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C
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F
Here
we
do
have
a
quorum,
please
mark
assemblywoman
hanson
as
absent
excuse
this
morning
and
please
mark
assemblywoman
krasner
as
absent
for
the
moment.
I'm
sure
she'll
be
joining
us
soon
and
then
I'll
try
to
remember
to
mark
her
as
present
good
morning,
members
of
the
committee
good
morning
to
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
on
the
zoom
excuse
me
who
may
be
watching
on
the
internet
or
on
the
legislature's
website,
welcome
to
day
43
of
the
81st
session
of
the
nevada
legislature.
F
F
Members,
if
you
could
please
remember
to
mute
yourself
when
you're,
not
speaking,
and
that
also
includes
guests
who
are
joining
us
on
the
zoom
that'll
help
with
the
audio
feedback
that
we
sometimes
get
on
the
meeting
for
presenters
on
the
zoom
and
for
any
presenters
of
the
bills.
Today,
if
you
could
remember
to
state
your
name
each
time
before
you
speak,
particularly
when
you
are
answering
a
question
that
will
help
our
committee,
secretaries
have
accurate
minutes.
F
We
do
expect
courtesy
and
respect
in
our
interactions
with
one
another.
We
don't
always
agree
on
policy.
That
is
perfectly
okay,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
being
respectful
of
one
another,
the
legislative
institution
and
the
staff.
And
finally,
many
members
are
using
multiple
devices
and
screens
to
access
access
this
meeting,
so
please
don't
see
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
or
inattention.
F
If
folks
appear
to
be
looking
away
during
the
meeting
with
those
housekeeping
matters
behind
us
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
agenda
members,
as
you
can
see,
we
just
have
one
bill
on
the
agenda
today.
At
this
time,
I'm
going
to
open
the
bill
on
assembly.
Excuse
me
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
241
assembly
bill
241,
establishes
provisions
governing
credits
on
terms
of
imprisonment
during
certain
declarations
of
emergency.
We
have
our
own
assemblywoman
gonzalez
to
present
the
bill,
and
I
think
she
has
two
or
three
other
presenters
with
her
on
zoom
this
morning.
F
G
G
G
As
of
march
13th,
2021
statistics
show
that
nevada's
department
of
corrections,
otherwise
referred
to
as
ndoc
facilities
reported
5
460
cases
and
56
deaths
due
to
covet
19.
for
the
committee's
reference.
This
information
from
the
nevada's
department
of
health
and
human
services
is
posted
on
nellis
of
those
cases
nearly
1
000
involved
ndoc
employees,
53
inmates
and
three
ndoc
employees
have
died
due
to
covet
19.
G
behind
correctional
walls.
Social
distancing
is
not
an
option.
These
conditions
present
grave
dangers
to
both
inmates
and
the
staff
who
work
in
the
facilities
because
of
the
severity
of
covet
19
in
our
correctional
facilities,
programs
and
classes
and
other
valuable
resources
for
offenders
have
been
suspended.
G
It
gives
back
good
time
credits
to
offenders
who
have
earned
it
through
good
behavior
educational
attainment
or
the
successful
completion
of
treatment
programs.
Therefore,
by
reducing
their
sentences
and
the
overall
inmate
population
at
this
time,
chair
yeager,
I
will
turn
over
the
presentation
to
ms
welborn
to
go
over
through
the
specifics
of
the
bill.
Thank
you.
F
H
H
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
because
I
think
that
the
families
that
we
have
here
to
present
today
really
give
color
to
the
issue
that
we
are
discussing,
and
I
think
that
once
we
go
through
this
bill,
you'll
understand
that
what
we're
asking
for
is
something
quite
simple:
we're
asking
to
simply
give
people
back
the
time
that
they
have
not
been
able
to
accrue
because
programming
has
been
stalled
due
to
the
covet
19
pandemic.
H
H
Incarcerated
people
are
housed
in
close
quarters,
older
adults
and
people
of
any
age
with
serious
chronic
medical
conditions
such
as
heart,
disease,
lung
disease
or
diabetes,
or
who
are
otherwise
immunocompromised,
are
at
higher
risk
for
becoming
severely
ill
from
covid19
and
that
risk
substantially
increases
in
the
prison
setting.
We
pushed
very
hard
for
decarceration
at
the
outset
of
this,
and
unfortunately
those
efforts
were
were
not
fruitful.
H
Assemblywoman
gonzalez
described
the
death
rate
to
you,
but
I
want
to
add
to
that
that
we
are
that
only
three
other
states
that
includes
michigan
kentucky
new
mexico
have
reported
a
higher
per
capita
capital
rate
of
prison
deaths
than
nevada.
We
have
to
take
pause
and
ask
ourselves
what
we
can
do
as
a
state
to
correct
this.
H
The
state's
decision
to
isolate
rather
than
incarcerate
ended
all
prison
programming
and,
as
a
result,
folks
lost
their
sentence
credits
that
families
were
depending
on
so,
let's
quickly
go
through
the
bill
and
section
1.1
lines
one
through
six.
This
is
a
standard
language
requiring
that
incarcerated
persons,
be
in
good
standing
without
any
serious
infractions
on
their
record.
In
order
for
this
credit
to
apply
lines,
seven
through
nine
provide
that
incarcerated
people
may
only
acquire
credits.
The
bill
seeks
to
create
during
a
public
health
crisis
lines
10
through
11
describe
the
existing
sentence.
Credit
statutes.
H
I
want
to
note
that
currently
we're
not
looking
at
the
top
of
those
statutes,
which
you
know
some
of
these
are
known
as
ab510
credits
or
other
statutorily
mandated
deductions
for
each
year
of
incarceration,
we're
looking
further
down
in
the
statutes
at
educational,
vocational,
rehabilitative
programming
that
individuals
are
currently
missing
so
currently
in
the
department
of
corrections.
People
are
still
accruing
their
time
for
each
year
of
incarceration,
but
they
are
not
accruing
their
time
for
the
programming
that
they
could
otherwise
be
engaging
in
lines.
H
11
through
14
provide
that
when
such
programming
is
unavailable,
each
incarcerated
person
person
who
is
eligible
for
programming
under
the
statute
will
accrue
five
days
of
good
time
credit
per
month,
not
to
exceed
60
days
per
year.
I
want
to
explain
how
we
arrived
at
this
number
that
this
the
five
days
under
administrative
regulation.
H
Anyone
who
is
eligible
for
a
program
automatically
accrues
five
days
per
month
up
to
60
days
per
year,
and
then
you
have
folks
who
are
currently
enrolled
in
programs
who
can
earn
upwards
of
10
days
per
month.
So
you
know
in
conversations
with
families,
we've
really
scaled
this
back
to
create
and
provide
to
you
something
reasonable
that
can
provide
some
predictability
in
sentencing
for
families
and
once
you
hear
those
presentations
you'll
understand
why
this
is
so
important.
H
Finally,
sections
1.2
simply
states
that
the
credits
apply
to
eligibility
for
parole
and
must
be
deducted
from
the
maximum
term
of
imprisonment,
which
is
pretty
standard,
and
finally,
it
provides
that
this
bill
is
retroactive
and
effective.
Upon
passage
so
now
I
will
pass
it
over
to
ms
hawking,
if
that's
okay
with
you,
chairman
yeager,
but
if
I
could
also
answer
questions
now
or
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
I
I
Good
morning,
I
just
wanted
to
first
thank
all
of
you
for
hearing
this
bill
and
to
assemblywoman
gonzalez
for
bringing
the
bill
to
the
table.
It's
actually
very
important
for
incarcerated
people
and
for
families
too.
First,
I
want
to
address
a
few
misconceptions
that.
I
First,
I
wanted
to
address
a
few
misconceptions
about
this
bill
about
things
that
it
doesn't
do,
because
there
seem
to
be
a
lot
of
those.
This
bill
does
not
release
incarcerated
people
earlier
than
they
ever
could
have
been
released.
This
bill
does
not
adjust
sentences
or
impact
the
sentences
that
they
were
initially
given
by
the
courts.
I
I
Second
acknowledge
acknowledges
that
our
world
may
never
be
the
same,
and
it
gives
future
protection
from
public
health
emergencies.
Should
this
ever
happen
again,
I
just
want
to
explain
when
nevada
applies
sentences,
it's
with
the
assumption
that
people
will
have
the
opportunity
to
work
or
program
when
they
enter
the
prison
they're.
I
Given
those
days
upfront
kind
of
a
best
case
scenario
for
when
they
could
exp
anticipate
to
expire,
their
sentence,
then,
if
they
have
disciplinary
issues
or
other
negative
behaviors,
those
days
are
taken
away,
which
means
they
expire
their
sentence
later
than
they
initially
thought
they
would.
They
stay
in
prison
longer,
it's
honestly
a
little
bit
of
a
confusing
process,
because
people's
dates
can
always
be
moving
either
forward
or
earlier
or
back
and
be
later
incarcerated.
I
I
I
want
to
share
a
little
piece
of
a
document
that
a
member
sent
us
that
was
provided
by,
or
that
was
written
by
associate
warren
gabriella
naher
at
florence,
mcclure
women's
correctional
center
regarding
the
loss
of
programming
credits.
Give
me
just
one
second,
I
have
too
many
screens
open,
and
now
I
can't
find
it.
I
I
Many
inmates
have
been
unable
to
work
at
no
fault
of
their
own,
but
the
nevada
department
of
corrections
cannot
issue
work
credits
when
the
inmate
did
not
actually
earn
them.
I
understand
that
not
earning
work
credits
is
affecting
inmates
release
dates,
but
at
this
time
the
nevada
department
of
corrections
wants
to
do
everything
we
can
to
keep
inmates
and
staff
safe.
Once
the
kova
19
restrictions
in
the
state
of
nevada
are
lowered,
we
can
result
normal
up
or
we
can
resume
normal
operations.
I
I
So
here
we
are
we're
not
asking
for
anything
extra.
I'm
not
gonna
lie.
If
I
could
come
in
here
and
say
that
the
torture
that
people
endured,
they
deserve
much
more
than
the
five
days
that
they
should
have
got
and
let's
give
them
all
a
year
credit.
I
would
absolutely
do
it,
but
all
we're
really
asking
for
is
what
they
were
supposed
to
get
in
the
first
place.
F
F
J
Thank
you
for
having
me
here.
My
name
is
jan
salve.
J
J-A-N-S-A-L-V-A-Y-
and
I
want
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
listening
to
us
today.
It
may
seem
small
to
you
five
days
a
month
60
days
a
year,
but
in
prison,
especially
during
a
coveted
outbreak.
J
He
was
supposed
to
get
out
in
october
of
2020
because
of
covet
and
the
lack
of
programming
days,
educational
opportunities
and
jobs.
They
started
adding
five
days
a
month
to
his
release
date
in
11
months.
This
added
an
additional
55
days.
He
was
supposed
to
be
out
in
time
to
vote.
He
was
supposed
to
be
out
in
time
for
his
dad's
birthday,
my
birthday,
his
grandfather's,
then
he
was
supposed
to
be
out
for
christmas.
J
Nick
was
denied
treatment
for
hepatitis
c
in
june
of
2020
because
they
said
he'd
be
out
too
soon
to
qualify.
He
told
me
several
inmates
were
given
the
same
bad
news.
They
would
all
be
out
too
soon
to
qualify
for
the
medical
treatment.
He
was
despondent.
He
was
outraged
and
heartbroken,
not
just
for
himself.
J
He
said
several
men
were
given
similar
excuses
by
the
time
he
was
released.
His
disease
had
reached
levels
described
by
his
physician
as
very,
very
bad.
The
system
filled
my
nephew
people
in
charge
of
his
care.
Let
him
down
and
every
attempt
at
communication
was
thwarted
and
it
was
impossible
to
get
any
support
or
useful
information
only
excuses
and
the
runaround.
J
J
Our
only
option
was
to
wait
and
hope
for
the
best
their
hands
were
tied
by
the
time
he
was
released
and
by
the
time
we
could
get
him
medical
care.
He
didn't
make
it
I'm
here
with
the
hope
that
you
will
find
a
way
to
help
others
in
the
same
situation,
his
friends,
his
brothers
and
sisters,
who
deserve
to
be
treated
as
human
beings.
Their
sentences
are
being
lengthened
through
no
fault
of
their
own.
J
It's
time
to
correct
the
injustice
that
too
many
nevadans
have
endured
by
a
system
where
the
punishment
does
not
fit
the
crime.
I'm
here
to
remind
you
that
ab241
isn't
about
telling
crim
letting
criminals
out
early.
It
isn't
about
giving
them
a
gift
of
time.
It's
about
creating
a
piece
of
justice
by
giving
them
what
they
would
have
been
able
to
earn.
If
we
were
not
in
a
pandemic.
J
Every
every
person
in
this
country
has
had
to
face
struggles,
but
we
can
zoom.
We
get
stimulus
checks,
we
get
a
whole
virtual
system,
incarcerated
people
lost
the
opportunity
to
earn
their
programming
days
and
now
staying
past
release
dates
and
in
our
family.
That
cost
us
dearly.
J
Thank
you
for
your
time
and-
and
I
hope
you
will
support
ab241,
because
ultimately
it
is
the
moral
and
just
thing
to
do
for
incarcerated
human
beings,
and
I
know
that
my
nephew
would
hope
that
for
all
his
his
people,
that
you
know
he
grew
to
love
and
cared
for
and
anyway
I
thank
you
so
much
for
listening
to
my
testimony.
F
Thank
you
for
your
testimony,
miss
salve
and
certainly
sorry
for
your
loss,
but
before
we
move
on,
I
want
to
note
for
the
record
that
assemblywoman
krasner
has
joined
us.
So,
madam
secretary,
could
you
please
mark
her
present
and
let's
move
on
to
testimony
from
miss
o'neill?
If
you
would
like
to
unmute
yourself
and
go
ahead,
please
proceed.
K
L
K
Is
to
be
passed,
I
have
heard
that
there
are
some
legislators
that
have
the
impression
that
this
bill
is
releasing
criminals
before
they
have
served
their
time,
but
in
reality
it
does
a
few
things.
It
gives
people
who
have
been
incarcerated
during
a
pandemic
credit
towards
their
sentences
for
time
they
should
have
been
able
to
earn,
but
couldn't
because
just
like
out
here,
everything
shut
down
in
there
too.
The
difference
has
been
that
out
there
protections
were
put
in
place
for
people
so
that
they
could
adjust
and
survive
during
the
pandemic.
K
Incarcerated
people
didn't
have
that
benefit.
We
don't
have
time
to
go
into
all
the
dehumanizing
conditions
that
our
loved
ones
were
forced
to
endure
during
the
pandemic,
but
trust
me
losing
their
programming
days
has
only
been
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
I
would
like
to
paint
you
a
picture
of
how
the
loss
of
those
days
are
impacting
my
family.
My
son,
because
of
those
dates,
could
literally
turn
into
a
death
sentence
for
him.
My
son
has
a
blood
platelet
disorder
called
itp.
K
His
auto
immune
system
attacks,
blood
platelets
and
his
blood
doesn't
clot.
He
needs
routine
blood
tests
to
check
the
levels
of
his
blood
plate
levels
and
medicine
that
costs
6
500
to
8
000
dollars
per
month,
and
the
state
has
yet
to
provide
for
him.
They
are
not
in
any
position
to
manage
the
severe
medical
issues
that
he
has
in
the
last
45
days.
My
son
has
been
taken
to
the
hospital
twice
due
to
low
platelets
on
january
30,
2021
nine
days
after
a
blood
test
was
finally
taken.
K
My
son
was
woken
up
by
correction
officers
at
2am,
informing
him
that
an
ambulance
was
on
the
way
to
take
him
to
the
hospital
as
a
lab
called
with
his
blood
test
results
and
his
blood
plate
level
was
14..
A
healthy
person's
platelets
are
usually
over
140
000.
By
the
time
he
got
to
the
hospital.
Another
blood
test
was
taken
and
his
blood
platelets
level
was
at
10..
My
son
was
told
by
his
doctor
that
if
he
was
brought
in
a
day
later,
he
could
have
died.
K
He
received
blood
platelet
transfusions,
as
well
as
regular
blood
transfusions,
and
he
stayed
several
days
in
the
hospital
upon
discharge.
His
blood
plate
level
was
285
and
that
is
high
for
him
and
his
doctor
said
he
must
be
given
his
medication
daily
and
in
the
event
he
doesn't
receive
the
medication
he
used
to
be
brought
into
the
office
quickly
for
an
injection
of
medication.
K
When
he
returned
to
high
desert
state
prison,
he
saw
the
doctor
there
and
my
son
was
told
basically
his
medication
wouldn't
be
approved,
but
he
would
be
put
in
an
authorization
for
it.
My
son
spent
one
night
in
the
infirmary
and
the
next
morning
on
february
5th
2021.
Instead
of
going
back
to
his
unit,
he
was
transferred
to
southern
desert
regional
center.
My
son
never
received
the
medication
nor
was
taken
to
the
his
doctor's
office.
On
march
1st,
he
was
given
a
blood
test
to
check
his
plate
level.
K
Then,
on
march
4th,
once
again,
an
ambulance
was
called
to
take
him
to
the
hospital,
as
the
lab
called
and
his
results
were
showed.
His
plateless
word
now
down
to
24..
Once
again,
he
was
given
blood
lately
transfusions
and
at
this
time,
when
he
was
released
from
the
hospital
on
march
7th,
his
plate
level
is
only
at
100..
K
He
was
told
it
is
imperative.
He
takes
his
medication
daily,
he
was
released
from
the
hospital
and
he
returned
to
the
infirmary
at
high
desert
state
prison
and,
as
of
today,
he's
still
there
and
not
receiving
the
medication.
I
was
told
last
friday
by
a
nurse
there.
His
medication
is
a
non-formulated
medication
and
it
needs
to
be
requested
by
the
provider
at
high
desert
state
prison
and
the
provider
has
called
in
the
last
couple
days.
The
nurse
had
said
my
son
would
be
seen
today
by
the
provider
there.
Why?
K
I'm
telling
you
all
this
simply
because
during
all
of
this,
his
expiration
date
has
continued
to
move
away
from
him.
Originally,
he
should
have
been
going
to
the
mandatory
bull
in
january
of
2021,
and
now
it
is
scheduled
for
april
next
month,
which,
if
approved,
he
would
be
getting
ready
to
come
home.
But
the
combination
of
factors,
including
the
loss
of
programming
days
through
no
falls
of
his
own,
have
extended
his
time.
K
In
prison
by
at
least
two
months,
nevada
department
of
corrections
says
they
do
not
have
the
power
or
authority
to
do
anything
about
it,
which
I
understand
is
true.
We
have
played
with
the
governor's
office
for
executive
order
to
give
him
the
programming
days
back
and
in
our
case
for
compassion
and
release.
We
don't
even
get
a
response
from
them.
Director
daniels
said
once,
if
you
want
something
done,
take
it
to
the
people
who
have
the
power
to
do
something.
K
F
M
Let
me
give
you
a
hypothetical
I
unders,
I
think
I
understand
the
bill's
intent,
but
it
deals
with
inmates
who
are
already
enrolled
in
programs
and
that's
correct
how
about
if
I'm
in
not
enrolled
in
a
program,
the
emergency
is
declared
the
program
whatever
it
may
be.
The
high
school
college
whatever
is
shut
down,
and
I
go
oh
wait
a
minute.
I
want
to
join
that
program,
but
I
can't
do
I
get
my
five
days.
H
Chair
yeager
through
you
to
assemblyman
o'neill,
this
is
holly
welborn
policy
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
That
is
an
excellent
question
and
the
answer
is
yes,
and
that
is
because,
under
current
administrative
regulation,
two
things
happen.
So
first,
if
a
person
is
eligible
for
a
program,
there
is
sort
of
an
assumption
that
that
person
will
eventually
make
their
way
to.
H
You
know
whether
it's
a
ged
program,
whether
it's
you
know
a
vocational
program,
so
they'll
start
occur
accruing
approximately
five
days
per
month
under
that
regulation
and
then
individuals
who
are
enrolled
in
the
program
through
that
same
administrative
regulation,
they
accrue
approximately
10
days
per
month.
H
I
think
that
that
I
mean
people
who
would
decline
to
my
understanding
and
miss
hawking
might
know
more
from
her
experience
and
the
vast
number
of
folks
that
she
works
with.
She
excuse
me
holly
well-born,
aclu
of
nevada,
for
the
record.
She
might
be
able
to
to
help
answer
this
question,
but
those
individuals
who
even
declined
it's
my
understanding
that
they
still
accrue
that
time.
M
Who
decline
they
get
time?
I
apologize,
maybe
be
best
if
somebody
from
doc
was
available
or
illegal,
they
get
if
they
decline
to
join
a
program.
You
still
get
five-day
service
time.
H
M
I
appreciate
that
I
have
trouble
with.
I
can
understand,
extending
the
five
days
when
the
program
shut
down
to
those
already
enrolled,
but
I
do
have
difficulty
giving
it
to
those
that
had
declined
it
until
they
didn't
have
to
do
anything
and
then
wanting
to
enroll.
So
I
do
appreciate
it
and
we'll
see
what
we
can
get
clarification
either
from
doc
or
legal
one.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
the
time.
F
Thank
you
and
if
everyone
could,
please
remember
to
state
their
name,
that
was
an
exchange
between
miss
welborn
and
obviously
we
know
assemblyman
o'neil's
voice,
but
for
our
committee
secretary
that
was
miss
welborn.
I
don't
know
if
we
we
don't
have
legal
with
us,
because
he
is
busy
drafting
bills
that
we
are
waiting
to
introduce
today.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
ndoc
joining
us,
but
I
wanted
to
go
to
vice
chair
wynn
to
address
that
question,
because
I
think
she
knows
the
answer
to
it.
D
I
I
was
going
to
ask
a
question.
I
think
it
might
clarify
assemblyman
o'neill's
like
concern
or
clarify
what
his
questions
are
so
the
inmates
they
all
received.
The
credit
up
front.
I
believe
assemblywoman
gonzales
in
our
presentation
or
ms
welborn
had
indicated
that
they
are
given
that
credit
up
front.
It
is
calculated
and
then,
if
they
are
not
participating
in
programming
or
they
are
not
behaving
appropriately,
then
they
lose
that
credit,
the
people
that
are
in
there
now
that
are
incarcerated.
D
D
209.443,
this
isn't
even
addressed
in
this
bill.
I
think
this
bill
is
fairly
modest
and
conservative
in
the
way
that
it's
calculating
the
credit-
and
I
think,
that's
probably
a
fair
assumption.
D
If
you're
able
to
do
that.
Additionally,
there
is
credit
that
the
the
prison
has
in
regulations
for
those
who
are
incarcerated,
who
give
blood
or
plasma
so
any
of
those
programming,
educational
programming
or
blood
programming
or
any
of
work
programs,
or
any
of
those
things
that
they
might
not
be
eligible.
In
addition
to
that
five
days,
a
month
that
they're
getting
for
a
good
time,
credit
off
of
their
sentence,
they're
still
not
eligible
to
get
those
credits
so
and
this
bill
doesn't
even
go
that
far.
D
F
Thank
you
vice
chair.
I
appreciate
that
I
feel
like
I
should
just
step
aside
and
let
you
run
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you
for
the
expertise.
I
think
that's.
I
think
that's
really
helpful
to
know
how
how
the
calculations
work
that
you
get
it
at
the
beginning
and
then
essentially
gets
added
back
on.
If
you
don't
do
the
programming,
so
I
think
that's
the
conundrum
we
find
ourselves
in
when
there's
no
programming
to
be
had
I'm
going
to
go
next
to
assemblywoman
cohen,
for
a
question.
M
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
My
question
is
on
these
programs
that
these
programs
are
good
for
the
inmates
and
and
good
to
get
them
on
their
way
back.
Adjusting
back
into
a
society
are
all
of
these
programs
things
that
they
can
participate
on
once
they've
been
released.
If,
if
we
were
to
pass
this
so
like
the
ged
programs,
the
drug
treatment
is
there
anything
else
that
they
they
possibly
couldn't
do
once
they've
been
released.
I
These
are,
I'm
not
sure
who
you
are
directing.
The
question
to
this
is
jody
hawking
from
return
strong,
these
programming
credits
are
a
general
programming.
Credit
like
vice
chair
wynn,
was
saying
this
isn't
like
specific,
like
training
specific.
They
can
earn
these
credits
for
being
a
porter
and
cleaning
tables
in
their
unit.
They
can
earn
these
credits
from
from
participating
in
community
in
any
way
really
right.
They
don't
earn
the
credit
they
get
the
credits,
but
because
all
of
porter
jobs
were
shut
down.
I
High
school
diploma
programs
were
shut
down
and
vice
chairwin
is
right,
like
we
didn't
really
go
into
that
other
level
of
credits
which
you're
going
to
hear
letters
from
families
that
do
address
that
issue.
These
wouldn't
be
necessarily
job-specific
type
skills
that
they
were
learning.
Those
would
be
more
on
like
pi
level,
and
some
of
those
things
remained.
Those
were
the
like.
The
10
credits
that
holly
talked
about
some
of
those
10
credits
fell
into
that.
I
They
get
it
at
the
beginning
of
their
sentence
and
as
long
as
they're,
not
refusing
you
know,
they're,
not
in
dc
they're,
not
in
disciplinary
segregation,
they're,
not
getting
sanctions
and
they're
not
refusing
to
cooperate
and
have
those
type
of
problems
they
automatically
get
those
so
or
they
automatically
keep
them.
I
should
say,
but
during
the
pandemic
for
some
reason,
they
looked
at
it
as
if
they
weren't
being
earned
and
if
they
weren't
being
earned,
then
they
weren't
letting
them
have
them
and
they
were
deducting
them
from
their
sentence.
I
I
I
M
So,
thank
you
miss
hawking,
so,
but
if
there
were,
if
there
are
programs
that
they're
that
they're
not
getting
upon
release
because
of
the
pandemic,
those
are
all
things
like:
ged
and
n
a
and
things
like
that
that
they
can,
they
can
do
once
they've
been
released,
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
chair,
and-
and
thank
you
vice
chair
for
for
that
explanation,
but
because
of
that
I
do
have
a
question
that
I
didn't
have
before.
In
section,
one
sub
two
b,
it
says
must
be,
must
be
deducted
from
the
maximum
turn
or
the
maximum
aggregated
turn
imposed
by
the
sentence.
M
D
D
D
So,
for
example,
you
would
be
given
a
sentence
of
two
to
five
years,
and
so
when
they
talk
about
credit,
credit
is
attributed
to
the
front
end
of
the
sentence
and
possibly
the
back
end
of
the
sentence.
So
it's
my
understanding
that
the
credits
earned
percentage.
D
This
section
part
a
applies
to
the
detected
from
the
minimum
or
the
maximum,
depending
on
how
it's
applicable
so
currently,
right
now,
if
you've
committed
a
category
b
robbery
with
use
of
a
deadly
weapon-
and
you
received
a
three
to
seven
year
sentence,
you
would
not
be
allowed
this
good
time.
Credit
off
of
that
front.
End
of
your
sentence
under
irony
scenario.
It
would
only
be
deducted
from
the
back
end
of
your
sentence
if
that
makes
any
sense,
so
a
lot
of
times
people
are
like,
oh
they
they
were
sentenced
to
five
years.
D
We
don't
have
that
kind
of
sentencing
structure.
We
have
a
range,
and
so
only
currently
like
low
low
level.
Non-Violent
felonies,
you
receive
good
time,
credit
off
the
front
and
the
back
end
of
your
sentence,
and
so
what
this
just
says
is
that
it
must
be
deducted
from
the
back
end,
which
is
how
it
currently
exists
in
statute,
and
it
would
only
apply
to
the
front
end
for
those
limited
crimes
where
it
exists
in
law
that
you
receive
that
good
time
credit.
D
F
M
So
my
question
is,
I
was
just
wondering,
so
this
is
for
a
declaration
of
emergency.
You
know
such
as
we're
in
right
now.
So
let's
say
these
programs
at
some
point
hopefully
are
reinstated.
They
can
access
them
and
such
would
this
then
end
or
like
I
don't
see
how
this
ends.
Is
it
once
the
declaration's
over
or
is
it
once
the
programs
come
back?
H
H
For
all
of
that,
previous
credit
that
we've
lost
that
individuals
have
lost
since
march,
leading
up
until
today
and
as
long
as
individuals
are
not
allowed
to
engage
in
programming.
M
H
Holly
well-born
policy
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
you
know,
given
the
fact
that
it's
you
know
a
five-day
time
period.
I
don't
think
that
there
is
a
particular
provision
in
the
bill
that
says
that
you
know
once
programming
resumes,
even
if
we're
still
in
the
midst
of
an
emergency
declaration
that
that,
once
you
know,
a
person
starts
engaging
in
programming
again
that
they're
not
eligible
for
this
five
credits
per
month.
H
But
I
think
we
also
need
to
understand
from
the
department
of
corrections
how
long
they
intend
to
stall
programming.
We
need
to
understand
whether
or
not
you
know
as
restrictions
are
lifting.
Are
they
going
to
start?
You
know
slowly
increasing
programming
with
inside
the
ndoc,
so
hopefully
someone
from
the
department
of
corrections
can
be
here
to
provide
some.
You
know
an
answer
to
that
question.
F
N
Hey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
realize
legal
isn't
here
so
I'll
have
to
probably
speak
to
legal
offline,
but
this
must
be
my
old
man
density
showing
up
here.
I'm
not
reading
any
of
this
in
the
plain
language
of
the
bill.
I
understand
that
the
intent
here
is
to
replace
credits
that
they
cannot
get.
You
know
during
a
state
of
emergency.
You
know
I
get
that,
but,
as
I
read
the
bill
and
as
I
read
209
444,
I
don't-
I
just
don't
see
it
so
by
the
plain
language
of
this
bill.
N
It
says
to
me-
and
maybe
someone
can
explain
this
to
me-
miss
wellborn
or
someone
that
no
matter
what
they're
going
to
get
five
days
credit
per
month
for
every
month
of
of
declared
emergency
for
a
pandemic
which,
with
a
cap
of
60
days,
which
we
would
be
at
right
now,
because
this
bill
is
retroactive,
and
I
understand
I
think,
what
the
what
the
intent
is,
but
I'm
just
not
seeing
it
in
the
plain
language
of
the
bill.
This
plain
language.
H
N
H
Thank
you,
chairman
yeager
hollywell-born
policy,
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
the
bill
is
meant
to
read
by
adding
the
nrs
codes,
interest,
209.433,
etc.
Those
are
the
statutes
that
speak
specifically
to
good
time
credits
in
the
sentence,
credit
structure
and
within
each
of
those
statutes.
It
discusses
the
good
time
credit
that
is
accrued
for
vocational
programming,
educational
programming,
etc.
H
So
by
adding
those
statutes
in
that
is,
you
know,
makes
makes
clear
that
you
know
this
is
meant
to
exist
within
that
same
chapter
and
have
a
carve
out,
for
you
know
a
state
of
emergency.
H
The
issue
at
hand
is
that,
because
you
know,
the
department
of
corrections
stated
this
in
their
letter
that,
because
a
person
is
not
able
to
quote
earn
by
actually
participating
in
the
program,
there
has
to
be
something
else
that
exists
in
the
law
that
accounts
for
the
accrual
of
that
time.
So,
by
adding
this
additional
time,
we're
able
to
to
to
show
that
you
know
an
individual
is
accruing
that
for
whatever
programming
time
they're
losing.
H
So
I
think
that
it
does
encapsulate
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
it's
a
barrier
that
provides
for
that
additional
time
that
people
are
losing.
H
That
accounts
for
a
variety
of
you
know,
circumstances
that
could
arise
a
variety
of
circle.
You
know
of
you
know,
issues
that
arise
that
you
know
maybe
gets
to
assemblywoman
hardy's
question
about
what
happens
when
we
start
slowly
opening
programming.
How
does
this
accrue?
I
think
that
the
way
that
it's
written
provides
an
easier
way
to
add
these
credits
during
a
state
of
emergency.
N
Well,
thank
you
for
your
explanation.
While
I
agree
with
your
intent
and
actually
would
probably
agree
with
the
bill,
if
the
language
said
that,
but
it
doesn't
so
I'll
talk
to
a
legal
offline,
thank
you.
F
So
many
wheeler,
I
invite
you
to
follow
up
with
legal,
to
see
what
their
analysis
of
how
those
provisions
would
would
work
together.
I
think
we
certainly
have
what
the
intent
of
the
bill
is
on
the
record,
but
if
there's
potentially
some
clarification
that
needs
to
happen
there,
we
can
certainly
make
that
happen
in
the
interest
of
time
committee.
F
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
open
up
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
241.
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
else
on
the
zoom
who
hasn't
already
testified
before
we
go
to
the
phone
lines.
I
just
wanted
to
let
those
who
are
joining
us
on
the
phone
know
that
you
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes,
so
we
can
get
through
everybody,
but
don't
feel
compelled
to
use
the
entire
two
minutes.
If
you
can
provide
your
testimony
in
less
than
two
minutes,
that'll
make
sure
that
we
have
time
for
everybody.
E
E
B
I
would
like
to
state
that
the
system
that
the
sentences
are
based
on
are
already
flawed
by
120
days
per
pre-release.
Parole
efforts
are
oftentimes
delayed,
however,
with
the
pandemic
and
dangerous
conditions
and
overcrowding.
B
If
the
bylaws
which
these
are
based
on
are
enforced,
it
would
help
they
are
already
behind
schedule.
We
understand
that
there
is
a
chain
of
command.
Those
who
are
not
incarcerated
have
no
excuse
not
to
do
their
due
diligence,
even
if
you
guys
have
to
in
initiate
a
task
force
just
for
this.
It
would
help
and
be
greatly
appreciated.
B
We
clearly
understand
for
every
day
that
an
inmate
sits
in
jail.
Someone
else
earned
a
dollar
but
others
slacking
and
disregarding
efforts
it
affects
all
of
us.
They
have
already
lost,
they've
lost
their
freedom,
they
lost
their
touch
to
their
spouses
and
their
children,
and
it's
like
we
punish
them
on
top
of
punishing
them.
They
lost
wages.
B
They
work
for
free
and
it's
just
a
blatant
disregard
for
the
inmates,
and
I
will
have
to
remind
everyone:
they
are
still
human
if
we
could
help
in
any
kind
of
way
in
efforts,
I
understand
those
that
do
life
sentences
and
things
like
that
they're
being
punished
for
their
crimes.
However,
if
we
keep
and
continuously
taking
away
from
them,
we
continuously
break
them
down
even
more.
B
I
would
like
to
say
we
are
nevada,
strong.
We
are
battle
born.
These
are
our
brothers
and
sisters
and
again
we
have
a
moral
obligation
to
do
what's
right
by
them.
If
those
who
are
in
charge
are
slacking,
they
need
to
be
accounted
for
to
help
it's
the
mark
of
the
moving
the
mouse
on
the
computer.
B
F
E
O
Good
morning
my
name
is
denise:
bolano
e
d-e-n-I-s-e-b,
o
l,
a
n
o
s.
Thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you.
Today.
I
reside
in
assembly
district
40
and
I
would
like
to
speak
in
support
of
ab241
as
well
as
urge
you
to
support
this
bill.
My
husband
is
incarcerated
here
in
nevada
and
although
this
bill
would
not
change
his
release
date
as
we
have
a
different
fight
altogether,
it
would
benefit
so
many
families
in
this
state
and
I'm
with
them.
Today.
O
The
following
is
a
statement
from
a
family
member
who
is
personally
affected
and
couldn't
be
here
today
to
speak.
She
states
my
husband's
original
date
was
may
5th,
and
now
it's
june
1st
and
counting
he
wasn't
able
to
work
because
he
didn't
have
a
high
school
diploma
and
then
he
wasn't
able
to
keep
programming
to
keep
his
days
from
moving
because
well,
there
was
no
programs
because
of
covet
his
date
keeps
moving
back,
but
not
because
of
write-ups
or
anything
like
that.
He
is
just
keeping
his
head
down
and
doing
his
time
two
months.
O
Even
two
weeks
may
not
seem
like
much,
but
it
is
huge
for
those
that
get
a
chance
to
reunite
with
their
families
that
much
sooner
after
years
of
being
separated
in
over
a
year
without
even
seeing
each
other
covet
has
taken
so
much
from
everyone,
and
this
committee
finds
itself
in
a
unique
position
to
be
able
to
do
something
about
it
and
get
some
of
those
losses
back.
Please
support
ab241.
E
P
My
name
is
lisa
rasmussen
r-a-s-m-u-s-s-e-n
good
morning,
chairman
yeager
and
members
of
the
committee
I
am
in
testifying
in
support
of
ab241.
I
want
to
address
a
couple
things
that
I
think
have
been
floating
around
in
the
conversation
this
morning
and
I'm
testifying
on
behalf
of
nacj.
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
say
that
so
this
is
a
really
conservative
bill.
B
P
This
is,
is
simply
restoring
opportunities
that
were
available
pre-pandemic
and
what
I
think
is
important
for
members
of
the
committee
who
aren't
already
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system
to
understand
is
that,
since
the
pandemic
broke
out
a
year
ago,
we,
the
criminal
defense
bar,
have
been
undertaking
all
kinds
of
measures
and
attempts
to
get
some
relief
for
people
who
are
sick
and
dying,
and
people
who
are
affected,
just
like
you
heard
from
ms
hawkins
and
miss
salve
this
morning,
and
the
fact
that
we've
been
unable
to
get
any
anything
from
ndoc
is
is
really
just
a
travesty,
and
the
fact
that
ndoc
is
continually
punting
to
the
the
legislature
and
and
making
people
basically
have
to
wait
a
year
or
more.
P
For
some
kind
of
remedy
is
in
and
of
itself
a
travesty.
We
don't
have
any
system
in
place
to
get
people
who
are
sick
or
dying
out
and,
and
we're
really
alone
in
that
other
states
have
enacted
compassionate
release
protocols.
The
federal
system
has
enacted
a
compassionate
release
protocol.
We
have
nothing
and
are
completely
dependent
on
the
legislature,
so
the
good
time
credits
that
would
be
just
essentially
restored
under
this
bill.
P
It's
a
conservative
measure.
It
puts
people
back
to
where
they
were,
it's
not
giving
people
some
windfall
and-
and
I
think
in
particular
to
assemblyman
o'neill's
questions,
there's
not
a
bunch
of
inmates
sitting
around
in
ndoc
who
don't
want
a
program
and
are
somehow
going
to
be
a
beneficiary
of
some
windfall.
The
reality
is
is
that
everyone
wants
to
program
because
it
reduces
their
time.
There
are
often
not
program
opportunities
for
everyone,
even
without
the
pandemic,
but
it's
not
the
that
there's
this
population
of
people
who
simply
decide.
P
I
don't
want
a
program
who
are
going
to
get
five
credits
that
that
a
month
up
to
a
maximum
of
60.,
that's
just
not
should
not
be
a
concern.
P
What
should
be
a
concern
is
that
people's
release
dates
keep
getting
pushed
back
when
they
should
be
getting
pushed
forward
because
of
the
pandemic
and
to
hear
this
morning
that
people
died
because
they
they
stayed
in
longer
than
they
should
have,
is
simply
heartbreaking.
So
I
would
ask
everyone
on
the
committee
to
to
pass
this
bill.
P
I
I
think
the
real
question
is:
how
quickly
can
it
be
passed,
because
waiting
until
june
creates
more
damage
and
more
danger,
and
it's
unfortunate
that
the
legislature
has
to
save
the
director
of
the
department
of
corrections
from
himself
by
passing
common
sense
bills?
I
I
but
this
is
where
we
are
so
I
would
ask
everyone
to
support
it
and
thank
you
for
your
support
of
this
bill.
E
Q
Her
name
is
catherine
grieco
and
she
has
a
daughter
who
is
incarcerated
at
casa
grande.
She
says
my
name
is
catherine
grieco.
I
support
ab214.
My
daughter
is
currently
housed
at
casa
grande
traditional
housing
for
20
months.
She
has
not
been
able
to
accrue
any
good
time
credit
over
the
last
12
months.
Her
facility
shut
down
completely
on
march
6
2020
and
still
remains
closed.
All
programs
were
also
shut
down.
If
you
had
a
job
in
the
community,
you
were
forced
to
quit
immediately
and
put
on
lockdown.
Q
If
my
daughter
had
been
given
credit,
she
would
have
been
very
close
to
applying
for
house
arrest
and
coming
home
to
our
family.
She
has
never
been
in
trouble
before
she
has
made
one
mistake
when
she
turned
25.,
I
know
she's,
not
perfect.
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are.
I
would
like
very
much
for
my
daughter
to
be
able
to
have
the
same
good
time
credits
that
individuals
before
her
received
coven
19
hampton
happened.
It's
not
her
fault,
she's
done
so
much
to
try
to
give
back
to
her
community
since
she
has
been
incarcerated.
Q
My
daughter
has
spoke
to
high
school
students.
She
has
completed
her
associate's
degree
and
was
on
the
dean's
list,
trying
to
complete
her
bachelor's
degree
at
unlv.
Eventually
she
will
be
living
and
working
in
our
community.
Are
we
going
to
be
remembered
as
a
community
that
wouldn't
work
with
them
only
keep
them
locked
down?
Q
All
we
are
asking
is
to
grant
these
individuals
the
same
five
days
a
month
that
we're
giving
to
previous
inmates
before
the
coven
19
pandemic.
This
was
not
their
fault,
they
didn't
ask
for
any
of
this.
There
were
several
inmates
that
were
working
their
ndoc
jobs,
like
my
daughter
and
still
has
not
received
credit.
The
covet
19
pandemic
is
a
once
in
a
lifetime
occurrence.
I
know
the
correctional
facilities
did
not
intend
for
this
to
happen.
There
is
not
a
clear-cut
path
for
any
of
this.
Q
My
daughter
cleaned
at
casa
grande
during
the
pandemic.
She
would
receive
her
family's
credit
as
soon
as
possible.
She
was
responsible
for
cleaning
the
facility
and
cleaning
out
rooms
of
discharged
inmates
that
tested
positive
for
coping.
Unfortunately,
later
she
tested
positive
for
covid
in
january
2021..
This
isn't
a
request
for
a
gift.
This
is
a
request
for
fairness
and
justice.
Thank
you.
I
support
eb
214..
E
C
White
a-s-h-l-e-y
w-h-I-t-e
good
morning,
I
am
here
in
support
of
bill
ab241.
I
live
in
assembly
district
15..
This
issue
has
deeply
impacted
my
family
and
I,
my
fiance,
is
currently
incarcerated
at
svcc
and
I
am
home
raising
two
young
children
alone,
one
who
is
severely
autistic.
He
was
attending
classes
and
working
on
rehabilitation
before
everything
got
shut
down
due
to
covert
19
in
nevada
in
nevada.
C
Your
expiration
date
is
based
on
the
best
case
scenario,
so
they
give
you
days
and
your
potential
expiration
date
before
you
earn
them
and
then,
if
you
don't
earn
the
days,
your
expiration
date
gradually
moves
further
back
as
they
take
the
days
away.
From
our
point
of
view,
extending
your
sentence
from
the
prison's
point
of
view,
I
guess
they
say
you
didn't
earn
the
days,
but
how
do
you
earn
days
during
a
pandemic
when
jobs
and
programming
days
didn't
exist?
The
crazy
part
is
it
wasn't
his
fault.
He
has
been
programming
successfully
for
years.
C
He
would
have
already
been
out
and
expired
if
it
were
not
for
him
losing
programming
days.
This
loss
has
increased
his
depression
severely,
along
with
his
anxiety.
He
is
older
and
at
high
risk
for
bad
outcomes
from
kobe,
thank
god
he
survived
it
when
he
caught
it.
I'm
struggling
with
covered
right
now
at
home,
with
the
kids
alone
and
trying
to
deal
with
remote
school
and
the
financial
stress.
C
Since
I
lost
my
job
during
the
pandemic,
we
are
very
close
to
facing
homelessness
without
his
help,
which
I
would
have
if
those
days
never
would
have
been
taken
away
from
him.
He
feels
like
all
that
work
was
a
waste
of
time
for
him.
He
feels
that
the
facility
got
what
they
wanted
from
him,
but
now
cannot
hold
up
their
end
of
the
bargain
and
give
him
the
credits
it
seems
like
for
him
and
many
other
individuals.
It
is
a
never
winning
battle
with
no
end
in
sight.
C
It
just
is
not
fair
to
take
something
away
that
was
already
completed
and
worked
on.
He
was
very
happy
and
proud
of
himself
for
all
the
work
that
he
had
learned
and
going
and
doing,
and
now
it
seems
to
him
like
it
was
just
a
slap
in
the
face.
I
support
ab241
all
incarcerated
people
deserve
credit
for
programming
when
the
prison
couldn't
offer
those
opportunities
you
can't
make
them
bear
the
brunt
of
the
pandemic
on
their
backs.
C
As
others
have
said,
this
isn't
about
giving
criminals
early
releases
about
giving
people
the
five
days
a
month
credit
they
could
have
earned.
If
earning
opportunities
were
available.
Like
jam
said,
we
gave
free
people,
unemployment
and
didn't
think
about
it,
but
we
can't
give
incarcerated
people
to
five
days
a
month
they
could
have
earned.
I
feel
like
it
is
the
same
premise.
Please
vote
yes
on
ab241
and
give
us
five
days
of
hope.
Thank
you.
E
A
I
believe
this
bill
is
very
important
and
due
to
many
individuals
that
are
incarcerated,
it
is
no
fault
of
their
own
that
kobut,
19
head
and
a
pandemic
shut
down
their
whole
routine.
These
individuals
were
working
on
themselves
during
incarceration
to
be
better
individuals
when
they
get
out
and
not
become
repeat
offenders.
A
Now
that
the
pandemic
has
hit
and
they
haven't
been
programming,
they
have
had
mental
issues
and
many
let
downs
and
failures
if
they
held
up
their
commitments
for
themselves
and
the
facility,
why
can't
they
get
what
they
deserved
and
work
for?
Many
individuals
would
have
already
been
released
and
been
able
to
be
out
with
a
new
start
of
life.
Many
individuals
would
have
had
a
lesser
chance
of
catching
coca-19
and
have
to
deal
with
their
fear
and
anxiety.
A
Everyone
on
the
outside
has
been
able
to
adjust
to
the
social
distancing
and
still
carried
on
with
their
lives
and
classes,
because
they
weren't
able
to
be
adjusted
to
have
the
opportunity
to
do
classes
virtually
and
social
distance
that
got
punished
and
get
time
taken
away
from
them
for
doing
something,
good
and
positive
with
their
time
individual
had
plans
for
things
to
be
done,
based
off
the
dates
that
were
provided
now
that
the
dates
have
been
moved.
Everything
has
to
be
readjusted
and
replanned.
A
It
is
only
right
to
give
individuals
back
what
they
deserve
and
have
earned.
Would
you
like
what
you
have
worked
for
and
earned
taken
away
from
you
for
no
fault
of
your
own?
Many
of
us
have
had
to
adjust
to
a
new
life
with
the
impact
of
cloven
19,
but
we
have
not
lost
anything
like
our
loved
ones.
Have.
A
E
B
We
asked
this
committee
to
support
the
passage
of
this
bill
when
the
pandemic
first
started
director
daniel
stated
in
a
meeting
that
there
were
zero
people
infected
with
coven
and
then
when
he
was
asked
how
many
people
we
tested,
he
said
zero
and
quickly.
Thereafter,
during
the
course
of
this
pandemic,
over
40
percent
of
the
inmates
have
been
affected
and
over
36
percent
of
the
staff
have
been
infected
and
those
staff
have
taken
the
covid
19
virus
into
the
community.
B
The
rates
inside
the
prison
are
triple
the
general
population
and
rural
communities,
where
some
of
these
prisons
are
housed,
don't
even
have
the
capacity
to
treat
people.
So
the
lack
of
action
on
this
subject
by
director
daniels
at
the
prison
has
caused
an
untenable
situation
for
nevadans
people
who
were
sentenced
to
prison
not
on
a
death
sentence.
Shouldn't
have
been
sitting
around
waiting
to
die
with
a
possible
covet,
19
death
sentence
when
asked
for
depopulation.
This
bill
would
help
depopulate
and
help
complete
keep
our
community
safe.
B
So
I
urge
the
passage
of
this
bill.
It's
a
way
to
depopulate
the
prison
and
help
keep
our
communities
from
this
coveted
virus
raging.
Thank
you.
E
R
Tanya
brown
spelled
t-o-n-j-a
b-r-o-w-n
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent.
We
would
like
to
echo
the
comments
made
by
the
all
those
involved.
Excuse
me:
the
dogs
are
barking.
I'm
sorry.
We
would
like
to
comment
or
echo
equity
comments
made
by
all
the
previous
callers
in
support
of
this
bill.
Now
I
would
like
to
kind
of
address
some
of
the
concerns
made
by
assemblyman
o'neill
regarding
inmates
and
receiving
credits
when
they're
not
even
programming.
B
A
R
Problems
who
have
been
met
who
have
never
left
rms,
they
have
lost
years
of
good
time
credits
and
programming
credits,
because
they're
unable
the
other
issue
too,
is
because
they
may
decline
programming
is
there
maybe
a
they
may
they.
They
may
have
an
enemy
that
is
doing
some
programming,
and
so
that
might
be
another
reason
why
they
don't.
R
Now.
I
see
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
lack
of
medical
care
made
by
some
of
the
previous
callers,
and
that
is
an
ongoing
issue
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
this
I
I
assume
this
bill
would
also
include
mrsa,
which
is
a
highly
infectious
disease,
particularly
when
there's
an
outbreak
in
the
community,
and
it
goes
forward
into
the
ndoc,
and
I
believe
that
is
covered
under
this
bill
as
well.
That's
all
I
have
to
say.
R
I
hope
that
some
of
the
concerns
made
by
assemblyman
o'neill
I've
answered
I'd
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
of
this
bill,
assemblywoman
gonzalez
and
those
and
the
presenters,
and
thank
you,
chairman
yeager,
and
the
committee
for
hearing
this
bill.
Thank
you.
E
D
S
M
E
S
Hello,
my
name
is
amber
cannon
a-m-d-e-r-b-a-n-n-o-n
with
an
incarcerated
loved
one
at
warm
springs,
correctional
center,
located
in
carson
city
in
assembly
district
40..
Today,
I'm
here
to
read
a
letter
from
one
of
our
families
who
couldn't
be
here
due
to
work,
but
we
wanted
to
let
you
know
what
their
story
was.
They
said,
as
of
today,
my
fiancee's
mandatory
parole
release
date
is
june,
16
2021
and
his
expiration
date
is
december.
18
2021.
Why
are
these
dates?
Important
one
might
ask.
S
They
are
important
for
many
reasons,
one
reason
being
that
those
dates
are
when
our
family
would
be
given
a
chance
to
be
whole
again.
Yes,
it's
a
seemingly
a
distant
dream.
As
we
see
his
dates
continuously,
moving
to
a
later
and
later
date.
Each
month
my
fiance
has
worked
his
hardest
at
improving
himself,
not
only
for
him
but
for
our
family
during
his
incarceration.
S
Yet
every
month
we
feel
our
time
together
keeps
evading
us
prior
to
cobin.
We
knew
if
he
worked
hard
in
programs.
He'd
have
the
opportunity
to
get
home
sooner.
So
that's
what
he
did.
However,
this
quickly
changed
once
cobit
affected
the
program.
My
fiance
had
just
gotten
good
news
from
his
caseworker.
He
completed
a
level
in
the
program
done
all
his
required
paperwork
with
the
required
signatures
and
was
told
he
would
receive
three
notorious
credit
days.
That
meant
his
release
date
would
move
up
by
30
days.
S
The
next
step
was
for
him
to
wait
for
the
next
level
to
start
complete
that
level
and
he
would
have
received
yet
another
30
days
completed.
The
programs
began
to
shut
down
and
that
next
level
never
began.
Two
months
later,
he
was
told
that
he
would
not
be
receiving
the
30
days.
How
could
this
be?
If
he
completed
his
level
and
was
given
the
paperwork
showing
completion?
S
He
was
still
waiting
for
an
answer
on
top
of
that,
since
he
was
able
aber
to
continue
the
program
every
month
we
see
his
parole
and
expiration
dates,
move
back
by
five
days
before
the
programs
got
shut
down.
We
didn't
have
to
worry
about
this
date.
Moving
back
and
those
five
days
every
single
month.
Now
is
a
constant
feeling
of
loss
and
disappointment.
If
my
fiance
had
been
able
to
continue
programming,
he
would
have
potentially
been
released
on
parole
in
april
one
month
from
now.
S
If
he
had
received
a
30
days
owed
to
him
for
programming,
he
could
be
home
today,
not
only
our
loved
ones,
faced
with
trying
to
figure
out
how
mentally
emotionally
and
physically
coping
with
all
of
the
changes
that
covet
has
brought
on,
they
have
also
been
made
to
feel
like.
There
is
no
means
to
an
end.
My
fiance
feels
like
he
is
chasing
his
own
tail.
He
has
done
everything
he
can
an
effort
to
be
proactive,
knowing
it
will
get
him
nowhere.
S
He
has
submitted
grievances
asking
the
program,
despite
knowing
what
the
response
will
be
but
needed
to
feel
like
he
should
do
something.
Yet
he
is
just
further
disappointed
with
the
responses
received,
saying
that
programming
had
been
placed
on
hold.
My
fiance
did
not
choose
to
stop
his
programming,
yet
he's
being
subjected
to
the
repercussions
of
it.
If
our
loved
ones
received
the
credit
days,
they
would
have
otherwise
been
entitled
to
this
does
not
mean
they
would
simply
be
released
early.
This
means
they
would
be
released
in
a
fair
and
timely
manner.
S
E
D
D
It
goes
without
saying
that
this
pandemic
has
affected
everyone
worldwide,
but
there
are
thousands
of
forgotten
people
who
are
incarcerated,
who
this
pandemic
has
not
forgotten.
Thousands
of
incarcerated
persons
were
infected
with
coba
19
and
many
have
lost
their
lives
due
to
the
struggle
of
handling
a
disease
such
as
this
programming
for
many
incarcerated
persons
were
stopped
in
their
tracks
for
safety.
This
is
the
unfortunate
side
effect
of
the
having
the
loss
of
programming
days
simply
because
they
were
unable
to
do
them.
D
This
means
that
people
like
my
husband
who
could
be
home
two
months
sooner
as
he
was
programming,
but
that
stopped
almost
a
year
ago
anything
can
happen
while
in
prison.
During
my
husband's
incarceration,
he
has
not
only
suffered
direct
and
indirect
effects
from
coba
19.
He
also
suffered
a
broken
neck
during
a
sports
related
injury.
A
few
years
ago,
just
like
out
here
in
public
every
day,
is
not
promised
granting
people
the
time
lost
due
to
this
due
to
no
fault
of
their
own
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
D
F
E
O
My
message
brings
a
lot
of
frustration
with
urgency
to
to
understand
why
families
are
chasing
their
loved
ones,
expiration
dates
that
are
due
for
releases
this
year.
It
is
ridiculous
for
omd
to
continually
calculate
more
time
for
programs
and
jobs
that
are
simply
not
there
for
inmates
during
cobit
19.,
the
majority
of
the
inmates
have
been
maintaining
their
expiration
dates
until
the
hit
of
covet
19.
O
having
case
managers
expressing
the
lack
of
jobs
in
their
facilities
with
it,
isn't
the
case
manager's
priority
to
keep
inmates
working
to
seize
their
time
with
it.
This
being
said,
families
would
like
to
know
if
jobs
are
not
available,
then
why
are
their
loved
ones
release
dick
time,
starting
for
longer
sentences
restarting
for
longer
sentencing?
O
O
F
F
F
Thank
you
so
much
bps.
I
think
that
timing
worked
out
nicely,
so
we
will
close
testimony
in
support
I'll
now
open
up
for
testimony
in
opposition.
We
don't
have
anyone
in
the
zoom
in
opposition-
I
don't
believe
but
bps
could
we
check
the
phone
lines
to
see
if
there's
anybody
there
in
opposition
ab241.
E
F
T
I
want
to
thank
ms
welborn
for
her
clarification
on
the
bill,
because
when
I,
when
I
first
read
it,
I
had
a
similar
interpretation
to
application
as
a
summoning
wheeler,
and
the
clarification
was
much
appreciative
as
to
the
intent
of
the
scope
of
the
credits
overall
for
the
division
of
public
safety.
Excuse
me
the
porn
probation
division
of
the
department
of
public
safety.
T
I
see
very
little
impact
to
of
application
of
this
bill
to
our
releasing
inmates.
All
I
will
do
is
accelerate
the
release
to
timing
of
those
inmates
who
qualify
for
this
additional
credits.
As
a
result,
we
may
see
some
some
surging
in
our
past
parole
eligibility
date
as
those
credits
are
applied
and
we
process
individuals
for
release,
as
we
testify
before
and
other
bills
in
our
budget
hearings,
that
the
limitations
due
to
a
pandemic
such
as
this
bill
would
apply
to.
T
You
know
limit
our
opportunities
for
for
placement
of
releasing
inmates
and
really
dries
up
the
well
of
places
that
are
willing
to
accept
inmates
they're
releasing
and
so
because
of
the
additional
crips
being
applied
and
the
expectation
of
limited
resources
for
placement
of
offenders
on
the
outside.
We
expect
to
see
you
know
backlog
some
a
little
bit
of
a
backlog
in
in
our
release,
planning
and
a
spike
to
our
past
parole
eligibility
date
list,
but
other
than
that
the
caseload
will
be
absorbed.
T
We
don't
see
the
necessity
to
submit
a
fiscal
note
for
additional
positions
due
to
the
just
the
change
of
I
guess
flow
out
of
the
prison
and
not
an
increase
to
the
overall
numbers
that
are
expecting
release.
T
If
there's
any
questions
that
I
can
answer
on
on
behalf
of
this,
unfortunately
I
I
cannot
answer
questions
about
in
dlc's,
calculation
of
good
time
credits.
That's
I
have
to
take
my
shoes
off
to
count
that
and
I'm
really
not
well
versed
in
that.
So
but
any
other
thing
I
am
at
your
disposal
for
for
anything,
I
may
be
assistance
of.
F
Thank
you
for
your
testimony,
mr
lawson,
and
we
certainly
won't
ask
you
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
department
of
corrections.
I
don't
think
there
are
many
people
in
the
state
that
fully
understand
the
credit
calculations,
but
while
we
have
chief
lawson
here,
are
there
any
questions
for
him
about
the
potential
impact
on
parole
and
probation.
F
F
Thank
you,
bps
appreciate
it.
I
will
now
close
neutral
testimony
and
before
we
go
to
closing
comments,
just
wanted
to
thank
all
of
those
who
called
in
to
provide
testimony
this
morning.
We
appreciate
your
effort
in
doing
that
and
I
think
it's
helpful
for
us
in
processing
the
bill
so
always
appreciate
public
participation,
assemblywoman
gonzalez
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you
and
anyone
else
who
is
with
you
to
provide
concluding
remarks.
G
G
I
want
to
also
thank
all
those
that
called
in
with
their
personal
stories,
as
I
am
also
personally
impacted
by
having
a
family
member
incarcerated
at
this
time.
During
a
pandemic,
people
in
our
prisons
and
jails
are
unfortunately,
also
disproportionately
likely
to
have
many
other
chronic
health
issues.
Nevertheless,
as
you
as
you've
heard
on
the
record,
correctional
health
care
is
low,
quality
and
very
difficult
to
access.
G
This
bill
seeks
to
address
the
public
health
crisis
is
in
our
incarcerated
population.
Due
to
this
highly
infectious
disease,
as
we
know
of
as
covid19,
and
hopefully
we
will
never
have
to
go
through
this
again.
However,
that's
also
the
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
have
it
in
our
statute
that
if
we
were
to
unfortunately
endure
a
public
health
pandemic,
that
we
have
something
in
place
to
address
that
in
our
incarcerated
population.
G
I
urge
for
your
support
and
thank
you
again
so
much
for
being
able
to
present
ab241.
Thank
you.
H
F
Thank
you
so
much
miss
wellborn,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
and
I
want
to.
Thank
also.
Can
everyone
hear
me
by
the
way?
Okay,
my
computer
is
telling
me
that
I'm
muted,
but
I
don't
think
I'm
actually
muted,
so
thank
you.
Miss
hawking,
miss
o'neill
and
miss
salve
for
being
here
as
well
to
help
present
the
bill.
We
appreciate
your
time
this
morning
and
thank
you
for
spending
a
little
bit
of
your
monday
morning
with
us,
and
we
hope
you
have
a
great
rest
of
the
day.
F
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
close
assembly
bill
241
members,
we
have
one
more
item
on
our
agenda
this
morning
and
that
is
public
comment.
By
way
of
reminder,
we
reserve
up
to
30
minutes
of
public
comment
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
Callers
on
the
public
comment
line
will
have
up
to
two
minutes
to
provide
public
comment.
Public
comment
is
a
time
to
raise
matters
of
a
general
nature
that
fall
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
assembly
judiciary,
committee
bps.
F
E
E
E
L
I'd
like
to
mention
that
reno
police
have
been
killing
people
by
hog
tying
them
for
a
long
going
way.
Back.
Ronald
wayne
bunch
was
asphyxiated
while
hogtied
by
reno
police
on
september
23
1994,
but
today,
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
50
year
old
byron,
lee
williams,
known
as
ronnie
to
his
family
ronnie,
was
senselessly
murdered
by
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
last
september
september,
2019
september
5th
2019
for
allegedly
not
having
a
safety
light
on
his
bicycle.
L
He
was
pulled
over
in
the
early
morning
by
martin
luther
king
boulevard
and
west
bonanza
road
in
las
vegas
and
likely
due
to
having
had
bad
experiences
with
police
before
he
decided
to
run
when
metro
caught
up
with
him.
He
complied
and
got
on
the
ground.
Ground
surrendering
two
police
officers
jumped
on
his
back
holding
him
in
a
prone
restraint.
L
At
this
point,
ronnie
began
stating
over
and
over
again
I
can't
breathe.
His
pleas
for
help
was
only
answered
with
total
callousness.
The
video
shows
officers
laughing
mocking
him
and
giving
each
other
props
for
catching
him
round.
Seven
offices
were
on
scene
and
all
of
them
turned
off
their
body.
Cameras
before
before
ronnie
was
transported
in
the
ambulance.
L
Ronnie
died
shortly
after
no
officers
had
been
indicted
in
typical
police
mo.
They
immediately
tried
to
criminalize
ronnie
for
past
mistakes
in
his
life,
her
ronnie's
niece
tina
akrie.
He
was
loved,
he
was
a
changed
man
and
it
needs
to
be
known
that
he
changed
his
lifestyle.
21
times
he
took
police
officers
who
were
arresting
him.
I
can't
breathe,
I
can't
breathe,
I
can't
breathe
21
times
and.
K
L
Last
words
that
ronnie
heard
from
lvmpd
telling
him
no
one
was
coming
for
him.
No
help
was
coming
for
him.
I
truly
don't
understand
how
people
become
so
compassionless
and
lose
their
moral
compass
when
my
brother
was
affixiated
to
death
by
reno
police
washa,
county
d.a
did
not
even
review
his
case,
nor
does
he
review
any
deaths
at
the
hands
of
law
enforcement
in
washoe
county.
If
the
method
of
killing
is
asphyxiation
by
officers
per
the
washer
county,
medical
examiner.
A
L
Brother
would
not
have
died,
were
it
not
for
the
physical
force
used
on
him.
My
brother
weighed
140
pounds
soaking
wet.
He
died
uncompetitive,
having
assaulted
nobody
simply
asking
for
help.
Please
do
not
support
bills
that
provide
further
protection
to
law
enforcement.
Please
support
bills.
They
provide
accountability
and
transparency
from
law
enforcement
and
bills
that
protect
community
members
from
police
who
choose
to
abuse
their
authority.
Thank
you.
F
F
F
Okay,
I
don't
see
anything
else.
Thank
you
committee
members
for
an
engaging
hearing
this
morning,
the
rest
of
the
week.
The
plan
is
to
start
at
eight
o'clock.
Each
morning,
while
we
were
in
this
meeting,
we
had
a
revised
agenda
posted
for
tomorrow,
so
we've
added
a
second
bill
to
the
agenda
for
tomorrow.
F
Tomorrow,
we'll
be
hearing
a
bill
from
the
attorney
general's
office
and
then
assemblywoman
krasner
will
be
presenting
a
bill
as
well
I'm
hoping
later
today
or
early
tomorrow,
we'll
have
the
agendas
out
for
the
rest
of
the
week
as
we
move
some
of
those
pieces
around
so
committee.
Thank
you
and
just
a
reminder
that
we
do
have
a
floor
session
today
that
technically
started
a
minute
ago.
So
when
you
log
off,
please
make
your
way
down
to
the
floor.