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A
E
A
F
B
C
A
I
am
present
everyone
is
here.
We
do
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you
all
for
being
pretty
close
to
on
time.
For
a
friday.
I
appreciate
that
welcome
to
the
members
of
the
committee
welcome
to
those
joining
us
on
the
zoom
and
to
those
who
might
be
watching
on
the
internet
at
the
legislature's
website
or
on
our
youtube
channel.
Welcome
to
day
33
of
the
81st
session
of
the
nevada
legislature.
We
are
finishing
up
week.
A
Five
today
before
we
get
started
on
our
agenda,
just
a
few
housekeeping
rules,
people
on
the
zoom
members
and
guests,
could
you
please
make
sure
you
mute
when
you're,
not
speaking,
that
will
help
with
the
audio
feedback
and
then
for
our
presenters
today?
If
you
could,
please
remember
to
state
your
name
each
time
you
speak
particularly
after
you
are
asked,
a
question
that
will
help
with
the
minutes
I'll
try
to
remind
you
to
do
that,
because
it's
not
really
a
natural
thing
to
do.
A
We
do
expect
courtesy
and
respect
in
our
interactions
with
one
another.
We
don't
always
agree
on
policy,
that's
perfectly
fine,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
being
respectful
of
one
another
and
this
legislative
institution.
Finally,
many
members
are
using
multiple
devices
to
participate
in
this
meeting.
Laptops.
Desktops
extra
monitors,
ipads
phones,
we're
just
trying
to
manage
this
virtual
environment,
so
please
don't
see
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
or
inattention.
A
If
members
seem
to
be
looking
away
during
today's
meeting
with
those
housekeeping
matters
behind
us
we're
going
to
move
to
our
agenda
members,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
two
bills
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
are
going
to
take
those
two
bills
in
order.
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
33
assembly
bill
33
authorizes
the
establishment
of
paternity
in
proceedings
concerning
the
protection
of
children,
I'll.
A
Let
members
know,
and
members
of
the
public
know
that
there
is
a
pretty
substantial
amendment
that
you'll
find
to
the
bill
up
on
nellis
under
the
exhibits
tab,
and
I
believe
our
sponsors
will
go
through
that
so
joining
us
this
morning
on
the
zoom
to
present
the
bill
include:
miss
dagny,
stapleton,
miss
amber
howell,
miss
megan
lucy
and
the
honorable
justice
nancy,
sata
retired.
I
think
I
am
obligated
to
say
that,
so
I
want
to
welcome
the
four
of
you
to
the
zoom
this
morning.
A
What
we'll
do
is,
give
you
a
chance
to
present
the
bill
and
then
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions
and
after
that
we'll
take
testimony.
So
welcome
to
the
assembly
judiciary
committee
on
a
friday
morning
and
whoever
would
like
to
start
first,
please
go
ahead.
It
looks
like
maybe
miss
stapleton
is
unmuted.
So
did
you
want
to
start
off.
G
G
Director
howell
is
very
familiar
with
child
welfare
and
dependency
cases
and
the
process
for
determining
paternity,
which
our
bill
today
addresses
also
to
help
us
present
today
and
answer
any
technical
or
legal
questions
representing
washoe
county
is
megan
lucy
and
finally,
we
are
honored
to
have
supreme
court
retired
supreme
court.
Justice,
nancy
theta
here
also
as
a
part
of
our
presentation,
and
she
will
share
her
perspective
on
this
issue
with
the
committee.
Also
before
I
turn
the
presentation
over
to
director
howell.
G
I
would
like
to
note,
as
the
chair
did
as
well,
that
we
have
submitted
an
amendment
to
the
committee
we
are
proposing,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
amendment,
to
get
most
of
the
bill
as
we
found
a
better
way
to
accomplish
what
we
wanted.
There's
actually
a
more
simple
change
to
the
law
and
we'll
go
go
through
that
with
you.
We
did
submit
that
amendment,
and
so
we
would
direct
you
to
look
at
the
amendment
as
director.
Howell
goes
over
the
bill
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
director
health.
H
H
H
But
I'll
start
by
saying
that
the
greatest
gift
that
we
can
give
a
child
is
closure
through
a
forever
family
after
they've
been
abused,
neglected
or
experienced
experiencing
things
that
we
wish
they
had
not
no
child
or
parent
should
have
to
mourn
the
loss
of
each
other,
but
when
it
does
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
we
not
prolong
the
next
steps,
the
quicker
we
can
remove
the
anxiety
from
a
child,
that's
worrying
about
where
they
will
be
placed
for
the
last
time
and
have
adopted
parents
who
promise
to
give
them
a
childhood.
H
H
Children
in
the
foster
care
system
endure
unanticipated
trauma
from
the
unknown
of
not
knowing
where
they're
going
next,
not
having
a
secure
placement
or
the
confidence
that
the
adults
in
their
life
will
be
there
for
them
impacts
all
facets
of
a
child's
well-being.
Children
should
not
grow
up
in
our
system
and
the
second.
We
realize
that
reunification
their
parents
is
not
going
to
occur.
We
need
to
have
a
seamless
process
to
find
the
next
best
option.
H
H
Only
about
20
percent
of
our
lives
is
spent
in
childhood
and,
when
you
think
about
a
child
entering
into
the
child
welfare
system,
working
on
reunification,
establishing
paternity
and
getting
adopted
could
take
up
to
five
years,
and
by
that
time
a
fourth
of
their
childhood
is
already
gone.
They
can't
ever
get
these
years
back.
So
what
this
legislation
addresses
is
the
legal
process
that
takes
place
when
the
kids
are
in
the
foster
care
system
and
need
to
move
into
the
adoption
track.
H
Independency
hearings
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
biologic
biological
parents
of
the
child
is
resolved
the
process
for
determining
paternity
has
to
occur.
So
what
this
bill
does
is
it
ensures
that
this
process
is
uniform
and
efficient
across
the
state
by
making
sure
the
existing
process
in
law,
or
rather
in
chapter
126,
is
also
used
in
child
welfare
cases?
H
One
thing
I
want
to
note
is
in
1995
kaiser
and
the
center
for
disease
control
and
prevention
conducted.
An
adverse
childhood
experiences
study
called
the
aces
study
and,
in
short,
what
the
study
has
found-
and
we
have
used
this
in
the
child.
Welfare
agencies
for
many
years-
is
that
adverse
experiences
for
children
between
birth
and
17,
such
as
instability
in
their
home
and
family
involvement
cannon,
is
likely
to
lead
to
chronic
health
substance
abuse
and
mental
health
issues
later
in
life.
H
So
what
this
means
is
the
more
frequent
and
longer
these
experiences
occur
for
a
child.
The
most
the
more
significant
excuse
me
issues
become
later
in
life.
That's
why
it
is
critical
to
have
a
very
smooth
and
efficient
process
for
children
with
this
legislation.
As
ms
stapleton
mentioned,
there
is
a
beefy
amendment,
but
I
think
she
sent
it
said
it
eloquently
that
we
found
an
elegant
way
to
simplify
what
we
were
trying
to
do.
H
I
will
let
you
know
that
we
have
been
busy
working
with
all
partners
in
our
community
from
the
courts,
child
welfare
agencies,
public
defenders,
child
support,
legal
services,
the
da's
and
we've
all
come
to
a
place
of
neutrality
or
agreement
based
on
the
long
amendment
that
I'm
going
to
go
through
today.
H
H
In
section
twelve
one
b
and
two
a
we
are
adding
432
b
in
section
13,
we
are
adding
432
b,
proceeding
to
126,
that's
the
adoption
chapter,
section,
14,
adding
confidentiality,
language
and
final
order,
language
and
then
all
remaining
languages
being
proposed
for
deletion.
H
So
I
will
just
close
with
you:
don't
believe
these
are
very
difficult
cases
for
us
in
the
child
welfare
agency.
We
don't
believe
that
a
parent
wakes
up
one
day
and
decides
to
be
absent
or
to
not
provide
for
their
children,
but
when
this
occurs,
for
whatever
reason,
we
need
to
be
there
for
the
child
to
provide
an
alternative
plan
that
is
safe,
loving
and
secure.
H
Everybody
longs
for
a
parent
to
guide
them
teach
them
and
love
them
unconditionally.
When
biological
parents
cannot
meet
these
tasks
and
we
need
to
have
processes
that
streamline
the
myriad
of
events
that
occur
for
a
child
in
the
foster
care
system,
this
legislation
has
been
proposed
to
provide
clarification
to
ensure
children
have
as
much
time
on
their
clock
as
possible
and
give
them
many
happy
years
as
many
happy
years
as
we
can.
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
justice.
Nancy
seda.
E
Good
morning,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
taking
time
to
hear
this
this
bill
for
the
record
nancy
sata
n-a-n-c-y-s-a-I-t-t-a.
E
I
I
join
in
the
support
of
this
bill
and
urge
the
committee
to
consider
its
most
most
immediate
passage.
The
process
of
adoption
is
one
as
as
ms
howell
described,
that
is
long
and
tedious
and
unfortunately
we
don't
often
consider
the
needs
of
the
child.
E
I
will
tell
you,
I
think
many
of
you
know
this.
I
was
a
product
of
the
system
and
I
was
adopted
very
very
early,
and
so
I
had
the
great
good
fortune
of
being
adopted
and
remaining
in
a
family
that
put
up
with
me
through
years,
where
I
wouldn't
have
put
up
with
me.
E
But
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
parenting
forever
families
and
permanency
is
the
most
important
thing
that
any
child
can
and
should
have,
while
the
state
can
certainly
do
their
best
to
create
an
environment
to
keep
our
children
safe
and
protected.
No
child
should
be
raised
by
the
state.
E
This
bill
allows
for
the
process
that
is
often
far
too
difficult,
far
too
tedious
to
be
streamlined
where
all
rights
are
considered
and
in
fact
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
protect
the
welfare
of
the
trial,
and
in
this
bill
we
take
out
some
of
of
those
things
in
law
that
we
often
think
are
important,
and
indeed
they
are.
Let
me
make
that
clear.
E
The
establishment
of
paternity
is
something
that
should
not
ever
be
taken
lightly,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
when
it
is
clear
that
indeed
the
parent
is
absent
and
will
continue
to
be
absent
or
has
no
interest
in
the
life
of
this
child,
our
state
should
be
able
to
step
up
and
allow
the
child
to
move
into
that
forever
family,
with
as
much
simplicity
and
and
ease
as
is
possible
again,
I
want
to
close
with
thanking
you
for
considering
this
bill.
E
I
want
you
to
know
how
very
important
it
is
to
the
state
to
our
welfare
partners,
to
the
judiciary
and
to
someone
like
me,
who
you
know
almost
100
years
ago,
had
the
great
good
pleasure
of
being
adopted
into
a
family
that
I
think
every
child
should
have.
Thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you,
chair
megan,
lucy,
m-e-g-a-n-l-u-c-e-y
on
behalf
of
washoe
county
human
services
agency
through
the
chair,
I'm
here
to
answer
questions
that
this
assembly
would
have
for
me
today.
So
I
have
no
additional
testimony
other
than
to
be
here
to
answer
any
technical
or
legal
questions
proposed.
Thank
you.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
to
the
three
of
you
presenting
and
the
4b
for
being
here
for
questions
before
I
open
it
up
for
other
questions,
I
just
wondered.
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
in
this
session
we've
dealt
with
chapter
4,
32
b,
so
I
was
hoping
someone
could
just
kind
of
give
an
on
the
ground
perspective
of
you
know,
sort
of
what
the
issue
is
now
and
how
the
addition
of
432
be
being
inserted
into
some
of
these
chapters.
How
that's
going
to
streamline
the
process?
A
I
Yes,
megan
lucy,
thank
you,
chairman
megan
lucy,
on
behalf
of
washoe
county
health
and
human
services
agency.
These
processes
are
for
dependency,
youth
in
our
foster
program
at
the
onset
of
removal
from
a
particular
home
for
various
reasons,
abuse
neglect
unfitness.
They
will
be
placed
into
a
legal
system.
That
system
is
guided
by
these
particular
432b
guidelines
due
to
the
nature
in
which
these
children
are
occurring.
I
This
432
b
section
has
that
legal
basis
to
allow
these
children
to
go
through
this
process
in
hopes
of
reunification
with
their
biological
parents
or
their
guardians.
I
These
processes
require
additional
court
hearings.
They
require
additional
motion
practice
and
additional
publication
or
potential
biological
parents
out
there
in
the
universe,
with
the
inclusion
into
the
already
existing
statute
that
establishes
child
support
and
other
paternity
actions
already.
We
are
just
simply
adding
this
particular
language
to
this
dependency
section
to
allow
the
existing
process
through
126
to
coincide
with
these
particular
cases.
For
these
youth.
I
With
this
streamline
process,
they
will
be
able
to
avoid
the
additional
time
frame
and
processes
through
the
court
system
and,
as
ms
howell
indicated,
we'll
speed
them
up
to
their
forever
family
placements
in
the
long
run
and
get
out
of
our
system
as
fast
as
they
possibly
can
to
ensure
their
health
safety
and
welfare.
On
the
backside.
A
Thank
you
for
that
answer,
and
just
just
to
make
sure
I
have
it
correct
so
right
now
there
may
be
multiple
court
proceedings
that
have
to
happen
and
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
put.
Essentially
all
these
questions
in
the
same
court
proceeding
in
front
of
one
judge
so
that
we
avoid
the
inconvenience
and
time
delays
of
potentially
having
multiple
court
proceedings,
because
the
goal,
as
you
stated,
is
to
get
to
get
kids
placed
permanently
as
as
quick
as
possible.
So
did
I
did
I
get
that
right.
I
Yes,
you
did
thank
you,
megan
lewis,
on
behalf
of
washington,
county
health
and
human
services.
That
is
accurate
to
be
clear.
I
believe
that
all
of
these
cases
are
heard
by
one
judge
throughout
the
state
I
mean
in
their
various
districts
and
counties,
but
it
is
multiple
court
proceedings
that
would
have
to
occur
under
the
existing
law,
which
we
are
hoping
to
streamline
moving
forward.
So
that
is
correct.
Thank
you.
Chairman.
A
Great,
thank
you.
I
think
that
makes
sense.
I
know
we're.
We've
all
had
a
long
week
so
trying
to
make
it
as
simple
as
I
can
for
everyone
on
the
committee.
I
know
we
we're
struggling
through
the
end
of
the
week
so
appreciate
that.
Do
I
have
questions
from
from
committee
members
if
you
could
maybe
raise
your
hands
in
front
of
your
screens
or
communicate
in
some
other
fashion.
A
I
Megan
lucy
the
thank
you
chair
or
through
the
chair
to
assembly
person,
megan
lucy
on
behalf
of
washington,
county
health
and
human
services.
These
amendments
were
made
to
streamline
the
language
that
we
proposed
initially,
as
you
will
see
through
the
initial
bill,
we
added
substantial
language
that
mirrored
the
one
126
code
as
it
sat.
I
However,
upon
review
of
the
additional
language
and
inclusion,
we
realized,
through
the
conversation
with
the
many
stakeholders
throughout
the
state
of
nevada,
that
this
could
be
done
in
a
more
efficient
and
less
cumbersome
manner.
We
simply
took
out
the
language
that
we
added
to
432b
that
existed
in
126
and
added
that
the
126
existing
language,
then
would
apply
to
432b
actions.
So,
in
effect,
all
we
did
was
take
what
we
included
out
of
126
and
then
put
the
number
nrs432e
to
be
applied
in
the
126
statute.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
was.
It
was
well
done
because
I
gotta
admit
I'm
pretty
impressed
that
you
were
able
to
accomplish
what
you
wanted
by
deleting
most
of
the
bill
and
really
just
adding
a
couple
of
words.
So
you
know
I
think,
committee
members
when,
if
and
when
we
process
this,
we
have
an
official
amendment.
Obviously
it'll
probably
be
a
little
easier
to
digest
but
appreciate
the
effort
to
get
it
right.
So
we'll
go
next
to
assemblywoman,
krasner
and
then
assemblywoman
cohen,
go
ahead
assembly,
woman,
prisoner.
F
You
know,
I'm
not
sure
which
presenter
would
like
to
answer
this
question,
but
several
of
the
people
here
on
the
judiciary
committee
did
not
attend
law,
school
and
so
just
talking
about
particular
nrs
sections
doesn't
explain
the
bill
to
them
and
I'm
wondering
if
somebody
could
actually
walk
through
the
amendment
and
describe
what
they
are
proposing
to
do
with
this
bill.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
As
it
stands
right
now,
there
would
have
had
been
a
separate
adjudicat,
adjudicatory
hearing
a
separate
hearing
in
front
of
a
separate
court
to
establish
that
this
mother,
particular
mother
or
father
in
this
case,
were
those
parents
that
needed
to
be
terminated
from
the
life
of
that
child
before
they
can
be
placed
in
their
forever
family.
That
was
the
purpose
of
that
inclusion
scrolling
down
to
the
sub
2
of
that
same
section.
That
is
the
reverse
that
the
man
may
be
established
under
this
chapter,
432
b.
So
what
this
does
is.
I
It
helps
establish
paternity
through
the
dna
biological
testing.
Once
there
is
a
dna
testing
that
is
99.9,
conclusive,
that
that
person,
either
mother
or
father,
is
the
paternal
parent
to
that
child.
That
would
be
a
legal
conclusion
that
they
are
then
the
paternal
parent
that
would
lead
to
the
termination.
That
would
then
ultimately
lead
to
the
placement
through
adoption
in
the
forever
family.
I
I
What
this
means
is
that,
instead
of
having
separate
court
actions,
which
is
a
paternity
action
to
establish
fraternity
and
then
a
follow-up,
subsequent
dependency
action
to
process
the
child
through
the
system,
you
can
join
these
two
actions
into
one
legal
hearing
and
have
both
issues
heard
at
the
same
time
by
the
same
court.
So
as
we
articulated
previously,
this
would
alleviate
the
additional
multiple
court
hearings
and
would
allow
the
establishment
of
paternity
either
mother
or
father
at
the
same
time,
for
the
same
processes
of
the
dependency
action.
I
All
information
pertaining
to
this
information
of
child
welfare
institutions
or
agencies
is
deemed
confidential
and
is
punishment
by
law.
The
reason
why
that
is
important
in
these
actions
is
because
this
these
dependency
actions
have
incredibly
sensitive
information
regarding
these
minor
children
and
their
families.
I
Therefore,
with
this
proposed
language,
we
are
excluding
the
orders
from
the
confidentiality
provision
that
is
already
contained
in
432b
sub
280,
so
that
the
appealable
methods
can
be
utilized
and
these
orders
can
be
used
to
take
it
up
to
a
higher
court
if
it
ever
is
become
an
issue.
That
is
the
purpose
of
excluding
a
particular
order
from
those
prior
confidentiality
provisions.
I
A
judgment
or
order,
pursuant
to
this
chapter
within
a
proceeding
in
nrs432b,
is
considered
a
final
order.
That
is
also
for
the
particular
appellate
processes.
You
need
to
have
it
to
be
a
pellet
or
a
final
order
before
it
can
be
appealed
up
to
a
higher
court.
So
that
is
simply
allowing
the
mechanism
that
is
required
through
the
constitution,
that
all
actions
be
appealable
to
a
higher
court.
If
it's
deemed
necessary.
I
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
walking
through
that
amendment.
I
appreciate
it
so
430
do
432
b
proceedings
are
are
inclusive
of
termination
of
parental
rights,
and
I
know
that
that's
been
referred
to
as
the
death
penalty.
The
civil
death
penalty.
F
I
I
understand
we
want
to
protect
children,
make
sure
that
neglected
children
are
abused,
children
get
in
their
forever
home,
but
on
on
the
opposite
side,
we
always
look
at.
You
know
potential
unintended
consequences
of
a
bill.
Are
we
making
sure
here
that
we're
not
too
quickly
terminating
parental
rights?
Currently,
if
it
has
to
go
through
a
different
judge
or
different
proceedings?
F
If
there's
an
error
or
something's
missed
and
one
judge
might
see
what
another
judge
may
have
you
know
inadvertently
missed
are?
Are
we
making
sure
we're
not
terminating
parental
rights
too
quickly
with
this?
Thank
you.
H
So
amber
howell
for
the
record
through
the
chair
to
the
assemblywoman.
This
doesn't
fast
track
determination
of
parental
rights
quicker.
We
I
you
know,
we
believe
in
100,
in
what
you
said.
Children
should
stay
with
their
parents
if
they
can
it's
better,
if
we
can
heal
the
family
and
keep
them
in
their
home
with
their
biological
parents
and
not
have
all
of
these
other
additional
traumatic
events,
there
are
federal
time
frames
around
when
you
can
even
move
an
adoption
track
or
termination
of
parental
rights.
H
You
have
to
show
active
and
diligent
efforts
through
the
court
system,
all
kinds
of
things
it
takes
about
two
years
of
working
with
the
family,
so
this
doesn't
speed
up
how
quickly
we
terminate
the
parental
rights.
This
streamlines
the
the
declaration
and
the
paternity
to
make
sure
prove
the
you
know
if
they
are
the
biological
parent,
but
it
doesn't,
we
want
to
give
equal
efforts
to
both
sides,
the
child
and
the
parents.
H
So
this
won't
change
that,
because
we
have
to,
we
have
to
give
parents
a
a
good
amount
of
time
and
we
want
to
because
we
want
to
try
and
exhaust
all
efforts
before
we
go
down
that
path,
because
we
know
that
we
don't
take
the
finality
minimally
and
we
know
it's
very
difficult
for
all
involved.
So
this
will
not
change
that.
F
C
Thank
you
sharon.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
think
you
covered
my
questions
already,
although
I
guess
I
do
just
have
a
statement.
The
the
section
13
sub
13
sub
7
section,
the
confidentiality
piece
that
I.
C
I
guess
I'll
just
say
it:
I
I
find
that
a
bit
confusing
the
way
it's
drafted
and
I've
heard
that
from
another
practitioner
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
we
can
kind
of
clarify
that
as
you're
working
on
the
on
the
final
amendment
yeah
so.
J
So
I
guess
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
G
E
Thank
you
danny,
mr
chair
to
the
committee.
I
think
that
the
simple
clarification,
and,
first
and
foremost
I
apologize
you
know
a
bunch
of
lawyers
presenting
a
bill
that
makes
sense
to
them
is
likely
to
be
unclear
period,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
help
with
that.
E
Let's
start
with
the
very
basics,
the
432
b
section
that
is
being
combined
with
126
432
b,
is
the
absolute
guideline
that
every
judicial
officer
has
to
follow
with
respect
to
any
consideration
of
the
care
and
custody
of
children
who
come
into
the
foster
side
of
the
court.
That
process
is
not
in
any
way
affected
by
joining
it
to
or
taking
126
and
pulling
it
into
432
b.
E
All
of
the
check
marks
all
of
the
boxes
that
are
so
important
to
be
sure
that
we
are
putting
a
child
into
the
adoption
track
number
one
that
we
are
protecting
the
rights
of
all
parties.
All
of
that
is
remains
exactly
the
same.
Nothing
changes.
E
We
simply
bring
everything
about
the
process
into
one
place
and-
and
I
think
the
question
about
having
one
or
two
judges
looking
at
cases
or
issues
within
those
cases
is
important,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
the
national
gold
standard
for
taking
care-
and
I
use
that
term
carefully,
because
indeed
a
judicial
officer
who
sits
in
a
432
b
or
a
dependency
court
is
taking
care
of
the
child.
E
E
So
with
one
judge
looking
at
everything
up
to
and
including
this
determination
or
establishment
of
fraternity,
it
is
likely
to
be
less
subject
to
error,
and
that
leads
me
to
the
final
question
about
the
order
in
section
13
that
assemblywoman
cohen
mentioned.
I
think
that
perhaps
we
can
clarify
that
language,
but
all
that
really
does
is
we
keep
all
of
the
information
about
the
432b
proceedings
protected
and
confidential,
but
this
section
allows
for
an
order.
E
The
final
determination,
the
final
status
it
allows
for
that
to
be
taken
out
on
appeal,
if
necessary,
so
it's
protecting
the
information
that
comes
from
the
proceeding
below
but
allows
for
there
to
be
enough
information
that
if
something
needs
to
be
put
through
the
appellate
track,
that
information
is
accessible.
I
hope
that
clears
it
up.
432
b
is
your
guideline.
A
A
This
is
essentially
a
conceptual
amendment
because
it
was
prepared
by
the
sponsor
so
that
language
may
look
different
and
probably
will
look
a
little
bit
different
when
it
comes
out
from
legal
in
terms
of
the
order
and
the
confidentiality
and
I'll
have
a
chance
to
review
that
and
sign
off
on
it
before
we
would
send
the
bill
to
the
floor.
So
I'll
just
make
a
note
to
make
sure
that
that
language
looks
okay
and
we
do
the
best
we
can,
but
obviously
lcb
legal
has
their
own
processes
in
their
own
language.
A
C
Chairman,
I
didn't
go
to
law
school
either,
but
it's
pretty
clear
to
me.
It
looks
like
you're
just
consolidating
everything
you're
putting
it
all
under
one
umbrella,
you're,
speeding
it
up,
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you,
that's
exactly
what
we
should
be
doing
here
thanks
very
much.
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
further
questions,
so
I
want
to
thank
the
four
of
you
for
presenting
I'll.
Ask
you
to
sit
tight
for
just
a
moment
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
concluding
remarks
after
we
take
testimony
at
this
time,
I'll
open
it
up
for
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
33,
don't
believe
we
have
anyone
on
the
zoom
with
us
in
support,
if
I'm
mistaken
about
that,
if
you
could
turn
your
camera
on
and
just
indicate
that
you'd
like
to
testify
and
support.
A
G
G
G
C
A
G
K
Good
morning,
terry
yeager
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
this
is
kendra
burchie
k-e-n-d-r-a
b-e-r-t-s-c-h-y,
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
Our
office
represents
parents
who
are
involved
in
the
432-b
actions.
We
support
ab33
with
the
conceptual
amendment.
I
appreciate
the
sponsors
for
working
with
us
to
ensure
that
we
strike
a
balance
to
protect
our
the
parents,
constitutional
rights,
as
well
as
streamline
the
process
for
all.
Thank
you
again
for
allowing
me
to
participate
in
those
discussions,
and
that
is
my
testimony.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
bps.
Before
I
close
support,
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
for
the
record
and
so
committee
members
know
that
there
is.
There
are
a
couple
of
exhibits
on
nellis,
one
of
which
is
a
letter
of
support
by
the
clark
county
department
of
administrative
services,
and
then
I
don't
know
if
we'll
hear
from
them,
there's
also
a
statement
from
carson
city
that
they
are
removing
their
proposed
fiscal
note
based
on
the
amendment
to
the
bill,
so
I
will
close
supportive
testimony
I'll
now
open
it
up
for
opposition
testimony.
A
A
G
G
A
Thank
you,
bps
appreciate
it.
I
will
close
neutral
testimony.
We
are,
will
now
come
back
for
concluding
remarks.
Miss
stapleton
others
on
the
zoom
with
us.
If
you
want
to
make
some
concluding
remarks,
now
would
be
the
time.
G
Thank
you,
chair
yeager,
dagny
stapleton
for
the
record,
thanks
again
for
hearing
this
committee
thanks
to
the
committee
members,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
questions
in
the
discussion.
Please
follow
up
with
us
if
there's
additional
questions
or
clarifications
that
we
can
offer
offline.
G
I
did
want
to
note,
as
the
chair
mentioned,
that
there
were
some
fiscal
notes
submitted
on
the
bill
from
counties
and
both
of
the
counties
with
fiscal
notes
who
noted
an
impact,
did
submit
letters
that
are
on
nellis,
indicating
that,
with
the
amendment,
their
fiscal
impacts,
their
concerns
had
been
alleviated
and
I
believe
we
did
have
a
representative
from
clark
county
who
was
ready
to
provide
testimony
and
support,
but
there
were
technical
difficulties
so
so,
on
behalf
of
our
members,
our
members
are
in
support
of
this
issue
and
carson
city
and
clark
county
specifically
are
good
on
the
fiscal
note
on
the
fiscal
impact
portion
of
the
bill.
G
A
Thank
you
before
we
do
that.
I
I
wanted
to
note.
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
clark
county
yesterday
and
they
did
indicate
in
fact
that
they
were
supportive
of
the
amendment.
I
think
it
was
mr
ortiz
who
maybe
was
going
to
be
on
the
line.
So
if
we
could
just
note
for
the
record
that
I
at
least
had
that
conversation-
and
they
they
told
me
the
same
so
we
apologize.
A
E
To
the
chair
and
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
I
only
want
to
thank
you
most
sincerely
personally
and
professionally
on
behalf
of
your
time
and
your
energy
that
you
put
into
this
bill.
Thank
you
for
hearing
us
this
morning.
Of
course,
I
would
urge
that
you
consider
it
as
a
a
do
pass
when
it
is
properly
amended.
Thank
you
so
much.
H
Amber
hall
for
the
record
just
wanted
to
thank
the
committee
for
having
a
great
discussion
about
this
important
issue
and
all
the
support
that
we
can
get
to
to
get
children
in
their
forever
home
when
it's
when
it's
time
to
do
that.
I
appreciate
all
of
your
time
today.
A
A
With
that
hearing
behind
us,
I
will
close
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill.
33
members
will
move
along
to
our
second
bill
on
the
agenda
and
I
will
now
formally
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
182
assembly
bill
182
revises
the
elements
of
the
crime
of
advancing
prostitution
and
members
of
the
committee.
Members
who
might
or
individuals
may
be
watching
on
the
public
likewise
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
there
is
a
proposed
amendment
I
believe
on
nellis.
Let
me
just
check
to
make
sure,
or
maybe
there
is
not.
A
I
can't
remember
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
but
I
want
to
welcome
back
to
the
committee
assemblywoman
tolls,
who
was
on
the
committee
the
last
couple
of
sessions.
We
certainly
miss
you
here
in
the
assembly,
judiciary,
committee
and
we're
happy
to
have
you
back
this
morning.
So
we'll
give
you
a
chance
to
present
assembly
bill
182
and
then
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions.
So
welcome
back
and
please
go
ahead
when
you're
ready.
J
J
I
served
on
judiciary
for
two
terms,
and
I
can
I
know
firsthand
just
how
hard
working
this
committee
is
and
how
you
tackle
so
many
complex
issues,
so
many
issues
that
often
carry
so
much
passion
and
emotion
and
truly
impact
people's
lives,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
recognize
that
you
do
the
state
of
nevada,
great
service
to
serve
on
this
committee
and
to
be
willing
to
dive
into
those
difficult
issues,
and-
and
so
I
just
want
to
start
with
backing
up
a
little
bit
with
since
I
I
am
not
on
this
committee
and
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
hear
each
other's
stories
as
much
as
in
the
past.
J
I
want
to
share
just
a
little
bit
of
my
journey
into
this
particular
particular
topic
and
into
the
legislature
as
well.
My
journey
into
legislative
work
actually
was
in
part
as
an
advocate
for
child
sexual
abuse
prevention
and
over
the
years
that
led
me
to
learn
more
about
issues
of
human
trafficking
in
our
state
and
just
how
prevalent
these
issues
are,
and
over
the
years
I've
had
the
opportunity
and
the
privilege
of
working
with
many
stakeholders
from
victim
advocacy
groups,
the
attorney
general's
office
law
enforcement,
district,
attorneys,
public
defenders,
interest
groups,
individuals,
the.
J
Community
and
including
the
nevada
resort
association,
and
I'm
just
so
incredibly
grateful
for
the
work
of
all
these
stakeholders
in
providing
input
on
all
legislation
that
we
look
at
in
regards
to
these
issues,
and
over
the
years
I
have
had
the
privilege
of
both
presenting
and
supporting
legislation
addressing
issues
of
sexual
abuse,
assault
and
human
trafficking,
and
that
actually
also
led
to
starting
a
northern
nevada
sex
trafficking
task
force.
J
With
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
reno,
hillary
cheevy,
which
engaged
engages
in
northern
nevada,
all
of
those
stakeholders
and
anytime
that
we
talk
about
this
issue,
I
often
look
at
it
through
three
different
components:
the
demand
side,
addressing
the
buyers
traffickers,
addressing
those
who
exploit
individuals
and
abuse
them,
and
then
the
victims
and
in
everything
we
do
and
any
time
we
have.
This
conversation.
J
I
believe
it's
incredibly
important
that
we
always
take
a
victim-centered
approach
and
again
I've
had
the
privilege
of
supporting
and
presenting
information
or
legislation
that
has
addressed
each
of
these
aspects.
But
this
particular
bill
addresses
legislation
that
this
body
successfully
passed
in
the
2019
session,
ab166
that
very
narrowly
specifically
addressed
individuals
who
were
using
their
businesses
as
a
front
or
sex
trafficking,
and
so
I'd
like
to
present
to
you,
ab-182,
which
revises
the
elements
of
previous
legislation
relating
to
advancing
prostitution
and
so
last
session.
J
Since
its
successful
passage
in
2019,
I
was
approached
to
bring
forward
this
legislation
by
the
southern
nevada
human
trafficking
task
force
to
clarify
some
of
the
language
in
nrs
201.395,
based
on
input
from
the
attorney
general's
office,
law
enforcement,
criminal
justice
representatives,
victims
advocates
and
businesses
and
generous
generally
speaking,
ab182
refines
the
enforcement
language
of
nrs
201.395,
while
maintaining
protections
for
businesses
not
knowingly
engaged
in
this
and
illegal
activity.
J
J
Thank
you
so,
and
I
do
want
to
clarify.
There
is
no
amendment
as
of
yet
for
this
bill
and
in
great
part,
because
of
all
the
stakeholder
input.
I
hope
at
a
time
to
get
the
language
just
right,
so
section
1.1
clarifies
an
individual
knows.
These
crimes
are
occurring
if
they
received
written
notice
by
law
enforcement.
J
As
section
1.3
removes
the
requirement
that
law
enforcement
must
notify
the
individual
three
times
and
reduces
it
to
one
written
notice,
because
law
enforcement
couldn't
take
action
until
three
known
incidents,
which,
of
course
prolonged
being
able
to
help
those
victims
and
became
too
resource.
Intensive
and
section
1.3
removes
the
abatement
step
of
promoting
ongoing
education
about
such
illegal
prostitution
for
employees,
because
it
created
too
large
of
a
loophole
for
a
business
to
simply
hang
a
poster
as
a
defense
for
taking
steps
to
abate
prostitution.
J
So
chair
yeager.
That
concludes
my
presentation
of
ab182
and,
with
your
permission,
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
we
have
nicole
riley
domestic
violence.
Ombudsman
for
the
office
of
the
attorney
general
lieutenant
corey
salforino,
with
the
washington
county,
sheriff's
office,
sergeant,
scott
smith,
with
the
heat
team,
human
exploitation
and
trafficking
unit
at
jenny,
noble
with
the
washoe
county
d.a,
and
I
believe,
lieutenant
nate
geo
with
las
vegas
metro
police
department
available
to
answer
any
technical
questions
as
they
come
up
from
the
committee.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
toll.
So
I
think
what
we'll
do
committee.
We
obviously
have
a
lot
of
folks
with
this
on
the
zoom,
and
I
take
it
that
many
of
them
will
probably
provide
testimony
in
support,
but
they're
also
here
for
questions.
So
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
take
questions
first,
realizing
that
we
may
be
hearing
answers
from
some
folks
who
haven't
had
a
chance
to
speak
on
the
bill
yet,
but
I
think
that
probably
makes
the
most
sense
and
so
I'll
I'll
start
with
one.
A
Just
while
I
have
the
bill
open-
and
you
know
this,
this
may
be
one
for
you,
assemblywoman
or
maybe
one
for
law
enforcement,
and
so
the
question
really
is
you
know
the
trigger
here
is
if,
if
a
business
receives
written
notice
from
a
law
enforcement
agency,
that
illegal
prostitution
is
happening
on
the
premises,
and
my
question
is
what
would
that
written
notice
look
like?
Is
that
a
copy
of
a
police
report
or
how
do
we
envision?
A
L
Chair
yeager
members
of
the
committee
corey
sultrinel,
representing
the
washoe
county
sheriff's
office
and
on
behalf
of
the
heat
team
sergeant,
scott
smith,
detective
sergeant
over
our
human
exploitation
and
trafficking
team.
What
we
envision
here,
sir,
is
a
after
a
formal
investigation.
We've
identified
that
this
activity
is
happening
on
the
premises
at
a
certified
letter
with
a
copy
of
the
police
report
and
explicit
notification
of
the
crime
that
is
occurring
would
be
rendered
to
that
business,
establishment,
providing
a
a
record
of
notification
versus
just
happenstance
or
perhaps
three
different
ones.
A
H
Is
to
section
one
subsection,
1a.
H
And
I'm
wondering
why?
Because,
as
I
read
it,
leaving
that
there
would
help
in
a
greater
scale
right,
so
I'm
wondering
what
the
thought
process
was
and
taking
that
portion
out.
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question
chair,
yeager
through
you
to
assembly
member
marzola,
so
that
was
based
on
legal's
interpretation
and
I
do
agree
with
it
that
essentially,
once
you
receive
notification,
we
have
proof
of
receipt
of
notification
that
that
that
determines
that
that
individual
owning
that
business
is
does
have
knowledge
and
you're.
Correct
that
should
have
known
would
broaden
it.
But
we
wanted
to
be
very
cautious
about
making
sure
that
this
didn't
unwittingly
apply
to
business
owners
who
did
not
have
knowledge.
C
Thank
you
and
it's
good
to
see
you
assemblywoman
I.
So
I
have
a
question
about
the
notification
piece
and
and
what
that
covers.
So
if,
for
instance,
you
have
a
situation
where
you
have
a
laundromat,
the
owner
of
the
laundromat
gets
noticed,
and
so
he
kind
of
shuffles
out
the
people
that
are
involved
and
then
a
week
later,
six
months
later,
new
people
come
in
or
and
and
start
kind
of
using
his
facility.
C
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
It's
a
great
clarifying
question
and
again
our
intent
and
goal
here
is
to
is
to
truly
help
create
a
process
by
which
we
can
identify,
who
is
knowingly
and
actively
engaging
in
this
activity
of
exploiting
abusing
and
trafficking
victims
versus
somebody
who
is
not.
So
this
puts
forth
that
you
know
in
each
instance.
It's
a
separate
instance.
It's
followed
by
a
receipt
of
notice
and
then
cooperation
with
law
enforcement
to
take
steps
to
abate,
but
there
is
no
graduating
penalties
or
graduation
of
incidents.
J
M
As
I
read
the
language
of
the
bill,
it
would
be
that
each
notice
by
law
enforcement
would
regard
a
discrete
set
of
transaction
or
occurrences
that
led
them
to
give
the
notice
in
the
first
place,
and
so
if
a
property
owner
takes
action
with
respect
to
that
notice
in
terms
of
the
abatement
that
is
listed,
I
believe
in
section
three
of
the
bill
83c
that
would
satisfy
it
for
that
occurrence.
If
a
new
set
of
folks
move
in
and
they're
engaged
in
the
same
type
of
activity.
I
C
You
for
that-
and
I
guess
I
just
want
to
I
I
don't
know
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
play
out
all
the
scenarios,
because
what,
if
it's
the
same
pimp,
but
it's
different
women.
M
If
you
have,
for
example,
the
same
pimp
but
different
women
is
still
different
or
or
men,
it's
still
different
individuals
engaging
in
the
prohibited
conduct
on
the
property
owner's
property.
So
I
I
think
this
same
analogy
would
apply
where
you
would
need
to
have
a
subsequent
notice
by
law
enforcement.
F
That's
like
three
times
in
the
last
24
hours.
That's!
Okay!
Thank
you,
rochelle
wynn.
For
the
record,
it's
good
to
see
you
assemblywoman
tolls.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
this
was
clarification.
Obviously,
from
last
session
and
some
clean
up
and
clarification,
I
don't
know
I
I
received
it
pretty
late.
Last
night
there
was
a
letter
from
unlv
professor
barbara
brentz.
F
I
don't
know
if
you
have
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
some
of
her
concerns
regarding
assembly,
bill
182,
but
one
of
the
ones
that
I
saw
in
there,
which
was
kind
of
interesting.
She
had
a
couple
of
interesting
points
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
address
some
of
that.
One
of
them
was
the
policy
that
assembly
bill
182
punishes
the
property
owner
for
purportedly
allowing
prostitution,
which
is
a
misdemeanor
crime
and
it's
punishable
for
the
owner
as
a
felony,
and
so
not
all
like
prostitution
involves
sex
trafficking.
F
Is
there
any
kind
of
clarification
that
we
might
be
able
to
do,
and
I'm
wondering
how,
like
some
of
these
retail
association
and
businesses,
feel
about
law
enforcement,
kind
of
having
unlimited
access
to
their
facilities
to
go?
Undercover
and
surveil
for
a
felony
threat
for
misdemeanor
crimes
in
this
area,
so
I
was
wondering
what
kind
of
conversations
have
taken
place
with
the
stakeholders.
F
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question
through
you,
chair,
yeager,
to
vice
chairwin.
I
I
do
appreciate
and
I
have
not.
J
I
don't
have
that
letter
in
front
of
me,
but
I
do
appreciate
first
of
all,
conversations
and
input
from
all
the
stakeholders,
and
I
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
for
a
moment
that
that
this
legislation
is,
you
know,
intended
to
be
very
narrow
in
its
scope
and
then
its
application,
and
I
would
encourage
the
individuals
in
this
committee
to
perhaps
go
back
to
ab166,
because
if
I
recall
it
was
quite
a
lengthy
hearing,
I
think
about
two
and
a
half
hours
with,
I
believe
about
a
40
minute
presentation,
presenting
cases
which
brought
forward
the
justification
for
why
we
needed
something
specifically
in
statute
and
to
be
able
to
charge
individuals
who
were
knowingly
engaging
in
this
activity.
J
But
it's
important
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
much
broader,
complex
discussion
overall
in
our
state
around
how
we
address
holistically
all
of
these
issues,
and
I
do
appreciate
stakeholders
who
continue
to
engage
in
those
discussions
even
outside
of
the
scope
of
what
this
legislation
hopes
to
accomplish
and-
and
I
support
those
discussions.
Continuing
on
the
broader
holistic
scale,
I
I
want
to
reference
back
specifically
to
ab166
and
something
that
we
made
very
clear
on
the
record
when
we
first
presented
this
legislation
that
I
want
to
quote
again.
J
So
that's
clear
on
the
record
today
and
that
was
when
I
presented
ab166.
I
presented
it
with
director
chuck
callaway
and
he
ended
his
closing
comments
with
this,
and
I
echo
them
that
I
want
to
emphasize
that
this
bill
is
not
directed
at
victims
or
sex
workers.
It
is
directed
at
business
owners
who
are
facilitating
and
trafficking
victims,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
myself
and
my
husband
are
commercial
property
owners.
We
have
120
tenants
in
downtown
and
midtown
reno,
including
massage
parlors,
tattoo
parlors,
nail
salons.
J
I
don't
believe
assembly,
woman
cohen,
that
we
have
any
laundry
mats
in
our
portfolio,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
always
asking
questions
in
regards
to
how
this
might
be
applied
to
various
business
settings
and
so
as
a
property
owner
myself
of
commercial
properties
with
tenants.
J
We
read
this
language
and
reached
out
to
others
in
the
business
community
to
make
sure
that
it
was
narrowly
tailored
in
such
a
way,
which
is
why
we
added
that
it
was
receipt
of
written
notice
and
that
it
involves
cooperating
with
law
enforcement,
I'll,
let
law
enforcement
step
in
and
share
a
little
bit
more
about
their
current
process
and
how
we've
seen
this
play
out
in
recent
years.
J
The
last
thing
I'd
like
to
add,
though,
is
that
we
have
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
over
the
interim
directly
in
response
to
concerns
raised
by
advocates
and
stakeholders
around
taking
a
trauma-informed
approach,
a
victim-centered
approach
with
law
enforcement
when
they
engage
with
these
businesses
and
when
they
engage
with
individuals
in
in
these
activities.
That,
again,
that
intent
is
not
to
to
target
or
to
arrest
the
victims
for
the
workers,
but
to
really
narrowly
define
and
identify
those
individuals
knowingly
exploiting
abusing
and
trafficking
through
their
businesses.
L
Unfortunately,
you
know
we
were
kind
of
late
to
the
game.
We've
been
listening
to
the
legislative
body
for
the
last
several
sessions
and
the
importance
with
human
trafficking
and
forming
our
own
task
force
under
her
experience
and
tutelage
and
bringing
all
the
stakeholders,
together
from
the
casino
industry,
from
the
regional
transportation,
commission
law
enforcement,
the
public
defender's
office,
the
da's
office
aclu,
bringing
everybody
in
the
same
room
to
address
these
problems
and
the
best
practices
and
evidence-based
solutions
to
ending
and
combating
human
trafficking
or
aggressive
prosecution.
L
Taking
that
victim
centers
approach
and
reducing
demand,
and
we
believe
by
holding
business
owners
accountable
for
these
types
of
instances
when
they
occur,
we
can
champion
that
endeavor
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
want
to
say
just
before.
I
conclude
my
comments
at
least
on
this
piece
is
that
the
education
campaign
in
this
is
huge.
This
is
not
a
victimless
crime.
A
lot
of
these
women
and
men
are
brainwashed.
L
They're
taken
as
adolescents,
their
vulnerable
population,
they
don't
know
what
they
don't
know,
unfortunately,
so
some
of
the
the
ways
that
we
try
to
reach
out
to
them
and
we
try
to
get
them
to
trust
law
enforcement
is
a
very
extensive
process
and
you
know
detective
smith,
and
I
were
talking
about
a
juvenile
that
we've
been
going
after
for
the
last
several
several
months
that
we've
recovered
14
times
or
not
14
times,
I'm
sorry,
four
times
as
a
14
year
old,
now,
16
year
old,
over
the
co
over
the
course
of
several
different
states
and
jurisdictions
trying
to
get
her
the
services
that
she
needs
to
recover.
L
All
this
is
an
accountability
piece
for
business
owners
after
a
thoughtful
investigation,
where
we
have
identified
that
this
problem
is
occurring
on
their
premises
and
in
northern
nevada
and
the
year
that
we've
been
operating
under
the
human
exploitation
and
trafficking
team,
we
have
not
sent
a
formalized
letter
to
anyone.
Yet
we
have
not
identified
those
entities.
A
lot
of
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
doing
the
reverse
john
operations,
where
we
are
targeting
those
attempts.
L
We
are
targeting
those
johns
once
we
get
past
co-fit
and
we
continue
on
this
endeavor
and
we
start
identifying
those
businesses
be
happy
to
share
our
process
with
you.
We're,
like
I
said,
we're
a
little
late
to
the
game
and
metro's
been
championing
this
effort
for
several
years.
We
don't
want
to
steal
their
thunder,
but
we
want
to
address
a
crime
that
is
running
prevalent
in
northern
nevada,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
state.
J
If
you
notice
in
section
three
under
the
steps
two
of
eight,
we
have
three
steps
there
and
it's
very
important
to
note
that
it's
an
or
not
an,
and
so
business
owners
do
not
need
to
meet
the
standard
of
all
three
of
those
steps
and
they
can
meet
any
one
of
those
steps
in
order
to
demonstrate
that
they
are
taking
steps
to
abate
and
not
guilty
of
this
category
c
felony
brought
forth
in
this
chapter.
F
A
C
Thank
you
chair
good
morning,
southern
woman
tolls.
It's
good
to
see
you
and
appreciate
the
presenters
that
are
here.
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
would
be
a
good
idea.
We
certainly
always
want
to
be
careful
with
legislation
about
protecting
due
process
for
individuals,
but
I
remember,
as
my
first
session
in
2019
and
first
time
on
this
committee
when
the
other
legislation
came
through.
I
was
really
surprised
at
how
what
kind
of
a
problem
we
have
with
some
businesses
being
fronts
for
this
sort
of
activity.
C
So
perhaps
law
enforcement
could
give
us
an
overview,
especially
for
those
who
are
new
of
some
real
world
examples
that
are
occurring
in
our
communities,
just
to
the
degree
that
these
fronts
are
so
insidious
or
so
under
the
radar,
and
that
this
kind
of
legislation
can
be
helpful
with.
So
it's
just
some
real
world
examples.
J
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Assemblywoman
hansen
through
you,
chair,
yeager
and
I'll
just
start
briefly
with
it.
Just
so
happened
in
2019.
When
we
brought
forward
this
legislation,
there
was
quite
a
national
focus
specifically
on
illicit
massage
parlors
that
were
very
specifically
using
their
their
businesses
to
traffic
individuals.
J
We
had
a
number
of
cases
with
photographic
evidence
and
some
pretty
harrowing
stories
of
how
individuals
were
being
trafficked
and
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
just
in
massage
parlors.
It
was
also
we
had
a
case
of
a
a
tax
prep
service
that,
as
I
testified
in
2019,
didn't
have
a
computer
or
a
calculator
to
be
found,
but
eight
beds
and
11
asian
women
hiding
in
a
back
storage
room.
J
We
had
testimony
of
shoes
being
locked
into
locked
away,
cabinets,
ids,
being
taken
threats
of
physical
violence
against
the
victims
and
their
family
members
and
and
truly
some
of
the
worst
human
rights
violations.
You
could
imagine
I'll
let
our
law
enforcement
add
if
they
would
like
to
and
anything,
and
do
that.
L
Here
yeager
remembers
the
committee
corey
selfrino
again
for
the
record.
As
I
said,
we
were
a
little
late
to
the
game
as
far
as
getting
our
units
stood
up.
This
was
born
out
of
the
street
enforcement
team.
A
traditional
vice
narcotics
unit.
We
identified
the
need
sheriff
balaam
chief
soto
from
the
reno
police
department
chief
crawford
from
the
sparks
police
department,
understood
that
this
was
a
an
issue
that
was
coming
to
prominence
in
northern
nevada
and
dedicated
detectives
detective
sergeants
to
that
goal.
L
I'm
happy
to
report
that
over
the
next
six
months
we
do
anticipate
adding
an
additional
washoe
county
sheriff's
office,
detective,
an
additional
sparks
pd
detective
and
a
university
of
nevada,
reno
police.
Detective
to
further
these
efforts.
A
lot
of
our
operations
at
this
point
have
been
on
a
smaller
scale,
not
targeting
these
businesses.
Yet
historically,
we
do
look
at
massage
parlors
and
some
other
business
fronts
that
are
operating
under
different
covers
of
business,
licensing
and
then
provo
and
performing
these
sex
trades
behind.
L
We
have
not
identified
those
locations
in
northern
nevada
as
we
continue
to
grow
our
unit
in
seek
funding
for
advanced
operations.
That's
what
we
will
bring
in
reports
of
this
body-
las
vegas-
has
has
led
the
charge
on
this
for
several
years
and
has
obviously
more
examples.
We
can
speak
from
a
historical
context,
but
we
haven't
gotten
to
that
investigative
process
in
the
north.
Just
yet.
J
D
As
you
point
out,
it's
such
a
serious
problem
and
I
applaud
you
for
championing
assembly
district
assembly
bill
166
in
2019
and
also
trying
to
correct
refine
it
and
do
some
clean
up
and
number.
The
provisions
are
very
good
for
doing
that,
like
changing
the
nose
or
should
no
to
nose,
I
think
that's
an
important
way
to
to
refine
the
bill.
D
Well,
I
I'm
not
as
clear
on
you've
described
this
as
a
narrow
approach
to
address
the
human
trafficking
problem,
and
that
was
the
idea
in
once
in
2019
and
again,
today,
you've
talked
about
focusing
this
on
trafficking,
but
by
deleting
1b
on
page
2
lines
7
through
9,
the
involuntary
servitude
part,
and
I
understand
your
concern
about
the
conflict
between
class
b
and
class
c
felony
and
it
seems
to
me
there
might
be
a
simpler
and
narrower
way
to
fix
that,
because
by
deleting
it
entirely,
it's
no
longer
narrowly
focused
on
human
trafficking.
D
We,
this
statue
broadens
it
to
any
kind
of
prostitution,
and
that
means-
and
when
we
see
that
being
enforced,
we
tend
to
see
it
in
a
racially
dis,
disparate
way.
And
so
it
seems
like
you're,
you've
taken
a
very
narrow
approach
to
it
and
now
just
opened
up
the
waterfront
and
it's
gonna
have
a
lot
of
implications
that
doesn't
seem
like
you're
intending
with
your
focus
on
the
trafficking
problem.
C
J
I
appreciate
your
thoughtfulness
in
regards
to
this
topic
and
not
wanting
to
totally
re-hear
the
the
original
bill.
Maybe
I
left
out
a
few
clarifications
that
I
included,
so
if
I
may
go
back
to
some
of
the
things
that
we
had
on
record
in
ab166
to
address
yours
and
perhaps
some
other
concerns
that
might
help
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
the
context,
I
want.
F
J
Point
out
that
this
is
under
nrs
chapter
201
and
that
the
language
falls
under
the
exception
that
is
accept
as
otherwise
authorized
by
law
and
making
it
explicitly
clear
for
the
record
that
that,
except
as
otherwise
authorized
by
law,
does
not
impact
legal
sex
work
in
brothels
in
our
state
and
and
then
also.
J
I
was
very
sensitive
to
making
sure
that
this
was
captured
under
the
protections
for
victims
of
human
trafficking,
and
so
I
want
to
point
out
that
in
nrs
201.303
it
states
that
for
a
victim
of
sex
trafficking
or
facilitating
sex
trafficking,
there
is
a
rebuttable
presumption
that
the
person
who
committed
the
violation
and
acted
under
duress,
and
that
would
also
be
included
and
again
making
sure
that
we
always
keep
victims
in
mind.
And
the
original
bill
actually
only
had
this
new
law
in
regards
to
advancing
prostitution.
J
J
However,
again
it
was
pointed
out
to
me
after
we
passed
that
legislation
in
2019
that
it
was
not
a
good
match
for
this
chapter,
since
it
is
a
higher
standard
to
prove
at
a
category
b,
felony
level
and
didn't
necessarily
fall
in
line
with
a
category
c
felony
chapter
and
so
the
the
goal.
The
original
language
did
not
include
involuntary
servitude.
The
original
language
always
fell
within
this
chapter,
where
we
had
the
applicable
laws
to
address
this
issue.
J
M
M
I
think
0.300,
which
talks
about
pandering,
which
is
inducing
someone
to
be
a
prostitute
of
him
basically
and
sex
trafficking,
which
we
know
is
the
coercing
recruiting
individuals
to
engage
in
prostitution
under
some
sort
of
threat
or
duress,
so
that
type
of
activity,
when
it's
being
knowingly
allowed
on
a
premises,
is
something
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
capture
because
law
enforcement
has
to
have
the
ability
to
reduce
the
demand
for
the
commercial
sex
trade
and
whether
landlords
like
it
or
not.
They
are
part
of
this
ecosystem,
and
so
their
cooperation
is
critical.
M
So
if
a
property
owner
is
simply
turning
a
blind
eye
to
what's
going
on,
but
they
have
no
notice,
they
don't
have
to
be
worried
about
any
criminal
liability
it's
only
after
after
they
receive
this
certified
letter.
This
written
notice
that
this
is
going
on
that
they
have
an
obligation
to
undertake
one
of
the
three
different
types
of
abatement.
J
Thank
you
for
that
explanation
and
chair
yeager.
If
I
may
just
add
the
whole
genesis
of
this
need
for
legislation
in
the
first
place
was
because
one
when
law
enforcement
identified
that
these
activities
were
occurring
in
these
very
specific
instances,
we
did
not
have
a
statute
by
which
to
charge
the
individual
and
the
owner,
so
they
could
hide
behind
the
defense
that,
while
these
individuals
are
independent
contractors,
I
can't
be
held
liable
and.
C
J
Was
the
reasoning
behind
why
we
needed
this
statute?
If
you
could
imagine
how
incredibly
frustrating
that
would
be
to
know
that
somebody
is
actively
engaging
in
these
abusive
and
exploitive
activities
and
not
having
anything
in
the
law
to
be
able
to
charge
them
with?
That
was
the
purpose
of
bringing
forward
this
bill
and
and
again
to
narrow
its
application
in
its
implementation
and
enforcement.
D
Mr
chair,
please
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
david
orent,
liquor,
assembly,
district
20
for
the
record,
I'm.
I
understand
the
goal
of
making
sure
that
we
capture
the
landlords
who
turn
a
blind
eye
to
human
trafficking
or
coercion
or
inducement,
or
any
of
the
concerns
that
we've
prohibited
and
and
that's
important,
but
we,
the
statute,
doesn't
in
a
way
that
goes
beyond
those
situations.
It's
no
longer
just
the
coercion
or
the
inducement
or
the
trafficking,
sex
or
human
trafficking.
D
All
those
important
problems
that
we're
addressing
now
it
covers
the
landlord
who
leases
an
apartment
to
a
illegal
but
consensual,
sex
worker
who's
not
being
coerced
not
being
trafficked
and
and
now,
as
I
say,
even
they're,
going
to
be
very
reluctant
to
rent
an
apartment.
Even
though,
yes,
I
can
just
file
a
form
but
they're
also
facing
a
class
c
felony.
It's
probably
not
worth
it
and
again
it's
going
to
happen
in
a
racially
desperate.
A
Way
so
I
think
we'll
leave
that
question
there.
Maybe
there's
a
further
discussion
to
be
had
on
that
point,
but
I
think
I
understand
where,
where
both
assemblyman
orrin
licker
and
assemblyman
tolls
are
coming
from
on
that
particular
question.
So
I
would
invite
the
two
of
you
to
perhaps
talk
about
that
in
a
little
more
detail
after
the
meeting.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
way
I
read
this,
I
see
that
this
takes
the
people
who
don't
want
to
get
involved
and
gets
them
involved.
C
It
takes
the
people
that
are
already
involved
and
want
to
be
involved
and
actually
creates
a
punishment
for
those
people.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
way
that
I
would
simplify
this.
You
know
someone
rents
an
apartment,
for
instance,
to
someone
not
knowing
what
they're
doing
and
then
finds
out
later,
that
you
know
they're
using
their
apartment,
for
you
know
an
illicit
behavior
and
says.
Well,
I
don't
really
want
to
get
involved
in
this.
C
At
that
point,
you
know
they
have
a
reason
here
to
get
involved.
Am
I
am
I
correct,
assemblyman.
J
Again,
it's
it's
just
to
clearly
establish
the
record
of
a
written
notice
and
then
a
way
for
somebody
to
distinguish.
If
they
are,
you
know
knowingly
involved
with
this.
Then
we
have
a
statute
that
we
can
apply
to
you
charge
them,
and
if
they
are
not
knowingly
involved,
then
they
have
steps
that
they
can
utilize
to
to
work
with
law
enforcement
to
ensure
that
that
the
victims
are
protected
and
perpetrators
are
are
charged
appropriately
and
I'd
like
to
just
bring
us
back
to
you
again.
J
This
is
one
piece
of
a
very
lengthy
chapters
regarding
all
of
these
these
crimes
and
that
in
no
way
does
it
replace
other
other
charges
for
somebody
who
would
fall
under
many
of
the
other
statutes
and,
and
then
last
I
just
always
want
to
keep
coming
back
to
the
victim-centered
approach
and
the
fact
that
we
have
some
great
discussions
in
in
other
bills
in
this
legislative
session
that
I
look
forward
to
continuing
to
engage
in
to
avoid
what
I
hear
is
a
concern
here
where
we
might
be
in
a
situation
where
we
end
up.
J
So
thank
you
again
for
all
your
questions,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
clarify
the
intent
of
this
law
in
in
this
hearing
today,
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
and
having
ongoing
conversations
and
if
there
are
additional
language
or
wording
that
we
can
consider.
I
am
always
open
to
that
discussion.
Thank
you.
A
Any
further
questions
from
committee
members-
I'm
not
seeing
any
hands
raised
so
assemblywoman
tolls
want
to
thank
you
for
presenting
we'll
ask
you,
if
you're
able,
to
sit
tight
and
have
some
concluding
remarks,
but
I
also
know
that
you're
probably
supposed
to
be
in
another
meeting
right
now.
So
if
you
have
to
go
over
there,
we
will
not
hold
that
against
you.
A
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
now
is
go
to
supportive
testimony
on
assembly,
bill
182
and
I'm
assuming
the
folks
who
are
with
us
here
on
the
zoom
would
like
to
provide
supporting
testimony.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
just
kind
of
call
each
of
you
out
individually.
So
hopefully
this
will
be
orderly,
miss
riley.
Why
don't
we
start
with
you
if
you'd
like
to
provide
testimony
and
support
now
would
be
the
time.
Thank
you.
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much
chair
and
committee
members
for
the
record,
nicole,
riley,
ombudsman
for
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault
and
human
trafficking
at
the
nevada
office
of
the
attorney
general,
and
I
am
here
today
on
behalf
of
attorney
general
aaron
ford,
to
testify
in
support
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
jennifer,
noble
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
district
attorney's
association
in
the
washoe
county
district
attorney's
office
assembly.
Bill
182
is
an
important
step
in
refining
our
ability
in
our
toolbox
to
target
those
who
are
willfully
allowing
or
encouraging
sexual
exploitation
on
their
premises.
It
is
a
victim-centered
approach
that
ensures
that
no
property
owner
or
business
owner
will
be
caught
up
in
a
criminal
charge
unless
they
are
willfully
not
cooperating
with
the
police
and
not
reporting
the
activity.
M
A
L
Chairman
yeager,
the
committee
corey
salfrino,
representing
the
washoe
county
sheriff's
office.
We
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
tolls,
all
the
co-sponsors
and
primary
sponsors
of
this
bill
for
their
tireless
efforts.
This
is
not
just
something
that
we
address
during
legislative
seasons.
This
is
something
that
we
address
through
the
interim
and
our
champion
now
in
northern
nevada
on
a
daily
basis.
So
for
those
efforts
we
applaud
all
the
stakeholders
for
coming
together
and
really
trying
to
do
a
community-centered,
victim-centered
approach
on
these
pandemics
that
are
in
our
in
our
area.
We
encourage
your
support
of
ab182.
L
A
C
Yes,
mr
chair,
thank
you
good
morning,
members
of
committee,
nick
vasiliatas,
with
the
nevada
resort
association
for
the
record.
We
are
here
in
support
of
this
bill
and
would
like
to
thank
the
the
sponsor
for
working
with
all
the
interest
stakeholders
to
make
sure
we
got
this
bill
in
a
place
that
it
was
effective
without
you
know,
any
unintended
consequences
that
could
hurt
any
business
owners.
C
So
we
appreciate
all
the
work
from
all
the
other
other
existing
stakeholders
and-
and
you
know,
love
to
see
bills
that
evolve
over
sessions
to
develop
great
policy
for
the
state.
Thank
you.
A
G
C
G
C
Yes,
jeremy,
yeager
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee.
My
name
is
gary
landry
g-a-r-y
l-a-n-d-r-y,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
state
board
of
cosmetology,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
assembly
bill
182
we've
had
a
few
cases
of
prostitution
within
our
licensees.
Over
the
past
several
years
we
had
problems
until
assemblywoman
tolls
introduced
legislation
in
2019
to
make
it
easier
to
prosecute
those
cases.
C
G
O
A
Lieutenant
chio,
I
don't
think
we
need
real
world
examples.
I
would
commend
to
the
committee
if
you,
if
you're
interested
in
that
you
could
go
back
and
watch
last
session's
hearing
where
there
were
some
given
there,
but
lieutenant
chia
wanted
to
make
sure
he
didn't
have
any
other
remarks
before
we
moved
on.
O
A
G
G
C
L-A-U-R-E-N-B-O-I-T-E-L
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
impact
nv
and
the
chair
of
the
nevada
policy
council
on
human
trafficking,
which
is
a
diverse
cross-section
of
community
leaders
and
survivors
from
the
public,
private
and
ngo
sectors
coming
together
to
pursue
collaborative
long-term
systemic
strategies
to
decrease
sex
trafficking
in
our
state.
On
behalf
of
the
policy
council,
we
support
ab182.
C
We
think
it's
very
important
to
reduce
the
burden
on
law
enforcement,
to
prosecute
truly
bad
actors
who
are
hiding
behind
business
licenses,
to
exploit
vulnerable
women
and
children
and
to
support
victims
and
get
them
out
of
their
trafficking
situations,
and
we
think
it's
an
important
step
to
continue
nevada's
leadership
in
advancing
good
policies
and
state
laws
that
combat
human
trafficking.
So
we
are
in
support
and
appreciate
assembly
women's
whole
leadership
in
this
area.
Thank
you.
G
N
Want
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
continuing
to
tackle
this
problem
and
to
bring
needed
solutions.
We
want
all
business
owners
and
businesses
in
the
state,
especially
our
retailers,
to
act
within
the
law,
and
this
notification
will
allow
them
to
be
better
partners.
G
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee.
This
is
chuck
callaway,
c-a-l-l-a-w-a-y
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department,
director
of
intergovernmental
services.
I
know
lieutenant
chio
expressed
our
support
and
I'm
not
trying
to
take
two
bites
of
the
apple,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
to
just
clarify
a
couple
of
issues.
I
did
co-present
with
assemblywoman
toll's
last
legislative
session
on
this
very
important
piece
of
legislation
that
now
she
is
making
an
effort
to
tighten
up
and
clean
up
some
of
the
language,
and
this
is
very
important.
N
This
is
aimed
at
human
traffickers
who
are
using
businesses
as
a
front
to
profit
off
of
these
victims,
and
you
know
when
we
have
those
cases
like
she
mentioned,
of
tax
preparation
services
that
have
rooms
in
the
back
with
cots
and
cash
counting
machines
when
we
have
hotels
that
rent
rooms
by
the
hour-
and
they
have
bowls
of
condoms
in
the
front
where
you
check
in
and
they
know,
full
weld
that
women
are
being
trafficked
out
of
these
rooms
and
then,
when
law,
enforcement,
steps
in
the
victims
of
trafficking
are
afraid
to
say
anything,
they're
afraid
to
come
forward
many
times,
they're
illegal
immigrants
and
they're
afraid
that
they're
going
to
be
deported
back
to
their
country
of
origin,
and
they
don't
want
to
go
against
the
business
owner
and
these
business
owners
are
profiting
off
of
this.
N
This
is
not
legitimate
businesses
that
we're
targeting
here
it
is
traffickers.
So
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
the
committee's
concern
or
consideration
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
G
B
Good
morning,
chair
yeager
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
kim
yeager
k-I-m-y-a-e-g-e-r
and
I
am
the
director
of
marketing
and
member
relations
for
the
nevada,
trucking
association,
on
behalf
of
the
trucking
association
and
truckers
against
trafficking.
I'm
here
to
testify
in
support
of
ab182
the
nevada
trucking
association
has
made
it
a
priority
to
help
educate,
not
only
our
members
but
the
public
law
enforcement
and
related
industries
such
as
the
casinos
transit
and
real
estate
on
how
to
identify
the
signs
of
victims
being
trafficked
and
the
steps
to
take
to
help
rescue
the
victims.
B
Our
efforts
began
back
in
2012
when
we
launched
truckers
against
trafficking
here
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
partnered,
with
the
nevada's,
then
attorney
general
catherine,
cortes
masto,
in
a
campaign
to
educate
law
enforcement
and
the
public
about
sex
and
human
trafficking
within
our
state.
One
of
the
first
in
the
country
to
successfully
adopt
an
anti-human
trafficking
program.
B
Through
our
continued
efforts
to
help
combat
this
horrific
crime.
We
provide
an
in-depth
law
enforcement
training
through
truckers
against
trafficking
on
human
trafficking,
with
an
emphasis
on
a
victim-centered
approach
and
the
social
attitudes
that
contribute
to
and
misunderstanding
of
prostitution.
B
This
training
is
central
to
a
powerful
survivor's
testimony
with
her
perspectives
on
interactions
with
law
enforcement
that
she
encountered
during
covid.
Many
of
our
agencies
have
been
utilizing:
tats
training,
video
for
law
enforcement.
In
fact,
las
vegas
metro
police
department
will
be
training
an
estimated
3
000
officers
in
their
next
in
service.
B
A
Thank
you
bps,
and
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
there
are
some
letters
and
support
that
are
uploaded
to
nellis
under
the
exhibit
tab.
We
heard
from
a
few
of
those
individuals,
but
one
we
didn't
hear
from,
and
I
wanted
to
flag
that
there
was
a
letter
in
support
from
dignity.
Health
saint
rose
dominican
that
is
uploaded
on
nellis
as
well,
so
I'll
close
supportive
testimony.
I
will
now
open
opposition
testimony.
A
G
G
O
O
So
I'm
glad
to
see
that's
gone,
and
I
hope
that
whatever
happens,
that
that
does
get
stricken.
The
problem
with
this
particular
statute
is
twofold:
one.
It
does
make
ordinary
citizens-
and
I
appreciate
that
most,
if
not
all,
of
the
testimony
talks
about
trafficking,
which
is
you
know,
serious,
a
serious
concern,
an
exploitation,
a
serious
concern,
but
neither
of
those
words
appear
in
this
statute.
O
This
statute,
as
proposed
under
ab-182,
is
far
more
broad
and
that's
where
it
becomes
problematic.
It
essentially
creates
criminal
liability
for
those
who
are
passive
or
indirect
participants
by
either
giving
a
place
or
managing
a
business
where
the
police
unilaterally
claim,
without
any
manner
of
vetting,
that
a
single
act
of
prostitution
has
occurred.
Now
I
appreciate
some
of
the
testimony
about
it
being
certified
letter
and
thoughtful
investigation
and
arrest
reports,
but
none
of
that
is
required
in
this
particular
statute.
O
Indeed,
it
just
says
notice-
and
now
I
can
tell
you
anecdotally,
as
a
municipal
court
judge,
that
I
heard
many
cases
where
the
police
alleged
that
there
were
acts
of
prostitution
in
adult
cabarets
and,
most
of
the
time,
an
inordinate
amount
of
time.
Those
allegations
turned
out
to
be
false.
The
problem
with
the
statute
is,
it
has
no
threshold
of
proof.
There
is
no
procedure
to
challenge
that
particular
notice.
O
What
is
required
in
that
notice
is
not
provided
for,
and
there
is
no
penalty
to
law
enforcement
if
that
notice
is
either
false
or
below
whatever
threshold
of
proof
people
are
considering.
Additionally,
it
creates
liability
at
a
category
c,
felony
level,
which
is
really
outrageous.
Considering
that
active
participants
under
other
provisions
of
nrs
201,
the
non-violent
person
who
lives
from
the
earnings
or
derives
proceed,
the
person
who
places
a
person
in
a
house
of
prostitution.
O
Essentially,
you
you
don't
have
a
limitation
that
the
mom
and
pop
landlords,
who
are
informed
that
there
is
a
sex
worker
who
is
utilizing
the
apartment
have
a
choice.
They
can
either
kick
that
person
out
to
the
street
or
they
can
engage
in
whatever
this
ambiguous
cooperation
with
unrestricted,
unrestricted
undercover
operations
and
surveillance
amounts
to.
O
So
in
essence,
what
this
is
is
essentially
a
workaround
for
warrants
and
other
protections
of
the
constitution
especially
relates
to
the
fourth
amendment,
to
allow
the
law
enforcement
to
engage
in
activities
to
conscript
otherwise
law
abiding
citizens
into
cooperation
in
ways
that
there
is
no
control.
There
is
no
vetting,
and
there
certainly
is
no
statistics
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
disproportionately
impacting
communities
of
color.
O
In
essence-
and
this
would
be
my
concluding
remark
here-
if
this
is
about
massage
parlors
as
indicated,
there
are
provisions
in
the
nrs
nrs,
640c
and
nac640c,
which
would
allow
for
additional
measures
to
be
presented,
and
certainly
every
municipality
has
massage
parlor
regulations
which
would
go
and
and
hold
accountable
those
bad
actors
who
are
engaging
in
the
type
of
activities
that
people
who
have
testified
here
today
have
mentioned,
but
ultimately,
under
this
particular
statute,
I
I
would
recommend
that
it
be
revoked
and
repealed
altogether
under
this
you're,
providing
yet
another
unnecessary
tool,
ostensibly
to
end
sex
trafficking
and
exploitation,
but
really
measure
targeting
sex
work
and
prostitution,
but
really
more
than
that.
O
It's
a
measure
to
give
more
discretion
to
the
police,
to
coerce
or
conscript
citizens
into
aiding
law
enforcement,
to
continue
to
engage
in
all
of
the
entrenched
and
systemically
challenged
methods
that
police
have
been
criticized
now
for
which
lead
to
calls
for
reform,
defunding
and
greater
oversight
and
which
invariably
affects
communities
of
color
in
a
absolutely
disproportionate
way.
I
understand
the
preoccupation
with
sex
trafficking
and
exploitation.
O
This
statute,
never
at
least
in
this
current
form,
is
not
simply
narrowly
tailored
for
that,
but
for
a
much
broader
purpose,
which
runs
completely
counter
to
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
especially
given
that
our
vice
departments,
here
in
southern
nevada
and
throughout
the
state,
are
not
transparent
in
their
methods,
how
they
use
surveillance,
how
they
have
themselves.
Mr
figler.
F
O
And
thank
you
chairman
yaeger,
and
I
appreciate
that
accommodation.
This
is
not
the
approach
to
accomplish
the
goal,
but
while
it
is
claimed
to
be
more
narrow,
I
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
of
the
assembly
that
this
is
actually
much
broader
and
capable
of
greater
exploitation
by
the
police
department.
O
I
would
implore
that,
even
if
none
of
what
I'm
saying
resonates
with
you,
that
you
reduce
the
criminal
liability
here
from
the
high
category
c
to
either
a
gross
misdemeanor
wobbler
or
a
category
e
felony,
it
shouldn't
be
more
than
those
who
directly
participate
in
the
actual
ills
that
you're
seeking
to
redress.
And
I
appreciate
that
extra
time
chairman
jacob.
A
Thank
you,
mr
figler,
and
indeed
in
recognition
that
you
may
be
the
only
one
in
opposition.
I
did
give
you
quite
a
bit
more
time
there
than
two
minutes
so
hopefully
you're
able
to
make
your
points
and
if
not,
I
always
encourage
you
to
communicate
with
the
committee
in
writing.
Bps.
Do
we
have
anybody
else
on
the
line
in
opposition.
A
G
K
Good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
caitlin
gwynn,
c-a-I-t
g-w-I-n
and
I'm
calling
as
a
representative
from
the
sex
worker
alliance
of
nevada.
We
are
neutral
on
this
bill,
so
I
just
want
to
take
some
time
to
add
some
general
context.
First
off,
I
want
to
thank
assembly
person
tolls
for
changes
that
indicate
that
she
heard
our
concerns
from
last
sessions
8166.
K
K
We
know
that
many
people
doing
sex
work
are
doing
it
because
it
is
their
best
or
only
option
for
work.
This
sort
of
circumstantial
sex
work
is
an
indication
of
problems
with
unemployment,
our
immigration
system
and
poverty
in
general.
Instead
of
addressing
this
problem
with
arrests
and
raids,
which
we
know,
are
traumatic
and
often
end
up
in
the
arrest
and
deportation
of
unwitting
workers,
let's
put
the
power
in
the
hands
of
the
workers
who
you
identify
as
victims.
K
Let's
prioritize
retraining
law
enforcement
to
have
a
nuanced
perspective,
to
understand
the
difference
between
consensual
work
and
non-consensual
sex
trafficking.
There's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
in
this
regard.
In
fact,
in
a
recent
meeting
with
metro,
a
researcher
asked
metro
how
they
identify
the
differences
between
consensual
sex
workers
and
trafficking
victims,
and
they
said-
and
I
quote,
I
do
not
understand
the
question:
let's
allow
these
workers
to
make
decisions
about
their
own
lives.
Let's
make
sure
we
are
focusing
on
stopping
acts
of
violence
rather
than
acts
of
desperation.
K
A
G
K
It
was
a
pleasure
to
have
a
thoughtful
conversation
with
assemblywoman
told
on
this
legislation,
and
we
do
appreciate
her
commitment
to
this
issue
and
to
building
consensus,
we're
neutral
on
the
bill
as
it
takes
some
steps
to
mitigate
harm
to
consensual
sex
workers
such
as
requiring
actual
knowledge
and
providing
an
opportunity
to
abate.
But
we
remain
concerned
about
the
ongoing
trend
toward
third
party
criminalization
and
its
impact
on
consensual
sex
workers,
the
aclu
of
nevada
and
the
sex
workers.
K
Alliance
of
nevada
submitted
a
letter
with
data
for
the
committee
to
consider
when
addressing
these
issues,
we
look
forward
to
continuing
a
broader
conversation
on
the
issue
with
assemblywoman
tolls
with
each
of
you
and
the
legislature.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
with
any
questions
you
might
have.
Thank
you.
A
A
Thank
you
bps
I'll
note
for
the
record
that
there
was
also
a
letter
that
was
referenced
by
vice
chair
wynn
in
the
neutral
position,
and
that
is
uploaded
on
nellis,
as
well
as
the
referenced
letter
from
the
aclu.
So
members,
you
can
check
there
for
more
information.
If
you
are
interested,
I'm
going
to
close
neutral
testimony-
and
I
will
now
invite
assemblywoman
tolls
to
make
any
concluding
remarks
you'd
like
to
for
the
bill.
J
Thank
you,
chair
yeager,
and
thank
you
again,
members
of
this
committee
for
allowing
me
to
bring
forward
this
legislation
and
thank
you
again
to
all
the
stakeholders
over
the
interim
who
brought
this
to
my
attention,
who
requested
this
bill,
who
helped
me
to
refine
it
and
individuals
who
called
in
and
offered
their
thoughts
comments,
input
suggestions
today
and
I
I
always
appreciate
this
dialogue
and
I
always
appreciate
the
the
larger
conversation
that
individuals
are
attempting
to
address,
and
I
do
want
to
respond
to
the
comment
that
this
is
very
broad
that
actually
there
was
so
much
effort
put
into
this
particular
language
and
legislation
to
ensure
that
it's
not
broad.
J
It
has
a
very,
very
specific
language
about
what
constitutes
a
violation,
what
written
notice
and
needs
to
be
involved
and
a
series
of
steps
of
options
of
steps
that
businesses
could
take
to
help
ensure
that
they
would
not
fall
into
this
category
of
being
guilty
of
this
felony
charge.
And
so
I
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
all
the
co-sponsors
who
have
signed
on.
I
know.
J
A
couple
of
the
members
of
this
committee
have
also
asked
if
potentially,
they
could
sign
on
I'm
open
to
adding
any
other
co-sponsors,
I'm
also
as
always
open
to
collaborating
and
seeing
if
there's
ways
that
we
can
continue
to
perfect
and
refine
this
language.
J
I
appreciate
all
the
questions
of
this
committee
so
that
I
could
make
my
intent
and
the
intent
of
the
supporters
of
this
bill
as
clear
as
possible
on
record
of
exactly
what
it
is
that
we
are
trying
to
accomplish,
but
there
is
always
in
this
process
room
for
improvement,
so
I'm
grateful
and
to
all
of
you
for
being
a
part
of
that
discussion
today,
and
I
do
hope
for
your
support.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
assemblymentals
for
the
presentation
for
the
concluding
remarks
and
thank
you
to
those
of
us
who
joined
us
on
the
zoom
to
help
answer
questions
assemblywoman.
It
was
good
to
have
you
back
in
the
assembly
judiciary
committee
this
morning.
Hopefully
we'll
see
you
again
in
the
very
near
future,
but
until
then
have
a
good
weekend
with
that
I'll
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
182
we're
now
going
to
move
to
our
final
item
on
the
agenda,
and
that
is
public
comment
by
way
of
reminder.
A
We'll
take
up
to
30
minutes
of
public
comment
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
Callers
will
have
two
minutes
to
provide
public
comment
and
public
comment
is
a
time
to
bring
up
matters
of
general
nature
that
are
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
judiciary
committee
vps.
Could
we
go
to
the
phone
lines
to
see
if
there's
anybody
who'd
like
to
give
public
comment
this
morning.
G
G
B
H
K
A
G
A
A
Okay,
you
all
look
as
tired
as
I
feel
right
now,
so
maybe
that's
an
indication
of
of
where
we
are.
But
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
hard
work
this
week,
it's
been
a
long
week.
Of
course,
we
have
several
long
weeks
ahead
of
us
as
we
march
towards
our
first
committee
passage
deadline
in
terms
of
where
we
go
from
here.
There
are
agendas
out
monday
through
wednesday
of
next
week.
Monday
is
a
nine
o'clock
start,
so
we'll
get
an
extra
hour.
A
I
just
don't
know
yet
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
towards
the
end
of
the
week.
I
suspect
we're
going
to
be
hearing
bills,
but
we
just
haven't
figured
out
which
ones
those
are
yet
so
stay
tuned
for
additional
agendas.
I'm
not
sure
that
we'll
have
the
luxury
of
taking
any
judiciary
meetings
off
from
this
point
on,
but
we'll
just
see
how
things
develop.