that
that
was
curious
and
that
we
need
to
we're
talking
about
bringing
a
new
technology
and
new
ideas
into
a
community
that
has
been
historically
underserved.
People
don't
know
about.
All
of
this
newfangled
stuff
and
that's
what
the
folks
will
say,
newfangled
stuff
and
we
need
to
have
more
than
one
community
engagement
meeting
before
any
here
it
is,
it
is
section
12,
two,
I'm
sorry
three.
G
It
says
during
the
nine
months
immediately
before
an
election
utility
files,
its
first
plan,
it
says
at
least
at
least
one
stakeholder
meeting.
I
think
that
more
than
one
meeting
would
be
advisable.
G
G
G
G
Because
again
we
are
talking
about
underserved
communities
to
be
to
participate
and
you're
talking
about
building
vast
infrastructure
right
in
these
neighborhoods.
So
if
you
could
really
speak
to
that,
I
would
really
appreciate
that,
and
my
last
thing
I
promise
I
have
more
but
I'll
I'll
talk
to
you
offline.
If
I
can
catch
you
efficiency,
I
know
in
the
past
that
we've
had
weatherization
programs
and
I
respect
that
those
programs
have
been
in
place,
but
those
programs
are
a
band-aid
on
a
bullet
wound.
G
That
was
not
built
to
be
efficient,
and
I
know
that
the
doe
has
a
program
of
whole
house
weatherization,
which
has
to
do
more
with
not
just
windows
and
doors,
but
also
infrastructure,
r,
30
in
the
ceilings
and
and
things.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
really
trying
to
say
is.
Is
I
like
the
idea,
but
for
a
community
like
mine,
that
has
had
promises
made
for
many
many
years.
G
G
And
so
I
would
like
there
to
be
more
details
and
direction
in
programming
so
that
those
things
really
are
actualized
and
not
just
great
ideas.
So
I'm
sorry
for
the
diatribe
I
do
have
to
go
shortly.
I'm
going
to
stay
because
I
really
want
to
hear
this,
but
I
want
you
to
know
that
I'm
excited,
but
it's
the
meat.
C
Well,
thank
you
for
the
questions,
assemblywoman,
summers,
armstrong
and,
first
of
all,
definition
of
ev.
This
matches
the
definition
of
ev
and
statute
and
and
federal
regulation
for
the
department
of
transportation
and
how
evs
are
defined
and
dealt
with
in
all
federal
regulations
as
well
state
law.
C
This.
This
does
not
address
incentives
for
evs.
This
does
not
address
giving
money
to
people
to
buy
cars.
It
does
not
it's
not.
It
wasn't
the
purpose
of
the
bill
and
it
doesn't
address
that.
Although
I
support
that,
I
just
don't
know
the
best
methodology
to
pay
for
that
and
and
then
to
your
earlier
statement
about
ev
the
cost
of
evs
going
up.
C
That
is
counter,
unfortunately,
to
every
other
data
point
that
I've
I've
collected
in
my
research
and
my
personal
experience
with
as
an
ev
owner
and
as
the
cost
of
evs
are
continuously
going
down
and
they're
estimated
to
go
down
at
an
even
faster
rate
than
the
cost
of
gasoline
engines.
But
I
would
love
to
see
what
what
data
you're
looking
at
in
the
article
that
you're
reading
to
expand
my
knowledge
on
on
this,
the
subject
matter,
but
as
far
as
expanding
to
hybrids.
C
This
is
about
the
charging
and
and
electrical
systems,
and
if
it's
a
plug-in
hybrid,
which
I
used
to
have
one
a
ford,
a
focus,
plug-in
hybrid
ford,
fusion,
plug-in
hybrid
and
I
could
plug
it
into
the
wall
and
it
was
a
hybrid.
These
systems
that
we're
talking
about
on
the
electrical
infrastructure
charging
would
benefit
that
type
of
a
vehicle
as
well
and
then
getting
to
the
job
recruitment
in
in
more
diverse
communities.
C
C
The
electric
excuse
me,
the
renewable
energy
training
facility
at
the
ibw
years
ago,
and
one
of
the
most
effective
ways
to
to
guarantee
a
living
wage
and
to
guarantee
equity
amongst
all
the
people
on
on
the
workplace
is,
in
my
opinion,
organized
labor,
and
so
tying
development
to
organized
labor
has
always
been
in
my
career,
one
of
the
best
ways
that
you
can
create
good
high-paying
careers
and
and
help
nevadans
get
to
and
stay
in,
the
middle
class
and
as
leslie
who
works
with
the
ibw
business
owners
as
well
as
with
the
the
ibw
union.
C
She
brought
out
the
this
graduating
or
this
this
most
recent
class
of
apprentices
that
we
take
in
train
up
and
then
put
out
into
the
workforce,
is
62
percent,
diverse
and
and
the
workforce
that's
currently
out
there
in
our
local
nevada
unions
is
40
over
40
percent.
That
is
much
higher
than
than
the
average
workforce
and
much
higher
than
the
average
construction
workforce,
and
that's
done
by
being
very
thoughtful
and
intentional
on
how
we
recruit
and
who
we
recruit
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
get
opportunities.
C
And
I
will
say
that
a
a
it
doesn't
matter
of
of
background
gender
race.
They
all
make
the
same
exact
amount
of
money
in
and
under
these.
C
These
collective
bargaining
agreements
on
these
projects
that
we're
building
out
that
we're
proposing
to
build
out
in
this
bill,
and
so
I
think,
that's
the
number
one
way
to
try
to
create
some
sort
of
and
achieve
some
sort
of
equity
in
the
workplace
and
and
that's
why
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
of
organized
labor
when
it
comes
to
construction
and-
and
I
worked
with
you
know-
I
was
on
the
board
of
directors
of
nevada
partners
for
years,
for
instance,
and
worked
with
that
build
nevada
program
where
we
were
connecting
folks
from
these
traditionally
and
historically
underserved
communities
to
the
building
trades,
to
create
long-term
long-term
pathways
to
a
middle
class
into
into
a
good,
safe
and
stable
working
environment.
C
C
Oh
for
each
quarter,
excuse
me
and
so,
and
what
we've
seen
in
the
past
is
that
it
it's
it's
quite
a
bit
more
than
that
me
and
chairman
moreno
have
been
part
of
those
of
some
of
those
engagement
meetings
on
other
pieces
of
legislation
that
required
public
utilities,
commission
involvement
and-
and
there
are
actually
some
folks
that
are
on
the
line.
Hopefully
that
would
support
this
bill
that
that
participate
in
that,
as
well
as
bob
and
some
other
organizations.
C
So
I
think
it
would
be
far
more
robust
than
just
one
per
quarter,
but
we
have
to
put
a
minimum
in
there
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
that
takes
place
and
and
then
the
above
above
ground
power
lines
and
the
high
voltage
transmission.
These
are
kind
of
two
separate
issues
and
that's
my
fault
for
putting
too
much
in
one
bill,
but
the
the
minimum
of
345
kilovolt
transmission
lines
and
above
grind
lines.
C
Those
are
exactly
the
same
kind
of
lines
that
you're
seeing
running
all
over
the
state
right
now,
we're
just
proposing
to
build
a
high
voltage
bulk
network
around
the
state
connecting
those
three
parts
of
the
state
that
are
in
your
slides
and
that
are
up
on
the
slide
right
now,
because
I
finally
figured
out
how
to
use
nellis
and-
and
so
that
is
that's,
not
something.
That's
in
the
neighborhoods.
That's
not
something!
That's
that's
in
our
our
core
of
our
communities.
C
These
are
long
distance,
high
voltage,
overhead
transmission
lines
that
we're
proposing
that
cut
like
the
ones
we
currently
have,
but
we
just
want
to
add
to
that
system
and
then
to
talk
about
the
last
piece
is
the
energy
efficiency
piece.
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly
that
we
need
to
have
more
energy
efficiency
and
the
folks
who
need
it.
The
most
are
the
folks
who,
who
have
the
least
opportunities
to
do
it.
C
If
you
don't
own
your
home,
there's
not
really
a
great
incentive
or
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
you
to
do
a
lot
of
energy
efficiency,
stuff,
the
big
stuff
like
the
windows
and
the
and
the
insulation
and
the
things
that
you
you
addressed
new
appliances.
C
But
but
what
there
are
are
there
are
programs,
and
the
programs
are
largely
through
the
utilities,
whether
it
be
nv,
energy
or
southwest
gas
that
their
programs
mandated
by
the
state,
but
where
they
offer
things
like
rebates
for
energy
efficiency
appliances,
and
in
some
cases
they
will
take
your
old
appliance
off
your
hand
in
like
a
case
of
a
refrigerator
and
put
new
appliance
in
its
place
and
those
are
targeted
in
those
same
communities
those
same
historically
underserved
communities.
We
have
programs
in
place
right
now.
C
We
could
go
and-
and
I
I'm
here
for
the
long
haul-
and
this
is
my
third
session-
and
I
I
make
I
make
a
little
bit
of
progress
every
session-
and
I
plan
on
being
here
for
a
few
more
and
and
this
doubling
the
amount
that
we're
putting
into
that,
I
think
is
significant,
but
you're
right.
C
It's
still
not
enough
and
I'll
be
back
next
session
to
work
on
doubling
it
yet
again,
there's
some
folks
behind
me
who
don't
want
to
hear
that,
but
maybe
you'll
work
with
me
on
that
one
next
session,
but
I'm
I'm,
you
know
incrementally
trying
to
get
it
done
and
and
so,
but
I
I
you
are
not
wrong.
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly.
We
need
more
energy
efficiency
and
we
need
it
for
the
nevadans
who
need
it.
The
most.
G
C
What
what
this
does
is,
if
you
look
at
it,
it
says
electrical
vehicle
charging
infrastructure,
and
that
means
that
means
a
couple
of
different
things.
I
think
we
all
think
about
like
an
electric
vehicle
charging,
a
charger
you
pull
up
and
you
plug
your
car
into
well,
that's!
Actually,
the
easiest
and
cheapest
part
of
the
entire
thing.
C
Getting
the
electricity
to
that
charger
and
having
the
infrastructure
that,
where
it
may
not
exist,
is,
is
really
what
the
investment
needs
to
be
about,
and
and
so,
if
we're
trying
to
put
in
charging
infrastructure
and,
for
instance,
like
older
neighborhoods,
I
live
in
a
55
year
old
house
with
rickety
overhead.
C
This
is
the
type
of
investment
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
making
investments
in
the
electrical
infrastructure
that
serves
the
charging
infrastructure
and
and
in
places
where
that
investment
needs
to
be
made,
and
so
that
could
be
two
things
that
could
be
where
the
charging
is
going
to
take
place
or
where
the
infrastructure
needs
to
be
upgraded
to
even
allow
the
charging
to
take
place
and
we're
trying
to
address
that
not
so
much
in
the
first
part
with
100
million,
but
in
the
second
part,
where
we're
going
to
have
stakeholder
engagement,
where
we're
going
to
have
conversations
and
we're
going
to
have
a
long-term
holistic
planning
process
that
involves
the
entire
community.
C
That
is
really
where
I
think
most
of
that
will
be
addressed.
But
you
know
there
there's
also
things
and-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
statement
that
I
just
want
to
read
that
came
from
one
of
the
charging
industry
folks,
but
that
this
would
also
create
new
opportunities
for
utilities
to
work
with
nevada
businesses
to
become
part
of
this
transition
to
electric
vehicles
and
in
this
bill
we
even
talk
about
this.
C
We
could
provide
incentives
that
could
be
used
to
offset
the
cost
of
charging
stations
through
rebates
and
that
could
take
place
at
for
a
resident
through
grants
or
through
utility
upgrades,
both
on
the
utility
system
or
assisting
the
customer
with
upgrades
on
their
property,
and
these
are
the
types
of
investments
that
we
we
envision.
Some
of
this
money
being
used
for
not
just
buying
a
charging
station.
You
know,
because
that's
really
the
easiest
part.
C
You
know
other
business
models
for
chart
providing
charging
to
nevadans,
and
this
will
send
an
important
signal
to
the
market
and
create
new
opportunities
for
our
nevada
businesses,
such
as
traditional
fuelers
and
retailers,
and
hospitality
providers.
Can
you
imagine
gas
stations
right
and,
just
like
you
would
fill
up
your
gas,
you
could
be
able
to
charge
so
this
this
investing
in
this
will
have
a
private
capital,
come
into
nevada
and
invest
in
electrical
vehicle,
trans
electrification,
creating
a
more
competitive
market
for
electric
vehicle
charging
services
and
and
providing
those
equipment
and
services.
C
I
promised
a
manufacturer
or
a
a
charging
company
business
model
that
I
would
make
sure
I
put
on
the
record
that
there
are
other
opportunities
out
there
for
for
nevadans
than
just
what's
in
this
bill
and
but
but
it
would,
it
would
leverage
the
private
investment
by
making
this
investment
today-
and
I
I
don't-
I
don't
disagree
with
the
thing-
a
single
thing
you
said
I
wish
we
could
do
more
and
and
I'm
coming
back
and
I'll
keep
trying.
A
D
D
Thank
you
thank
you
for
taking
on
this
challenge.
I
know
you've
been
building
up
to
this
for
a
couple
of
sessions
now,
and
this
is
really
an
amazing
feat.
You've
pulled
together
here
in
a
less
than
120
days
and
and
I
and
I
love
the
direction
of
the
bill,
I
love
the
investment
and
the
infrastructure
design,
the
inclusion
of
labor
and
communities.
I
think
it's,
it's
got
a
really
comprehensive
and
kind
of
holistic.
Look
at
what
needs
to
happen
in
the
state.
D
You
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
easy
ones.
First,
okay,
so
you
say:
zero,
carbon
and
you're
talking
about
zero
zero.
Are
you
talking
about
a
net
zero.
C
When
we're
talking
about
the
integrated
resource
planning
processes,
I
I
think
that
that
our
goal-
all
of
us
in
this
world
is
zero,
zero
and
but
I
think
that
when
you
get
to
diminishing
returns,
when
you
start
getting
closer
and
closer
to
zero
zero,
so
I
I
the
goal
is
zero.
Zero
technology
doesn't
currently
allow
that.
I
think
to
do
that
quite
affordably,
but
I've
been
in
this
business
for
20
years
and
in
the
renewable
energy
business
it
looks
so
different
today
than
it
did
20
years
ago.
D
I
like
the
goal,
because
then
it
gets
people
thinking
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
get
there
and
that
innovation
has
a
has
a
place
to
land?
Then
the
next
question,
if
I'm
yeah,
I
may
I'm
sorry,
thank
you
so
much
so.
Can
you
talk
about
what
it
takes
to
get
to
joining
the
regional
transpo
transmission
organization
and
how
that
2030
timeline?
D
How
we'll
reach
that?
What
the
like
in
between
times,
look
like.
C
C
A
regional
market
is
so
incredibly
important,
for
so
many
reasons
and
it's
been
identified
and
in
our
interim
study
it
was
one
of
the
things
that
that
chair
monroe
moreno
in
the
interim
energy
committee
that
that
came
up
and
was
put
forward
as
as
a
as
a
statement
and
a
priority,
but
it
requires
interstate
and
inner
utility
cooperation
and
that's
difficult.
C
That's
a
difficult
thing
and
so
transmission
is,
is
generally
an
interstate
proposition
and
right
now
we're
we're
we're
contemplating
making
an
intra-state
investment
to
still
facilitate
an
inter-state
and
interstate
excuse
me,
expansion
of
transmission,
kind
of
like
build
it
and
they
will
come
right
and
so,
but
it
doesn't
do
any
good
unless
you're
talking
in
a
regional
manner.
C
Iso
is
in
nevada
and
that's
a
valley,
electric
association,
and
so
they
are
california,
iso
utility
and
but
we
need
more
options
and-
and
you
know,
I've
gone
to
california,
iso,
I've
gone
to
the
nevada
or
the
california
legislature
on
multiple
occasions
and
participated
in
conversations
trying
to
kind
of
move
that
forward,
and
so
what
we're
doing
kind
of
more
now
is
having
a
more
holistic
conversation
in
the
west
and
me
and
and
chairman
moreno,
went
to
denver
and
talked
to
a
really
good
group
of
western
legislators
bipartisan
who
really
want
to
put
something
together
for
all
the
benefits
that
we
see,
that
this
can
bring
our
economies
and
then
senator
chris
hansen,
who
we
met
with
and
talked
me
and
chairman
moreno
did
in
denver.
C
He
right
now
in
the
colorado
legislature
has
a
companion
bill
to
this.
That
has
much
of
the
same
exact
language
and
his
is
moving
through
the
house
right
now
and
and
he's
originated
in
the
senate,
he's
a
senator
over
there
and
and
so
we're
kind
of
on
parallel
paths
and
texting
each
other
late
at
night.
C
On
the
other
end
on
nevada
and
try
to
really
move
this
conversation
forward
and
so
putting
together
a
task
force
that
has
a
diverse
group
of
of
users
and
planners
and
and
and
folks
with
ideas
on
how
we
can
plan
our
transmission
system
in
the
state.
To
really
it's
going
to
kind
of
happen
organically.
C
And
we
saw
that
with
the
energy
imbalance
market
that
nv
energy
has
entered
into,
which
is
kind
of
a
putting
the
toe
in
the
water
of
regionalization
and
it
saved
the
the
ratepayers
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
by
just
entering
into
a
kind
of
a
very
short
term.
A
look
at
what
regionalization
could
look
like.
But
we
want
to
have
a
big
conversation
with
all
the
states
and
california.
C
Because
right
now,
they're
the
only
market
or
the
only
kind
of
regionalized
trans
organized
type
of
market
in
the
west.
D
So
I
guess
down
like
just
kind
of
as
a
follow
up
on
the
nitty
gritty
of
this.
Is
there
a
formal
process
for
engaging
in
that,
or
is
it
establish
our
distribution
system
plan
to
connect
in
regionally
and
then
from
there?
We
have
established
that
regional
relationship
and
become
a
member
of
the
regional
transmission
organization.
C
So
so
me
and
mr
johnson
here
talk
about
this
all
the
time
and
it's
kind
of
all
of
the
above,
so
we're
starting.
You
start
when
you
build
transmission
lines.
None
of
this
means
anything
if
you
don't
actually
have
the
wires
right.
You
can
say
that
you're
in
a
regional
mark,
but
if
you
don't
actually
have
the
wires
in
place,
it
doesn't
really
mean
anything.
So
it's
it's.
C
You
build
transmission
and
then
you
enter
into
agreements
with
neighboring
states
and
and
then
you
do
things
like
the
energy
and
balance
market
or
the
the
day
ahead,
markets
that
are
available
that
are
happening
on
a
utility
to
utility
basis
and
a
utility
to
operator
basis,
and
but
all
the
wow.
C
You
could
be
creating
your
own
organization
and
so
we
say
enter
or
we
say,
join
or
create
in
this
bill,
because
it
could
be
something
like
us,
creating
a
a
regional
organization
and
then
other
states
joining
into
it
or
we
get
together
and
we
we
talk
to
other
states
and
we
we
collectively
create
an
organization
director,
bob
sien
had
had
to
leave,
but
director,
bobsien
and
all
of
the
governors,
western
governors
association
have
conversations.
C
C
Folks,
like
me
and
senator
chris
hansen
and
and
senator
holden
in
california,
are
having
the
same
conversations
about
how
do
we
work
together
on
a
legislative
front
to
accommodate
what
could
happen
at
the
executive
level
and,
what's
just
naturally
going
to
happen
by
businesses,
but
we
we
have
to
be
able
to
facilitate
that
so
that
we
can
get
the
benefits
of
it
as
a
state.
C
So
it's
kind
of
all
of
the
above
and-
and
you
know
me
and
bob-
have
really
fascinating
conversations
and
I'm
sure
would
bore
you
all
to
complete
death
about
this
for
hours
at
a
time
and
some
of
the
folks
sitting
behind
me
and
on
the
zoom
do
as
well,
because
we
think
this
is
really
the
key
to
decarbonization,
but
also
the
key
to
our
national
security
and
our
grid.
Resiliency
in
the
west.
D
Their
own,
my
last
question,
if
I
made,
has
to
do
with
the
number
of
plans
that
are
mentioned
in
the
bill,
designating
that
these
plans
have
to
be
submitted.
C
And
thank
you
for
that.
There's
been
quite
a
bit
of
conversation
with
the
public
utilities
commission
on
that
piece
of
it
because
we
say:
okay,
utility
go,
do
a
thing,
and
public
utilities
commission
make
sure
that
they
do
that
thing
right
and
and
and
and
submit
a
plan
and-
and
you
know
and
and
make
sure
you
protect
the
rate
payer
through
this
whole
process.
Well
through
that
there
have
to
be
these.
These
it's
a
very
and
you're
kind
of
in
this
industry
as
well.
C
It's
a
very
regimented
process
that
has
a
lot
of
procedure
and
and
process
built
into
it,
and
that
stuff
takes
time
and
resources,
and
it
just
doesn't
happen
overnight.
C
If
you
want
to
do
it
right,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation,
there's
actually
a
lot
of
not
as
much
as
some
would
like
more
than
I
did
detail
in
the
bill
about
those
timelines
and
and
and
when
the
utility
has
to
act
to
submit
a
plan
when
the
public
utilities
have
what
time
frame
they
have
to
approve
the
plan
or
modify
the
plan
and
then
when
the
plan
has
to
be
implemented,
and
so
this
is
an
aggressive
timeline
by
utility
planning
standards.
C
And
it's
going
to
take
some
resources-
chair,
carlton's
done
in
here
right
and
and
it's
going
to
take
some
resources,
and
this
this
bill
has
moved
through
the
senate,
finance
committee
and
and
and
resources
allocated.
But
but
really
it
takes
human
resources
and
human
capital
at
the
public
utilities
commission
and
at
the
governor's
office
of
energy,
to
really
be
able
to
move
something
like
this
forward,
and
you
know
it
will
pay
dividends
for
our
state,
but
it
does
need
human
resources
to
meet
those
those
deadlines.
C
D
E
D
E
D
You
know
it
provides
a
lot
of
things
that
we
need
to
move.
You
know,
move
our
energy
economy
forward
and
you
know
I
appreciate
all
thought.
D
C
This
is
the
type
of
language
that
would
exist
in
abatement
language,
not
necessarily
prevailing
wedge
language
and
length,
because
this
isn't
a
prevailing
wage.
This
is
just
based
on
abatement.
So,
like
we're
saying-
and
we
see
this
a
lot-
although
this
is,
in
my
opinion,
the
absolutely
most
effective
and
and
best
abatement
statutes
that
we
have.
C
C
We
are
going
to
abate
part
of
that,
but
in
return
for
that
abatement
and
that's
for
a
period
of
time,
but
in
return
for
that
abatement
you
must
pay
x,
y
and
z,
okay
and
this
language
right
here
and
it's
gone
back
and
forth
over
the
years.
I
tried
to
fix
it
last
session
and
I
broke
it,
so
I
didn't
make
it
better.
C
I
made
it
worse
and
I
and
the
industry
came
back
to
me
and
told
me,
hey,
you
know
that
thing
you
tried
to
fix
you
just
kind
of
made
it
worse,
and
so
this
is
an
attempt
to
fix
that
issue
and
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
by
the
companies
and
the
that
do
these
these
projects.
So
so
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
just
adjusting
what
is
included
in
that
wage.
C
It
used
to
be
everything
was
under
the
cap,
and
then
I
moved
everything
over
the
cap
and
now
we're
putting
some
of
it
back
under
the
cap,
and
so
this
is
me
trying
to
right
a
wrong
that
I
I
did
last
session,
which
was
trying
to
right
or
wrong
that.
I
think
I
did
the
session
before
that.
So
you
see,
I
see
a
pattern
here
right.
It's
a
good
thing.
E
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
senator
brooks
for
this
bill
and
for
the
packet
that
you
gave
us
the
unfortunate
thing
about
giving
us
a
packet
with
this
detail.
Is
it's
easier
for
us
to
pick
it
apart,
because
you,
you
kind
of
include
a
lot
of
information,
so
my
my
question
is
more
towards
this.
The
the
regulatory
section
section
35.
C
And
you
know
it
says:
no
presumption
of
of
of
prudence.
B
Of
any
recorded
expenses,
the
the
public
utility
has
the
burden
of
proving
reasonableness
and
prudence
and
that
that
to
me
seems
like
guilty
until
proven
innocent
and-
and
you
know,
that's
legal
jargon.
C
That
you're
using
there
and
it's
not
really
following
legal
precedent
in
in
the
way
you're
wording
it.
But
so
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
you
know
when
a
when
utilities
submitting
an
application.
B
Or
they're
trying
to
prove
their
their
reasonableness
and
prudence.
C
C
What
we're
doing
here
is
we're
saying
through
a
piece
of
legislation,
we
are
making
you
go
out
and
make
an
investment,
and
if
you're
going
to
make
that
investment
and
you're
going
to
recover
those
costs
and
we
define
how
they
recover
their
costs
through
here,
you
must
do
it
in
such
a
manner
that
you
have
to
prove
that
the
investment
that
you
made
was
prudent,
and
so
you
know
we
can
say,
go
build
a
line
from
a
to
b
and
it
costs
a
billion
dollars
and
it
does,
and
and
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
doing
that
at
the
lowest
cost
they
possibly
can
based
on
the
parameters
we
gave
them,
and
so
yes,
the
the
the
the
responsibility
lies
on
them
to
prove
the
prudence
of
their
investment.
C
That
is
currently
how
it
is
in
in
most
of
the
rate
making
for
the
electric
utility,
and
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
incredibly
clear
moving
forward.
If
we're,
if
we
are
putting,
basically,
we
are,
as
a
policy
statement,
saying,
go
and
invest
in
these
things
and
we
all
collectively
transmission
users,
utilities,
big
data,
centers
mines,
average
rate
payers,
like
everybody
in
this
room.
If
we're
all
going
to
pay
for
a
little
bit
of
that,
to
pay
it
back
over
over
decades.
C
And
so,
when
you
say
like
what
testimony
things
like
that,
it's
in
a
rate
case
and
it's
in
a
proceeding
and
there's
a
lot
of
smart
there's,
several
smart
energy
attorneys
sitting
behind
me
and
one
sitting
right
next
to
me.
That
could
talk
to
you,
and
this
is
even
where
I
start
getting
bored.
They
could
talk
to
you
for
hours
about
it,
and
but
it's
it's
that's
what
the
that's,
what
the
entire
public
utilities
commission
does.
C
You
have
interveners
and
you
have
large
rate
payers
and
you
have
the
utilities
and-
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we're
ordering
the
utility
to
go
out
and
spend
literally
billions
of
dollars
over
decades
that
we
are
making
sure
that
they're
doing
it
in
the
most
cost,
effective
manner
possible
and
this
language
helps
to
achieve
that.
In
my
opinion,
thank
you
for
that.
B
Follow
up
please-
and
this
was
like
the
most
interesting
part
of
what
I
read
so
I'll
do
so
when
we're
talking
about
you
know
this
provision,
and-
and
I
see
it
here
in
blue,
so
it's
a
new
provision.
I
would
imagine
what
what
would
be
the
what
if
it's
already
being
done,
what
would
be
the
reasoning
behind
even
putting
a
provision
of
that
nature
in
there?
If
it's
already,
it's
already
being
done,
it's
general
practice,
it's
already
being
being
being
accomplished.
What's
what
would.
C
At
all,
well
I
mean
we
want
to
guarantee
that
there's
no
ambiguity,
moving
forward
with
the
electric
utility
on
how
they're
going
to
recover
these
costs
that
they
are
going
to
the
responsibility
is
going
to
be
on
them
to
prove
the
prudence
of
of
the
investments
that
they
make
to
meet
the
these
goals.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
compact,
basically
between
the
state
and
the
utility
and
the
regulator.
C
We
tell
them
to
do
a
thing.
They
do
a
thing:
they
invest
billions
of
dollars
of
their
own
capital.
They
bring
in
private
capital
from
out
of
state
make
that
investment
in
our
state.
For
that
we
we
allow
a
recovery
of
that
cost
with
a
profit,
but
in
return
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
made
the
absolute
best
investment
on
behalf
of
the
rate
payer
and
the
taxpayer
possible,
and
this
is
just
language
that
we
feel
gives
us
some
comfort
that
when
they
go
through
these
regulatory
processes,
that
this
is
the
guiding
principle.
B
C
Yeah
I
mean
there's
a
there's,
an
entire
fleet
of
attorneys,
that
that
make
a
good
living
at
working
in
front
of
the
public
toys
commission
representing
the
largest
ratepayers
and
representing
the
largest
utilities,
and
so
that
it's
it's
it's
a
thing
and
it
it's,
and
I
I
have
a
lot
of
good
friends
that
I
respect
on
both
sides
of
that
argument,
and
but
it's
this
is
just
something
that
that
you
know.
If
we're.
If
we're
gonna
make
through
a
piece
of
policy,
a
private
company
make
a
multi-billion
dollar
investment.
C
Two
things
should
happen.
They
should
be
able
to
get
a
a
legitimate
and
reasonable
return
on
that
investment,
and
we
should
make
sure
that
they
make
the
most
prudent
investment
possible
on
behalf
of
the
state
of
nevada,
and
so
this
this
language
tries
to
achieve
that
and
it
doesn't
undermine
any
current
court
cases
by
any
other
utility.
If
that's
the
question,
you
want
to
ask,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
court
cases.
E
Thank
you,
madam
sharon.
I
I've
got
a
couple
questions
and-
and
you
talked
about
land
abatement,
you
know
public
lands,
they
do
receive
pilt
into
them
areas
and
the
pills
go
back
to
help
cover
the
loss
and
the
tax
bases.
So
I
I
hope,
that's
something
you
take
into
consideration
because
that's
going
to
be
a
loss
back
into
the
county
for
infrastructure.
C
Yes,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
assemblyman
nelson,
and
what
what
this
does
is
it
actually
turns
it
into
the
the
abated
part
is
that
is
the
state's
portion
of
the
of
the
property
tax.
That's
the
baited
part.
The
local
property
tax
all
goes
to
the
to
the
local,
the
county,
where
these
projects
take
place,
and
so
it's
it's.
It's
a
net
benefit
to
the
county
and
to
the
state,
but
the
the
majority
of
that
benefit
goes
directly
to
the
county,
because
it's
just
they're
turning
that
into
local
property
tax.
C
Thank
you
for
that
question,
so
it
there
there's
a
two-part
answer
to
that
and-
and
you
know
it
starts
with,
we
have
to
submit
a
plan
right
after
you
know
upon
passage
and
approval
and
well
this
late
in
the
session.
I
guess
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
upon
passage
and
approval
and
and
they
would
they
would
have
a
certain
time
frame
which
is
defined
in
here
to
submit
a
plan.
C
C
That's
already
something
that's
moved
to
the
public
utilities,
commission,
so
the
money's
already
being
spent,
and
then
the
second
part
of
that,
but
but
we
also
think
that
that
that
massive
transmission
build
out
will
take
place
in
the
next
six
years,
and
so
it
just
takes
a
long
time
to
do
these
things.
C
But
the
flip
side,
one
of
the
things
the
most
important
components
of
this
bill
is
when
that
transmission
build
out
that
transmission
build
out
would
facilitate
a
minimum
of
six
billion
dollars
of
renewable
energy
projects
in
these
pre-designated
zones
through
the-
and
I
have
the
slide
up
right
there-
that
that
in
those
zones
it
would
facilitate
six
billion
dollars
of
investment
in
our
state
and
the
second
that
something
like
this
is
announced
that
the
land
acquisition
starts
taking
place.
The
interconnection
agreement
start
the
substations
start
getting
planned
to
be
built.
The
second.
C
This
gets
approval,
the
other
money
that
isn't
even
part
of
the
economic
benefit
of
this
line
right
here,
the
billions
and
billions
of
dollars
and
the
tens
of
thousands
of
jobs
that
come
with
that
that
investment
starts
the
day.
This
gets
approved
because
they're
already
just
jumping
at
the
bit
looking
at
ways
to
get
into
nevada
so
that
they
can
be
part
of
this
new
energy
economy.
So
I
would
say
immediately-
and
some
of
it's
already
being
spent
today
without
this
even
being
passed
yet
because
some
of
these
processes
are
already
ongoing.
E
E
The
problem
is,
is
it
it
takes
a
while
to
get
that
many
people
in
there
and
get
them
trained
and
my
biggest
fear
is.
I
was
hoping
mr
brown
can
answer.
This
biggest
fear
I
have
is
I'm
in
business
also,
several
businesses,
the
biggest
problem
I
see
is
workforce
and
I
know
that
the
apprenticeship
programs
out
there
but
labor
force
unless
the
government
steps
up
and
says
look,
you
guys
have
got
to
get
back
to
work,
and
I
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
do
this.
E
But
I
know
that
mr
brown,
I
think,
oh
he's
still
here
good,
that
mr
brown
could
probably
answer
some
of
these
questions.
That
we've
got
to
do
something
as
a
state
to
get
these
people
away
from
the
tv
and
back
in
the
workforce,
and-
and
I
know
that
sounds
cruel,
but
out
there
you
can't
hire
people
nowhere.
E
You
can't
find
laborers,
you
can't
find
people
that
qualified
people
so
we're
having
a
big
problem
throughout
the
whole
state,
not
only
you
know
in
las
vegas,
but
out
in
the
rules,
it's
really
bad
to
find
workforce.
So
I'm
hoping
that
that
the
governor's
office
has
got
a
plan
to
move
forward
to
try
to
get
these
people
back
to
work,
and
that's
that's
what's
going
to
stimulate
the
economy
also
is
to
get
these
people.
E
This
is
a
great
job
to
get
people
to
work,
but
you
got
to
get
them
and-
and
I
know
the
unions
are
boosting
up
for
the
apprenticeship
programs
and
some
of
this
stuff,
but
you
still
got
to
have
people
out
there
right
now.
That's
going
to
be
doing
this
and
the
other
last
thing
I've
got
is
envy.
Energy
should
have
the
right
right
now,
based
on
you
know,.
E
Their
system,
they
could
go
in
right
now
and
start
building
their
grid,
and
all
they
got
to
do
is
get
approval
by
the
puc
in
some
of
these
areas.
So
right
now
they
they
could
be
moving.
I
mean
they've
got
probably
more
power
than
most
of
these
people
as
far
as
moving
some
of
those
transmission
lines
out
there
now
is
that
not
true.
C
C
What
this
does
is
this
allows
for
some
of
the
other
expansions,
the
tying
from
the
west
to
the
across
central
nevada,
and
this
creates
the
framework
for
the
the
regionalization
or
renewable
or
excuse
me,
transmission
planning
task
force,
and
but
it
really
allows
for
some
substation
build
out
along
the
way
and
and
some
connecting
to
loads
and
things
like
that
and
so
you're,
absolutely
right,
they're
already
working
on
the
on
the
green
link.
C
West
piece
of
this
is
something
that's
already
been
approved
by
the
commission
and
and
this
just
augments
that
and
makes
it
into
a
more
kind
of
comprehensive
plan
to
look
at
the
whole
region
of
nevada
and
how
we
tie
it
all
together
and
open
up
all
these
opportunities.
C
Instead
of
just
a
little
bit
here
and
a
little
bit
there
based
upon
the
way
that
the
planning
processes
currently
work
and
then
to
talk
about
the
average,
the
wages
and
and
creating
this
need,
and-
and
you
heard
miss
mohica
talk
about
opening
up
opportunity
for
a
class
of
of
a
hundred
electrical
workers
and
had
over
a
thousand
applicants.
If
we
go
out
there
and
we
we,
you
know,
we
have
the
certainty
that
they're
going
to
be
these
thousands
of
jobs
out
there.
C
Then
we
can
just
ramp
up
the
apprenticeship
programs
across
the
entire
state
and
start
opening
up
these
classes
and
going
out
and
recruiting
folks-
and
you
know
like
through
programs,
that
I
used
to
work
on
at
nevada
partners,
for
instance,
where
we
just
went
into
communities
these
historically
underserved
communities
and
tried
to
connect
opportunities
from
from
those
folks
to
the
apprenticeship
program.
And
what
hurdles
are
in
the
way?
Is
it?
Is
it
one
year
of
algebra
that
you
need?
Is
it
child
care
that
you
need?
Is
it
a
ged
that
you
need?
C
How
do
we
connect
that
person
with
that
career
opportunity
through
apprenticeship
and
so
we're
working
with
a
college
of
southern
nevada?
We're
working
with
organizations
like
nevada
partners
and
organizations,
like
you
know,
workforce
innovations
here
in
the
state
and
and
dieter
to
try
to
create
all
of
those
pathways
to
get
folks
there
and
then
once
they
do
get
there.
This
tax
abate,
the
tax
abatements
in
in
this
project.
C
They
say
that
if
you're
going
to
get
these
tax
abatements
and
these
tax
abatements
make
it
worthwhile
to
come
to
our
state
and
invest
billions
of
dollars
of
capital,
you
get,
you
must
pay.
175
percent
of
the
average
statewide
statewide
hourly
wage,
that
is
a
good
wage
and
that
that
will
motivate
people
to
get
into
those
jobs
and
work
themselves
through
those
apprenticeship
programs
and
get
into
those
trades.
And
this
is
a
this
is
a
10-year
plan
and
it,
but
it
starts
tomorrow.
E
C
Well,
we
we're
we're
blessed
with
having
being
such
a
new
town
that
having
new
infrastructure
down
in
southern
nevada,
believe
it
or
not.
Nevada
is
one
of
the
most
urban
states
in
the
entire
united
states.
I
mean
we're
sitting
up
here
and,
and
you
know
historic
carson
city
and
had
to
drive
through.
C
You
know,
500
miles
of
beautiful,
beautiful
mountains
and
desert
to
get
here,
but
the
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
about
85
percent
of
our
state
lives
in
two
little
valleys
and,
and
so
we
are
very,
very
well
suited
for
the
electrification
of
transportation,
hopefully
in
in
this
infrastructure
world
that
we
live
in
over
the
next
few
years.
We
address
public
transportation
in
those
two
valleys
as
well,
but
all
that
what
this
goes
after
is
the
electrification
of
our
existing
transportation
networks,
including
personal
vehicles.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
work
on
this.
I'm
excited
about
nevada,
being
a
regional
energy
hub.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
for
a
point
of
clarity.
For
my
mind
in
the
rooftop
solar
section,
I
believe
it's
in
section
36
10.
B
B
Okay,
and
does
that
also
apply
to
individually
owned
property?
So
if
it's
a
single
family
residence
that
has
solar
on
top
that
they
would
not
also
be
able
to
charge
for
generated
power
or
whatever.
C
That
is
correct,
so
so,
basically
we
have
net
metering
laws
here
in
the
state
and
that
that
look
at
individual
power
users
behind
the
meter.
What
this
does
is
it
says
that
even
if
I
use
my
grandma
as
an
example
there's
one
meter,
they
pay
one
power
bill,
but
you
know
they
have
a
hundred
units
that
live
there,
but
all
all
things
are
included
in
my
grandma's
rent.
C
She
pays
rent,
it's
it's
subsidized
senior
housing
in
north
las
vegas,
and
so
she
pays
rent
into
just
pays
rent
to
her
landlord
and
with
that
comes
electricity
comes
her.
Water
comes
her
heat
and
and
the
rent
for
her
her
house
we're
just
saying:
that's
the
same
as
you
putting
solar
on
your
roof.
One
meter,
one
customer
one
one
bill
to
envy
energy
that
it
doesn't
matter
how
many
folks
live
there
right
and
so
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
define
here
in
this
in
this
piece,
this
part
of
the
legislation.
B
Okay,
cool-
and
I
I
think
that's
great-
I
just
just
for
clarity
for
me
again-
the
it
says
that
they
are
individually
metered,
so
like
in
the
scenario,
do
you
describe
there's
one
bill
that
I'm
assuming
for
the
entire
property
correct?
But
if
there
are
multiple
units
and
each
unit
has
you
know
its
own
meter,
that
does.
C
B
C
In
this,
that
is
correct.
That
is,
this
does
not
address
that,
and
in
that
scenario
each
individual
person
has
their
own
meter
has
their
own
account
within
with
with
the
ut,
the
electric
utility,
whoever
that
might
be,
and
they
they
don't
own
the
roof-
it's
if
you
think
about
it,
just
logistically
and
and
how
you
would
accomplish
that
it
doesn't
really
lend
itself
to
this
type
of
of
of
cogeneration.
B
C
Service
yeah,
and
that
is
currently
something
that's
not
allowed
in
the
state
and
and
perfectly
not
something
that
I
I
necessarily
support
being
allowed
in
the
state,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
like
a
lot
of
mischief
in
that
business
model.
B
D
I
I
do
very
much
like
this
bill
and
I
appreciate
your
amendment
my
questions.
I
have
a
couple.
First,
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
my
colleagues,
question
relative
to
section
35.
and-
and
please
forgive
the
the
where
this
question
comes
from.
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
public
utilities
in
general,
serving
on
this
committee
throughout
the
course
of
this
session,
and
I've
really
enjoyed
that
opportunity.
F
B
E
B
B
They'd,
you
know
accomplish
that
act
and
then
they
and
then
it
would
really
come
to
the
commission
really
for
the
first
time
for
detailed
review
after
the
fact
and
by
then
you
know,
the
deed
is
done,
and-
and
so
you
get
these
after
the
fact
disallowances
of
expenses.
B
So
what
happened
with
resource
planning-
it's
been
around
nevada
coming
up
on
40
years
now
is
the
utility
commission
is
brought
in
on
the
front
end,
so
the
so
the
utility
comes
into
the
commission,
with
its
trian
triennial
integrated
resource
plan
and
requests
approval
under
the
three-year
action
plan
to
take
certain
acts,
acts
you
know
on
the
supply
side
or
demand
side
and
they
get
an
approved
plan,
and
once
that
plan
is
approved,
those
actions
are
deemed
prudent.
B
So
that's
step
one
step
two
is
they
have
to
go
actually
build?
The
plan
build
a
transmission
line.
You
know,
implement
the
energy
efficiency
programs
and
then
cost
recovery.
App
happens
for
for
most
costs
in
a
general
rate
case,
that's
step
two,
they
say:
okay,
you
said
we
could
build
this
substation.
We
built
the
substation.
Now
we
want
to
roll
it
into
rates
at
that
second
step.
D
Have
one
follow-up?
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
believe
that
I
heard
mr
potts
say
that
there
is
a
dollar
44
return
on
every
dollar
invested,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
heard
that
clearly
for
every
one
dollar,
we
get
a
dollar
44
in
return.
C
Thank
you,
miss
brown
or
assembly
woman
brown
may
that
is
correct.
Mr
potts
did
say
that,
and
he
was
referring
specifically
to
the
transmission
line
investment
and
there
is
leveraging
investments
that
that
we're
not
even
talking
about
there.
So
he's
talking
about
the
specifically
the
transmission
line,
investment,
not
even
the
industries
that
it
could
draw
or
the
renewable
energy
generators
that
might
hook
up
to
it.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Senator.
I'm
really
excited
no,
not
really
I'm
just
kidding,
but
I
thought
I'd
get
you
going
for
a
minute
so,
but
and
if
it's
a
dollar
44
per
year,
tell
me
where
to
invest.
But
my
question
for
you
is
about
the
embed
abatements
on
public
lands
on
these
abatements.
Are
these
going
to
affect
our
pilt
payments
because,
as
we
know,
that's
the
amount
of
land
you
have
versus
the
amount
of
land
you
use
et
cetera.
So
it's
just
going
to
affect
that
in
any
way.
C
So
so
assemblyman
ellison
asked
the
same
question
on
on
that
and
yeah
and
and
it's
and
so
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
that
affects
that,
to
be
honest
with
you.
But
what
that
what
this
does
do
is
this
takes
the
the
otherwise
federal
lands
and
then
the
private
developer
enters
into
an
elise
with
with
the
the
the
feds,
usually
the
blm,
and
then
the
now
the
taxable
value
of
that
land
it
just
like
it's
like
it
would
like.
C
It
was
turned
over
the
all
the
property
taxes
to
that
go
straight
to
the
county
in
which
the
project
takes
place.
So
it's
it's
you're,
you're
converting,
although
you're
not
looking
at
the
the
loss
calculation
in
in
the
the
calculation,
you
were
talking
about:
you're,
converting,
otherwise
untaxable
land
into
actual
taxes,
and
so
while
it's
abated
it's
it's
the
state's
version.
It's
the
state's
share.
That's
abated!.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
I
think
I
might
be
the
last
person
on
the
committee
that
hasn't
asked
a
question
yet
so
again,
thank
you
for
the
thorough
presentation
of
a
of
a
thorough
bill.
First,
I
just
want
to
again
put
a
quick
comment
on
the
record.
You
know
that
I
support
and
appreciate
a
lot
of
the
work
that's
been
done
in
terms
of
incorporating
equity
into
into
this
bill
and
into
policies
in
general.
F
F
So
you
know,
having
worked
on
some
of
this
stuff
before
and
we've
seen
how,
when
we
don't
build
those
things
into
policies,
sometimes
they
they
just
don't
get
distributed
in
the
way
that
they
need
to
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
to
put
my
appreciation
on
the
record
for
your
work
to
make
sure
that
we're
building
that
into
our
policies
moving
forward.
F
C
Thank
you
for
the
question,
assemblyman
watts
and
first
I'll
start
with
the
the
the
conversations
around
equity
and
the
conversations
around
how
we
look
at
nevadans
and
who
benefits
from
what
is
it's.
It's
not
a
new
conversation,
but
it's
really
matured
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
I
know
just
in
the
last
three
sessions,
the
most
significant
improvement
in
that
process
for
me
has
been
in
the
work
that
was
done
really
over
the
summer.
C
C
It
we
put
words
on
paper
in
this
building
and
then
that
those
words
turn
into
laws
that
turn
into
actual
actions
and
so
putting
words
that
will
actually
turn
into
actions
is
sometimes
the
hardest
thing
to
do,
and
I
just
you
know
so
grateful
for
the
team
that
I
worked
with
yourself
included
rudy
at
chispa
and
the
whole
nrdc
team
and
wra
like
just
helped
me
get
to
a
place
where
we
now
have
words
on
paper
that
will
achieve
those
goals.
C
Hopefully,
and
so
that
being
said,
the
the
it
is
two
parts.
It
is
definitely
two
parts,
but
they
do
complement
each
other,
and
so
the
first
is
those
targeted
investments
in
certain
sectors.
C
None
of
this
is
good
for
anyone
if
it
doesn't
get
used
so
just
putting
up
a
charging
station
at
some
place,
because
somebody
in
some
room
or
some
guy
like
me,
thought
it
was
gonna.
Do
the
right
thing
for
the
right
people
doesn't
do
anybody
a
bit
of
good
and
and
the
only
way
that
these
things
really
benefit
all
of
us,
including
folks
who
don't
have
electric
vehicles
all
ratepayers
is
by
getting
the
absolute
highest
level
of
usage,
and
so
that
should
be
our
primary
consideration
and
then
we
should
say:
how
do
we
do
that?
F
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
yeah
so
just
again,
to
really
clarify
so
we're
going
to
make
this
investment
and
that's
going
to
give
us
enough
kind
of
information
from
from
the
projects
that
we'll
be
seeding
with
that
that
we
can
step
back
and
evaluate
and
really
figure
out
which
things
are
working
really
well,
which
things
aren't
and
then
moving
forward,
continue
to
make
investments
using
that
knowledge
to
make
sure
that
again,
they're
getting
high
utilization,
which
also
helps
ensure
that
the
ratepayers
are
being
protected,
because
high
high
utilization
means
that
they're.
F
C
Commission
that
look
at
these
things
and
they
you
know
they're
using
data
of
traffic
data
and
where
people
are
and
and
and
things
like
that,
and
so
I'm
far
smarter
than
I
am
on
where
they
should
cite
these,
but
but
we'll
definitely
get
definitely
a
learning
experience
from
that.
First,
investment
to
really
inform
how
we
make
our
next
investments
through
a
long-term
planning
process.
F
That's
great,
I
really
appreciate
that
and
one
other
question
I
wanted
to
ask
real
quick
is
just
around
federal
funding,
so
I
saw
that
I
think
in
the
transmission
portion
of
the
bill,
there's
a
reference
about
trying
to
utilize
federal
funding
where
possible.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
federal
resources
in
this
building
and
in
general,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that
and
then
knowing
that
there
is
the
transportation
electrification
in
other
aspects.
F
Just
your
your
perspective
on
what
are
the
opportunities
that
we
have
to
utilize
potential
federal
infrastructure
funds
to
support.
You
know
the
programs
that
are
envisioned
within
the
bill.
C
Thank
you
for
that
question,
assemblyman,
watts
and-
and
you
know
it
kind
of
goes
without
saying
that
if
federal
funds
become
available,
they
need
to
go
to
this.
But
we
felt
like
we
said
they
didn't
wanted
to
say
it
anyway
and
and
there's
precedent
for
this
like
so
I
could
see
you
know
the
biden
administration
and
this
congress
saying:
okay,
we
want
to
encourage
transmission
and
the
way
we
want
to
encourage.
C
It
is
not
necessarily
write
checks
to
transmission
companies,
but
they
could
say
the
the
20,
the
26
investment
tax
credit
that
currently
exists
for
renewable
energy
assets
apply
that
to
transmission
lines
and
that's
actually
a
bill
moving
through
congress
right
now,
and
if
you
were
to
apply
that,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
capex
on
on
the
this,
this
whole
project
in
front
of
you
just
went
down
26
and
well,
it's
not
exactly
26,
but
it.
C
The
26
tax
value
would
be
applied
to
this
project
and
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
we
made
sure
that
that
was
something
that
we
were
directing
the
utility
to
do
and
there's
there's
precedent
for
it.
If
you
recall
early
in
the
trump
administration,
there
was
a
large
corporate
tax
cut
that
took
place
well
that
affected
the
local.
The
utilities
in
our
state
and
the
public
utilities
came
in
and
said:
here's
the
tax
cut.
C
You
got
x,
amount
of
dollars
from
it,
give
that
to
the
rate
payer,
and
so
that
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we're
trying
to
kind
of
direct
and
so
that
if
federal
funds
became
available
there
to
the
benefit
of
the
ratepayer.
F
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
just
want
to
say
again
thanks
for
all
all
the
work
that
you've
put
in
on
this.
I
appreciate
that
those
those
database
definitions-
I've
actually
borrowed
from
them
for
a
piece
of
legislation
that
my
colleague
referenced
in
relation
to
taking
on
smog
and
vehicle
pollution
and
yeah.
There
is
a
bill
to
try
and
provide
some
assistance
to
folks
and
being
able
to
obtain
vehicles,
and
I
think
that
it
will
complement
the
the
investments
in
infrastructure
that
are
contemplated
within
this
bill.
A
Thank
you.
So
that's
almost
everyone
on
their
committee
asking
questions,
there's
only
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
address.
That
was
not
asked
when
you
look
at
section
36,
subsection,
10
on
the
net
metering.
I
didn't
see
anything
in
there
that
says
the
energy
savings
of
the
owner
that
they'll
receive
with
the
rooftop
solar
would
be
passed
on
to
the
tenants.
A
C
And
thank
you
for
the
question
chair
monroe
moreno
me
and
bob
kind
of
had
a
little
bit
of
a
debate
about
that
me
and
mr
johnston
kind
of
had
a
debate
about
this,
and
really
it
comes
down
to
the
the
market
dictates
what
the
the
housing
market
dictates,
what
the
cost
of
that
unit
is
going
to
be,
and
and
so
in
a
lot
of
these
particular
business
models.
C
It
subsidized
low
income
and
senior
housing,
and
there
is
a
certain
amount
of
competition
and
they're
getting
hud
credits,
they're,
getting
federal
credits,
sometimes
they're,
getting
new
market
tax
credits
and
all
kinds
of
different
stacks
of
benefits
and
tax
credits
to
try
to
drive
the
cost
down,
because
these
are
subsidized
generally
housing.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
we're
just
trying
to
help
the
property
owner
lower
their
operating
expense
and-
and
it's
really
hard
for
us.
C
I
don't
know
how
you
necessarily
dictate,
or
even
true
up
what
those
savings
are
and
how
they
get
passed
on
to
the
the
tenant
in
in
this
particular
case,
and
so
it
just
seems
like
it's
kind
of
implied
and
but
almost
impossible
to
prove
how
what
the
benefit
is
and
how
it
gets
passed
on
and
into
what
measure.
C
I
guess
you
could
just
say
to
the
extent,
there's
a
benefit
pass
it
on
to
the
tenant,
but
that
seems
we
ran
into
a
lot
of
obstacles
in
trying
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
to
say
that.
Does
that
make
sense
like
it's
to
me?
It's
just
implied
like
if
there's
lower
operating
expenses
and
you're
in
a
market
competing
with
other
providers
of
low-income
housing.
Then
it's
just
going
to
help.
You
provide
better
low-income
housing.
A
C
And
and
I
I
use
the
example
of
like
you
know,
if,
if
a
property,
this
doesn't
incentivize
it,
this
doesn't
say
you
get
an
incentive,
this
doesn't
say
you
must
it
just
says
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
you
are
viewed
as
if
you
are
one
customer
behind
one
meter.
That's
all
it
does
and
it
facilitates
the
decision
of
the
property
owner
to
do
that
or
not
do
that
if
they
like
to
but
like
it
would
be
going
out
and
putting
in
high
efficiency
air
conditioning
units.
C
A
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
chairman.
Romano,
absolutely,
not
absolutely
not.
As
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
that
there
might
be
things
especially
around
just
the
continual
evolution
of
workforce
development
that
there
might
be
things
that
that
has
paved
the
way
for
and
that
this
would
complement.
A
Perfect,
so
I
know
that
there
was
a
comment
earlier
that
there's
a
lot
in
this
bill
that
came
in
120
days,
but
I
think
we've
heard
through
questions
and
testimony.
This
is
work.
That's
been
in
the
process
for
more
than
a
year
and
thank
you
for
the
work
and
thank
you
for
allowing
those
of
us
that
worked
on
it
with
you.
We
didn't
always
agree,
but
I
think
we
came
to
a
pretty
good
bill
so
see
no
other
questions
from
the
committee.
A
We
will
now
open
it
up
for
testimony
and
support,
and
I'm
going
to
just
preface
that
some
members
may
have
to
leave
to
go
to
another
committee.
Please
don't
think
they're
not
interested
in
the
the
content,
but
we
do
have
other
committees
going
on.
C
And
madam
chair
on
on
the
zoom
there's
a
handful
of
folks
who
wanted
to
come
present
in
support
of
the
bill
that
weren't
able
to
make
it
because
of
our
hectic
legislative
session
schedule
in
the
senate
hearing.
And
so
I
don't
know
if
you
could
go
to
them
as
well.
But
I
appreciate.
B
Good
afternoon,
chair
moreno
for
the
record,
my
name
is
danny
thompson,
I'm
representing
ibew,
1245
and
396..
These
are
the
workers
who
will
construct
this
green
link
that
you
see
there.
B
I
would
tell
you
these
jobs
are
not
for
everybody,
they're,
very
dangerous
jobs,
if
you're
afraid
of
heights.
You
can't
do
that
job
if
you're,
afraid
of
electricity.
You
can't
do
that
job
they're
highly
trained.
They
serve
a
four-year
apprenticeship
and
we're
excited
about
opening
up
the
apprenticeship
program
to
more
apprentices
that
we
will
train
to
do
this
work,
because
not
just
those
four
000
jobs
you're
talking
about.
B
If
you
look
at
that
map,
really
close
the
benefit
to
rural
nevada
can't
be
understated,
because
all
of
those
zones
that
are
identified
on
that
map
are
potential
renewable
generation
sites,
and
that's
that's
the
other
thing
that
nevada
has.
We've
got
a
lot
of
gold
mines,
but
we've
got
a
lot
of
places.
B
If
you
look
at
a
map
of
america,
that's
the
best
you're
going
to
get
when
you
look
at
solar
opportunities
and
renewable
generation,
and
so
this
is
an
exciting
new
opportunity
and
I
have
to
tell
you-
I
first
met
chris
brooks
21
years
ago
when
he
was
just
out
of
the
apprenticeship
program
and
he
was
promoting
solar,
then,
and
so
literally
this
guy's
been.
He
didn't
just
start
doing
this
when
he
got
here.
He's
done
this
his
whole
life,
and
we
want
to
thank
him
for
introducing
this
bill
and
urge
you
to
support
it.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
matt
griffin
with
the
griffin
company,
I'm
here
today
on
how,
on
behalf
of
my
client
switch
switch,
is
a
global
infrastructure,
corp
global
technology
infrastructure
corporation
and
has
been
named
in
the
top
ten
of
global
leading
companies
for
its
investment
in
utilizing
solar
energy
by
the
solar
energy
industries,
association
we've
been
powered
by
100
renewable
energy
since
2016,
and
the
next
coming
years
will
be
powered
by
rob.
Roy's
kicking
hot
one.
B
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
switch
to
offer
our
strong
support
for
this
legislation.
Sb
448
as
it
represents
nevada's,
ongoing
commitment
to
making
nevada
renewable
energy
leader,
regionally
and
nationally
nevada
needs
more
transmission
infrastructure
for
renewable
energy
and
more
storage
to
meet
our
sustainable
energy
goals
and
to
become
a
key
regional
player
in
the
clean
energy
future.
We
encourage
regulators
to
embrace
innovation,
explore
ways
to
reduce
costs
for
all
rate
payers,
and
we
specifically
thank
the
sponsor
and
everybody
who's
worked
on
this
bill
for
bringing
it,
and
we
urge
your
support
today.
B
C
C
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record
susan
fisher
with
mcdonald
carano
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
ovation,
development
and
also
circ
energy
and
able
grid
energy.
Circ
energy
is
a
geothermal
company
based
here,
not
based
here
in
nevada,
but
they
do
have
operations
here
in
nevada,
we're
very
excited
about
having
additional
transmission
supply
because,
as
you
know,
you
can
put
solar
in
certain
places,
but
geothermal
is
where
it
is
so.
B
It'll
be
nice
to
have
access
to
additional
transmission
and
able
grid
energy
is
an
energy
storage
company
and
we
are
agnostic
on
the
type
of
energy
that
goes
into
it.
We're
we're
very
excited
about
having
additional
opportunities
there.
Alan
malaski
with
ovation
development
was
not
able
to
be
here
today
to
speak,
and
he
asked
me
to
put
some
comments
on
the
record.
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
his
comments
into
the
record,
but
just
a
few.
B
He
is
the
ceo
and
founder
of
ovation.
Development
innovation
has
built
and
managed
over
8
000
apartment
homes
in
southern
nevada
and
they
have
about
another
2
000
homes
in
the
works
right
now,
in
addition
to
their
market
rate
communities
they're.
One
of
nevada's
major
providers
of
senior
affordable
housing,
as
you
heard
from
senator,
brooks-
and
I
will
add
also
that
on
the
the
tenant
solar,
which
is
what
I
refer
to
as
the
solar
on
apartment
we've
been
working
with
senator,
brooks
on
this
for
over
four
years
now.
B
B
The
mclaskey
family
has
been
advocates
of
renewable
energy
since
1979,
and
that's
the
year
that
alan
mulaski
built
three
passive
solar
homes,
the
first
ever
built
in
the
country
and
his
father
erwin
malaski
has
been
recognized
by
the
usgbc
for
a
lifetime
achievement
for
his
many
buildings
that
obtain
gold
standards,
and
we
are
very
much
in
support
of
senate
bill
448,
which
will
allow
the
owners
of
multi-family
properties
to
install
renewable
energy
systems.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
we'll
have
two
more
people
here
in
person
and
then
we're
going
to
go
to
zoom
to
be
fair.
Thank
you,
madam.
D
Chair
mackenzie
warren
with
mcdonald
carano,
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
state
department
association.
Madam
chair,
to
address
your
question
directly
about
section
36,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
text
my
executive
director
and
said
we're
here
in
support,
because
we
plan
on
passing
on
the
savings
to
our
tenants.
I
got
a
quick.
Yes,
we
are
162
000
units
we
are
67
percent
of
all
multi-family
innovation
properties
is
one
of
our
largest
members.
It
is
their
intention
to
implement
this
in
their
senior
living.
D
D
We
use
power
to
keep
the
lights
on
in
our
parking
lots
in
our
community
spaces
hallways
the
pool,
the
gym
and
just
anecdotally,
I
think,
apartment
shopping
looks
different.
I
think
these
days
folks
are
looking
for
greener,
more
sustainable
living
options
and
and
those
living
in
apartments
should
have
access
to
those
greener,
more
sustainable
options.
We're
happy
to
support.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Hydrogen
alliance,
which
is
a
trade
association
comprised
of
some
of
the
national
and
international
leaders
in
deploying
hydrogen
fuel
cell
and
related
technologies.
Excuse
me
the
the
western
states
hydrogen
alliance,
finds
that
this
is
a
bill
which
is
very
complementary
with
the
development
of
hydrogen
technologies.
B
Senator
brooks
alluded
to
some
of
those,
particularly
in
the
storage
of
energy.
Hydrogen
has
been
identified
by
the
national
renewable
energy
lab,
as
perhaps
the
ideal
long-term
storage
option.
We're
also
pleased
to
see
that
nv,
energy
and
other
stakeholders
are
beginning
to
look
at
hydrogen
technologies,
which
represent
a
another
huge
economic
opportunity
in
the
clean
energy
space.
A
B
B
B
A
D
B
Good
afternoon,
chairman
roy
moreno
vice
chair
watts
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
sarah
steinberg
and
I'm
a
policy
principal
with
advanced
energy
economy.
Awa
is
an
industry
association
comprised
of
businesses
dedicated
to
making
the
energy
we
use,
secure,
clean,
resilient
and
affordable.
We
also
manage
the
advanced
energy
buyers
group,
which
represents
the
interest
of
large
electricity
consumers
interested
in
meeting
clean
energy
goals.
B
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
before
you
today
to
support
sb
448
and
the
provisions
that
move
nevada
towards
participation
in
a
western
wholesale
energy
market,
also
known
as
an
rto,
a
regional
transmission
organization,
and
thank
senator
brooks
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
A
western
rto
should
be
a
priority
for
all
states
that
have
committed
to
ambitious
clean
energy
goals
and
want
to
achieve
those
goals
in
an
efficient,
cost-effective
and
reliable
way.
B
For
whom
electricity
is
a
significant
monthly
expense,
it
does
so
by
harnessing
competitive
forces
and
creating
a
platform
to
share
excess
low-cost
resources,
often
renewables
like
solar
and
geothermal
around
the
region,
the
sharing
displaces
higher
cost
and
dirtier
resources
and
allows
for
more
affordable
renewables
to
come
online.
It
also
coordinates
infrastructure,
planning
and
more
efficiently
uses
existing
infrastructure.
B
Finally,
large
energy
users
and
data
centers
are
increasingly
looking
to
expand
into
states
that
give
them
access
to
low-cost,
reliable
and
clean
electricity.
These
companies
prefer
locations
within
an
rto
which
enable
more
renewable
and
affordable
purchasing
options
to
power
their
operations.
Sb
448
makes
nevada
an
attractive
destination
for
these
large
employers.
B
D
Thank
you,
chairman
monroe
moreno
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
Carolyn
turner,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
rural
electric
association
and
nre
is
here
today
in
support
of
sb
448
and
we'd,
like
to
thank
senator,
brooks
for
all
of
his
work
on
this
bill.
Nrea
represents
the
collective
interest
of
10
consumer-owned
utilities
throughout
the
state
of
nevada,
which
are
democratically
governed
and
operated
on
a
not-for-profit
basis.
Each
utility
is
motivated,
first
and
foremost,
to
provide
safe,
reliable
and
affordable
electric
service
to
the
communities
it
serves.
D
Consumer-Owned
utilities
have
a
vested
interest
in
a
robust
transmission
network
that
supports
the
economic
development
goals
and
vitality
of
all
nevada
communities.
Both
rural
and
urban
nre
members
acquire
and
deliver
electricity
independently.
However,
the
majority
of
our
members
receive
transmission
services
from
envy
energy,
as
demand
on
the
energy
system
has
grown
in
our
state.
Congestion
has
occurred
within
the
confines
of
existing
infrastructure.
It's
critical
that
future
projects
address
these
capacity
limitations
and
prioritize
the
needs
of
native
load
within
our
state.
D
In
addition
to
investment
in
physical
infrastructure,
sp
448
contemplates
the
formation
of
an
organized
energy
market
in
the
west
over
the
next
decade.
Nra
takes
no
position
on
any
particular
market
construct.
At
this
time,
however,
we
are
very
supportive
of
the
establishment
of
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force,
envisioned
in
section
31
of
the
bill.
Nra
would
further
like
to
thank
senator
brooks
for
including
a
representative
of
the
consumer-owned
utility
industry
on
the
test
task
force
in
recognition
of
the
unique
perspective
we
offer.
D
B
B
We
had
a
larger
presentation,
but
due
to
time
we're
going
to
shorten
this,
but
we
helped
senator
brooks
come
up
with
the
historically
underserved
communities
and
we
have
submitted
an
exhibit
on
how
those
maps
would
lay
out
and
what
those
categories
are.
But
overall
we
are
here
to
support
sb
448,
especially
section
12.
That
includes
the
language
to
ensure
that
at
least
40
percent
of
the
funding
investments
in
electric
transportation
infrastructure
reached
the
historically
underserved
nevadans,
who
most
need
the
benefits
of
serial
emission
transportation
due
to
decades
of
environmental
injustices.
B
Low-Income
and
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color
in
nevada
have
been
more
exposed
to
air
pollution,
breathing
dirtier
air
that
harms
our
health
and
racist
financial
costs.
Low-Income
people
of
color
especially,
are
more
likely
to
live
in
to
live
near
major
sources
of
pollution
like
interstates
and
highways.
Investing
in
zero
emission
transportation
could
go
a
long
way
to
address
disproportionately
shared
pollution.
B
Our
community
wants
to
see
these
investments
in
electric
vehicles,
charging
infrastructures
being
made
in
neighborhoods
and
in
the
modes
of
transportation
that
we
most
use
not
only
electrifying
personal
vehicles,
but
also
school
buses,
transit
buses
and
vehicles
to
use
for
car.
Sharing
this
all
this,
as
well
as
well-funded
public
transit,
can
clean
up
the
air
and
reduce
the
number
one
source
of
the
transfer.
The
transportation
sector
36.
B
Like
to
express
our
support
for
language
requiring
10
of
energy
efficiency
plan
expenditures
to
be
spent
in
low-income
households
and
schools,
and
historically
underserved
communities,
despite
using
less
energy,
low
income,
households
or
people
of
color,
are
spending
higher
portions
of
our
income,
paying
energy
bills.
Energy
efficiency
programs
must
be
targeted
and
marketed
to
our
communities,
and
this
is
the
first
step
to
ensure
we
reduce
energy
costs
and
low-income
families
and
people
of
color
in
nevada.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
D
A
D
Good
afternoon,
laura
grenier
for
the
record
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
resort
association,
chair
and
committee
members,
I'd
like
to
thank
senator
brooks
for
his
work
on
this
bill
and
acknowledge
his
efforts
to
advance
renewable
energy
to
development
and
job
creation.
Nevada's
resort
industry
is
a
world-class
leader
in
sustainability,
environmental
protection
and
clean
energy
development.
Nra's
members
are
committed
to
identifying
and
implementing
solutions
to
reduce
greenhouse
gases
and
carbon
emissions
and
promote
energy
and
water
conservation.
D
For
instance,
mgm
resorts
recently
built
america's
largest
contiguous
rooftop
solar
array
at
the
mandalay
bay
convention
center,
one
of
many
examples
of
nra's
members,
leadership
on
sustainability
and
renewable
energy
issues.
We
have
worked
very
hard
with
the
sponsor
nv
energy
and
the
public
utilities
commission
to
resolve
our
concerns,
and
we
appreciate
all
of
the
time
and
effort
on
that.
D
D
Again,
we
appreciate
the
collaboration
of
the
sponsor
nbe
and
the
puc
in
preparing
the
language
included
in
amendment
744
to
help
ensure
the
puc's
discretion
on
full
regulatory
regulatory
authority
remains
in
place.
As
senator
brooks
mentioned,
it's
critical
that
the
agency
retain
all
of
its
tools,
discretion
and
jurisdiction
to
monitor
rate
impacts
and
utility
earnings
with
regard
to
senate
bill,
448's,
eb
infrastructure
provisions
and
our
main
members,
I
would.
A
A
D
D
D
The
nature
conservancy
supports
a
new
energy
economy
and
investments
in
clean
energy
which
are
necessary
for
addressing
the
urgent
threat
of
climate
change.
Bills
such
as
sb
448,
represent
important
steps
for
nevada.
We
believe
that,
as
we
take
these
important
steps
toward
the
greener
future,
any
scenario
for
energy
build
out
should
include
strategic
implementation
that
allows
for
our
economy
to
thrive
while
balancing
impacts
on
our
ecosystems,
this
can
be
done
with
smart
from
the
start
planning.
The
nevada
climate
strategy,
published
in
december
2020
highlighted
the
need
for
smart
from
the
start.
D
Renewable
energy
planning
in
the
complex
challenges
for
nevada
section,
a
smart
from
the
start.
Energy
plan
identifies
and
prioritizes
lower
impact
areas,
renewable
generation,
storage
and
transmission
can
be
deployed
while
minimizing
impact
to
natural
lands,
cultural
resources,
recreation
and
other
conservation
values.
D
Applying
such
an
approach
to
future
transmission
plans
under
consideration
in
the
state
will
allow
us
to
achieve
our
climate
goals
while
creating
a
more
efficient,
equitable
and
comprehensive
process.
Such
a
process
generates
value
for
all
parties
by
harnessing
knowledge
from
diverse
stakeholders.
Synthesizing
this
knowledge
improves
planning,
permitting
coordination
and
implementation
decisions
and
increases
the
odds
that
renewable
projects
will
minimize
costs,
maximize
economic
benefits
and
prevent
avoidable
mistakes.
D
We
want
to
alert
the
committee
to
our
written
30
seconds.
It
describes
the
benefits
of
a
smart
from
the
start
approach
to
energy
planning
and
offers
recommendations
for
next
steps.
We
can
take
to
ensure
that
we
deploy
energy
resources
in
a
way
that
minimizes
adverse
impacts
for
both
people
and
nature.
Thank
you
so
much
for
consideration
of
our
comments.
A
E
D
P-A-T-R-I-C-K-D-O-N-N-E-L-L-Y,
I'm
nevada
state
director
at
the
center
for
biological
diversity.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee
members,
for
speaking
in
opposition
to
sb448.
Today
there
are
many
elements
of
the
bill
that
we
support
and
we're
in
full
support
of
a
rapid
transition
to
a
carbon-free
future,
but
the
transmission
portion
of
this
bill
is
unacceptable
and
forces
us
to
oppose
the
one
thing
nobody
spoke
about
today
is
where
the
heck
are
we
going
to
put
all
of
this
renewable
energy?
D
The
new
transmission
lines
will
open
up
vast
amounts
of
our
wild
spaces
to
enter
renewable
energy
development.
And
yes,
it's
likely
that
we
need
to
have
some
sacrifice
zones
in
order
to
meet
our
renewable
energy
goods
up
gold,
but
sb
448
has
no
provision
for
planning
for
this
renewable
energy
future.
The
philosophy
here
is:
let's
build
a
couple
billion
dollar
transmission
lines
that
ratepayers
put
the
bill
for
and
let
the
market
figure
out
where
to
put
solar
farms.
D
There
could
be
huge
consequences
to
this
greenlink
north
follows
the
path
of
the
loneliest
road
in
america,
us-50
across
some
of
the
most
remote
and
beautiful
places
in
the
state
through
austin
and
eureka
beloved
landscapes
to
nevadans
internationally
iconic.
I
bet
many
of
you
have
driven
down
the
loneliest
road
at
some
point
but,
as
I
said,
sd448
contains
no
planning
and
the
energy
build
the
transmission
line
through
there
and
it
could
turn
into
the
loneliest
solar
farm
in
america
if
we
don't
have
planning
to
ensure
appropriate
siting
of
these
facilities.
D
D
Line
without
it,
this
bill
jeopardizes
the
values
which
make
nevada,
so
wild
and
great
such
an
analysis
would
likely
show
that
the
environmental
impacts
and
social
impacts
of
building
a
transmission
line
along
the
loneliest
road
would
not
be
acceptable
to
most
nevadans.
Until
such
an
amendment
is
put
forward,
we
must
oppose
this
bill.
Thank
you.
A
A
Thank
you
so
much
so
senator
brooks
you
brought
a
large
number
of
people
with
you
today
and
I
said
that
I
would
give
15
minutes
for
opposition
15
minutes
for
support
and
15
minutes
for
neutral,
because
there's
so
many
people
in
the
room.
The
opposition
did
not
use
the
total
amount
of
time
so
that
remaining
amount
of
time
that
would
have
been
for
opposition.
For
those
of
you
that
came
to
testify
and
support.
I
will
give
you
that
remaining
time
I
am
going
to
step
out
to
go
vote
in
a
different
committee.
D
Thank
you
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
jessica
ferrato
here
today
on
behalf
of
sia,
the
solar
energy
industries
association.
For
the
sake
of
brevity
today,
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
bill.
I
want
to
specifically
highlight
the
provisions
on
the
rto.
We
think
that
this
is
going
to
position
nevada
to
be
a
leader
across
the
west
we'd
like
to
thank
senator,
brooks
for
all
the
work
on
the
bill
and
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you.
B
For
the
record
rose
mckinney
james,
I'm
here
representing
valley,
electric
association,
the
ceo
mark
stalins,
was
unable
to
attend.
I
believe
during
his
remarks.
The
sponsor
of
the
bill
mentioned.
That
valley
is
the
lone
utility
that
is
a
member
of
the
cal
iso,
been
very
active
in
the
transmission
space
and
the
renewable
energy
space,
and
we
simply
wanted
to
go
on
record
in
support
of
this
measure.
G
For
making
this
the
path
forward
oppressed
express
my
great
appreciation
to
senator
brooks.
I
think
he
is
a
bold
and
important
leader
in
the
space.
B
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
testimony.
Is
there
anyone
else
in
the
room
wishing
to
provide
testimony
and
support,
seeing
none?
We
could
go
back
to
the
phone
lines
broadcast
production
services.
Can
we
see
if
we
have
anyone?
That's
on
the
phone
that
would
like
to
testify
and
support.
We
still
have
a
little
bit
of
time.
E
E
B
Thank
you
vice
chair
good
afternoon.
D
Andy
donahue
for
the
record,
with
the
labor
employers,
cooperation
and
education
trust
I'd
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
such
particular
attention
and
would
like
to
support
the
bill
as
was
presented
today
and
to
conclude
we'd
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
andy
for
the
record.
E
G
D
Project
in
support
of
sb
448
for
the
sake
of
efficiency,
I'll
keep
it
short
and
just
say
that
we
are
very
grateful
to
senator
brooks
for
introducing
this
long-awaited
piece
of
legislation,
and
we
strongly
urge
the
committee
to
support
this,
and
we
definitely
thank
senator
brooks
for
including
the
component
on
energy
efficiency
in
the
package
of
legislation.
For
this.
E
D
D
F
Thank
you,
mr
sullivan,
appreciate
you
submitting
longer
written
remarks
and
giving
brief
remarks
by
phone.
I
would
encourage
others
to
do
that,
so
we
can
get
through
as
many
people
as
possible
and
we'll
just
note
for
the
committee's
information
and
the
public's
that
there
are
many
written
exhibits
in
support
of
the
bill
available
on
nellis
and
encourage
everyone
to
check
those
out
bps.
Can
we
go
on
to
the
next
caller?
Please.
E
D
Vice
chair,
this
is
skip
daily.
Last
name
is
d-a-l-y
with
the
labor
reunion.
Local
169
wanted
to
express
our
support
for
this
measure,
which
not
only
addresses
infrastructure
and
building
out
the
grid
and
emissions
and
the
issues
surrounding
that
it
also
creates
jobs,
and
I
especially
appreciate
the
labor
standards
that
are
within
the
bill
and
things
that
are
being
corrected
there.
So
I
did
want
to
add
our
support
to
this
measure
and
and
encourage
that
and
thank
you
for
letting
the
support
come
on
by
telephone.
Mr
vice
chair,
thank
you.
F
E
E
Good
afternoon,
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
cesaro
diaz,
last
name
d-I-a-z
and
I'm
on
behalf
of
chargepoint
and
the
resident
of
las
vegas,
I'm
testifying
for
you
in
support
position.
Sb448
chargepoint
is
leading
provider,
ev
charging
stations
and
network
services
in
north
america
and
the
globe
chargepoint
applied,
senator
brooks
and
the
co-authors
of
sb
448
for
considering
transportation,
electrification
in
this
bill
and
hearing
our
concerns.
We
are
fully
supported
of
this
bill
with
the
recent
amendments
and
testimony
and
clarification.
E
We
believe
that
section
49
will
support
competition,
innovation
and
private
capital
investment
by
nine
utilities,
and
that
will
result
more
choices
and
while
reducing
carbon
emissions
and
air
coalition,
we
look
forward
to
working
with
members
of
the
committee,
the
rest
of
the
legislature,
public
utilities,
commission
and
utility
to
implement
these
programs.
Thank
you.
So
much.
F
E
E
E
D
D
E
D
Supports
is
expanded
transmission
infrastructure
enabling
the
next
generation
of
zero
carbon
transportation
and
implementing
a
long-term
plan
for
achieving
our
climate
goals.
I
thank
the
committee
for
this
time
and.
E
D
Hi,
my
name
is
emily
duff,
that's
d-u-f-f
and
I'm
representing
series
series
from
the
bicep
network,
which
is
a
coalition
of
17
major
employers
across
the
country.
We
agree
with
much
of
what's
been
said
in
support
of
the
bill.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
we
have
submitted
a
letter
as
part
of
written
testimony
testimony
signed
by
seven
businesses
with
operations
in
nevada.
In
particular,
this
letter
outlines
the
important
role
utilities
have
in
supporting
the
transition
to
transportation.
Electrification.
D
This
bill
will
help
establish
utility,
ev
programs
that
will
increase
customer
awareness,
help
businesses
and
consumers
address
upfront
costs
and
enable
a
robust
and
equitable
charging
network
that
will
help
simulate
the
economy
and
create
local
jobs.
So
in
the
interest
of
time
I'll
stop
there
and
thank
you
so
much.
E
D
E
D
Hello,
this
is
wendy
newman
w-e-n-d-I-n-e-w-m-a-n,
executive
director.
F
E
D
D
senate
bill
448
is
an
important
step
forward
to
combat
climate
change,
but
this
legislation
will
also
need
to
be
accompanied
by
future
bold
action
from
the
legislature
and
other
regulatory
bodies
in
nevada
to
bring
equity
in
the
fight
for
climate.
Justice
nevadans
are
on
the
front
lines
of
the
climate
crisis
with
the
fastest
warming
city
in
the
nation,
recurring
wildfires
and
ongoing
drought.
Climate
change
isn't
something
that
will
impact
us
in
this
in
the
far
off
future.
It's
impacting
our
communities
and
our
livelihoods.
D
A
F
D
C
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
thorough
and
and
complete
and
and
lengthy
hearing
on
this
bill
and
and
for
your
thoughtful
questions
and
assemblyman
wheeler
simon
ellison.
Will
you
send
me
something
on
on
that
issue
that
you
were
talking
about,
because
I'm
gonna
do
some
more
research
on
that
appreciate?
It.
A
We
do
the
lord's
work
here
in
the
people's
house,
just
so
you
know,
and
with
that
we
will
close
the
hearing
for
senate
bill
448..
Thank
you
all
for
joining
us
and
we
will
open
our
next
item
on
our
agenda.
Will
be
public
comment.
Do
we
have
anyone
joining
us
here
in
person
that
would
like
to
provide
public
comment.
Remember
public
comment
is
neutral
comment.
Nothing
about
the
bill
that
we
just
presented,
see
none.
A
E
A
Thank
you
so
much
so
members.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
with
a
great
dialogue
on
vetting
this
bill
today.
I
truly
appreciate
that
our
next
meeting
will
be
on
thursday
on
may
27th,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
start
at
1
30.,
and
with
that
this
meeting
is.