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A
A
Here
two
members
are
absent
right
now,
but
I
expect
them
to
be
here
shortly,
so
I
will
try
to
remember
to
mark
them
present
when
they
arrive
for
the
moment.
Please
mark
them
absent
excuse,
but,
as
I
said,
I
do
expect
them
to
be
here
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
assembly
committee
on
judiciary.
A
I
believe
this
is
day
10
of
the
81st
session
of
the
legislature,
and
I
want
to
welcome
the
members,
our
presenters,
who
are
here
with
us
on
zoom
and
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
either
on
the
legislature's
website
or
on
our
youtube
channel
before
we
open
up
the
meeting
this
morning.
I'll
go
over
just
a
few
really
brief
housekeeping
matters,
members
and
presenters
on
the
zoom.
If
you
can
remember
to
to
mute
your
microphone
when
you're,
not
speaking,
that,
will
help
with
any
feedback
we
do
expect
courtesy
and
respect
in
this
committee.
A
We
don't
always
agree
on
policy.
In
fact,
there
may
be
disagreements
on
today's
bill,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
being
respectful
to
each
other
and
to
the
legislative
process,
and
that
also
includes
our
very
hard
working
staff
as
well
and
then.
Finally,
members
are
often
we're.
Looking
at
multiple
devices,
I
feel
like
we're
in
a
gaming
tournament
with
the
amount
of
monitors
and
screens
we're
trying
to
navigate
in
this
virtual
world.
A
So
we
have
two
presentations
today,
as
well
as
our
first
bill
hearing
we're
going
to
do
the
presentations
first
and
essentially,
I
guess
we're
going
to
go
in
the
order
that
they're
listed
on
the
agenda,
so
the
presenters
who
are
on
and
chief
lawson
you'll,
be
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
So
I
just
ask
for
your
indulgence
and
patience
as
we
get
through
the
first
two
agenda
items.
So
at
this
time
I
want
to
open
up
our
first
presentation,
which
is
an
overview
of
the
nevada
judiciary
members.
A
As
usual,
there
is
an
exhibit
on
nellis.
That
is
the
presentation
that
justice
hardesty
will
be
going
through
for
members
of
the
public.
You
can
also
pull
that
up
on
nellis
follow
along,
but
I
want
to
welcome
to
the
committee
for
the
first
time
this
session
and
certainly
not
the
last
time,
a
chief
justice,
jim
hardesty,
from
the
nevada
supreme
court,
justice
hardesty.
As
always
it's
great
to
have
you
in
the
committee.
I
have
enjoyed
working
with
you
over
the
past
couple
of
sessions
and
when
you're
ready.
A
C
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
going
to
endeavor
to
create
this
screen
share.
B
B
C
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Let
me
begin
by
expressing
my
appreciation
to
the
chair
and
to
the
members
of
the
committee
for
allowing
me
to
present
an
overview,
as
requested
by
the
chair
of
the
nevada
judiciary,
and
offer
some
additional
information
with
regard
to
criminal
procedure.
C
I'd
like
to
also
begin
by
expressing
my
compliments
and
congratulations
to
each
one
of
you.
Who've
been
selected
to
sit
on
the
judiciary
committee
for
the
assembly.
In
my
view,
it's
one
of
the
more
challenging
committees
that
exist
in
the
legislature.
C
C
C
Let's
begin,
then,
with
an
overview
of
nevada's
judiciary
and
begin
by
noting
first
that
nevada
is
comprised
of
11
judicial
districts.
C
As
you
can
see
on
the
map
we
have
11
of
those
districts.
The
district
number
one
is
in
carson
and
story.
Judge
wilson
and
judge
russell
sit
as
the
district
court.
Judges
in
that
district,
that's
a
very
important
district,
because
most
of
the
lawsuits
that
occur
in
the
state
that
involve
significant
constitutional
challenges
or
administrative
department
activities
will
arise
or
be
originated
in
that
district
under
the
constitution,
district
2
is
washoe.
County
district
8,
of
course,
is
the
largest
judicial
district
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
these
statistics.
C
C
It
is
served
by
one
judge,
jim
shirley
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
area,
he
travels
the
most
of
any
district
judge
in
the
state
he's
in
his
car,
probably
more
than
he's
in
court,
but
he
has
committed
to
that
effort
and
it
has
proved
to
be
very
successful
in
providing
judicial
services
to
the
people
who
live
and
work
in
persian,
lander
and
mineral
county.
C
This
map
describes
the
nevada
court
structure
if
you
will,
and
it
also
references
the
number
of
judicial
officers
in
each
of
the
various
district
courts.
C
C
There
are
90
district
court
judges
now,
since
the
last
legislature
residing
in
the
11
district
courts
of
the
state,
the
court
of
appeals
was
created
by
the
legislature
and
in
in
at
least
in
east
lee,
proposed
by
the
legislature
in
sessions
in
2011
and
2013,
and
the
voters
in
november
of
2014,
approved
after
five
tries
the
creation
of
a
court
of
appeals.
C
The
court
of
appeals
came
online
in
january
of
2015..
It
is
much
different,
perhaps
than
what
most
people
think
about
in
terms
of
an
intermediate
court
of
appeals.
C
Infrequently.
They
may
publish
an
opinion
and
they
certainly
have
the
authority
to
do
so,
which
is
a
an
order
or
an
opinion.
I
should
say
that
has
precedent
legal
precedent
as
it
affects
other
cases
in
the
system,
but
the
vast
majority
of
the
cases
that
the
court
of
appeals
deals
with
are
error,
correction
cases
that
are
important
cases,
but
principally
important
just
to
the
litigants
in
that
case
and
do
not
establish
any
legal
precedent
for
other
case
types.
C
C
Also
serving
with
him
is
judge
bonnie
bella,
who
is
a
former
discovery
master
in
clark,
county
and
judge
jerome
tao,
who
was
a
former
district
court
judge
in
that
county?
I
want
to
mention
my
colleagues
on
the
supreme
court.
I
overlooked
that
didn't
mean
to
you
may
see
one
or
more
of
them
appear
in
front
of
you.
Associate
chief
justice.
This
year
is
ron
perry.
Gary
justice,
lydia
stiglitz
is
on
the
executive
committee
with
justice.
C
Fair
gary
and
myself,
and
also
on
the
court,
is
justice:
alyssa
kadesh
justice,
abby,
silver
justice,
christina
pickering
and
newly
elected
most
recently
elected
justice.
Doug
herndon,
who
is
a
district
court
judge
from
las
vegas
completing
the
structure
of
the
court
system,
are
the
justice
courts.
C
They
are
courts
of
limited
jurisdiction,
their
jurisdiction
is
established
primarily
by
statute,
and
it
it
enacted
by
the
legislature.
They
handle
criminal,
civil
and
traffic
matters,
principally
criminal
matters
that
are
of
a
misdemeanor
nature.
C
C
There
are
66
justices
of
peace
who
serve
in
41
justice
courts
and
in
some
of
our
cities,
municipal
courts
have
been
created.
They
too
have
limited
jurisdiction,
handle
certain
misdemeanor
criminal
matters,
limited
civil
matters
and
mostly
primarily
traffic
matters.
There
are
30
municipal
court
judges
who
preside
in
17
municipal
courts
around
the
state.
C
The
state's
ultimate
judicial
authority
under
the
constitution
is
the
supreme
court.
The
supreme
court,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
is
responsible
for
the
administration
of
the
nevada
judicial
system,
decide
or
assign
to
the
court
of
appeals,
civil
and
criminal
cases.
They
have
been
appealed
engaged
in
extraordinary
rits,
also,
perhaps
of
interest
to
you.
C
I
mentioned
the
court
of
appeals
duties
earlier
and,
and
the
number
of
justices
that
are
on
the
court.
C
I've
already
covered
the
court
of
appeals.
This
slide
just
restates
some
of
the
information
I
have
previously
mentioned.
This
slide
now
addresses
the
district
courts
expanding
a
little
bit
on
what
I
mentioned
about
their
general
jurisdiction.
C
The
district
courts
and
the
constitution
will
hear
all
felony
and
gross
misdemeanor
criminal
cases
as
well
as
family,
juvenile
and
civil
cases,
with
a
value
over
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
All
appeals
of
district
court
decisions
go
to
the
supreme
court
subject
to
being
pushed
down
to
the
court
of
appeals.
C
There
are
11
judicial
districts,
as
I
noted
earlier,
with
90
district
court
judges,
we've
already
discussed
the
justice
court's
general
jurisdiction,
which
is
misdemeanor
criminal
matters
and
traffic
cases.
C
Justice
courts
also
hear
traffic
cases
and
civil
matters.
There's
small
claims
in
2000,
I
believe
in
fifteen,
the
dollar
amount
for
small
claims
was
increased
to
ten
thousand
dollars
civil
cases.
Jurisdiction
was
increased
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
C
There
will
be
a
bill
this
year,
that
is
in
the
legislature
that
asks
the
legislature
to
reconsider
the
dollar
amount
for
small
claims,
reducing
it
from
10
000
to
7
500
and
the
justice
court.
Judges
will
be
appearing
in
front
of
you
to
discuss
that
bill
and
explain
why
that
might
be
appropriate
for
your
consideration.
C
C
The
next
slide
oops
did.
I
do
that
right.
Let's
see
here,
this
slide
repeats
some
of
what
I
previously
mentioned.
I
just
inserted
it
here
for
your
reference
as
to
which
kinds
of
criminal
court
cases
go
into
which
courts
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
in
a
moment
about
how
they
get
there.
C
There's
no
right
to
counsel
unless
jail
time
is
intended
upon
conviction,
convictions
and
those
convictions
are
appealable
to
the
district
court.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
gross
misdemeanors,
provided
for
in
193
140
are
a
maximum
penalty
of
up
to
364
days
in
jail
and
a
two
thousand
dollar
fine
they're
eligible
for
formal
probation,
there's
right
to
counsel
at
all
stages
of
those
proceedings.
C
C
Anyone
accused
of
a
felony
is
entitled
to
a
preliminary
hearing
in
justice
court
for
probable
cause
determination
and
those
convictions
entered
in
the
district
court.
Whether
by
plea
or
by
verdict
through
a
jury,
trial
or
bench
trial
are
appealable
to
the
supreme
court
and
the
court
or
or
pushed
down
to
the
court
of
appeals.
C
Another
way
in
which
a
defendant
may
end
up
in
front
of
the
justice
system
is
through
a
warrantless
arrest
stemming
from
an
arrest
occurring
in
the
officer's
presence.
The
arresting
officer
must
file
a
probable
cause
declaration
with
the
court.
The
court
must
review
the
declaration
within
40
48
hours
to
determine
whether
probable
cause
would
exist
for
the
arrest.
C
The
court
can
conduct
this
review
in
camera.
If
the.
If
the
court
finds
that
probable
cause
detention
exists,
detention
may
continue,
but
there
are
some
changes
that
have
occurred
with
respect
to
the
continued
detention
and
the
release
of
defendants,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
moment
sometimes
referred
to
as
the
bail
process.
C
In-Custody
defendants
must
be
brought
before
a
magistrate
within
22
hours
of
arrest
for
warrant
or
warrantless
arrests
and
for
their
initial
appearance
called
an
arraignment
and,
as
we'll
talk
about
in
a
moment,
release
conditions
and
bail
are
set
at
the
initial
appearance,
although
in
some
courts,
particularly
in
clark,
county
new
processes
have
been
developed
for
handling
of
misdemeanor
offenses
through
a
first
appearance.
Court
right
to
counsel
attaches
at
the
initial
appearance
and
the
arrest
may
be
made
by
a
warrant
issued
on
a
complaint
or
a
summons
as
well.
C
C
C
C
C
C
At
the
time
of
arraignment,
the
defendant,
then,
is
expected
to
respond
to
the
plea
and
make
a
plea
of
guilty
not
guilty
other
alternative
pleas
and
alan
irish,
not
an
allen,
but
a
no
contest
glee.
If
you
will
excuse
me
and
oftentimes.
That
is
a
point
in
the
proceeding
where
plea
negotiations
are
reported
to
the
court.
C
The
right
to
counsel
applies
to
all
defendants
who
face
loss
of
liberty.
A
defendant
can
voluntarily
waive
his
or
her
right
to
counsel.
However,
the
district
courts
are
required
under
a
united
states,
supreme
court
case
called
feretta
to
make
sure
the
defendant
is
knowingly
and
voluntarily
and
intelligently
waiving
his
or
her
right
to
counsel.
C
As
I
mentioned,
the
preliminary
hearing
process
takes
place
in
front
of
the
justice
courts
when
an
individual
is
charged
with
a
gross
misdemeanor
or
felony.
We've
talked
about
the
probable
cause
process
in
the
preliminary
hearing
and
the
preliminary
hearings
in
just
one
addition.
The
preliminary
hearings
and
death
penalty
cases
must
be
recorded
by
a
court
reporter.
All
other
preliminary
hearings
can
be
recorded
using
electronic
means.
C
A
misdemeanor
trial
occurs
in
justice
for
municipal
courts
on
our
and
are
in
front
of
a
bench
in
front
of
the
judge.
If
you
will
save
and
accept
certain
domestic
violence
cases
in
a
bench
trial,
there's
no
jury
and
the
judge
is
the
finder
of
fact
who
makes
the
determination
as
to
the
verdict
and
then
later
imposes
sentence,
there's
no
right
to
a
jury
trial
when
the
pelony
penalties
are
de
minimis
in
misdemeanor
cases,
that
is
less
than
six
months,
except
in
domestic
violence
cases.
C
C
C
That
booklet
several
pages
long
contains
a
breakdown
of
all
of
the
case.
Numbers
filings
dispositions
in
the
various
justice
and
district
courts
around
the
state.
It
is
a
very
valuable
resource.
I
think
for
you
to
add
context
to
some
of
the
information
that
we've
been
providing
to
you
and
one
thing
that
catches
people's
attention
is
that
non-traffic
misdemeanors
only
about
one
percent
of
those
end
up
going
before
a
justice
of
the
peace
or
a
municipal
court
judge
for
a
bench
trial
and,
frankly,
less
than
two
percent
of
excuse
me.
C
So
the
vast
majority
of
traffic
misdemeanor
offenses
are
resolved
through
the
payment
of
a
fine
or
fee
an
administrative
fee
or
our
and
the
defendant's
agreement
to
resolve
the
case
in
that
manner,
and
the
vast
majority
of
non-traffic
misdemeanors
are
resolved
through
plea,
rather
than
through
a
trial
in
front
of
the
court.
C
Again
this
slide
references
fiscal
year,
2017
that
I
can
tell
you
the
same
nevada
reports
that
I
just
referenced
for
2020
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
reference
that
book.
So
you
had
not
only
the
current
statistics,
but
also
also
the
numbers
that
are
contained
in
that
report
illustrate
that
approximately
1.3
percent
of
all
felony
cases
are
disposed
of
through
a
jury
trial.
C
It's
a
very
small
percentage
of
criminal
cases
that
actually
end
up
going
to
a
jury
trial.
Less
than
0.3
percent
of
gross
misdemeanors
are
disposed
of
through
a
jury
trial.
What
about
that?
What
it?
Why
is
that
the
case?
Because
it
is
a
fact
that
about
98
of
the
criminal
cases
in
the
state
and
that's
not
uncommon
by
the
way
for
the
rest
of
the
country
are
resolved
by
plea
negotiations
through
prosecutor
and
defense
counsel
or
the
defendant.
C
Frankly,
the
system
as
a
whole
is
fortunate
that
most
of
these
cases
are
resolved
by
clean
negotiations
in
nevada,
a
defendant
and
the
prosecution
each
get
preemptory
challenges
when
they
are
conducting
vardir
of
jury
trials.
C
That
also
extends
to
other
types
of
discrimination,
including
gender,
and
so
that
that
area
has
been
a
hot
topic
for
the
past
several
years,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
cases
that
have
been
decided
by
the
nevada
supreme
court
recently
have
established
quite
a
bit
of
information
that
deals
with
with
how
that
should
be
handled
in
trials
that
could
take
place
in
the
nevada
district
courts.
C
Jurors
are
generally
12
folks
selected
from
the
community.
That,
too,
is
an
area
of
considerable
interest.
Where
do
those
jurors
come
from
in
the
community
and
how
are
they
identified
in
2017?
The
legislature
expanded
these
sources
to
be
used
by
jury
commissioners
when
identifying
individuals
that
should
be
the
subject
of
the
veneer
that
make
up
prospective
jurors
for
jury
selection.
C
Prior
to
that
hearing,
there
is
a
pre-sentence
investigation
report
provided
by
the
division
of
parole
and
probation
since
ab236
was
enacted
last
year,
pre-sentence
investigation
reports
no
longer
include
a
sentencing
recommendation.
C
Judgments
of
conviction
arise
as
a
result,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
if
a
negotiated
plea
or
a
verdict
following
a
bench
or
jury
trial,
the
sentence
is
set.
The
term
of
imprisonment
and
conditions
of
sentence
are
established
by
the
district
courts,
including
the
imposition
of
any
fines
fees
or
restitution,
and
then
the
defendant
is
entitled
to
credit
for
time
served
if
they
were
incarcerated
or
detained
before
the
conviction
was
entered.
C
You
I
understand
you
will
hear
some
bills
dealing
with
the
death
penalty,
perhaps
this
year,
so
that
you
have
a
limited
amount
of
background
behind
this
matter.
The
da
must
file
a
notice
of
intent
to
seek
the
death
penalty
within
30
days
of
filing
of
an
indictment
or
information
for
following
by
november.
C
You
may
hear
a
lot
of
conversation
about
supreme
court
rule
250
supreme
court.
Rule
250
is
a
rule
adopted
by
the
supreme
court
that
sets
out
particularized
educational
and
experience
requirements
for
defense
lawyers
and
even
judges
to
be
able
to
participate
and
hear
death
penalty
cases.
C
Some
time
ago-
and
I
don't
recall
exactly
how
many
years
ago-
but
I
think
it
was
just
about
four-
maybe
only
two
but
a
study
was
requested
concerning
the
cost
average
cost
of
the
imposition
of
the
death
penalty.
I
believe
that
report
indicated
532
000
more
than
a
murder
case.
C
C
That
is
in
addition
to
the
sentence
associated
with
the
crime
type
depending
upon
how
the
crime
was
committed
or
depending
upon
who
the
victim
was,
might
result
in
further
enhancement
penalties.
So,
for
example,
a
felony
committed
with
the
assistance
of
a
child
might
result
in
an
additional
1
to
20
years
beyond
the
crime
itself.
C
C
There
are
also
offenses
for
which
penalties
increase
based
upon
the
number
of
re-offenses,
so,
for
example,
battery
constituting
domestic
violence
has
certain
levels
of
offenses,
first
offense
misdemeanor,
second
offense
within
seven
years.
A
third
offense
within
seven
years
can
result
in
different
penalties
over
about
just
the
battery
with
constituting
domestic
violence.
C
C
Now
the
dui
area
is
also
unique,
because
the
legislature
has
created
a
dui
court
which
allows
a
defendant
to
avoid
the
consequences
of
their
first
offense
by
participating
in
a
frankly
lengthy
and
expensive,
but
I
will
add,
very
successful,
dui
diversion
program,
and
I
congratulate
the
legislature
who
created
the
program
and
the
courts
who
administer
that
program.
It
has
been
incredibly
effective
in
our
state.
C
If
a
defendant
pleads
to
a
crime
and
is
convicted-
and
there
is
a
judgment
of
conviction
and
a
sentence
imposed
or
a
jury
returns,
a
verdict
against
the
defendant
and
there
is
a
conviction-
the
defendant
has
a
right
of
a
direct
appeal
to
the
nevada
supreme
court.
Although
that
case
could,
depending
upon
the
nature
of
the
case,
be
pushed
down
by
the
supreme
court
to
the
court
of
appeals.
C
The
defendant
also
has
the
right
for
post-conviction
review.
Usually
those
are
thought
of
as
issues
raised
by
the
defendant
that
raised
questions
concerning
the
ineffective
assistance
of
their
trial
counsel
and
that
comes
up
fairly
frequently.
Once
state
habeas
relief
has
been
exhausted,
the
defendant
may
seek
federal
court
post-conviction
relief,
raising
federal
issues.
C
We
talked
about
plea
bargains,
just
to
reiterate,
I
stumbled
through
this,
but
I
meant
to
include
guilty
guilty
by
mentally
ill
or
nolo
contendry.
C
These
are
please
that
can
be
entered
by
the
defendant
and,
of
course,
the
district
court
is
required
to
as
our
justice
courts
required
to
canvas
the
defendant,
making
certain
that
there
is
a
knowing
voluntary
and
intelligent
waiver
of
all
constitutional
rights
and
their
acknowledgement
that
this
plea
is
something
that
they
voluntarily
enter
into,
and
the
court
must
accept
it.
There
are
instances,
although
rare,
where
the
court
rejects
the
plea
agreement
depending
upon
the
canvas
that
takes
place
and
the
circumstances
of
the
case.
C
C
I've
listed
on
this
slide
certain
information
about
bales,
and
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
few
of
these
things
generally.
To
give
you
terms
that
you
may
hear
about
during
the
course
of
various
hearings,
the
defendant
must
be
admitted
to
bail
under
our
constitution
and
under
a
case
called
valdez
jimenez
that
was
decided
last
year,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
moment
unless
the
charge
is
one
of
first-degree
murder.
This
is
true.
C
Under
our
constitution,
felony
parolee,
probationer
arrests
for
a
different
offense
must
not
be
admitted
to
bail
and
mandatory
12-hour
12-hour
holds
exist
in
certain
crime
types
like
dui,
domestic
violence
and
so
forth.
C
We
have
heard
about
the
use
of
bail
schedules,
often
times
that's,
and
that
has
been
a
huge
part
of
our
system
for
many
years
where
dollar
amounts
were
set
by
various
townships
and
districts
around
the
state
that
would
set
a
bail
amount
for
the
defendant
to
pay
in
order
to
secure
their
release
pending
trial
years
ago,
the
a
committee
of
the
supreme
court
called
the
pre-trial
release
committee
studied
this
subject
extensively
and
what
it
found
was
that
the
bail
schedules
in
nevada
varied
substantially
throughout
the
state
for
by
crime
type
and
by
dollar
amount.
C
I
mentioned
valdez
jimenez,
I'm
not
going
to
quote
this,
that's
a
waste
of
your
time.
You
all
can
read
it,
and
I
welcome
you
pulling
up
the
case.
It's
a
nevada
supreme
court,
authored
opinion
where
the
subject
of
bail
has
a
constitutional
right
for
a
defendant
charged
with
a
crime
and
an
assessment
of
their
detention
status
was
set
out.
C
It
is
the
first
case
in
the
state's
history
where
significant
jurisprudence
outlined
the
conditions
that
are
to
be
considered
with
respect
to
a
defendant's
detention
status,
pre-trial,
I'm
sure,
you'll
hear
more
about
this
case.
I
understand
that
a
interim
committee
of
the
legislature
has
undertaken
extensive
work
to
study
this
case
and
this
topic
and
from
that
I
think
there
have
been
a
number
of
recommendations
that
have
been
made
for
the
legislature
to
consider
embedding
some
of
these
provisions
into
the
bail
statutes.
C
Misdemeanor
citations
are
issued
for
minor
offenses.
Some
of
you
may
have
received
those
and,
while
driving
inappropriately
just
as
an
aside
by
the
way
as
if
you
were
on
a
money
committee,
you
would
have
heard
me
say
to
the
money
committees
of
the
legislature
that
34
percent
of
the
nevada
supreme
court's
budget
is
funded
through
administrative
assessments
imposed
on
those
who
get
traffic
tickets.
C
So
we
are
put
in
the
odd
position
of
urging
every
all
of
our
citizens
to
commit
traffic
violations
in
order
to
provide
enough
money
for
the
supreme
court
to
operate.
Now,
that
sounds
funny.
It
isn't.
Does
it
sound
foolish?
It
absolutely
does.
I
have
been
on
the
supreme
court
now
for
16
years.
This
is
my
17th
year
and
I
think
every
year
that
I've
served
on
the
supreme
court,
I've
urged
the
legislature
to
stop
funding
the
supreme
court
with
the
use
of
traffic
ticket
money.
C
People
aren't
driving
tickets,
aren't
being
written
and
the
revenue
you're
not
talking
about
12
budget
cuts.
We
had
a
loss
of
38
in
administrative
assessment
revenue
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
so
the
consequences
are
huge
for
this
branch
of
government.
When
that
takes
place
I'll
get
off
my
soapbox,
sorry,
I
did
want
to
reference
one
other
area
and
that
has
to
do
with
competency.
C
C
D
C
Lastly,
the
juvenile
justice
area-
it
is
unique,
it
is,
and
the
state
has
undertaken
in
the
legislature,
has
undertaken
a
lot
of
work
in
this
area
to
make
the
process
efficient
and
to
more
appropriately
deal
with
children
facing
juvenile
challenges,
and
so
I
just
mentioned
title
five
of
the
nevada
revised
statutes
which
deal
with
children
who
are
in
the
juvenile
court
system
and
how
that
process
exists.
There
is
a
bill
that
is
in
front
of
the
senate.
C
Currently,
I
understand
if
it's
passed
will
come
over
to
you,
folks
that
deals
with
the
interplay
of
protection
orders
involving
juveniles
and
how
that
which
court
should
handle
those
matters
chair.
I
think
that
pretty
much
covers
the
overview,
I'm
sorry
for
the
link.
I
hope
it
is
helpful-
and
I
just
reiterate
the
willingness
of
the
judicial
branch
to
offer
information
data
and
testimony
where
appropriate,
to
help
your
members
understand
or
engage
in
these
various
issues.
A
Thank
you
so
much
justice
hardesty.
I
certainly
appreciate
the
presentation
members,
particularly
our
non-attorney
members.
I
know
that's
probably
a
lot
to
take
in,
but
I
would
recommend
that
you
save
this
presentation
to
your
desktop
because
I
think
you'll
be
coming
back
to
it
on
a
regular
basis
and,
of
course,
anyone
who
does
not
practice
in
court
is
not
familiar
with
court
feel
free
to
ask
one
of
the
members
that
is.
A
Some
of
this
seems
a
little
bit
counter-intuitive,
but
I
think
if
we
talk
through
it
enough,
we'll
all
be
on
the
same
page.
Before
we
take
questions,
I
did
want
to
note
for
our
secretary
that
assemblywoman,
krasner
and
assembly
miller
are
present.
You
can
mark
them
as
present.
I
think
they
arrived
right
as
justice.
Hardesty
was
beginning
his
presentation,
but
I
didn't
want
to
interrupt
so
with
that
being
said,
let
me
go
into
gallery
view
here.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
justice,
hardesty.
My
question
is
about
the
enhancements
where
oops.
B
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
assemblyman
nice
to
meet
you
a
couple
of
things
I
would
mention.
A
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
the
nevada
sentencing,
commission
and
the
legislature
in
enacting
ab236
also
institutionalized
the
nevada
sentencing
commission.
C
So
I
would
think
that
over
the
course
of
the
next
probably
two
to
four
years,
legislators
will
be
in
a
much
better
position
than
they
ever
have
been
by
having
data
evaluations
or
data
information
from
the
nevada
department
of
corrections,
the
nevada
division
of
parole
and
probation
and
analyzed
by
the
sentencing
commission.
That
can
make
recommendations
to
you
to
show
diagrams
and
describe
results
and
impacts
associated
with
that
kind
of
enhancement
and
how
it's
being
used
and
arrived
at
we've
been
flying
blind
in
many
of
these
areas,
and
that
was
a
major
motivator.
C
I
think
for
many
of
the
changes
in
ab-236
last
session.
I
think
it
has
also
had
some
serious
fiscal
adverse
fiscal
consequences
where
you
have
a
high
number
of
people
incarcerated
for
lengthy
terms,
which
are
not
the
same
as
maybe
defendants
who
have
engaged
in
the
same
conduct
and
are
subject
to
the
same
enhancements.
B
Assemblywoman
summer's
armstrong:
your
audio
is
not
coming
in.
C
A
D
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
patience,
the
tech
gerbils
are
out
this
morning.
I
did
have
a
question
just
as
hard
to
see
I
by
the
way
I
really
enjoyed
your
presentation,
and
I
wanted
to
know
if
you
all
are
collecting
any
quantitative
data
on.
I
know
you
had
some
there's
been
some
concerns
about
preemptions
on
juries
and
have
you
all
begun
to
collect
any
data
to
see
if
your
efforts
are
ensuring
that
juries
are
more
representative
of
the
community.
C
No,
the
aoc
has
not
undertaken
that,
but
that
is
part
of
the
effort
that
will
be
initiated
by
the
court
to
determine
how
that's
taking
place.
I
have
the
privilege
of
presenting
to
the
legislature.
The
state
of
the
judiciary
address
on
march
25th
and
part
of
that
address
will
include
an
initiative
by
me
as
chief
to
evaluate
not
only
this
topic
but
other
various
aspects
associated
with
racial
equality
in
the
judicial
system
and
implied
bias
educational
needs
throughout
the
criminal
justice
and
justice
system.
C
A
We
have
other
questions
from
members,
justice
hardesty.
Let
me
ask
one
quickly
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee,
because
I
think
we
had
this
come
up
last
session.
A
The
supreme
court
has
a
number
of
bill
draft
requests
and
when
those
are
put
in
it
says
it
says
it
was
requested
by
the
supreme
court,
but
I
understand
there's
a
process
where
other
courts
of
different
jurisdictions
can
submit
bill
requests.
You
could
maybe
just
tell
the
committee
about
that
and
what
your
position
is
on,
whether
the
nevada
supreme
court
officially
supports
all
of
those
bills
as
a
court
or
whether
it's
something
different.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
chair.
The
the
legislature
has
extended
to
the
judicial
branch
the
opportunity
to
submit
10
a
total
of
10,
not
an
excess
out,
but
a
total
of
10
bill
draft
requests
each
session.
C
I
would
argue
that
that
is
an
understatement
of
the
bills
necessary
to
come
from
the
judicial
branch,
but
that's
what
we
are
allocated
when
that
was
made
known.
We
established
it
prior
to
that
we'd
established
a
judicial
council
and
the
judicial
council
of
the
state
includes
representation
from
all
of
the
courts,
at
least
by
area,
throughout
the
state
and
all
levels
of
courts.
C
There
is
also
a
committee
within
the
judicial
council,
the
legislative
committee
which
is
chaired
by
the
chief
justice
and
that
committee
hears
suggestions
from
the
judiciary
and
court
administrators
throughout
the
state
for
potential
bills,
and,
as
a
result
of
that,
we
will
then
evaluate
prioritize
whittle
down
the
suggestions
that
we
receive
from
the
various
courts
to
the
10
bills
that
we
have
allocated
to
us.
C
C
We
think
that
that
is
problematic
in
our
ability
to
attract
qualified
people
to
the
court.
That
is
an
example
of
a
bill
chair.
It's
currently
sb3,
but
it
is
an
example
of
a
bill
that
affects
the
entire
system,
but
there
are
other
bills
that
will
come
to
you
that
are
proposed
for
consideration
by
the
limited
jurisdiction
courts
only
because
it
principally
affects
them,
for
example,
a
bill
that
addresses
the
towing
of
vehicles,
and
so
just
because
these
bills
are
passed
on
to
the
legislature.
A
Thank
you,
justice,
hardesty.
I
think
that's
helpful
and
I'll
remember
to
clarify
that
for
the
members
when
we
hear
some
of
those
bills,
I
mean
we
get
bills
from
all
different
places,
and
sometimes
there
can
be
the
suggestion
that,
because
the
nevada
supreme
court's
name
is
on
the
bill
as
a
requester
that
that's
you
know
supported
by
the
court,
but
we'll
remind
folks
that
that's
not
always
the
case.
We're.
A
Thank
you,
justice,
any
other
questions
for
justice
hardesty
this
morning.
A
A
I
have
found
justice
hardesty
to
be
available
and
more
than
willing
to
help
or
answer
questions,
so
please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
him
after
this
presentation,
if
you
have
questions
or
if
you're
working
on
legislation
that
he
might
be
able
to
offer
some
help
with
or
some
guidance
and
justice
hardesty
again,
thank
you
so
much
and
have
a
great
rest
of
your
day.
Hey
thank.
C
A
Hey
committee
members,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
agenda
item
and
we're
going
to
move
along
to
our
next
set
of
presentations
committee
members
you'll
recall.
Yesterday
we
heard
from
our
district
attorneys
both
in
clark,
county
and
washoe
county.
Today
we
have
their
counterparts,
so
we
have
an
overview
of
the
clark
county
and
washoe
county
offices
of
the
public
defender
and
joining
us.
We
have
mr
john
pirro
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office
and
miss
kendra
burchie
from
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
A
Much
like
I
mentioned
yesterday
with
mr
jones
and
miss
noble
you're,
going
to
be
seeing
a
lot
of
mr
pirro
and
miss
burchie
in
our
committee
as
we
process
criminal
justice
related
bills.
So
I
wanted
to
give
them
a
chance
to
introduce
themselves,
give
a
brief
overview
of
their
respective
offices
and
then
we'll
have
a
chance
for
questions.
So
mr
pirro
miss
burchie,
welcome
to
the
assembly
judiciary
committee
for
the
first
time
this
session
and
when
you're
ready.
Please
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
your
presentation.
A
G
You
chairman
I'll
just
start
off.
If
that's
okay
and
we'll
do
the
screen.
D
G
I
wanted
to
talk
to
the
committee
about
public
defense
in
las
vegas.
It
is
our
biggest
jurisdiction
and
we
consider
it
to
be
the
gold
standard
of
public
defense
here
in
the
state.
What
happens
in
vegas,
though,
doesn't
always
stay
in
vegas.
As
you
all
know,
our
las
vegas
convention
and
visitors
authority
tends
to
talk
about
this
slogan.
G
G
G
Dr
cornel
west
says
justice
is
love
in
public,
and
that
is
what
we
do
every
day
in
our
jobs
before
we
get
too
far,
kendra
and
I
picked
up
some
new
interns
working
from
home,
they're,
more
interested
in
eating
bills
than
reading
bills.
So
if
I
say
that
the
dog
ate
my
homework,
I
definitely
mean
it
and
they
may
bark
to
let
you
know
how
they
feel.
G
I
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
advent
of
public
defense,
but
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
it,
because
miss
burchie
will
cover
this
as
well.
The
case
that
created
our
jobs
is
gideon
v
ray
wainwright.
That
is
mr
wayne
wright,
mr
gideon.
He
petitioned
the
supreme
court
by
himself
for
a
lawyer.
He
was
convicted
in
florida
and
the
case
went
all
the
way
to
the
united
states
supreme
court.
He
was
appointed
a
lawyer,
abe
fortis.
He
won
the
case.
G
G
I
want
to
talk
to
you
all
about
some
celebrity
public
defenders,
starting
with
the
senator
richard
bryan.
He
was
the
very
first
public
defender
in
clark,
county
and
and
clark
county
was
on
the
cutting
edge
of
after
that
gideon
v
wainwright
decision
in
implementing
public
defense.
We
have
assemblywoman
when
that's
her
picture
from
last
session.
I
apologize
for
not
grabbing
the
most
current
one,
senator
arnold
shaw
and,
as
you
know,
the
chairman
and
the
speaker,
I
do
want
to
make
the
plea
that
I
make
to
our
legislators
up
north
every
session.
G
G
And
now
I
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
our
office
and
numbers.
We
have
121
lawyers
and
that
could
be
plus
or
minus.
We
won
a
lot
of
elections
this
year
and
a
lot
of
our
lawyers
transitioned
to
the
bench.
We
are
broken
up
into
teams
and
that's
for
a
good
reason.
If
any
of
you
don't
know,
we
have
our
own
miranda
case.
So
not
the
you
have
the
right
to
remain
silent
case,
but
roberto
miranda.
G
When
clark
county
was
sued
for
five
million
dollars,
because
brand
new
lawyers
were
representing
people
accused
of
murder
and
they
just
didn't
have
the
skills
and
it
resulted
in
some
bad
results
would
be
the
best
way
to
put
it
so
we're
broken
up
into
teams.
We
have
attorneys
that
specialize
in
juvenile
defense.
G
G
Yet
they
not
only
participate
in
all
of
our
specialty
courts
representing
people
who
are
in
the
mental
health
court
system
or
other
drug
court
and
co-occurring
court,
but
they
also
handle
the
civil
commitments
and
that
you
can
see
is
plus
or
minus
3
500
commitments
in
2019.
we
have
a
serious
mental
health
crisis
down
south
and
all
over
the
state.
G
To
be
quite
honest
in
2020
we
had
less
cases
filed,
but
I
do
want
to
make
this
committee
aware
that
there
is
a
huge
backlog
when
kovitz
started
the
da's
held
back
about
5
000
cases
and
then,
when
we
went
on
pause
again,
there's
another
backlog.
So
we
have
been
getting
crushed
and
will
continue
to
get
crushed
as
those
backlogs
come
into
the
system.
G
We
also
try
to
practice
somewhat
of
a
holistic
defense
model
where
we
have
seven
social
workers,
investigators
and
mitigation
specialists
to
help
us
in
our
cases.
I
always
call
our
social
workers
doing
god's
work
because
they
help
us
get
our
clients
into
specialty
courts
and
take
care
of
things.
G
Another
thing
that's
unique
to
las
vegas
is
tourism,
and
director
callaway
spoke
about
that.
We
have
about
on
a
good
year,
42
million
visitors,
which
adds
to
our
caseloads
here,
because
what
happens
in
vegas
doesn't
always
stay
in
vegas.
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
G
Nearly
one
in
ten
cases
are
overturned
because
of
an
error
in
the
court
process
or
the
person
was
innocent,
and
that
is
a
shocking
rate
of
error.
I
know
I
wouldn't
get
on
a
flight
to
reno.
I'd
drive
every
time
for
session.
If
I
knew
that
one
in
10
flights
were
going
to
crash.
G
G
America's
system
is
number
one
in
the
world
considered
for
the
judicial
system,
but
I
can
also
inform
this
committee
that
we
are
also
number
one
in
the
developed
world
for
incarceration
of
our
citizens
and
people
on
supervision
and
as
justice
hardisty
has
stated,
we
kind
of
have
become
a
plea
factory
rather
than
a
trial
system.
G
G
G
The
system
only
sees
a
crime,
but
we,
as
public
defenders
see
a
whole
life
and
if
I
could
impart
a
short
story
on
what
a
whole
life
looks,
like
sort
of,
I
recently
had
a
trial
with
a
client
that
was
homeless
and
we
obtained
a
not
guilty
verdict
in
that
trial
and
when
the
jury
was
announcing
that
verdict.
I
was
elated
that
my
client
was
not
going
to
be
convicted
and
I
turned
to
him,
and
I
said,
and
I'm
not
going
to
use
his
real
name.
G
Mr
smith,
you
get
to
go
and
I
had
to
stop
because
I
wanted
to
say
the
word
home,
but
he
didn't
have
a
home
to
go
to.
I
knew
that
he
was
going
to
get
released
from
the
jail
at
2
am
and
he
was
going
to
be
back
in
the
same
crummy
situation
that
he
was
before.
We
took
this
case
to
trial
and
that
that
type
of
stuff
we
see
all
the
time
and
those
are
the
little
things
that
break
your
heart.
G
Improvement,
I
also
want
to
talk
about
holistic
defense,
and
ms
burchie
is
going
to
talk
about
this
as
well.
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
bottom
part,
which
is
the
rand
corporation
study,
as
all
of
you
know,
the
rand
corporation
isn't
some
liberal,
think
tank
and
they
do
in-depth
studies
on
issues
all
over
the
nation.
G
One
of
the
things
that
they
studied
was
holistic
defense
and
they
compared
the
bronx
defenders,
which
is
the
gold
standard
of
public
defense
to
legal
aid,
which
is
another
public
defender
agency
in
new
york
in
the
bronx,
which
is
more
traditional,
like
our
office
is
and
what
they
found.
After
studying,
almost
a
little
over
half
a
million
cases
is
that
true
holistic
defense
obtains
better
results
less
time
in
jail
for
the
clients,
which
saves
the
taxpayers
money.
G
They
also
get
better
results
in
recidivism
and
better
results
for
the
community
and
when
I
say
holistic
defense,
they
have
housing.
Lawyers
on
staff,
family
lawyers,
on
staff,
landlord
and
tenant
lawyers
on
staff
and
social
workers
on
staff,
as
well
as
immigration
attorneys
on
staff,
so
that
they
really
can
take
into
account
the
whole
person's
life
and
try
to
fix
the
things
that
we
can
we're
all
trying
to
work
toward
a
model
of
holistic
defense
here,
both
in
clark
and
washoe
county.
G
We
have
the
criminal
justice
coordinating
committee,
where
we
work
together
with
the
sheriff
the
jail,
the
da's
and
other
community
partners
to
put
better
solutions
into
place,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
accomplished
here
in
clark
county
was
creating
the
initial
arraignment
court,
which
allows
a
person
who
is
arrested
to
be
seen
within
12
to
24
hours
of
arrest
to
see
if
they
can
be
released.
That
helps
clear
up.
Some
of
the
space
in
the
jail,
but
also
clears
up
some
of
the
space
in
the
court
and
creates
better
results
for
clients.
G
Our
goal,
as
public
defenders,
is
to
never
see
another
client
in
county
blues
again.
Once
we
meet
you,
we
want
to
work
to
get
you
out
of
the
system
and
never
back
into
the
system.
If
I
worked
myself
out
of
a
job,
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
leave.
I
love
my
job,
but
it'd
be
better.
If
I
didn't
have
to
do
my
job,
we
also
stand
with
the
demon
eyes
so
that
the
demonizing
will
stop.
We
stand
with
the
disposable
so
that,
hopefully,
the
day
will
come
when
we
stop
throwing
people
away.
G
As
john
as
my
friend
john
ponder,
from
hope
for
prisoners
like
to
say,
healed
people
heal
other
people,
but
hurt
people
hurt
people,
and
so
we
work
towards
redemption.
G
I
skipped
a
little
bit
in
my
slide
ahead,
but
justice,
hardesty
and
jon
jones
went
over
this.
I'm.
What
we'll
say
is
we
have
a
vertical
model
of
representation.
So
if
I
start
as
your
lawyer,
I'm
your
lawyer
from
the
initial
arraignment
all
the
way
through
through
the
end
of
your
case
and
I'll,
be
there
for
you
step
by
step.
G
The
only
thing
I
do
want
to
talk
about
here
in
this
slide
is
the
valdez
jimenez
decision.
You
are
going
to
have
an
issue
that
comes
before
you
and
it's
the
meaning
of
the
word
prompt,
which
is
that
case
left
undecided
and
part
of
the
problem
with
the
meaning
of
the
word
prompt.
Is
it's
being
interpreted
differently
all
over
the
state,
as
I've
explained
in
the
initial
arraignment
court
in
las
vegas
justice
court?
G
Here's
what
we
don't
do
we're
not
a
get
out
of
jail,
free
card
kind
of
attorney.
We
work
on
things
if
you've
done
something
and
there
are
consequences
attached
to
what
you've
done.
Well,
there's
going
to
be
consequences
and
you
may
have
to
serve
time,
but
what
we
try
to
do
is
make
sure
that
everybody
is
looked
at
individually
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
we
try
to
find
the
right
solutions
for
our
clients
so
that
they're
never
back
in
the
system.
Again.
G
G
I
also
want
to
talk
about
us
being
on
the
front
line,
because
we
cannot
incarcerate
our
way
out
of
our
communities,
challenges
and
you'll
hear
a
lot
probably
about
sex
trafficking
here
throughout
this
session,
and
I
want
to
say
that
oftentimes,
we
are
also
the
first
people
to
recognize
a
victim
of
sex
trafficking,
because
their
crimes
are
not
as
cut
and
dry
as
solicitation,
but
sometimes
they
are
forced
by
their
pimps
into
more
difficult
situations,
and
I
want
to
relay
a
story
about
again,
mrs
smith:
I'm
not
going
to
use
her
real
name
for
her
protection,
but
she
gave
me
permission
to
use
her
story.
G
Two
years
ago
we
represented
mrs
smith.
She
came
from
a
state
down
south
and
she
wasn't
really
wise
to
the
big
city.
The
people
that
brought
her
out
here
said:
hey.
There
is
money
to
be
made
and
jobs
to
be
made
with
our
economy
at
that
time
and
when
she
got
here
with
her
one-year-old
son,
they
said
no,
those
aren't
the
type
of
jobs
we
wanted
to
give
you
that's
slow
money.
G
We
want
you
to
make
fast
money,
and
so
this
gentleman
broke
in
the
car,
stole
people's
credit
cards
and
then
forced
mrs
smith
to
go
into
the
store
and
use
these
credit
cards.
So
our
crime
was
not
traditionally
on
the
radar
of
a
victim
of
sex
trafficking
and
we
brought
that
both
to
the
police's
attention
and
to
the
district
attorney's
attention
and
instead
of
dismissing
her
cases,
they
made
her
plead
to
misdemeanors,
and
so
now,
I'm
in
the
process
of
working
on
sealing
both
her
misdemeanor
records
so
that
she
can
get
a
better
job.
G
G
A
lot
of
the
treatment
before
you
are
could
be
accused
of
a
crime
or
even
convicted
of
a
crime
relies
on
insurance
and,
if
you're
poor,
you
don't
generally
have
insurance,
and
especially
looking
at
everybody
who
has
lost
their
jobs
throughout
this
coveted
pandemic.
The
lack
of
insurance
and
the
insured
has
grown
even
bigger,
but
the
goal
is
to
catch
people
before
they're,
victimized
or
victimize
others.
G
We
also
want
to
work
on
sealing
records.
Justice
hardesty
talked
about
the
dui
program
and
its
success,
and
in
2017
we
passed
your
body
passed
a
big
legislative
record-sealing
bill,
which
was
great.
It
changed
the
system
from
what
it
was
to
what
it
is
now,
but
there
is
still
work
to
do
on
the
ceiling
records
problem,
and
I
can
even
relay
that
for
mrs
smith
as
well.
G
It
needs
to
be
more
streamlined,
made
a
little
bit
simpler
and
perhaps
provide
more
relief
for
some
people
who
didn't
have
relief
in
the
past
and
we're
gonna
have
to
work
together
on
these.
We
can't
solve
these
problems
at
arm's
length,
using
fear
and
anger
to
separate
ourselves.
I
think
mother
teresa's
advice
is
prudent
here.
The
problem
is
that
we
have
forgotten
that
we
belong
to
each
other.
If
kinship
is
our
goal,
then
we
wouldn't
be
fighting
so
hard
for
justice.
A
Thank
you
so
much
mr
pirro
I'll
have
to
let
my
mother
know
that
I've
made
it
official
as
a
celebrity
she'll,
be
happy
to
know
that
and
of
course,
she's
probably
going
to
ask
me
why
I
don't
send
money.
So
I'm
going
to
leave
that
question
to
you,
but
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
We're
going
to
go
next
to
ms
burchie
and
we'll
hear
her
presentation
committee
and
then
we'll
have
a
chance
to
ask
some
questions.
So
ms
burchie
welcome
to
the
committee.
Please
go
ahead.
E
Good
morning,
thank
you
cherryjager
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary.
Thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
us
to
present
today.
As
you
heard,
we
will
be
presenting
or
testifying
very
frequently
in
this
committee,
because
a
lot
of
the
hard
work
that
you'll
be
working
on
with
the
bills
and
legislation
will
not
only
impact
our
office.
The
way
that
we
practice
law
but,
more
importantly,
will
impact
the
individuals
of
our
community
just
by
way
of
introduction.
For
those
who
do
not
know
me,
as
you
heard,
my
name
is
kendra
burchie.
E
I
am
a
felony
criminal
defense
attorney
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I've
been
with
the
office
for
the
past
five
years.
This
is
my
second
session.
So
thank
you
again
for
having
me
back
and
I'm
currently
on
our
category,
a
team
which
I
deal
primarily
with
individuals
who
are
accused
of
murders
and
sexual
assault
charges.
E
E
So,
as
we
all
know,
the
sixth
amendment
does
state
that
in
all
criminal
prosecutions
the
accused
shall
have
the
right
of
counsel
for
his
defense.
But
it
wasn't
until
this
case,
not
until
clarence
gideon
argued
that
this
should
ensure
that
state
courts
should
require
a
lawyer
for
not
just
capital
penalties,
but
for
other
cases
as
well.
E
As
mr
pero
indicated.
This
is
a
really
interesting
case
because
of
just
the
unlikely
hero
that
gideon
was
and
the
large
impact
that
this
has
had
on
criminal
defense
cases,
as
stated
by
attorney
general
robert
kennedy.
If
an
obsc,
if
an
obscure
florida
convict
named
clarence
earl
gideon,
had
not
sat
down
in
his
prison
cell
with
a
pencil
and
paper
to
write
a
letter
to
the
supreme
court.
If
the
court
had
not
taken
the
trouble
to
look
for
merit
in
that
one
accrued
petition,
the
vast
machinery
of
american
law
would
have
gone
on
functioning
undisturbed.
E
E
So
since
that
case,
there
have
been
additional
cases
which
ensured
that
individuals
who
are
accused
of
crimes
have
the
ability
and
the
right
to
have
an
attorney
and
not
just
felony
cases,
but
also
misdemeanors
as
long
as
there's
a
possibility
of
imprisonment.
E
The
washer
county
public
defender's
office
is
a
creation
of
both
state
and
county
legislation
and
that's
our
lovely
logo.
There
and
our
mission
statement
is
of
the
washington
county.
Public
defender's
office
is
to
protect
and
defend
the
rights
of
indigent
people
in
washington
county
by
providing
them
access
to
justice
through
professional
legal
representation
and
so
to
go
with
that.
Our
vision
statement
is
in
threefold
advocacy,
integrity
and
community
and,
as
mr
piro
indicated,
that
community
is
really
that
we
are
the
community
lawyers.
E
More
importantly,
not
only
do
we
advocate
for
the
regular
members
of
our
society,
mothers,
fathers,
daughters,
but
we
also
engage
in
a
lot
of
community
service
activity.
That's
something
that
is
really
important
to
our
office
to
make
sure
that
we
are
engaged
and
productive
members
of
our
community,
not
just
in
terms
of
being
in
the
workforce,
but
really
understanding
the
needs
and
assist
to
address
those.
E
So
what
do
we
do?
Is
the
washer
county
public
offenders
office?
As
you
heard,
mr
piro
indicate
he
went
through
the
specific
different
types
of
courts
that
we
appear
in
in
terms
of
working
on
juvenile
cases,
criminal
cases,
probation,
revocation,
hearings,
parole
hearings.
We
also
have
an
appellate
division.
E
We
also
represent
individuals
who
are
involved
in
involuntary
commitment
hearings.
So
when
they're
suffering
a
mental
health
crisis
and
a
hospital
or
physician
or
their
families
trying
to
petition
to
have
them
remain
there,
then
we
represent
those
individuals
to
ensure
that
their
due
process
rights
are
being
maintained.
E
The
main
difference
between
our
office
and
clark
county
is
that
we
also
have
a
family
division
so
that
we
represent
parents
whose
who
are
involved
in
that
foster
care
system
or
the
dependency
system.
E
E
Just
to
give
you
some
of
the
statistics
from
the
rand
study
that
mr
pirro
mentioned.
Is
that
just
having
this
holistic
defense
and
representation
reduces
the
likelihood
of
custodial
sentence
by
16
percent?
It
reduces
the
expected
sentence
length
by
24
in
over
a
10-year
study.
This
holistic
representation
in
bronx
resulted
in
1.1
million
million
fewer
days
of
incarceration,
which
saved
the
new
york's
taxpayers,
an
estimated
of
160
million
on
inmate
housing
costs
alone.
E
So,
besides
being
an
advocate
for
someone
in
court,
a
zealous
advocate
a
voice
for
the
voiceless.
Here
are
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
do
sponsors
cheerleaders
role
model,
counselor
financial
advisor
travel,
agent,
housing,
locator,
technical
support.
That's
been
very
big
during
this
pandemic,
where
we
have
to
teach
people
how
to
use
zoom
dog
foster,
dmv
expert
mentor,
and
it
just
keeps
going
on
and
on
so.
I
think
this
really
shows
how
much
we
have
to
be
involved
in
order
to
enact
change
with
our
clients.
E
E
We
also
have
an
immigration
attorney
on
staff
who
assists
with
ensuring
that
we
comply
with
padilla
and
are
able
to
provide
our
clients
with
the
most
recent
inform
information
on
immigration
consequences,
since,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
have
seen
in
the
news,
that
is
something
that
is
constantly
changing,
and
so
it's
really
important
to
have
someone
on
staff.
E
As
I
indicated,
we
have
attorneys
and
we
specialize
in
groups.
So
I'm
on
the
category
a
felony
team.
I
was
a
track
attorney
on
the
felony
team.
We
have
a
specific
team
who
is
the
misdemeanor
team?
Those
are
the
individuals
who
primarily
handle
our
pretension
hearings.
E
Our
bail
hearings,
the
72-hour
hearings,
but
the
felony
attorneys
assist
on
that
as
well
with
the
juvenile
team,
family
law,
team,
mental
health,
hospitalization
team,
and
we
do
not
have
social
workers
on
staff,
but
we
do
have
a
really
great
program
with
the
university
of
nevada
reno,
where
we
do
have
a
social
work
interns.
Luckily,
even
though
during
covid
their
program
changed,
we
were
able
to
keep
having
social
work
interns
and
we
currently
have
several
on
this
semester
and
we're
very
grateful
for
them.
E
If
there
is
one
we
also
have
a
summer
in
legal
intern
option
on
due
to
covet
again,
that's
changed,
we're
hoping
to
continue
to
have
legal
interns,
since
they
are
absolutely
invaluable
to
our
cases
so
now
for
criminal
justice
trends,
I'll
start
with
just
2018
I'll
go
through
these
pretty
quickly.
Just
because
you
do
have
this
provided
to
you,
where
it
just
provides
the
breakdown
of
the
cap.
The
cases
we've
received
the
breakdown
between
the
different
divisions
in
2019
that
really
didn't
change
too
much
in
terms
of
the
breakdown.
E
I
would
just
note
that
in
the
section
for
appeals,
paroles
and
miscellaneous,
this
does
include
also
the
cases
where
we're
appointed,
because
an
individual
is
now
able
to
have
thanks
to
the
work
that
was
done
last
session
to
have
counsel
if
they
are
picked
up
on
a
material
witness
warrant
to
ensure
that
they
do
have
counsel
to
discuss
that
issue
with
them.
Then
in
2020
obviously
covet
happened.
E
We
did
have
less
cases
that
we
received
all
echo
just
the
statements
that
mr
pirro
made,
but,
as
you
know,
it
doesn't
really
change
the
amount
of
hospitalizations
or
anything
like
that.
So
those
cases
still
continued.
E
E
Obviously,
in
march
we
did
have
a
dramatic
decrease
in
the
cases
that
we
received,
and
this
is
for
felony,
on
gross
misdemeanors
as
well
as
misdemeanor
cases,
then
here's
a
breakdown
for
the
different
divisions
just
for
another
way
for
on
people
to
be
able
to
see
the
breakdown
of
who
does
what
and
how
many
cases
we
received
and
when
and
as
you
can
see
even
in
march,
there
really
wasn't
a
difference
for
family
law
cases,
juvenile
cases,
civil
commitments
and
appeals.
E
Here's
just
to
show
if,
for
example,
there
are
two
individuals
accused
of
a
crime.
In
one
case,
our
office
can
only
represent
one
of
the
individuals,
and
so
we
will
conflict
off
of
the
other
case
that
will
go
to
the
alternate
public
defender's
office
if
they
can't
keep
it'll
go
to
our
conflict
panel,
but
here's
just
a
graph
to
show
how
many
cases
we
do
keep
we
retain
versus
that
we
conflict
off
of
before
I
go
on
to
this
slide.
E
E
You
heard
a
lot
about
the
adult
criminal
process
from
the
supreme
court,
justice
hardesty,
as
well
as
from
the
district
attorney's
office,
so
I
won't
go
into
it
too
much.
I
would
just
note
that
what
I
have
here
in
misdemeanor
pre-trial
we
call
it
the
mandatory
status
or
mandatory
pretrial
conference
for
felonies
that
it's
a
mandatory
status
conference,
that's
unique
to
our
system.
It's
not
practiced
in
clark
county.
It's
a
separate
hearing
where
the
whole
purpose
was
to
have
people
come
to
court
to
ensure
that
we
are
all
together.
E
I
would
note
that
in
incline
they
are
accommodating
this,
the
mp,
the
mandatory
pretrial
conferences
by
zoom,
where
they're
sending
us
into
a
breakout
room.
So
we
are
working
on
different
ways
to
ensure
that
this
is
available.
E
Just
to
note
currently,
the
average
felony
attorney
has
approximately
75
to
90
open
cases.
The
average
misdemeanor
attorney
has
around
160
cases
open
at
one
time,
so
that's
not
for
the
entire
year.
It's
if
I
looked
into
my
my
calendar
right
now
in
terms
of
all
the
cases
that
I
have
that's,
what
would
show
up
so
I've
been
broken
down
here
for
the
gross
misdemeanor
felony,
just
to
kind
of
give
a
little
overview
of
this
system.
E
As
you
heard,
valdez
cement
has
greatly
changed
the
way
that
we
do
pre-trial
detention
hearings.
I
did
provide
in
the
materials
the
valdez
him
in
his
case,
so
if
you're
interested
in
reading,
what
that
is,
that
should
be
located
there
as
well.
I
also
provided
a
nevada
lawyer
magazine
article
that
was
written
by
john
pirro,
which
really
explains
this
case,
because
it
is
complicated
and
has
so
much
of
an
impact.
E
E
E
Hearing
you'll
hear
more
about
that
npra
in
terms
of
just
some
of
the
concerns
that
there
are
regarding
racial
bias,
as
well
as
potential
bills,
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
are
actually
in
tracking
the
system
to
ensure
that
it's
working
correctly
and
that
that
system
is
evidence-based,
since
it
is
going
to
the
judge
and
they
do
are
making
a
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
someone
should
be
released
after
reviewing
that
npra
and
what's
called
the
probable
cause
sheet,
which
is
the
initial
report
that
a
that
a
officer
will
fill
out
after
someone's
been
arrested.
E
So
that's
the
judicial
review
is
done
not
in
a
courtroom,
a
judge
reviews
that,
without
input
from
public
defenders
or
district
attorneys,
in
order
to
determine
the
initial
bail
amount
again,
we
don't
have
a
bail
schedule.
So
it's
really
up
to
the
judge
to
make
that
decision
and
that's
when
they
also
decide
whether
or
not
to
just
issue.
What's
called
a
no
bail
hold
where
that
person
would
not
be
able
to
post
bail
until
that
first
appearance
court
in
washoe
county.
There's
differences
between
on
what
court
you're
in
in
reno
justice
court.
E
You're
gonna
have
your
bail
hearing
that
next
business
day.
I
would
call
the
first
appearance
docket
in
a
sparks
justice
court.
That's
going
to
be
approximately
the
third
business
day
after
your
arrest.
It's
called
the
72
hearing
hour
hearing.
That's
where
we're
able
to
request
for
a
person's
release.
E
I
would
just
note
that
this
is
that
third
business
day
was
kind
of
due
to
negotiations
as
well.
There
was
some
addition
original
talk
that
that
third
business
day
hearing
was
actually
going
to
be
at
the
mandatory
pre-trial
conference
or
status
conference,
which
happens
14
days
after
the
first
appearance,
and
I
I'll
just
note
that
the
district
attorney's
office
agreed
with
us
and
they
did
work
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
were
able
to
have
bail
hearings
prior
to
the
14
days
after
the
first
appearance.
E
We
don't
represent
individuals
in
municipal
court,
but
just
for
information
as
to
why
this
is
such
an
important
issue
on
the
timing.
I
am
aware
of
cases
where
we've
had
college
students
who
have
no
criminal
history
in
municipal
court
so
for
misdemeanor
charges
who
are
held
on
a
no
bail
hold
for
four
days.
So
that's
kind
of
why
this
is
such
an
important
issue,
especially
because
there's
no
standard
of
when
exactly
these
hearings
are
taking
place.
E
So
it's
hard
for
us
to
be
able
to
tell
clients
exactly
when
they're
gonna
have
the
hearing
we're
working
on
making
sure
that
that's
very
clear,
as
well
as
trying
to
figure
out
how
clients
can
even
be
informed
of
what
their
bail
is
prior
to
that
hearing.
When
the
judge
does
the
review
and
set
the
bail
amount,
we
don't
have
an
opportunity
at
that
time
to
speak
with
our
clients
and
nobody
tells
them
what
that
bail
amount.
E
As
I
indicated,
we
have
a
designated
team
to
represent
individuals.
We
changed
this
after
the
valdez
jimenez
decision
in
order
to
try
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
representation
to
our
clients
as
quickly
as
possible.
What
this
means
is
we
have
a
misdemeanor
and
a
felony
attorney
every
morning
in
court
representing
these
individuals
in
reno
justice
court,
as
well
as
an
investigator
who
is
reaching
out
to
try
to
confirm
housing
situation,
employment
things
like
that,
as
well
as
a
secretary.
E
We
have
to
have
a
secretary
because
in
washa
county
the
district
attorneys
are
unable
to,
as
ms
noble
indicated,
email
us
criminal
history
sheets.
So
we
have
to
send
a
secretary
to
to
walk
to
the
district
attorney's
office
to
pick
up
the
criminal
histories
to
sign
for
each
and
every
single
one
to
then
come
back
to
our
office,
to
upload
it
and
to
ensure
that
the
attorney
handling
the
case
has
the
information
just
I.
I
would
note
that,
if
anyone's
interested
in
watching
these
bail
hearings,
please
let
me
know
they
are
online.
E
E
So,
as
we
indicated,
we
do
have
some
unique
features
since
I
went
over
them
before
I
won't
go
over
them
too
much
just
part
of
what
we
do
is
also
to
ensure
that
our
clients
understand
what
their
collateral
consequences
are
of
if
they
do
are
convicted
of
anything.
E
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
know
also
going
back
to
the
bail
hearing.
If
someone
is
granted
known,
recognizance
released
that
doesn't
mean
that
they're
released
right
away.
They
still
have
to
go
to
the
booking
process
where
they
are
then
released,
and
it
can
take
several
hours
oftentimes
at
that
point,
depending
on
you
know,
even
if
it's
just
the
next
business
day,
their
phone
could
be
dead
and
they're
released
at
the
par
boulevard,
which
has
a
bus,
stop
that
isn't
always
open.
E
It's
not
in
the
best
neighborhoods,
and
so
that's
just
something
I
do
want
to
note
of.
There
are
some
issues,
just
also
regarding
the
timing
of
release.
I'm
sure
that
lieutenant
silverino
will
provide
additional
information
about
the
new
washer
county
detention
service
unit.
I
do
want
to
give
a
shout
out
just
to
detective
mark
hester
who's
really
gone
above
and
beyond.
E
E
I
had
a
client
where
we
spent
almost
approximately
two
weeks
trying
to
figure
out
how
he
could
use
zoom
and,
despite
having
the
not
having
the
appropriate
equipment,
not
having
a
smartphone
and
not
and
being
housing
and
secure,
we
were
able
to
make
it
work,
so
those
are
just
some
new
additions
that
have
caused
some
hiccups
in
this
system.
E
We
do
have
a
lot
of
new
procedures
in
terms
of
we
were
able
to
hear
three
jury
trials
before
we
were
shut
down
in
november.
The
courtroom
has
been
retrofitted
to
have
plexiglas
between
clients,
council
jurors.
As
ms
noble
mentioned,
we
have
a
headset
in
order
to
speak
with
the
court.
We
also
have
a
separate
headset
in
order
to
speak
with
our
clients.
It
makes
it
very
difficult,
when
you're
trying,
when
you're
in
a
hearing,
to
try
to
navigate
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
right
headset
and
are
talking
to
the
right
person.
E
More
importantly,
we've
changed
to
have
a
shared
drive,
because
our
court
decided-
and
I
believe
the
stakeholders
indicated
that
due
to
the
virus,
we
were
concerned
with
passing
documents
so
we're
using
that
in
order
to
and
how
to
reinvent
how
you
introduce
evidence,
as
well
as
how
to
impeach
different
people.
So
just
simple
things
like
that,
which
are
the
bread
and
butter
of
a
trial
that
we've
had
to
reinvent
how
to
do
it.
In
order
to
accommodate
these
unique
circumstances.
E
We
also
just
started
our
criminal
settlement
conferences.
I
know
that
clark
county
was
used
by
utilizing
that
earlier.
I
believe
that
we
had
our
first
one
during
covid,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we're
trying
to
utilize
as
well.
In
order
to
resolve
cases,
but
again
that's
only
if
that's
what
our
client
wishes
to
do.
Our
office
also
went
paperless
due
to
coven.
E
We've
luckily
have
been
having
a
lot
of
different
ways
of
communicating
with
our
clients.
The
washer
county
sheriff's
office
did
implement
a
what's
called
jail
atm.
It's
an
email
system
which
allows
our
clients
to
email
us
free
of
charge,
which
makes
it
a
lot
easier
in
order
to
be
able
to
have
effective
communication,
especially
when
our
clients
are
placed
on
quarantine.
If
there
are
allegations
that
anybody
else
in
their
unit
has
been
exposed
to
covid,
so
that
is
a
good
way
to
be
able
to
keep
in
contact
with
their
clients.
E
Additionally,
we
are
utilizing,
what's
called
evidence.com,
it's
a
cloud-based
digital
evidence,
management
system
that
allows
police
departments
to
upload
the
video
evidence
captured
by
their
body
cameras.
So
what
happens?
Is
a
police
officer
uploads
the
body
camera
footage,
and
then
the
district
attorney
has
to
release
it
to
our
office.
E
We
are
reaching
out
to
different
stakeholders
in
order
to
have
workshops.
For
example,
we
had
a.
We
continue
to
have
workshops
with
national
experts
on
race
regarding
implicit
bias
and
training,
and
how
to
utilize
that
training
in
the
justice
system
when
speaking
to
different
partners,
including
with
judges,
to
help
everyone
understand
the
issues
that
are
in
our
system,
we've
also
just
that's
being
done
voluntarily.
That's
not
for
cle
credits.
We
also
work
on
what's
called
celie's,
so
continuing
legal
education
where
we
work
to
provide
our
attorneys
in-house
trainings.
E
We
also
participated
in
the
sheriff's
very
first
community
resource,
fair,
so
we're
working
to
ensure
that
we
are
active
and
out
in
the
community.
E
So
with
what's
new,
as
we
heard
a
lot
from
justice
hardesty
about
ab236,
I
won't
go
into
that,
except
really
just
thanking
this
committee
for
the
hard
work
on
that,
especially
chairman
yeager,
vice
chair
nguyen
and
obviously
supreme
court
justice
hardesty
as
well.
E
So,
as
I
indicated,
you
can
see
everything
online
for
our
different
court
proceedings
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.
If
you
would
like
to
observe
any
hearings,
as
mr
pero
indicated,
we
do
have
a
and
with
a
zip,
lovely
zoom
hearings,
you'll
likely
hear
my
dog
molly,
so
just
wanted
to
provide
the
court
with
or
not
the
court
with
you
guys
with
telly
some
visuals
of
my
lovely
sidekick
during
this
session.
E
So
just
to
end,
I
think
this
quote
really
expresses
what
it
is
like
to
be
a
public
defender.
It's
not
an
easy
occupation,
especially
during
these
times
of
kobit.
The
public
defenders
stand
alone
armed
only
with
their
wits,
training
and
dedication
inspired
by
their
clients,
hope,
faith
and
trust.
They
are
warriors
and
valkyries
of
those
desperately
in
need
of
a
champion
public
defenders
by
protecting
the
downtrodden
and
poor
shield
against
infringement
of
our
protections
and
in
reality
protect
us
all.
A
Thank
you
so
much
miss
burchie
and
certainly
understandable
that
we
may
have
some
pets.
In
the
background.
That's
perfectly
fine.
I
would
just
ask
no
make
sure
members
no
cap
filters
on
your
zoom
when
you
log
in
that
would
be
helpful
to
not
have
that
happen,
and
if
you
haven't
seen
that
video,
yet
you
should
watch
it
because
it'll
definitely
make
you
laugh.
So
here's
what's
kind
of
going
on
community.
We
we
have
just
a
little
bit
of
time
for
questions.
A
I'm
sure
we're
not
going
to
have
time
for
all
the
questions,
because
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
time
to
hear
our
bill.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
recognize
two
of
our
members
to
ask
questions
and
then,
unfortunately,
for
the
rest
of
you,
if
you
have
questions
you're
going
to
have
to
ask
them
offline,
but
I
assure
you
that
both
mr
pirro
and
miss
burchie
are
accessible
and
responsive.
So
we'll
take
questions
first
from
assemblywoman
summers,
armstrong
and
then
assemblywomanhansen.
D
Thank
you,
chair
jaeger,
thank
you,
mr
hero,
and
I'm
sorry.
I
can't
now
I
can't
see
her
name,
the
other.
Oh,
miss
bursky.
For
your
time
and
your
presentations.
We
appreciate
it
quick
question
about
record
sealing
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
concerned
about
is
whether
or
not
any
of
the
folks
who
have
requested
their
records
to
be
sealed.
D
One
are
running
into
issues
with
compliance
from
the
district
attorney's
office,
who,
I
believe,
has
a
part
in
this
and
second,
if
you've
all
been
able
to
to
assemble
any
data
as
to
whether
or
not
people
who
have
had
their
records
sealed
are
finding
that
background
checks
are
still
finding
their
criminal
records
because
of
the
availability
of
information
on
the
internet.
G
John
pirro,
for
the
record,
I
I
would
say
sometimes
there
is
a
roadblock
with
the
district
attorney's
office
and
if
that's
the
case,
we
can
bring
it
before
the
court
to
sort
that
out,
but
it
is
a
very
it's
up
to
the
judge's
discretion,
and
so
we've
had
some
difficulties
with
that.
There
was
a
recent
nevada
supreme
court
case,
though,
that
recognized
that
this
body
had
passed
legislation
in
2017.
G
That
stated
it
is,
I
don't
want
to
misstate
it,
but
it's
the
goal
to
seal
records
once
somebody
files
it
like
there
is
a
presumption
that
a
person
has
changed
and
the
record
should
be
sealed.
The
second
thing
that
I
would
say
is
the
second
part
of
your
question.
Assemblywoman
would
be
better
directed
at
nevada
legal
services
to
see
if
they've
been
keeping
the
data.
I
apologize,
but
our
state
and
even
my
office
has
not
been
doing
a
good
job
of
keeping
data
and
that's
probably
something
we
should
be.
E
B
I
always
enjoy
hearing
from
you
and
and
really
do
appreciate
the
vital
lifeline
that
public
defenders
are
to
the
system.
I've
told
you
before
I'm
the
daughter
of
a
district
attorney,
but
I
have
a
great
appreciation
and
respect
that
we
need
public
defenders
and
it's
that
tension
between
the
two
sides
of
of
defense
and
prosecution
that
hopefully
get
us
to
where
justice
is
with
that
little
disclaimer.
B
How
is
this
affecting
your
clients
like
going
forward,
and
maybe
just
a
mental
antidotal
example
of
how
long
have
some
of
your
clients
been.
F
G
Chair
with
your
permission,
I'll
go
first
and
then
perhaps
miss
burchie
can
jump
in
as
well
assemblywoman
hanson
the
backlog
is
actually
rather
frightening.
Some
clients
are
out
of
custody
and
I
have
a
trial
that
was
waiting
from
even
before
last
session
and
I'm
thankful
that
she's
out
of
custody
but
she's
been
on
high
level
electronic
monitoring
since
20
since
december
of
2018.,
so
the
backlog
is
actually
pretty
frightening
to
all
of
us.
G
I
think
the
da's
are
going
to
have
an
increased
caseload,
we're
most
certainly
going
to
have
an
increased
caseload
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
people
waiting
in
custody
for
potentially
a
year
or
more
before
a
trial
is
heard
and
that's
going
to
lead
to
bad
results
for
everybody,
because
if
you
have
a
crime
that
was
committed
in
the
poorer
communities,
sometimes
the
witnesses
are
transient.
G
E
If
I
may
briefly,
a
kendra
birchie
for
the
record,
our
courts
have
been
working
with
stakeholders
in
order
to
prioritize
to
ensure
that
those
individuals
who
did
invoke
so
asked
for
their
right
to
a
speedy
trial
to
have
them
be
prioritized
in
our
flights
for
resuming
jury
trials.
And
I
would
just
note
that
I
had
a
trial
with
an
individual
who
is
the
first
one
to
be
continued.
E
Due
to
covid
back
in
march,
we
set
his
trial
for
november
and
unfortunately,
due
to
individuals
on
the
case,
testing
positive
for
kovid,
and
then
the
courthouse
shutdown
that
trial
is
still
pending
now
again
for
march.
So
as
long
as,
hopefully,
the
jury
trials
resume,
but
that's
just
to
give
some
information
of
there
are
and
he
that
person
is
still
in
custody.
E
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
the
members.
I
know
there
are
probably
more
questions
out
there,
so
I
apologize,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we
give
enough
time
to
hear
our
first
bill.
So,
mr
pirro,
ms
burchie,
thank
you
for
spending
time
with
us
this
morning
and
telling
us
about
your
respective
offices.
We
look
forward
to
having
you
in
committee
on
a
regular
basis
and
working
with
you
this
session
and
please
have
a
great
rest
of
the.
A
Day
so
we'll
close
the
presentations
that
we
heard
and
is
everyone
ready
for
our
first
bill
because
that's
what
is
about
to
happen
so
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
formally
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
17
assembly
bill
17
revises
provisions
relating
to
the
discharge
of
certain
persons
from
probation
or
parole.
I
want
to
welcome
back
to
the
committee
one
second
here:
chief
lawson
who's
gonna
present
the
bill
to
us
committee
members.
A
There
is
a
short,
a
powerpoint
presentation
that
I
believe
captain
lawson
will
share,
share
a
screen
with
us,
but
it
is
available
online
for
committee
members,
members
of
the
public
and
what
we'll
do
is
give
the
chief
a
chance
to
present
the
bill.
Then
we'll
take
questions
from
the
committee
before
going
to
testimony
and
support
opposition
and
neutral.
So
chief
lawson
welcome
back
and
please
take
it
away.
B
H
H
Awesome
apologize
for
clicking
on
the
wrong
screen
there
so
good
morning.
Thank
you,
chairman
yeager,
and
I'm
honored
that
you
are
hearing
our
our
bill.
First
of
all,
the
work
you'll
have
to
do
this
session
so
good
morning
chair.
Thank
you
for
that
and
welcome.
Thank
you
again
to
the
members
of
the
committee
for
for
inviting
us
here
today.
B
E
To
stop
it
and
if
we
could
just
try
restarting
your
screen
share
again,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
going
through
to.
E
E
H
Thank
you.
So,
under
existing
law,
the
court
is
responsible
for
ordering
either
an
honorable
or
dishonorable
discharge
for
probationers,
who
are
completing
their
term
of
supervision
by
the
division
and
for
parolees
the
division
issues,
the
discharge
and
reports
that
finding
back
to
the
the
parole
board.
Historically,
there
has
been
a
distinction
between
an
honorable
dishonorable
discharge
and
that
distinction
has
been
related
to
the
restoration
of
civil
rights
of
the
supervised
individual,
upon
completion
of
their
term
of
supervision.
H
During
the
79th
and
80th
legislative
sessions,
legislative
action
has,
I
guess,
eliminated
the
distinction
between
the
the
rights
restored
following
a
honorable
versus
dishonorable
discharge,
and
now
the
the
restoration
of
rights
are
identical,
regardless
of
the
type
of
discharge
that's
received
by
the
supervised
individual.
H
So
because
of
that,
I
guess
lack
of
distinction
between
the
types
of
discharge
between
honorable
and
dishonorable
and
that
the
the
civil
rights
are
restored
identically
in
either
case
the
division
seeks
to
remove
that
distinction
of
honorable
or
versus
dishonorable
discharges
from
the
applicable
statutes,
and
I
guess,
issue
what
it
would
be
termed
as
a
general
discharge,
it's
a
a
discharge
for
everyone,
expiring
supervision.
H
This
practice
could
ultimately
lead
to
individuals
who
are
dishonorably
discharged
due
to
circumstances
beyond
their
control
being
categorized
inappropriately
in
future
criminal
justice
actions,
relatively
compliant
offenders
receive
dishonorable
discharges
currently
and
relatively
non-compliant.
Offenders
receive
honorable
discharges
based
upon
the
way
the
differentiation
between
honorable
and
dishonorable
is
worded
with
an
existing
statute.
H
This
change
would
also
help
to
alleviate
some
of
the
procedural
distinctions
that
were
realizing
and
that
caused
us.
This
delays
with
the
offender
receiving
their
actual
discharge
paperwork
from
the
court
when
there
is
a
difference
between
the
judge's
view
of
whether
it
should
be
an
honorable
versus
dishonorable
award
versus
what
the
statute
requires
us
to
recommend.
H
At
times
the
judges
choose
not
to
sign
the
discharge,
and
in
that
case,
the
offender.
The
offender
is
in
a
state
of
limbo.
We
do
not,
as
the
division
have
the
legal
authority
to
continue
supervising
them
since
they've
expired
their
term.
However,
they
don't
have
their
official
discharge
document,
because
that
process
isn't
followed
by
eliminating
that
distinction,
then
that
our
view
is
that
it
would
speed
up
that
process
and
allow
the
those
cases
to
proceed
more
expediently.
H
Additionally,
the
distinction
could
limit
former
offenders
options
and
opportunities
to
gain
access
to
supervision
in
the
future
if
they
were
labeled
as
honorable
or
dishonorable
and
as
a
dishonorable,
maybe
that
brands
their
supervision
for
the
future
in
the
current
justice
environment,
current
environment
of
justice
reform
is
incumbent
upon
the
state
to
examine
all
processes
that
may
create
obstacles
and
barriers
to
continued
rehabilitation
and
access
to
assistance.
H
I
also
like
to
note
these
changes
do
not
impact
any
of
the
recent
added
language
from
last
session
of
baby
236
relative
to
the
early
discharge
of
offenders
from
parole,
probation.
In
fact,
those
statutes
when
they
were
authored.
Those
chips
were
made
last
session.
Do
not
provide
a
distinction
in
regards
to
early
discharge.
It
was
just
that
the
they're
eligible
for
an
early
discharge.
It
does
not
define
whether
that
discharge
should
be
honorable
or
dishonorable.
H
I'm
a
little
embarrassed
to
have
to
say
that
one
element
we
didn't
think
about
when
we
wrote
our
executive
bill
draft
was
in
terms
of
the
reporting
requirements
from
8236
relative
to
our
reporting
to
the
nevada
sentencing,
commission,
and
so
our
friends
at
the
nevada
department
of
sentencing
policy,
pointed
out
that
we
missed
some
conforming
language
in
our
bill
to
address
the
report,
we
provide
to
the
department
of
sentencing
policy
for
their
creation
of
that
report
to
the
sentencing
commission
and
we
worked
with
them
and
they've
offered
this
friendly
amendment
that
we
would
ask
the
committee
to
consider
as
it
evaluates
the
bill,
and
this
just
makes
a
conforming
change
to
the
reporting
requirements
of
the
division.
H
H
In
addition,
we've
reached
out
to
the
other
stakeholders
that
may
be
impacted
by
this
bill,
specifically
the
aclu,
the
public
defenders,
offices
of
both
clark
and
washoe
county
we've
also
spoken
to
the
prosecuting
attorneys
for
clark
and
washoe
counties,
as
well
as
chairman
dorico
of
the
parole
board,
I
believe,
hopefully,
mr
pirro
and
ms
burchie
are
still
online
and
and
our
conversations
with
them
will
be
very
positive
and
I'll.
Let
them
speak
for
their
view
on
this.
H
In
terms
of
the
representing
the
district
attorney's
offices,
they
expressed
some
initial
reservations
about
the
bill
regarding
the
changes
and
we're
having
some
ongoing
conversations
with
them,
trying
to
alleviate
their
concerns
that
you
know
that
the
distinction
of
of
type
of
discharge
is
is
a
consideration
for
them
for
future
charging
decisions,
and
so
we're
working
to
find
a
a
way
to
provide
them
the
essential
information
they
need
for
those
future
charging
decisions,
either
via
the
precincts
investigation
reports
or
via
our
discharge
reports
to
ensure
that
they
have
the
full
picture
of
the
individual's
compliance
with
supervision.
H
History,
rather
than
just
that.
One
word
to
describe
the
type
of
discharge
they
received
from
previous
supervision,
and
so
I
appreciate
your
time
today
the
presentation
as
short
and
sweet
as
I
could
to
get
the
point
across,
but
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
may
have
regarding
the
bill.
A
Thank
you
so
much
chief
lawson
one
question
that
I
had
just
a
clarifying
question
in
the
presentation
you
just
spoke
about
it.
There's
this
amendment
that,
and
so
I
wanted
to
confirm
just
a
couple
of
things
that
one
this
amendment
was
offered
by
the
department
of
sentencing
policy
and
that
you,
as
the
bill
sponsor,
do
consider
this
to
be
a
friendly
amendment
to
the
bill.
H
Tom
austin
for
the
record.
Yes,
sir
chairman,
I
I
do.
We
worked
very
well
with
with
victoria
at
department
of
sentencing
policy
and
she
proposed
the
language
and-
and
we
agree,
we,
like,
I
said,
I'm
a
little
embarrassed-
that
we
didn't
catch
it
ourselves
and
appreciate
that
her
bringing
it
forward,
and
it
is
certainly
a
friendly
amendment.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
chief
lawson
we're
going
to
take
questions
from
the
committee.
I
have
a
couple
people
so
far,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
take
these
and
then
we'll
get
to
some
others,
I'm
sure
we'll
start
with
assemblywoman
gonzalez
and
then
assemblywoman
krasner.
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
assemblywoman,
gonzales
assembly,
district
16
for
the
record.
What
happens
to
people
who
may
have
these
distinctions
in
their
release
and
then
they
come
back.
So
if
they're,
if
we're
like
no
longer
giving
these
distinctions,
are
those
still
in
their
record.
H
Thank
you
for
your
question.
This
is
tom
lawson
again
for
the
respondent
on
behalf
of
the
division,
so
the
prior
term
of
supervision
will
remain
in
in
the
offender's
criminal
history.
So,
instead
of
the
previous
supervision
history,
just
showing
honorable
or
dishonorable,
it
would
show
they
were
discharged
from
supervision,
and
then
the
support
for
that
and
and
description
of
their
compliance
with
supervision
would
be
contained
in
both
the
discharge
report.
That
was
provided
to
the
court,
which
would
be
available
to
the
prosecutors
for
future
charging
decisions.
H
So
they
could
actually
view
what
technical
violations
or
other
issues
that
the
person
had
with
supervision,
as
opposed
to
just
that.
One
word
of
honorable
or
dishonorable
that
the
information
is
still
available,
and
that
was
some
of
the
resolution.
We're
attempting
to
find
with
the
the
prosecuting
attorneys
is
how
to
give
them
the
actual
supervision
information,
rather
than
that.
One
word.
B
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
celia
gonzalez
assembly,
district
16..
So
sorry,
it's
unclear.
So
are
you
going
back
into
their
files
to
change
this
description,
or
is
it
just
if
that
person
were
to
come
back
then
it
would
just
say
that
they
were
discharged.
H
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that
tom
watson
again
for
the
record.
No,
this
will
be
for
future
discharges
after
the
effective
date.
Any
discharge
issued
for
probation
or
for
parole
would
just
be
a
general
discharge
overall,
and
we
would
not
go
back
and
reclassify
previous
discharges
that
certainly
isn't
the
intent
here.
H
I
guess
in
the
overall
scheme
of
things
to
put
that
into
scale
since
the
start
of
our
otis
system.
We
have
about
215
000
offender
records
in
that
system,
and
that
just
wouldn't
be,
I
guess,
feasible,
to
reclassify
all
those.
B
H
Thank
you,
tom
lawson,
for
the
record.
The
qualifications
for
an
honorable
or
dishonorable
are
covered
by
the
statutes,
we're
looking
to
amend
here,
nrs
176,
a
.850
that
covers
the
requirements
for
probation
and
then
interest.
H
There's
a
general
statement
regarding
compliance,
but
it's
very
open-ended,
so
some
of
that
is
a
discretionary
element
of
the
court
of
whether
they
deem
them
to
be
compliant
or
if
they
are
able
to
to
pay
their
fines
and
fees.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
the
exact
verbiage
available
to
bring
up
with
the
presentation,
but
those
are
the
statute
references
and
so
now
the
the
statute
is
written.
To
say
that
excuse
me,
I
do
have
that
in
the
bill
draft
itself.
H
Person
who
has
fulfilled
the
conditions
of
probation
for
the
entire
period
thereof
is
recommended
for
early
just
I
mean
that's
wrong
section
of
certain
discharge.
H
Okay,
a
person
may
be
granted
a
honorable
discharge
from
probation
by
order
of
the
court
if
they
have
essentially
it's
the
demonstrated
fitness
for
audible
discharge,
but
because
of
economic
hardship,
verify
the
division
have
been
unable
to
make
restitution
payments
and
essentially
have
been
fulfilled.
The
conditions
of
probation
for
the
entire
period
thereof
oral.
H
H
Parole
is
section
four
of
the
bill
and
it
says
current
statute.
The
division
shall
issue
an
honorable
discharge
to
a
parolee
whose
term
of
sentence
has
expired
if
the
parolee
has
fulfilled
the
conditions
of
his
or
her
parole
for
the
entire
period
of
his
or
her
parole
or
demonstrated
his
or
her
fitness
for
honorable
discharge,
but
because
of
economic
hardship
verified
by
the
division
has
been
unable
to
make
restitution
payments
as
ordered.
The
division
shall
issue
a
dishonorable
discharge
to
a
parolee
whose
term
of
sentences
has
expired.
H
H
But
it's
it's
an
arguable
point
of
whether
that
was
enough
to
earn
an
honorable
discharge
or
not,
and
so,
like
I
said,
we
have,
we
have
people
on
record
who
have
earned
or
been
labeled
as
a
dishonorable
discharge,
even
though
they've
given
a
you,
know
a
very
good
effort
towards
paying
their
restitution
and
fees,
but
are
just
incapable
of
doing
so
within
the
supervision
term,
given
the
amount
that
might
be
owed
or
their
earning
potential.
H
And
so
you
know,
my
worry
is
that
you
know
if
somebody
has
a
choice
of
making
a
restitution
payment
or
putting
food
on
the
table
for
their
children
or
house
over
housing,
their
their
family.
It's
kind
of
a
you
know.
Looking
at
maslow's
hierarchy
knees,
it's
a
simple
decision
for
most
people
to
make
they're
going
to
feed
their
children
before
the
restitution,
and
so
when
they
do
or
provide
as
much
as
they
possibly
can.
While
meeting
those
those
basic
you
know,
health
and
safety
needs
to
label
it.
H
B
Yes,
thank
you.
So
two
two
things
I
did
read
the
bill.
B
Is
it
only
not
paying
restitution
that
constitutes
a
dishonorable
discharge,
because
my
concern
would
be
like
say
there
said
a
child
molester
and
they
are
out
on
parole
and
probation
and
they're
hanging
around
the
preschool
every
day,
which
violates
their
terms
of
parole
and
probation
that
are
they
still
now
they're,
not
labeled,
dishonorable
discharged.
H
Right
tom
austin
for
the
record,
so
in
that
case,
that
would
be
an
actual
violation
and
really
you
know
possibly
a
new
crime
could
be
committed
there,
so
that
that
would
be
part
of
their
compliance
with
the
conditions
or
fulfilling
the
conditions
of
of
their
term
of
supervision,
and
so
and
that
kind
of
case
you
know
again,
it's
not
labeled
within
statute
could
a
judge
order
that
to
be
an
honorable.
Possibly
that's
that's
within
the
the
discretion
of
the
court.
H
Given
the
statute,
all
those
factors
would
certainly
be
considered,
and
that
would
be
part
of
that
compliance
with
terms
of
supervision
of
whether
they
would
be
awarded
an
honorable
versus
dishonorable
in
this
case.
But
again,
the
important
part
of
that
is
that
that
compliance
with
supervision
would
be
documented
within
the
discharge
report
and
referenced
in
a
future
psi.
So,
regardless
of
that
one
word
descriptor
the
evidence,
the
factual,
I
guess,
information
regarding
their
compliance
with
supervision
for
future
prosecution
and
placement
of
supervision.
A
And
before
I
take
other
questions,
let
me
just
ask
a
clarifying
question:
chief
lawson.
Nothing
in
this
bill
would
prevent
the
division
of
parole
and
probation
from
seeking
a
revocation
of
parole
or
probation
and
asking
a
judge
to
send
someone
back
to
prison
if
they
were
to
do
something
that
egregiously
violated
their
terms
of
supervision.
Is
that
right.
H
Yes,
sir,
this
is
tom
austin's
record.
That's
a
very
good
point
is
that
this
only
deals
with
that
out
processing
of
of
the
supervised
individual
as
they
expire
their
term
of
supervision.
H
So
if
they're
non-compliant
to
the
point
of
either
exercising
through
multiple
multiple
technical
violations
and
are
intermediate
sanctions
matrix
to
the
point
where
there's
repeated
offenses
that
have
escalated
to
seeking,
revocation
or
if
the
offense
was
egregious
enough
to
seek,
revocation
immediately
or
if
they're
being
charged
with
new
charges,
new
criminal
offenses,
then
this
that
wouldn't
be
addressed
here
that
would
be
independent.
H
So
those
sort
of
people
like
in
your
example
assembly,
woman,
assemblywoman
of
the
convicted
sex
offender,
who
was
you
know
at
the
park
or
actively
soliciting
children?
That
would
be
addressed
independently
of
the
discharge
and
again
those
facts
would
be
placed
within
the
completion
records.
The
discharge
records
of
the
the
current
case
before
initiation
of
the
next
case.
A
And
let
me
just
make
a
quick
clarifying
remark
because
I
know
this
is
our
first
bill
and
we
haven't
gotten
into
some
of
this,
but
for
those
who
aren't
versed
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
if
you
get
probation
from
a
judge,
there's
always
a
suspended
sentence
that
you're
given
so
essentially
a
judge
would
sentence
you
jail
time
or
prison
time
and
hold
that
sentence
over
your
head
to
see
how
you
do
on
probation,
and
so
you
know
there
are.
A
A
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
today
is
when
you
get
to
the
end
of
the
line
and
parole
probation
is
looking
at.
How
did
you
do
on
probation
and
should
we
recommend
an
honorable
or
dishonorable
that's
sort
of
what
we're
talking
about
and
then
on
the
parole
side.
Very
similar
brawl
is
when
you
are
already
in
prison.
A
You
got
released,
but
there's
still
some
of
your
sentence,
that's
hanging
over
your
head,
and
so
you
know
you
have
to
follow
conditions
of
parole
and
if
you
don't
do
well
in
that,
then
a
judge
could
send
you
back
to
serve
the
remainder
of
the
sentence.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
we're
not
tying
a
prone
probation
or
a
judge's
hands
to
say
you
can't
send
someone
back
to
do
the
rest
of
their
sentence.
A
B
Chair
and
thank
you
chief
lawson
for
the
presentation
after
listening
to
you,
I
now
understand
the
point
of
the
bill
being
that
we've
got
this
one
word
descriptor,
it's
not
always
accurate
and
that's
why
and
that
is,
is
harmful
to
to
former
offenders
who
are
trying
to
get
their
life
back.
But
what
I
want
to
know
is
because
the
vast
majority
of
us
don't
know
that
the
word
descriptor
is
inaccurate
and
you
know
honorable
sounds
good.
B
Dishonorable
sounds
bad,
but
but
when
a
a
former
offender
had
that
certificate
of
honorable
discharge,
they
had
something
they
could
show
to
to
anyone
in
their
in
their
sphere
as
they
were
getting
jobs
as
run
as
they're.
Looking
for
homes.
That
type
of
thing
look,
I've
got
the
certificate.
It
says
I
was
released
honorably.
It
shows
that
I'm
getting
my
life
back
together,
I'm
doing
what
I'm
supposed
to
do,
I'm
complying
with
the
law,
I'm
complying
with
the
terms
of
my
probation
or
my
parole.
B
So
is
there
an
alternative
now
for
someone
that
they
can
show?
Look,
here's
here's
my
progression.
Yes,
I
was
convicted
or
I
was
you
know
I
served
time,
but
here's
what
shows
that
I'm
I'm
on
the
straight
and
narrow
to
being
a
good
citizen
right
now.
H
Thank
you
for
the
question
tom
lawson
for
the
record.
The
current
laws
for
both
parole
and
probation
require
that
the
offender
upon
discharge
received
the
document
outlined
the
restoration
of
their
rights,
and
that
would
not
change
with
this
law.
The
only
thing
would
be
again
that
one
word
descriptor.
So
even
then,
yes,
beyond
that,
there
was
no
detailing
of
of
you.
Had
this
many
technical
violations
or
you
did
not
have
any
technical
violations
in
that
descriptor
was
just
you
have
been
discharged.
H
H
Demonstrate
that
well
publicly
you're
talking
about
somebody's
criminal
history
in
regards
so
you
know,
is
there
a
desire
for
the
offender
to
share
that
publicly?
H
Well,
if
we
list
all
the
bad
things
on
that
discharge,
that
might
be
biased
in
the
same
way
as
the
word
dishonorable
later
on,
when
they,
you
know
completed
the
term
successfully
at
the
end
they
didn't
get
revoked,
I
mean
that
that's
that's
a
success.
They
finished
their
their
term
of
supervision
and
have
reintegrated
into
the
community.
B
Thank
you
chair
for
the
question
allowing
me
to
ask
a
question
and-
and
thank
you
chief
lawson,
I
will
say
your
presentation
today
definitely
got
me
to
a
level
of
comfort
that
I
did
not
have
by
just
reading
the
bill
last
night.
So
I
I
appreciate
that
I
did
have
a
question
about
what
effect,
if
any,
this
would
have
on
people's
ability
to
seal
their
records
of
their
record.
H
Thank
sealed.
That's
a
good
point,
tom
austin
for
the
record,
just
thinking
off
top
of
my
head
here
of
the
the
record
seal
statutes.
It
doesn't
talk
about
whether
your
discharge
is
honorable
or
dishonorable.
H
The
the
qualifiers
for
record
seal
are
primarily
related
to
time
following
completion
of
your
term
of
incarceration
and
if
you
were
to
expire
in
prison
for
let's
say
or
following
your
your
term
of
supervision,
and
so
I
can't
think
of
any
any
impact
there,
and
likewise
the
statute
requires
that
all
interested
parties
I.e
the
division,
the
parole
board,
the
court.
So
it's
not
the
court,
but
the
the
district
attorney's
office
have
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
a
petition
for
for
sealing.
H
In
that
case,
you
know
the
the
facts
that
were
including
the
discharge
report
or
the
psi
could
be
the
basis
for
the
the
prosecutor
right
because
quite
likely,
the
prosecutor
who
prosecuted
the
case
may
not
be
the
one
who
is
solicited
for
comment
upon
record
seal
when
we're
looking
at
terms
of
you
know,
10
years
and
things
like
that,
following
the
offense,
so
the
the
documentation
for
their
compliance
with
supervision.
If
it
were
to
be
considered
for
those
responses
would
still
be
available,
given
the
change.
A
B
Thank
you
chair
for
recognizing
the
question
just
for
clarification
as
well,
so
the
dishonorable
status
before
you
said,
could
be
for
lack
of
payment,
and
could
it
be,
for
example,
for
poor
supervision.
They
weren't
following
the
supervision
not
enough
to
have
them
go
back
to
jail,
but
but
they
they
just
weren't
following
the
supervision
well,
and
there
was
lack
of
payment,
would
that
be
something
that
would
fall
under
the
category
of
dishonorable.
H
B
Yes,
so-
and
I
forgot
to
state
assemblywoman,
heidi
kasama
district
2
for
the
record
as
well,
so
help
me
understand
where
this
certificate
is
used,
so
the
certificate
is
issued
at
the
end
of
the
process.
The
disarmable
versus
honorable,
where,
where
is
that
used,
is
that?
Is
that
brought
up
if
the
person
is
arrested
again?
Where,
where
is
this
cert?
What
is
the
importance
of
this
certificate
and
how
does
it
help
that
person
when
it
was
dishonorable
versus
dishonorable.
H
Tom
austin
for
the
record:
no,
it
wouldn't
be
used
at
the
time
of
arrest.
H
I
I
wouldn't
consider
it
to
be
used
necessarily
at
the
time
of
a
prosecution
decision
or
even
that
piece
of
paper
at
sentencing
again,
the
facts
would
be
used
in
those
in
those
determinations
by
the
da's
offices
in
the
court
where
it
be
used
by
the
offender
would
be
in
terms
of
a
question
if
they
were
to
show
up
to
vote,
and
there
was
a
dispute
of
whether
they
were
eligible
because
of
their
criminal
history,
then
the
form
is
available
to
him.
To
show
now
here
here
is
my
discharge.
B
H
Tom
austin
for
the
record,
that
was
just
one
example.
The
discharge
document
that's
provided
to
the
offender
upon
completion
of
their
term
of
supervision
and
for
either
parole
or
probation,
must
include
by
statute
statement
explaining
their
restoration
of
their
rights,
and
the
right
to
vote
is
just
one
of
those
rights,
the
right
to
appear
as
a
as
a
jury,
member
in
civil
versus
criminal
cases,
those
are
defined
and
those
have
different
timelines
of
when
those
rights
are
restored.
So
the
voting
was
just
one
example.
B
H
Tom
austin
again
for
the
record
prior
to
the
79th
session,
there
was
a
distinction
between
the
restoration
of
life.
Excuse
me,
the
79th
and
80th
sessions
both
altered,
the
the
timelines
of
restoration
of
rights,
and
now,
following
the
80th
session,
the
restoration
of
rights
is
identical
for
both
the
honorable
and
dishonorable
discharged.
Now
and
that's
one
of
the
I
guess
driving
forces
behind
this
is
if
there
isn't
a
difference
between
the
offender
moving
forward
with
an
honorable
or
dishonorable,
then
is
that
one
word
distinction
necessary
going
forward.
B
Just
just
to
follow
up
on
the
friendly
amendment,
the
other
question
was:
I
see
that
you've
written
things
that
need
to
be
included
for
future
reference,
but
I
didn't
see
on
here
if
restitution
had
not
been
paid
had
been
followed
shouldn't
that
because
you're
st
you're
on
this
on
this
amendment,
you're
you're
talking
about
supervision
issues
recidivism
right.
So
so
the
person
is
getting
this
history.
The
court
is
getting
this
history,
but
I
don't
see
that
it's
being
summarized
whether
they've
fully
made
restitution
or
not.
H
Tom
austin
for
the
record,
I
I
don't
believe
that
would
that
restitution
amount
would
apply
to
the
friendly
amendment.
The
friendly
amendment
is
merely
making
a
conforming
change
to
the
data
that
the
division
is
required
to
provide
to
the
department
of
sentencing
policy
for
their
annual
report
to
the
sentencing
commission
on
certain
statistical
elements
of
parole,
probation
and
also
from
the
department
of
corrections.
H
And
so,
if
you
look
at
section
3
of
the
bill
as
written
right
now,
we
would
have
to
tell
the
sentencing
department
of
sentencing
policy
how
many
people
were
discharged
by
type
of
discharge,
and
so,
if
there's
only
one
type
of
discharge,
the
necessity
to
distinguish
that
in
the
report
goes
away.
And
so
that's
the
only
change
in
the
friendly
amendment
is
to
say.
If
we
were
to
remove
the
distinction
of
honorable
versus
dishonorable
for
both
parolees
and
probationers,
then
the
division
does
not
have
to
distinguish
honorable
versus
dishonorable.
H
In
this
annual
report
we
provide
to
the
sentencing
commission.
The
restitution
is
not
altered
under
the
exis.
The
statutes
were
seeking
to
amend
ie
176,
a
850
or
213
154,
the
respective
statutes
for
discharge
for
parolees
and
probationers.
Their
obligation
for
restitution
does
not
go
away.
In
fact,
we
work
closely
with
the
lcb
on
the
drafting
of
the
bill
to
ensure
that
there
wasn't.
It
was
very
clear
that
upon
discharge,
the
obligation
to
pay
restitution
continues,
and
it
says
specifically
the
statute
talks
about
how
it
becomes
a
civil
liability.
At
that
point,.
B
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman,
cecilia
gonzalez
assembly,
district
16..
I
was
curious
and
I
don't
know
if
I
missed
that
what
is
the?
What
is
the
overall
weight
of
this
one
word
descriptor
in
this
discharge
process,
because
you
previously
stated
that
you
know
if
someone
can't
pay
restitution,
it's
unfair
for
them
to
have
an
honorable
discharge,
and
so
I'm
just
curious.
What
is
the
actual
weight
that
these
words
have,
that
you
see
in
your
everyday
cases
and
or
like
what
is
the
real
need
for
this
to
change.
H
Thank
you,
tom
austin,
for
the
record
that
one
word
could
be
relied
upon.
I
guess
it's.
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
all
those
who
would
view
the
discharge,
in
one
view
or
the
other,
but
by
I
guess,
eliminating
the
opportunity
or
requiring
really
it's
asking
the
those
who
would
look
at
the
the
person's
criminal
history
for
future
decisions
to
to
delve
into
their
actual
supervision
history
and
not
rely
on
a
single,
descriptive
word
to
classify
that
entire
behavior.
H
To
have
that
opportunity
to
possibly
be
only
judged
on
that
initial
period
of
the
difficulty
in
adjusting
to
classify
the
overall
term
of
supervision
doesn't
accurately
represent
the
the
positives
that
that
individual
attained
throughout
their
term
of
supervision,
and
so
by
eliminating
that
and
requiring
you
to
look
at
the
overall
descriptor
or
the
overall
facts
of
their
supervision
case
and
then
make
a
determination
of
whether
they
did
a
good
job
overall
or
or
not
do
a
good
job
overall,
based
on
the
totality
of
the
circumstances.
H
H
H
Committees
was
some
related
to
some
impact
of
ab236,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we
expect
is
that
shorter
probation
terms,
early
discharges
and
some
of
those
other
things
are
going
to
speed
up
the
supervision
process
for
us
administratively,
and
I
guess
streamlining
that
process
in
terms
of
not
having
to
debate
the
facts
of
a
honorable
or
vicious
dishonorable
discharge
would
help
the
division
and
again
it's
not
that
we're
not
not
providing
the
factual
information
for
those
decision
makers
to
make
an
accurate
assessment
of
that.
A
And
I
think
assemblywoman
gonzalez,
you
asked
the
same
question
that
assembly
manipulator
and
assemblyman
o'neill
had,
as
far
as
I
know
so,
good
job
on
knocking
out
three
questions
there
with
yours.
Any
other
members
have
questions.
Just
give
me
a
show
of
hands.
If
you
have
one
okay,
I
don't
see
further
questions,
which
is
good
because
we
do
need
to
move
the
bill
along
so
chief
lawson
free
to
stay
on
the
line
and
make
some
concluding
remarks
at
the
end
of
the
hearing.
A
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is
go
to
testimony
in
support
and
committee
we're
going
to
try
to
figure
this
new
world
out.
I
know
I
have
at
least
maybe
one
or
two
on
video
who
are
going
to
support
and
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
try
to
keep
your
comments.
The
two
minutes,
given
that
we
have
a
floor
session
and
a
half
an
hour,
so
I'll
go
to
you
first,
mr
pirro,
if
you'd
like
to
provide
testimony
and
support.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
john
pirro,
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office.
We
are
in
support
of
this
and
thank
chief
lawson
for
bringing
this
bill
idea
to
us.
I
just
wanted
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
were
brought
about
assemblywoman
krasner,
that
situation
that
you
brought
up,
that
person
would
absolutely
probably
go
to
jail
or
prison
for
violating
their
terms
of
probation,
and
so
that
would
be
the
sentence
that
that
person
would
get.
G
The
change
in
this
word
removes
some
of
the
arbitrariness
of
the
criminal
justice
system,
and
that's
why
we
are
fully
in
support
of
this
legislation
and
assemblywoman
kasama.
You
had
brought
up
restitution
that
wouldn't
be
used
in
a
psi
or
any
other
way,
and
under
law
restitution
can
be
boiled
into
a
judgment
that
a
victim
can
then
collect
on
if
it
wasn't
fully
paid
during
the
time
of
supervision.
So
we
are
in
support
of
this
bill.
G
A
E
Yes,
please
kendra
birchie
kate,
I
don't
know
if
you've
even
just
felt
too
on
this
k-e-n-d-r-a
for
g-p-e-r-t-s-c-h-y
with
the
washer
county
public
defender's
office.
E
We
are
in
full
support
of
this
bill,
as
well
as
the
friendly
amendment
and
thank
chief
lawson
for
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
work
with
him
on
this
bill
in
order
to
ensure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
need
to
to
advance
what
we
did
this
last
legislative
session
or
this
committee
did
with
av-236
I'll
just
add
that
the
judgment
that
mr
pirro
mentioned
is
called
a
civil
confession
of
judgment.
That
is
done
all
the
time
in
order
to
ensure
that
victims
do
receive
their
restitution
and
that's
outside
of
the
criminal
case.
E
However,
if
someone
receives
a
dishonorable
discharge,
just
because
of
financial
inability
to
pay,
that
information
is
not
included
in
a
pre-sentence
investigation
report
and
that's
why
this
is
extremely
important
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
inequities
that
are
currently
in
our
justice
system
are
resolved.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
miss
burchie,
any
questions
for
miss
burchie
about
her
testimony
and
support.
Hey.
I
don't
see
questions.
We
don't
have
anybody
else
on
video
in
support,
but
we
may
have
callers
on
the
phone.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
bps
if
we
can
check
to
see
if
we
have
any
phone
calls
in
support
and
committee.
I
just
asked
you
to
be
a
little
bit
patient
because
there's
a
slight
delay
between
the
meeting
and
the
phone
line.
So
we
may
have
to
wait
a
little
bit
to
see
if
we
have
anyone
on
the
phone
so
bps.
F
F
B
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
go
ahead,
caller?
Okay,
so
my
name
is
nelda
wagan,
my
last
name
is
spelled
w-e-y
g-a-n-t,
I'm
with
family
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice
to
be
incarcerated.
I'm
here
to
talk
about
honorable
and
dishonorable
discharge
from
parole
and
probation.
In
my
experience
I
have
both
been
honorably
and
dishonorably
discharged.
Prior
to
my
dishonorable
discharge,
I
was
unable
to
pay
restitution
and
penalties
and
fines
due
to
my
financial
hardship.
B
B
I
was
required
to
pay
all
fees
and
and
restitution
and
was
told
that
if
even
if
I
got
a
traffic
ticket,
I
would
be
denied,
even
though
that
since
I
was
being
released
from
jail,
I
was
diagnosed
with
multiple
health
problems
and
multiple
mental
health
problems.
I
was
still
required
to
keep
a
job
and
to
be
able
to
pay
everything
before
I
was
able
to
be
submitted.
B
The
way
I
feel
from
going
from
being
dishonorably
discharged
to
being
honorably
discharged
is
that
it
made
a
huge,
a
big
huge,
like
gain
in
myself
worth
being
dishonorably
discharged
from
probation.
It
made
me
feel
like
a
lack
of
self-worth
and
being
honorably
discharged.
It
made
me
feel
like
I
was
more
self-worthy
than
I
was
before,
because
I
could
make
the
payments
now
and
I
couldn't
then
so
I'm
in
favor
of
the
8017-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time.
F
B
I
would
like
to
start
by
acknowledging
the
fact
that
ab-17
promotes
the
interest
of
justice
for
those
who,
very
unfortunately,
come
back
to
the
system.
As
mr
pirro
pointed
out
earlier.
You
know,
I
am
also
a
public
defender.
I
don't
want
my
clients
coming
back
into
the
system,
but
I
think
ab17
does
more
than
that.
B
I
think
it
incentivizes
not
coming
back
into
the
system
and
it
contains
benefits
to
all
nevadans,
including
victims
of
crimes.
So
I'm
going
to
focus
my
comments.
There
8017
rightly
acknowledges
that
parolees
and
probationers,
who
comply
with
substantive,
non-monetary
conditions,
should
not
be
penalized
for
poverty
trying
but
being
unable
to
find
a
job,
making
substantial
efforts
to
pay
restitution,
but
not
paying
in
full
inability
to
earn
enough
money
to
pay
all
fines
and
fees,
but
otherwise
complying
perfectly
with
substantive
conditions.
B
These
efforts
are
not
dishonorable.
They
are
symptomatic
of
poverty.
Persons
who
transition
from
incarceration
to
parole
from
incarceration
to
parole
or
probation
rarely
have
financial
resources,
and
even
when
they
do
it's
almost
never
enough
to
cover
human
needs.
Like
food,
housing
and
medical
care,
much
less
restitution
and
other
fines
and
fees
that
are
associated
with
community
supervision,
labeling
a
discharge
dishonorable,
exacerbates
these
challenges.
B
The
practical
reality
is
that
district
attorneys
and
judges
use
the
word
dishonorable
as
shorthand
in
judging
whether
a
criminal
records
stealing
petition
should
be
granted.
Excising.
Honorable
and
dishonorable
distinctions
from
the
law
as
ab-17
does,
will
transform
this
practical
reality
to
serve
the
interests
of
justice,
because
no
person
should
be
judged
on
a
single
word.
B
The
challenges
of
those
that
transition
from
community
supervision
will
be
eased,
and
you
know
we
may
even
see
recidivism
reduced
nacj's
only
request
is
that
ab17
that
this
committee
consider
amending
ab17
to
apply
the
presumption
in
favor
of
records
dealing
retroactively
to
all
probationers
who
have
been
dishonorably
discharged.
This
is
a
small
addition
to
an
already
excellent
piece
of
legislation
and
will
ensure
that
its
goals
are
fully
actualized
to
the
benefit
of
all
nevadans.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
public
for
your
testimony
and
support
eps.
Do
we
have
anyone
else's
support.
F
D
V-I-C-T-O-R-I-A-G-O-N-Z-A-L-E-Z-
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
department
of
sentencing
policy,
as
the
chief
said,
our
department
collects
data
from
agencies,
including
the
division
of
pearl
and
probation.
We
partner
with
the
division
on
a
regular
basis,
including
on
the
development
of
the
amendment
that
he
proposed
as
a
friendly
amendment,
or
he
introduces
a
friendly
amendment.
D
As
chief
lawson
said,
the
conforming
change
in
the
amendment
ensures
the
data
that
the
division
is
required
to
submit
to
our
agency
is
consistent
with
the
manner
in
which
the
division
supervises.
Therefore,
our
department
supports
ab17,
to
the
extent
that
these
the
impact
of
ab17
has
a
neutral
impact
and
assists
agencies
in
effectively
implementing
ab236.
Thank.
F
D
D
The
nevada
legislature
with
bills
originating
from
this
committee
passed
laws,
restoring
the
right
to
vote,
streamlining
record-sealing
processes
and
will
hopefully
continue
to
work
to
resolve
the
inequities
in
our
criminal
justice
system.
Ab17
does
just
that,
while
also
making
parole
probation's
job
much
easier.
So
it's
a
win
for
everyone.
D
I
want
to
thank
chief
lawson
for
putting
so
much
time
and
effort
into
this
bill.
We've
been
speaking
with
him
for
months
about
this
and
we're
very
excited
when
he
approached
us
about
this.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
state
agencies,
government
agencies
can
learn
from
his
leadership
and
bringing
people
to
the
table
for
collaboration.
D
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
forward
we're
strong
support
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
F
F
D
T-O-N-J-A-B-R-O-W-N
good
morning
this
is
tonya
brown
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent.
We
strongly
support
this
amendment,
a
friendly
amendment,
so
I'll
just
make
it
really
brief.
I
don't
know
if
I
missed
this
or
not,
but
I
know
that
over
the
years
some
of
the
inmates
coming
out
on
parole
wish
that
they
would
could
have
something
favorable
from
their
parole
officer
in
writing.
F
A
Thank
you
so
much
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
support
testimony
at
this
time.
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
for
opposition
testimony.
I
don't
believe
we
have
anybody
on
video
with
us
in
opposition
today,
but
I
suspect
we
may
have
one
or
more
callers
on
the
phone
so
bps.
If
you
could
cue
up
the
phone
callers
in
opposition,
I
would
appreciate
it.
F
F
D
Good
morning,
this
is
john
jones
j,
o
h,
n
j,
o
n
e
s,
on
behalf
of
the
clark
county
district
attorney's
office
and
the
nevada
district
attorney's
association.
I
want
to
thank
chairman
yanker
and
members
of
the
judiciary
committee
of
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
morning.
We
are
here
in
a
po
in
opposition
to
ab-17,
but
I
want
to
start
off
by
thanking
chief
lawson
and
major
o'rourke
for
meeting
with
the
da's
and
discussing
this
bill
with
us
as
da's.
D
We
have
two
major
concerns
with
this
bill
and
the
first
of
which
is
that
current
plea
negotiations
have
been
built
around
the
honorable
dishonorable
designation
in
clark
county.
You
will
regularly
see
a
negotiation
where
a
defendant
may
earn
a
reduction
in
the
charge
to
which
they
pled,
meaning
that
they
can
withdraw
their
plea
to
a
felony
and
plead
guilty
to
a
gross
misdemeanor
or
even
a
misdemeanor.
D
Our
second
concern
is
the
removal
of
a
layer
of
accountability
for
defendants
who
complete
community
super
supervision.
In
our
opinion,
the
designation
of
honorable
or
dishonorable
both
serves
as
an
incentive
for
those
currently
under
community
supervision
to
do
their
best,
and
it
also
serves
as
a
good
reference
point
for
the
justice
system.
Should
the
defendant
reoffend
in
the
future
and
request
probation
again
well,
as
chief
lawson
indicated,
the
courts
are
the
one
that
that
actually
issued
the
discharge.
In
virtually
all
cases,
they
follow
the
recommended
discharge
from
pmp.
D
We
have
become
aware,
through
the
process
of
communication,
with
chief
lawson
and
major
work,
that
there
are
some
inconsistencies
surrounding
implementation
of
these
discharges
as
applied
to
the
various
defendants.
We
are
committed
to
working
with
pmp
and
others
to
make
the
designation
more
accurate
without
creating
an
administrative
burden
on
an
already
strapped
agency.
D
B
F
A
F
F
A
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
neutral
testimony
and
chief
lawson.
I
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity,
if
you're
interested,
to
provide
concluding
remarks
on
assembly
bill
117.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
provide
those
now,
please
go
ahead.
H
Thank
you,
chairman
yeager
tom
austin,
for
the
record.
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
close
by
thanking
you
again
for
your
time
and
for
honoring
us
as
the
first
bill
that
you've
reviewed
this
legislative
session
and
if
there
are
any
questions
that
come
up,
my
contact
information
is
included
in
the
presentation.
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
speak
offline
or
to
reply
to
those
questions
in
writing.
Thank
you
again.
A
Thank
you
so
much
chief
lawson
and
before
I
close
this
bill
hearing
just
for
our
new
committee
members.
As
a
reminder,
it
isn't
our
standing
rules
in
the
assembly,
but
with
rare
exceptions,
we
will
not
take
action
on
a
bill
that
we
hear
without
a
minimum
of
24
hours
passing
for
members
to
be
able
to
digest
the
bill.
A
There
are,
of
course
times
at
the
end
of
session
where
that
may
become
impractical
and
and
the
rules
may
be
waived,
but
for
now
rest
assured
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
on
a
work
session
anytime,
real
soon.
So
what
I
would
encourage
members
to
do
you
know
sometimes
after
the
hearing
you
review
the
bill
and
you
have
additional
questions
reach
out
to
chief
lawson
reached
out
to
the
supporters
of
the
bill.
A
The
opposition
of
the
bill
make
sure
you
get
your
questions
answered
and
if
we
do
have
a
chance
to
process
this
bill,
you
will
get
ample
notice
that
the
bill
is
going
to
be
processed
in
committee.
That
will
normally
happen
on
fridays,
not
always,
but
normally
we
reserve
fridays
for
work
sessions.
So
with
that
being
said,
thank
you.
Members
for
a
successful
first
bill
hearing
and
I'll
now,
formally
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
17.
A
that
takes
us
to
our
last
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
public
comment
as
usual.
We'll
take
up
to
30
minutes
of
public
comment.
Speakers
calling
in
will
have
up
to
two
minutes
to
provide
public
comment.
Vps.
Could
we
go
to
the
public
comment
line
and
let
me
know
if
there's
anybody
there
who
wants
to
provide
public
comment.
F
F
F
D
T-O-N-J-A-B-R-O-W-N
tanya
brown
advocates
for
the
inmates
good
morning.
I'd
like
to
say
you
know,
due
to
the
coveted
situation
we
are
now
in
things
have
dramatically
changed
such
as
the
way
we
testify
before
you
I'd
like
to
apologize
for
yesterday,
when
my
dogs
decided
it
was
time
to
play
due
to
my
recent
knee
surgery,
I
was
unable
to
control
them
and
it
will
probably
happen
in
the
future.
So
I
want
to
apologize
up
front
to
you.
D
I
became
an
advocate
because
my
brother
was
wrongfully
convicted
of
a
crime
he
did
not
commit.
He
spent
21
years
incarcerated
and
just
prior
to
his
death
in
2009,
the
honorable
judge,
brent
adams
ordered
the
washoe
county
district
attorney
dick
gammick
to
turn
over
the
entire
file.
In
a
case
when
the
file
was
turned
over,
the
handwritten
notes
of
the
prosecuting
attorney
showed
that
he
had
defied
a
1988
court
order
to
turn
over
all
the
exclupatory
evidence
and
materiality
evidence
favorable
to
the
to
the
defendant
in
the
file.
There
were
over
200
documents.
D
Those
documents
consisted
of
exculpatory
materiality
evidence,
a
state's
witness
who
had
a
motive
and
reason
for
their
testimony
was
financial
gain.
The
witness
also
had
problems
identifying
the
defendant's
voice
from
another
person.
However,
the
courts
continue
to
refer
to
this
state's
witness
as
credible
yesterday.
I
briefly
spoke
about
the
sworn
affidavit
under
penalty
of
perjury,
consisting
of
approximately
75
pages.
D
D
Okay,
so
I
will
just
let
you
know
that
I
will
just
let
you
know
that
I
have
never
been
arrested
for
filing
a
false,
complete,
false
complaint.
I've
never
been
sued
by
anyone
named
in
the
affidavit,
nor
has
anyone
sued
the
author
of
our
non-fiction
book
to
prove
his
innocence.
D
So
I
would
like
you
to
keep
that
in
mind.
When
you
read
the
affidavit,
the
evidence
does
support
it.
There
is
documentation
and
it
is
very
telling
on
the
way
the
judicial
system
works.
Thank
you
and
have
a
good
day.
Bye-Bye.
F
A
Thank
you,
so
much
bps
appreciate
all
you're
doing
to
make
these
connections
by
phone
in
this
virtual
world.
So
thank
you
for
helping
us
through
through
the
hearing
today
and
for
navigating
that
for
us
committee
members
we're
gonna,
close
public
comment.
Let
me
get
to
my
gallery
view
here
anything
else
from
members
of
the
committee.
Before
we
close
today's
meeting.
A
A
Good
news
is
tomorrow
we
aren't
starting
until
nine
o'clock,
so
you'll
have
the
choice
of
whether
to
use
that
extra
hour
to
catch
up
on
sleep
or
catch
up
on
work
or
a
little
bit
of
both
but
we'll
be
here
at
9
00
a.m.
We'll
hear
a
presentation
on
juvenile
justice
and
then
we're
going
to
hear
our
second
bill.
Tomorrow
friday,
we
have
a
pretty
packed
agenda
as
well
with
the
presentation
and
two
bills,
so
we'll
take
those
as
we
get
them.