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A
A
A
We
have
some
other
committees
that
are
still
wrapping
up,
so
that
will
give
an
opportunity
for
some
of
our
other
members
to
arrive
after
sb
406,
I'm
planning
to
conduct
our
work
session
and
then
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
today
will
be
sb
344,
so
everybody
can
plan
for
that
with
that,
I
think
we
can
skip
past
the
housekeeping
items
for
today
and
get
right
into
our
business.
So
with
that,
I
will
open
the
hearing
on
sb
406,
which
revises
provisions
relating
to
wildlife.
I
see
we
have
director
wasley
joining
us
welcome
director.
C
Thank
you,
chair
committee
members,
sbe
406
is
a
bill
from
the
department
of
wildlife
in
its
present
form.
This
bill
does
two
things.
The
first
thing
that
this
bill
does
is
it
creates,
or
the
possibility
of
an
electronic
tag
simply
creating
that
as
a
possibility
in
this
statute,
it
doesn't
mean
that
everyone
will
be
required
to
have
that
tag,
but
it
adds
language
that
would
allow
for
a
hunter
in
the
in
the
field
could
have
a
tag
on
his
or
her
phone.
C
That
tag
could
be
electronically
punched.
It
could
be
date
stamped
time
and
date
stamp
with
specific
gps
coordinates.
It
could
be
automatically
uploaded
into
the
department's
harvest
database
to
make
the
record
keeping
of
harvest
easier.
Simplifying
the
process
for
for
tag
holders
prevent
some
of
the
challenges
that
arise
from
lost
tags
tag
replacement.
C
That's
one
of
the
things
that
this
bill
does.
The
other
thing
that
this
bill
presently
does.
Is
it
changes
the
residency
requirement
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
a
senior
hunting
tag
or
excuse
me
license,
and
so
all
of
the
residency
requirements
for
licensure,
with
the
department
of
wildlife,
our
six-month
residency
in
the
state
of
nevada?
However,
we
failed
to
address
this
with
our
simplification
effort
a
couple
sessions
ago,
and
so
this
is
really
kind
of
a
housekeeping
detail.
C
We'd
like
to
achieve
consistency
for
that
residency
requirement,
and
we
believe
that
seniors
shouldn't
be
necessary
for
seniors
to
reside
in
the
state
of
nevada
for
five
years
to
be
eligible
for
that
reduced
rate
license
and
that
they
should
be
held
to
the
same
residency
requirement
as
as
everyone
else
which
is
six
months.
So
those
are
the
the
two
things
that
this
bill
does.
The
department
would
would
also
like
to
offer
an
amendment
in
concept
at
this
point
to
give
the
department
some
much
needed
flexibility
in
responding
to
emergency
situations.
C
The
department
has
been
faced
with
a
couple
emergencies
just
within
the
past
couple
years,
one
related
to
drought,
with
some
of
the
severe
drought
in
the
southern
part
of
the
state.
In
particular,
it
was
brought
to
the
department's
attention
late
last
last
summer,
the
condition
of
some
of
our
artificial
water
developments
for
bighorn
sheep
that
we
had
sheep,
literally
dying
succumbing
to
dehydration
at
those
water
sources
that
they
had
become
accustomed
to
to
using.
C
We
were
able
to
respond
quickly
with
the
assistance
of
some
large
donations
from
the
ngo
community
and
all
all
told
we
were
able
to
haul
167
thousand
gallons
of
supplemental
water
to
30
different
water
developments
or
guzzlers,
as
we
call
them
in
18
different
mountain
ranges
and
avoid
further
losses
where
we
could
have
realistically
lost
hundreds
of
bighorn
chief,
and
it
was
flexibility
to
accept
and
expand
those
donated
dollars
that
allowed
us
to
respond
quickly.
C
We
have
other
issues
related
to
wildfire,
wildfire
restoration,
wildlife
disease.
C
C
There
were
some
amendments
offered
and
we're
not
exactly
sure
what
happened
to
those
at
that
point
in
time,
but
we
had
been
administering
this
account
in
a
way
that
exercised
the
flexibility
that
I
just
described.
It
was
just
recently
brought
to
our
attention
that
that
wasn't
actually
flexibility
afforded
the
department
in
statute,
and
so
we're
looking
to
regain
some
of
that
flexibility
consistent
with
the
way
that
this
account
has
been
administered.
C
So
we
would
would
like
to
offer
in
concept
an
amendment
that
would
exempt
that
wildlife
trust
fund
account
from
certain
provisions
of
of
nrs
35335
to
donations
from
private
sources
accepted
in
certain
unanticipated
emergency
circumstances.
There
are
three
aspects
to
this
amendment
in
concept.
One
is
that
we
would
define
those
certain
unanticipated
emergency
circumstances
that
would
be
related
to
and
including
wildlife,
disease
events,
extreme
drought,
wildfire
and
wildfire
related
rehabilitation
efforts
or
other
similar
events
that
put
wildlife
wildlife,
habitat
or
human
life
at
risks.
C
The
second
thing
that
we
would
like
the
committee
to
consider
as
a
possible
amendment
is
a
cap
on
that
amount
per
emergency
event,
that
the
department
is
able
to
accept
and
expend
so
that
that
wouldn't
be
unlimited,
but
could
be
capped
at
250
000.
So
that
would
buy
us
the
necessary
time
to
then
get
on
an
interim
finance
committee
agenda
which
typically
takes
between
two
to
four
months
for
those
approvals.
C
The
third
thing
that
this
amendment
in
concept
would
would
aim
to
do
is
a
reporting
requirement
at
a
reporting
requirement
so
that
the
department
would
submit
a
report
to
the
interim
finance
committee
for
placement
on
the
soonest
available
meeting
of
the
ifc
following
acceptance
of
emergency
funds
acquired
pursuant
to
the
first
portion
of
that
amendment,
and
that
report
would
contain
information
pertaining
to
the
emergency
event.
The
amount
received
in
donation,
the
amount
of
donations
expended
the
don't
identify
the
donating
parties
and
then
those
event
specific
donations.
C
We
believe
that
that
250
000
per
event
cap
could
allow
us
to
respond
to
some
of
the
emergent
situations
that
we've
been
faced
with
in
the
past
couple
years.
I
mentioned
the
drought
issue,
there's
a
couple
other
that
I
think
are
are
really
good
examples.
C
One
pertains
to
wildfire
rehabilitation
where,
typically,
we
have
a
very
narrow
biological
window
in
which
to
respond.
We
have
huge
differences
in
total
acres
burned
per
year.
In
2019,
we
had
over
a
million
acres
that
had
burned.
We
had
a
35-day
federal
government
shutdown
during
that
four-month
biological
window,
and
it
was
only
with
the
assistance
of
donated
dollars
that
the
department
was
able
to
step
up,
take
advantage
of
that
four-month
window
and
and
get
seed
back
in
the
ground
to
maintain
ecosystem
integrity.
C
One
of
the
challenges
is
in
rehabilitation
is:
if
we
don't
take
advantage
of
that
four-month
window,
then
we're
allowing
cheatgrass
or
other
non-native
invasive
species
to
become
established
in
those
sites,
and
then
the
rehabilitation
efforts
are
are
significantly
more
difficult
and
significantly
less
successful.
C
I
think
you
know
those
are
a
couple
of
very
good
examples
of
of
wildfire.
We've
had
wildlife
disease
issues,
unanticipated
events
as
well.
I
think
one
other
unique
aspect
to
the
department
of
wildlife
as
an
executive
branch
agency
is
that
we
do
enjoy
the
partnership
of
a
significant
number
of
non-governmental
organizations
and
conservation,
as
well
as
industry
partners
who,
quite
frankly,
the
ngos,
build
memberships
around.
You
know
the
opportunity
to
contribute
in
these
these
meaningful
ways
so
being
able
to
to
benefit
from
those
private
donations
respond
to
emergencies,
but
do
so
with
with
accountability.
C
Transparency
and
statutory
guidance
is
really
what
what
we
would
seek
in
in
offering
this
amendment,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
to
try
to
provide
more
specifics
or
answer
any
questions
should.
Should
there
be
any
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much
director
wasley
for
the
presentation.
With
that
we'll
take
we'll
move
on
to
member
questions.
I
believe.
First
up
we
have
assemblyman
wheeler.
D
Hey
thank
you,
mr
chair
director.
The
bill
part
of
it,
I
think,
is
pretty
straightforward
and
fine,
but
I'd
like
to
address
the
amendment
for
the
second
here.
It
says
that
it's
up
to
250
000
in
gifts
and
donations
for
emergencies,
and
I'm
wondering
why
you're
limiting
yourself
for
that.
I
can
see
instances
of
feeding
entire
herds,
etc.
That
will
go
well
beyond
250
thousand
dollars.
I'm
wondering
why
the
limit
I'm
also
wondering
as
a
follow-up
who
it
is
that
makes
the
decision
to
go
out
and
get
these.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
assemblyman,
mr
chair.
Through
you
excellent
questions.
The
the
250
000
amount
may
seem
relatively
arbitrary.
I
I
really
do
appreciate
that
question,
because
in
2019
we
took
in
480
000
in
donations
towards
fire
rehabilitation
and
clearly
that
480
000
is
in
excess
of
the
250..
C
The
250,
quite
frankly,
is
is
in
response
to
an
expressed
desire
by
the
legislature
to
understandably
provide
oversight,
and
we
don't
want
to
perpetuate
the
notion
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
oversight
in
any
way
shape
or
form
that
we
want
to
follow
the
process.
We
want
to
come
before
the
interim
finance
committee.
We
want
to
to
highlight
the
partnerships,
the
donated
dollars
and
the
good
work
that
our
agency's
doing,
but
we
don't
want
to
appear
greedy.
In
doing
so,
we
looked
through
the
donated
amounts.
C
We
looked
at
those
emergency
events
and,
as
I
just
represented,
we
collected
480
000
from
14
different
partners
on
the
2019
fire
rehab
season,
so
there
could
be
value
in
making
that
larger,
in
terms
of
who
makes
the
determination
of
a
emergency
event.
Ultimately,
you
know
the
way
that
that
is
is
presently
envisioned.
As
a
conceptual
amendment
is,
that
would
be
within
the
department
who
would
then
report
on
that
event
and
the
acceptance
of
those
donated
funds
to
the
interim
finance
committee?
C
If,
if
you
or
other
committee
members
have
ideas
on
a
really
expeditious
way
of
making
that
declaration,
I
would
I
would
entertain
any
thoughts
you
might
have.
I
will
share
with
you
that
when
we
first
learned
that
we
had
bighorn
sheep
dying
of
dehydration
at
artificial
water
developments,
we
were
welcomed
at
8
a.m
and
in
the
director's
office
by
staff.
Who
said,
I
think
we
have
a
problem.
We
were
able
to
immediately
mobilize
and
confirm
that
we
had
that
problem
by
9
am
and
by
10
30.
C
Am
we
had
two
ngos
who
contributed
committed
to
contributing
75
000
each,
which
enabled
us
to
purchase
equipment,
pumps,
some
buckets
special
buckets
that
could
be
slung
in
by
our
helicopters
and
respond
immediately.
So
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
in
making
that
determination
is
not
so
much
who
who
does
it,
but
that
it's
really
timely
and
there's
certainly
really
black
and
white
situations
where
there
could
be
some
challenges
in
some
of
those
grey
situations.
C
It
would
be
my
hope
that,
as
the
department
were
before
the
interim
finance
committee
reporting
specifically
on
the
emergency
event,
that
there
would
be
a
feedback
in
the
event
that
it
was,
you
know
perceived
that
the
department
was
taking
advantage
of
that
determination
that
there
would
be
some
opportunity
for
feedback,
but
by
all
means,
if
there
are
some
thoughts
or
ideas
on
on
making.
That
determination
in
an
expeditious
manner
would
welcome
those
thoughts
as
well.
D
Okay,
as
you
said,
the
250
000,
you
know
you
didn't
want
to
seem
greedy,
but
number
three
in
your
amendment
says
that
you
will
send
the
reports
to
ifc,
so
there
is
oversight
there
in
my
opinion,
that
250
ought
to
just
come
out
the
as
far
as
the
the
emergency
declaration,
so
that
would
have
to
pass
through
your
office
correct
as
a
director,
and
you
would
actually
make
that
decision.
Correct.
C
Yes,
thank
you
for
your
question
assemblyman.
That
would
be-
and
we
can
add
that
specifically
in
there
and
the
language
that
currently
exists
pertaining
to
the
wildlife
trust
already
stipulates
that
the
donated
dollars
must
be
extended
in
a
manner
consistent
with
the
direction
and
instruction
of
the
donating
party.
There's
a
a
clause
there
that
says,
if
that
money
is
not
accompanied
by
specific
instruction
from
the
donating
party
that
would
be
expended
in
the
best
judgment
or
best
discretion
of
the
director.
But
that's
that's
secondary.
C
That's
definitely
only
if,
if
that
direction
isn't
provided
by
the
donating
party,
which,
in
the
overwhelming
majority
of
donations,
we
see
clear
instruction
and
we
we
advise
those
donating
parties
to
please
do
so.
What
we
do
when
we
receive
those
donations
is
each
donation
has
a
donation,
specific
code
and
all
the
expenditures
are
tracked
specific
to
that
donation,
and
that
is
also
made
available
in
a
report
to
the
commission
twice
annually:
the
nevada
board
of
wildlife
commissioners,
it's
required
once
annually
in
statute.
D
Thank
you
yeah.
I
believe
you
should.
The
declaration
of
an
emergency
should
be
through
you.
You
know,
that's
what
you
get
those
big
bucks
for
and
the
and
then
approved
by
your
board
of
wildlife
as
expeditiously
as
possible,
but
thank
you
for
your
answers.
D
B
Thank
you,
chair
director.
I
understand
the
the
electronic
tag
that
makes
sense,
but
I
what
happens
if
you
know
hunters
don't
hunt,
I
would
assume
don't
hunt
where
there's
great
service,
how?
How
do
you
account
for
that.
C
A
great
question
vice
chair
cohen,
the
gps
in
smart
devices,
continues
to
work
even
without
a
sell
signal
and
then,
as
soon
it
captures
the
location
even
without
the
sell
signal.
But
then,
once
you
move
back
into
range,
the
stored
coordinates
from
where
you
were
are
uploaded
via
the
the
sell
signal.
So
the
gps
and
satellite
technology
are
functional,
even
when
the
cellular
aspects
are
known.
B
Thank
you
so,
but
so
I
guess
what
I'm?
What
I'm
wondering
is
if
you
had,
if
someone
was
hunt
out
hunting
and
a
someone
from
your
office
came
by
and
wanted
to
see
the
tag
and
the
service,
it
was
a
bad
service,
location.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
vice
chair,
so
that
the
tag
would
be
represented
on
the
on
the
phone
be
stored
on
the
device,
and
so
a
warden
could
verify
that
tag.
It
could
be
something
like
a
url
code
or
it
could
be
some
other
unique
identifier.
C
C
So
you
can
display
it.
You
can
choose
to
punch
it.
The
functionality
is
there,
you
would
validate
your
tag,
it
would
take
the
gps
coordinates
and
the
time
and
the
date
and
then
as
soon
as
you're
back
in
in
sell
signal,
you
would
sell
service.
You
would
still
see
that
a
visual
representation
of
the
tag,
but
the
cellular
functionality
would
then
take
those
gps,
coordinates
and
the
time
and
date
stamp
and
upload
that
to
the
agency's
harvest
database.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
and
and
thank
you,
mr
wasley,
for
for
reaching
out
and
having
the
conversation
about
the
emergencies
and
how
you
would
deal
with
getting
that
information
in
in
front
of
ifc.
E
So
I
I
do
appreciate
mr
wesley
reaching
out
and
having
that
conversation,
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
step
forward
to
address
an
issue
and
then,
if
we
need
to
make
further
adjustments
in
the
future,
we
can
keep
talking
about
that
or
those
of
you
that
are
still
in
the
building
can
keep
talking
about
it.
But
if
something's
in
harm's
way-
and
they
need
to
act,
I
don't
want
them
to
have
to
make
the
choice
to
be
in
violation
of
what
we're
looking
at
I'd.
E
A
Seeing
none
thank
you
again
for
the
presentation
with
that
we'll
open
up
testimony
we'll
begin
with
testimony
in
support
and
we'll
start
with
anybody
in
the
room
wishing
to
offer
testimony
and
support,
seeing
none
broadcast
production
services.
Can
we
see
if
we
have
anyone
wishing
to
provide
support
on
sb
406
by
phone.
F
G
Hi
tiffany
east
t-I-f-f-a-n-y
e-a-s-t
good
afternoon,
chairman
watts
and
assembly
assemblymen
and
women
of
the
natural
resources
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
tiffany
east
and
I'm
the
chairwoman
of
the
nevada
board
of
wildlife
commissioners.
The
commissioners
of
the
commission
supports
sb
406
with
the
proposed
amendment.
As
you've
heard
from
director
wildly
last
fall.
We
experienced
an
unprecedented
water
shortage,
causing
a
number
of
our
big
game
guzzlers
to
go
dry
multiple
times.
This
left
our
wildlife
who
were
dependent
upon
these
resources
with
no
alternative.
G
We
are
blessed
to
have
outstanding
relationships
with
many
of
our
sportsman's
organizations
who
donated
125
000
toward
the
approximately
350
000
to
pay
for
the
water
halls.
The
wildlife
trust
fund
provided
a
secure
tool
for
endow
in
which
to
deposit
these
gifts
for
use
in
in
an
emergency
situation
for
every
dollar,
donated
by
the
ngo
toward
wildlife
conservation.
We
receive
matching
funds.
If
we
were
to
use
different
plots
of
monies,
we
leave
those
matching
funds
on
the
table.
G
Commission
policy
number
one
but
prescribes
guidance
over
monies
deposited
in
the
wildlife
account.
The
commission
receives
these
reports
twice
per
year.
Additionally,
throughout
the
last
15
years,
endow
has
been
subject
to
a
series
of
27
audits,
ranging
in
tight
from
law
enforcement
to
fiscal
and
grant
compliance
and
recently
endow
received
the
cashman
award
for
good
government
in
the
govern
government
category
from
the
nevada,
taxpayers
association
and
the
cashman
family.
G
We
are
supportive
of
the
other
provisions
in
the
proposed
bill,
five-year
residency
requirement
for
a
senior
65
years
and
older,
providing
an
important
activity
for
nevada
citizens
of
all
ages
and
the
electronic
tags
that
provide
important
data
for
us
to
make
decisions
regarding
quotas
in
the
coming
years,
commission
policy
number
24
states
that
the
commission
has
a
duty
to
provide
reasonable
hunting
opportunity
to
nevada
citizens,
in
addition
to
promoting
family
and
other
social,
cultural,
historic
scenic
and
natural
connections.
To
the
outdoors,
we
encourage
you
to
support
the
amendment
and
the
other
provisions
in
sb406.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
testimony.
Chair
east,
we'll
go
on
to
the
next
caller
wishing
to
testify
and.
A
F
H
H
As
as
amended,
I
was
previously
a
30-year
director
of
nevada,
bighorns,
unlimited
and
past
president,
and
was
often
on
the
giving
end
of
of
the
grants
to
department
of
wildlife
for
these
exact
emergency
purposes,
and
they
do
come
about
rapidly
on
fire
restoration.
The
seed
availability
window
is
often
a
bidding
war
between
the
various
states
and
bad
fire
year,
and
the
department
needs
the
ability
to
react
immediately.
H
H
Again,
I
want
to
urge
your
support
of
this
bill
as
as
amended.
Thank
you.
I
I
We
are
speaking
in
support
of
the
proposed
amendment
to
sb
406,
as
presented
by
the
department
which
will
allow
endow
to
accept
gifts,
donations,
bequests
and
grants
and
utilize
those
requests
in
a
timely
manner.
The
proposed
amendment
allows
for
rapid
action
in
the
event
of
emergency
cash
expenditures
to
250
000
and
ensures
transparency
and
accountability
for
how
those
gifts
and
donations
were
used
through
mandatory
reporting
to
both
the
legislature
and
to
the
board
of
wildlife.
I
Commissioners
in
down
mining
are
often
partners
in
restoring
land
scarred
by
wildfire
the
improvement
of
sage
grouse
habitat
and
for
other
species
and
addressing
game
migration
and
population
enhancements,
just
to
name
a
few,
often
as
in
wildfire
rehabilitation.
Time
is
of
the
essence
in
getting
seed
on
the
ground
to
ensure
maximum
viability
and
effectiveness.
I
The
proposed
amendment
to
sb
406
will
reduce
delays
and
ensure
the
necessary
work
for
natural
resource
rehabilitation
and
production
can
be
accomplished
in
a
timely
fashion,
while
ensuring
agency
accountability
for
the
record,
we
are
neutral
on
the
remaining
sections
of
the
bill
because
they
do
not
pertain
to
our
industry.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
these
comments.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
kyle
davis,
k-y-l-e
d-a-v-I-s,
and
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
conservation
league.
We
are
in
support
of
this
bill,
especially
the
amendment
that
you
have
heard
from
from
mr
wasley.
You've
heard
all
of
the
reasons
why
this
is
so
important.
I
We
appreciate
mr
wasley
working
with
the
committee
and
working
with
ms
carlton
on
an
amendment
to
deal
with
this
issue,
while
maintaining
the
appropriate
oversight
for
the
department,
and
we
would
urge
the
committee
support
of
this
amen,
adding
this
amendment
to
this
bill
during
your
committee
today.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Thank
you
with
that,
we'll
close
testimony
director
wasley
is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
add
in
closing.
C
No,
mr
chair,
just
thank
you
and
the
committee
members
for
the
opportunity
to
present
that
amendment
and
present
the
bill
before
you
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
So
with
that
members
we
have
two
bills
on
our
work
session
agenda.
For
today
we
have
sjr10
and
as
sjr12
reminder,
we
don't
typically
take
testimony
during
a
work
session,
but
we
may
call
upon
sponsors
to
clarify
any
questions
that
come
up
with
that.
We
will
begin
our
work
session
with
sjr10,
which
urges
congress
to
protect
the
public
lands,
including
and
adjacent
to
sunrise,
mountain
frenchman,
mountain
and
rainbow
gardens,
mr
stenisbeck,
whenever
you're
ready,
could
you
lead
us
to
the
work
session
document
for
this
measure.
J
Thank
you,
chad
watts,
for
the
record.
Youngster
is
expect
with
the
research
division
of
the
lcb
as
nonpartisan
on
staff.
Account
advocate
for
against
a
measure
comes
first
committee
senate
joint
resolution.
J
10
was
hurting
this
committee
on
april,
28th
and
urgency
united,
says
congress
to
protect
the
public
lands,
including
and
adjacent
to
sunrise,
mountain
frenchman,
mountain
and
rainbow
gardens
in
clark
county
by
designating
all
or
portions
of
the
area
as
a
national
conservation
area,
national
recreation
area
or
national
monument,
or
applying
other
federal
protections
that
congress
deems
appropriate
for
these
important
and
scenic
lands.
Thank
you
chair.
A
K
A
A
J
J
A
All
right,
seeing
none
I'll,
take
a
motion
to
do
pass.
Sjr
12.,
it
seems
like
I,
had
a
motion
from
assemblyman
wheeler.
Do
I
have
a
second
I'll
got
a
second
I'll,
take
it
from
assemblywoman
brownmay?
A
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,
motion
passes
unanimously
of
the
members
present.
I
believe
for
this.
One
we'll
assign
the
floor
statement
to
assemblywoman
peters
as
she
was
involved
in
the
presentation
of
this
and
assemblyman
wheeler
will
have
you
on
board
as
a
backup
all
right.
Thank
you.
Members.
A
That
concludes
our
work
session
and
we
will
now
move
on
to
our
final
bill
hearing
of
the
day,
which
is
sb,
344
enacting
provisions
relating
to
the
importation,
possession,
sale,
transfer
and
breeding
of
dangerous
wild
animals.
With
that
welcome
back
to
the
assembly
committee
on
natural
resources,
senator
orangehall,
you
may
begin
whenever
you
are
ready.
L
Good
afternoon,
chair
watts,
members
of
the
assembly,
natural
resources
committee
for
the
record.
James
orenshall,
represent
state
senate
district
21.,
it's
parts
of
henderson
and
unincorporated
clark
county.
Thank
you
for
scheduling
and
hearing
senate
bill
344.
Today.
I
appreciate
your
time
on
this
important
measure.
L
Tranquilizer
guns
were
not
able
to
take
down
the
18
bengal
tigers
and
17
lions,
as
well
as
several
bears
mountain
lions,
wolves,
a
baboon
and
a
monkey.
The
officers
were
forced
to
use
lethal
force
to
gain
control
over
most
of
these
animals
in
total
48
animals
were
killed.
That
day,
this
case
and
others
around
the
country
illustrate
the
need
for
comprehensive
regulation
and
awareness
when
it
comes
to
the
ownership
of
dangerous
exotic
animals.
L
L
L
According
to
the
university
of
michigan's
animal,
legal
and
historical
center,
ohio
is
now
among
20
states
with
comprehensive
bans
on
the
ownership
on
the
private
ownership
of
dangerous
wild
animals.
With
certain
exceptions,
these
laws
may
prohibit
the
ownership
of
wild
or
exotic
animals
as
pets,
or
some
of
them
allow
only
allow
these
animals
to
be
kept
under
certain
licenses.
L
Meanwhile,
14
states
permit
private
ownership
of
dangerous
exotic
animals
under
a
licensure
or
permit
model.
Those
seeking
licenses
may
need
to
register
with
the
state
or
local
government
and
prove
satisfactory
conditions
for
the
keeping
of
these
animals.
They
may
need
to
pay
a
fee
and
maintain
liability
insurance
in
these
states
under
their
state
laws.
L
You're
going
to
hear
testimony
today
about
threats
that
these
animals
can
cause
to
communities
either
due
to
their
great
strength
or
through
diseases
that
they're
capable
of
spreading.
You
will
also
hear
from
animal
owners
who
say
that
they're
different
than
some
of
these
examples
you'll
hear
about
and
that
they're
good
exotic
animal
owners-
and
that
may
be
very
true,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
a
subsequent
future
owner
of
that
animal
will
also
be
a
responsible
exotic
owner
of
such
an
animal.
L
L
L
L
Sections
2
through
6.6
set
forth
definitions
that
are
applicable
to
the
provisions
in
senate
bill
344
and
title
50
of
the
nrs
you'll
notice
that
section
4
lists
specifically
those
species
that
fall
under
the
definition
of
dangerous
wild
animal.
I
believe
this
definition
is
narrow
enough
to
capture
the
most
dangerous
of
animals
that
the
community
needs
protection
and
that
they
need
protection.
L
You'll
notice,
the
definition
does
not
include
reptiles,
alligators,
raccoons
etc,
but
rather
animals
known
to
be
particularly
dangerous
to
people,
including
various
species
of
lions,
tigers,
primates,
elephants,
wolves
and
wild
cats.
Section
7
states
that
it
is
unlawful
for
a
person
to
import
possess,
sell,
transfer
or
breed
a
dangerous
wild
animal
in
nevada.
The
bill
further
states
that
a
person
shall
not
allow
a
dangerous
wild
animal
to
come
into
direct
contact
with
a
person
who
is
not
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
the
bill.
L
A
member
of
the
public.
These
are
the
only
prohibitions
set
forth
in
senate
bill
344.,
section
8
sets
forth
a
series
of
exemptions,
meaning
this
bill
does
not
apply
to
several
entities
and
individuals
that
are
enumerated
in
this
section,
you'll
notice.
This
includes
research
facilities,
certain
non-profit
entities,
licensed
veterinarians,
law
enforcement
officers,
animal
control
authorities,
the
department
of
wildlife
and
entities
accredited
by
the
association
of
zoos
and
aquariums.
L
The
alliance
of
marine
mammal
parks
and
aquariums
or
their
successor
organizations
also
exempted
are
certain
holders
in
good
standing
of
federal
class
c
licenses
for
exhibitors,
provided
those
exhibitors
are
in
good
standing
and
have
not
had
licensure
problems
or
being
convicted
or
fined
for
animal
abuse
or
neglect.
This
includes
television
shows
movie
productions.
Reality
shows
infomercials
and
documentaries.
L
L
These
include
not
having
been
convicted
or
fined
for
animal
abuse
or
neglect
or
having
a
license
related
to
animal
care,
possession,
sale,
exhibition
or
breeding
that
has
been
revoked
or
suspended
the
ownership
prohibition.
Provisions
of
this
bill
also
do
not
apply
to
existing
owners
if
they
maintain
veterinary
records
and
documents
showing
the
acquisition
of
that
animal
if
they
maintain
a
written
plan
which
must
be
provided
upon
request
to
law
enforcement
or
animal
control.
L
That
is
based
on
the
standards
of
the
american
veterinary
medical
association
or
its
successor
for
the
handling,
restraint,
tranquilization
and
euthanasia,
of
the
animal
in
the
event
of
an
escape
or
when
managing
the
animal.
During
an
emergency,
they
have
sufficient
training
to
care
for
the
animal
and
register
with
local
law
enforcement
or
an
animal
control
authority
indicating
the
number
and
species
of
all
dangerous
wild
exotic
animals
that
they
have
in
their
possession
and
showing
proof
of
liability
insurance
covering
the
property
and
bodily
injury
or
death
that
could
be
caused
by
that
animal
section.
L
10
clarifies
that
if
law
enforcement
or
animal
control
officers
have
probable
cause
to
believe
that
an
owner
has
violated
the
provisions
of
this
law,
they
can't
seize
that
animal
section.
11
describes
how
to
handle
a
seized.
Animal
allows
for
the
voluntary
relinquishment
of
the
animal
by
the
owner
and
sets
forth
the
conditions
for
and
manner
in
which
the
that
animal
can
be
returned
to
the
owner.
Section
12
deals
with
the
appropriate
placement
of
an
animal
that
is
seized
pursuant
to
the
act
section
13
authorizes
a
person
or
entity
given
temporary
custody
of
that
animal.
L
To
petition
a
court
to
order
the
person
from
whom
the
animal
was
seized
to
post
a
security
bond
to
compensate
for
the
cost
of
caring
for
the
animal
during
court
proceedings.
Section
14
indicates
that
nothing
in
this
bill
is
intended
to
conflict
or
being
consistent
with
nrs
chapter
574
related
to
animal
cruelty.
L
Section
15
clarifies
that
local
governments
have
the
right
to
adopt
if
they
choose
ordinances
that
place
additional
restrictions
or
requirements
on
the
importation,
possession,
sale,
transfer
or
breeding
of
dangerous
exotic
animals.
Section
16
provides
that
a
person
who
violates
certain
provisions
of
senate
bill
344
is
subject
to
a
civil
penalty
of
not
more
than
twenty
thousand
dollars.
The
remaining
sections
of
the
bill
address
the
authority
of
local
governments
to
enact
further
restrictions
or
ordinances
concerning
animals
that
do
not
conflict
with
this
legislation
and
provide
other
conforming
changes.
L
Section
26
is
the
effective
date
of
the
bill.
With
your
indulgence
chair,
I
have
warren
hardy
on
zoom.
I
have
jeff
dixon
of
the
humane
society
of
the
united
states
here
in
person
and
lisa
watney
on
zoom,
who
has
great
expertise
on
this
subject.
If
I
could
turn
it
over
to
former
senator
hardy,
then
mr
dixon,
then
ms
watney
and
then
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
the
bill.
A
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation,
senator
and
welcome
former
senator
mr
hardy.
Please
proceed
whenever
you're
ready
thank.
M
You,
mr
chairman,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
committee,
warren
hardy,
representing
today
the
humane
society
of
the
united
states.
I
want
to
thank
you,
chair
for
scheduling
this
hearing
and
for
the
committee's
indulgence
and
hearing
what
we
think
is
a
pretty
important
piece
of
legislation.
I
also
want
to
express
my
gratitude
to
senator
ornsshaul
for
taking
the
time
and
effort
to
shepherd
this
bill.
This
session.
M
M
We
have
worked
with
animal
welfare
groups
with
the
entertainment
industry,
with
law
enforcement
with
the
resort
industry
and,
as
recently
as
9
00
am
this
morning
with
some
other
individuals
from
the
animal
animal
industry,
and-
and
I
I
mentioned
that
mr
chair,
because
we
are
continuing
to
work.
I
met
this
morning
with
our
friend,
william
horn
and
his
client
lion
habitat
regarding
a
couple
of
clarifications
that
they
want
to
see
in
the
bill.
M
M
They
also
are
seeking
some
clarification
that
we
agree
with
on
direct
contact,
they're
concerned
that
the
the
legislation
can
be
rod
read
broadly
enough
as
to
prohibit
contact
by
employees
of
the
animal
facility
or
the
show,
if,
in
the
case
of
a
resort
or
a
production,
and
also
we're
working
with
some
additional
language
on
making
sure
the
exemptions
that
we've
provided
based
on
national
standards
is
not
too
broad.
M
So
we
will
likely
mr
chair
just
so.
You
know
come
forward
with
an
amendment
to
address
the
concerns
of
those
that
are
remaining
in
in
opposition,
or
at
least
in
opposition,
as
as
as
currently
drafted
before.
I
turn
it
over
to
state
director
jeff
dixon.
I
I
want
to
point
out
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
I've
learned
that
are
important
in
this
process.
M
M
M
There
are
some
primates
on
the
list
that
people
may
have
questions
about,
but
it's
absolutely
shown
and
demonstrated
that
these
these
primates
carry
as
well
as
many
of
the
other
animals
on
the
list
and,
frankly,
a
lot
of
the
animals
that
aren't
on
the
list
carry
diseases
that
are
transmittable
to
human
beings,
which
can
be
just
as
devastating
as
a
potential
attack.
M
The
other
point
I
want
to
make-
and
we've
seen
this
before
on
bills-
that
I've
represented
in
front
of
the
legislature
on
behalf
of
the
humane
society
nevada's
on
an
island,
as
senator
orangehall
pointed
out
one
of
four
states
that
doesn't
have
laws
and
at
a
state
level
that
deal
with
these
kinds
of
things.
That's
particularly
important
and
the
reason
I
call
it
an
island
is
because
when
a
state
lacks
guidelines
and
directions
and
laws,
we
find
that
bad
actors
tend
to
flee
to
that
state.
M
I
think
I
don't
know
if
all
of
you
saw
the
tiger
king,
but
it
was
a
fairly
a
fairly
interesting
documentary.
That
kind
of
illustrates
our
point
on
that,
so
I
just
wanted
to
really
make
those
two
points.
Mr
chair,
I
appreciate
the
time
and
if
it
pleases
a
chair,
I'd
like
to
have
mr
dixon
share
a
few
comments.
N
N
It
also
highlighted
why
sp
344,
with
his
background
and
insurance
requirements
and
the
prohibition
on
public
contact
is
a
reasonable,
minimal
standard
to
ask
of
animal
owners.
The
reason
there
are
so
many
big
cats,
especially
tigers
in
the
hands
of
unqualified
individuals
in
the
u.s,
is
because
of
a
practice
called
cupbetting
cup.
Petting
programs
provide
baby,
big
cats,
usually
tigers
to
the
public,
to
pet
feed
play
with
and
pose
with
for
years.
N
Some
more
must
be
continually
bred
to
provide
a
steady
supply
and
replace
those
that
age
out
and
many
of
the
cast
offs
are
sent
to
substandard
facilities
or
into
the
pet
trade.
We
know
that
a
number
of
them
are
sent
were
sent
by
joe
exotic
the
tiger
king
himself
to
a
private
owner
in
pahrump.
It's
a
cycle
of
breeding
and
dumping
that
is
at
the
root
car
cause
of
the
large
surplus
of
big
cats
in
the
u.s.
N
O
O
As
senator
orrin
shall
said,
this
bill
only
applies
to
activities
involving
a
very
specific
and
limited
list
of
dangerous
wild
animals,
including
big
cats,
bears
hyenas,
elephants,
wolves
and
primates,
and
it
does
three
simple
things.
First,
the
bill
bans
the
private
possession
of
these
wild
animals,
although
it's
important
to
note
as
he
did,
that,
there's
a
grandfather
clause.
So
anyone
who
has
any
of
these
animals
currently
as
pets
will
be
able
to
keep
the
animals
they
currently
have.
O
Sb
344
only
applies
to
again
serious
citations
that
directly
affect
the
health
and
well-being
of
an
animal
such
as
failure
to
provide
veterinary
care
failure
to
provide
shelter,
failure
to
provide
food
or
water.
These
are
things
that
are
very
specifically
laid
out
in
the
animal
welfare
act
with
very
specific
citations.
O
It
also
includes
failure
to
allow
a
usda
inspection
or
interfering
with
a
usda
inspection
so
housekeeping,
which
is
what
the
usda
calls
something
like
cobwebs
in
the
corner.
A
housekeeping
violation
does
not
enter
into
this.
It's
only
focusing
on
serious
issues
that
would
directly
affect
an
animal's
health
and
well-being
or
the
public
safety,
and
then,
finally,
as
jeff
said,
it
bans
public
interaction
with
these
animals,
which
is
a
cruel
industry.
That's
led
to
a
really
big
problem
in
this
country.
O
It
affect
it,
impacts
public
safety
and
has
had
a
big
impact
on
law
enforcement
and
animal
sanctuaries.
Trying
to
deal
with
these
issues.
So
sb
344
is
a
very
reasonable
framework
for
addressing
public
safety
and
animal
welfare
in
nevada,
and
we
urge
your
support
of
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
and
that
concludes
your
presentation.
Is
that
correct?
Thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We
will
open
it
up
to
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
I
believe
we
will
start
with
assemblywoman
titus.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
to
all
the
presenters,
and
I
certainly
understand
you're
doing
this
with
best
intentions.
P
Mr
hardy,
you
mentioned
that
you
had
had
some
conversations
with
mr
horn,
and
maybe
I
just
would
want
that
on
the
record,
because
that
was
some
of
my
concerns
regarding
the
ability
of
someone
that
perhaps
already
has
this
is
being
grandfathered
in
and
if
you
already
have
one
of
these
cats
and
and
if
somebody's
walking
that
cat
nobody
else
can
interact
with
that
cat
or
feed
it
so
can.
Can
I
get
some
clarification
on
that,
because
that
was
one
of
the
concerns
that
folks
would
reach
out
to
us.
M
So
the
the
language
already
speaks
to
the
grandfather
again
of
the
so
that
language
is
currently
there.
The
question
turner
mr
horn
and
lion
habitat
had
was
relative
to
whether
or
not
that
prohibition
on
direct
contact
extended
to
those
who
are
providing
care
with
the
for
the
animal
and,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
clarify
that
it
does
not
extend
that
this
is
for
direct
contact
with
the
public
that
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
animal.
M
Leading
to
an
abuse
of
this
system,
because
these
these
cats,
these
these
kittens
are,
are
I
have
an
economic
shelf
life
of
about
three
or
four
weeks.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
right
I'll
be
have
my
colleague
correct
me,
but
very
very
short
time,
and
then
they
have
to
quote
unquote:
dump
the
animal
somewhere
and
we
have.
M
L
In
chair
james
orange,
all
state
senate,
21
2
in
three
to
minority
leader
titus,
agree
with
former
senator
hardy.
My
intent
is
not
direct
contact
is
with
the
public.
That's
what
I
intend
to
prohibit,
not
with
trained
staff
who
need
to
care
for
these
animals.
P
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
Another
question,
mr
church,
so
another
question
I
had
was
existing
law
already
says
that
the
wildlife
commission
establishes
the
rules
and
some
of
this
to
adopt
the
transportation
and
everything
along
these
wildlife
species
are.
Why
are
you
doing
this
on
a
statewide
level,
not
allowing
either
individual
ordinances
say
in
the
counties
and
letting
the
wildlife
commission
make
these
decisions.
L
Thank
you
chair
james
orangeville
state
senate
district
21..
Certainly,
I
believe
that
without
a
uniform
statewide
law
regarding
these
dangerous
exotic
animals,
I
think
that
we
have
big
gaps.
I
think
it's
you
know,
there's
a
reason
that
there's
just
a
small
handful
of
states
that
are
like
nevada
and
that
have
this
gap.
L
And
unfortunately
you
know
the
vacuum
leads
to
nevada
becoming
a
magnet
for
folks
who
cannot
probably
take
care
of
these
animals
and
when
they
can't
probably
take
care
of
these
animals,
it
not
only
puts
the
animals
lives
in
danger
and
their
well-being,
but
also
their
neighbors,
and
anybody
who
might
come
into
contact
with
them.
So
that's
why
I
believe
senate
bill
344
is
needed
and
if
senator
hardy
or
mrs
watney
or
mr
want
to
jump
in,
feel
free.
M
M
Okay,
so
I
would
just
add
two
things
to
that:
we
work
very
hard
with
local
governments
and
at
the
local
level
to
ensure
that
they
had
the
tools
they
needed
if
they
wanted
to
go
beyond
this,
some
counties
already
do.
The
other
thing
we
did
is
work
very
closely
with
endow
and
their
especially
their
law
enforcement
division,
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
conflicting
or
in
any
way
impacting
their
ability
to
do
their
job.
There
are
a
number
of
species
that
are
not
on
this
list.
M
That
might
surprise
some
people
like
rattlesnakes,
for
example,
that
are
not
on
this
list
because
they
are
already
prohibited
by
endow
in
the
state
law.
And
if
I
got
that
wrong,
miss
juani
correct
me,
but
I
I
believe,
that's
accurate.
So
we
worked
very
closely
to
make
sure
we
were
in
in
lockstep,
with
local
governments
and
with
with
law
enforcement
and.
P
Now
yeah,
thank
you
for
that,
because
that
was
my
concern
that
it
seemed
to
me.
The
place
to
start
was
not
changing
our
international
state
level,
but
working
with
the
wildlife
commission
and
and
now
the
people
that
are
charged
to
do
this
already
and
just
wonder
where
the
disconnect
was
that
you
came
to
to
here.
Use
this
avenue.
If
they
didn't.
P
Perhaps
you
know,
respond
to
you
or
your
concerns
and
do
it
through
regulations,
and
so
was
that
ever
an
option
to
maybe
perhaps
in
regulations
through
the
wildlife
commission,
or
we
felt
that
this
was
the
best
avenue.
M
Mr
chair,
that's
a
good
question
and
yes,
we've
worked
as
I
said,
we
have
been
working
for
years
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
you
and
sp
344
is
something
that
we
think
in
reality
are
very,
very,
very
minimal
standards.
We
would
hope
and
encourage
the
local
governments
to
go
well,
but
well
beyond
this
and
and
endow
if
they
feel
necessary.
M
But,
as
senator
orrinshall
said,
we
thought
it
was
important,
given
the
fact
that
we
are
an
island
and
therefore
a
target
for
bad
actors
nationally
and
frankly,
internationally,
that
we
have
some
limited
standards
and-
and
I
will
tell
you
that
that
I
think
most
folks
in
this
in
this
lane-
look
at
sb,
3344
and
think
it's
a
very
light
touch,
and
we
agree
with
that.
But
we
do.
We
do
believe
that
this
should
be
also
left
to
local
governments
to
do
what
makes
sense
for
their
local
communities.
A
A
One
thing
that
I
would
like
to
just
follow
up
on
really
briefly,
it
was
brought
up
was
the
regulatory
options,
and
I
was
just
wanted
to
ask
our
legal
counsel,
mr
amburn.
If
the
wildlife
commission
would
have
jurisdiction
over
this
matter,
currently.
J
Thank
you
for
the
question
chair
watts,
alan
ambron,
for
the
record.
So
currently
I
don't
think
they
would
have
jurisdiction
over
this
matter,
just
because
that
would
probably
be
going
abroad,
the
statute
of
authority
they
would
have
to
adopt
regulations
and
the
new
language
that's
being
added
in
this
does
not
provide
a
new
regulatory
authority
to
an
agency
to
carry
out
these
matters
so,
but
these
language
would
would
be
binding
if
regulations
were
to
be
adopted,
like
any
regulations
would
have
to
comply
with
this
new
language
that
is
being
added
into
statute.
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
assemblywoman,
gonzales
district
16
for
the
record
senator.
Thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
bill
and
the
work
that
you
have
done
on
this
bill.
I
have
a
few
questions,
so
oops
I'll
just
get
started.
Do
we
know
how
many
exotic
animals
are
in
our
state?
I
don't
know
if
you
mentioned
that
in
the
presentation
I
just
missed.
It.
L
Thank
you.
That's
the
moon,
gonzales
james
orange
I'll,
send
it
21.,
we
don't
know,
but
if
that's
one
reason
I
think
senate
bill
344
is
so
past,
so
it's
important
to
pass
because
that
way
there
will
be
a
census,
because
it
requires
whether
you
know
the
folks
who
are
grandfathered
in
under
section
9
to
to
register
and
that
there
is
a
knowledge.
So
right
now
we
don't
know
whether
it's
5
10
110,
and
I
think
that's
one
thing
that'll
be
so
important.
If
this
bill
passes.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
and
then
I
was
also
wondering
so
in
section.
I
think
it's
not
eight.
It
talks
about
if
an
animal
gets
confiscated
that
we
would
euthanize
them.
Why
is
that
the
option,
or
is
there
nowhere
for
them
to
go?
Are
we
just.
L
James
orange
hall
senate
21,
certainly
there
are,
you,
know,
different
options,
including
return
of
the
animal.
If,
if
the
court
deems
that,
that
would
be
appropriate
or
placement
of
the
animal
with
another
placement
that
would
be
suitable,
I
believe
euthanasia
would
certainly
only
be
a
last
resort,
and
you
know
here
I
think
mr
dixon
is
wanting
to
want
to
jump
in,
but
certainly
I
believe
that
the
bill
provides
other
options,
including
return
of
the
animal
and
placement,
assuming
that
the
animal
is
not
returned
to
the
owner.
O
Yeah,
yes,
I
could
say
one
more
thing:
assemblymember
gonzalez,
there
is
one
section
of
the
bill
that
says
an
animal
must
be
euthanized.
O
This
is
something
that
we
tried
to
have
been
trying
to
clarify
with
them
and
just
haven't
been
able
to
touch
base
yet
and
we're
going
to
do
that,
but
that's
my
memory
of
why
they
asked
for
that.
In
that
specific
sec
section,
two
two
legislative
sessions.
A
A
Thank
you
we'll
move
on
to
oh
go
ahead.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
cecilia
gonzalez
district
16
for
the
record,
and
then
my
other
question
was
just
curious
about
the
intent
of
the
penalty.
So
the
first
offense
is
a
misdemeanor
and
then
the
second
offense
jumps
all
the
way
to
a
category
e
felony,
which
you
know
in
my
experience.
Oftentimes
get
pled
down
and
not
really
follow
through.
So
I'm
just
curious
what
the
intent
or
or
what
the
conversation
around
the
penalties
were
on
that
part.
L
Thank
you
chair
james
original
state,
senate
district
21,
certainly
the
spirit
of
graduated
sanctions
and
the
hope
that
you
know
if
a
penalty
of
a
first
offense
misdemeanor,
hopefully
will
do
the
trick
and
someone
would
not
become
a
repeat
offender
but
then
to
go
up
to
the
felony.
If,
if
that
didn't
do
the
trick,
so
that's
certainly
my
intent.
D
D
I'm
trying
to
find
out-
or
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
who
decides
like,
for
instance,
what
is
stressful
to
a
wild
animal.
We
feed
him
the
wrong
cheerios
this
morning,
he's
we've
got
providing
inadequate
veterinary
care.
Who
is
who
decides
that
I
know,
for
instance?
Well,
I
didn't
never
had
exotic
animals.
I
had
a
lot
a
lot
of
large
animals.
We
presided,
we
provided
our
own
veterinary
care
in
this
case.
Would
that
be
illegal?
L
Thank
you,
assemblyman
wheeler,
james
orange,
all
state
senate
district
21.,
certainly
that
part
of
the
bill
under
section
8
has
to
do
with
the
united
states
department
of
agriculture
issuing
a
citation.
So
you
know
that
this
would
be
a
citation
that
was
issued
by
by
the
federal
authority
in
the
previous
three
years,
and
I
know
ms
watney
has
a
lot
of
expertise
on
these
citations
too.
So
share
with
your
indulgence.
I
might
also
reach
out
to
her
because
I
think
she
might
be
able
to
give
me
a
little
a
little
better
clarification
to
assembling.
O
No
as
assembly
member
wheeler,
lisa
watney
for
the
humane
society
of
the
united
states,
it
is
that
section
is
specifically
referring
to
usda
citations,
so
they're
the
ones
that
issue
those
and
they
do
it
again.
This
is
all
this
is
very
laid
out
in
the
federal
animal
welfare
act,
and
so
that
is
what
they
look
at
when
doing
inspections
and
and
what
would
be
looked
at
here.
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
I've.
Actually
it's
been
a
while,
but
I've
seen
this
bill.
I
think
five
times
in
my
five
sessions
or
some
variation
of
it,
and
I
actually
did
look
at
that
section
once
and
I
thought
it
was
very,
very
ambiguous.
Like
really
don't
know
anything
could
happen.
So.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate.
L
It
if
I
could
jump
in
again
james
archel,
senate
district
21.,
certainly
in
the
the
federal
code,
and
then
we've
got
to
copy
that
here.
There
is
a
procedure
where
someone
can
appeal
appeal:
an
inspection
report,
an
alleged
violation
of
by
licensee
appeal,
any
civil
penalty
or
forfeiture.
So
the
federal
law
under
the
animal
offer
act
does
have
a
right
to
appeal.
The
citation.
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
miss
watney
I'd
just
like
to
ask
a
one
further
follow-up,
just
to
make
make
sure
that
the
record
is
absolutely
clear
so
in
in
section
8
in
this
sub-d,
referring
to
the
citations
from
the
department
of
agriculture.
The
the
elements
listed
within
that
are
directly
related
to
the.
A
O
Absolutely
chair
and
I
would
be
happy
to
pull
out
those
sections
of
the
animal
welfare
act
that
specifically
applied
to
these.
These
sections
that
are
mentioned
here
to
you
know,
show
you
how
they
match
up.
If
that
would
be
helpful.
A
K
Chair,
I
got
a
couple
questions
you
know
and
my
colleague
miss
titus
brought
up
about.
You
know
counties
that
already
have
resolutions
in
in
place
right
now
for
exotic
animals
and
and
stuff
like
this,
and
because
of
the
reason,
because
the
wolf
problems
they
had
there
for
a
while
they
were
trying
to
put
this
stuff
in
in
in
the
statute.
So
these
counties
has
got
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
that's
already
there.
But
one
of
the
questions
I
do
have
is
is
number
four.
K
L
Thank
you
assembly,
nelson
james
orange
I'll,
send
it
21..
Certainly
I
think
you
know
we
try
to
be
very,
not
very
selective
in
terms
of
the
enumerated
list
and
not
overload
the
statutes
and
just
pick
what
we
thought
were
the
animals
that
could
be
the
biggest
threat
both
to
public
safety
and
biggest
threat
to
themselves
that
they're
not
adequately
cared
for.
If
you
think,
there's
something
another
other
species
that
should
be
included,
or
it's
always
time
we're
still
time
to
amend
it.
L
I'm
gonna
defer
to
others
that
they
want
to
chime
in,
but
I'm
certainly
it's
a
work
in
progress
until
till
sign
you
die
and
I'm
open
to
amendments
yeah.
K
N
A
A
And
I
believe,
miss
watney
was
there
anything
that
you'd
like
to
add
to
mr
dixon's
response.
O
Yes,
thank
you
lisa
watney,
for
humane
society
of
the
united
states.
We
have
found
in
very
often
that
it's
law
enforcement
agencies
who
are
reluctant
to
see
wolf,
hybrids
included
in
bills
such
as
this,
because
there
are
so
many
of
them
that
they
see
it.
They
perceive
it
as
a
law
in
a
burden
for
law
enforcement
to
include
hybrids
in
these
bills.
A
B
B
O
Thank
you
vice,
chair
cohen,
it's
it's
very
easy
to
get
exotic
animals
just
about
anywhere
in
the
country,
but
certainly
somewhat
easier
in
nevada
because
of
the
the
virtual
lack
of
laws
as
jeff
mentioned
previously.
We
know
that
at
least
a
couple,
if
not
more,
of
tigers
from
the
tiger
king
himself
are
now
with
somebody
in
pahrump,
there's
a
an
accredited
sanctuary
in
imlay
that
has
taken
in
a
good
number
of
animals
from
the
pet
industry
and
the
entertainment
industry.
O
It's
just.
There
are
so
many
of
these
animals
out
there
that
that
need
good
homes
and
there
aren't
enough
good
homes
for
them
that
are
in
turn
ending
up
in
the
pet
trade
or
in
pretty
miserable
roadside
zoos
all
over
the
country.
So
it's
not
hard
to
come
by
these
animals.
E
Thank
you
chair
for
the
opportunity
good
to
see
you
all.
Yes,
I
watched
the
tiger
king.
It
was
my
guilty
pleasure
during
the
pandemic
and
I
am
still
convinced
that
carol.
Baskin
is
guilty,
but
we'll
move
on
in
our
state.
I'm
curious
because
bills
come
about
usually
because
there's
a
big
problem.
L
I
think
we
heard
someone
wheeler
saying
he's
seen
bills
like
this
for
five
sessions,
and
so
it's
it
goes
back
a
while
prior
to
to
the
the
tiger
king
movie,
assemblyman
cohen,
I
know,
has
been
just
such
a
tremendous
leader
in
this
area
and
fought
very
hard
on
legislation
like
this
and
past
sessions,
and
I
believe
that
our
our
vacuum
here
in
nevada
really
makes
us
a
magnet
whether
it's
the
the
cats
that
were
brought
over
from
the
tiger,
king
or
others
or
people
smuggling
in
you
know
animals.
N
These
are
rare
and
we
would
like
to
make
it
more
rare
because
the
consequences
are
so
high
right.
It's
it's
almost
always
disastrous
for
the
animals
and
sometimes
it's
disastrous
for
people
too.
Law
enforcement
officers
are
not
trained
on
dealing
with
a
tiger
that
gets
out.
So
usually
it
just
ends
up
being
a
euthanasia
situation
right
there
on
the
spot.
So
we
don't
want
to
let
the
relative
rarity
of
these
sorts
of
incidents
be
the
thing
that
determines
whether
or
not
we
should
keep
it
legal
because
it
is
bad.
It's
it's
a
thing.
E
Also,
just
if
they
might
chair,
if
I'm
understanding
the
licensing
process,
so
you
have
to
have
a
usda
license
or
you
have
an
endow
license
of
some
sort
or
you
have
to
have
a
permit,
and
I
think
there's
just
12
big
cat,
u.s
or
12
big
cat
licenses.
I
think
in
the
state,
if
my
numbers,
I'm
I
got,
were
correct,
10
or
usda
ones
by
endow
one's
a
permit.
E
That's
a
relatively
small
number
of
people
who
are
doing
this.
Is
that
correct?
Are
my
numbers
correct.
L
N
Yeah-
and
I
would
add
that
it's
not
so
much
about
the
usdac
licensees,
although
all
the
entities
that
would
be
exempt
it's
more
about
the
private
owners
and
how
many
cats
are
out
there,
who
would
be
covered
by
this
bill.
Who
would
be
grandfathered
in
who
we
want
to
see
that
those
owners
either
get
licensed
or
just
keep
the
animal
and
they
that's
their
animal
for
the
rest
of
the
animals
natural
life
so
long
as
they
are
able
to
meet
some
of
the
other
standards
in
this
bill.
N
But
as
far
as
the
other
ones
yeah,
we
don't
know
as
far
as
the
private
owners.
But
there
are
not
a
lot
of
usda
licensees
and
again
they're
they're
not
really
affected
by
this
other
than
getting
insurance
and
having
a
plan
and
no
usda
violations.
And
things
like
that.
So
yeah.
A
B
So
close,
I'm
so
sorry,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
bringing
forward
the
the
bill
it.
It
kind
of
goes
back
to
the
language
that
assembly
member
wheeler
had
brought
up.
I
believe
it
was.
It
has
to
do
with
the
the
spacing,
and
I
really
appreciated
the
discussion
that
we
had
about
this
earlier
as
well.
It's
on
page
five,
it's
line
37,
does
that
ever
come
into
play
as
well
with
the
shelter
or
space
necessary.
B
Is
that
ever
a
consideration,
or
I
can
this
also
be
an
item
that
is
up
to
the
district
or
the
inspectors
to
make
that
decision
about,
or
is
that
lined
out
in
the
language
that
had
been
referred
to
earlier
from
the
department
of
agriculture.
L
O
Yes,
thank
you
assembly,
member
anderson,
lisa
watney
for
the
humane
society
of
the
united
states.
Unfortunately,
the
federal
animal
welfare
act,
except
for
primates
and
marine
mammals
and
a
few
other
species,
does
not
have
specific
space
requirements
for
animals.
O
Elephants,
big
cats
bears
there
are
no
set
regulations
regarding
how
much
space
these
animals
have
to
be
provided.
Basically,
they
have
to
have
enough
room
to
perform
normal
postural
behaviors,
which
basically
means
stand
up
turn
around
and
lay
down
it's
a
very
big.
Failing
of
the
animal
welfare
act
and
a
good
example
of
how
out
of
date
it
is,
but
it's
not
in
there,
and
therefore
it
wasn't
something
that
we
could
include
in
this
bill.
A
Thank
you
with
that.
Thank
you
to
all
the
presenters
and
we
will
move
on
to
testimony.
A
F
F
G
Good
afternoon,
chairman
watts
and
committee
on
natural
resources,
thank
you
for
your
time
today.
My
name
is
dr
tina.
Brandon
abatangelo,
I'm
here
today
to
support
sb
344
for
the
following
reasons:
I'm
a
human
dentist,
a
dental
school
professor
but,
most
importantly,
I
am
a
volunteer
with
the
peter
emily
foundation,
a
non-profit
organization
that
provides
dental
care
to
captive
and
exotic
animals.
G
I've
been
with
this
organization
for
over
12
years,
and
we
have
worked
on
over
500
animals
been
on
97
missions
and
have
been
to
27
different
sanctuaries
throughout
the
united
states
and
the
world,
and
we
performed
over
1300
dental
procedures.
We
treat
dental
disease
so
that
they
can
eat
and
ultimately
survive.
I
speak
as
a
person
who
has
been
in
the
trenches,
along
with
other
committed
veterinarians
and
dentists
that
are
highly
trained
to
provide
this
type
of
care
to
these
exotic
animals.
G
I
have
seen
firsthand
what
happens
when
these
animals
are
no
longer
needed
and
discarded,
and
this
is-
and
this
is
what
I
see
at
the
sanctuaries-
and
it
is
the
end
of
the
road
for
them.
Unfortunately,
I
have
seen
constant
trends
in
their
mouth
numerous
times.
Their
dental,
their
canines,
are
drilled
down
to
the
nerve
and
also
to
fracture
canines
from
cage
biting
blood
trauma
to
the
head,
causing
broken
teeth
and
sometimes
loss
of
eyes.
I
worked
on
a
seven-year-old
white
tiger
from
nevada.
G
The
tiger
was
both
declawed
and
had
all
four
canine
drilled
down
to
the
nerve.
Both
of
these
acts
are
illegal
to
perform
on
exotic
cats.
His
dental
visit
with
us
consisted
of
four
root
canals
and
it
was
a
long
appointment
for
him
and
we
can't
keep
these
animals
under
for
more
than
three
hours,
because
this
is
too
damaging
to
their
internal
organs.
The
history
of
these
animals,
I
hear
from
the
sanctuary
workers
can
be
heartbreaking
to
hear
baby
tigers
being
stripped
from
their
mothers
prematurely,
so
humans
can
hold
and
pose
with
them.
G
In
pictures,
cheetah
is
the
fastest
cat
in
the
world
running
at
75,
miles
per
hour,
being
locked
in
small
cages
in
a
laundry
room
because
they're
no
longer
small
and
cuddly
anymore.
I
can
give
dozens
of
examples
of
this
neglect,
but
I'm
here
today
in
support
of
this
bill,
because
I
have
seen
firsthand
what
happens
to
these
animals
once
they
have
been
confiscated,
surrendered
or
rescued
from
these
unhealthy
environments.
These
animals
are
not
meant
to
be
our
people's
people's
pets
or
possessions
even.
G
A
G
I
would
like
to
reiterate
some
of
the
points
that's
already
been
stated
that
first
off
the
captivity
of
these
exotic
animals
poses
a
major
threat
to
public
welfare,
as
they
can
help
to
provide
an
opportune
moment
for
major
diseases
to
become
outbreaks
such
as
salmonella,
monkey,
pox,
bumps
tuberculosis
and
hepatitis,
not
to
mention
that
as
though,
as
babies,
they
provide
little
there's
not
as
much
of
a
chance
of
major
injury
as
they
grow
older,
though
they
become
a
major
issue,
major
problems
when
they
are
interacting
with
visitors
and
staff
members
and
therefore
are
typically
gotten
rid
of
or
killed.
G
Additionally,
they
provo
propose
a
major
judgment
to
the
conservation
movement,
as
the
legal
pet
trait
is
also
a
huge
factor
in
disappearing
biodiversity
across
the
globe,
and
this
is
direct,
the
second
direct
threat
to
species
after
habitat
destruction.
G
So
it
should
not
be
surprising
enough
for
every
exact
ambulance
ends
up
in
somebody's
home,
many
more
die
in
the
process,
and
it
poses
a
major
threat
to
the
animal's
welfare.
On
its
own,
as
the
previous
call
before
me
has
testified
that
typically
they
are,
they
have
to
be
their
teeth
and
claws
have
to
be
removed
in
order
to
be
safer
to
handle
both
for
visitors
and
staff
members
and
such
things
and
as
well.
G
They
are
typically
not
kept
in
appropriate
con,
appropriate
containment
and
they're
kept
in
rusty
cages
and
unhealthy
conditions.
As
a
result,
I
think
you
guys
should
support
sb344.
Thank
you.
B
Edith
duarte
for
the
record
e-d-I-t-h-d-u-a-r-t-e
strategies
360
today,
representing
mine,
habitat
ranch.
As
mr
hardy
mentioned,
my
colleague,
william
horn,
has
been
working
with
the
stakeholders
and
it
sounds
like
we
are
at
a
meeting
of
the
minds.
We
just
don't
have
the
language
in
front
of
us,
so
we
are
here
in
opposition
until
we
see
it,
but
we've
been
working
together
and
I
think,
met
this
morning.
There
are
three
things:
we're
working
on
the
due
process,
language,
clarifying
the
citation
procedure
and
then
some
of
the
exemptions.
B
Q
Tim
stoffel
s-t-o-f-f-e-l-
I
am
here
representing
nevada,
animal
owners
and
rexana
who
you
will
hear
from
as
well
a
little
later,
I
want
to
address
a
couple
of
things.
This
bill
has
got
so
many
issues
and
problems
that
are
just
going
to
create
grief
for
animal
owners.
The
first
one
this
was
touched
on
is
how
big
of
a
problem
do
we
actually
have?
Is
this
bill
really
needed?
If
we
go
back
and
look
at
it,
you
know
can't
find
any
record
of
anybody
from
the
public
being
seriously
injured
by
one
of
these
animals
going
back.
Q
As
far
as
anybody
knows,
you
know,
the
number
of
private
owners
and
stuff
we
have
in
the
state
is
small,
but
private
owners
very
important
because
their
animals
are
happy
their
animals
breed,
and
you
know
the
thing
is
that
these
animals
are
not
easy
to
get.
It
used
to
be
easy
to
get
some
of
these
animals,
but
it's
getting
to
the
point
nowadays,
where
zoos
and
places
like
that
can't
even
get
big
cats,
especially
lions.
Q
It
took
us
two
years
to
replace
our
lives
when
they
died
of
old
age,
because
there
just
simply
weren't
any-
and
this
is
becoming
an
increasing
problem.
Breeding
is
extremely
important
to
the
future
of
these
animals,
because
the
captive
population
we
have
is
a
hedge
to
extinction
in
the
wild,
and
there
are
entities
about
that
are
just
making
more
and
more
difficult
to
do
this
to
pro
to
you
know
either,
for
you
know,
false
false
compassion
or
for
to
promote
an
agenda
or
a
belief
system,
or
something
like
that.
Q
The
second
thing
I
want
to
touch
on
is
you
know.
When
we've
had
big
incidents
and
stuff
like
that,
zanesville,
for
instance,
you
know,
despite
the
horrid
massacre
that
went
on
there,
only
six
animals
left
the
facility
of
all
the
animals
that
were
let
loose,
even
though
the
gates
are
wide
open.
The
animals
don't
want
to
leave.
They
want
to
stay
in
their
home
where
they're
comfortable.
Q
We
do
not
have
a
really
serious
safety
problem
here.
That
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
what
this
bill
really
is,
especially
when
it
comes
to
the
private
owners.
It's
like
ringing
a
doorbell
to
the
icbm.
It
is
not
minimal
regulation,
it's
a
total
ban
for
them.
They
can't
even
take
in
animals
that
other
people
can't
take
anymore
under
the
language
of
this
bill.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
tiger
king
situation.
Q
All
the
people
that
were
involved,
the
tiger
king,
were
usda
licensed
or
should
have
been
usda
licensed.
You
know
these
are
not
the
private
owners,
but
again
we're
blaming
the
president.
Q
A
The
site,
thank
you
very
much
so
I'll
direct
members
to
please
review
that
if
you
haven't
already
as
as
well
as
any
additional
testimony
that
has
been
submitted
in
writing
with
that,
I
believe
we
can
now
move
on
to
anyone
wishing
to
provide
testimony
in
opposition
to
sb
344
remotely
broadcast
production
services.
Can
we
see
who
we
have
in
the
queue.
F
H
Yes,
this
is
scott
shoemaker
s-h-o-e-m-a-k-e-r
I'd
like
to
thank
the
committee
for
allowing
me
to
speak
sp
344,
I'm
speaking
in
opposition,
I'm
also
director
for
raisano,
responsible,
exotic
animal
ownership
and
as
far
as
the
tiger
king,
we
have
all
the
animals
that
were
seized.
So
obviously
we
have
laws
that
are
working
and
we've
worked
with
clark,
county
and
nye
county
and
basically
took
in
all
those
animals.
H
Now,
as
far
as
sp
344
13
out
of
17
counties
have
regulations,
nevada
has
approximately
12
facilities,
10
of
them
have
the
usda
license
the
remaining
two
one
has
an
endo
permit
and
the
other
one
is
permitted
and
regulated
by
the
county.
H
The
only
thing
we
don't
know
as
far
as
numbers
is
on
the
small
primates,
because
many
people
keep
them
indoors.
If
you
want
to
look
at
the
numbers
over
roxanna
submitted
the
presentation,
it's
in
the
backup
material
and
it
lists
out
what
was
present
as
of
2019,
and
actually
the
number
of
big
cats
has
gone
down.
H
H
I've
never
heard
of
anybody
getting
disease
from
marmoset
to
no
contact
with
dangerous
wild
animal
contradicts
usda
regulations
since
usda
regulations
allow
public
contact
with
primates,
wolves,
bears
and
adolescent
big
cats,
and
they
have
written
regulations
and
guidelines
on
how
to
do
that,
and
also
the
no
direct
contact
basically
you're,
asking
to
de-socialize
these
animals
to
human
interaction,
which
makes
them
more
dangerous
when
you
excuse
and
get
feedback.
A
H
F
I
The
few
incidents
of
people
being
injured
by
exotic
animals
have
only
involved
people
voluntarily,
taking
that
risk
of
their
own
free
will
an
accepted
occupational
hazard.
The
bill
sponsors
are
trying
to
tell
you
that
nevada
is
only
one
of
four
states
that
don't
regulate
these
animals,
which
is
misleading
at
best.
I
Nevada
is
extremely
diverse,
in
that
some
counties
have
the
same
population
as
a
condo
in
downtown
las
vegas.
Obviously,
white
sweeping
blanket
rules
are
not
fair
and
do
not
work.
This
is
why
counties
have
always
had
the
authority
to
regulate,
as
they
see
fit,
for
their
own
unique
circumstances
and,
as
also
stated
13
of
the
17
counties
already
have
regulations
on
the
books,
which
have
always
worked
well
to
handle
any
situations
that
have
arisen.
I
There's
many
issues
with
this
bill,
despite
the
sponsor's
attempt
to
minimize
them,
including
exemptions
to
specific
accrediting
organizations,
while
completely
disregarding
other,
equally
qualified
organizations
exceedingly
vague
terminology
allowing
for
unbounded
interpretation
and
subsequent
punishment,
lack
of
equitable
due
process
and
much
more
I'll,
be
sending
a
follow-up
email
with
more
specifics.
But
this
bill
is
nowhere
near
ready
for
any
serious
consideration.
I
Also
keep
in
mind
that
this
bill
has
never
been
brought
forward
by
any
agency
in
nevada
only
by
a
national
special
interest
group
and
finally,
to
reference
tiger
king
in
this
bill.
I
can't
imagine
anything
more
disingenuous
than
this.
It's
like
writing
a
bill
on
police
reform
and
saying
it's
due
to
reno,
9-1-1
or
assuming
real
housewives
is
a
reality.
I
F
H
H
If
you
can't
stop
them
at
the
border,
they'll
smuggle
them
in
and
the
only
people
that
tell
you
that
these
animals
have
been
smuggled
in
are
legal
owners
like
us
counties
and
cities
already
have
the
laws
and
usda
watches
everybody.
That's
covered,
there's
only
12
owners
with
big
cats
in
the
state
and
they're
all
under
either
county
city
or
usda
laws.
H
A
F
L
Chair
watts,
member
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
know
the
hours
late.
I
believe
that
legislation
like
senate
bill
344
had
been
in
place
a
decade
ago
in
ohio
would
have
prevented
the
tragedy
there.
Certainly
there
have
been
incidents
in
nevada
and
I'm
happy
to
provide
the
committee
with
as
much
information
as
I
can
about
those
incidents,
and
I
believe
that
senate
bill
344,
if
passed,
would
protect
these
animals
from
being
harmed
being
in
dangerous
conditions
and
the
public.
I
hope
the
committee
will
consider
processing
it.
Thank
you.
A
A
With
that
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
sb,
344
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda.
For
today,
which
is
public
comment
as
a
reminder,
you
must
sign
up
in
advance
to
provide
public
comment,
we'll
limit
remarks
to
two
minutes
and
they
have
to
be
outside
matters
considered
on
the
agenda
today
but
relevant
to
the
committee's
jurisdiction.
So
with
that
bps
can
we
see
if
we
have
anyone
wishing
to
provide
public
comment.
F
A
Thank
you
very
much
with
that
members.
That
concludes
our
agenda
for
today,
just
a
quick
update
on
the
lay
of
the
land.
Next
week
on
friday,
we
have
our
committee
passage
deadline
for
bills.
In
their
second
house.
A
We
have
two
bills
scheduled
for
hearings
each
day
and
we'll
have
work
sessions
planned
for
each
day
to
try
and
get
through
our
work.
As
with
previously,
we
may
see
the
ability
to
move
some
measures
out
on
the
day
that
they're
heard
if
the
stars
align
and
we
may
need
to
have
an
additional
meeting
to
conclude
our
business.
So
as
I
have
any
updates
I'll,
let
you
know,
but
right
now
we
are
just
still
planning
on
our
regularly
scheduled
meetings
on
monday
and
wednesday.