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A
D
A
And
I
am
here,
thank
you.
I
think
all
members
present
we've
got
a
quorum
with
that
before
we
get
the
meeting
started
I'll,
go
through
a
few
quick
housekeeping
announcements,
as
I
usually
do
members,
please
remember
to
place
yourselves
on
mute
when
you're,
not
speaking,
so
that
we
can
minimize
background
noise
for
members
of
the
public.
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A
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must
register
in
advance
to
provide
testimony
or
public
comment.
They
can
also
submit
opinion
polls
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Written
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emailed
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email
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before
during
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to
48
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Exhibits
and
amendments
must
be
submitted
electronically
in
pdf
form
to
our
committee
manager
no
later
than
4
pm
the
day
prior
to
our
meeting.
A
A
We
ask
when
providing
comment
or
testimony
that
you
limit
your
remarks
to
two
minutes
so
that
we
can
accommodate
all
speakers
and
get
through
our
meeting
in
a
timely
manner,
and
with
that
I
believe
we
can
move
on.
The
other
item
will
be
we're
gonna
start
with
our
work
session.
So
just
remember
members
to
please
provide
your
name
when
making
a
motion
or
second
and
then
we'll
use
yes
or
no
when
conducting
our
roll
call
votes,
as
previously
mentioned,
we
do
not
take
testimony
during
our
work
session.
A
F
Thank
you,
chair
for
the
record.
Youngster
is
back
with
the
research
division
of
the
lcb.
That's
nonpartisan
staff
I
can
neither
advocate
for
against
any
mexican
country
for
its
committee
with
that
assembly,
bill
6
was
hurt
in
this
committee.
On
march
1st,
it
makes
the
holding
of
a
hearing
on
application
for
temporary
change
to
the
place
of
diversion
manner
of
use
or
place
of
use
of
water
already
appropriate
to
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
state
engineer.
F
There
was
one
amendment
to
the
bill
that
was
proposed
by
this
committee
that
makes
the
following
change.
It
provides
that
the
procedures
for
a
protest
application
applied
to
a
protest
filed
by
an
interest
person
against
the
granting
of
a
temporary
application
and
the
language
this
proposed
amendment
is
also
attached
to
the
work
session
document.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
A
Right
you
for
the
question
of
someone
hansen
that
is
correct
if
you'd
like
we
can
have
the
agency
clarify
that,
but
yeah
that's
correct.
Thank
you
any
other
questions
on
the
amendment.
Yes,
assemblyman
titus
go
ahead.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
that
was
my
concern
over
this
bill
that
there
was
seemed
like
no
process.
If
someone
didn't
agree
about
the
denial,
and
so
what
this
says
is
that
it
refers
back
to
the
process
under
533.365,
but
it
doesn't
say
it
doesn't
say
that
the
engineer
I
guess
I
just
need
assurance
that
the
the
person,
then
they
file
a
protest.
They
get
to
have
a
hearing
if
they
don't
agree
with
his
denial.
Is
that
correct
so
that
there
is
due
process
here.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
question
and
I'm
gonna
have
the
state
engineer
come
on
to
answer
as
well,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
we
had
some
conversations
about
this
and
wanted
to
get
some
clarity
around
some
of
the
ways
that
they
already
practice
and
making
sure
that
the
statute
lines
up
so
the
the
in
our
understanding
is
that
this
amendment
basically
makes
the
a
permanent
application
and
a
temporary
application
follow
the
same
process.
A
The
only
difference
is
for
a
truly
minor
issue
where
it's
again
temporary
and
it's
determined
to
have
no
potential
impact
to
a
water
right
or
the
public
interest.
You
can.
You
can
skip
the
noticing
provision.
A
So
if
there's
even
a
potential
possibility
that
there's
a
conflict,
it
has
to
be
noticed
just
like
any
all
permanent
applications
do
and
then
after
it's
noticed,
a
protest
can
be
filed
and
then
the
state
engineer
can
choose
whether
or
not
to
hold
a
hearing
before
issuing
a
decision,
and
that
decision
could
be
to
approve
or
deny
an
application
and
then
I'll
somebody
from
the
divisional
water
resources
come
on.
If
there's
anything
that
needs
to
be
clarified
or
added
to
that,
as
well
as
mr
ambron,
if
I
misspoke
in
any
way.
D
Thank
you,
assemblyman
watts.
This
is
adam
sullivan
for
the
record,
and
I
agree
with
your
characterization
that,
in
the
intent
here
is
to
be
clear
with
to
make
it
clear
that
533
3
45
dealing
with
one
year
temporary
applications
sets
forward
a
path
for
due
process.
That
is
the
same
as
any
other
application
filed
before
the
14
before
the
state
engineer,
and
if
the
applicant
disagrees
with
the
outcome
with
the
decision,
there's
still
a
pathway
for
appeal.
A
H
Well
then,
thank
you.
It
seems
like
I've
been
rereading
it
then
it's
totally.
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
a
need
for
the
bill,
then,
because
it
puts
it
back
to
what
it
really
was
before.
So
that's
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
looking
at.
Sometimes
these
one-page
bills
are
really
the
hardest
ones
to
wrap
around.
You
think
it
should
be
so
simple,
but
then,
if
you're
adding
that
language
back
in
then
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
the
bill
really
does
do
anything.
It
looks
like
the
only
question
was
the
hearing
in
the
past.
H
It
was
mandated
that
they
hold
a
hearing,
and
I
guess
maybe
that's
the
difference.
There's
no
mandate
now
that
only
if
they
protest,
there's
gonna
be
the
hearing.
Is
that
the
clarification
then.
F
Thank
you,
chair
watts,
alan
amber
for
the
record,
so
assemblywoman.
The
way
that
the
process
used
to
work
under
the
language
for
the
temporary
application
was
that
the
state
engineer
shall
give
notice
of
an
application
pursuant
to
the
notice
requirement
and
statute,
and
the
state
engineer
has
to
hold
a
hearing
right,
and
so
what
this
bill
is
doing
is
now
deferring
to
the
process
set
forth
in
statute.
What
that
statute
says
is
that
if
they
protest.
H
F
I'm
so
sorry
about
that.
So
basically,
now
that
we're
referring
to
existing
statute,
the
state
engineer
has
to
consider
the
protest
and
then
may
hold
a
hearing
on
that
protest,
but
he
or
she
is
not
required
to
hold
a
hearing.
So
that
is
the
major
distinction.
That's
occurring.
A
Thank
you.
I
know
that
this
change
is
a
little
counterintuitive,
so
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
got
all
got
the
record
clear
that
it.
This
achieves
the
goal
that
the
state
engineers
office
looked
for
when
they
brought
the
bill,
as
well
as
add
additional
clarity
about
the
protest
process
and
really
trying
to
line
up
the
two
processes.
So
thank
you
for
that
question.
Are
there
any
other
questions
about
the
amendment.
K
L
J
A
A
With
that,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
item
for
work
session,
which
is
ab84.
Mr
stenisbeck,
will
you
please
lead
us
through
the
work
session
document
for
this
bill.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
again,
for
the
record
yeah
assembly
about
84
was
certain
this
committee
on
march
24th
and
it
authorized
the
state
force
or
fireward,
with
certain
approval,
to
enter
into
certain
public-private
partnerships
for
the
purpose
of
addressing
the
threat
of
wildfires.
A
K
C
A
Yes,
thank
you.
That
motion
also
carries
unanimously.
I
will
assign
the
floor
statement
for
assembly
ability
for
to
vice
chair
cohen,
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
the
last
item
for
work
session,
which
is
assembly
joint
resolution
number
two,
mr
stanisbeck,
will
you
please
lead
us
through
the
work
session
document
for
this
resolution.
F
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
for
the
record
against
the
spec
assembly
joint
resolution
2,
and
I
was
heard
in
this
committee
on
march
24th
that
the
measure
recognized
that
force
health
and
water
quality
are
unextricably
linked,
and
the
measure
also
expresses
support
for
various
stakeholders
to
work
together
to
identify
watersheds
that
can
be
improved
by
better
forest
health
measures.
There
were
two
amendments
proposed
to
the
resolution,
the
first
by
nature
conservancy,
which
adds
language
concerning
the
quantity
of
water,
the
effects
of
climate
change,
wildfire
threats
and
economic
development.
F
The
second
amendment
was
proposed
by
urica
county
and
as
language
concerning
rangeland
and
soil.
Health
and
further
encourages
coloration
with
conservation
districts,
lab
managers,
private
land
owners
and
land
users,
and
both
of
those
amendments
and
language
are
also
attached
to
the
work
session
document.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
All
right
hearing,
none
we'll
move
in
a
little
bit
ahead
of
myself.
I
would
accept
a
motion
to
amend
and
do
pass
assembly
joint
resolution.
2.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes
in
committee,
I'm
kind
of
not
a
fan
of
one
amendment,
not
but
I'm
a
fan
of
this
other
amendment.
I
appreciate
eureka
county
amendment
that
encourages
collaboration
with
conservation
districts,
land
managers,
private
landowners
and
land
users.
That
should
be
consistent
policy
when
we're
dealing
with
with
range
of
land
and
water
issues.
So
that
amendment
is
getting
me
there.
So
yes
in
committee
and
but
reserving
my
right.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you.
Unfortunately,
I
again
I'm
similar
to
somebody
woman,
hanson's
concerned
about
this,
and
I
definitely
appreciate
you
accepting
what
eureka
county
had
to
offer
and
making
your
rangeland,
but
there's
other
significant
components
of
this
bill
that
I
cannot
accept.
So
thank
you.
There
will
be
thank.
C
Yes,
mr
chairman,
and
we
didn't
know
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
problem
until
just
about
two
minutes
ago.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
still
going
to
vote
yes
right
now
and
I'm
going
to
reserve
my
rights
and
I'm
sure
the
other
two
are
going
to
do
that,
also
because
I
haven't
seen
that
other
amendment.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
assemblyman
ellison
and
just
to
be
clear.
Both
of
these
amendments
were
presented
during
the
hearing.
So
if
you
do
have
any
additional
questions
or
concerns,
please
let
the
sponsors
of
the
bill
know
prior
to
the
measure
coming
up
for
a
floor
vote.
I
appreciate
the
remarks.
Are
there
any
any
other
discussion
on
this
motion.
M
I
really
appreciate
the
use
of
the
word
quantity
and
quality
and
not
just
quality,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
I
don't
believe
I
brought
it
up
during
the
hearing
itself,
but
adding
in
quantity
is
an
item
of
importance.
I
really
appreciated
with
that
amendment,
so
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
as
well.
C
E
A
Thank
you.
That
concludes
our
work
session.
Members.
Thank
you
with
that
move
on
to
our
bill
hearings.
Today
we
have
two
bills
on
the
agenda
and
I
will
be
taking
them
out
of
order
we'll
start
with
assembly
bill
299.
So
I
will
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
299,
which
makes
various
changes
relating
to
wildlife,
I'll
welcome,
assemblywoman,
bilbray,
axelrod
back
to
the
committee
on
natural
resources.
It's
good
to
have
you
back
here
whenever
you're
ready,
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
you
may
proceed.
N
Thank
you,
chair
watts
and
members
of
the
natural
resources
committee.
It's
great
to
be
back.
I
love
to
this
committee
and
I'm
sad,
I'm
not
serving
on
it
anymore
for
the
record.
I'm
shannon
bilbray
axelrod
representing
assembly
district
34
in
clark
county.
I
am
pleased
to
be
presenting
ab299
to
your
committee
today.
Ab-299
is
a
bill
to
prevent
the
waste
of
edible
portions
of
our
state's
wildlife
accidentally
struck
by
vehicles.
N
Currently,
the
ability
to
salvage
game
species
is
limited
by
state
law.
Our
state
department
of
wildlife
and
department
of
transportation
have
been
making
great
progress
in
reducing
wildlife
vehicle
collisions,
but
sadly
they
still
do
happen
from
time
to
time.
This
bill
will
allow
a
process
to
use
these
animals
in
these
situations.
N
N
The
bill
has
a
number
of
safeguards,
including
one
a
person
salvaging
an
animal
would
be
hired
to
turn
in
the
head,
hide
antlers,
horn
and
tusk
to
end
out,
if
applicable,
number
two
any
person
who
that
intentionally
kills
an
animal
would
be
guilty
of
a
category
e
felony,
the
same
penalty
as
poaching
number
three
provisions
for
when
a
driver
cripples
an
animal
and
the
need
to
kill
it.
Humanely
number
four
provisions
to
allow
end
out
to
inspect
the
animal
in
conversation
with
endot.
N
We
have
proposed
the
following
changes
in
a
conceptual
amendment
that
you
should
have
on
nellis.
The
amendment
makes
three
changes.
It
clarifies
that
if
a
person
seeking
a
salvage
permit
should
seek
that
perm,
they
should
seek
that
permit
as
soon
as
possible,
but
no
later
than
24
hours
after
taking
possession.
This
24-hour
provision
is
intended
when
the
animal
is
hit
in
a
rural
area
and
it's
not
feasible
for
a
peace
officer
or
endow
to
immediately
respond
number
two.
N
N
Finally,
I
would
note
that
this
will
bring
us
into
conformance
with
all
other
states
around
us.
Sadly,
wildlife
vehicle
collisions
happen
in
our
western
state
and
they're.
Just
a
fact
of
life.
Our
neighbors
have
figured
out
a
process
to
avoid
waste
for
the
edible
portions.
This
bill
will
allow
nevada
to
do
the
same
chair
watts.
I
would
now
like
to
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague
and
primary
co-sponsor,
dr
titus,
for
her
comments.
H
H
I
saw
both
the
benefits
and
also
the
concerns
that
folks
had
with
the
waste
of
animals
and
and
days
in
the
past.
If
someone
ran
over
a
deer
or
something
happened
on
the
road
and
the
crews
would
come
out
and
take
it,
they
could
salvage
it
and
take
it
to
say
a
say,
a
a
needy
home
or
somebody
that
was
hungry.
It
was
a
process
recently
20
different
states.
We
now
have
20
states
in
this
nation
that
have,
as
some
women
mentioned,
have
passed.
H
This
law,
including
our
neighboring,
california,
and
all
of
the
states
that
surround
us,
have
have
this
law.
Nevada
is
one
of
the
last
holdouts
on
this
law.
Again,
as
she
stated,
we
we
did
have
some
safety
concerns
and
perhaps
endot
will
be
on
this
call
about
making
sure
that
folks
didn't
do
it
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
H
Folks
didn't
have
this
happen
or
intentionally
run
into
an
animal,
but
it
actually
makes
good
sense
if,
if
it's
an
edible
animal,
that
and
different
people
may
choose
different
things
to
eat,
but
doing
it
safely
just
made
good
sense
and
in
a
proper
way
to
do
this
and
so
putting
it,
making
it
legal
with
safety
and
happy
to
have
and
help
answer
any
questions,
as
folks
may
have.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Assemblywoman
billbray
axelrod.
Are
there
any
other
presenters
that
you
have
for
the
bell.
N
D
Chair
watts,
thank
you,
assemblywoman
billberry,
axelrod,
I'll,
just
take
it
for
questions
by
no
further
comment
necessary.
Thank
you.
A
Sorry
hard
hard
with
the
presentation
with
that
we
can
open
it
up
for
questions.
I
believe
we
can
start
with
assemblyman
ellison.
C
C
If
there
was
anyone
that
could
salvage
the
animal,
they
were
deer
off
the
side
of
the
road
and
every
time
it
would
go
by
that
carcass
had
beaten's
on
duty
like
out
in
rural
area,
like
ruby
valley
like
when
I
hit
the
antelope,
because
its
hips
were
broken,
and
I
called
that
in.
But
I
noticed
it
is
as
when
you're
looking
through
this.
It
seems
like
to
me
to
be
able
to
for.
A
C
C
Yeah
when
we
called
in
you
know,
of
course,
that
you
know
they
were
both
pretty
bad
wrecks,
but
when
we
called
in,
we
asked
the
high
patrol
that
used
to
be
that
the
senior
citizens
facility
used
to
love
to
to
get
the
deer
and
or
antelope
or
whatever
it
was
at
the
time.
So
that
was
a
high
patrol.
That
said
no,
but
I
didn't
think
to
call
endow
or
any
of
them.
So
that's
that's
good
information.
I
learned
something
then.
G
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I'm.
D
The
an
officer
can,
you
know,
kind
of
help
out
and
and
if
someone
hits
an
animal
you
know
we'll
have
the
forms
possibly.
But
what
happens
if
the
officer
sees
that
the
animal
should
not
is
not
good
for
human
consumption.
It
was
old
and
ill.
Even
though
there's
supposed
to
be
a
really
quick
turnaround
on
this,
it's
you
know
southern
nevada
and
it's
summer.
Can
the
officer
do
anything
to
keep
the
person
from
taking
this,
maybe
carcass?
That
would
not
be
good
for
humans
to
even
be
around
let
alone
eat.
H
Well,
I'll
start,
certainly
with
officer
involvement.
If
he's
involved,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
it's
an
immediate
effect.
I
mean
if
this
this
animal
is
dead,
it's
not
something
that
you
can
find
a
dead
animal
five
days
later
and
want
to
salvage
that
mead.
I
I
I'm
a
hunter,
I
love
game
and
I
could
certainly
quarter
out
an
animal
on
the
side
of
the
road.
H
If
I,
if
I
had
to
and
had
the
opportunity
and
would
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
if
they're
maggot
laden
you
probably
it
might
tenderize
them,
but
it's
not
something
you
really
probably
want
to
take
home.
So
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
an
issue,
although
I
would
say
that
if
the
animal
was
in
the
middle
of
the
road
and
and
was
sick
and
and
that's
why
it
was
still
there
and
appeared
ill,
I
don't
believe
the
person
that
would
want
to
harvest
it
there's
a
little
bit
of
knowledge
there.
H
However,
that's
where
the
peace
officer
comes
in
also
and
having
that
salvage
permit
and
the
understandable
knowledge.
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
up
to
the
officer
to
determine
whether
it
looks
like
it
was
all
you
know
hit
on
purpose,
because
that's
one
of
the
things
we
don't
want
to
have
happen.
You
see
a
deer,
you
go,
oh,
my
goodness,
you
know
you
could
you
could
bump
it
break
it
flag,
shoot
it
and
take
it.
H
We
we
want
to
avoid
those
issues,
but
there's
nothing
to
say
you
know
these
deaths
already
happen.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
meat
is
used
and
and
comment.
There's
have
to
involve
some
common
sense
here
that
if
it's
a
rotten
thing
and
the
birds
are
already
hanging
on
it's
not
something
that
was
just
hit.
So
there's
going
to
be
those
issues.
A
M
Thank
you,
chair
watts,
and
thank
you
assemblymember
bilbrayaxelrod
and
family
member
titus
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
just
actually
had
a
friend
who
would
experience
something
like
this,
I
think,
was
in
montana
just
a
few
weeks
ago.
M
Very
quick
question,
because
I
I'm
not
a
hunter,
and
I
do
not
understand
all
of
this
information
under
section
one
subsection,
three
c.
So
it's
basically
page
three
lines:
twenty
seven
through
thirty,
the
turning
in
of
the
head,
hide
antlers,
horns
and
tusk.
Would
that
be
a
decision
at
the
at
the
department
level?
Or
would
that
be
a
decision
of
the
officer
that
the
officer
who
is
on
the
scene
to
make
those
decisions
or
is
that
something
that
has
to
have
a
lot
lengthier
discussion
with
the
department.
N
I'm
going
to
take
that
because
I
know
the
answer,
because
I
was
on
natural
resources
before
there
are
certain
animals
that
carry
diseases
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
have
them,
so
they
are
actually
written
into
statue
on
which
animals
need
to
be
kept.
H
Yeah,
so
what
she's
referring
to
is
certain
elk
with
chronic
wasting
disease,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
part
of
the
horns,
but
one
of
the
issues
here
is:
there
are
hunters
who
can
hunt
for
horns
and
if
you
see
a
nice
set
of
horns
over
there
that
you
know
we,
we
don't
want
you
to
be
able
to
go
and
snag
those
and
they
have
to
be
turned
over
appropriately.
H
So
this
is
not
about
the
collection
of
either.
You
know.
If
you
hit
a
you
know,
antelope
and
you're,
going
out
for
the
horns
or
you
hit
a
deer
or
hit
an
elk,
and
that's
why
you're
stopping
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
salvage
edible
products,
and
so
we
didn't
want
to
make
it.
Oh
you
know
you
can
put
that
on
your
wall
as
a
deadhead.
That's
not
what
this
is
about.
H
So
we
did
not
want
to
turn
this
into
in
any
way
somebody
out
there
searching
for
antlers
or
somebody
out
there
searching
for
these
horns,
and
so
it's
really
important
and
then,
as
she
pointed
out,
assembly
women
library
actually
pointed
out,
there
are
some
diseases
that
are,
you
know
we
really
are
searching
for
and
then,
and
they
can
also
end
up,
can
also
do
some
research
on
them
and
and
know
the
age
of
the
horn
and
then
to
vice
chairs
point.
If
this
animal
is
diseased.
M
D
D
Is
there
any
kind
of
time
limit
on
when
you
have
to
take
this
animal
and
butcher,
because
you
can't
take
dead,
horns,
hide,
etc,
trophies
so
how
you
know
if
someone
sticks
it
in
a
storage
locker
for
a
week
or
two?
How
do
they
know
whether
he's
taken
the
head,
horde,
heinz
or
trophy
a
71
titus
said
she
could
quarter
it
on
the
side
of
the
road?
I
don't
think
they're.
H
But
certainly
if
I
might
say
I
mean
definitely
different
types
of
animals
can
be
harvested
and
cut
up
without
any
hanging
of
the
animal
films
can
be
just
quartered
out
and
and
literally
on
an
antelope.
We
don't
we
chill
it
down
as
quick
as
possible
and
you
cut
it
up
as
quick
as
possible
deer.
You
do
hang
for
five
to
seven
days.
H
Elk
will
hang
that
long,
but
the
purpose
of
that
was
is
that
you
have
up
to
five
days
according
to
this,
within
five
business
days
after
taking
possession
of
the
animal
you
have
to
salvage
salvador
when
you
have
to
turn
it
into
the
apartment.
So
if
you
are
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere,
if
you
are
wherever
and
you
do-
hang
the
animals
some
folks
do
usually
when
you
hang
an
animal
before
you
hang
that
animal
you
actually
take
the
hide
off
the
animal.
So
that's
done
before
you
store
your
animal
in
cold
storage.
H
You
wouldn't
do
with
the
height
on
it
to
begin
with
so,
but
you
may
not
be
able
to
cut
it
up
that
day
if
you're
taking
it,
if
you're,
not
in
a
safe
area.
If
it's
nighttime-
and
you
want
to
take
it
back
to
your
barn,
where
you
can
use
a
winch
to
hang
it
up,
it
may
not
be
pla
applicable
to
even
do
it
close
by.
So
you
have
to
remove
it
from
the
premises.
D
Okay,
I
understand
all
that
you
know
I've
actually
done
it
a
few
times,
but
what
what
I'm
not
understanding
is
here?
I
think
you
just
answered.
You
only
have
five
days
to
five.
A
Thank
you
for
that,
mr
wheeler.
We'll
go
on
to
our
next
question.
I
believe
we
have
assemblywoman
hanson.
G
Thank
you,
chair,
you're
right,
I
I
do
have
a
question
now
or
a
couple.
Thank
you
for
for
the
bill
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
my
dear
friend,
jeff
dixon,
that's
going
to
be
here
for
the
next
bill
presentation.
As
he's
listening
to
this.
G
I'm
sure
this
is
very
traumatizing,
so
we'll
see
you
soon
jeff
regarding
the
the
salvage
permit
for
those
who
don't
know
when
you
have
a
regular
deer
tag
or
analog
tag
or
other
wildlife
tags,
you're
kind
of
working
in
tandem
with
the
department
of
wildlife
and
you
report
back
certain
information
once
you
have
your
you've
harvested
harvested,
your
animal,
so
I'm
assuming
the
salvage
permit
you
that
data
gets
reported
to
endow
it
does
it
get
counted
in
the
tag
counts.
You
know
that
we
hunters
provide.
G
N
Trying
to
unmute
sorry,
yes,
that
is
the
intent
and
that's
why
endow
is
involved,
and
my
my
colleague
is
you
know,
of
course,
speak
to
this
as
well,
but
I
just
would
want
to
put
on
the
record
as
well.
I
am
a
huge
animal
lover.
I
have
never
shot
an
animal
in
my
life.
I
have
never
luckily
hid
an
animal
in
my
life
and
I
hope
never
to,
but
this
is
really
the
humane
thing
to
do
I
mean
if
the
animal
has
given
up
its
life.
N
I
I
think
that
even
even
I'm
not
going
to
say
pita
members,
I
think
that's
a
bridge
too
far,
but
I
think
animal
lovers
would
would
respect
that
where
at
least
the
life
is
not
lost
in
vain,
so
but
assemblyman
titus
did
you
want
to
add
anything.
H
Sure,
thank
you.
So
under
section
one
line
number
two:
it
explicitly
talks
about
or
speaks
towards
your
very
question
about
what
information
that
permit
needs
to
have
so
that
you
know
especially,
you
know,
you
know,
hit
the
car,
the
collision,
the
type
of
animal
and
those
type
of
things,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
important
and
can
be
reported
for
those
high
incidents
accidents.
I
think
it's
real
important
that
they
know
where
the
deer
crossings
are
for
safety
purposes
too.
H
So
there's
in
some
ways,
I
think,
would
be
helpful
for
ndot
to
know
and
for
endow
to
know
that,
where
these
animals
are
going
to
hit
as
opposed
to
being
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere,
they
just
get
pulled
off
the
side
side
of
the
road
or
somebody
takes
them
anyway
or
you
know
they
get
eaten
by
like
coyotes
those
type
of
things
or
animals.
How
many
times
have
we
been
down
the
road
where
the
magpies?
H
We
call
them
the
road
crew
in
in
our
neck
of
the
woods,
because
they're
out
there
working
in
the
hawks,
the
birds
I've
had
patients,
I've
seen
patients
actually
who
left
my
office
one
day
driving
away
from
my
office,
there
was
a
dead
animal
on
the
road.
An
eagle
was
on
that
dead,
animal.
She
swerved
to
miss
that
and
got
into
an
accident,
so
there's
lots
of
good
things
to
get
these
animals
off
the
road,
but
as
far
as
having
that
information
then
go
to
appropriate
resources.
I
think
that's
really
part
of
that
whole.
H
A
G
Thank
you
for
that
that
I
was
confused
on
that.
So
thank
you,
uma
titus
for
that
and
and
then
just
one,
maybe
just
a
suggestion
or
may
maybe
I'm
seeing
more
into
it
in
section
one
sub
3
b
on
line
24
page
3,
when
we
talk
about
ensure
that
any
meat
rendered
from
the
salvageable
animal
is
utilized
for
human
consumption.
It
just
seems
a
little
broad
to
me
that
you
know
there's
certainly
like
we
talked
earlier.
G
There's
some
meat,
that's
not
going
to
be
edible
and
there's
some
animals,
even
if
it
was
fully
intact
and
fresh.
We
just
don't
eat
those
like
coyotes
or
something
so
is
there
maybe
do
we
need
to
maybe
tighten
up
that
we're?
You
know
ensuring
that
any
meat
rendered
from
the
salvageable
animal
will
be
utilized
for
human
consumption.
G
H
I
think
the
re,
I
think
the
reason
that
this
that
that
part
of
this
is
in
there
is
that,
for
the
very
reason
that
you
pointed
out
that
that
we
want
the
animal
if
you're
going
to
take
this
animal,
we
want
you.
The
intent
is
to
use
this
and
not
use
it
for
coyote
bait
in
your
trap,
and
that's
why
this
needs
to
be
something
that
you
would
salvageable
for
for
human
consumption.
H
This
doesn't
address
the
fact
that
when
we
and
and
I,
when
I
harvest
an
animal,
I
do
not
send
it
to
butcher.
We
deal
with
it
ourselves
and
but
something
that's
bloodied.
If
you
have
hit
an
animal
or
shot
an
animal,
there
will
be
components
of
those
muscles
that
are
literally
bloodshot
and
you
will
not
eat
those.
H
So,
there's
not
that
all
components
of
the
meat
that
you
take
will
be
it
and
will
be
able
you'll
be
able
to
eat,
but
in
the
process
the
intent
is
that
you're
going
to
take
it
for
human
consumption,
so
that
you
can't
then
turn
around
and
feed
it
to
your
dogs
or
you
can't
feed
it
to
use
it
in
your
coyote
traps.
And
so
that's
why
that
line
is
in
there
to
make
sure
that
it's
it's,
but
it
does.
C
Yes,
sir,
the
two
little
things
that
number
one
robin:
what
are
you
guys
gonna
do
you
know
antelope?
It
has
to
be
tucked
in
ice
right
away,
because
the
meat
spoiled
pretty
quick.
Is
that
something
you
want
to
take
into
consideration,
because
I
don't
eat
antelope
or
never
have
but
everybody.
I
talked
to
says
that
if
you
don't
pack
them
on
ice
it
they
get
really
bad
and
then
the
other
thing
is.
I
think
this
is
a
great
bill
and
miss
bill
ray
if
you'd
add
my
name
to
it.
I'd
appreciate
that.
H
So
to
answer
your
first
question,
because
I
can't
answer
the
question
for
her,
but
I
I
will
tell
you
john
assemblyman,
nelson,
that
I
we
love
animal,
but
it's
our
favorite
me
and
the
key
is
that
when
you
do
harvest
the
animal
you
have
to
chill
down
so
again.
We
would
hope
that,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
had
discussions
about,
whether
you
can
you
you
can
harvest
at
night
time
or
whether
we're
worried
about
the
temperature
in
august
or
any
time
of
year,
because
you
can't
harvest
these
animals.
H
It
is
a
waste
and
the
meat
is
not
very
good.
So
again
the
person
has
who's
choosing
to
harvest.
This
is
going
to
have
to
have
some
good
choice.
Not
everybody
will
be
able
to
do
that.
Who
has
a
cooler
in
the
back
of
their
truck
right.
So
I
mean
this
bill
allows
for
the
person,
if
appropriate,
to
harvest
the
animal
and,
and
it
won't
solve
all
the
problems.
Not
all
animals
will
be
able
to
be
harvested.
H
Not
all
meat
will
be
edible
and
again
those
very
issues
that
you
point
out
or
things
are
going
to
have
to
be
the
judgment
of
the
person
stopping
to
say,
hey.
I
just
saw
this
animal
hit.
I
can
get
this
cool,
I'm
only
five
minutes
away
from
lovelock,
because
that's
where
you're
gonna
hit
it
and
you
can
get
back
and
you
can
cool
the
animal
down.
But
again,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
of
discretion
on
whether
it's
appropriate
to
harvest
the
animal
and
it's
something
that
we
just
can't
write
into
legislation.
C
Under
the
bill,
that
was
all
right,
miss
bill,
ray.
N
So
this
is
kind
of
silly
and
maybe
I'll
get
over
it,
but
I
kind
of
liked
it
that
it
was
assembly
woman
in
the
minute
you
put
a
man
on
it.
It
becomes
assembly
man,
and
so
we
changed
that.
That's
why
I
did
that
so.
But
I'll
have
a
conversation
with
you,
mr
ellen.
Okay,.
A
Seeing
none,
I
will
open
up
testimony
on
assembly
bill,
299.,
we'll
begin
with
testimony
and
support,
and
before
we
go
to
the
phones,
I
wanted
to
offer
mr
ricker.
If
there
are
any
additional
remarks
you
want
to
provide.
D
Thank
you,
chair
watts.
The
only
thing
that
I'd
like
to
reiterate
is
with
the
provision
of
giving
the
the
head
hyde
and
antlers
to
indel
or
submitting
those
to
an
indel
office.
We
are
really
ramping
up
our
ability
to
to
test
for
wildlife
disease
throughout
the
state
of
nevada.
A
Thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We'll
go
on
to
testimony
and
support
by
phone
broadcast
production
services.
Can
you
see
if
we
have
anybody
in
the
key
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill
299.
I
I
D
D
I
E
Rebecca
stetson
r-e-b-e-k-a-h-s-t-e-t-s-o-n,
mr
chair
watson,
committee.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
listening
to
my
testimony
today,
I
serve
on
the
governor's
council
for
food
security
and,
although
I'm
not
representing
them
today,
I'm
representing
the
northern
nevada
food
security
council
and
I
fully
support
this
bill.
I'm
super
thankful
for
the
folks
who
brought
it
forward
and
for
mr
ricker
for
bringing
it
forward.
I
C
Yes,
mr
chairman,
and
member
of
the
assembly
natural
resource
committee,
my
name
is
larry
johnson.
I
actually
signed
up
to
support
this
bill,
but
for
some
reason
my
star
9
didn't
didn't
register.
Apparently,
so
I
I
still
want
to
testify
in
favor.
D
C
My
name
is
larry
johnson
j-o-h-n-s-o-n,
and
I
want
to
thank
chair
watson,
members
of
the
assembly,
natural
resource
committee,
for
this
opportunity
to
testify
in
favor
of
av-299
vehicle
and
wildlife
collisions
occur
hundreds
of
times
each
year.
This
results
in
the
wanton
waste
of
tons
of
high-protein
healthy
meat.
C
This
bill
mirrors
of
what
is
currently
legal
in
all
of
the
surrounding
states,
which
has
developed
years
of
successful
performance
records
dispelling
any
of
the
potential
opposition
points
that
there
could
be
unhealthy
use
of
this
meat.
This
has
simply
not
been
a
problem
or
any
opposition
that
could
be
impositioned
to
endow
enforcement
employees.
C
As
always,
there
is
a
common
sense
component
to
this
proposal.
We
urge
your
support
of
ab299
and
want
to
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
testimony,
mr
johnson.
Will
the
secretary
please
note
that
that
is
testimony
in
support.
We
will
move
back
to
testimony
and
opposition
of
the
bill.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We'll
move
on
to
testimony
in
neutral
and
before
I
go
back
to
you
broadcast
production
services.
I'd
like
I
know
we
have
somebody
from
ndot
joining
us
on
zoom,
and
so
I'd
like
to
offer
you
the
opportunity
to
provide
any
comments
that
you'd
like
to
make.
D
Thank
you,
chair
watts,
for
the
record.
My
name
is
jeff
larud,
with
ndot
acting
deputy
director
of
operations
and
maintenance,
so
ndot's
one
of
ndot's,
you
know
major
concerns
is
safety
and
anytime.
You
leave
a
vehicle
on
one
of
our
facilities,
it's
just
more
dangerous.
D
So
I'd
like
to
thank
assembly,
woman,
bilbray,
axelrod
and
assemblyman
titus
for
meeting
with
us
the
other
day
and
actually
taking
some
of
our
concerns
into
account
and
drafting
the
amendment
language.
So
we
appreciate
that
some
of
the
things
that
we
were
most
concerned
with
is
not
on
the
interstate,
and
I
see
that
in
the
draft
language.
D
So
thank
you
not
allowed
at
night,
which
is
in
the
draft
language,
but
there's
a
a
caveat
for
if
there
is
a
peace
officer
with
sufficient
lighting,
so
appreciate
that
the
only
other
one
is
the
speed
limit
of
the
facility.
One
of
our
concerns
is
when
you
are
on
the
side
of
the
road,
the
higher
the
speed,
the
more
dangerous.
It
is
obviously
so
we're
really
hoping
that
that
speed
would
be
maybe
topped
off
at
45
or
55
miles
an
hour,
and
I
see
that
at
70
miles
an
hour.
D
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record.
That
is
still
going
to
be
a
concern
for
ndot.
A
I
A
You
very
much
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
someone
on
bilbray
axelrod
to
offer
any
closing
remarks
that
he
may
have.
N
Thank
you
committee,
so
much,
and
I
just
I
appreciated
working
with
endot
and
I
I
totally
understand
their
concerns
and
I
do
feel
like
we
did.
You
know
make
this
bill.
You
know
the
safest
way.
We
could
do
it
to
to
address
these
70
miles
an
hour.
I
actually
the
reason
that
we
landed
on
that
number.
N
We
didn't
have
a
speed
limit
number
initially,
but
I
just
kept
thinking
about
the
loneliest
road
in
america
and
the
fact
that
you
could
be
on
that
road
and
hit
an
animal
and
not
be
able
to
do
anything
when
the
likelihood
of
seeing
another
vehicle
or
being
hit
by
another
vehicle
is
is
the
slimmest
in
the
entire
country,
so
that
was
sort
of
where
we
landed
on
we
and
as
we've
just
as
has
been
brought
up
by
other
college.
N
This
hasn't,
you
know,
been
an
issue
in
other
states,
but
obviously
safety
of
nevadans
is
paramount
and
we
we
think
this
this
bill
got
there
with
the
intention
and
still
doing
having
safeguards
in
place
and
thank
you
for
consideration.
A
J
J
With
the
chair's
permission,
I
will
share
with
you
a
powerpoint
presentation
which
all
the
committee
members
should
have.
It
is,
and
it
is
also
available
on
nellis.
J
One
moment
share,
so
the
purpose
of
assembly
bill
209
is
to
prohibit
the
deploying
of
cats
unless
it's
for
medical,
necessary
reasons.
Before
I
can
talk
about
the
bill,
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
understand
what
decline
really
is.
There's
a
misconception
that
decline
involves
a
simple
surgery
where
the
cat's
nails
are
removed,
which
is
the
equivalent
to
having
your
fingernails
trimmed.
J
J
To
put
it
into
perspective,
this
is
what
decline
decline,
looks
like
on
a
cat
on
the
left
side
on
the
left
side
is
what
it
would
look
like
on
a
human
being.
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
understand
the
implications
and
effects
that
decline
has
on
a
cat
again.
This
is
not
just
a
simple
procedure.
J
And
that
is
why
I'm
proposing
assembly
bill
209
semi
bill
209,
would
prohibit
the
decline
of
cats
for
cosmetic,
aesthetic
or
convenience
reasons.
There
would
be
an
exception
if
a
licensed
veterinarian
determines
that
the
procedure
was
necessary
to
address
the
physical
medical
condition
of
a
cat
such
as
an
existing
or
recurring
illness,
infection,
disease,
etc.
J
Additionally,
there
would
be
a
reporting
requirement
where
the
licensed
veterinarian
would
submit
a
report
to
the
nevada
state
board
of
veterinarian
medical
examiners
describing
the
purpose
of
the
procedure.
The
statement
would
be
required
before
performing
the
procedure
in
the
case
of
an
emergency.
The
licensed
veterinarian
would
still
be
able
to
perform
the
procedure.
However,
the
statement
would
be
required
no
later
than
five
days
after
performing
the
procedure.
J
In
terms
of
civil
penalties,
the
first
violation
would
be
no
more
than
a
thousand
dollars.
The
second
violation
would
be
no
more
than
fifteen
hundred,
and
the
third
for
subsequent
violation
will
be
no
more
than
twenty.
Five
hundred
failure
to
submit
a
written
report
to
the
board
will
carry
a
civil
penalty,
not
more
than
100
for
the
first
violation,
not
more
than
150
for
the
second
violation
and
not
more
than
250
for
the
third
third
or
subsequent
violation.
J
J
I
talked
about
how
declining
a
cat
can
severely
affect
their
physical,
emotional
and
psychological
well-being.
Opponents
will
argue
that
declining
a
cat
for
cosmetic,
aesthetic
or
convenient
reasons
are
necessary
to
protect
human
health,
especially
for
immunocompromised
people.
There
is
no
such
credible
evidence
that
this
is
true.
In
fact,
various
federal
agencies
and
organizations
have
advised
against
decline,
cats
to
protect
human
health.
Some
of
these
organizations,
organizations
and
agencies
include
the
centers
for
disease
control
and
prevention,
the
national
institute
of
health
and
american
association
of
feline
practitioners.
J
This
concludes
my
presentation
and
I
would
now
like
to
turn
it
over
to
dr
jennifer
conrad,
the
founder
and
director
of
the
paw
project,
a
national
non-profit
organization
that
has
done
an
incredible
job
in
educating
the
public
about
the
painful
and
crippling
effects
of
cat
decline.
Please
proceed
dr
conrad.
K
Very
much
assembly,
member
martinez
and
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
listening
to
my
presentation
to
me.
I
am
a
veterinarian.
My
name
is
jennifer
conrad,
j
e
n
and
I
fbr
conrad,
and
I
am
a
veterinarian
and
the
founder
and
director
of
the
paw
project,
which
is
the
world's
largest
non-profit
organization,
dedicated
solely
to
ending
decline.
K
We
have
members
throughout
the
throughout
north
america
and
in
nevada.
K
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
the
a
few
things
about
declawing
from
a
veterinary
perspective,
the
first
one,
is
that
our
nails
grow
from
skin,
but
in
a
cat
the
nail
actually
grows
from
the
bone,
and
so
in
order
to
remove
the
claw
one
has
to
remove
the
bone,
so
it
would
be
the
equivalent
of
taking
these
cigar
cutters
and
cutting
this
last
bone
off
in
every
one
of
my
fingers.
I,
it
is
one
of
the
most
painful
routinely
performed
surgeries
in
all
of
veterinary
medicine,
and
yet
it's
it's
very
rarely.
K
Do
veterinarians
give
proper
pain
management
because
that
would
take
months
or
years
to
relieve
the
pain
that
the
the
surgery
is
causing.
Very
the
there
are
myths
that
you
might
hear
from
the
opposition
and
I
wanted
to
clarify
them
very
quickly.
One
is
you
might
hear
that
there's
going
to
be
this
massive
deluge
of
cats,
a
dumping
of
cats,
if
they
can't
be
declawed
well
in
all
of
the
jurisdictions
where
we
have
bandy
clawing
there
has.
K
That
has
not
been
the
case
and
in
fact,
in
every
single
one
of
them,
they're
reporting
that
they
have
not
had
an
increase
in
cats
release
relinquished,
nor
have
they
had
had
any
of
anything
like
it.
In
fact,
they've
had
the
opposite.
K
The
claw
bands
save
lives
according
to
brenda
barnett
who's,
the
head
of
la
animal
services,
los
angeles
bandyclawing
in
2009,
and
what
they
have
seen
is
a
decrease
in
the
number
of
cats
relinquished
in
los
angeles
it.
The
number
ended
up
being
43.3
percent,
which,
which
is
tens
of
thousands
of
cats
lives
saved
everywhere.
There's
been
a
ban,
there
there's
been
no
regret
and
every
city
that
we
know
of
and
province
even
in
canada.
They
all
are
really
happy
that
they've
been
declawing.
K
The
other
thing
you
might
hear,
as
the
assembly
woman
mention,
is
that
there's
a
reason
to
declaw
cat
because
it
protects
human
health.
Well,
that
is
just
not
true,
because
declawed
cats
bite
more
it's
in
the
literature,
it
they
absolutely
bite
more,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
call
the
emergency
room
and
say
hey,
I
got
scratched
by
my
cat,
they
would
say:
well,
you
should
wash
it
and
watch
it.
K
But
if
you
say
I
was
bitten
by
my
cat,
they're
very
likely
to
say
you
have
to
come
in,
because
many
people
who
have
been
bitten
by
a
cat
will
have
to
be
admitted
to
the
hospital
and
have
iv
antibiotics,
and
also
I
wanted
to
just
quickly
address
the
fact
that
cat
scratch
fever
is
a
misnomer.
It
really
it
comes
from
fleas,
and
if
you
can
control
the
fleas,
then
you
can
control
the
disease.
K
The
the
other
thing
I
wanted
you
to
know
is
that
the
shelters
and
rescues
are
giving
resounding
support
for
this
bill.
They
they
believe
that
declawing
does
not
save
homes.
They
do
believe
that
it
does
not
save
lives
and
they
know
that
if
they
get
a
cat
who's
de-clawed,
it's
going
to
be
harder
to
find
it
at
home
because
declawed
cats,
when
they
come
home
from
the
surgery
which
has
amputated
their
their
the
last
bone
in
their
toes,
they
go
to
use
the
litter
box.
K
They
go
to
dig
and
they
say
wow,
I'm
not
using
this
anymore.
It
hurts
too
much
and
they
also
recognize
that
they've
been
robbed
of
this,
this
primary
way
of
defending
themselves
and
they
resort
to
biting.
So
if
someone
was
very
intolerant
of
a
cat
scratching
a
couch,
you
can
imagine
how
intolerant
they're
gonna
be
of
a
cat,
not
using
the
litter
box
and
biting
so
declawing
cats.
Are
it's
in
the
literature
that
they
fight
more
and
that
they
don't
use
the
litter
box?
K
The
last
thing
that
you
might
hear
is
that
declawing
is
rare
and
it's
not
in
according
to
the
literature
decline,
is
performed
on
20
to
25
percent
of
american
cats.
So
it's
one
in
five
one
and
four:
that's
a
lot.
It
is
not
a
last
resort,
like
the
veterinary
medical
associations
like
to
say
it
is
not
a
last
resort
and
it
doesn't
matter
how
it's
done.
In
most
cases,
declawing
is
done
with
a
guillotine
nail
clipper,
so
it
just
cuts
off
the
bone.
K
If
it's
done
with
a
scalpel
or
a
laser,
it
doesn't
matter.
The
result
is
the
same:
it's
an
amputation
of
a
toe
bone
and
as
veterinarians
across
the
the
country.
The
paw
project
has
united
us
to
say
that
we
would
rather
not
do
something
wrong
for
the
money.
That's
how
we
feel
about
it
and
we're
hoping
that
we
can
ask
you
for
your
yes
vote.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
some
of
them
martinez.
Is
there
any
additional
presentation
or
remarks,
or
are
we
ready
to
move
on
to
questions.
J
I
do
have
jeff
available
also
from
the
humane
society
jeff.
Would
you
like
to
add
any
words
to
our
presentation.
L
Yes,
thank
you
assemblywoman
martinez.
This
is
jeff
dixon,
I'm
the
nevada
state
director
for
the
humane
society
of
the
united
states.
That
is
juliet
echo
foxtrot,
foxtrot
delta,
indigo
x-ray
oscar
november
on
behalf
of
our
nevada
supporters,
and
all
the
cats
in
the
state
who
have
given
a
choice
would
definitely
keep
their
paws
intact.
L
The
term
d-claw
is,
as
we
often
encounter
when
we're
talking
about
things
that
humans
do
that
to
animals
is
a
euphemism.
The
medical
african
effects
include
pain
infection
tissue
necrosis,
which
is
tissue,
death,
lameness
back
pain.
Removing
your
claws
changes
the
way
if
cat's
foot
meets
the
ground
can
cause
pain
similar
to
wearing
an
ill-fitting
pair
of
shoes.
There
can
be
also
be
a
regrowth
of
improperly
removed,
claws,
nerve
damage
and
spurs,
and
one
in
five
cats
have
long-term
complications
from
d-claws
surgery.
L
So
you
know
the
terrible
and
irreversible
medical
and
psychological
effects
on
cats.
The
legality
of
non-therapeutic
d-class
sends
the
wrong
message.
We
believe
to
pet
owners
that
non-therapeutic
amputations
are
an
acceptable
thing
to
do
to
one's
animal.
It
puts
some
veterinarians
in
a
position
to
keep
their
to
it's
a
dilemma
where
they
have
to
decide
whether
to
keep
their
customer
or
to
keep
their
cat
with
the
customer
or
decline
to
perform
the
procedure.
L
Veterinarians
have
an
emotionally
difficult
job,
as
is,
and
this
law
would
spare
them
from
that
common
dilemma.
By
prohibiting
this
practice,
we
send
the
message
that
humane
solutions
are
the
only
way
to
address
these
natural
behaviors
happen
to
sometimes
inconvenience
humans.
L
These
solutions
include
trimming
nail
caps,
designated
strategy
surfaces
which
I
can
show
you.
My
cats
here
she's
put
a
very
nice
divot
in
her.
I
don't
know
what
it's
called.
I
got
it
at
walmart
for
like
seven
dollars
and
many
other
solutions
that
one
can
easily
find
on
the
internet.
One
can
even
use
the
funds
that
would
normally
go
to
that
would
go
to
an
operation
to
hiring
a
behavior
specialist
to
consult
on
the
issue.
The
continued
legality
of
non-therapeutic
deploy
undermines
the
life-saving
work.
L
This
is
very
important,
represented
by
hundreds
of
thousands
of
work
hours
and
volunteer
hours
and
massive
sums
of
public
and
donor
money
done
by
the
animal
welfare
community
in
the
state.
Cats
suffer
from
these
procedures
psychologically
and
physically.
That
often
leads
to
behavioral
adaptations,
but
even
less
tolerable
to
their
humans
than
the
ones
whose
initially
intended
to
prevent
or
mitigate
if
they
make
it
to
a
shelter,
they
have
a
tough
time
getting
out.
L
Claws
are
part
of
the
cat's
essence
and
you
cannot
simply
train
their
distress,
discomfort
and
defensiveness
out
of
them,
and
it
takes
a
patient
and
knowledgeable
person
to
adopt
one
of
these
animals
and
they
can't
just
put
them
outside
like
a
barn
cat
where
they
are
gonna,
be
compromised
when
it
comes
to
hunting
and
they
can
become
more
fearful
because
they
don't
have
their
first
line
of
defense.
L
I
would
like
to
point
you
to
a
coalition
of
animal
welfare
organizations
that
are
in
support,
and
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
exhibits,
but
it's
down
toward
the
bottom.
I
believe,
and
it's
co-signed
by
some
major
organizations
which
you
might
recognize
you
have
kathmandu
in
carson
city.
Heaven
can't
wait.
L
Animal
society
in
las
vegas,
homeward
bound
cat
adoptions
in
las
vegas,
humane
network
in
reno,
pal
envy
and
rescue
treasures,
cat
cafe
in
las
vegas,
the
spca
of
northern
nevada
and
reno,
and
the
animal
foundation
in
las
vegas,
the
last
of
which
they
serve.
They
are
the
shelter
the
government
contracted
shelter
for
about
1.7
million
nevadans.
L
In
closing,
if
you
pass
this
bill,
the
people
on
blood
vendors
will
be
fine,
they're
fine
in
all
these
other
countries,
immunocompromised
people
will
be
fine.
Veterinarians
will
be
fine.
In
some
cases.
Relieved
and
the
animal
welfare
community
will
benefit
as
one
of
the
drivers
of
surrenders
and
euthanasias
will
be
discontinued,
and
most
of
all,
the
animals
will
be
spared
the
prospect
of
undergoing
this
life-altering
and
unnecessary
procedure.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Let's
see
here
we'll
start
with
a
question
from
assemblywoman
anderson.
M
Thank
you,
chair
watts,
and
thank
you
assemblymember
martinez,
for
bringing
this
forward
as
a
fellow
cat
lover.
I
I
really
appreciate
this
information.
My
question
has
to
do
with
section.
M
J
I
would
like
to
defer
that
question
to
mr
horn.
Mr
horn,
are
you.
O
O
We
know
there
was
some
pushback
saying
that
wasn't
in
line
with
other
fees,
but
if,
if
you're
talking
about
the
average
cost
of
declining
a
cat,
is
about
250
dollars,
you
have
to
set
the
fee
in
such
a
place
to
where
they're
not
going
to
do
a
cosmetic
procedure
and
because
the
the
fine
is
so
low,
we
absorb
it.
So
it
has
to
be
a
deterrent
in
doing
so,.
M
I
agree
with
that
understand
that
that
the
thought
process
with
it
for
the
first
violation,
it
would
be
a
hundred
dollars,
but
for
the
second
violation
of
150
would
that
be
within
us
a
year
or
what?
How
or
would
it
be
for
five
years
later,
I
guess
I'm
just
asking
for
that.
Little
clarification
of
the
time
frame
between
when
the
lack
of
a
better
term
the
clock
starts
ticking.
O
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
My
question
really
result
revolves
around
the
veterinary
practice
and
I'm
wondering
and
and
when
you
had
your
the
veterinarian
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
missing
her
name,
I'm
not
seeing
her
on
the
screen
right
now,
so
I
apologize
for
that.
The
the
veterinarian
association
nationwide.
What
is
their
stance
on?
I'm
not
sure.
I
heard
you
say
that
if
they
took
a
taken,
a
professional
opinion
on
decline.
K
The
jennifer
conrad
for
the
paul
project,
the
professional
opinion,
is
that
decline
should
only
be
done
as
a
last
resort
when
all
humane
alternatives
have
been
exhausted.
K
Unfortunately,
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
that
76
of
d-claws
are
performed
on
kittens.
You
were
then
eight
months
old.
K
It
says
decline
should
be
only
performed
as
a
last
resort.
After
all,
the
humane
alternatives
have
been
exhausted
and
unfortunately,
most
veterinarians
don't
adhere
to
that,
because
declawing
is
often
found
in
kitten
packages.
Okay
is.
H
K
Generally,
you
hope,
there's
anesthesia,
it's
often
piggybacked
onto
a
spay
or
neuter
so
that
the
client
doesn't
have
to
pay
for
a
second
anesthesia.
K
So,
but
the
problem
with
it
is
that
30
percent
of
veterinarians,
declawing
is
so
predictably
painful.
It's
used
in
clinical
trials
to
test
pain,
medication
and
yet,
according
to
the
literature,
30
percent
of
veterinarians
are
using
no
pain,
medication
whatsoever
because
they
learn
in
school
that
cats
are
sensitive
to
pain
medications,
so
they
just
opt
not
to
use
it.
H
Thank
you,
so
only
one
other
state
so
far
has
this
legislation
is.
Is
that
what
I
also
heard
you
say
only
one
status
passes
and
what
state
is
that
that.
K
Oh,
I'm
sorry
jennifer
conrad,
paul
project,
the
state
of
new
york,
seven
canadian
provinces
and
11
u.s
cities.
H
H
It
sounds
like
you
have
cities
that
have
passed
ordinances
that
prohibit
this.
Is
there
anything,
and
maybe
legal
could
tell
us?
Is
there
anything
in
current
statute
that
would
prohibit
a
county
from
prohibiting
that
and
maybe
left
to
locals
and
what's
best
for
an
area
versus
a
state
nrs
with
fines.
A
F
Thank
you,
chair
watts,
alan
ambron,
for
the
record.
As
far
as
I
know
as
of
right
now
that
is
on
it's
just
unspecified.
In
current
statute,
we
could
specified
if
we
so
desired
or
if
the
community
is
so
desired.
But
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
there's
it's
just
an
undefined
aspect
of
the
wall.
Right
right.
H
So
right
now
nothing
prohibits
as
other
cities,
you
said,
perhaps
los
angeles
or
some
other
cities
have
chosen
to
say:
hey
we're
not
going
to
let
our
veterinarians
do
this
any
longer.
So
what
I
understand
is
that
only
one
other
state
and
that's
new
york
who's
done
this
there's
nothing
prohibits
a
veterinarian
from
saying.
No,
I'm
not
going
to
do
this
anymore
and
to
a
any
local
cities,
municipalities
they
could
have
their
own
ordinances.
That
that
passes
that
have
this
regulation
is
that
correct.
F
Alan
amber
again
for
the
record,
I
believe
again
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
I
believe
that
they
could.
Of
course,
if
this
bill
was
passed
as
written,
then
they
would
have
to
comply
with
statute.
H
Correct
and
then
the
final
thing
is
the
was
mentioned
that
there
is
as
a
physician
er
again,
you
guys
have
heard
me
say
this
before
I
have
taken
care
of
multiple
patients
with
cat
cat
scratch
disease.
H
H
The
veterinarian
testified
that
I
I
didn't
have
not
been
able
to
see
that
data
that
a
declawed
cat
bites
more,
and
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
where
that
that
is
great
to
see
whatever
study
that
showed,
but
I'm
concerned
about
from
it
says
in
this
chapter
that
for
that
cats
reason
you
could
not
you
could
you,
you
could
do
it
for
uncertain
situations
with
the
cats,
and
then
you
testified
that
there
was
never
a
reason
or
to
be
done
if
a
person
has
a
cat
that,
because
of
immune
deficiencies
or
whatever
is
there's
no
indication
that
it
prevents
disease.
H
However,
I'm
not
see
I'm
seeing
it
differently,
I'm
seeing
that
there
is
potential
in
cat
scratch,
especially
we
saw
some.
I
saw
some
data
between
kids,
especially
children,
five
to
nine
years
old,
tend
to
get
scratched
and
bitten
by
cats.
We
know
the
risk
of
of
how
how
often
they
might
get
an
infection
from
that,
and
I'm
I'm
worried
about
in
certain
special
situations
where
somebody
wants
to
have
a
cat,
and
we
know
you
have
to
be
responsible
pet
ownership.
We
know
that
that
cat
cannot
survive
outside.
H
We
know
that,
as
somebody
mentioned,
it
couldn't
be
a
barn
cap
in
certain
special
situations.
It
doesn't
really
allow
for
an
application
that
I
you
know
could
be
surveyed
and
say
in
this
situation.
That
person
probably
would
be
good.
Maybe
they
shouldn't
be
a
pet
owner.
I
agree.
Maybe
you
know
they
couldn't
take
the
risk
of
being
bitten,
but
I
just
have
concerns
when
it's
a
blanket.
You
can
never
do
this
in
certain
situations.
It
may
be
appropriate.
H
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
if
the
new
york
law
banned
it
entirely
and
never
allowing
for
certain
situations.
O
Mr
chairman,
may
I
chime
in.
O
I
to
portion
to
dr
titus's
concerns
on
medical
reasons,
the
article
from
the
the
american
veterinary
medical
association
and
java
news
when
addressing
what
the
standard
of
care
is
and
and
doing
these
procedures
and
one
of
the
concerns
on
whether
or
not
disease
health
of
their
owners.
The
pet
owners
was
not
of
concern
and
in
fact
they
note
that
even
the
center
for
disease
control
and
prevention
doesn't
list
decline
among
potential
means
for
preventing
disease
and
humans,
and
this
article
is
from
march
2020
last
year.
H
Yeah
I
saw
I
did
actually
look
at
that,
but
it
doesn't
recommend
decline,
but
it
doesn't
say
that,
interestingly
enough,
it
may
or
may
not
help,
but
they
did
the
use
of
term
clipping
the
claws,
shortening
the
claws
they
use
the
term
having
you
know
claw
thing
so
appreciate
that,
but
it
still
doesn't
mean
that
it
it
may
not
have
helped
so
anyway.
I
appreciate
the
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
G
Thank
you
chair
for
the
opportunity
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I've
certainly
appreciated
the
the
education,
the
information
I
I
own,
two
cats
they're,
not
declawed.
G
I
want
to
visit
this
idea
of
pain
in
animals
in
particular
well
with
cats,
but
you
know
we're
dealing
with
it
in
our
own
home
we
have
a
14
year
old
pug
and
I'm
always
wondering
how
am
I
going
to
know
and
I've
got
some
good
direction,
but
so
when
we
talk
about
the
decline
procedure
and
then
the
pain
of
it,
I'm
curious.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
know
what
the
levels
of
pain
are,
because
we
can't
communicate
per
se
with
them?
And
then
I'm
thinking
about
that
in
light
of
spain
and
neutering?
G
Certainly
those
are
painful
procedures.
So,
are
we
saying
that
the
cats
are
in
pain
continually
where
with
spay
and
neuter,
hopefully
it's
just
pain
or
a
surgery
to
recover
from?
So
I'm
not
understanding.
If,
if
the
issue
with
the
pain
on
the
decline
is
long-term.
G
A
K
Thank
you
very
much,
jennifer
conrad
paul
project.
What
we
know
is
that
declawing
is
so
predictably
painful
that
it's
used
in
in
clinical
trials.
We
also
know
that
there
are
ways
to
assess
pain
in
cats,
that
more
and
more
ways,
and
they
have
to
do
with
facial
grimaces
and
how
the
ears
are
held
and
how
the
whiskers
are
held
and
what
the
pain
textbooks
say
is
that
declawing
is
severe
pain.
Spay
is
moderate,
pain
and
neuter
is
mild
pain
according
to
the
way
the
animal's
facial
expression
changes.
K
We
also
know
that
there's
a
study
where
declawed
cats,
where
they
declawed
it
the
one
paw
on
a
cat
and
then
they
had
them,
walk
on
a
force
plate
so
that
they
could
tell
how
they
shifted
the
weight
in
order
to
avoid
putting
pressure
on
the
paw
and
the
study
only
lasted
for
12
days,
but
the
cats
were
still
limping
on
that
paw
after
12
days.
K
So
that's
what
I'm
talking
about.
It
seems
like
it's
there's
a
lot
of
indication
that
there's
chronic
pain
involved
and
the
literature
says
that
20
of
cats
will
have
a
permanent
surgical,
complication
and
50
will
have
immediate
surgical
complications.
A
Thank
you.
I
believe
we
have
a
question
from
assemblywoman
brown
may
and
I
just
asked
our
members
and
presenters
to
please
be
brief
in
your
questions
and
responses.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
have
a
question
relative
to
the
frequency
of
this
procedure
happening
in
urban
areas
versus
rural
as
we
listen
to
assemblywoman.
Dr
titus
talk
about
her
having
cats
and
in
a
rural
setting,
I'm
wondering
if
we
would
see
this
procedure
more
in
an
urban
setting
as
a
result
of
an
indoor
cat
as
opposed
to
an
indoor
outdoor
cat.
L
A
Seeing
none,
I
will
now
open
testimony
on
assembly
bill
209.
For
the
sake
of
time,
I'm
going
to
limit
testimony
for
for
support,
opposition
and
neutral
to
20
minutes
in
each
position
and
again
we
are
going
to
ask
each
speaker
to
limit
their
remarks
to
two
minutes
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
broadcast
production
services
to
see.
If
we
have
anybody
wishing
to
provide
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
209.
I
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
and
thank
you
assemblywoman
martinez,
for
bringing
this
bill
to
the
legislature.
My
name
is
kelly.
Bolin,
I'm
a
certified
animal
behavior
consultant
here
in
nevada,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
the
bill.
Ab209,
the
ban
on
decline,
cats,
I've
consulted
with
cat
owners
for
over
20
years
to
help
resolve
behavioral
issues.
E
A
substantial
number
of
my
cases
involve
unwanted
behaviors
that
resulted
from
decline
procedure.
These
behavioral
challenges
include:
loss
of
litter,
box,
use,
increased
emotional,
emotional
sensitivity,
fear
and
irritability,
and
an
increase
in
aggressive
behavior
towards
humans
and
other
pets.
In
most
cases,
these
behavioral
issues
stem
from
chronic
pain
that
many
declog
cats
suffer
from
when
a
declawed
cat
becomes
aggressive,
they
often
resort
to
biting
because
they
no
longer
have
their
first
line
of
defense
weaponry
their
claws,
making
them
more
dangerous
to
people
when
they
are
afraid
and
feel
the
need
to
lash
out
in
defense.
E
I've
also
consulted
with
animal
shelters
over
the
past
20
years
in
every
shelter
in
the
united
states,
including
those
here.
Those
here
in
nevada,
with
whom
I
have
worked,
received
declawed
cats
surrendered
by
their
owner.
Because
of
unwanted
behavior,
stemming
from
declawing
as
a
behavior,
so
thought
of
using
an
invasive
surgical
intervention
to
solve
a
manageable
behavior
is
excessive
and
inhumane.
E
P
P
There's
absolutely
no
reason
to
declaw
a
cat.
There
are
dozens
of
effective
and
humane
methods
to
address
the
scratching
of
household
items
and
furniture.
These
methods
are
easily
researched
and
obtained,
and
I
would
recommend
that
pet
owners
consult
with
their
veterinary
professionals
regarding
these
better
methods.
I
P
P
P
Cats
that
have
been
declawed
are
in
a
separate
room
because
their
only
defense
form
of
defense
is
taken
away,
so
they
have
to
be
put
into
a
separate
room
in
these
shelters
because
they
are
defenseless.
Essentially,
it's
an
archaic
practice
and
cats
can
be
trained
to
claw
on
specific
items
of
furniture
designed
specifically
for
them.
P
I
have
trained
my
cat
to
claw
on
scratching
posts
and
we
have
cat
posts
all
over
the
house
and
they
know
they
know
that
this
is
their
safe
spot
to
plot
claw
on
excuse
me,
so
I
am
in
full
support
of
this
bill
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
E
A-B-R-A-K-W-O-U-B-A-N-T-E,
thank
you,
assemblywoman
martinez,
for
bringing
this
important
piece
of
legislation
forward.
Catholic
quad
endure
an
immense
amount
of
pain,
making
it
difficult
for
them
to
do
basic
actions
such
as
walking
stretching
and
even
defending
themselves
against
other
animals
declining
brings
in
long-term
effects
like
back
pain
and
serious
infections
due
to
possible
shattered
bones
from
the
surgical
nail
powder
decline
is
inhumane,
unethical,
and
that
is
why
ab21a
and
has
my
full
support.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
E
Good
afternoon,
mr
chair
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
rebecca
goff
r
e
b
e
season
cat
he's
in
cat
a
g's
and
girls.
O
s
has
been
frank,
epping
frank,
I'm,
the
clinic
manager
at
the
nevada,
humane
society
in
reno,
and
have
worked
in
veterinary
medicine
for
over
a
decade.
I'm
here
today,
speaking
in
support
of
the
spill
as
a
representative
of
the
nevada,
humane
society,
as
nevada's
only
open
admission,
no
kill
shelter.
E
We
also
understand
that
there
will
be
some
cases
where
medical
or
medical
reasons
declined
to
be
necessary
by
a
cat
vet,
and
we
appreciate
that
this
bill
addresses
that
as
well.
We
face
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
for
bringing
this
important
issue
to
our
state's
attention
and
we
urge
the
committee
support.
Thank.
I
P
Hi,
my
name
is
rhodas
baruch
r-o-d-a-s-b-I-r-u-k.
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
martinez,
for
bringing
this
important
piece
of
legislation
forward.
Ab209
has
my
full
and
strong
support,
because
decline
is
unethical,
unnecessary
and
a
cruel
practice
that
has
the
potential
to
damage
a
cat's
well-being
for
the
rest
of
his
life.
Cats
need
their
clots
to
do
numerous
things
such
as
gripping
items
like
furniture,
so
they
don't
fall
in
slip
and
even
self-defense.
P
It
wouldn't
be
right
for
such
a
major
part
of
them
to
be
taken
away.
In
addition,
by
taking
away
their
claws,
cats
could
also
begin
utilizing
more
harmful
behavior
towards
humans
is
for
the
overall
safety
and
health
of
both
cats
and
humans
that
I
stand
by
this
bill.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
this
out.
I
E
G-O-R-E-L-O-W
and
I
am
in
support
of
bill
ab209
because
decline,
cash
is
equivalent
to
amputating
human
fingers
at
the
third
knuckle
and
the
nih
cdc
public
health
service
and
infectious
disease
disease.
Society
of
america
has
specifically
stated
that
declawing
cats
is
not
advised
even
for
persons
who
are
severely.
J
A
All
right,
thank
you
with
that.
We'll
move
on
to
testimony
in
opposition
of
assembly
bill
209.
I
I
A
J
Thank
you,
chair
watts.
As
we
were
speaking
on
the
previous
bill,
I
heard
one
of
the
words
that
was
mentioned
a
few
times
about
humanity
about
being
humane
to
the
animals.
Well,
this
can
trickle
down
to
this
bill
as
well.
We
need
to
be
humane
to
these
animals
what
what
they
do
to
their
to
their
lit
to
their
paws,
it's
so
archaic.
J
You
know
I
once
heard
angela
and
maya
angelou
once
said.
You
know
that
when
we
know
better,
we
do
better.
So
I
also
wanted
to
emphasize
that
I
have
tremendous
amount
of
respect
for
veterinarians.
J
J
A
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
martinez,
with
that
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
209,
and
I
believe
that
takes
us
to
the
final
item
on
our
agenda.
For
today,
which
is
public
comment
as
a
reminder
provide
public
comment.
You
must
register
in
advance
on
the
legislature's
website,
where
you'll
be
given
call-in
information.
A
Thank
you,
members
for
your
time,
attention
and
questions,
and
thanks
to
all
of
those
who
joined
us,
to
provide
your
insights
onto
the
bills
that
were
heard
today,
members
as
a
informational
item,
we
will
be
scheduling
a
meeting
for
friday,
the
ninth
of
next
week,
that
will
be
to
handle
work
session
items,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
everyone
a
heads
up
for
planning
purposes
on
that,
and
I
believe
with
that.
We
are
we're
done
prior
to
six
o'clock
good
job
everyone.