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A
A
D
A
Here,
thank
you.
We
seem
to
be
having
some
technical
difficulties.
Please
mark
senator
orrinshaw
present
looks
like
he.
Just
logged
back
on
senator
settlemyer
is
on
his
way
so
also
mark
him
present
when
he
arrives
I'll,
try
to
make
a
note
of
it
as
well.
A
Oh
now
we
have
senator
orrinshaw
here
twice,
so
maybe
that
could
count
for
senator
selameyer's
absence
and
also
I
want
to
let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
both
of
our
fantastic
lcb
staff
members
here,
patrick
gein,
and
our
policy
analyst
nicholas
anthony
our
committee
council.
A
We
are
very
appreciative
to
have
you
here
and
on
today's
agenda.
We
have
one
bill
hearing
and
that
is
sb
236,
which
will
be
presented
by
senator
harris
along
with
some
co-presenters
and
for
those
of
you
listening
at
home.
I
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
significant
testimony
in
several
positions.
I
don't
know
what
positions
and
we
will
try
to
get
through
everybody.
A
This
meeting
does
have
to
conclude
at
3
pm
today
due
to
scheduling,
but
we
will
keep
an
eye
on
the
clock
and
keep
an
eye
on
the
queue
and
make
sure
that
everybody
has
a
chance
to
weigh
in
and
if
you
are
not
able
to
weigh
in
via
telephone.
Please
please,
please
send
us
your
written
comments,
you
can
email
them,
you
can
fax
them.
You
can
text
them
to
me
and
I'll
put
them
in
the
record,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
senator
harris
to
present
sb
236.
E
E
E
E
E
The
proposed
early
warning
system
has
the
following
elements,
so
it
tracks
and
measures
incidents
of
bias
indicators,
for
example
a
large
number
of
cis
and
complaints,
a
large
number
of
improper
searches.
How
officer
how
often
an
officer
resorts
to
the
use
of
force
or
any
other
indicator,
that
an
officer
has
like
a
negative
attitude
towards
community
policing
or
other
things
that
may
enhance
relations
between
law
enforcement
and
the
community.
E
It
also
tracks
other
problematic
behavior
that
can
indicate,
when
someone's
likely
to
exhibit
bias
prior
to
that
bias
being
used
to
inform
decisions
on
the
job.
This
gives
law
enforcement
agencies,
the
data
and
tools
to
address
the
indicators
at
an
appropriate
level
for
the
officer
which
starts
again
with
increased
supervision
and
training
or
talent
or
counseling.
E
Finally,
proposed
legislation
gets
posted
discretion
to
adopt
any
regulations
necessary
to
carry
out
any
of
these
provisions
again.
The
idea
here
is
that
police
departments
can
take
their
expertise
and
put
together
indicators
that
they
believe
will
exhibit
someone
who
might
be
displaying
bias
and
offer
some
curative
measures
before
some
serious
harm
comes
to
comes
to
fruition.
E
Do
warning
systems
work?
Well,
we
we
trust
the
doppler
10
000,
to
indicate
whether
weather
outside
what
the
weather
is
outside.
E
We
all
know
it's
not
likely,
nor
does
it
always
come
to
fruition
in
the
way
it
was
forecast,
but
it
prepares
us
for
extreme
events
by
measuring
the
temperature
and
pressure
and
other
indicators
that
may
result
in
a
catastrophic
event.
The
early
warning
system
used
in
law
enforcement
has
the
same
purpose.
We
want
to
help
leaders
identify
potential
problems
and
to
intervene
so
that
these
problems
do
not
become
catastrophic.
E
E
Data
that's
currently
collected
does
not
have
enough
information
for
analysis
and
may
not
be
addressing
issues
that
were
reported
to
this
very
body
in
2003,
for
people
to
feel
that
justice
is
being
equally
applied,
we
must
be
able
to
demonstrate
equity
through
data.
E
The
last
study
done
regarding
racial
profiling
traffic
stops
was
a
2001
interim
study,
resulting
in
a
report
presented
to
the
legislature
in
2003,
which
indicated
grave
disparities
in
who
was
stopped.
What
happened
after
the
stop,
including
who
was
handcuffed
and
who
was
subsequently
arrested
at
that
time?
Black
males
made
up
about
six
percent
of
the
population
in
nevada.
What
but
were
about
15
percent
of
the
traffic
stops.
E
Generally,
these
types
of
over
representations
are
apparent
across
all
kinds
of
racial
groups
and
jurisdictions
who
participated
in
the
study
as
a
result
of
the
study,
internal
changes
and
procedures
may
have
changed,
but
there's
no
evidence
of
that
change
in
the
policy.
So
it's
imperative
that
the
legislature
kind
of
take
another
look
at
this
in
an
aggregate
sense
and
get
some
statistical
analysis
done
on
whether
these
biases
exist.
E
E
This
is
not
designed
to
require
police
officers
to
write
down
this
information
if
they're
stopping
someone
in
order
to
divert
them
from
some
hazard
in
the
road,
for
example,
I
also
am
going
to
look
forward
to
an
amendment
that
will
be
able
to
make
some
of
this
aggregate
anonymized
data
available
to
the
public
for
analysis
as
well.
E
E
Agencies
will
be
able
to
identify
potential
issues
up
front
and
collecting
comprehensive
data,
so
that
issues
can
be
abated
and
best
practices
can
be
employed
uniformly
across
the
state
will
only
create
a
more
effective
justice
system
and
the
last
piece
of
the
bill
is
related
to
how
we
use
policing
in
society
right.
The
the
thing
I'm
always
reminded
of
is
the
fact
that
you
know
for
medical
issues.
We
send
emts
for
a
gas
leak.
You
call
your
gas
company
for
a
fire.
You
call
the
fire
department,
any
other
crisis
under
the
sun.
E
E
E
kids.
Today,
don't
even
know
how
to
address
an
envelope
to
to
send
it
in
the
mail
our
way
of
thinking
and
doing
has
to
adopt
at
the
rate
of
the
of
the
people
we
serve.
E
E
Nevada's
law
enforcement
agencies
will
operate
better
if
we
develop
an
early
warning
system
to
preempt
issues
provide
some
accountability
of
egregious
violations,
happen
I'll,
go
ahead
and
note
as
well.
At
this
point,
las
vegas
metro
has
an
early
warning
system
in
place,
and
so
this
bill
would
not
require
any
police
department
that
already
has
an
early
warning
system
to
create
one
different
than
what
they're
already
doing.
It
was
really
important
to
me
to
allow
police
departments
to
take
into
account
the
factors
they
feel
necessary
because,
frankly,
they're
the
experts
on
policing.
E
E
So
give
me
just
one
second,
and
then
I
will
turn
it
over
to
nissa
from
forced
trajectory.
Oh
yay,
they
did
it
for
me.
Thank
you
bps.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
nisa
from
forced
trajectory
and
I
also
have
a
special
guest,
miss
ackery,
who
will
hop
on
and
and
tell
her
story
as
well.
Nisa.
A
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Senator
harris
hello,
everyone.
Thank
you
for
having
me.
My
name
is
nisa
sun
and
I
am
the
co-founder
of
the
force
trajectory
project.
My
name,
spelling
is
n-I-s-s-a-t-z-u-n
for
trajectory
project
is
a
media
and
public
relations
organization
dedicated
to
advocating
for
survivors
and
families
impacted
by
police
violence.
For
the
last
12
years,
we
have
been
deeply
immersed
in
communities
impacted
by
police
violence
nationwide
and
for
the
last
five
years
we
have
been
focusing
on
las
vegas.
F
In
that
time,
we
have
advocated
for
over
20
local
cases
of
police
violence,
investigating
what
happened,
what
resources
and
needs
these
families
and
survivors
have
and
creating
media
to
help
victims
and
survivors
in
the
midst
of
their
traumas,
piece
together
their
narratives.
I
believe
senator
harris
reached
out
to
me
to
speak
on
this
critical
piece
of
legislation
ab236
because
of
the
work
we
have
put
into
understanding
police
violence
in
the
las
vegas
community.
F
Ab236
is
a
critical
piece
of
legislation
for
this
critical
time,
and
it's
been
critical
since
way
before
the
killing
of
george
floyd
ab236
will
help,
hopefully
create
avenues
for
police
accountability,
early
warning
systems.
I
can't
express
to
you
how
important
this
is
and
despite
the
fact
that
metro
already
has
one,
I
would
say
that
that
needs
to
be
revisited.
F
The
purpose
of
implementing
an
early
warning
system
is
to
catch
bias
and
problematic
behaviors
exhibited
by
police
officers
before
the
bias
and
behaviors
result
in
a
more
dire
situation
like
seriously
injuring
a
civilian
or
even
killing
them.
The
reason
why
I
support
this
measure
so
staunchly
is
because
of
the
20
local
cases
we
have
worked
on.
We
have
identified
multiple
cases
where
the
same
officer
was
responsible
for
killing
a
civilian
in
more
than
one
incident.
F
Rafael
olivas
was
killed
on
july
14
2011
after
his
mother
alma
chavez
called
the
crisis
intervention
team
for
help
because
he
was
having
an
emotional
breakdown.
He
was
killed
within
two
three
minutes
upon
metro's
arrival.
Alma
chavez
saw
the
whole
incident
she
was
denied.
Witness
testimony
detained
in
her
house
searched
immediately
after
she
saw
her
son.
F
Take
his
last
breath
on
april
22,
2012
nine
months
later
officer,
christopher
grievous
and
one
of
the
officers
involved
in
the
killing
of
rafael
olivas
was
involved
in
another
shooting
killing
a
black
woman,
a
mother
of
two
teenage
girls,
a
social
worker,
a
special
needs
teacher.
Her
name
was
charmel
edwards
had
grievous
involvement
in
olivis's
death
or
perhaps
previous
problematic
behaviors.
He
exhibited
prompted
a
red
flag
through
this
early
warning
system.
Maybe
sharmel,
edwards
and
rafael
would
be
here
today.
F
F
officer,
john
squio
and
christopher
gowins
are
two
metro
officers
involved
in
that
shooting.
They
were
also
involved
in
the
fatal
shooting
of
brian
keith
day
the
previous
year
in
july
of
2015.,
and
recently
it
has
been
released
that
john
squio
was
the
officer
who
shot
non-lethals
at
jorge
gomez,
a
black
lives
matter,
protester,
who
was
open,
carrying
which
caused
gomez
to
run
for
his
life
only
to
be
shot
19
times
by
four
other
metro
officers
on
june
1st
2020.
F
other
cases
that
have
officers
involved
in
repeat,
fatal
use
of
forced
incidents,
the
killing
of
tanner
chamberlain,
thomas
mchenry
and
pedro
ramirez,
and
these
are
just
you
know,
really
scraping
the
surface
of
the
20
cases
that
we've
looked
at.
Other
sections
of
ab236
also
offer
more
avenues
of
accountability,
including
data
collection
of
traffic,
stops
that
will
be
reported
to
the
department
of
public
safety
and
implementing
studies
on
crises,
response
and
policing.
F
The
racial
and
identity
profiling
act
that
was
passed
in
2015
in
california
has
helped
the
state
identify
significant
racial
bias
for
african
americans
driving
in
california.
It
is
my
hope
that
ab236
can
support
our
efforts
for
transforming
policing
in
nevada,
ultimately
putting
the
safety
of
our
citizens
at
the
forefront
of
policing.
F
Thank
you,
everyone
for
giving
us
the
space
and
time
to
share
our
thoughts.
Thank
you
senator
harris
for
your
amazing
efforts
to
uplift
the
voices
of
those
directly
impacted
by
police
violence
and
inviting
our
survivors
and
victims
to
the
table.
I
truly
hope
your
colleagues
learn
from
your
example.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
so
much
and
and
sure
scheibel.
If
it's
okay
with
you,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
a
cree
at
this
point
to
just
speak
a
little
bit
if
she
could
get
her
camera
on
and
and
unmute
that'd
be.
E
G
G
My
name
is
tina
cree,
I'm
a
war
veteran
with
distinct
honor
and
deployment
in
iraq
and
afghanistan,
and
nothing
in
those
war
zones
really
prepared
me
for
the
body
cam
footage
of
my
uncle
byron
williams,
who
was
murdered
by
metro
police
department
on
september
5th
of
2019..
G
His
death
was
ruled
a
homicide
and
we
do
have
a
civil
case.
That's
going
to
be
pending,
so
he
was
riding
his
bike
to
bicycle
to
the
gas
station
when
he
was
either
racially
or
biasedly
profiled,
which
should
have
been
a
minor
offense
of
not
having
a
light
on
his
bicycle
turned
into
his
death.
G
G
It
was
told
to
us
that
he
said
that
he
could
not
breathe
over
21
times.
Instead,
his
cries
were
unanswered
and
the
officers
viciously
attacked
him
using
vulgar
languages.
A
female
officer
told
him
ain't,
no
one
coming
for
you.
There
was
a
male
officer,
saying
you
know,
get
up
or
we're
gonna
drag
you
and
that's
exactly
what
they
did.
They
drug
him
to
a
different
area.
G
On
one
of
the
body
cameras
it
shows
an
officer
asking:
is
he
breathing
instead
of
an
officer
using
his
hands
or
his
palm,
to
check
his
pulse?
The
officer
used
his
foot
to
check
to
see
if
my
uncle
was
breathing
at
that
time,
all
the
body,
camera
footages
were
were
turned
off
and
it
was
turned
off
for
a
period
of
time.
I'm
not
sure
how
long
it
was
turned
off
once
it
was
turned
on.
The
ambulance
was
on
the
scene
and
cpr
was
being
administered.
G
So
the
hope
of
this
bill
would
be
that
the
data
collections,
the
statistics
and
the
analysis
would
prevent
you
know
any
persons
or
person
of
color
from
being
racially
profiled
and
being
killed,
and
hopefully
those
warning
signs
would
prevent
an
officer
to
do
what
they
did
to
my
uncle
right,
I'm
just
using
foger
languages
and
and
showing
those
type
of
bias
that
we've
seen
on
the
redacted
footage
on
that.
E
No,
the
thing
should
should
come
from
us
to
you.
E
We
really
appreciate
you
being
here
and
and
sharing
your
story,
and
I
want
to
send
out
another
set
of
thanks
to
committee
members
for
paying
attention
and
being
here
and
listening
as
well
and
also
another
set
of
things
to
all
of
the
partners
that
I've
had
in
this
endeavor
to
get
this
bill
to
the
to
the
place
where
it's
at
that
includes
las
vegas,
metro,
washoe,
county
sheriff's
office,
the
nevada
police
union,
napso,
the
aclu
forced
trajectory
battleborn,
all
of
the
groups
who
have
worked
together.
E
So
thank
you
all
so
much
and
cher
scheibel
before
I
turn
it
over
for
questions.
I
would
just
ask
that
members
direct
their
questions
to
me
on
this
bill.
As
my
my
two
guests
here
are:
are
not
the
experts
on
the
legislation?
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
senator
harris
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you,
miss
sun
and
ms
zachary
for
joining
us.
I
really
do
consider
it
our
privilege
to
get
to
hear
your
stories
firsthand,
because
we
know
that
they
are
difficult
to
talk
about,
and
we
know
that
you
choose
to
be
here,
even
after
all
that
you've
been
through,
and
so
I
really
do
take
that
to
heart
and
appreciate
the
additional
sacrifice
to
to
help
us
understand
where
you're
not
just
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
but
what
you've
been
through,
and
so
these
conversations
are
very
important.
A
We
appreciate
you
being
here
and,
like
senator
harris
said,
you
are
well
as
senator
has
alluded
to
you're
welcome
to
stay
on
the
zoom
you're
also
welcome
to
log
off.
If
you
want
to,
while
senator
harris
field,
some
questions
about
the
bill,
and
then
we
will
go
to
testimony
in
support
opposition
and
neutral
with
that,
I
will
go
ahead
and
take
the
first
question
from
a
member
of
the
committee
senator
settlemyre.
H
Sorry
about
that,
madam
chair,
sometimes
people
call
it
the
most
inopportune
times.
Thank
you
both
everyone
for
their
testimony.
Today,
it's
troubling
the
personal
stories
that
have
occurred.
I
don't
know
what
to
say.
H
E
And
senator
cinema,
thank
you
for
your
question
to
you
through
chair
scheible.
Yes,
each
of
the
stories
that
you've
heard
are
are
from
here
in
nevada,.
H
Appreciate
that
that
wasn't
explained,
and
sometimes
as
we
know,
these
committees
with,
we
don't
always
get
that
information,
how
many
counties
are
currently
already
doing
what
you've
discussed?
You
know
you
indicated
that
clark
county
has.
I
know
that
my
counties
I
know
of
at
least
two
or
the
fourth
that
I
represent
currently
have
a
detectional
system
in
place
to
try
to
help
address
issues
that
may
have
occurred
or
to
help
also
officers
deal
with
problems
that
may
be
affecting
them
in.
In
some
respect,.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
senator
settlemeyer.
Unfortunately
I'll
have
to
do
a
little
bit
of
digging
for
you.
I
I
know
that
las
vegas
metro
has
one
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
in
the
state,
but
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
washoe
also
has
an
early
warning
system
in
place,
but
I
will,
I
will
definitely
dig
and
get
back
to
you
on
that.
H
I
appreciate
that
senator
harris,
and
in
that
respect
it
might
be
a
good
thing
to
I'm
sure
that
potentially
there
might
be
out
there,
someone
out
there
from
the
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
that
might
be
able
to
help
you
acquire
set
answer
the
last
one
that
I
really
had
is
if
a
person
is
pulled
over
and
you're,
basically
asking
them
to
kind
of
fill
out
a
form
in
order
to
assess
this
information
to
help
with
determinations
who,
who
will
be
the
person
determining
the
ethnicity?
H
E
Senator
meyer,
that
is
a
great
question.
As
I
was
developing
this,
I
saw
myself
posed
with
two
options:
either
I
force
police
officers
to
ask
people
when
they
stop
when
they're
stopping
them,
or
I
allow
police
officers
to
take
their
best.
Guess,
there's
also
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
in
opportunity.
E
Yeah,
that's
right
there
there.
It
will
also
be
an
opportunity
to
to
click
the
unknown
button,
but
the
way
I
saw
this
is
we
collect
the
data
either
by
asking
people
which
puts
police
officers
in
a
super
uncomfortable
position,
or
we
allow
police
officers
to
give
their
best
guess
or
we
don't
collect
the
data
at
all,
and
I
did
not
see
that
as
a
a
better
alternative.
H
Sadly,
I
know,
as
on
occasion
in
the
past,
I
may
have
gotten
a
few
speeding
tickets
or
things
of
that
nature
and
the
individual
has
to
sign
off
on
that
ticket,
not
that
they're
agreeing
that
they're
guilty
or
innocent,
but
just
sign
off
that
they've
got
said
ticket,
wouldn't
it
be
appropriate
to
let
them
decide
at
that
point
in
time
whether
or
not
they
chose
to
click
off
that
particular
area
on.
Maybe
that's
an
easier
way
to
do
it.
E
Senator
meyer,
I,
if,
if
you've,
got
a
better
option
out
there,
I
am
more
than
happy
to
take
a
look
at
it.
I
know
that
the
the
state
of
oregon
has
done
this
data
collection.
The
state
of
california
has
done
this
data
collection,
and
so
I've
committed
to
law
enforcement
agencies
here
in
the
state
to
connect
them
with
partners
in
those
states
to
develop
the
best
practices
for
how
we
can.
We
can
get
this
done.
H
H
Okay,
well,
that's
interesting.
I
was
just
thinking.
Maybe,
since
we
make
people
sign
the
form
you
know
when
they
get
a
offense,
they
could
also
sign
whether
they
decline
to
give
us
that
information
or
whether
they
choose
to.
I
don't
know
just
a
thought.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
ask
those
questions
and
thank
you
for
the
stories
today.
I
Thanks
jerry
shivell,
it's
hard
to
know
where
to
start
the
whole
concept
of
bias.
One
thing:
I've
noticed
consistently
throughout
law
enforcement,
there's
an
absolute
strong
bias
and
it's
a
gender
bias.
I
mean
we
have
overwhelmingly
pulled
over
males
young
males,
especially
of
all
races,
and
we
look
at
our
state
prisons
disproportionately
male.
Yet
our
populations
are
half
female
and
half
half
male.
I
E
To
you
sandra
hansen,
through
chair
scheible,
you
can
go
direct.
Thank
you
happy
to
detect
any
bias
in
the
system
and
address
it
in
any
way
possible.
I
Well,
what
my
point
is
is
the
reason
there's
a
bias
is
because
males
commit
most
of
the
crimes
and
they're
disproportionately
young
males
and
when
I'm
driving
down
the
road-
and
I
get
some
hot
rods,
speeding
by
me
every
time
I
it's
almost
never
a
55
year
old,
black
or
white
guy.
It's
almost
always
some
young
kid
and
it's
very
almost
never
a
girl.
I
So
when
cops
are
pulling
people
over
and
we're
seeing
a
disproportionality
among
races
and
and
in
gender,
did
anyone
ever
consider
that
it
might
be
the
fact
that
those
people
are
the
ones
that
are
committing
a
disproportionate
share
of
the
crimes.
E
And
senator
hansen,
thank
you
for
the
question
because
yes,
we've
considered
it,
and
I
do
not
believe
there
is
any
evidence
that
african
americans
are
more
likely
to
speed
in
the
same
manner
that
there
is
evidence
that
males
are
more
likely
to
speed.
Hence
the
higher
insurance
rate
for
males
the
statistical
numbers
simply
are
not
there,
especially
in
the
disparities
that
we
see
and
to
to
imply
that
six
percent
of
african-american
males
but
13
percent
of
or
15
of
traffic
stops
is
because
they
speed
a
bit
more
clearly
misses
the
mark.
E
I
Perhaps,
but
I
would
also
point
out
that
when
we
look
at
all
the
stats
of
nevada,
there's
almost
a
complete
absence
of
asians,
in
fact
asia
white
whites
are
disproportionately
singled
out
apparently
by
these
biased
cops
where
for
some
reason,
even
though
they're
racist
cops
apparently
and
looking
for
people
of
color,
they
somehow
overlook
the
asians.
If
you
look
at
the
statistics,
it's
pretty
clear
that
white
people
get
disproportionately
pulled
over
on
a
percentage
basis
compared
to
asians.
Are
we
going
to
suggest
that
the
cops
are
more
biased
in
favor
of
asians
than
in
whites.
E
Senator
hansen,
it
is
not
my
intention
to
suggest
anything,
we're
going
to
collect
the
data
and
let
the
statistical
analysis
bear
out
what
it
may,
and
so
you
know
I
I
intend
to
look
to
look
at
all
of
these
things
and
actually,
when
I
say
I
I
don't
mean
I
I
mean
someone
much
smarter
than
me,
who
will
be
able
to
take
into
account
all
of
the
relevant
factors,
including
increase
in
in
in
people
in
the
city
on
a
given
air
on
a
given
day
time
of
day,
all
of
the
other
multiple
factors
that
can
come
in
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
statistically
say
with
a
99
confidence
interval
with
a
p
p-value
less
than
0.05.
I
I
When
I
came
in
as
a
freshman
was
a
hot
topic,
I'm
I'm
intrigued
by
the
fact
that
you
kind
of
said
that
metro
is
doing
the
right
job
currently
and
they
this
won't
even
impact
them.
Yet
the
20
cases
that
miss
nisa
zhang
mentioned
were
all
involving
metro
and
I'd
also
like
to
ask
chair,
shibal
and
vice
chair
canizarro.
I
You
guys
represent
the
district
attorney
of
clark
county.
If
there
is
a
bias
going
on
in
clark
county
with
the
police,
are
you
guys
aggressively
prosecuting
the
cops
that
are
the
bad
guys?
Here
I
mean
I'm
kind
of
we.
We've
got
two
different
sides
here
we
have.
We
have
the
district
attorney
who's,
the
one
one
of
the
checks
and
balances
in
the
whole
system.
Yeah
we
have
people
suggesting
that
you
had
at
least
20
cases
of
police
violence
were
those
cops
that
committed
the
police
violence
aggressively
prosecuted
by
the
existing
district
attorney.
E
Okay,
I
imagine
so
listen.
We
all
have
bias
bias
is
not
a
crime.
However,
when
you
are
a
police
officer,
it
can
manifest
in
some
different
levels
of
harm
to
folks
right
then,
then
it
might
manifest
itself
if
you're
a
loan
officer-
let's
say,
okay,
so
I'm
not
looking
to
criminalize
police
officers
who
display
some
bias,
I'm
looking
to
cure
it,
I'm
looking
to
offer
them
some
kind
of
awareness
about
their
bias,
additional
supervision.
E
You
know
maybe
additional
training
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
to
try
our
best
to
address
that
issue,
and
when
I
mentioned
metro,
what
I
mentioned
metro
has
is
a
early
warning
system.
They've
already
got
one
in
place
and
I'm
trying
to
make
it
clear:
it's
not
my
intention
that
they
create
a
brand
new
early
warning
system.
You
know,
no,
none
of
us
are
doing
our
jobs
perfectly,
and
so
that
was
not
not
my.
My
intention
in
that
statement
at
all
chair,
scheible.
I
A
All
right
and
thank
you
senator
harris
for
for
your
answer
since
senator
hansen
did
address
a
question
to
myself
and
the
vice
chair.
A
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
during
this
hearing
because
it
isn't
under
harris's
bill,
but
I
would
like
to
remind
everybody
that,
while
I
work
for
the
district
attorney's
office
of
clark
county
when
I
am
in
clark
county,
I
do
not
represent
the
county
district
attorney's
office.
I
take
an
unpaid
leave
to
be
here
chairing
the
judiciary
committee
and,
while
my
experience
there
informed
some
of
my
knowledge
in
criminal
law,
I
in
no
way
represent
the
da's
office.
D
Thank
you,
chair
shibal,
and
thank
you
senator
harris.
I
certainly
appreciate
the
impulse
to
bring
this
bill.
It's
been
in
the
news
and
and
in
the
discussions
in
this
building
since
I've
been
here,
I
I
want
to
look
at
the
bill
itself
and
the
language
of
the
bill,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
first
it
when
we
say
bias
and
I'm
talking
in
the
context
of
this
bill.
D
E
Well,
senator
pickard
I'll
I'll,
be
honest.
If
the.
If
the
early
warning
system
detects
an
officer,
has
a
bias
against
people
with
dark
hair,
I
don't
want
people
with
dark
hair
to
be
disproportionately
affected
by
police
violence
either.
I
I
think
what
we
might
actually
end
up,
seeing
because
there's
very
little
evidence
that
that
type
of
bias
actually
manifests
itself
in
any
meaningful
way
is
we'll
likely
see
racial
bias
indicators
kind
of
coming
forward.
E
Well,
you
know
senator
pickard,
I
have
I've
put
into
the
bill
that
the
police
departments
are
are
going
to
be
kind
of
the
experts
on
detecting
what
these
bias
indicators
would
be
and
what
type
of
corrective
actions
might
need
to
be
put
into
place.
D
Okay,
well,
I
appreciate
that
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
direction
we're
giving
to
law
enforcement
in
the
state
through
this
language,
so
I've
been
speaking
of,
I
suppose,
race-based
decision-making
or
biases
or
any
other.
It
is
the
consistent
use
of
that
type
of
of
decision-making
indicate
a
bias
that
needs
a
curative
measure
to
be
applied.
Is
that
what
I
understood
you
to
say.
E
Senator
dallas
harris
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question
sandra
pickard.
E
What
I
mean
to
say
is
that
we
want
to
flag
people
who
may
be
displaying
bias
and
yes
put
some
interventions
in
place
before
that.
Bias
manifests
itself
in
in
some
type
of
catastrophe,
for
both
the
officer
and
for
the
for
the
people
and
families
involved.
D
Yeah
and
I
appreciate
your
recognition
that
it
does
affect
both
sides,
so
I'm
looking
at
in
section
one,
I'm
looking
at
the
language
and
have
we
defined,
I
didn't
see
anywhere
where
we've
defined
a
large
number,
because
you
refer
in
each
of
these
to
a
large
number
of
something
and
we
haven't
defined.
That
is
that
going
to
be
up
to
metro,
to
define
what
is
large
within
their
context.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
pickard
senator
dallas
harris
for
the
record.
Yes
to
to
be
honest,
a
large
number
may
change
depending
upon
the
type
of
assignment
you're
on
or
you
know,
the
beat
that
you
walk,
and
so
yes,
this
is
and
again
note
that
it
says,
for
example,
and
so
these
are
some
of
the
key
things
that
that
I
think
law
enforcement
agencies
should
be
looking
at.
E
D
Beat
sure,
and-
and
I
I
guess
where
I'm
coming
from-
is
that
we're
leaving
to
them
a
system
that
you're
claiming
is
broken,
we're
leaving
to
them
the
ability
to
define
what
the
parameters
of
measurement
are
within
their
system,
so
we're
not
giving
them
guidance
as
to
what
is
a
large
number
or
frankly,
how
any
of
these
things
indicate
a
bias.
You
know
you
may
have.
A
number
of
car
crashes,
for
example,
that
have
to
do
with
their
vision
has
nothing
to
do
with
bias.
D
You
know
large
number
of
arrests
that
they've
made
with
no
charges
being
filed
when
they
have
no
control
over
those
charges
being
filed.
That's
up
to
the
district
attorney's
office
to
do.
In
fact,
I
know
in
at
least
one
of
the
stories
that
we
heard
as
tragic
as
it
is
the
district
attorney
mr
wilson
found
that
I
think,
if
I
recall
correctly,
the
words
were
the
officers
had
no
choice,
and
so
you
know
I
don't
see
how
that
necessarily
points
to
bias
and
I'm
not
arguing
that
they
shouldn't
do
it.
D
I'm
just
saying
that
if,
if
we're
going
to
take
this
on,
we
need
to
give
direction
and
if
we
don't
give
direction,
I
don't
see
how
they
change,
what
they're
currently
doing,
because
we're
not
telling
them
how
to
change
so
that
that's
a
thought.
I
guess
it
really
boils
down
to
the
question:
can
we
actually
cure
bias.
D
Can
you
legislate
against
human
nature?
That's
I
mean
we,
you
said
everyone's
biased,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
give
these
guys
direction
in
a
meaningful
way,
because
I
agree
we
need
to
do
that,
but
we
we
should
do
it
in
a
way
that
gives
them
the
direction
they
need
to
take
the
steps
and
not
just
be
beating
on
them.
E
And
and
senator
pickard
I,
this
dallas
hair
is
for
the
record.
Let
me
just
first
say
this:
is
not
a
bill
to
beat
on
anyone.
Okay,
again
being
identified
by
the
system,
simply
means
you
may
be
displaying
some
bias
and
we're
going
to
get
you
some
additional
training.
E
E
Maybe
police
work
is
not
for
you
right,
and
so
I
I
don't
anticipate
that
that
happening
very
often,
but
the
goal
here
is
not
a
punitive
measure
at
all,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
crashes
and
it's
because
you're
blind,
I'm
very
much
sure
that
that
is
not
going
to
be
the
one
thing
that
is
going
to
get
you
some
additional
supervision
and
or
training
right.
These
are
meant
to
be
multiple
factors
that
consider
together
can
throw
up
a
small,
a
red
flag.
That
would
suggest
this
officer
needs
a
little
bit
of
help.
E
This
officer
needs
might
have
some
bias
that
they
that
they
need
to
address
and
we
want
to
get
them
that
help.
You
know
senator
pickard,
we've
time
and
time
again
required
police
officers
to
be
entrained
on
cultural
competency
and
on
diversity
and
how
to
manage
people
with
mental
illness,
and
you
know
we
we've
tried
all
of
that.
So,
let's
give
this
a
shot
right.
Let's
make
sure
that
we
have
police
departments
having
a
system
in
place
that
can
just
simply
raise
a
flag
on
officers
who
may
need
a
little
bit
of
additional
help.
That's
all!
D
Well,
I
appreciate
that.
I
just
think
that
I'll
probably
disagree
with
you
to
the
extent
that
I
think
that,
on
a
poll,
law
enforcement
does
a
remarkable
work
with
the
limitations
and
and
the
scrutiny
that
they're
given
and
that
extends
to
the
district
attorney's
office
too.
I
know
church
ival
and
vice
chair
canazaro
work
hard
to
protect
the
citizens
of
the
state,
and
I
I
think
that
I
I'm
going
to
disagree
that
bringing
this
kind
of
attention
phrased
the
way
it
is
and
presented.
D
The
way
it
is
is
suggesting
that
law
enforcement
isn't
doing
a
good
job
or
isn't
doing
an
adequate
job,
but
I
guess
my
last
question
has
to
do
with.
Why
are
we
limited
I'm
looking
at
section
18.?
Well,
it
starts
with
17.
You
go
through
the
the
the
collecting
and
reporting
of
the
information
in
18.
It's
to
the
extent
that
money
is
available.
D
The
department
may
contract
with
a
third
party,
to
review
the
public
information.
If
the
premise,
which
is
what
I've
heard
you
say
that
all
these
things
we've
tried
doesn't
hasn't
worked.
D
Why
wouldn't
we
require
an
independent
in
you
know,
review
of
this
data
to
see
what
law
enforcement
isn't
seeing
or
what
you
think
that
they
need
to
do
differently.
I
mean
it's
like
me
when
I
do
an
appellate
brief.
I
have
two
or
three
other
attorneys
look
at
it,
because
they
will
see
what
I
haven't
seen
and
yet
there's
no
requirement
except
as
money's
available,
although
with
the
biden
bucks
that
have
come
to
the
state
over
the
past
year,
you
know,
we've
we've
got
more
money
than
we've
ever
had
in
a
two-year
period.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
senator
picker.
This
is
senator
dallas
harris
for
the
record.
I
don't
disagree
with
you
that
we
need
to
have
this
review
done
and
it
is
very
much
my
intention
to
get
this
review
done.
I
am
in
discussions
currently
with
a
couple
of
folks
who
I
think
would
be
great
for
this
statistical
analysis.
D
All
right-
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
I
know
I
senator
I
know
your
heart's
in
the
right
place-
you're
trying
to
make
things
better.
I
don't
question
that
at
all
you
and
I
may
disagree
on
the
method
that
we
do
it.
You
know
I
I'm
concerned
about
making
sure
they
get
the
kind
of
guidance
that
they
need
to
accomplish
this.
D
I
think
you
know
when
we
talk
about
large
number
of
citizen
complaints,
what,
if
they're
all
caucasian
against
a
caucasian
officer-
that's
clearly
not
biased,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
really
look
hard
at
the
language
and
you
know
give
them
the
guidance
they
need.
Otherwise,
this
may
be
another
exercise
in
futility
like
all
the
others,
you
listed
and
thought
that
they
were,
they
didn't
work
so
anyway.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
questions.
E
And
chair
scheible,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
I
could
just
do
one
quick
follow-up,
senator
dallas
harris
for
the
record,
it
was
not
my
intention
to
suggest
that
these
trainings
have
not
worked.
It's
it's
simply
to
suggest.
We
already
have
the
requirements
put
into
place
that
right,
so
we've
tried
that
and
again
I
intend
to.
I
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
have
officers
who
are
flagged
go
back
through
those
trainings.
E
If,
if
that
is
found
to
be
the
best
kind
of
intervention
right,
maybe
they
simply
need
a
a
refresher
of
some
sort,
but
you
know
I
I
could
not,
in
good
faith,
bring
forward
a
bill
that
would
require
officers
to
go
through
more
training
in
this.
In
this
vein,
where
we've
clearly
taken
steps
to
do
that
already.
A
It
looks
like
my
son
wants
to
weigh
in
as
well.
Please
go
ahead.
F
Thank
you
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
respond.
I
wanted
to
respond
to
senator
hansen
and
also
senator
pickard,
picard
and.
F
Nisa,
sun
n-I-s-s-a-t-z-u-n,
I
recall
hearing
senator
hansen
on
a
call
about
the
domestic
violence
bill
asking
about
you
know
what
are
the
statistics
you
know
in
regards
to
different
communities,
and
this
is
really
just
no
different.
It's
really
a
piece
of
legislation.
That's
asking
to
aggregate
more
statistics,
I'm
not
clear
on
all
of
the
demographics
that
are
in
the
current
legislation,
but
you
know
just
if,
if
white
folks
are
being
pulled
over
by
white
cops,
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
there
isn't
bias.
F
There's
also,
you
know
biases
within
you
know
racial
groups,
so
you
know
it
could
be
classist.
It
could
be
what
kind
of
car
you're
driving
it
could
be,
how
you're
dressed
what
your
hairstyle
is
right.
F
So
we
know,
and
we've
seen
in
the
work
that
we
do-
that
there
is
significant
bias
for
houseless
people
in
our
city,
in
las
vegas
by
police
officers
being
harassed
because-
and
there
have
been
legislation
passed
that
is
discriminatory
towards
houseless
people
so
and
and
then,
of
course,
there's
folks
that
suffer
from
mental
illness
who
are
exhibiting
strange
and
odd
behaviors
and
I
think
the
more
statistics
we
aggregate
the
more
data
we
aggregate,
the
more
we
can
learn
and
analyze
how
to
improve
policing
in
in
nevada.
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
in
there
and
yes,
all
the
cases
that
I
mentioned
are
local
cases
impacted
by
las
vegas
metro
police
department.
I
do
encourage
everyone
to
research,
local
cases
in
in
las
vegas
and
in
nevada
to
learn
more
about
policing
and
how
it
looks
in
nevada,
rather
than
looking
at
national
cases
that
didn't
happen
here.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
questions
as
well
senator
harris.
The
first
is
that
I'm
looking
at
the
amendment,
that's
posted
on
nellis.
That's
what
we're
working
from
right.
Okay,
you're
nodding
your
head.
So
for
the
record,
she's
answering
it
in
the
affirmative,
and
it
looks
to
me
like
in
section
14.
There
is
a
definition
of
profiling.
A
That
starts
on
page
eight,
which
identifies
some
of
the
categories
of
bias
that
we
would
be
looking
at
like
age,
race,
ethnicity,
sexual
orientation,
religion,
homelessness,
disability,
and
I
wanted
to
confirm
that,
while
that
applies
specifically
to
one
particular
section
of
the
bill,
which
is
section
18,
where
we
get
the
outside
consultant
to
review
the
the
possible
profiling,
is
it
fair
to
take
from
that
list
a
kind
of
general
understanding
of
the
kinds
of
bias
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
in
in
this
process?.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
tereshable
senator
dallas
here
for
the
record.
I
would.
I
would
suggest
yes,
that
you
know
this
is
a
great
a
great
list
and
for
senator
hansen's
edification.
You
will
also
see
political
affiliation
is
on
that
list.
A
Thank
you
and
the
the
second
question
that
I
have
is
more
of
a
comment,
but
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
that
the
early
warning
system
had
it
is,
has
statistically
been
proven
to
be
effective,
and
I
can
imagine,
in
fact
I
don't
have
to
imagine
being
a
member
of
law
enforcement
and
and
struggling
with
this,
and
so
I'm
going
to
speak
personally
just
for
a
minute
that
you
know
my
bias
has
been
recognized
in
the
past
and
I
have
been
accused
of
pretty
much
racism.
A
I've
been
accused
on
twitter,
I've
been
accused
in
a
court
of
law,
I've
been
accused
on
facebook,
I've
been
accused
in
person
and
it
is
a
jarring
and
unpleasant
experience
which
I
know
does
not
compare
to
the
actual
oppression
that
people
of
color
and
people
with
disabilities
and
other
communities
face.
The
reason
that
I
bring
it
up
is
that
those
experiences
I
completely
understand
why
law
enforcement
officers
struggle
to
respond
in
a
way
that
is
productive
because
it's
emotional,
I'm.
You
know
I'm
shaking
right
now
talking
about
it
because
I'm
ashamed.
A
But
what
I
see
in
this
bill
is
that
you,
senate
bill,
236
literally
takes
the
lightest
touch
possible
you're,
not
calling
people
out
on
twitter
you're,
not
putting
them
on
the
record
in
a
court
of
law,
you're,
not
posting
a
list
in
their
front
lobby.
You
are
privately
talking
to
one
officer
with
actual
data
to
say:
hey.
A
This
same
thing
happened
eight
times,
and
you
might
not
know
this,
but
that's
not
normal,
and
I
just
I
can't
think
of
a
lighter
touch
for
an
officer
than
that
one-on-one
conversation
that
is
based
on
private
personalized
information
in
order
to
make
a
change-
and
I
want
to
know
if
that
is
the
point
of
this
legislation
and
the
purpose
of
the
early
warning
system
and
and
just
to
confirm
what
I
think
you've
already
said,
but
bears
repeating
that
this
is
not
intended
to
be
punitive.
A
A
Maybe
you
are
not
good
at
communicating
with
people
who
have
you
know
certain
disabilities
or
something
like
that,
and
then
you
know
you
can
be
connected
with
the
right
resource
to
address
the
specific
issue
that
that
officer
is
facing
without
any
kind
of
penalty,
without
trying
to
shame
them
without
trying
to
embarrass
them,
but
just
trying
to
help
them
be
better
at
their
jobs.
A
A
Like
I
said,
we
have
to
finish
at
3
p.m,
so
I
am
going
to
allow
a
half
hour
of
testimony
in
support
and
then
a
half
hour
of
testimony
in
acquisition
if
there
is
a
full
half
hour's
worth
and
then
the
same
in
neutral
and
I'll,
keep
monitoring
the
clock
and
let
you
know
if
any
of
that
changes,
but
hopefully
that
will
get
us
out
of
here
by
three
or
shortly
thereafter.
So,
mr
kyle,
if
you
would
please
start
allowing
the
people
in
support
of
sb
236
to
queue
up.
J
J
J
B
Hello
members
of
the
committee,
my
name,
is
yestenia
moya.
That
is
y-e-s-e-n-I-a-m-o-y-a.
B
I
am
an
organizer
with
maceration
a
project,
but
I
am
also
a
an
impacted
person,
as
somebody
who
lives
in
one
of
the
in
who
has
lived
in
a
few
of
the
zip
codes
where
police
officers
are
constantly
filling
up.
Their
quotas
with
racialized
traffic
stops
and,
as
somebody
who's
been
part
of
that
system
who
consistently
gets
tickets
and
gets
pulled
over
and
gets
treated
the
same
way
each
time
and
a
pers
as
well
as
a
witness
to
many.
Many
traffic
stops
by
many
different
friends.
B
We
need
this
data
officers
need
to
know
how
they
their
they
themselves
impact
the
communities
that
they're
in.
If
they're,
going
to
be
doing
this
work
and
policing,
they
need
to
understand
the
history
and
what
they
themselves
are
doing,
because
at
this
point
they
fall
into
anonymity
and
there's
no
accountability.
And
there
is
no
place
for
us
to
go
when
and
by
say
us.
I
mean
the
public
to
go
when
you're
being
harassed
and
or
mistreated
by
law
enforcement.
B
So
I
urge
you
to
please
have
sb
236.
It
is
imperative
to
communities
that
have
been
marginalized
and
minoritized
here
in
this
state
and
we
need
to
do
better
because
enough
is
enough.
J
J
K
Thank
you
for
the
record.
My
name
is
reverend
michael
willoughby,
m-I-c-h-a.
K
K
However,
my
father
was
a
deeply
imperfect
man
like
everyone
else
doing
any
job.
He
was
a
regular
person.
The
only
difference
is
that
he
was
empowered
to
change
or
end
lives
every
single
day,
my
dad
was
fortunate.
He
started
his
career
in
the
post,
serpico
era
and
I
believe
he
benefited
greatly
from
the
attention
paid
to
ethics,
because
of
that
this
bill
is
a
step.
K
K
J
J
L
I'm
here
today
to
support
sb
236,
my
great
thanks
to
senator
harris
and
her
staff
for
their
tireless
work
to
meet
with
stakeholders
and
conform,
their
interests
into
what
has
become
a
very
workable
bill.
This
bill
requires
law
enforcement
agencies
to
establish
early
warning
systems
and
to
be
guided,
guided
by
selected
elements
during
this
bill.
L
That's
not
unreasonable
and
it
will
require
further
dialogue
with
the
law
enforcement
agencies
to
develop
those
policies.
You
know,
dialogue
is
not
a
bad
thing.
We
need
more
of
it.
Quite
frankly,
statistical
analysis
is
not
a
bad
thing.
Obviously,
it's
all
how
all
in
how
you
use
the
data.
We
understand
that,
but
for
the
foregoing
reasons
we
do
support
sb236
and
we
encourage
this
committee
to
do
the
same.
Thank
you.
J
J
M
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
ronald
naharo,
that's
r-o-n-a-l-d,
last
name
n-a-j-a-r-r-o
and
I'm
the
state
director
for
americans
for
prosperity,
chair
scheibel
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
here
today
on
in
support
of
sb
236,
which
establishes
early
warning
systems
and
a
system
for
the
recording
collection
and
review
of
information
concerning
traffic
stops
and
other
stocks
made
by
law
enforcement
officers.
We
believe
this
bill
prioritizes
transparency
and
accountability
in
a
way
that
is
critical
to
improving
community
trust.
M
Police
pull
over
more
than
50
000
drivers
on
a
typical
day,
more
than
20
million
motorists
every
year.
This
is
the
most
common
police
interaction
and
developing
a
way
to
track
it
in
nevada
will
provide
crucial
data
for
future
reforms.
On
behalf
of
our
over
96
000
activists
across
the
great
state
of
nevada,
we
urge
you
to
support
sbt-36.
J
J
J
C
Hello,
my
name
is
lena
radney
l-y-n-n-a-r-a-d-n-e-y.
My
brother
is
thomas
mchenry.
He
was
murdered
by
lvmpg
within
one
month,
one
minute
upon
arrival,
kyle
pryor,
the
same
officer
who
murdered
my
brother
murdered
another
civilian
pedro
ramirez
a
year
and
a
half
later
he
used
the
same
excuse
both
times
stating
his
taser
fell
to
work.
These
are
real
facts
and
real
cases
that
have
could
have
possibly
been
avoided.
If
there
was
a
system
in
place,
a
system
needs
to
be
in
place
to
determine
these
unconscious
biases
in
the
1920s,
the
naacp
started.
C
Recording
traffic
traffic
stops
for
black
people.
They
presented
this
information
to
the
federal
government
and
noted
how
black
people
were
more
likely
to
be
harassed
by
the
police,
their
charges
with
what
they
were
charged
for
was
like
bs
and
all
this
stuff.
Here
we
are
101
years
later,
still
asking
for
the
same
system
to
be
in
place.
It
is
not
our
responsibility
as
civilians
to
keep
account
of
the
biases
that
officers
have.
It
is
the
duty
of
the
the
county
it
is.
C
The
state's
duty
is
your
guy's
duty
is
the
duty
of
lvmpd
to
account
for
their
biases.
There
needs
to
be
a
system
in
place
legally
to
account
for
these
biases.
It
is
not
the
public's
responsibility
to
go
on
google
and
fact
check
everything
and
fact
check
things
for
you
guys.
You
guys
need
to
take
accountability
and
offer
transparency
to
us
for
once.
That
is
my
support
for
this
bill.
J
M
M
We
support
fb
236
and
the
much
needed
data
it
will
provide
being
critical
of
government
agencies
such
as
law
enforcement
agencies
and
how
their
employees
do
their
job
and
serve.
The
public
is
healthy
for
society.
Government
employees
conducting
their
job
in
a
racially
biased
manner
is
not
these.
Two
things
are
not
the
same.
We
often
hear
of
bad
apples
and
policing
and
that
no
one
hates
a
bad
cop
as
much
as
a
good
cop.
An
early
warning
system
to
identify
bad
actors
in
law
enforcement
should
be
welcomed
by
all.
M
This
type
of
system
will
not
only
help
to
protect
the
community,
but
allow
law
enforcement
agencies
to
more
effectively
manage
their
departments.
Our
support
of
this
section
is
by
no
means
intended
to
indicate
that
we
trust
police
departments
to
robustly
police
themselves
law
enforcement
is
notoriously
bad
at
holding
its
own
accountable
and
disciplining
deserving
officers
appropriately.
M
The
implementation
of
this
sections
section
will
need
to
be
closely
monitored
and
law
enforcement
agencies
who
fairly
utilize
this
new
tool
effectively
must
be
held
accountable.
We
welcome
the
collection
and
the
dissemination
of
traffic
stop
data.
This
bill
requires.
We
know
that
the
protection
that
pre-textual
stops
occur
in
the
state
and
that
drivers
of
color
are
far
more
likely
to
be
stopped
in
their
white
counterparts.
M
Because
of
this,
it
is
very
easy
for
the
police
to
target
a
specific
driver
following
them
until
they
make
even
the
slightest
mistake
and
then
pulling
them
over.
This
data
will
help
us
identify
over
police
over
police
communities
and
racial
bias
in
the
system.
This
data
is
critical
to
crafting
effective
reforms
in
the
future.
We
also
support
the
study
and
believe
that
crisis
response
call
centers
would
be
come
important
parts
of
the
public
safety
apparatus
in
the
future.
J
J
N
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
this
is
john
piero,
j-o-h-n-p-I-r-o,
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
clark
county,
public
defender's
office
and
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office
in
support
of
this
bill.
We'd
like
to
thank
senator
harris
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
we're
grateful
for
the
measures
that
are
being
taken
to
examine
bias
and
trying
to
root
it
out.
What
stays
in
the
dark
cannot
be
dealt
with.
It
must
be
brought
to
the
light
and
that's
what
needs
to
happen.
We
fully
agree
with
rick
mccann
when
he
says.
N
J
A
J
Looks
like
we
had
one
late
arrival,
churchill.
I
will
prompt
them
now.
A
J
J
O
If
that
statement
makes
you
uncomfortable,
you
should
one
take
a
look
at
an
objective,
look
at
u.s
history,
especially
the
history
of
legislation
in
this
country,
as
well
as
in
the
state,
and
secondly,
please
investigate
your
own
bias.
If
that
makes
you
feel
uncomfortable,
then
there's
bias
there
there's
nothing
radical
nor
unreasonable
in
this
bill.
This
is
the
actually
the
bare
minimum
data
collection
and
transparency.
O
Maybe
their
lives
could
have
been
saved
if
we
would
have
paused
and
looked
at
problematic
patterns.
Every
law
enforcement
agency
should
be
in
support
of
this
bill.
If
law
enforcement
has
nothing
to
hide,
nothing
can
change.
As
is
often
depicted
in
these
hearings,
then
they
should
be
open
to
prove
it
to
the
community
to
build
trust
further.
If
you
want
to
build
trust
with
the
community,
then
you
have
to
meet
the
demands
of
that
community.
That
doesn't
trust
you
what's
done
in
the
dark
needs
to
come
to
light.
O
It's
been
said
before,
and
I
continuously
hear
this
kind
of
notion
that
we're
here
to
build
bridges
with
the
community
and
we
want
to
build
trust
between
the
community
and
law
enforcement
building,
trust
means,
transparency
and
addressing
patterns
that
have
existed
in
this
country
for
decades.
Thank
you.
J
J
C
I
am
a
lieutenant
with
the
nevada
department
of
corrections,
employee
development
division,
as
our
agency
is
in
support
of
the
specific
bill.
We
have
identified
several
bills
requiring
additional
training
for
our
staff.
We
are
requesting
the
opportunity
to
prepare
a
quality,
comprehensive
training
program
and
or
modules
that
will
incorporate
all
the
bills
that
will
encompass
all
topics
and
subjects
as
they
relate
to
the
social
justice
reform.
C
This
will
enable
us
to
ensure
meaningful
and
adequate
training
and
request
necessary
resources
to
facilitate
both
initial
and
continuous
training,
so
that
we
can
adhere
to
this
and
all
the
bills
for
this
session.
With
that
being
said,
we
do
have
some
preliminary
projections
for
blocks
of
training
related
to
any
specific
subject
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
us.
Thank
you
very
much,
honorable
committee.
A
P
Members
of
the
committee,
this
is
chuck
callaway
c-a-l-l-a-w-a-y,
representing
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department,
we're
here
in
in
opposition
to
sb
236.
As
written.
We
have
had
dialogue
with
senator
harris
and,
as
always,
I
appreciate
her
willingness
to
reach
out
and
engage
us
in
dialogue,
and
hopefully,
with
the
pending
amendments.
P
I
also
agree
with
the
comments
that
were
made
that
it's
not
appropriate
for
officers
to
be
asking
motorists
their
data,
but
it's
also
not
appropriate
to
be
guessing
data,
and-
and
I
would
recommend
that
data
be
collected
through
traffic
citations
that
are
currently
issued
and
sent
to
the
state.
That's
one
mechanism
where
that
data
could
be
collected.
P
In
fact,
our
moore
team
got
over
700
people
off
the
streets
since
they've
been
out
operating
and
we
have
a
very
robust
program
where
we
go
out
and
assist
the
homeless
with
getting
them
off
the
street.
So
we
are
for
data
collection.
We
are
for
an
early
warning
system,
but
we
want
to
ensure
that
data
is
being
collected
and
analyzed
in
the
proper
format.
Thank
you.
J
N
Good
afternoon,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
eric
spratley
e-r-I-c-s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
here
in
opposition
to
senate
bill
236,
even
with
the
amendment,
and
certainly
appreciate,
senator
harris
working
with
all
the
stakeholders
in
such
a
thoughtful
and
considerate
manner.
The
majority
of
the
concerns
for
nevada
law
enforcement
leadership
have
been
addressed
with
the
amendment
and
we
appreciate
that
immensely.
N
N
So
if
a
police
officer
stops
a
person
walking
down
the
sidewalk
to
hand
him
back
his
wallet
that
fell
out
of
his
pocket,
that
officer
would
then
be
required
to
further
delay
that
person
and
the
officer
while
he
gathers
the
information
for
this
data
collection,
and
this
would
fall
under
quote
or
any
other
purpose
for
the
current
language
of
section
13..
Similarly,
if
an
officer
stops
a
vehicle
to
inform
the
lady
that
her
coffee
cup
is
on
the
roof
of
her
car,
that
officer
would
then
be
required
to
further
delay
that
person
and
the
officer.
N
N
Similarly,
in
section
1,
this
bill
applies
to
each
law
enforcement
agency
per
nrs
289010,
which
was
broadened
by
sb
242
in
the
80th
session,
and
that
folks
is
a
lot
of
agencies
that
need
to
establish
an
early
warning
system
and
while
that
might
be
the
intent
of
the
bill,
it
will
apply
to
agencies
per
section
12,
which
are
numerous.
Certainly
in
289
150.
You've
got
sheriffs
and
their
deputies,
who
we
think
this
should
apply
to,
but
then
you've
got
tribal
officers.
N
Persons
appointed
by
the
supreme
court
security
officers
appointed
by
local
governments
under
certain
circumstances,
special
investigators
of
the
attorney
general's
office,
criminal
investigators,
the
secretary
of
state,
p,
p
officers,
school
police
officers,
officers
employed
facilities,
detention
for
children,
legislative
police,
department
of
corrections,
california
corrections
officers,
all
of
these
other
things
in
289.
That
would
affect
these
agencies.
We
don't
think
that
is
the
intent
of
the
bill,
but
we
tried
to
correct
it
in
section
9,
8
30
second
special
session,
and
this
broad
language
really
affects
a
lot
of
people
negatively.
N
J
N
John
abell
j-o-h-n-a-b-e-l,
I'm
with
the
las
vegas
police
department
association.
This
is
the
second
major
bill
involving
law
enforcement
where
senator
dallas
harris
has
not
reached
out
to
the
single
largest
police
union
in
the
state,
the
lbpa
or
the
largest
group
of
law
enforcement
unions,
the
public
safety
alliance
in
nevada.
We
have
two
objections
to
this
bill.
The
outline
states
to
recognize
quote
unquote
bias.
Yet
several
of
the
factors
listed
in
the
bill
has
nothing
to
do
with
any
implicit
bias
such
as
accidents
or
when
an
officer
calls
in
sick.
N
If
we
had
had
some
conversations
with
senator
harris,
she
could
let
us
know
how
this
doesn't
add
to
work
for
the
officers.
We
would
not
be
opposed
to
this
this
portion
of
the
bill
if
it
could
show
how
officers
have
no
newly
added
paperwork
or
documentation
for
an
officer
dallas
harris
senator
excuse
me
again
make
references
to
the
disappropriate
amount
of
stops
on
black
males.
Yet
a
very
large
portion
of
car
stops
are
observed
from
behind
a
vehicle
registration,
information
or
vehicle
law
violations
which
typically
do
not
afford
an
officer.
N
The
ability
to
even
recognize
the
race
of
the
driver,
also
in
nevada
vehicle
windows,
are
often
tended
and
further
keep
an
officer
from
recognizing
particulars
of
occupants
or
their
number
of
occupants.
With
regards
to
the
people
that
senator
harris
is
testifying,
it
appears
she
only
has
people
speaking
who
are
on
the
side,
which
appears
to
be
anti-police.
N
The
woman
who
testified
today,
a
member
of
the
fourth
trajectory
project,
lists
the
40
demands
by
families
united
for
justice.
Number
seven
on
this
list
is
to
abolish
unions,
the
lbpa
specifically
and
under
number
23,
the
resignation
of
sheriff
lombardo.
This
does
not
seem
fair.
The
statements
of
support
like
these,
the
committees
should
be
recognizing.
These
groups
are
their
testimony
as
anti-police.
At
best,
most
people
who
are
anti-police
seem
to
consistently
say
their
loved
one
or
family
or
friend,
nothing
wrong,
and
the
police
profiled
them
are.
N
We
still
for
the
families
left
behind
after
after
any
deadly
force,
encounter
with
police
testimony
for
god
to
mention
that
mr
williams
was
under
the
influence
of
a
controlled
substance.
Had
a
heart
attack
recently
just
finished
running
approximately
one
and
a
half
miles
when
he
was
being
chased
by
law
enforcement.
This
is
just
some
inflammatory
testimony
against
police
and
the
laws
enforcement
in
law
enforcement
community.
You
hear
officer.
Excuse
me,
you
hear
senator
harris
speak
of
nafso
and
npu
to
be
clear.
Both
groups
are
prominently
run
by
civilians
and
not
commissioned
officers.
N
Nevada
police
union
represents
a
russia
700
officer
and
that
almost
done
and
nasa's
largest
group
of
civilian
personnel
from
lvmpd
not
commissioned
officers.
These
two
groups
should
be
denounced
should
denounce
this
type
of
legislation.
As
I
know,
their
members
probably
aren't
supportive.
J
C
C-A-L-L-I-W-I-L-S-M-Sam
e-y
we'd
like
to
say
thank
senator
harris
for
including
the
city
of
reno
in
the
ongoing
conversations
on
this
bill
and
other
criminal
justice
reform
efforts.
We
appreciate
the
outreach
and
the
opportunity
to
take
part
in
these
important
conversations.
The
reno
police
department
has
an
early
warning
system
in
place.
We
find
it
a
valuable
tool
for
the
reasons
discussed
today
and
rpd
will
be
able
to
comply
with
the
provisions
set
forth
in
that
section.
C
Since
this
was
a
question
brought
up
during
the
hearing,
we
wanted
just
to
ensure
that
the
committee
had
this
information.
We
appreciate
the
bill
sponsor's
comments
that
additional
conversations
will
occur
related
to
the
traffic
reporting
section.
We
understand
the
policy
intent
here
and
believe
the
additional
discussion
will
help
work
through
some
of
the
logistical
nuances
in
the
language.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
this
information
today.
J
C
L-I-S-A-R-A-S-M-U-S-S-E-N,
testifying
on
behalf
of
myself
and
my
law
firm
today
in
neutral.
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I
lied
all
of
the
efforts
that
senator
harris
has
done
to
bring
this
bill
forth.
I
know
that
she
has
worked
with
many
many
in
the
community
to
get
this
bill
to
the
place
where
it
was.
The
only
reason
I'm
testifying
in
neutral
instead
of
in
support
is
because
the
provisions
on
qualified
immunity
were
removed,
and
I
thought
that
they
were
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
C
C
I
think
that
the
bill
is
necessary
because
it
gives
us
data
right.
We
can't
make
policy
decisions
without
data
data
is
how
we
make
smart
informed
decisions,
and
so
my
support
for
that
is
not
because
I'm
a
cop,
hater
and
probably
other
people
who
support
it-
are
not
cop
haters
either
it's
because
we
want
actual
information
so
that
we
can,
as
a
body
of
people
in
the
state
of
nevada,
make
good
informed
decisions
going
forward.
C
So
I
I
think
it's
great.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
efforts
of
senator
harris
on
this
bill
and
I
think
that
the
committee
should
support
it
and
I'm
sorry
to
hear
kind
of
some
of
the
resistance
from
law
enforcement
who
feel
attacked,
because
I
don't
think
that's
the
intent
of
the
legislation
at
all.
I
think
it's
a
good
bill.
My
only
hesitation
is,
I
think
it
could
go
farther.
I
think
it
could
have
addressed
qualified
immunity,
but
I
think
that
what's
there
is
a
good
start,
I
think
it's
a
good
starting
point.
J
C
Hello,
chair
scheibel
and
the
committee,
my
name
is
elizabeth
nabors.
I
am
the
forensic
director
for
the
division
of
public
and
behavioral
health,
and
I
am
here
today
representing
them.
I
would
just
like
to
thank
senator
harris
for
our
dialogue
with
her
and
wanted
to
share
that
in
light
of
the
amendments,
the
division
of
public
and
behavioral
health
will
be
removing
its
fiscal
notes
on
this
bill
in
its
entirety.
J
N
Good
afternoon,
chair
schaible
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
I
am
patrick
feil,
that's
p-a-t-r-I-c-k-f-I-l-e,
I'm
president
of
the
nevada,
open
government
coalition,
we're
testifying
as
neutral
on
sb
236.
Today,
we've
expressed
some
concerns
about
the
breadth
of
the
confidentiality
provisions
in
the
bill.
We're
confident
that
the
amendment
is
accepted.
It
will
ease
those
concerns.
So
thank
you
to
senator
harris
and
the
committee
for
your
work
on
this.
J
J
J
J
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much,
mr
kyle.
I
would
encourage
anybody
who
had
technical
difficulties
to
submit
their
testimony
in
writing
to
the
committee
and
with
that
that
does
conclude
our
hearing
on
sb
236.
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
sb
236.
before
we
move
to
our
last
item
on
the
agenda.
A
I
do
want
to
make
do
some
brief
housekeeping
and
remind
those
of
you
listening
and
that
here
in
senate
judiciary,
we
do
not
have
rules
about
where
you
can
testify
in
terms
of
mutual
support
or
opposition,
and
we
both
expect
and
trust
people
calling
in
to
use
their
judgment
to
align
themselves
with
the
position
that
best
fits
where
they
stand.
So,
if
you
want
to
pass
the
bill
testifying
support,
you
don't
want
us
to
pass.
The
bill
testify
opposition.
A
If
you
really
don't
care
testify
in
neutral,
and
with
that
said,
we
will
move
on
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comment
broadcast.
Do
we
have
anybody
wishing
to
give
public
comment.
J
J
J
J
Q
N-A-T-H-A-N-I-E-L-P-H-I-L-L-I-P-P-S,
I
had
a
few
brief
comments.
I
certainly
do
appreciate
senator
harris's
work
in
bringing
this
bill
to
the
floor
and
I'd
like
to
respond
to
a
couple
points
that
I've
been
raised
and
speak
for
my
heart
number
one.
We
already
know
that
bias
exists
in
the
system
of
policing
and
the
criminal
and
the
criminal
justice
system
at
large.
In
this
country.
Q
Q
So
what
are
two
facts
about
bias
that
we
unequivocally
know?
We
know
that
in
nevada
and
nationally,
black
people
are
killed
are
killed
at
two
times
the
rate
of
white
folks.
We
also
know
that
in
the
mountain
west,
which
includes
nevada
and
our
surrounding
states,
this
region
has
the
highest
rates
of
police,
killing
and
among
the
mountain
west
region,
it
is
actually
nevada
that
has
the
highest
rates
of
police
killing
per
capita
in
the
entire
country,
but
we
cannot
be
sidelined
or
distracted
by
the
spectacle
of
violence
that
is,
police
shootings.
Q
Violence
happens
and
occurs
in
all
aspects
of
policing.
When
a
police
officer
kills,
someone
is
the
most
spectacular
one,
so
we
should
not
be.
We
should
not
lose
sight
of
all
the
other
ways
that
police
can
impact
violence
upon
our
community.
It's
troubling
to
me
that
officers
would
not
be
held
accountable
for
the
bias
that
they
demonstrate.
Q
I
believe
those
measures
should
be
stronger
and
just
to
respond
to
some
of
the
comments
from
the
law
enforcement
members
that
were
kind
of
silly
and
superfluous
again
wanting
to
hold
agents
of
the
state
people
that
are
empowered
by
the
law
and
also
paid
by
public
tax
dollars
to
not
enact
violence
upon
other
people
is
not
anti-police.
Q
In
fact,
it's
anti-violence
and
police
violence
is
certainly
a
real
thing
and
sadly,
it's
indicative
of
the
culture,
the
incredible
culture
of
violence
in
american
society.
So
it's
no
wonder
we
live
nobody,
sure
it's
no
wonder
we
living
in
an
incredibly
violent,
racist
and
classic
society
that
we
would
see
that
violence
redirected
within
policing.
J
J
J
J
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
and
with
that,
I'm
just
confirming
the
scheduling
thing
and
I
do
also
actually,
while
I
wait
for
that
confirmation,
I
do
want
to
thank
again
our
presenters,
who
testified
before
us
today
and
presented
sb236.
A
We.
We
really
do
appreciate
you
being
here
and
taking
the
time
to
talk
to
us
today
and
we
appreciate
senator
harris
bringing
the
bill
and
everybody
who
participated
in
this
process.
As
always,
it
is
my
honor
to
chair
this
committee
and
I
get
to
do
it
again
tomorrow
at
1
pm,
but
until
that
time
we
are.