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A
Here
and
please
mark
senator
oranjal
and
senator
neal
absent
excused,
and
we
are
going
to
do
our
bills
out
of
order
today,
and
so
I
believe
we
will
start
with
assembly
bill
336.
A
Hopefully
that
works
for
you.
Assemblywoman
monroe,
moreno.
C
Thank
you
so
much.
I
understand
delays.
We
are
at
that
time
of
session,
so
I
truly
understand
good
afternoon
sheriff
don
darrow
lube
and
members
of
the
senate
government
affairs
committee.
For
the
record.
I
am
danielle
monroe
moreno.
I
represent
assembly
district-
one
I'm
here
today
to
present
for
your
consideration
assembly
bill
336,
a
measure
that
will
provide
peace
officers
with
an
opportunity
to
have
an
annual
behavioral
health
care
wellness
visit
joining
me
today
by
zoom
and
for
them.
C
I
appreciate
you
getting
on
for
the
really
super
short
notice,
but
I
have
michelle
freeman,
retired
chief
from
the
city
of
las
vegas
who's,
currently
a
phd
student
at
unlv,
mr
joe
collins,
who
is
strategic
account
manager
and
public
safety
liaison
with
acadia
healthcare
who's.
Also,
a
retired
police
chief
from
two
rivers
police
department
and
miss
taran
hyatt
area
director
for
american
foundation
for
suicide
prevention.
C
Assemblyman
tom
roberts
is
presenting
another
bill
in
another
committee.
He
may
be
joining
us
as
well
as
we
get
through
this
process
and
we
may
have
by
telephone
officer
antonio
rodriguez,
who
is
the
vice
chair
of
the
nevada
state,
hispanics
police
officers,
association,
chair
donderolup,
prior
to
having
the
honor
of
serving
the
families
of
nevada.
Here
in
this
legislative
body,
I
served
for
almost
30
years
as
a
corrections
officer
beginning
my
career
with
the
maricopa
county
sheriff's
office
before
joining
the
north,
las
vegas
police
department
detention
center.
C
C
C
C
During
my
initial
hiring
process,
I
had
to
complete
an
application,
have
a
personal
interview,
a
physical
fitness
test
and
a
psych
evaluation
annually.
I
had
a
physical
to
ensure
that
I
could
continue
to
be
medically
and
physically
fit
to
continue
to
do
my
job,
but
never
was
my
emotional
mental,
health
and
well-being
discussed
unless,
of
course
was
involved,
or
there
was
an
incident
that
exposed
us
to
a
negative
incident
on
the
job
which
is
at
most
accounts.
Often
too
late.
C
A
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
again,
chair
and
good
afternoon,
everyone.
My
name
is
michelle
freeman
and
I
recently
retired.
After
serving
with
the
city
of
las
vegas
department
of
public
safety
for
over
28
and
a
half
years,
I
was
in
a
formal
leadership
position
for
over
two
decades
and
the
last
almost
10
years
I
had
the
privilege
of
serving,
as
the
chief
I've
been
a
proud
board
member
for
the
american
foundation
for
suicide
prevention.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Why
should
you
care
officers,
well-being
and
suicide
affects
everyone?
It's
a
public
health
and
safety
concern,
whether
it's
a
call
for
service
or
routine
patrol.
Don't
we
all
want
our
officers
to
be
of
healthy,
mind
and
body
through
my
doctoral
work,
I
conducted
a
very
short
survey,
I'm
very
happy
to
announce
that,
within
two
weeks
of
the
short
survey
there
were
844
respondents.
D
It
was
important
for
all
current
and
retired
law
enforcement
officers
in
our
state
to
have
an
opportunity
to
have
their
voices
heard
and
their
perspectives
heard,
so
we
can
learn
more
from
them.
Additionally,
the
goal
was
to
create
a
baseline
for
further
research,
because
there
really
is
nothing
on
this
particular
topic.
The
survey
was
shared
with
our
executive
director
from
the
nevada
state,
sheriff's
and
chiefs
association,
and
then
he
distributed
it
to
all
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs.
D
D
839
responded
to
that
particular
question
and
the
vast
majority
more
than
560
said
either
yes
or
maybe
the
second
question
that
I
think
is
important
for
us
to
speak
about
not
verbatim,
but
it
said:
do
you
believe
it
is
beneficial
for
us
to
have
a
confidential
medical?
Excuse
me
mental
health
component
on
our
annual
on
an
annual
basis.
So
basically
what
the
bill
is
talking
about
here
today,
95
said
maybe
or
yes,
there
were
840
out
of
844
respondents
to
that
particular
question.
D
Those
respondents
are
here
in
our
state.
In
2019,
two
amendments
of
our
of
two
statutes
occurred.
First,
the
allowance
for
compensation
for
officers
if
an
injury
or
disease
is
caused
by
stress-related
injury
and
the
second
one
was
in
addition
to
mandatory
education
for
peace
officers,
including
mental
health
and
officer
well-being.
D
D
D
D
I
see
in
my
head
an
empty
chair,
empty
chairs
matter
in
my
heart
I
know
together
we
can
make
a
difference,
saving
lives
and
ensuring
our
communities
are
as
safe
as
possible,
and
this
is
the
time
to
do
it
with
this
bill.
Thank
you
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart,
chair
and
committee
members
for
considering
this
bill.
A
C
There
are
two
other
presenters
by
zoo.
E
Ready,
okay,
I
can
go
hi.
My
name
is
joe
collins
and
currently
I
work
as
a
strategic
account
manager
for
acadia
healthcare
in
the
public
safety
world.
I
help
first
responders
their
families,
their
organizations
every
day
navigate
the
behavioral
health
world
prior
to
starting
this
role
in
2020,
I
served
for
35
years
in
law
enforcement
in
wisconsin
21
of
those
years
as
the
police
chief
in
two
different
communities.
E
During
my
tenure
there.
I
also
served
for
10
years
as
the
lead
of
the
law
enforcement
death
response
team
for
the
state
of
wisconsin
and
just
to
add,
with
some
of
the
numbers
that
michelle
was
talking
about
during
those
10
years,
we
had
13
officers
that
took
that
died
in
the
line
of
duty
and
we
had
27
suicides
that
we
knew
about
more
than
double
the
officers
took
their
lives
that
were
being
killed
by
feloniously
by
people
within
the
communities.
E
So
another
statement
that
was
made
is
that
this
is
it's
difficult.
We
wanted
to
have
positive
impacts
in
the
darkest
hours
for
other
people,
however,
by
having
been
involved
in
those
dark
hours
in
those
dark
situations
that
takes
a
toll
trauma
in
people's
lives
cannot
and
does
not
leave
the
body
or
their
systems,
unless
it's
probably
and
on
purposely
removed
from
the
system
and
without
the
proper
tools.
E
Without
the
proper
resources
and
without
an
avenue
to
be
able
to
understand
and
discuss
these
situations,
it
will
stay
in
the
body
and
become
what's
called
cumulative
stress.
There's
two
different
types
of
stress
situations
that
any
particular
officer
may
be
involved
in
during
their
career.
One
would
be
a
catastrophic
situation
where
maybe
they're
involved
in
an
officer-involved
shooting
they're
they're
seriously
injured.
That
type
of
trauma
can
impact
the
body
immediately.
E
Accumulated
stress
or
compounded
trauma
is
little
stress.
Little
situations
that
are
continuously
built
upon
during
a
career
and
as
officer
or
chief
freeman
was
saying
before
those
situations
when
we're
carrying
baggage
of
other
people
around
with
us
and
told
that
we
need
to
compartmentalize
these
things.
E
E
Trauma
is
trauma.
It
embeds
itself.
In
your
body,
it
will
stay
there
and
impact
every
part
of
your
life
unless
you're,
given
the
resources,
the
tools,
the
knowledge
to
be
able
to
get
it
out
of
your
system,
we're
expecting
our
officers
to
do
that.
Every
single
day,
however,
we're
not
giving
them
the
ability
to
remove
them.
E
This
is
one
avenue
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
I
appreciate
supporting
this
bill.
This
is,
in
fact,
the
tip
of
the
spear
for
peace
officers
across
the
country,
you're
leading
the
way
in
nevada,
and
this
will
reflect
what
other
organizations
other
states
are
going
to
be
able
to
look
to
as
what
they
want
to
replicate.
F
You
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
community
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
your
service
doing
the
work
of
the
people
during
this
pandemic.
My
name
is
taryn
hyatt
I
serve
as
the
area
director
for
the
nevada
chapter
of
the
american
foundation
for
suicide
prevention
and,
again
I'm
here
to
testify
in
support
of
ab336.
F
I
wish
to
thank
assemblywoman
monroe,
moreno
and
assemblyman
tom
roberts
for
their
service
and
support
of
our
law
enforcement
and
first
responders
again,
as
mentioned.
I
won't
repeat
data
that
you've
already
heard,
but
we
know
that
our
law
enforcement
officers
and
first
responders
being
on
the
front
line
responding
to
our
neighbors
in
crisis,
have
increased
risk
for
suicidal
behavior.
Research
has
highlighted
that
link
between
ptsd
and
suicide
among
them,
and
as
mentioned,
we
know
that
we
lose
more
of
our
officers
to
suicide
than
in
the
line
of
duty.
F
Suicide
can
be
prevented,
but
it's
through
early
detection
of
an
officer
who
may
be
in
crisis
or
struggling
and
connecting
that
officer
and
their
family
to
resources
and
treatment
services.
I
urge
you
to
support
ab336
to
ensure
that
all
law
enforcement
departments
have
the
knowledge
and
tools
to
effectively
prevent
officer
suicide.
F
By
providing
this
mental
health
assessment,
we're
decreasing
stigma,
we're
ensuring
that
there's
equity
between
mental
and
physical
health.
There
is
no
single
cause
for
suicide.
We
know
that,
but
by
treating
and
preventing
mental
health
conditions,
addiction,
addressing
access
to
lethal
means
and
really
empowering
our
law
enforcement
officers
to
live
and
thrive
in
their
communities,
we
will
save
lives.
F
F
I
could
share
hundreds
of
stories
from
families
that
we've
worked
with
throughout
the
years
and
my
own
experiences
that
I
am
full
of
compassion
for
the
trauma
they
witness
daily
to
serve
and
protect
our
communities.
It's
incumbent
upon
us
to
create
a
culture
that
supports
them.
We
all
have
a
role
to
play
in
preventing
suicide.
F
With
your
support.
Passage
of
this
legislation
will
affirm
your
state's
commitment
to
improving
the
lives
of
nevada's
peace
officers
and
their
loved
ones,
so
that
we
can
prevent
the
tragedy
of
suicide.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time.
Thank
you
again
for
for
the
efforts
and
service
you
provide,
and
I
appreciate
you,
you
listening
to
me
sure.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
danielle
monroe
moreno
for
the
record.
The
annual
wellness
visit
will
provide
an
opportunity
to
discuss
and
help
address
issues
that
an
officer
may
be
having
in
a
safe,
protected
environment.
These
conversations
should
be
confidential
unless
the
officer
displays
a
risk
of
harm
to
themselves
or
others.
C
As
I
said,
this
is
this
is
personal
for
me,
current
post
standards
for
continuing
education
for
our
peace
officers
include
racial
profiling,
mental
health,
the
well-being
of
officers,
implicit
bias,
recognition,
de-escalation,
human
trafficking
and
firearms
ab-336.
A
Earn
your
support.
Thank
you
very
much.
Assemblywoman
assemblywoman
monroe
moreno.
We
appreciate
your
testimony
and
with
that
we'll
go
to
questions
senator
gokachia,
please
go
ahead.
G
Just
just
briefly.
What
would
it
look
like?
I
mean
what
kind
of
provider
would
he
would
the
officer
go
and
visit
in
one
of
these
and
how
long
and
then,
of
course,
clearly,
even
though
money
isn't
an
issue
about
how
long
would
it
take
and
then
clearly,
if
an
issue
surfaced
in
his
behavior,
then
you
could
understand
the
treatment
of
it.
So
I
was
just
curious
what
he'd
walk
in
he's
going
to
do
a
wellness
visit?
Who
would
that?
What
that
would
that
provider
look
like
or
who
would
it
be.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Danielle
monroe
moreno.
I
am
not
the
the
behavioral
healthcare
specialist,
however,
in
my
conversations
with
behavior
healthcare
professionals
in
our
community
and
some
who
are
joining
us
here
on
and
presentation,
the
visits
can
be
anywhere
from
15
minutes
to
an
hour
and
we
talked
to
both
marriage
and
family
therapists.
C
The
the
agency
could
actually
work
with
posts
to
draft
what
those
regulations
are
and
who
they
would
make
a
contract
with
to
to
have
those.
There
is
arcadia.
Health
has
a
variety
of
behavioral
health
care
specialists
that
could
do
that
work,
but
post
would
be
working
with
their
board
to
draft
what
those
specific
needs
or
providers
would
be.
We
didn't
want
to
put
that
specifically
in
the
bill,
because
the
number
of
departments
in
our
state
are
are
vast.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
senator
hansen,
any
questions
I
have
one.
I
noticed
in
the
in
the
language
where
it
says
standards
for
an
annual
behavioral
wellness
visit
for
peace
officers.
What
are
those
standards
already
developed
within
mental
health
or
will
they
be
being
developed
and
who
will
develop
them?
Danielle.
A
And
then
I'm
assuming
where
it
says
emotional
and
mental
health
of
a
peace
officer
in
preserving
that
that
will
be
part
of
the
wellness
visit.
So
they'll
just
assess
their
where
they
are
mentally
as
well
as
physically,
when
they
have
their
physical.
C
C
You'd
have
to
adhere
to,
but
a
conversation
giving
that
officer
who
may
not
on
their
own
go
and
ask
for
help,
because
mental
health
in
general,
in
our
society
has
a
stigma
attached
to
it,
although
it
should
not,
if
you
are
diagnosed
with
cancer
or
anything
else
that
that
stigma
is
not
there,
but
with
mental
health,
it
is
it's
just
having
the
conversation
and
and
as
joe
collins
was
saying,
you
can
go
in
and
talk
about
fishing
that
first
year
in
the
second
year,
you
may
feel
more
comfortable
opening
up
and
that
third
year
you
might
really
feel
comfortable
and
tell
them
what's
going
on
with
you.
A
C
Danielle
monroe
moreno
for
the
record
that
varies
by
department
by
the
standard,
operating
procedures
and
policies
of
each
department.
I
can
only
tell
you
what
happened
at
my
department
for
my
annual
physical.
That
was
part
of
my
regular
work
day.
That
was
the
day
I
was
scheduled
to
go.
I
didn't
have
to
take
time
off
of
my
own
books
if
there
was
something
that
was
found
that
I
needed
to
take
care
of,
and
the
doctor
said
I
need
to
take
care
of
then
my
employer
made
sure
that
I
had
the
time
to
do
that.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay
with
that.
If
you
have
no
more
testimony
right
now,
we
will
go
to
support
opposition
and
neutral,
and
is
there
anyone
in
the
room
that
is
in
support
if
you'll
come
forward.
H
J-A-M-I-E-R-O-D-R-I-G-U-E-Z,
I'm
the
government
affairs
manager
for
washoe
county,
and
we
want
to
thank
the
bill
sponsor
for
working
with
us.
We
very
much
so
support
promoting
mental
wellness
amongst
our
peace
officers,
who
see
and
experience
things
in
their
work
professions
that
the
rest
of
us
will
not
ever
have
to
see
or
deal
and
cannot
really
comprehend
those
experiences.
H
I
want
to
thank
her
for
pushing
back
the
implementation
date.
This
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
find
and
determine
the
funding
and
and
what
these
costs
will
actually
be,
so
that
we
can
be
supportive
of
making
this
available
to
our
employees
and
just
to
follow
up
on
your
question.
H
Madam
chairwoman,
washoe
county
does
have
peace
officers
or
the
definition
of
peace
officers
is
more
than
your
generic
kind
of
law
enforcement,
so
we
do
have
employees
at
washoe
county
who
fall
under
the
definition
of
peace
officers,
but
who
are
not
subject
to
those
annual
physicals.
So
we
do
also
appreciate
the
bill
originally
correlated
the
mental
wellness
check
with
those
physicals,
which
would
have
been
much
more
difficult
for
us
because
we
would
have
had
to
do
annual
physicals
for
all
those
additional
employees.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
I
I
K
K
K
A
I
K
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
senate
government
affairs
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
ariel
edwards
a-r-I-e-l-l-e,
e-d-w-a-r-d-s
government
affairs,
specialist
with
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
is
in
support
of
assembly
bill
336
and
would
like
to
thank
the
bill
sponsors
for
their
work
on
this
much
needed
measure.
We
urge
the
support
and
passage
of
assembly
bill
336,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
I
K
K
A
L
I
on
the
assembly
side,
had
been
neutral
on
my
positions
this
bill,
but
I'm
happy
to
say
that,
after
hearing
that
the
implementation
date
will
be
pushed
back
potentially
through
an
amendment
I'm
coming
in
today
to
support
on
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department,
we
definitely
support
the
intent
of
this
bill
and
we
support
wellness
for
our
officers.
The
only
reason
that
I
was
neutral
in
the
assembly
was
because
of
the
logistics
that
needed
to
be
worked
out,
but
I'm
here
today
in
support.
So
thank
you
and
thank
assemblywoman
monroe,
moreno.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much.
May
we
move
to
opposition.
I
K
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
joanna
jacob
j-o-a-n-n-a-j-a-c-o-b
government
affairs
manager
for
clark
county,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
we
are
neutral
on
the
measure
today.
We
want
to
thank
assemblyman,
assemblywoman
monroe
moreno
for
her
work
with
us
on
the
bill.
We
had
concerns
with
the
original
language,
just
like
washoe
county.
We
also
have
peace
officers
who
are
not
required
to
take
a
annual
physical
exam.
So
thank
you
for
decoupling
that
requirement.
K
It
is
an
important
public
policy
goal
to
make
sure
that
our
first
responders
have
the
tools
that
they
need
to
deal
with
the
stresses
of
their
job,
and
that
is
something
that
clark
county
supports.
We
appreciate
the
additional
time
that
we
have
in
order
to
plan
for
how
to
implement
this
bill.
We
had
some
questions
that
were
asked
today
in
the
hearing
about
the
standards
for
the
visit
the
providers.
K
So
that
we
can
figure
out
how
best
to
implement
this
for
our
employees,
we
also
want
to
respect
the
privacy
of
our
employees,
and
so
we
are
hoping
that
we
can
also
address
the
confidentiality
of
the
of
the
results
in
the
regulatory
process,
and
I
think
that
this
is
there
are
some
very
important
public
policy
goals
behind
this
legislation
we
are
neutral
and
in
support
of
the
assembly
woman
in
this
bill.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much
assemblywoman.
Do
you
have
any
closing
comments?
Okay,
then,
thank
you
very
much
all
of
you
for
a
presentation
of
assembly
bill
336
and
with
that
speaker,
you
win
the
award
for
patience,
we'll
go
to
assembly
bill
409.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
For.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
we
are
certainly
at
that
point
in
session,
where
waiting
is
expected,
part
of
the
deal
so
happy
to
accommodate
the
committee
and,
however,
they
need
to
get
their
job
done
for
the
record.
My
name
is
jason
fryerson,
representing
assembly
district
8.
M
During
the
night
2019
session,
I
sponsored
ab478
that
required
post
to
expressly
require
several
minimum
training
standards.
One
of
those
standards
was
implicit
bias.
Many
of
the
training
requirements,
including
implicit
bias,
were
already
in
practice
by
various
law
enforcement
agencies.
M
Ab-478
was
an
effort
to
ensure
that,
regardless
of
who
changes
in
local
leadership,
the
intent
of
the
legislature
and
the
state
was
evident.
Let
us
be
clear.
I
think
that
we
all
have
implicit
bias.
Every
single
one
of
us
has
implicit
bias,
however.
Implicit
bias
is
largely
unconscious
and
can
influence
our
behaviors
for
a
law
enforcement
officers
who
are
given
a
badge,
a
gun
authority
and
discretion,
and
asked
to
operate
in
situations
that
are
uncertain
and
stressful.
M
M
This
report
notes
that,
while
the
hiring
process
is
and
should
be
a
method
of
recruiting
and
retaining
candidates
that
embody
the
values
of
a
particular
agency,
the
hiring
processes
should
also
be
used
to
identify
potentially
bad
actors
and
those
unfit
to
serve
while
implicit
bias.
Training
has
become
common
in
local
law
enforcement
agencies
and
should
continue
to
be
an
important
training
requirement.
M
Ab409
is
an
effort
to
ensure
we
are
hiring
capable
officers
from
the
onset
I'll
now
walk
through
the
provisions
of
the
bill.
Section
one
requires
posts
to
establish
minimum
standards
for
the
selection
of
peace
officers
that
include
requirements
for
evaluations
to
be
conducted
during
the
recruitment
and
selection
of
peace
officers
that
must
identify
implicit
bias
on
the
basis
of
race,
color,
religion,
national
origin,
physical
or
mental
disability,
sexual
orientation
or
gender
identity
or
expression.
M
M
Coachella
robinson
recently
wrote
that
america,
american
policing
in
the
future,
will
be
shaped
by
the
men
and
women
now
coming
into
police
academies.
Furthermore,
in
a
recent
article
from
the
police
chief
magazine,
it
was
stated
that
screening
screening
out
potentially
problematic
personnel
is
not
just
good
risk
management,
but
it's
also
a
cost-effective
practice.
M
I
would
like
to
note
also
that
the
the
concept
behind
ab409
actually
was
raised
with
me
from
law
enforcement
officers.
Who
said
we,
like?
All
of
you,
don't
want
problem
officers,
but
once
we
hire
them,
then
they
are
part
of
you
know
our
agency,
and
then
we
have
to
work
to
deal
with
behaviors
that
come
as
a
result
of
that.
M
So
this
is
an
effort
not
only
to
ensure
that
our
law
enforcement
agencies
deal
with
implicit
bias
at
an
early
stage,
but
that
we
also
help
current
law
enforcement
officers
by
catching
bad
actors
and
people
that
have
issues
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
at
the
screening
process
and
only
hiring
folks
that
are
ready
to
serve
the
diverse
state
that
nevada
has
become
so
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
M
M
Some
agencies
may
exercise
some
of
this
judgment
in
their
hiring
and
screening
process
if
something
jumps
out
at
them
in
some
of
the
answers,
but
it's
not
currently
required,
and
so
our
our
hope
is
that
there's
an
emphasis
on
screening
it
out
at
the
very
beginning
again,
so
that
the
officers
that
we
do
have
are
not
being
forced
to
to
deal
with
folks
that
had
an
issue
from
the
very
beginning.
A
M
Thank
you
again
for
the
record
jason
fryer,
so
my
intent
is
to
make
sure
that,
if
there's
someone
who's
currently
in
the
in
the
queue
that
they
still
have
the
ability
to
use
the
tools
in
this
bill
to
screen
those
out,
of
course,
once
folks
are
hired,
it's
another
story.
M
But
we
talk
about
the
evaluations
separately
from,
I
think
the
annual
post
training,
because
I
think
it's
that
important
that
the
outset
before
folks
are
hired.
A
Okay,
well
with
that
being
said,
I
think
that
answers
my
questions
on
that
part.
If
you
have
no
more
comments,
we'll
go
to
support
opposition
and
neutral
and
broadcasting
when
you're.
Oh
excuse
me,
is
there
anybody
in
the
room
in
support?
Okay,
not
seeing
anybody
broadcasting
if
we
can
go
to
support,
please.
I
I
K
K
Additionally,
the
fbi
and
others
have
reported
a
growing
trend
among
white
supremacists
and
others
with
explicit
bias,
attempting
to
infiltrate
police
departments
and
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
Implicit
bias.
Screening
is
not
just
good
for
dealing
with
implicit
bias
can
also
be
a
way
to
identify
these
individuals
prevent
them
from
getting
into
and
misusing
a
position
of
power.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
speaker,
no
closing
comments,
then,
with
that
we
will
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
409
and
once
again
speaker.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
have
a
good
day
with
that.
I
am
scouring
the
room
here.
I
think
we
will
jump
to
if
you
don't
mind
assembly
bill
316
since
assemblyman
o'neill
is
here,
and
thank
you
very
much
as
well
for
your
patience.
Please
go
ahead
when
you
are
ready.
N
N
I
am
pk
o'neill
representing
assembly
district
40,
which
includes
carson
city
and
a
small
part
of
the
southeast
end
of
washoe
county
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
bill.
As
you
know,
the
united
states
department
of
veteran
affairs
and
the
nevada
department
of
veterans
services
provide
an
array
of
services
that
are
free
to
veterans
of
the
united
states.
N
There
are
many
honest
companies
who
will
assist
veterans
to
assist
attaining
their
benefits
at
no
charge.
However,
it
was
recently
brought
to
my
attention
that
some
veterans
are
being
taken
advantage
of
when
attempting
to
attain
their
va
benefits
by
entities
who
charge
for
their
services
without
providing
the
veteran
with
proper
notification.
N
Also,
any
person
who
provides
services
to
obtain
veterans
benefits
in
exchange
for
compensation
must
provide
a
written
disclosure
before
entering
into
an
agreement
with
a
client
or
veteran
for
the
provision
of
those
services.
Finally,
the
med.
The
measure
authorizes
the
attorney
general
to
collect
a
civil
penalty
of
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
for
each
violation
of
the
provision
of
the
bill.
The
bill
specifies
that
such
a
violation
constitutes
consumer
fraud
and
a
victim
may
bring
civil
action.
N
Also
with
me
today,
I
have
andy
lapillbett
here
in
the
bill
in
the
committee
room,
to
discuss
some
of
the
incidents
and
ask
and
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
also
tony
yarber
is
online
is
on
the
phone
I
think
either
phone
or
zoom
to
also
assist
in
bringing
forth
some
of
the
issues
that
veterans
have
encountered
with
this.
With
that,
I
thank
you
chair
and
I
will
ask
andy
to
come
forward.
First.
O
Thank
you,
chair
and
committee
members,
I'm
andrew
lee
pilbert
and
I
represent
the
combat
wounded
veterans
in
our
state
of
the
purple
heart
recipients,
the
65
000
disabled
american
veterans
in
our
state-
and
I
am
the
current
chair
of
the
united
veterans
legislative
council,
which
is
the
central
body
for
all
our
veterans
group
in
the
states
representing
up
to
250
000
veterans
and
when
you
count
their
families,
500,
000,
nevadans
and
where
we
are
on
ab.
316
is.
O
Now
some
of
you
that
been
around
have
seen
us
when
a
bill's
that
important
to
us,
but
under
our
current
covet
situation,
we're
here
together
in
a
small
room
with
a
few
people,
but
if
you'll
visualize
our
past
you'll
see
that
this
room
is
full
now,
a
lot
of
our
veterans
are
carrying
scars
both
seen
and
unseen
in
recent
times
and
usually
when
they
finally
reach
out
for
help
most
of
us
know
about
agent
orange
and
how
my
age
group
all
of
a
sudden
have
cancers.
They
didn't
know
about
40
and
50
years
later.
O
So
some
of
our
older
vets
don't
even
know
that
we
have
so
many
veteran
service
officers
and
thanks
for
the
department
of
veterans
services,
we
continue
to
train
veteran
service
officers
because
our
young
we
sent
to
many
tours
of
duty
which,
as
a
nation,
we
have
never
performed
like
that.
Before
some
of
our
national
guards
have
been
deployed
five
six
times,
they
don't
know
they
have
something
wrong,
they're
so
busy
and
it
comes
up
later.
So
what
happens?
I
I
can
call
for
him
chair.
Thank
you,
mr
yarburo.
If
you
are
on
the
line,
if
you
could,
please
press
star
nine
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
and
if
you
can
go
ahead
and
press
star
six
to
unmute.
J
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
chair
dondero,
loop
and
committee.
My
name
is
tony
yarbrough
and
that's
r
b,
o.
U
g
h,
I
represent
nearly
9
000
members
of
the
veterans
of
foreign
wars
in
the
department
of
nevada.
I
also
represent
close
to
a
half
a
million
members
of
the
united
veterans
legislative
council.
As
an
officer
and
past
chairman
uvlc
is
an
organization
of
all
of
the
veterans
organizations
throughout
the
united
states.
J
Excuse
me,
state
of
nevada
that
includes
all
veterans,
active
duty,
military,
national
guard
families
and
advocates
statewide
and,
of
course,
as
andy
commented.
If,
if
we
were
there
you'd
see
all
the
people
seated
behind
us,
that
would
be
there
as
well.
J
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
that
probably
had
not
been
discussed
before
one
of
them.
Of
course
you
see
on
nellis.
We
have
a
exhibit
that
kind
of
explains
the
detail
of
this
where
we
started,
but
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
I
wanted
to
go
beyond
that
just
a
little
bit
and
discuss
briefly
about
the
predatory
practice
that
includes
those
benefit
payouts
that,
in
the
last
number
that
I
saw
exceeded
a
million
dollars
for
the
state
of
nevada
anytime.
You've
got
a
lot
of
money
like
that.
J
You've
always
got
somebody
that's
trying
to
put
their
hands
on
it
when
they're
not
necessarily
entitled
to
it,
but
we
have
financial
planners
which
has
not
been
talked
about,
who
promised
to
qualify
ineligible
veterans
by
repositioning
their
assets
with
financial
products,
not
always
in
the
best
best
interest
of
the
veteran
and
and
accurately
represent
that
that's
the
only
way
to
qualify
for,
say,
a
pa,
a
va
pension
pension
benefit
and
they
often
tie
that
offer
of
a
free
claim
assistance
to
their
for-profit
product.
J
J
With
the
va
now,
it's
interesting
to
note
that
this
bill
will
not
stop
illegal
activity
or
all
of
it.
Anyway.
It's
going
to
slow
things
down
because
it's
intended
to
be
a
deterrent
accredited
activity
also
has
people
who
abuse
the
federal
public
law
109-461,
which
restricts
how
much
they
can
actually
charge
for
their
services.
J
Va
does
have
a
charging
schedule,
but
in
any
case,
they
still
continue
to
overcharge
the
veterans
and
the
clients
that
they
deal
with
one
of
the
things
that
will
happen.
J
Many
to
I
heard
stories
today
about
two
different
incidents
where
people
just
had
had
a
bait
and
switch
game
that
happened
to
them
and-
and
they
are
of
course
it
happened
months
ago
almost
a
year
ago,
and
I'm
just
now
hearing
about
it,
the
more
we
publicize
this,
the
more
we
get
trans.
We
get
transparency
in
the
advertising,
the
sooner
that
we're
going
to
stop
this
this,
this
very,
very
a
dangerous
activity.
That's
that's
hurting
and
damaging
veterans
in
our
lives.
With
that,
I
would
say
thank
you
very
much
and
appreciate
you
listening.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
sir,
and
I
appreciate
your
service
as
well.
Assemblyman.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
all
right
with
that
questions.
Senator
hansen,
you're
awful
quiet
down
there
today
senator
gokajia.
A
Okay,
well
with
that,
I
have
a
question,
so
I
noticed
in
the
bill
that
almost
and
it's
at
the
first
reprint
and
almost
the
whole
bill
has
got
this
amendment
in
it.
Is
that
all
clarifying
language.
N
Yes,
madam
chair,
actually
we
worked
with
several
entities
on
refining
the
veterans
affairs,
the
nevada
veterans
affairs,
several
attorneys
organizations
that
provide
the
va's
to
refine
the
language
from
this
from
the
initial
print.
A
Okay,
all
right!
That's!
That
was
my
question.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
all
right.
Well,
if
there
are
no
more
questions
and
I'm
sorry,
we're
short
members
today,
we're
all
in
and
out
and
doing
different
things.
So
with
that
we
will
go
to
public
testimony
for
support
opposition
and
neutral,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
see
anybody
in
the
room
so
with
that
broadcasting
go
ahead
with
support
when
you're
ready.
I
A
You
did
a
good
job.
Thank
you
very
much
and
once
again,
mr
lafilbet,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
your
service,
and
we
appreciate
your
time
today.
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
I'll
close,
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill.
A
316.
moving
right
along,
I
think,
assemblywoman
casama
is
on
her
way.
But,
oh
as
we
speak
assemblywoman
you
walked
in
right
at
the
right
time.
We're
ready
for
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
welcome
to
senate
government
affairs.
We're
short
it
is
not
and
we're
short
it
is
the
committee.
So
go
ahead.
It's
all
right
and
we're
short
a
couple
people
today,
but
we'll
listen
with
open
ears.
So
please
go
ahead
when
you're
ready.
B
I
know
you've
had
some
exciting
bills,
but
hopefully
mine
is
not
so
for
the
record
assemblywoman
heidi
kasama,
in
the
vibrant
district
2
in
las
vegas.
So
my
and
we
have
somebody
on
zoom
there.
She
is
so
ready
to
visit
with
us
there.
So
this
bill
here
relates
to
the
recording
of
documents
currently
in
statute.
Nrs
111.366
allows
for
electronic
filing
of
documents.
B
However,
this
would
give
the
ability,
if
needed,
for
documents
that
have
been
signed
electronically
to
be
printed
out
to
a
paper
copy,
attach
the
example
prescribed
certificate
certifying
that
the
attached
paper
copy
is
true
and
correct
for
the
recorder's
office,
and
I
would
like
to
introduce
at
this
time
we
have
sylvia
smith
turek
on
the
zoom
call
with
us
here
and
she's,
representing
the
nevada
land
title
association,
who
you
know
has
asked
this
bill
to
be
moved
forward.
That
will
help
the
industry
so
sylvia.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
P
P
I
am
past
president
of
the
nevada
land,
title
association
and
currently
a
member
of
nlta's
legislative
committee.
First,
on
behalf
of
nlta
we'd
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
kasama
for
bringing
forth
this
measure,
the
nevada
legislature
in
2017
passed
remote
online,
electronic
notarization
legislation.
P
However,
once
we
got
into
the
working
of
the
bill,
we
realized
one
provision
had
been
missed.
It's
called
papering
out
an
electronically
signed
and
notarized
document,
so
the
purpose
of
ab325
is
to
add
the
ability
to
paper
out
an
electronic
document
that
has
used
a
notary
that
will
use
a
notary
to
view
and
certify
that
the
electronic
sign
document
is
now
going
to
be
the
original
unchanged
document
in
paper
format
versus
the
electronic
format.
This
bill
also
provides
the
county
recorders,
the
approval
to
record
a
correctly
papered
out
document.
P
I
know
you're
all
really
wondering
what
is
papering
out
generally.
It's
a
three-step
process,
an
authorized
person
reviews
the
document
on
screen
prints
the
electronic
document,
including
any
notarizations
that
may
have
been
applied
to
the
document
by
an
approved
electronic
or
remote
notary,
the
notary
printing.
The
document
will
then
certify
that
that
pan
out
is
now
the
true
and
correct,
accurate
copy
of
that
document.
P
The
paper
out
document
with
that
certification
can
then
be
submitted
for
recording
with
the
county
recorder's
office.
The
certification
by
a
notary
is
a
formal
confirmation
that
certain
characteristics
of
that
electronic
document
have
not
been
changed,
and
the
document
has
been
reviewed
in
its
electronic
format
by
the
person,
slash
notary,
printing
and
certifying
that
that
paper
copy
is
valid.
P
P
That's
why
we're
bringing
this
bill
forward
for
your
consideration.
That
concludes
my
testimony.
On
ab325.
We
respectfully
ask
that
you
passed
this
bill.
We
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
consideration
and
we
thank
assemblywoman
kasama
for
assisting
the
nevada
land
title
association
with
bringing
this
important
bill
forward
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
thank
you
again
for
your
time.
A
A
Okay
questions
senator
gokachen
under
hanson.
Well,
I
always
have
a
question
so
and
and
either
one
of
you
can
answer.
Whoever
wants
to
so
I
heard
all
your
explanations
so
is
papering
out
is
different,
though,
than
like
a
digital
signature.
A
A
B
So
I'll
start
and
and
silly
you
can
jump
in
if
we
need
anything
here.
But
when
you're
talking
about
going
through
on
your.
B
Oh,
I'm
sorry
assemblywoman
kasama
district
2..
So
when
you're
going
through
and
you're
clicking,
it
you're
absolutely
right,
you're
signing
a
document
electronically,
but
now
we
have
to
print
it
out
and
when
you
print
it
out,
your
electronic
signature
will
show
up
with
like
an
authentication
with
the
date
and
the
timestamp.
B
But
then
you
have
to
take
that
that
is
printed
out
and
bring
to
the
recorder's
office.
Normally,
if
you
do
just
a
paper,
you
have
the
notary
stamp
on
it,
but
now
we're
just
taking
something
printed
out.
We
still
have
to
have
it
an
affidavit
sworn
saying
that
it's
true
and
correct,
because
we
have
to
print
out
the
electronic
version
and
deliver
it.
So
we
have
to
have
an
affidavit
on
it.
P
Sylvia
smith,
turk,
for
the
record,
just
to
kind
of
follow
up
with
this.
This
bill
in
particular,
has
to
do
with
an
electronically
signed
and
notarized
document
that
allows
us
to
be
able
to
go
and
record
it.
So
it
just
to
clarify
like
if
you
you
had
signed
something
through
docusign,
just
to
name
a
software
platform.
P
You
could
print
that
document,
but
you
really
couldn't
go
record
it
because
for
a
document
to
be
recorded
it
has
a
notary
requirement.
So
this
is
more
kind
of
strictly
geared
toward
a
ron.
Remote
online
electronically
signed
notarized
document.
We
just
need
the
ability
to
print
it,
a
notary
to
certify
they've
seen
on
the
screen.
A
Thank
you
very
much
I'll,
never
be
able
to
buy
another
house
again
without
the
assembly,
woman,
okay,
I
guess
the
other
question
I
have
is
is
under
section
two:
where
they've
got
the
language
there
is
that's
that
would
that
standard
language
like
that
would
that
was
is
what
everybody
would
use.
Is
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
different
counties
didn't
use
something
different
or
what
have
you
so
okay.
Well,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
your
time
today.
A
No
other
questions,
and
I
we
know
where
you
work
so
we'll
find
you
if
we
have
them
with
that,
we'll
go
to
support
opposition
and
neutral.
If
you
don't
mind,
okay,
thank
you
very
much,
then
I'll.
Look
in
the
room
to
see
support
and
if
you
are
in
support,
please
come
forward
and
go
ahead.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee
elliot
malin
for
the
record,
representing
the
creditors
rights
attorneys,
association
of
nevada
kran
for
short.
First,
I
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
for
bringing
the
bill
and
the
committee
for
hearing
it
today.
I
will
be
very
brief.
We
support
this
bill.
We
believe
it
will
be
another
tool
to
the
toolbox,
resolve
creditor
claims
and
release
lanes
timely,
and
we
really
do
appreciate
it
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
I
I
I
K
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
theresa:
mckee
m-c-k-e-e,
with
nevada
realtors,
the
realtors
appreciate
assemblywoman
kasama
bringing
ab325
forward
and
we
are
in
full
support
of
the
bill.
It
is
so
important
that
closings
happen
on
time
and
that
the
property
is
able
to
record
and
not
be
delayed
from
a
technical
glitch.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
express
our
support.
A
A
All
righty
well,
then,
thank
you
very
much
and
any
closing
comments.
A
You
sure
did-
and
we
like
that-
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today
and
we'll
see
you
soon.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'll
close.
The
hearing
on
assembly
bill
325
and
assembly
bill
397.
H
Madam
chair
jamie
rodriguez,
we
do
actually
have
lynn
goya
the
clark
county
clerk
and
jan
galicini,
the
washoe
county
clerk
that
will
go
through
the
bill.
I'm
just
here
for
support.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
then.
Opening
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
397.,
welcome
to
senate
government
affairs
and
miss
goya.
Are
you
going
to
start?
Q
Good
morning,
chairman
under
arlou,
vice
chairman
orrin
shaw,
who
is
not
here
and
committee
members-
I'm
lynn
marie
goya,
the
clark
county
clerk.
Thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
on
behalf
of
the
statewide
clerks
association.
The
bill
primarily
clarifies
and
simplifies
language
that
led
to
the
legislatures.
Attend
can
be
more
easily
interpreted,
and
so
the
offices
of
the
county
clerks
throughout
the
state
may
operate
more
efficiently
and
more
consistently.
Q
Ab397
has
no
expected
fiscal
impact.
I
can
take
you
through
that.
It's
mostly
a
cleanup
bill.
I
can
go
through
each
section
if
you
want,
or
we
can
just
give
a
really
brief
overview.
It's
basically
a
cleanup
bill.
There
were
some
discrepancy
and
languages
and
different
chapters,
and
so
what
we
did
is
try
to
make
them
more
consistent
and
that's
primarily
the
goal
of
this
bill,
and
then
jan
has
another
section
that
she
wants
to
talk
to.
If
you
want
me
to
go
in
more
dislike,
I'm
very
happy
to
do
that.
A
Q
Sure,
if
you
want
to
go
through
the
bill,
nrs
246
180
section,
one
two
adds
nrs
adds
to
nrs
246
180,
the
five-day
deadline.
That
already
is
called
out
in
nrs
122,
120
3
and
4.
Q
nrs
246
190
sections
2-2
provides
consistent
language
between
the
chapters
that
regulate
the
clerk
and
fees
while
clarifying
the
use
of
funds
by
simplifying
the
language
to
provide
financial
clarification
on
the
types
of
acceptable
expenditures
related
to
the
technology
fee.
For
this
fund
there
is
no
financial
impact,
nrs
19016
sections,
3
2
makes
the
language
between
246
and
19
consistent
regarding
the
use
of
the
technology
fund,
nrs
122.04,
o40,
section
41
fixes
language
needed
if
122.0615
is
repealed.
Q
The
amendment
allows
county
clerks
the
option
of
offering
a
digital
brochures
and
lua
printed
brochures
to
reduce
the
impact
on
the
environment
and
reduce
the
possibility
of
transferring
germs.
This
only
impacts,
clark
and
washoe
counties.
The
next
section
will
be
presented
by
the
washoe
county
clerk,
as
it
only
pertains
to
washout
county
at
the
conclusion.
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
of
your
questions
and
now
turn
it
over
to
janna's
galaxy.
R
R
A
Thank
you
very
much
questions
senator
hansen
and
senator
coach
kochia.
A
R
A
Thank
you
very
much,
that's
what
I
thought,
but
I
wanted
to
double
check
and
put
it
on
the
record.
The
other
question
I
have
is.
A
Q
Clark
gets
we
are
the
biggest
county
by
far
as
you
well
know,
we
have,
we
believe
it's
sufficient
for
our
purposes.
I
do
believe
some
of
the
smaller
counties
are
still
very
much
struggling
to
be
able
to
afford
the
technology
that
their
constituents
want
and
expect
when,
since
it's
related
to
documents
that
are
filed,
it
very
much
depends
upon
the
volume
of
the
documents
that
you
are
taking
in.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Any
questions,
senator
hansen,
senator
gokuchi,
please.
G
Just
kind
of
off
the
wall,
what
does
a
marriage
license?
Cost
you
in
washoe
county
today
then
pre-technology.
R
John
galencini,
I'm
sorry
jan
galicini,
for
the
record.
A
current.
The
current
cost
of
a
marriage
license
is
60.
25
of
that
goes
to
the
domestic
violence
fund.
21
goes
to
the
clerk.
Five
dollars
goes
to
our
technology
fund
so
and
we
issue
approximately
7
000
licenses
a
year.
So
we
don't
it's
not
a
huge
fund,
but
I
know
it's
better
in
washoe
than
it
is
in
the
15
other
smaller
counties.
Q
This
is
lynn
goyer
county
for
the
record.
No,
a
few
years
ago,
we
were
able
to
add
14
to
the
marriage
license
to
create
a
special
wedding
promotion
fund,
which
generates
about
one
million
dollars
per
year
that
we
use
to
promote
weddings
in
clark,
county
and
the
wedding
industry.
Sb
177
will
also
add
25
dollars
to
every
marriage
license
and
additional
support
for
domestic
violence.
Prevention.
Q
Total
102
after
177,
if
177,
has
passed.
Q
It's
77
right
now
and
what
sb
177
allowed
25
throughout
the
state,
not
just
clark,
and
so
ours
would
be
102
dollars,
which
would
be
one
of
the
highest
in
the
nation.
A
Senator
hansen
senator
gokachia
second
round
all
righty.
Well
with
that
being
said,
miss
rodriquez.
Do
you
have
anything
you
need
to
add.
H
H
Excuse
me:
one
of
the
things
we
were
not
able
to
do
is
potentially
close
the
office
a
little
bit
earlier
and
not
have
staff
working
those
hours,
and
so
this
flexibility,
we
think,
helps
us
ensure
that
we're
able
to
be
good
stewards
of
our
public
funding
and
put
us
in
parity
with
the
rest
of
the
state.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that,
if
there
are
no
more
comments,
we
will
go
to
our
public
line.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
we'll
close
public
testimony
and
miss
goya
miss
galissini.
Do
you
have
any
closing
comments
for
us.
R
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
today,
all
right
with
that
I'll
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
or
assembly
bill
397,
and
with
that
I
will
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
410
and
mr
daley.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
Thank
you.
Please.
S
Join
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
skip
daily
and
you're
presenting
assembly
bill
410
and
I'm
representing
the
labors
union
local
169..
I
also
have
alexis
here
at
the
agc
who
worked
with
this
on
this
bill,
as
we
thought
of
the
concept
to
to
make
the
corrections
we're
making
and
then
the
agc
had
an
amendment
on
the
assembly
side,
which
you
see
in
the
bill
here
today.
So
I'll
go
through
that
quickly.
S
What
we're
trying
to
address
in
the
bill
is
in
section
one
where
we
talk
about
construction,
manager's
agent
versus
a
construction
manager
at
risk,
so
we
don't
really
make
any
substantial
changes
or
any
really
changes
to
the
construction
manager
at
risk
process.
S
We
just
add
a
criteria
in
order
to
be
considered
as
a
construction
manager
at
risk.
You
have
to
have
not
had
or
entered
into
a
contract
with
the
public
body
to
be
a
construction
manager
as
an
agent
within
the
previous.
With
the
amendment,
it's
a
friendly
amendment
to
consider
it'll
be
changed
from
five
years
to
four
years.
S
The
reason
for
that
is
because
there's
a
conflict
of
interest
when
somebody
works
as
a
construction
manager
as
agent
and
overseas.
What
would
otherwise
potentially
be
a
construction
manager
at
risk
future
competitor.
S
So
when
you
hire
construction
manager
at
risk
and
sorry
for
the
terminology
there,
construction
manager
at
risk,
you
hire
them
to
do
pre-construction
services
before
they
actually
then
negotiate
a
guaranteed
maximum
price
to
actually
build
what
it
is.
So
you
come
in
with
the
concept
you
say.
I
need
a
building
this
many
stories,
this
many
square
feet
this
man
much
office
space
et
cetera.
You
don't
really
have
a
design.
S
S
So
you
become
the
representative
of
the
public
entity
and,
as
that
representative
you're,
then
overseeing
a
contractor
or
construction
manager
at
risk,
and
you
get
to
have
what
I
call
privileged
information
or
information
that
would
otherwise
not
be
public
about
your
competitor
about
their
design
processes
their
how
they
schedule
their
work,
how
they
go
about
constructability
and
value
engineering
and
various
things.
So
you
learn
intimate
knowledge
of
a
person
that
would
be
your
competitor.
S
So
this
is
going
to
eliminate
that
say,
separate
it
you're
going
to
be
a
construction
manager's
agent
or
construction
manager
at
risk
pick
your
lane,
and
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
one
or
the
other,
then
you
have
to
wait
that
period
of
time
to
before
you
can
be
considered
as
a
construction
manager
at
risk
and
then
the
next
section
there
was
the
selection
process
for
a
construction
manager,
as
agent
was
just,
there
was
no
criteria
or
anything.
S
There
basically
was
a
no-bid
contract
and
we
wanted
to
have
some
element
of
selection
criteria.
So
at
first
we
were
just
going
to
take
it
and
make
it
a
competitive
bid,
and
then
speaking
with
many
of
the
people
in
the
industry
on
how
they
do
that,
they
felt
that
the
qualification
based
selection
criteria
would
be
better,
and
that
was
at
the
suggestion
of
the
agc,
and
we
actually
took
the
language
and
alexis
can
talk
more
about
that
from
an
existing
statute
on
how
to
select
engineers
at
this
particular
time.
S
We
basically
fitted
into
this
and
took
that
language
to
make
it
be
something
that
public
agencies
should
recognize
that
they're
used
to,
because
that's
how
they
use
used
to
pick
engineering
firms
as
it
is
the
rest
of
the
bill
and
I'll
try
to
explain
this.
S
The
rest
of
the
sections
repeal
the
provisions
that
are
in
the
statutes
of
nevada,
which
is
different
than
the
nrs.
That
would
go
into
effect
if
the
sunset
was
not
lifted
and
repeals
those
sections.
So
it's
counterintuitive
all
of
the
language
that
would
be
repealed
that
you
see
in
the
rest
of
the
bill
is
actually
going
to
be
retained
because
we
repeal
those
sections
that
are
sun
setting
and
with
that,
if
alexis
has
some
more
to
add
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
questions
at
the
appropriate
time.
T
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
alexis
motorex
of
the
nevada
chapter
associated
general
contractors
representing
the
commercial
construction
industry
in
northern
nevada.
We
are
happy
to
be
here
to
present
ab410
with
mr
daly.
We
are
pleased
to
work
with
stakeholders
on
this
bill
and
we
thank
assemblyman
flores
for
bringing
it
forward
on
the
assembly
side.
As
mr
daley
discussed
briefly,
we
did
amend
the
bill
to
formalize
the
process
by
which
a
construction
manager's
agent
can
be
selected
by
a
public
body.
T
The
process
is
well
known
to
both
public
agency
and
the
firms
that
pursue
this
work.
Requiring
qualification
based
process
will
ensure
the
firm
is
being
selected
to
act
as
construction
management
manager
as
agent
have
the
necessary
competence
and
experience
to
represent
the
public
agency
on
any
specific
construction
contract.
T
Currently,
these
contracts
are
awarded
through
a
no-bid
process
and
can
be
upwards
of
a
million
dollars.
We
believe
formalizing.
The
awarding
of
these
contracts
will
make
things
more
transparent
and
are
in
the
best
interest
of
the
taxpayer,
and
the
amendment
that
we
are
presenting
today
is
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
of
stakeholders
who
oppose
the
bill
on
the
assembly
side.
T
A
Five,
thank
you
very
much
questions.
G
G
S
And
if
I
can
again
skip
daily
representing
the
labors
union,
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is,
like
I
said
on
the
first
part
into
section.
One
is
to
say
that
we
want
to
eliminate
the
potential
conflict
of
interest
and
one
entity
when
they
become
the
representative
of
the
owner
being
able
to
oversee
a
competitor
and
learn
how
he
operates.
His
business
is
something
that
you
would
never
basically
reveal
to
your
competitor,
etc.
S
So
we're
saying,
if
you're
going
to
be
hired
in
that
position,
that
that
would
take
you
out
of
being
able
to
be
a
construction
manager
at
risk
for
a
period
of
four
years
with
the
amendment
that
should
eliminate
the
conflict,
it
should
get
contractors
or
engineers,
because
not
only
contractors
do
this
engineering
firms
become
the
the
representative
for
the
the
agent
for
the
warding
body,
so
those
that
that
should
eliminate
that
unfair
advantage
all
right.
The
other
part
about
the
way
a
construction
manager's
agent
is
currently
selected.
S
Without
this
change
is
there's
no
process,
they
can
just
say,
I'm
going
to
pick
you
and
tell
me
what
your
price
is
and
you're
selected.
So
there
was
no
reason
to
have
no
requirement
to
advertise,
no
reason
to
base
it
on
price
or
any
other
qualification
they
could
pick
who
they
wanted
to
oftentimes.
They
would
negotiate
a
price
and
various
things,
but
they
didn't
have
to
allow
anybody
to
come
in
if
they
didn't
want
to.
S
They
could
just
pick
who
they
wanted,
but
we
were
going
to
make
it
originally,
and
the
first
draft
of
the
bill
said
we're
going
to
do
a
competitive
bid
process.
You
have
to
advertise
and
do
all
this
stuff
and
what
the
industry
came
back
and
said-
and
I
agree
once
we
thought
about
it-
is
that
we
would
be
much
better
off
for
a
professional
service
that
we're
picking
to
use
the
process
that
that
they're
already
familiar
with
and
do
a
qualifications
based.
S
So
the
way
it
reads
in
there
is
that
they
would
have
to
advertise
for
this
work
to
be
a
construction
manager's
agent.
They
would
set
what
the
qualifications.
What's
your
experience,
what
type
of
work
have
you
done?
They
would
give
a
weight
to
each
one
of
those
when
they're
in
their
advertisement
and
then
they
would
select
who
they're
going
to
have
based
on
that
qualification
fee
is
not
a
factor
at
that
point.
G
So
then,
it
looks
like
you're
you're,
this
construction
manager
as
an
agent,
and
is
it
very
similar
skip
to
what
we
used
to
deal
with,
and
we
had.
You
know
what
we
call
the
clerk
of
the
work,
the
guy
that
oversaw
the
job
wasn't
really
the
manager,
but
this
guy
would
have
far
more
authority.
S
Not
not
exactly
so
the
construction
manager
as
agent
like
I
said
so,
you
have
some
some
agencies,
you
know
in
clark
county
and
some
wash
washer
county.
They
have.
They
have
a
certain
amount
of
expertise
on
their
staff,
d.o.t
and
some
others,
some
smaller
agencies
in
washington
and
in
clark
and
then
in
the
rural
counties.
S
S
S
G
S
Okay,
yes,
again
skip
daily
for
the
record.
That
would
pertain
to
the
construction
manager
as
agents.
So
that's
similar
language
that
you
see
in,
for
instance,
in
just
regular
public
works
bidding.
If
you
have
the
bitter
preference,
that's
issued
by
the
contractor's
board
and
various
things.
So
if
there's
a
qualification
based
criteria
where
someone
gets
a
bit
of
preference
because
they
have
60
months
of
paying
taxes
in
in
having
an
office
in
nevada,
that
you
would
get
that
five
percent
preference.
S
So
if
you're
bidding
a
nevada
based
company
versus
an
out-of-state
company-
and
you
have
that
five
percent
preference,
then
that
would
be
a
factor
when
they're
when
they're
looking
at.
G
But
this
construction
manager
agent
is
actually
working
for
it
would
actually
be
hired
by
the
the
agency
that
was
going
out
to
bid
right,
not
the
not
the
company.
G
S
Yeah,
the
owner
or
the
county
or.
T
S
It
might
be
would
be
able
to
when
they're
evaluating
the
two
bids
apply
to
five
percent
preference.
If
a
person
qualified
all
right.
L
S
And
if
I
can,
madam
chair
skip
daily
again
for
the
record
happy
to
answer
any
of
your
questions
when
you
do
come
up
with
them
to
hopefully
make
you
feel
comfortable,
but,
like
I
said
we
we
spent
some
time
we
talk
to
as
many
people
as
we
can
in
the
industry.
There
is
not
a
hundred
percent
but
substantial
agreement
in
the
industry
that
that
this
is
beneficial
both
in
the
horizontal
and
the
vertical
arenas
of
the
work
in
regard
to
seymour.
G
S
Yeah
well
again
skip
daily
for
the
record.
Yes,
a
construction
manager's
agent
could
be
hired
by
one
agency
and
or
and
be
hired
by
another
agency
at
the
same
time,
two
different
projects
or
by
the
same
agency,
but
you
would
have
to
go
through
the
bidding.
You
know
the
bidding
process
and
various
things
each
time.
G
G
Go
I
I'm
just
gonna
if
I
at
eureka
county,
I'm
gonna
hire
this
construction
manager
agent
and
then
I've
got
two
or
three
projects
going.
I've
got
him
on
the
payroll
and
can
I
use
him
on
because
it
says
here
this
doesn't
apply
if
it's
under
a
hundred
thousand,
so
I
can
have
him
working
down
in
the
park
and
doing
a
minor
job
and
yet
two
highway
overlays.
T
So
alexis
motorix
with
the
agc
for
the
record
it's
per
project,
so
a
construction
manager's
agent
is
hired
for
a
particular
project
not
to
have
on
retainers
so
to
speak.
So
if
eureka
county
has
three
or
four
large
projects
where
they
need
a
construction
manager's
agent
to
help
oversee,
then
it
would
be
that
bidding
process
for
each
of
those
projects,
not
for
all
of
them
combined.
G
S
Yeah
so
so
let
me
go
back
and
see
if
I
can
give
you
an
example
again
skip
daily
for
the
record,
so
the
school
district
puts
out
a
project
and
they're
going
to
do
it
as
a
construction
manager
at
risk.
So
they
put
out
proposals
into
the
deal
for
pre-construction
services,
so
they
put
in
their
qualifications,
they
get
shortlisted.
S
Then
they
come
in
for
the
interview
and
they'll
score
them
based
on
the
criteria
that
they
put
in
to
pick
them
as
a
construction
manager
as
agent
or
at
risk.
Excuse
me
so
then,
the
construction
manager
at
risk
now
is
going
to
engage
in
what
they
call
pre-construction
services.
So
that's
the
first
part
of
it
so
now
they're
actually
going
to
go
and
design
the
building
or
the
roadway
the
bridge,
whatever
it
is
from
from
scratch.
They
have
a
concept.
S
I
have
to
have
a
building
this
many
stories,
this
many
office
building
square
feed,
entryway
and
here's
the
footprint
that
we
have
to
build
it
on
and
here's
our
budget
design
me
the
best
building
that
you
can
so
then
they
will
go
in
and
start
to
design
those
things
and
then
oftentimes.
If
it's
a
more
complex
project
or
it's
bigger.
S
That
agency
may
not
have
the
bandwidth
or
the
staff
for
everybody
to
say:
hey,
I'm
an
expert
on
this
type
of
construction,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
they'll
hire
an
agent
that
would
be
the
construction
manager's
agent,
so
they've
selected
the
cmar
they're
starting
to
do
their
stuff.
They
say
I
need
some
help,
so
they'll
put
out
a
separate
proposal
or
bid
an
advertisement
to
hire
an
agent,
a
rep,
a
representative
of
the
owner,
to
help
them
oversee
and
say:
are
these
constructable
you
know
so
they'll
do
construction,
constructability,
review
they'll!
S
They
would
be
working
for
the
awarding
body,
as
a
representative
of
that
agency,
to
help
the
agency
manage
what
the
seymour's
is
bringing
to
them
and
that's
where
the
conflict
comes
in,
because
then
they're,
seeing
what
that
seymour
does
on
how
they
do
their
scheduling,
how
they
do
the
design
who
they
build
their
team
with
how
they
address
problems.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
my
question
is,
and
I
think
the
way
I'm
looking
at
this
bill
being
printed,
is
that
the
text
of
the
repealed
sections,
but
I'm
seeing
that
includes
enshi
las
vegas
valley,
water.
A
State
of
nevada,
can
you
address
that
piece.
S
Yeah,
I
will,
I
will
try
again
skip
daily
for
the
record,
so
when
the
seymour
bill
was
added
to
the
statute.
However,
many
years
ago
there
was
a
sunset
that
was
added
to
that.
Actually,
I
think
it
was
much
later
in
senator
spearman
added
it
to
with
the
seymour,
with
some
changes
that
we
made
whatever
her
first
session,
was
I'm
trying
to
think
to
win
the
statutes
in
nevada.
S
Right
after
that
date,
with
the
sunset,
they
have
a
whole
new
section
of
the
statutes
of
nevada,
written
repealing
all
of
those
sections
right.
So
when
we
lift
the
sunset,
the
language
that
was
in
the
section
that's
going
to
be
kept,
and
we
repeal
the
section
that
repeals
all
of
the
stuff,
so
it's
we're
repealing
the
section
that
was
going
to
repeal
so
all
of
that
stuff
stays
if
that
it's
counterintuitive,
but
that's
the
way.
T
Thank
you
for
the
record.
This
is
heidi
clarkson
with
the
legal
division.
So
I
agree
with
mr
daley
that
the
way
we
draft
is
that
when
we
have
a
prospective
sunset
in
place,
we
show
the
different
versions
of
the
sections
of
law
that
are
affected.
So
we
have
one
section
that
is
effective
now
and
then
we
show
what
the
section
of
law
will
be.
T
Once
the
sunset
occurs,
and
since
we're
removing
the
sunset
for
the
seymar
provisions,
we
need
to
eliminate
the
version
of
the
section
that
would
exist
if
the
cmar
provisions
went
away,
so
we're
not
repealing
we're
repealing
a
version
of
the
section
that
would
exist
if
the
cmr
provision
is
expired,
we're
not
repealing
the
entire
section.
There
will
still
be
a
version
of
these
sections.
A
Nevada,
okay,
I
can
pretend,
like
I
understand,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
explanation.
Any
other
questions
I
think
everybody's
in
this
processing
mode,
trying
to
pull
it
all
together.
Any
additional
comments
from
you.
S
Thank
you,
madam
chair
again
skip
daily
for
the
record
and
and
if
anybody
else
have
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
get
ahold
of
me
or
or
the
agc.
I
know
mr
mcdougall
would
have
been
here,
but
he
has.
I
had
a
prior
commitment
today
but
happy
to
talk
to
anybody
when
they
have
a
if
they
come
up
with
the
questions.
A
I
L
L
Specifically
acec
nevada
is
comprised
of
most
of
the
engineering
companies
throughout
north
and
southern
nevada,
and
we're
here
to
support
that
language
that
you've
come
up
with
through
we've,
been
working
together
with
the
contractors,
the
owners
and
all
the
stakeholders
right
now,
the
language
is
it's
written.
We
fully
support
because
a
construction
manager
agent
and
I
think
it's
interesting
to
hear
what
that's
been
called
over
the
years,
but
whether
it's
the
owner's
rep
a
construction
manager.
L
It's
qualification
based
selection,
qbs,
rather
than
competitive
bidding.
The
reason
for
this
is
that
we
act
as
an
independent
third
party,
independent
of
the
contractor,
the
cmar
and
we
work
for
the
owner.
L
This
language
also
mandates
that
engineers,
art
and
architects
are
selected
to
protect
the
public's
general
welfare
safety
and
health
throughout
the
course
of
the
project,
and
we
fully
support
agc's
amendments
and
appreciate
their
help
working
through
this
and
appreciate
your
time
this
afternoon
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
anything
pertaining
to
the
engineers
can't
speak
for
the
architects,
but
we
fully
support
this
measure
and
all
the
agencies.
The
public
agencies
throughout
the
state
right
now
normally
have
a
process
that
they
hire
construction
managers,
agents
and
that's
through
proposals
requests
for
proposals,
requests
for
qualifications.
L
L
Larry
larry
no
larry.
A
I
I
I
K
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
This
is
jessica,
ferrado,
j-e-f-s-I-c-a,
f-e-r-r-a-t-o,
with
crowley
and
throttle
public
affairs
here
today
on
behalf
of
granite
construction
granite,
is
in
support
of
ab410.
With
the
amendments
included
today,
we
like
to
provision
specifically
that
eliminate
conflict
of
interest.
As
highlighted
by
the
presenters,
I
want
to
express
our
appreciation
for
all
the
work
that
has
been
done
on
this
bill
and
urger
support
on
on
ab410.
I
K
We
respectfully
speak
in
opposition
of
this
bill
today
and
look
forward
to
working
with
the
legislature
and
the
the
host
on
this
particular
bill
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
So
much.
I
I
K
K
Once
we
received
an
understanding
and
the
amendment
that
is
clear
that
this
will
not
impact
professional
services
like
architecture,
services
and
those
sorts
of
things,
we
are
neutral
on
the
bill.
The
overwhelming
majority
of
construction
manager
as
agent
agents
are
these
types
of
engineering
firms
and
that
that
limitation
would
have
been
problematic,
but
the
clarification
that
we've
received
this
would
not
impact
their
ability.
K
It
resolves
our
concern,
so
the
urban
consortium
is
is
pleased
to
testify
neutral
on
this
bill.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
K
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
david
dazzlich
d-a-z-l-I-c-h,
director
of
government
affairs
for
the
vegas
chamber,
I'd
like
to
echo
the
comments
made
by
my
colleague
warren
hardy
and
thank
the
sponsor
for
working
with
the
stakeholders
on
this
bill.
We
appreciate
the
amendments
that
have
been
accepted
and
are
here
today
in
the
neutral
position.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
mr
daley.
Do
you
have
any
closing
comments?
Okay,
no
closing
comments.
Then
I'll
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
410,
I'm
sure
you
can
look
forward
to
some
questions
by
committee
members
and
those
that
aren't
here
as
well.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
today
and
your
patience
waiting
through
your
turn
appreciate
that
all
right
with
that
we've
successfully
gone
through
all
our
bills.
So
that
takes
us
to
one
last
thing,
and
that
is
public
comment.
A
So
broadcasting
when
you're
ready,
we'll
listen
to
public
comment.
Remember
you
have
two
minutes
and
you
can
talk
about
anything
but
the
bills
we've
talked
about
today.
So
public
comment
broadcasting
when
you're
ready.
I
I
K
Hello,
my
name
is
selena
larue,
hatch,
l,
a
space,
r-u-e
hatch
is
h-a-t-c-h,
I'm
a
teacher
and
member
of
msea
and
wea,
and
I
am
calling
with
deep
concerns
about
the
new
education
funding
plan
and
I
urge
you
to
end
the
anti-union
ending
fund
balance
that
allows
districts
to
wall
off
up
to
16.6
of
their
operating
budget
from
collective
bargaining.
There's
no
legitimate
reason.
This
needs
to
be
part
of
the
funding
plan
and
only
ensures
that
educators
across
the
state
will
no
longer
be
able
to
collectively
bargain
for
improvements
to
education
or
their
profession.
K
You
have
already
pushed
your
educators
past
our
limits
this
last
year
our
workloads
have
doubled
or
even
tripled,
and
we
have
risked
our
lives
and
our
health
to
keep
students
learning.
Sadly,
at
the
same
time,
our
voices
have
been
continually
silenced
as
we
have
been
shut
out
of
every
major
policy
decision,
and
this
body
chose
to
slash
our
budgets
to
the
bone.
The
fact
that
you
want
to
add
to
this
suffering
with
this
absurd
end
fund
requirement
demonstrate
a
severe
lack
of
care
or
understanding
from
our
leaders.
K
Clearly,
our
leaders
do
not
understand
that
people
can
only
be
pushed
so
far
before
they
break.
If
changes
are
not
made
to
this
plan,
this
state
will
face
a
teacher
shortage
which
the
likes
of
which
we
have
never
seen.
However,
this
pain
can
be
easily
avoided.
All
it
requires
is
a
small
change
to
the
new
funding
formula,
remove
the
harmful
language
with
walls
off
16.6
of
a
district's
budget
and
allow
educators
to
continue
to
bargain
in
good
faith
without
arbitrary
and
artificial
restrictions.
Thank
you.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
well
with
that.
I
think
we
have
finished
this
meeting
and
I
appreciate
those
that
are
here
today.
We'll
have
another
one
on
wednesday
at
3
30
and
I'm
sure
it
will
promise
to
be
a
tad
longer
because
it'll
probably
include
a
work
session.
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
all
you
and
thank
you
to
those
of
you
that
are
joining
us
virtually
and
have
a
nice
evening
and
see
you
on
wednesday,
with
that
this
meeting's.